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| GAN900 | One heart for the brainstorm post. | 00:10 |
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| GAN900 | You guys suck | 00:10 |
| Dima202 | ? | 00:10 |
| pupnik_ | link pls? | 00:10 |
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| GAN900 | How am I ever going to catch up to Jaffa and his mwkn whoring at this rate? | 00:10 |
| GAN900 | http://maemo.org/community/council/brainstorming_maemo-org_2010/ | 00:11 |
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| pupnik_ | GAN900: my suggestion would be to delete unused stuff / stuff nobody wants to maintain | 00:13 |
| pupnik_ | i am getting kind of a crufty sense of things | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | pupnik_, yeah, I'd like to do that to most of GForge. | 00:14 |
| wazd | just rename maemo.org into meego.org and give it up | 00:14 |
| satmd | pointless comment | 00:14 |
| satmd | I do one, too | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | pupnik_, I keep planning to have a content deletion meeting. | 00:14 |
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| pupnik_ | please message me for that :) | 00:15 |
| * pupnik_ will have duct-tape on the quick-draw for the whiners | 00:16 | |
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| FIQ | rootfs 227.9M 217.0M 6.7M 97% / | 00:40 |
| FIQ | sounds good | 00:40 |
| FIQ | should go and uninstall things i guess | 00:41 |
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| MohammadAG_ | ubi0:rootfs 232868 192808 35780 84% / | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | ha! | 00:41 |
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| FIQ | meh | 00:41 |
| FIQ | hmm | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | SDK repo enabled btw | 00:42 |
| FIQ | ;_; | 00:42 |
| FIQ | wait, what | 00:42 |
| FIQ | SDK repo enabled on phone? | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | yes... | 00:42 |
| FIQ | wouldn't that break things? | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | which is why i said ha! | 00:43 |
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| MohammadAG_ | it would | 00:43 |
| FIQ | anyway | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | actually | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | it should | 00:43 |
| FIQ | wouldn't it be possible to repartioning like 256 megs in the swap to the root? | 00:43 |
| FIQ | it's small and i never use 512meg swap anyway | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | 768* | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | move root to the eMMC, suffer with a slow system | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | by move i don't mean using mv and ln -s | 00:44 |
| FIQ | hmm | 00:44 |
| N900evil | / is only 256m | 00:44 |
| FIQ | lol | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | OneNAND is 256 | 00:44 |
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| MohammadAG_ | move / to the eMMC, problem of low space solved | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | problem of slownessness created | 00:45 |
| FIQ | my point is - shrinking swap to 0.5G and enlarging rootfs to 0.5G | 00:45 |
| FIQ | both of them sits on NAND iirc? | 00:45 |
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| MohammadAG_ | no | 00:45 |
| FIQ | hmm, swap is on MMC? | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | Swap is also on the eMMC | 00:45 |
| FIQ | ok | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | sadly | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | if it wasn't on the eMMC wouldn't it be ram? | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | also imo | 00:46 |
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| MohammadAG_ | moving swap to the onenand might compensate for the slowness of running the device of the eMMC | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | off* | 00:46 |
| johnsq | not using memory eater and using native application would also speed the things up. | 00:47 |
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| FIQ | how fast is emmc compared to sd? | 00:49 |
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| mikhas | johnsq, =) | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | about the same speed | 00:50 |
| FIQ | ok | 00:50 |
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| GAN900 | If only we had an Intel X18-M | 00:51 |
| GAN900 | Then all of our problems would be solved. | 00:51 |
| valdyn | whole io is slow in my sporadic tests, where the mmc is not even a bottlneck | 00:51 |
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| FIQ | a what? | 00:53 |
| valdyn | bottleneck | 00:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | For all the devices - it's nonlinear write that is th enasty case. | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | how bad this is varies. | 00:55 |
| valdyn | but for the nand the n900 could be doing execute in place? I wouldnt know | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | valdyn: no | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | you can't do XIP with nand - generally | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | As it's got built-in errors. | 00:55 |
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| valdyn | I see | 00:57 |
| FIQ | hmm | 00:58 |
| FIQ | i'm not a linux veteran even if i have some experience with it | 00:58 |
| FIQ | but this doesn't make sense for me | 00:59 |
| FIQ | rootfs 227.9M 217.7M 6.0M 97% / | 00:59 |
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| FIQ | 227.9-217.7 != 6.0 | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | FIQ: 5% for / | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | for root | 00:59 |
| valdyn | FIQ: reserved space for root only | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | /root* | 01:00 |
| FIQ | ok | 01:00 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:01 |
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| FIQ | nokia should let users drop into a console (but still enable possibility to flash) drop into a console on errors. D: | 01:04 |
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| FIQ | iirc it just shows a nokia logo | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG_ | you can drop into a console | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG_ | compile a custom kernel | 01:04 |
| FIQ | lol dublette | 01:04 |
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| MohammadAG_ | not really | 01:05 |
| FIQ | (yay my english) | 01:05 |
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| FIQ | i meant "drop into a console (text) drop into a console" | 01:05 |
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| FIQ | ^ that one | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | there is a way to drop into a script if you start with keyboard open | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | then just do that | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | script not console | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | script that opens console | 01:06 |
| FIQ | well, that's the thing bootmenu use i guess | 01:06 |
| FIQ | :p | 01:06 |
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| FIQ | oooo massjoins | 01:07 |
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| FIQ | eh | 01:07 |
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| FIQ | were it a netsplit before? | 01:07 |
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| djkrikke | Hi guys, this week I always cancelled my phone calls by accident. Every time a person calls me, I need to get my n900 out of the case it is in, and by taking it out, I touch the red "reject" button _very_ often | 01:27 |
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| djkrikke | isn't there any way to disable this button for "soft" touches, or just make something to slide to unlock? | 01:27 |
| thunderfest__ | there is a hardware slide lock | 01:29 |
| djkrikke | thunderfest__: what do you mean? | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | what soft touches | 01:30 |
| lcuk | djkrikke, right hand side of device is a pysical hard slide lock | 01:30 |
| djkrikke | lcuk: I know | 01:30 |
| thunderfest__ | thats what I'm talking about | 01:30 |
| lcuk | ahh missed first line | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | he was clearing up what thunderfest__ said | 01:30 |
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| djkrikke | I have a small bag to put my n900 in, and when I open the take the bag and open it to get the phone out, I press answer/reject almost every time. That's really annoying | 01:31 |
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| djkrikke | seems like a lot of people are having these problems on the forum | 01:32 |
| djkrikke | " Same here - even in a pouch in my pocket I often end up cancelling a call while getting it out my pocket. " | 01:32 |
| Kegetys | there's a bug on that and brainstorm for slide buttons for answer etc. but afaik nokia has said they are idiots and aren't going to change it | 01:32 |
| Viliny_on_N900 | libqt4-core 462... where do you get that? | 01:33 |
| djkrikke | so there really isn't any solution already? | 01:33 |
| Kegetys | not that I know of, and the related components probably are closed source | 01:34 |
| djkrikke | reason is I'm really getting crazy from this dropped calls, I do have this phone as a mobile internet device, but as i can't answer calls, it's useless | 01:34 |
| lcuk | find the bugs.maemo.org bug relating to this issue if filed | 01:35 |
| Kegetys | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/actions_when_device_is_locked_and_a_event_like_aleart-alarm_or_call_happens/ | 01:35 |
| Kegetys | you can vote for it there | 01:35 |
| Arkenoi | btw why if you plug microUSB cable into any "USB charger", it does *not* charge? | 01:35 |
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| Viliny_on_N900 | anyone have a clue about libqt? really starting to find lots of apps depending on it | 01:35 |
| thunderfest | oh I see when a call comes in the screen unlocks even if it is hardware locked...sorry I just got my n900 yesterday and I'm still getting used to it | 01:35 |
| djkrikke | thunderfest: no problem, that's the case indeed | 01:35 |
| KMFDM | Viliny_on_N900, they are compiled for PR1.2 you ahve tow ait until its release | 01:36 |
| Kegetys | its quite silly to rely on the proximity sensor alone, in my winter coat when the phone is laying on its back in the pocket the proximity sensor doesnt trigger and I rejected/answered the call every time I poked my hand in the pocket | 01:36 |
| Viliny_on_N900 | kmfdm ok thank you... damn :/ | 01:37 |
| Shapeshifter | Viliny_on_N900: there's a workaround. you can enable the SDK repo, install/update the new qt, then *disable* the SDK repo. don't update anything else or you'll break everything. | 01:37 |
| djkrikke | Kegetys: it is a littlebit stupid there is no other solution at this moment indeed | 01:37 |
| Viliny_on_N900 | rather not risk it then :p | 01:37 |
| Shapeshifter | Viliny_on_N900: it's no problem if you only install qt | 01:37 |
| Viliny_on_N900 | ok :) | 01:38 |
| Viliny_on_N900 | details on repo? | 01:38 |
| Viliny_on_N900 | sdk free armel? | 01:39 |
| Shapeshifter | Viliny_on_N900: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=654370&postcount=1 | 01:40 |
| Shapeshifter | Viliny_on_N900: read that carefully | 01:40 |
| thunderfest | I am just testing things out and I am surprised to find that most of my binaries compiled under the maemo 4 SDK run fine on my n900 without recompile to maemo 5 sdk | 01:41 |
| djkrikke | there is a guy on whirlpool forums telling there is a program to modify the behavior of the calls answering, delaying it or something, does such program exist? | 01:41 |
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| ds3 | 7 | 01:47 |
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| Termana | good morning | 01:52 |
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| thunderfest | <Termana> its well into the evening for me but good day to you | 01:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | ~ugt | 01:59 |
| infobot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 01:59 |
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| thunderfest | shapesshifter: well I'm sorry for sharing that its dinner time around these parts. I won't do it again. | 02:02 |
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| thunderfest | 2.5G is not as slow as I thought it would be | 02:15 |
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| lcuk | thunderfest, for irc its pretty unnoticable | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you type really fast. | 02:16 |
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| lcuk | sure SpeedEvil but thats rarely an issue | 02:17 |
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| lcuk | unless you are GAN900 and can type at 900wps | 02:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yes, but not everyone can do 84 finger typing. :) | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | only needs 38 ;) | 02:18 |
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| kdubois | is there a glade version that supports hildon widgets? | 02:50 |
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| tripzero | doubtfully | 02:55 |
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| GAN900 | Trying to login to Midgard | 02:57 |
| GAN900 | to fix the stupid formatting issue and it wont freaking login | 02:57 |
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| GAN900 | How is it that every time we add capacity it helps for about a week and then falls back to pre-upgrade speeds. | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | People use it more? | 03:02 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, dunno, but I'm so tired of waiting minutes at a time for things to submit. | 03:04 |
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| b-man | apparently there is a WebGL-enabled version of phonegap on github :) | 03:08 |
| b-man | for maemo | 03:08 |
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| pigeon | what's the diff between MSN and MSN(Haze)? | 03:19 |
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| iluminator101 | how do i access video folder in mameo terminal | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ~/MyDocs/.videos | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | or .video | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't remember | 03:32 |
| iluminator101 | .videos thanks Speed* | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 03:34 |
| iluminator101 | i run mplayer .wmv files but no sound | 03:37 |
| iluminator101 | why | 03:37 |
| iluminator101 | is there videolan player for maemo | 03:38 |
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| GAN900 | $50 for a Pre | 04:12 |
| pigeon | $50? | 04:13 |
| GAN900 | Tempting if AT&T weren't going to force me into a PDA dataplan | 04:13 |
| GAN900 | Cool just to have to play with for that price. | 04:13 |
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| GAN900 | pigeon, USD | 04:14 |
| pigeon | GAN900: yeah, still... $50 one off? | 04:14 |
| pigeon | or you mean per month | 04:14 |
| GAN900 | With a 2-year contract | 04:14 |
| pigeon | ah | 04:14 |
| pigeon | n900 was just launched officially in au, there are similar plans like that too. | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | booohhhhh | 04:23 |
| pigeon | can you get the n900 to show the current mobile cell tower name like how my old phone does? | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | cell towers aka BTS have no individual name | 04:26 |
| pigeon | hmm, i probably don't know what's the correct term for it, but like i can set my old phone to show the cell info or something like that. | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so whatever it was your old phone was showing, it's been nonsense | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | cell info is like: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html | 04:28 |
| pigeon | it's some sort of broadcast message i think, something about the code 501 or 550 | 04:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or it had some database | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | pigeon: whre are you? | 04:29 |
| pigeon | SpeedEvil: australia | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | german carrier O2 sends BTS coordinates on BCC#201 | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 04:29 |
| Termana | I think what pigeon is talking about, is on some old phones you can display your connected cell tower's location | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Can we get broadcast messages? | 04:29 |
| pigeon | Termana: yeah | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: no, you can't | 04:30 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, yes, you can. Comes to Australia and use an old Nokia phone | 04:30 |
| Termana | Come* | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for very special sim-app using O2 gauss-wegener coords | 04:30 |
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| pigeon | ok, from my old nokia phone, it's under the manual "Info service" | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: don't piss me with what voodoo is inside a well understood protocol like GSM, please | 04:31 |
| pigeon | and I had to set the "topic" to 501 | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Cell Broadcast Channel 501, not far away from German O2 201 | 04:32 |
| pigeon | so... is that possible on the n900? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | read http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | pigeon: I tried to push kontorri to make that happen | 04:33 |
| pigeon | right, ok. | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (read out neighbour cells, associate to a particular BTS, get TA...) | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Does associate to particular cell not break standards? | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | remembering there is a pending answer | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really, SpeedEvil | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ME is free to try to associate to whatever it likes | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | though there are quite precise criteria (C1, C2) when to do | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | but BTS won't notice | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you disobey | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.htmlsee | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | opps | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.htmlsee | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrrrrrr | 04:37 |
| pigeon | :) | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh, and it's 221, not 201 | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | (cell broadcast channel) | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hope you enjoy this post, it was one of my more dense ones, and I actually consider it quite brilliant still, after all that time | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and the invitation for a beer still open | 04:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | make that a 20-bottles container | 04:59 |
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| wall[e] | hi anyone is using russian phonetic keymap? | 05:02 |
| wall[e] | is anyone* | 05:03 |
| timeless_mbp | As opposed to? | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | dvorcak | 05:04 |
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| wall[e] | i think its an xkbmap that allow keying russian chars | 05:06 |
| wall[e] | in phonetic way coz n900 doesnt have russian keyboard screen hw | 05:07 |
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| wall[e] | cyrillic alphabets? | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though this is dated: Sun Jun 1 01:30:32 CEST 2008 | 05:10 |
| timeless_mbp | wall[e]: sorry, i'm terribly confused | 05:11 |
| timeless_mbp | you can buy an n900 w/ a russian keymat | 05:11 |
| wall[e] | i wonder if i could, for example, pressing ggg to travel around a set of characters | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | not without a very special kbd hw driver | 05:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and there's also the ability to get a cyrillic on screen keyboard | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | nnnnnn88888888888 | 05:12 |
| wall[e] | i guess i need scim ? | 05:12 |
| timeless_mbp | wall[e]: you haven't really expressed an actual problem | 05:12 |
| pigeon | speaking of scim, does anyone know the diff between scim and mscim? and which one should be used? | 05:12 |
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| wall[e] | yeh like ., thing | 05:12 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh it's 5am and i skipped a sleep cycle | 05:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | fwiw, that nonsense tends to break browsers badly | 05:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | and i'd suggest you not bother if you want your browser to behave | 05:13 |
| wall[e] | timeless try to input my language | 05:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | wall[e]: which is? | 05:13 |
| wall[e] | with hw key | 05:13 |
| wall[e] | thai | 05:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | sorry | 05:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the last 20 lines were about russian | 05:14 |
| timeless_mbp | where did thai come from? | 05:14 |
| pigeon | i've been using mscim, works pretty well, but then i want to use it with anthy, which there's only scim-anthy in the repo, but no mscim-anthy. | 05:14 |
| wall[e] | timeless i am trying to understand how russian phonetic keymap work | 05:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | wall[e]: well, xkeyboard mappings are generally open source | 05:15 |
| wall[e] | so i may base on it to implement a thai version | 05:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and in theory easy to read | 05:15 |
| wall[e] | i wonder if russian kb can traverse the keys like in vkbd | 05:16 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 05:16 |
| wall[e] | any use case of that | 05:16 |
| timeless_mbp | you realize it's trivial to switch your hardware layout to russian to test it, right? | 05:16 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't have to go out and buy another device or keymat | 05:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | just open control panel, text input, switch the hardware layout to russian | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | start playing. | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | no reboot required! | 05:17 |
| wall[e] | right but i dont know russian | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | so what? | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't know thai | 05:17 |
| wall[e] | i look for people who may know | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | that doesn't mean i couldn't beat the keyboard and observe the results | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | the n900 keyboard is not rocket science | 05:18 |
| wall[e] | i dont know if i can beat eg extra combination | 05:18 |
| timeless_mbp | (and yes, yesterday i spent 2 hours playing w/ keyboards) | 05:18 |
| timeless_mbp | wall[e]: so try | 05:18 |
| timeless_mbp | there really aren't that many things to poke | 05:18 |
| wall[e] | abc to produce a char ie | 05:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it'll be fairly obvious | 05:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but no, russian is not particularly special | 05:19 |
| wall[e] | i see | 05:19 |
| timeless_mbp | about the only neat thing it has is a way to switch to latin | 05:19 |
| timeless_mbp | but really | 05:19 |
| wall[e] | i guss ill go with scim solution then | 05:19 |
| timeless_mbp | stop wasting my time | 05:19 |
| timeless_mbp | go switch | 05:19 |
| timeless_mbp | try it | 05:19 |
| timeless_mbp | if you can't figure out how the keyboard behaves in 10 minutes, sleep on it | 05:19 |
| wall[e] | i need combination | 05:19 |
| wall[e] | cant fit thai in n900 kb | 05:20 |
| timeless_mbp | the keyboard isn't very chord-able | 05:20 |
| timeless_mbp | you can't fit chinese or japanese either | 05:20 |
| timeless_mbp | but that doesn't mean you need chords | 05:20 |
| timeless_mbp | you could just use a virtual keyboard | 05:20 |
| wall[e] | did i say scim? | 05:20 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 05:20 |
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| wall[e] | good | 05:20 |
| timeless_mbp | and i seem to recall indicating that scim is buggy | 05:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and bad for apps :) | 05:21 |
| wall[e] | ok :-) | 05:21 |
| wall[e] | hk version isnt stable? | 05:21 |
| wall[e] | mscim | 05:21 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 05:21 | |
| timeless_mbp | my experience is as a browser dev | 05:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i get to read crash reports from everything | 05:22 |
| timeless_mbp | and scim for a while produced quite a few crashes | 05:22 |
| timeless_mbp | it's possible it's less buggy now than the last time i looked (i sure hope so) | 05:22 |
| wall[e] | aha | 05:22 |
| wall[e] | hopefully | 05:22 |
| wall[e] | better try | 05:22 |
| timeless_mbp | but i wasn't holding my breath then, and i won't now :) | 05:23 |
| wall[e] | coz it will crash somebody else phone not mine | 05:23 |
| wall[e] | since i dont use thai | 05:23 |
| wall[e] | better fix modest to read thai first ughh too mny job | 05:24 |
| wall[e] | no money | 05:24 |
| timeless_mbp | does modest really not handle thai? | 05:25 |
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| wall[e] | it does but when no encoding provided | 05:25 |
| wall[e] | it... | 05:25 |
| timeless_mbp | bah | 05:25 |
| timeless_mbp | tell your friends to fix their mua's to not suck/violate standards | 05:26 |
| wall[e] | converts the whole line into (?) | 05:26 |
| wall[e] | google isnt my friend too bad | 05:26 |
| timeless_mbp | does modest properly specify an encoding if you compose thai text? | 05:26 |
| wall[e] | and they ignore my requests | 05:26 |
| wall[e] | yes | 05:26 |
| wall[e] | composing is perfect | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt_, what are you looking at me for? :P | 05:28 |
| wall[e] | i'll make a special version of modest, this hardly get into mainstream due to non srandard | 05:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: boooh | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey-ho | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather classic construction, i'd say"what for are you looking at me" | 05:33 |
| leino | hi all.. trying to ssh into my n900 via my home network.. I get the password prompt, but then it strikes me that I have no idea what the default password is.. for both "root" and "user" | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then that's probably my poor English | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, "what are you looking at me for?" is a rather American thing. | 05:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | leino: user doesn't allow logins by default | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, your format is more technically accurate. | 05:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and root should have asked you to set a password when you installed openssh-server | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | If awkward is normal speech. | 05:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | leino: use an ssh key and disable password based auth | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-p | 05:35 |
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| leino | I just set my root pw using passwd.. so I should know it now :p | 05:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never learned anything beyond tex english | 05:36 |
| leino | timeless_mbp: still cant ssh into it though... so I guess I should try the ssh key thing | 05:37 |
| leino | timeless_mbp: how do I do that, more explicitly? | 05:37 |
| timeless_mbp | ssh-keygen -t dsa | 05:37 |
| timeless_mbp | ssh-keygen -t rsa | 05:37 |
| timeless_mbp | cat .id*.pub >> authorized_keys | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckit, if password fails... | 05:37 |
| timeless_mbp | copy authorized_keys from ~/.ssh/ to your n900's /home/user/.ssh/ | 05:38 |
| timeless_mbp | (the id* files live in ~/.ssh/ so you of course want to cd there before you cat ...) | 05:38 |
| leino | ok, and I do the first two commands on wherever I want to ssh into my n900 from? | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | leino: btw there's no default pw | 05:39 |
| wall[e] | is it true no flash 10.1 for n900? | 05:39 |
| wall[e] | i saw qole in forum said | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, it's a rebus | 05:39 |
| wall[e] | i see | 05:40 |
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| wall[e] | was that for me? | 05:40 |
| * wall[e] think rebus has something to do with pw | 05:41 | |
| timeless_mbp | leino: sure | 05:41 |
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| leino | timeless_mbp: are you sure "cat .id*.pub >> authorized_keys" is right? | 05:43 |
| leino | seems strange as I have no files in ~/.ssh starting with .id | 05:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | leino: err id*.pub not . | 05:44 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry | 05:44 |
| timeless_mbp | it's really late :) | 05:44 |
| leino | ok that makes sense | 05:44 |
| wall[e] | any gui agent? | 05:45 |
| wall[e] | worth making one? | 05:45 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 05:45 |
| wall[e] | or already has one? | 05:45 |
| wall[e] | ssh | 05:45 |
| timeless_mbp | why? | 05:45 |
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| wall[e] | i have passphrase | 05:46 |
| wall[e] | so bad guys won't steal and device and break into my mainframe for 100TB of pornos | 05:47 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/view/gnome-keyring/ | 05:47 |
| wall[e] | thanks! | 05:47 |
| timeless_mbp | wall[e]: if i'm a bad guy | 05:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd take your device, install a keylogger | 05:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | and put it back where i found it | 05:47 |
| timeless_mbp | once you've used your password to log in, i'll have it | 05:48 |
| wall[e] | i reflash everytime it is out of my sight! | 05:48 |
| timeless_mbp | really? | 05:48 |
| wall[e] | no | 05:48 |
| timeless_mbp | seems highly unlikely | 05:48 |
| wall[e] | but i always secure the devie | 05:48 |
| wall[e] | vice | 05:48 |
| yuizy_ | my n900 was stolen once | 05:49 |
| wall[e] | so bad guys must break into emmc i guess | 05:49 |
| yuizy_ | but i caught him after running a while | 05:49 |
| wall[e] | cool | 05:49 |
| yuizy_ | he dropped his own phone so i took it and he had to come back | 05:49 |
| wall[e] | have his photo? | 05:49 |
| yuizy_ | nah | 05:49 |
| yuizy_ | i don't want to see him ever again so i just forgot the situtation | 05:50 |
| wall[e] | i see | 05:50 |
| yuizy_ | it was april fools day | 05:50 |
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| wall[e] | did he say, it was april foods day? | 05:51 |
| wall[e] | er fools | 05:51 |
| yuizy_ | nope :D | 05:51 |
| yuizy_ | it was fun telling friends about it | 05:51 |
| yuizy_ | they kept telling me to quit joking | 05:51 |
| wall[e] | heh | 05:51 |
| pigeon | yuizy_: you got it back? | 05:52 |
| yuizy_ | yeah | 05:52 |
| wall[e] | so you must try telling them for 2 days then | 05:52 |
| yuizy_ | once i got his phone he had to give that back to me | 05:52 |
| wall[e] | what was his phone? | 05:52 |
| yuizy_ | some crappy old nokia | 05:53 |
| yuizy_ | but that had all his information | 05:53 |
| wall[e] | but with his number | 05:53 |
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| wall[e] | i see | 05:53 |
| yuizy_ | yeah | 05:53 |
| wall[e] | here you can have anonymous number | 05:53 |
| yuizy_ | some woman came to help me after he came back | 05:53 |
| wall[e] | we use it to trigger bombs | 05:54 |
| yuizy_ | and he actually said that i stole his phone | 05:54 |
| yuizy_ | which made no sense at all :D | 05:54 |
| wall[e] | lol | 05:54 |
| yuizy_ | sure i stole his old phone and gave him n900 | 05:54 |
| wall[e] | i know people were pissed of n900 but hopefully not that much | 05:55 |
| yuizy_ | haha | 05:55 |
| yuizy_ | i just hope that would have happened when my usb was broken | 05:55 |
| yuizy_ | have fun using that phone for 30 mins | 05:55 |
| wall[e] | got mine in april | 05:56 |
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| wall[e] | my 3rd mobile after ericsson t68 | 05:56 |
| wall[e] | i missed that phone, really love its design | 05:56 |
| leino | timeless_mbp: I still get a pw prompt when I try to ssh into my n900 | 05:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | leino: Check your permissions on your .ssh directory, and the files therein. | 06:00 |
| leino | on the n900? | 06:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 06:00 |
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| leino | ok, authorized_keys is owned by 'user' and has permission -rw-r--r-- | 06:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it should be 600 | 06:01 |
| wall[e] | turn off og-r | 06:01 |
| leino | and there is a known_hosts with the same thing | 06:01 |
| leino | wall[e]: pardon? | 06:02 |
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| wall[e] | chmod og-r * | 06:02 |
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| wall[e] | but | 06:03 |
| leino | ok, now the files have -rw------- | 06:03 |
| wall[e] | i think it's safe | 06:03 |
| wall[e] | my authorized_keys works fine with og+r | 06:03 |
| wall[e] | strange | 06:03 |
| * wall[e] tests | 06:03 | |
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| wall[e] | mine works just fine | 06:05 |
| wall[e] | ls -ld .ssh | 06:05 |
| leino | I still think it's strange that I can't ssh into it using a password... | 06:06 |
| leino | ok Ill try that | 06:06 |
| wall[e] | did you set password for user? | 06:06 |
| leino | drwx------ 2 leino leino 4096 2010-05-21 04:43 .ssh | 06:06 |
| leino | wall[e]: yeah | 06:06 |
| wall[e] | eh | 06:06 |
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| wall[e] | this should be .ssh on n900 | 06:06 |
| leino | oh, that was on my laptop :) | 06:06 |
| leino | sorry brb | 06:06 |
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| wall[e] | hehe | 06:07 |
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| leino | on my n900, ls -ld .ssh gives drwx------ | 06:07 |
| leino | owned by user | 06:07 |
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| wall[e] | ls -l .ssh then? | 06:08 |
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| leino | that lists what I wrote before: the contents of ~/.ssh | 06:09 |
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| leino | -rw------- for both authorized_keys and known_hosts | 06:10 |
| wall[e] | i have them all og+r | 06:10 |
| leino | this thing: http://rcsg-gsir.imsb-dsgi.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/documents/internet/node31.html, leads me to believe I should edit some .rhosts file | 06:10 |
| wall[e] | but shouldn't be a problem | 06:11 |
| wall[e] | i don't need any .rhosts | 06:11 |
| wall[e] | if you have the key, you should get in | 06:11 |
| wall[e] | make no sense editing on the client side.. | 06:11 |
| wall[e] | scp .ssh/id_rsa.pub user@n900:.ssh/authorized_keys | 06:13 |
| wall[e] | assume you didn't have any existing authorized key | 06:13 |
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| leino | btw, the passphrase I entered when I created the keys, what was that? | 06:13 |
| leino | was that supposed to be the password for my user at my n900? | 06:13 |
| wall[e] | it will ask you every time | 06:13 |
| wall[e] | it was for locking the key and agent will remember that | 06:14 |
| wall[e] | if you don't want to enter anything | 06:14 |
| wall[e] | you should have them blank | 06:14 |
| wall[e] | just enter pass them | 06:14 |
| leino | ok, I entered something | 06:14 |
| leino | is that a prob? | 06:14 |
| wall[e] | it will ask you everytime you use the key to log into your n900 | 06:15 |
| stuck | anybody think they can help a complete noob? | 06:15 |
| leino | but I am supposed to log in like "ssh user@[ip of my n900]" ? | 06:15 |
| wall[e] | but you can use ssh-agent to remember the key entered for each section. | 06:15 |
| wall[e] | yes, after entering passphase | 06:16 |
| wall[e] | phrase | 06:16 |
| wall[e] | howevertospellthat | 06:16 |
| leino | after entering passphrase? what do you mean, I dont get a pw prompt until after I type that | 06:16 |
| wall[e] | you don't even have to enter passphrase | 06:17 |
| wall[e] | just enter pass it | 06:17 |
| wall[e] | it will ask for password of your user@n900 | 06:17 |
| wall[e] | if you enter the correct passphrase and it is the authorized key, you don't need to enter password of your user@n900 | 06:18 |
| leino | damnation | 06:18 |
| leino | it doesnt work | 06:18 |
| wall[e] | regenerate the key | 06:18 |
| wall[e] | rm .ssh/id_* | 06:19 |
| wall[e] | ssh-keygen | 06:19 |
| wall[e] | scp .ssh/id_rsa.pub user@n900IP:.ssh/authorized_keys | 06:19 |
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| leino | ok, and this time I dont enter any passphrase when I generate the keys? | 06:20 |
| wall[e] | yes | 06:20 |
| wall[e] | dont enter | 06:20 |
| leino | ok :) | 06:20 |
| wall[e] | or should i say no, don't enter? | 06:20 |
| * wall[e] isn't a native english speaker | 06:21 | |
| leino | *is not either | 06:21 |
| leino | is also not very good at irc, it turns out | 06:21 |
| wall[e] | :) | 06:21 |
| * stuck laughs at your misfortune | 06:21 | |
| stuck | jks | 06:22 |
| wall[e] | they don't like abbr, i think :) | 06:22 |
| leino | the scp business didnt work, obviously | 06:22 |
| wall[e] | you can't login as well? | 06:22 |
| leino | yeah | 06:23 |
| wall[e] | is that you can or can't lol | 06:23 |
| leino | Ill have to mount it as a usb device | 06:23 |
| wall[e] | oh | 06:23 |
| leino | I cant login | 06:23 |
| wall[e] | but can you ssh as root? | 06:23 |
| wall[e] | ssh root@n900IP | 06:23 |
| leino | laptop->n900 I cant ssh, which is what all this is about | 06:23 |
| wall[e] | strange | 06:24 |
| leino | right? | 06:24 |
| wall[e] | i didn't know you can't even login | 06:24 |
| leino | isnt that what we are trying to accomplish in the first place? | 06:24 |
| wall[e] | can you telnet n900IP 22 ? | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | wall[e]: ssh-copy-id ftw | 06:25 |
| wall[e] | got SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6.maemo5 ? | 06:25 |
| wall[e] | luke-jr, thanks :) | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | and why are you advising bad security practices? :/ | 06:25 |
| wall[e] | luke-jr, i wasn't clear why it wasn't working | 06:26 |
| leino | I get connection refused | 06:26 |
| leino | when I try to telnet into it | 06:26 |
| wall[e] | leino, now that's the problem | 06:26 |
| leino | ok.. | 06:26 |
| talonz | leino are u on windows ? | 06:27 |
| leino | nope, debian | 06:27 |
| wall[e] | on n900 can you, telnet localhost 22 ? | 06:27 |
| wall[e] | oh wait | 06:27 |
| wall[e] | n900 doesn't have telnet | 06:27 |
| wall[e] | apt-get install nmap | 06:27 |
| leino | allready have it :) | 06:27 |
| wall[e] | good :) | 06:27 |
| leino | Ill nmap that sucker | 06:27 |
| wall[e] | ok | 06:28 |
| leino | PORT STATE SERVICE | 06:28 |
| leino | 22/tcp open ssh | 06:28 |
| leino | 111/tcp open rpcbind | 06:28 |
| wall[e] | ncat localhost 22 | 06:29 |
| leino | ncat? | 06:30 |
| wall[e] | yeh | 06:30 |
| leino | cant apt-get it | 06:30 |
| wall[e] | bundled with nmap | 06:30 |
| leino | I dont seem to have it | 06:31 |
| wall[e] | dpkg -S /usr/bin/ncat | 06:31 |
| wall[e] | nmap: /usr/bin/ncat | 06:31 |
| wall[e] | mine nmap is 5.00-2 | 06:31 |
| leino | 4.62 over here | 06:33 |
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| leino | ok, I just copied the generated id_rsa.pub to my ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on my n900... still doesnt work | 06:34 |
| wall[e] | it wouldn't work since you can't even connect to its port 22 | 06:35 |
| leino | ok.. | 06:35 |
| wall[e] | you shouldn't be in pc suite mode by any chance? | 06:35 |
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| leino | "pc suite mode"? | 06:35 |
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| wall[e] | when you connect to the pc with usb, it will ask you for mode | 06:35 |
| leino | ok | 06:36 |
| wall[e] | now both should connect through wireless right? | 06:36 |
| leino | nah, I was in "storage device mode" or whatever | 06:36 |
| wall[e] | storage mode is ok | 06:36 |
| leino | but I disconnected when I finished moving files | 06:36 |
| wall[e] | shouldn't be a problem | 06:36 |
| wall[e] | can you ping your n900 from pc? | 06:37 |
| yuizy_ | do you have the ssh server installed? :P | 06:37 |
| wall[e] | and ncat should be done on n900 btw | 06:37 |
| leino | ping works great | 06:37 |
| wall[e] | good question! | 06:37 |
| yuizy_ | all the time spent :D | 06:37 |
| wall[e] | :D | 06:37 |
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| leino | I wouldnt get the pw prompt if I didnt have the server installed, right? | 06:38 |
| wall[e] | you can't telnet to its port 22 and you have pw prompt? | 06:38 |
| wall[e] | was that passphrase key prompt? | 06:38 |
| wall[e] | <leino> PORT STATE SERVICE | 06:39 |
| wall[e] | <leino> 22/tcp open ssh | 06:39 |
| wall[e] | <leino> 111/tcp open rpcbind | 06:39 |
| wall[e] | what's the result of this btw? | 06:39 |
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| wall[e] | nmap localhost on n900? | 06:39 |
| leino | when I do "ssh user@n900" I get the password prompt | 06:39 |
| wall[e] | or on your own machine? | 06:40 |
| leino | but the password is always incorrect | 06:40 |
| leino | even tho its totally correct | 06:40 |
| wall[e] | leino, is the ip correct? | 06:40 |
| talonz | leino, try root@n900 and then the password | 06:40 |
| wall[e] | when you telnet from your machine to n900 ip 22 | 06:40 |
| leino | yeah | 06:40 |
| cehteh | tried 'root' instead 'user' ? | 06:40 |
| wall[e] | you should get ssh | 06:41 |
| leino | wall[e]: didnt you just say the n900 didnt have telnet? | 06:41 |
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| wall[e] | leino, your machine | 06:41 |
| leino | cehteh: yeah | 06:41 |
| wall[e] | telnet from your machine | 06:41 |
| wall[e] | to n900 | 06:41 |
| leino | Ive done that | 06:41 |
| wall[e] | n900 doesn't have telnet port open, but you can telnet to port 22 | 06:41 |
| wall[e] | what prompt you get? | 06:41 |
| leino | tried rather | 06:41 |
| * cehteh suggests not to use passwords anyways | 06:41 | |
| wall[e] | or just refused? | 06:41 |
| leino | connection refused | 06:42 |
| wall[e] | then i don't think you can ssh to it at all | 06:42 |
| wall[e] | or some virus infected your ssh and log for password? | 06:42 |
| wall[e] | is that possible? | 06:42 |
| talonz | nope | 06:43 |
| talonz | ssh -l root n900ip should just work | 06:44 |
| wall[e] | how that work he can't even telnet n900ip 22 | 06:44 |
| wall[e] | and a doubt that ssh root@n900ip actually gave a prompt, what the prompt looks like can you copy and paste? | 06:46 |
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| wall[e] | (@leino) | 06:46 |
| talonz | if he is getting connection refused then maybe nano /etc/hosts.allow and add sshd: ALL then restart sshd server by /etc/init.d/sshd restart | 06:47 |
| leino | leino@veriha:~$ ssh user@192.168.1.3 | 06:47 |
| leino | user@192.168.1.3's password: | 06:47 |
| leino | Permission denied (password,publickey). | 06:47 |
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| wall[e] | well it looks right | 06:47 |
| talonz | use root@192.168.1.3 instead leino | 06:47 |
| talonz | then the same password | 06:48 |
| leino | leino@veriha:~$ ssh root@192.168.1.3 | 06:48 |
| leino | root@192.168.1.3's password: | 06:48 |
| leino | Permission denied, please try again. | 06:48 |
| leino | root@192.168.1.3's password: | 06:48 |
| leino | Permission denied, please try again. | 06:48 |
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| leino | root@192.168.1.3's password: | 06:48 |
| leino | Permission denied (password,publickey). | 06:48 |
| wall[e] | i wonder why you got the prompt | 06:49 |
| wall[e] | ncat 192.168.1.3 22 ? | 06:49 |
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| wall[e] | i'd | 06:50 |
| Cabletwitch | Ahh, good morning. | 06:50 |
| cehteh | leino: why not just setup key auth and done? | 06:50 |
| wall[e] | try to rm -r /root/.ssh and /home/user/.ssh on n900 | 06:50 |
| wall[e] | first | 06:50 |
| cehteh | eh? | 06:50 |
| cehteh | for what? | 06:50 |
| leino | cehteh: I would like to 'done', but that didnt work | 06:51 |
| wall[e] | sshd may refused by key | 06:51 |
| cehteh | then it wont ask for the password | 06:51 |
| leino | ideally no | 06:51 |
| wall[e] | but can you explain why he can't telnet ip 22? | 06:51 |
| cehteh | you can try ssh -vv and sshd -dvv or so on the server to see details | 06:51 |
| opdf2 | anyone using shortcutd? I have the option toggle proximitry after very long press. But when I get off a phone call, proximitry is enabled | 06:52 |
| cehteh | leino: can each box ping each other? | 06:52 |
| opdf2 | even though it was disabled b4 the call | 06:52 |
| wall[e] | he said he can | 06:52 |
| leino | cehteh: my laptop can ping my n900 | 06:53 |
| cehteh | and you are absolutely sure that the ip is correct? | 06:53 |
| wall[e] | ssh redir at router? | 06:53 |
| cehteh | double check that | 06:53 |
| leino | and my n900 used to be able to ping my laptop, but I just tried it again.. and I cant ping n900->laptop now :/ | 06:53 |
| cehteh | ah | 06:53 |
| talonz | he is gettinga connection it prompting him for a password proves that | 06:53 |
| cehteh | so maybe your accesspoint has wlan-isolation turned on | 06:54 |
| cehteh | tactus: well we suspect that he ends on some other machine :) | 06:54 |
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| wall[e] | but it failed telnet 22 which doesn't make sense. | 06:54 |
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| leino | we dont seem to be getting anywhere.. and its getting really early where I live | 06:55 |
| cehteh | plain accesspoint or something smart, soho router or so inbetween? | 06:55 |
| leino | I think I should go to bed now | 06:55 |
| wall[e] | what ssh -vv n900ip say? | 06:55 |
| wall[e] | debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6.maemo5 pat OpenSSH* | 06:55 |
| wall[e] | or has this line? | 06:56 |
| wall[e] | look for maemo5 | 06:56 |
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| leino | ssh -vv n900ip asks me if the host is authentic (yes/no) prompt | 06:56 |
| leino | when I say yes, I get a login prompt | 06:56 |
| wall[e] | ssh --version ? | 06:57 |
| wall[e] | ssh -version | 06:57 |
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| wall[e] | ssh -v | 06:57 |
| wall[e] | heh | 06:57 |
| wall[e] | first line? | 06:58 |
| wall[e] | ssh -V | 06:58 |
| wall[e] | ok | 06:58 |
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| wall[e] | last time | 06:58 |
| wall[e] | :) | 06:58 |
| wall[e] | i'd rm -r .ssh on all machines from all users lol | 06:59 |
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| leino | bleh | 07:00 |
| wall[e] | but then, i don't believe connection was actually established | 07:00 |
| leino | is there any way to check that I know my own user and root pw from within the n900 itself | 07:00 |
| leino | ? | 07:00 |
| wall[e] | do ssh root@localhost on n900 | 07:01 |
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| leino | that worked | 07:02 |
| wall[e] | good | 07:02 |
| leino | both ssh user@localhost and ssh root@localhost | 07:02 |
| wall[e] | but now, i think the problem is why telnet n900ip 22 is refused | 07:03 |
| leino | can you telnet into your n900? | 07:03 |
| wall[e] | yes | 07:03 |
| wall[e] | telnet 192.168.0.60 22 | 07:03 |
| wall[e] | Trying 192.168.0.60... | 07:03 |
| wall[e] | Connected to 192.168.0.60. | 07:03 |
| wall[e] | Escape character is '^]'. | 07:03 |
| wall[e] | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6.maemo5 | 07:03 |
| leino | I havent installed telnet or anything.. is it included by default? | 07:03 |
| wall[e] | apt-get install telnet on your pc? | 07:04 |
| wall[e] | or nmap | 07:04 |
| wall[e] | or anything with ncat | 07:04 |
| wall[e] | ncat 192.168.0.60 22 | 07:05 |
| wall[e] | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6.maemo5 | 07:05 |
| leino | the thing that makes me most depressed is the fact that I cant ping my pc from my n900 | 07:05 |
| leino | as I used to be able to do | 07:05 |
| wall[e] | you should ping as root | 07:05 |
| wall[e] | i'd reboot n900 | 07:05 |
| leino | and, as I have been told, Is a pretty big deal | 07:05 |
| wall[e] | plugging usb cable may mess up its current network settings | 07:06 |
| leino | done it a few seconds ago | 07:06 |
| wall[e] | are you pinging as root from n900? | 07:06 |
| leino | after I unplugged the usb cable | 07:06 |
| wall[e] | first ping rounter | 07:06 |
| leino | yeah | 07:06 |
| leino | k | 07:06 |
| wall[e] | can you ping router? | 07:06 |
| leino | pinging router worked | 07:07 |
| leino | (from n900) | 07:07 |
| leino | (and from pc) | 07:07 |
| wall[e] | may be pc block it? | 07:07 |
| leino | pc can ping pc | 07:08 |
| wall[e] | yeh, it runs to different channel | 07:08 |
| wall[e] | through* | 07:08 |
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| wall[e] | or that mean another pc can ping the pc? | 07:08 |
| leino | also, I used to be able to ping my pc from my n900 via the internet connection like yesterday | 07:08 |
| leino | I dont have another pc | 07:08 |
| wall[e] | pinging localhost isn't like pinging another box | 07:09 |
| leino | ok | 07:09 |
| leino | ping 192.168.1.2 | 07:09 |
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| leino | oops | 07:09 |
| leino | getting tired now.. should seriously go to sleep | 07:10 |
| wall[e] | yeh | 07:10 |
| leino | wall[e]: thanks for your help | 07:10 |
| wall[e] | sorry couldn't do much | 07:10 |
| wall[e] | btw | 07:10 |
| leino | no prob, Ill try again tomorrow | 07:10 |
| wall[e] | we can use usb0 connection to test. | 07:10 |
| leino | this should work | 07:10 |
| leino | the n900 "is like a linux pc" after all... | 07:10 |
| wall[e] | that will skip all wireless | 07:10 |
| wall[e] | heh | 07:10 |
| leino | you can use usb0 as a network interface whatever? | 07:11 |
| wall[e] | yes | 07:11 |
| leino | so it shows up in ifconfig? | 07:11 |
| wall[e] | yes but must use pc suite mode | 07:11 |
| leino | sleep be damned | 07:11 |
| wall[e] | and enter ip manually | 07:11 |
| leino | lets do it | 07:11 |
| wall[e] | lol | 07:11 |
| leino | ok, plugged it into the usb and selected pc suit mode | 07:12 |
| leino | what now? | 07:12 |
| wall[e] | well, just connect and use pc suite mode | 07:12 |
| wall[e] | ifup usb0 | 07:13 |
| wall[e] | on n900 | 07:13 |
| wall[e] | and then ifconfig usb0 | 07:13 |
| wall[e] | see if it has ip? | 07:13 |
| wall[e] | something 192.168.5.14 something? i am not sure | 07:13 |
| leino | .2.15, but yeah I have an ip | 07:13 |
| wall[e] | ok | 07:14 |
| wall[e] | now | 07:14 |
| wall[e] | on your pc | 07:14 |
| wall[e] | ifconfig should show the interface as 2.14 | 07:14 |
| wall[e] | if there isn't one we'll set it up | 07:14 |
| leino | ifconfig doesnt show it | 07:15 |
| wall[e] | sec, better plugged mine | 07:15 |
| wall[e] | ok | 07:15 |
| wall[e] | you see usb0 interface on pc right? | 07:15 |
| wall[e] | er | 07:17 |
| wall[e] | i was confused | 07:17 |
| leino | I dont see usb0 on my pc | 07:17 |
| leino | I see it on my n900 after doing ifup usb0 | 07:17 |
| wall[e] | strange | 07:18 |
| wall[e] | can you ifup usb0 on pc? | 07:18 |
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| leino | veriha:/home/leino# ifup usb0 | 07:18 |
| leino | Ignoring unknown interface usb0=usb0 | 07:18 |
| wall[e] | ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 07:19 |
| wall[e] | on pc | 07:19 |
| wall[e] | hmmm | 07:19 |
| wall[e] | what gnu/linux distribution you are using? | 07:19 |
| wall[e] | i don't really know much about this usb stuffs my box did it automagically | 07:20 |
| leino | debian | 07:20 |
| leino | now ifconfig shows usb0 | 07:20 |
| wall[e] | ok | 07:20 |
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| wall[e] | ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 (on pc) | 07:20 |
| leino | I just did that | 07:21 |
| wall[e] | can you ping 192.168.2.15 from pc now? | 07:21 |
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| leino | I just pinged my pc on .2.14 from my n900 | 07:21 |
| leino | worked! | 07:21 |
| leino | Ill try the reverse | 07:21 |
| wall[e] | good! | 07:21 |
| wall[e] | how about ssh root@192.168.2.15 ? | 07:22 |
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| leino | bamm! works! | 07:22 |
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| leino | (the ping) | 07:22 |
| wall[e] | ok | 07:22 |
| wall[e] | usb ftw | 07:22 |
| leino | omg | 07:22 |
| leino | works! | 07:22 |
| wall[e] | perfect! | 07:22 |
| wall[e] | and do you know | 07:22 |
| leino | I swear it's that stupid router of mine | 07:22 |
| wall[e] | it's like much faster than wireless | 07:23 |
| leino | yeah, but not as wireless | 07:23 |
| wall[e] | yeh | 07:23 |
| wall[e] | i use it to transfer file to my /home/user partition | 07:23 |
| wall[e] | don't know how to mount that directly :S | 07:23 |
| leino | I mostly want it because I find it a pain in the ass to use the n900 keyboard to do administration tasks | 07:24 |
| wall[e] | my /home is 16GB | 07:24 |
| wall[e] | oh i see | 07:24 |
| wall[e] | i have my bluetooth keyboard for that | 07:24 |
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| leino | aha. I shall have to invest in one of those | 07:25 |
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| leino | well, time for bed | 07:26 |
| leino | wall[e]: thanks a bunch! | 07:26 |
| wall[e] | good night! | 07:26 |
| wall[e] | welcome! | 07:26 |
| leino | muchos obligados | 07:26 |
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| opdf2 | anyone using a2dp with their bluetooth car stereo? | 07:40 |
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| parim | hey everyone, do you guyd suggest any good note taking application for maemo. | 08:42 |
| luke-jr | nano-tiny | 08:42 |
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| parim | luke-jr: Thanks | 08:53 |
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| solrize | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18428 Report: Only Escape From Hellish Apple iPhone Factory Was Suicide haha | 09:00 |
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| mintux | when I enable devel or testing repo my rootfs full and I could not install any package. now I ave 10mb free but extra devel and testing repo is disabled . so I need to install some software . I thing some application installed on /opt and these http://codepad.org/rYf11P24 but how can I install my another package on opt ? (its a list of package installed ) http://codepad.org/MsiLolS6 | 09:15 |
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| pronto | how do i uninstall that "I am here" app >.< http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50246&highlight=iamhere | 09:18 |
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| Corsac | mhmh, that thread looks suspicious, the app too :/ | 09:27 |
| pronto | yeah, good tip: dont ranodmly install shit when you're half asleep | 09:27 |
| Corsac | especially non free stuff which sends mail about your position and takes photos | 09:28 |
| viliny_ | i get the feeling that theres something to be wanted in the IQ department of someone writing like that... yet they wrote a program for a linux phone. im confused | 09:28 |
| Corsac | pronto: I didnt read all the thread, what's the problem for removing it? | 09:28 |
| pronto | well Corsac if the damned thing worked, it would be a great thing to have if your phone got stolen | 09:29 |
| Corsac | pronto: it doesn't appear in HAM? | 09:29 |
| pronto | HAM? | 09:29 |
| Corsac | pronto: I still wouldn't trust it | 09:29 |
| Corsac | the application manager | 09:29 |
| pupnik_ | pronto, that seems to be the idea | 09:29 |
| pronto | when i click uninstall it just says failed | 09:29 |
| pupnik_ | lots of us were wanting the 'where's the stolen n900' app | 09:29 |
| Corsac | pronto: do you have root access on your device? | 09:29 |
| pronto | yeah | 09:29 |
| Corsac | pupnik_: well, people can do as they want, I just have large trust issues on this one | 09:30 |
| Corsac | pronto: get a terminal and try to apt-get remove it? | 09:30 |
| Corsac | and see what apt-get tells you if/when it fails | 09:30 |
| Corsac | so we have a better idea of what to do | 09:30 |
| pronto | oo maybe i can kill the proccess | 09:30 |
| Corsac | Added very strong Encryption of all the password set by the user. | 09:31 |
| Corsac | aha, this one scares me to death | 09:31 |
| Corsac | I'd really like to see the sources :) | 09:31 |
| pronto | yeah last night before going to bed i was just browsing the app manager on the phone installing random stuff x.x | 09:31 |
| viliny_ | heh | 09:32 |
| viliny_ | i do that too | 09:32 |
| Corsac | ditto :) | 09:32 |
| viliny_ | once a week i scroll through all the new stuff | 09:32 |
| pupnik_ | heh no sources Corsac ? :) | 09:33 |
| viliny_ | ended up finding an eve-online widget that doesn't working because of libqt4-core 4.6.2 missing which i then installed but it still tells me it's not ok... so i just left it alone before my phone went bananas :) | 09:34 |
| viliny_ | god im tired, not good to find widelands in the repos just before you are supposed to be falling asleep | 09:34 |
| Corsac | pupnik_: not available no | 09:34 |
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| pupnik_ | fun game viliny_ ? | 09:35 |
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| pronto | ah ha! i got that peice of shit removed | 09:46 |
| pronto | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=648354&postcount=384 | 09:46 |
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| viliny_ | pupnik_: if you like settlers yeah, didn't really get that far yet :) | 09:51 |
| viliny_ | looks nice | 09:51 |
| viliny_ | wish it had a bit of a faster pace or game speed adjustable | 09:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/05/the-wireless-traffic-of-mit-students/comment-page-1/#comment-1559 :o | 09:52 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:10 |
| johnx | hallo hrw | 10:10 |
| johnx | how is your world? | 10:10 |
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| pupnik_ | shiny ;) | 10:12 |
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| hrw | johnx: ok it is | 10:14 |
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| hrw | johnx: flood is not here yet and I am on safe ground | 10:14 |
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| johnx | good to hear :) | 10:15 |
| johnx | working on anything fun lately? | 10:15 |
| johnx | hey pupnik_ :D | 10:15 |
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| arachnist | hrw: you happen to be in poland or czech republic? | 10:16 |
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| pupnik_ | johnx: just uploading something maybe interesting | 10:16 |
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| hrw | arachnist: North-West part of Poland - Szczecin | 10:18 |
| hrw | johnx: cross compiling | 10:19 |
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| johnx | hrw, I thought you solved the whole cross-compiling thing years ago with OE :) | 10:19 |
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| lbt | hi johnx | 10:21 |
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| pupnik_ | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10147&stc=1&d=1274426375 DOOM timedemo tests, this time with *real* data! :) | 10:21 |
| johnx | pupnik_, way cool :) | 10:22 |
| johnx | lbt, hey | 10:22 |
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| arachnist | pupnik_: less blurry image, please? | 10:22 |
| pupnik_ | t.m.o. squished my image | 10:23 |
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| pupnik_ | maybe later when i have more runs to compare | 10:24 |
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| pupnik_ | i need the n900 during the day | 10:24 |
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| hrw | johnx: now I will do similar stuff on other places | 10:29 |
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| RST38h | johnx,hrw moo | 10:36 |
| hrw | RST38h: you have super cow powers? | 10:37 |
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| RST38h | naah | 10:39 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Thanks | 11:18 |
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| wazd | guys, where can I buy n900 in Berlin for cheaper price than in nokia stores? | 11:49 |
| Scelt | in a dark alley | 11:49 |
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| pupnik_ | wazd: amazon.co.uk | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: coming to berlin? | 11:51 |
| moo---_ | can iconv or any UNIX tool convert utf-8 to sms character set? | 11:51 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: nope, not me yet :D | 11:51 |
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| ptl | SMS can use UTF-8, isn't it? It's the default when there's any accented or special character and its limit goes to 70. | 11:55 |
| zash | SMS MUST accept UTF-16 afaik | 11:57 |
| zash | and 160 8bit bytes | 11:57 |
| ptl | oh, yes, I confused things. | 11:57 |
| ptl | UTF-16 | 11:57 |
| zash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Message_Service#Message_size | 11:58 |
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| moo---_ | zash: I am interest in 160 8bit | 12:01 |
| moo---_ | zash: UTF-16 is no prob | 12:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's _not_ 160 bytes | 12:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's 160 chars - of 7 bits with a wierd encoding | 12:02 |
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| moo---_ | SpeedEvil: in any case, are there UNIX tools to deal with it? | 12:04 |
| moo---_ | command-line, or any libs | 12:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | I know there are various open-source SMS capable tools. | 12:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know of libs speciifcallt | 12:05 |
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| cc | Hi there, has anyone heard of a port of tetrinet for maemo 5? | 12:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | ahahahahahahah. | 12:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | You'd think people would at least run 'top' for a bit when compiling an application. | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | 'batlevel' uses 2% CPU constantly. With the screen locked. | 12:43 |
| raster | SpeedEvil: yo :) | 12:43 |
| raster | why would they? | 12:43 |
| raster | i dont | 12:43 |
| raster | i know my cpu and io are being hammered | 12:44 |
| raster | :) | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: developing, you mean | 12:44 |
| SpeedEvil | err - yes | 12:44 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry. | 12:44 |
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| raster | oh you emanto check that it doesnt sit and spin in infinite loops chewing cpu? | 12:44 |
| raster | (when it should be idle sleepin' happily away) | 12:45 |
| inz | Speed, isn't it nice to have a battery level indicator that makes your battery die 3 times faster? | 12:45 |
| inz | Speed, the indicator suddenly becomes useful! | 12:45 |
| SpeedEvil | raster: exactly. | 12:46 |
| raster | yeah | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | inz: Twice! Don't you wish. | 12:46 |
| raster | also why woul wouldnt check to see its memory usage | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | 130mA idle vs 7 | 12:46 |
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| raster | first cut - simple top/ps | 12:46 |
| raster | second - memprof & friends | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | something that shows pss/uss | 12:47 |
| raster | also i'd expect you strace it to just see what its doing syscall wise | 12:47 |
| raster | is it using "almsot no cpu" | 12:47 |
| raster | but still waking up and doing thins too often | 12:47 |
| raster | etc. | 12:47 |
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| Khertan | Someone know why Nokia didn't want to show file extensions in dialog ... ? I ve put several bug request ... still won't fix | 13:03 |
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| Khertan | it s really annoying ... !!! | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | same reason windows does it? | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | ;p | 13:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sigh. I was about to complain that the repositories are broken. | 13:03 |
| Khertan | example ... i ve png image ... edit it with the imageviewer ... it s save in .jpg ... i ve both when i want to send an email ... which one is the good one ? | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Turns out I can't spell free. | 13:03 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, in windows ... it s an option | 13:03 |
| Khertan | and you have at least a details viewer that show you the type of the file | 13:04 |
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| * Khertan didn't bother anymore with b.m.o ... will be won't fix ... so why to loose time doing it | 13:05 | |
| Khertan | someone have the same feeling than me ? or this is just because it s the end of the week and should going to sleep | 13:06 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:06 |
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| akumar | plaese any one suggest me, how to resolve the error ; /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 11: 3294 Floating point exception(core dumped) "$@". maemo Qt application written in cpp. | 13:35 |
| akumar | details of error : http://pastebin.com/FeHR4tNZ | 13:36 |
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| AfroMark | hi all | 13:37 |
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| AfroMark | help with a question about dlna? | 13:37 |
| Shapeshifter | humm, thats odd. I can't load themes anymore. hitting themes from the desktop settings view or from the setting just does nothing. the theme selector doesn't show up. | 13:37 |
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| sx0n | akumar, are dividing with zero? | 13:38 |
| Shapeshifter | can I try launching it from the cli to see some output? | 13:38 |
| AfroMark | I have a home media network hard drive connected to my wireless router. I can see video files on it from my n900, but trying to play one results in the message 'no network server' | 13:39 |
| akumar | no, dividing with zero. | 13:39 |
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| AfroMark | any suggestions? | 13:39 |
| akumar | sx0n: if i try, int main() {}. then it fired same error. | 13:40 |
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| akumar | i am running in maemo5 scrachbox. | 13:41 |
| plastun | akumar, I also gets the same errors using GTK | 13:41 |
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| akumar | plastun: then how to solved problem. | 13:42 |
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| plastun | don't know :). Actualy, scratcjbox very strange tool :) | 13:43 |
| adeus | akumar: wrong arm target? | 13:46 |
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| adeus | oh on sb | 13:46 |
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| akumar | adeus: i am using sbox-FREMANTLE_X86. | 13:47 |
| adeus | yes I noticed | 13:47 |
| adeus | I got those when my target was set up incorrectly | 13:47 |
| akumar | how to set up. | 13:48 |
| akumar | it is working previously. | 13:48 |
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| adeus | if you write g++ | 13:48 |
| adeus | what is the msg | 13:48 |
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| akumar | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: /scratchbox/users/mm4/home/user/Qt/maemo5scratchbox/prac-code/window-prog/hello] > g++ | 13:50 |
| akumar | sbox-i486-pc-linux-gnu-g++: no input files | 13:50 |
| adeus | who about apu transparency | 13:52 |
| adeus | sb-conf show | 13:52 |
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| MohammadAG | achipa, did you upload PyQt 4.7? | 13:53 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: guilty as charged | 13:54 |
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| Treibholz | damn, adblock isn't working anymore... | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | ~ping | 13:56 |
| infobot | ~pong | 13:56 |
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| Treibholz | reinstalling doesn't help. | 13:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | Nah. I uninstalled the theme I installed, and rebooted, and I still cannot see the theme switching dialog. | 14:01 |
| Shapeshifter | any clues? | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | Maemo 6 Widgets Gallery? | 14:05 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: oh yes, I just found the same reason while searching TMO. uninstalling it now | 14:06 |
| Shapeshifter | though wth kind of a connection is that -.- | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | it comes with a themes package | 14:06 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: ... why do you ask (pyqt) ? | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | that segfauls personalization_app | 14:07 |
| Shapeshifter | awesome | 14:07 |
| akumar | adeus: sb-conf show, "Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 | 14:07 |
| akumar | Devkits: perl debian-etch doctools svn git | 14:07 |
| akumar | CPU-transparency: none" | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, noticed it in there | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, there's a bug report afaik | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: woops | 14:07 |
| Shapeshifter | I've given up on filing bugs for maemo | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/packages/view/opera-mobile/ | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | Opera mobile is now in Extras-devel | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | in extras? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | they upped it themselves? | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | for both Fremantle and Diablo. | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | Yes | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | oh, cool | 14:08 |
| achipa | \o/ | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9480 | 14:08 |
| povbot` | Bug 9480: Maemo6 demo widgets: No themes listed in Maemo5 "Select a theme" dialog | 14:08 |
| andre__ | Shapeshifter, why? :) | 14:09 |
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| achipa | MohammadAG: we'll have good pyqt company as it's really not much work to have it working and at least it provides some motivation to the pyside folks ;) | 14:10 |
| Shapeshifter | andre__: well. They just take ages to fix something trivial, and don't really care about improvement requests, lots of them being sane. if you want something to happen, you have to do it yourself... | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, anything wrong about the man-db package in -devel? you never answered ;) | 14:10 |
| andre__ | Shapeshifter, I see... :-/ | 14:10 |
| Shapeshifter | andre__: but it's okay. still better then elsewhere ;) | 14:10 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, will Qt 4.7 follow? | 14:11 |
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| MohammadAG | o/ lcuk | 14:11 |
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| achipa | morning o/ | 14:11 |
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| * MohammadAG sees something about "Nokia and yahoo..." in his RSS feed | 14:11 | |
| lcuk | X-Fade o_O @ Opera, cool beans | 14:12 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: as far as I am concerned, yes, but the exact features supported before the actual Qt4.7 release will depend on upstream | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yep, nice :) | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | actual? | 14:12 |
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| RST38h | Yahoo is buying Nokia | 14:12 |
| * RST38h ducks | 14:13 | |
| Appiah | :) | 14:13 |
| * lcuk slaps RST38h | 14:13 | |
| MohammadAG | ~nuke RST38h | 14:13 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at RST38h ... B☢☢M! | 14:13 | |
| RST38h | Actually, "Nokia buying Yahoo" sounds more belieavable | 14:13 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: as in 'when a PR1.x containing Qt4.7 lands' | 14:13 |
| RST38h | Services! | 14:13 |
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| achipa | (if there will be such a thing) | 14:13 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, any idea whether this problem is albanc's package or something up with autobuilder itself: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-May/021954.html | 14:13 |
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| lcuk | theres a block of same failures | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | im thinking builder since it doesnt know which target | 14:15 |
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| Treibholz | hmm, still works in fennec, but not in microb.... | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/21/nokia-and-yahoo-announcing-partnership-monday/ | 14:15 |
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| albanc | lcuk, X-Fade, uid not found: 30260: I get the access for maemo-extras-devel today, maybe a problem with that? | 14:16 |
| akumar | adeus: sb-conf show, | 14:16 |
| akumar | Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 | 14:16 |
| akumar | Devkits: perl debian-etch doctools svn git | 14:16 |
| akumar | CPU-transparency: none | 14:16 |
| lcuk | albanc, its probably penance for us doing pr1.2 ;) | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | so, does someone know a nice theme that has an industrial "wasteland" kind of look? | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | tired pip-boy-3000, don't like it. | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | *tried | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: go for anything remotely android looking | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | :P | 14:18 |
| lcuk | albanc, did you upload via the web based wizard, or did you use dput? | 14:18 |
| albanc | lcuk, dput | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | pubkey updated? | 14:18 |
| lcuk | well he got app up there :P | 14:18 |
| albanc | I uploaded my ssh key before | 14:18 |
| lcuk | if the pubkey was wrong it wouldnt have gone up ? | 14:19 |
| albanc | I tried to upload again, but dput says it is already uploaded so it does not upload it again | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I've only used dput twice :P | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | I keep breaking sbox | 14:20 |
| lcuk | yeah well you are special | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | and i can't bother to keep updating keys | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:20 |
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| akumar | plaese any one suggest me, how to resolve the error ; /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 11: 3294 Floating point exception(core dumped) "$@". | 14:27 |
| akumar | maemo Qt application written in cpp. | 14:27 |
| akumar | details of error : http://pastebin.com/FeHR4tNZ | 14:27 |
| akssps011_ | Hi, when I login to maemo scratchbox , it says no current target. How can I set it ? | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | akssps011_: sb-menu | 14:29 |
| akssps011_ | sb-menu too shows an empty list in sb-menu also. Should adding FREMANTLE_X86 would do ? | 14:29 |
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| X-Fade | That means you don't have targets created yet. | 14:30 |
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| akssps011_ | X-Fade: so if Iselect Setup a target and write FREMANTLE_X86 their. Would it do ? | 14:30 |
| akumar | akssps011_: you can install the target fron FREMANTLE_X86 from sb-menu | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | akssps011_: No, you need to do more. Check the documentaion on manually setting up a target. | 14:31 |
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| MohammadAG | ~MaemoSDK | 14:34 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 14:34 |
| lcuk | o_O X-Fade when albanc used dput to upload it caused the errors, he just went via the web assistant and it passed | 14:35 |
| Arkenoi | does modest UI still suck in leakware (5 clicks to get to your inbox)? | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | compile the newest source and find out ;) | 14:36 |
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| minttux | how can i select a text from browser | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | RTFM | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | (or swipe from bottom left) | 14:38 |
| Surfa | or just left | 14:38 |
| Wizzup | Does anyone else get: "ERROR: could not parse reponse" when using irerco? | 14:38 |
| Wizzup | irreco* | 14:38 |
| akssps011_ | +infobot thanks. Now I am getting [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~]. How can I revert back to sbox-: ~ | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | why | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | akssps011_, believe me - its better to keep the target type there | 14:39 |
| lcuk | it saves lots of hair pulling and faff | 14:40 |
| albanc | lcuk, for planet maemo, who should I ask? | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | GAN? | 14:40 |
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| akssps011_ | lcuck: I wanted to add FERMANTLE ARMEL also. that's why I asked | 14:41 |
| lcuk | albanc, if you already sent your application via the web interface it will be sat on the pending queu | 14:41 |
| akssps011_ | lcuck: is there any way | 14:41 |
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| albanc | lcuk, I sent my application by email Monday on planet@maemo.org | 14:42 |
| lcuk | i think X-Fade reviews each carefully :P | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | ooer | 14:44 |
| * lcuk was just about to answer askkps011_ | 14:44 | |
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| lcuk | oh noes, lukes Nokia X[something] has to be sent off for repairs | 14:47 |
| lcuk | they are giving him a temporary loaner :( its a rly old basic one :D | 14:47 |
| lcuk | hes gonna be so gutted | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | X6? | 14:48 |
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| MohammadAG | give him the N900 :P | 14:48 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, i would but i havent got a spare one for him :) | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | give up yours, he's your son :P | 14:50 |
| minttux | i press left button but not any affect for select text in browser | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | minttux, be a ninja. seriously - from the left hand side of screen start a swipe from just below the earpiece speaker to the right onto the screen | 14:51 |
| lcuk | ----> | 14:51 |
| Schorschl | Hey guys, i've a question. Yesturday i've installed the mobilehotspot package. this package needs a modified kernel and some utillities to flash it. After removing this packages my n900 with maemo5 dont start up. everytime i turn it on, it will show the nokia logo and the moving bubbles. (the led light is on all time) after a blank screen, it will retry booting, but it doesnt work... maybe a wrong kernel? | 14:51 |
| lcuk | minttux, then a magic button will appear what turns on the cursor mode | 14:52 |
| lcuk | to the left of your screen * | 14:52 |
| Schorschl | (and sorry for my bad grammar oO) | 14:52 |
| * lcuk should drink more coffee | 14:52 | |
| lcuk | bergie, didnt know you are on github :) | 14:53 |
| Schorschl | any suggestions? | 14:54 |
| bergie | lcuk: now we are :-) | 14:54 |
| lcuk | indeed and im following the repos :) http://github.com/midgardproject | 14:54 |
| * lcuk is a githubber too | 14:54 | |
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| faari | 14:55 faari : joka sivulla on tuollainen: Ari Haapasaari, 195164 | 14:55 |
| faari | damn, wrong button :) | 14:56 |
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| Schorschl | or someone know to boot the n900 with a specific kernel? | 14:57 |
| bergie | lcuk: great! there are also some other interesting repos like http://github.com/nemein/MeeGo | 14:57 |
| lcuk | Schorschl, if installing the package required updating the kernel then speak with the devs, is this package on maemo.org extras(-devel)? | 14:58 |
| Schorschl | lcuk: this wouldn't help me. the device is unbootable. no "mobilehotspot" dev can help me now | 14:59 |
| * GAN900 yawns. | 15:00 | |
| Schorschl | maybe i can flash the complete firmware, but then all my contacts / messages are deleted. so i'll try to boot a specific kernel with the flasher utillity | 15:01 |
| lcuk | Schorschl, so reflash? | 15:01 |
| lcuk | and learn to take backups before you do stuff like that | 15:01 |
| lcuk | and sure you can reflash kernels but whether that will help is another issue | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | Schorschl: the problem is you need to replace a modules package too | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | which you can't do easily | 15:02 |
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| Schorschl | is there an other chance to mount the filesystem on an other device? | 15:03 |
| Schorschl | then i'll be able to copy the partition and reflash | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | Schorschl, yes, but it requires preplanning | 15:05 |
| Schorschl | no problem | 15:05 |
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| Schorschl | lcuk: so it's possible to hold the 'u' button and connect it with usb and then use the mount command? | 15:08 |
| ZogG | so i jailbroked my iphone- now hat? =) | 15:08 |
| ZogG | 15:08 | |
| ZogG | @zoggön!Ich hab morgen frei wer will mit mir saufen :-DSchatz ich liebe dich | 15:08 |
| ZogG | damn =( | 15:09 |
| ZogG | where this old msg come from? | 15:09 |
| lcuk | Schorschl, try it | 15:09 |
| Schorschl | ZogG : was hasten zu saufen da? :D | 15:09 |
| lcuk | for the MyDocs partition possibly | 15:09 |
| lcuk | but if its not even getting that far.. | 15:09 |
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| ZogG | Schorschl it was old twitt msg i asked for tranlation for here | 15:10 |
| Schorschl | ZogG : ok :) u know now what it means? | 15:10 |
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| ZogG | somethink about drinking | 15:10 |
| Schorschl | yep^^ | 15:10 |
| ZogG | something* | 15:10 |
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| Schorschl | lcuk: the MyDocs partition is /dev/mmcpl0k1 and the root partition is /mmcpl0k0 maybe it will work.... | 15:11 |
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| MohammadAG | o.O | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mtd5 is the root partition afaik | 15:15 |
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| MohammadAG | /mmcblk0p0 is partition 0, and that never exists | 15:15 |
| albanc | X-Fade, lcuk, I will publish a blog post about the new mapbuddy with contacts on the map. Any chance to have my blog added on planet maemo? | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | albanc: Sure, I can do that. | 15:16 |
| albanc | X-Fade, thanks! Do you need more information than in my email? | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | albanc: No, that is enough. Will add it now. | 15:17 |
| lcuk | albanc, the mapbuddy stuff will help at confs too hopefully | 15:20 |
| lcuk | when we all need to meetup at bars | 15:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, pong? | 15:21 |
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| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, did I ping you? don't recall doing that | 15:24 |
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| akumar | when i run simple hello.c program in scratchbox, using gcc hello.c: compile successfully but when run ./a.out then fire the error: Floating point exception (core dumped) | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, ah, I see. | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, Planet. | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, no, talk to X-Fade for that. ;) | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, ping - did any further discussion about hermes importing maemo.org contacts occur? | 15:25 |
| kamui_ | nice ports in extras dev I noticed last night | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | mind you, i dunno how it would do it | 15:26 |
| lcuk | mmm X-Fade how would we deal with showing friends on maemo.org | 15:26 |
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| akumar | please any one welcome to suggest me solution for this. | 15:36 |
| akumar | when i run simple hello.c program in scratchbox, using gcc hello.c: compile successfully but when run ./a.out then fire the error: Floating point exception (core dumped) | 15:37 |
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| smoku | does anyone see what exactly FAILED here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/openredalert_r534-1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt ? | 15:38 |
| phellarv_ | akumar: Getting closer to weekend - Everything's gonna get floating in beer. | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | smoku, mmm X-Fade this package failure smoku just said has pulled in the man-db that MohammadAG uploaded to -devel, im starting to wonder whether it could be causing random failures? | 15:41 |
| lcuk | i think having packages in -devel that are expected to come from the sdk is a bit wrong | 15:42 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, i suppose a = can be used, but that's stupid | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | should I change the package name? | 15:46 |
| smoku | lcuk: ok. then https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10231 | 15:46 |
| povbot` | Bug 10231: Builder fails buils with unknown reason | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | smoku, why does it pull in man-db? | 15:48 |
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| MohammadAG | try using versioned dependencies, if that works it's my man-db package | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | guess the autobuilder never read the -devel warning ;) | 15:48 |
| akumar | i am using scratchbox and details about error here, http://pastebin.com/XSffLnDC, please any one suggest me solutions. | 15:48 |
| Schorschl | is there a failsafe kernel available? know how to boot with a specific kernel image | 15:49 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, autobuilder needs -devel most of the time | 15:49 |
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| smoku | MohammadAG: you ask _me_? | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, sarcasm :P | 15:49 |
| smoku | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/openredalert_r534-1/sources/openredalert_r534-1.dsc | 15:49 |
| smoku | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libsdl1.2-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev | 15:49 |
| lcuk | Schorschl, did you ever read the -devel / root warning too | 15:49 |
| lcuk | debhelper i think depends on some other things that depend on man-db | 15:50 |
| Schorschl | yes, but i think its a broken kernel image | 15:50 |
| lcuk | what makes you think that? | 15:51 |
| E0x | i need the sdk for doing something like the notification of volumen level ? | 15:51 |
| E0x | or i can do it just with gtk | 15:51 |
| E0x | good morning BTW | 15:51 |
| E0x | :D | 15:51 |
| lcuk | E0x, you need the sdk to build/test your work | 15:51 |
| lcuk | and raw gtk looks like donkey poop | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh root@phone \ root@phone's password: \ PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | thoughts? | 15:52 |
| lcuk | it doesnt get themed without hildonisation | 15:52 |
| E0x | lcuk: i am doing some pyhon program i think i don't need build | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: don't have so many xterms open | 15:52 |
| lcuk | sure then E0x | 15:52 |
| lcuk | just make it, package it and deploy it | 15:52 |
| lcuk | theres many python devs around | 15:52 |
| lcuk | theres even python packaging tools direct on the device | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. Three is two many? | 15:53 |
| Schorschl | cause i remember some output from apt... but i have no kernel image, and dont want to download the scratchbox to build one | 15:53 |
| E0x | i am doing a current desktop indicator i am need show the number of the desktop | 15:53 |
| E0x | when you change it | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, /dev/pts isn't mounted? | 15:53 |
| E0x | the part of watch the change of the desktop is done | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: Download a firmware image. Unpack using the flasher. Flash only the kernel | 15:53 |
| E0x | i just need the display/show part | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | try apt-getting something, if /dev/pts isn't mounted it'll throw an error | 15:53 |
| lcuk | Schorschl, your machine is in a boot loop? ie its generally loaded the kernel started some apps (especially the loading screen) and something is failing within | 15:53 |
| lcuk | however you have no user friendly mechanism to find out what | 15:54 |
| lcuk | save time, reflash | 15:54 |
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| lcuk | then read up about the recovery stuff | 15:54 |
| lcuk | and take backups | 15:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | It should be quite simple to make a kernel that will boot using flasher -k - and load a rootfs on the SD card - so you can play with stuff. I've not seen it though | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | if the kernel were busted it wouldnt get as far as the loading screen (5 dots) | 15:55 |
| lcuk | would it? | 15:55 |
| Schorschl | maybe the kernel is not broken... what parameters can i give him, to have a chance to successfull boot | 15:55 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: nope. | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It would fail silently with a decompression error. | 15:56 |
| lcuk | Schorschl, could try -dontfail | 15:57 |
| lcuk | or -noerrors | 15:57 |
| lcuk | or -justworkdamnyou | 15:57 |
| lcuk | brb rebooting laptop | 15:57 |
| Schorschl | friendly ... | 15:58 |
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| lcuk | Schorschl, of course | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | if there was a simple series of steps you could try i would have pointed you there already. if you want to spend time investigating then cool, please log stuff on the maemo.org wiki and i will point others there | 16:00 |
| Schorschl | SpeedEvil : qry? | 16:00 |
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| lcuk | as it stands tho your machine is in a bootloop and pretty much the only thing you can do is reflash | 16:00 |
| Schorschl | lcuk: that isnt possible | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: I am not aware of anything that will help you. | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: why not? | 16:01 |
| * MohammadAG_ is missing the problem | 16:01 | |
| MohammadAG_ | if it's a kernel f up, reflash the stock kernel | 16:01 |
| Schorschl | yes, but where i can find one? i cant download the scratchbox cause i have 50kb/s downstream | 16:02 |
| lcuk | Schorschl, perhaps for everyone concerned you could restate your problem from the start | 16:03 |
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| lcuk | rather than being fixated on a single thing | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | Schorschl, hmm, there's a 1.8MB package afaik | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | kernel is it's name | 16:04 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: No | 16:04 |
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| crashanddie_ | if you're a brit, and meet and aussie, you should sing: "Get your shit stars, get your shit stars, get your shit stars off our flag!" | 16:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | I thought the proper etiquette was to ask if he used vegimite when being intimate with his kangaroo. | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | (01:53:50 PM) SpeedEvil: Schorschl: Download a firmware image. Unpack using the flasher. Flash only the kernel | 16:10 |
| Schorschl | oh didn't see your message | 16:11 |
| Schorschl | thanks, i'll try it | 16:11 |
| hatake_kakashi | and if you're a brit visiting Australia you'd be called a pom :p | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | hatake_kakashi: And asked about your porn collection. | 16:12 |
| talonz | not another pom in australia ;o | 16:12 |
| hatake_kakashi | SpeedEvil, not likely | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | hatake_kakashi: Actually - certainly. | 16:12 |
| Schorschl | uah 188MB download... time to make some coffee | 16:13 |
| hatake_kakashi | SpeedEvil, got some evidence? ;) | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/05/20/1313213/Australia-Air-Travelers-Laptops-To-Be-Searched-For-Porn | 16:13 |
| hatake_kakashi | bleh yet another /. | 16:13 |
| leino | hi guys.. trying to manually install some software on my n900 | 16:15 |
| leino | but /usr doesnt have a whole lot of space on it | 16:15 |
| leino | how did you guys solve this? | 16:15 |
| Appiah | Well, I for one dont install manually | 16:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | leino: Alter the package so that it doesn't put stuff in /usr | 16:16 |
| hatake_kakashi | maybe via sdhc or resizing /home/user/MyDocs (not that I've tried it) | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Or unpack it somewhere else, and then do that | 16:16 |
| leino | any Idea of where to install stuff then | 16:17 |
| smoku | /opt/maemo | 16:17 |
| leino | /dev/mmcblk0p1 is pretty big, mounted on /home/user/MyDocs | 16:17 |
| Schorschl | leino: for the future... u can move the /var/cache/apt to your myDocs partition.. this will save ~ 10MB on the root partition | 16:18 |
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| hatake_kakashi | that's if you want to back up installed/downloaded packages from the repo | 16:18 |
| leino | smoku: the device on which /opt/maemo resides only has like 1.7G's available | 16:19 |
| leino | that will run out pretty soon | 16:19 |
| chem|st | leino: doesnt | 16:19 |
| smoku | Schorschl: and slowdown installations even more ;-) | 16:19 |
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| Schorschl | smoku: not really | 16:19 |
| leino | chemlst: wha? | 16:19 |
| smoku | leino: your app is THAT big? | 16:19 |
| leino | smoku: I am planning to install more apps in the future | 16:20 |
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| smoku | leino: more than 2 gigs? | 16:20 |
| leino | why not, I have a 24G hd in there | 16:20 |
| * lcuk gasps | 16:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | leino: There are not I suspect 2G of actual apps. | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: if you installed them all. | 16:21 |
| * hatake_kakashi thinks someone is going to install the whole maemo repository | 16:21 | |
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| chem|st | leino: my full blown debian install is now up to 16GB, so what do you want to install? | 16:21 |
| chem|st | hatake_kakashi: >30GB | 16:21 |
| leino | ok, so the standard (which I suppose I'll stick to for now) is to install stuff in /opt ? | 16:22 |
| chem|st | yes | 16:22 |
| smoku | it gives me creeps if someones uses "only" and "GB" in one sentence ;-) | 16:22 |
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| hatake_kakashi | chem|st, which is why /home/user/MyDocs is a temporary solution until one gets sick of it and gets one of those sdhc with 16GB on it :) | 16:22 |
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| smoku | there were times we had to fit in 16kB and yet did wonders | 16:22 |
| leino | smoku: thats not why I got a n900 tho :) | 16:23 |
| chem|st | hatake_kakashi: realy? you need diablo repos and stuff? | 16:23 |
| chem|st | or x86.deb ? | 16:23 |
| hatake_kakashi | chem|st, no no, not myself personally, I'm just speculating on what leino is trying to achieve | 16:24 |
| smoku | leino: still, I have no idea where would you get 2GB of apps for N900 | 16:24 |
| chem|st | those >30GB is all repos not only fremantle arm stuff | 16:24 |
| pyhimys | smoku: oh you were lucky! We used to dream of having 16kB! Our managers beat us to death every day and all we had to code with was a lump of cold poison! | 16:24 |
| leino | smoku: I guess I'd have to port some stuff | 16:25 |
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| leino | right now Im trying to install a the armel port of ghc (a haskell compiler) for instance | 16:25 |
| leino | hardly in the maemo repos | 16:25 |
| lcuk | leino, i and other will be happy to discuss finding a method to extend the /home partition | 16:25 |
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| lcuk | its just something not many people have encountered yet | 16:26 |
| leino | is the installation location hard-coded into a .deb package? or can I change it when I run dpkg -i *.deb ? | 16:26 |
| crashanddie_ | stskeeps: vegemite is a crime against humanity and should be discussed between civilised people. However, residents of a penal colony seem to be exempt of this rule. | 16:26 |
| chem|st | lcuk: was part of early discussions... but 2GB is enough for now | 16:26 |
| lcuk | usually hard coded, because the files used by the app expect things in specific locations | 16:26 |
| lcuk | yeah chem|st | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: what? | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:27 |
| crashanddie_ | s/should/should not/ | 16:27 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: stskeeps: vegemite is a crime against humanity and should not be discussed between civilised people. However, residents of a penal colony seem to be exempt of this rule. | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | where did that come from? :P | 16:27 |
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| crashanddie_ | ah crap, it was speedevil | 16:28 |
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| leino | lcuk: then how do I go about installing stuff in /opt ? | 16:28 |
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| lcuk | leino, your own packages? | 16:28 |
| leino | you mean re-package a .deb? | 16:28 |
| lcuk | i dont mean that | 16:28 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk: you won the use of a facepalm | 16:28 |
| leino | ok, I have an existing .deb package that wants to place stuff in /usr | 16:29 |
| leino | so it's not "my own package" | 16:29 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 16:29 |
| leino | thanks! | 16:30 |
| chem|st | leino: dpkg -i --root=/path/ package.deb | 16:30 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, why a facepalm | 16:30 |
| leino | chem|st: that simple huh? | 16:30 |
| chem|st | or just unpack and repack like you want | 16:31 |
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| leino | chem|st: but the --root option seems so much easier.. if it does what I expect it to | 16:31 |
| chem|st | leino: if you tell dpkg that $dir is / then install dir is $dir/$deb-folderstructure | 16:32 |
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| chem|st | leino: I dont know if that does what you want as I dont know what you want | 16:33 |
| leino | chem|st: ok, so the "standard" is --root=/opt/maemo or --root=/opt ? | 16:33 |
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| chem|st | leino: no | 16:34 |
| chem|st | the standard is to put everything large in to /opt/$game and symlinks to the previous places | 16:34 |
| leino | you lost me at $game | 16:35 |
| chem|st | leino: if you do --root=/opt/maemo as standard most apps wont work ever | 16:35 |
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| leino | allright | 16:36 |
| leino | so if I want to install ghc, I better do --root=/opt/ghc | 16:36 |
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| chem|st | leino: you got a pckg game.deb which installs its game files with 100s of MB into /usr/share/ , you repack the game.deb to put its game-files into /opt/game/ and put symlinks in /usr/share/ to point to /opt/game | 16:37 |
| chem|st | leino: no | 16:37 |
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| chem|st | its like installing into empty space | 16:38 |
| chem|st | as the programfiles are in /opt/ghc/ but they are looking at / as reference | 16:39 |
| leino | ok, because the game expects stuff to be in /usr/x | 16:39 |
| Schorschl | lcuk: there is no boot loop... only when the device is connected via usb. when not, it shows the dots and going off | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: that is getting to userspace. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: the dots are started early in userspace-from a script. | 16:40 |
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| Schorschl | SpeedEvil : then not the kernel? | 16:45 |
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| Schorschl | or is it a battery issue? | 16:47 |
| zlimvos | anyone would know a one liner from xterm to disable screen light timeour? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | not sure one exists, but that would be nice | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you aren't talking about escape commands.. | 16:49 |
| Schorschl | zlimvos : install the brightness apllication | 16:49 |
| Schorschl | i didn't know the name, cause my n900 is dead :D | 16:50 |
| zlimvos | schorschl: ah ok :D i'll search for it, thx | 16:50 |
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| Schorschl | then u can select the brightnes from the icon list and make a tick by "keep screen on" | 16:52 |
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| Schorschl | any ideas why the n900 wouldn't go into rom mode? pressed u and connected the usb cable, but there is no usb icon at the top of the screen | 16:53 |
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| smoku | zlimvos: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso/group__Devstate.html#gbd82d7b0160e26cd15479f2685697322 | 16:54 |
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| crashanddie | Schorschl: connect the USB cable before | 16:55 |
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| Schorschl | tried, same | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | Schorschl: make sure the N900 is completely "off" | 16:55 |
| smoku | Schorschl: turn off the device and plug USB | 16:55 |
| smoku | you don't have to turn it on before flashing | 16:56 |
| Schorschl | battery out, put usb cable, press u, battery in - same | 16:56 |
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| crashanddie | Schorschl: that would actually boot the device in charge mode | 16:58 |
| DrGrov | Good day to all | 16:59 |
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| Schorschl | i tried so many ways | 16:59 |
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| crashanddie | Schorschl: no, you're trying the wrong ways | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | Schorschl: read the doc | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | Schorschl: and apply what it says | 17:00 |
| Schorschl | i read it, last 30 minutes, it works | 17:01 |
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| Schorschl | but now, nothing | 17:01 |
| Schorschl | tried to use the rom mode to copy the filesystem | 17:01 |
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| zlimvos | smoku: excellent thanx | 17:18 |
| pupnik_ | smoku is* excellent | 17:19 |
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| MohammadAG_ | ShadowJK, 3.22V is an empty batt right? | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depends on your definition of "empty" | 17:22 |
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| MohammadAG_ | device won't boot up? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably not | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | device won't flash? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc 3V5 needed to boot | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure won't flash | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | Schorschl, ^ | 17:24 |
| Schorschl | hum? | 17:24 |
| Schorschl | how much needed to boot? | 17:25 |
| Schorschl | i've charged 2 hours, it cant be empty .... | 17:25 |
| Schorschl | *carged it | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | bme isn't starting maybe | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | but from what I remember, DocScrutinizer it should charge at 100mA | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | brb, microb acting up | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | when device doesn't boot ("NOKIA" b&w screen), then it will charge @100mA for 32minutes | 17:27 |
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| Schorschl | ok, it's plugged and i'll wait one hour | 17:28 |
| Schorschl | *plugged in | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you should plug in to wallcharger, let it charge for 30min (steady yellow indicator will lit), after 30min unplug and replug again | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | watch device as it may boot during this emergency charge, when battery reaches minimum voltage | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indicator light will start to flash | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if that happens, DO NOT unplug, but rather keep it charging until indicator turns green (~3..4h) | 17:30 |
| Schorschl | DocScrutinizer : the wallcharger is plugged in, but the led doesn't glow and it vibrates every 40 seconds | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | remove plug and batery, wait 1min, reinsert battery, plug charger | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: if you 'charged' 2h in this vibrator kicking way, then FOR SURE your battery is *empty* :-D | 17:34 |
| Schorschl | yes, i didnt noticed | 17:35 |
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| Schorschl | but your tip don't help^^^ | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it charge now? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yellow indicator? | 17:35 |
| Schorschl | nope | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's actually bad | 17:35 |
| Schorschl | it turns on, when i plug it in | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, not that bad | 17:36 |
| Schorschl | but then it's in a "battery die" - "reboot" loop | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I guess it's charging anyway? Lokk screen with the slider switch | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm :-/ | 17:37 |
| Schorschl | no reaktion | 17:37 |
| Schorschl | *reaction | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're using the original wallcharger, do you? | 17:37 |
| Schorschl | yep | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems you destroyed your root-fs | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | or kernel | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | or the port (muhahahaha jk) | 17:38 |
| Schorschl | but it must carge with a broken root-fs | 17:38 |
| Schorschl | the port is ok, it tries to start when i plug it in | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which is pretty bad if you get a deadlock like "battery empty, doesn't charge due to kernel/rootfs defect, can't flash new due to empty battery" | 17:39 |
| nidO | the solution does only cost like £3 though | 17:39 |
| nidO | its an annoyance more than a dead device | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: so share your solution please :-) | 17:40 |
| nidO | charge the battery with a desktop charger.... | 17:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer *knew* he's going to say that :-P | 17:41 | |
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| auenf | welp, still cant disable call forwarding options :/ | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: you could try to hold or immediately push the powerbutton while/after charger plug in. This *might* keep the device from full booting and light up the yellow charging indicator (via minimal boot which aiui might work even with borked root-fs) | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you flashed a broken kernel though, your chances are small | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, NOLO afaik | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: dunno if NOLO charges battery | 17:45 |
| Schorschl | when i was 8 years old and my gameboy batteries was empty, i put the batteries in my trouser pocket.... after 3 minutes i had 5 more minutes.... but i dont know if this will work for li-io batteries :D | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | LOL | 17:46 |
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| Schorschl | y, a higher battery temperature give some more mV | 17:46 |
| Schorschl | but i don't know for which battery type this would work | 17:47 |
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| achipa | in fact, it's the other way round... if you can't boot, you put your battery in the fridge/cooler :) | 17:48 |
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| Schorschl | this will work for old harddisks :D | 17:49 |
| Schorschl | if the reading head don't move | 17:49 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 17:50 |
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| Schorschl | uhh, now it was in flashing mode... | 17:53 |
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| Schorschl | so, try carging the battery with a desktop charger? | 17:58 |
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| Schorschl | or it's not a ggod idea? | 18:00 |
| Schorschl | DocScrutinizer: ? | 18:01 |
| flux | btw, is it reasonable to do 'emergency' charging of a battery with a laboratory power source? | 18:01 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Schorschl, i use 1.5 buck charger from ebay | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | seems to cut off power when battery is full | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | and it uses a nokia 2mm charger | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | so, yeah, could be safe | 18:03 |
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| Schorschl | i live in germany, it's a bit different to your chargers | 18:04 |
| Schorschl | but how much V and mA i should give to the battery? | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | nope, germany uses the same chargers as ours | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | no idea, have a look at the bottom of a charger | 18:06 |
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| Schorschl | 5V 1200mA thanks :D | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | 5V, 890mA on my 2mm charger | 18:06 |
| odin_ | maybe 1200Ma is a little high ! | 18:06 |
| odin_ | start at 200mA ! | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | default of the original N900 charger | 18:07 |
| Schorschl | usb deliver 500mA | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | my desktop charger only allows 500 | 18:07 |
| odin_ | maybe so but when experimenting best to use low voltage (and wait longer!) | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | use 500 then (ask DocScrutinizer or ShadowJK to be safe) | 18:07 |
| odin_ | opps low amperage | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | umm | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | wait! | 18:07 |
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| Schorschl | 500mA should be good | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | it charges at 100 when flat right? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeh? | 18:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | the emergency charge | 18:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | it charges at 5V | 18:08 |
| odin_ | you dont need to emeergnecy charge it yourself | 18:08 |
| odin_ | you just need to put enough juice in it to charge it normally right ? | 18:08 |
| Schorschl | y | 18:09 |
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| odin_ | so use low mA (compared to normal chargers) and just wait a little longer | 18:09 |
| Schorschl | 100mA ? | 18:09 |
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| odin_ | 100mA for 60 minutes should give you plenty to charge it normally | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | emergency charge charges @500mA if charger gets detected | 18:10 |
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| Schorschl | then i can load the battery with power from usb | 18:11 |
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| odin_ | what is the mAH capacaity anyway? | 18:11 |
| Schorschl | thats 100mA and 5V | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *can* charge this type of LiIon with up to ~2A, but you MUST use a charger circuit that either limits charge voltage to 4.20V, or even stops charging on more complex criteria | 18:12 |
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| Schorschl | the battery ha 4.9mWH | 18:12 |
| odin_ | and at 2.1A is makes a good firework huh! | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | using a lab PSU may be possible and safe, if you limit voltage to 4.20V and current to 2A, better 1A | 18:12 |
| mintux | can I define socket proxy for browser ? | 18:13 |
| Schorschl | the battery has 3 pins, first ist +, second is - right? | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:13 |
| odin_ | still think its way too high Amps to just put a little juice in it to be able to use a proper charger, the higher the Amps the less room you have for errors | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's written on the battery afaik | 18:13 |
| Schorschl | ok, then i can charge it from usb power | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why do you think that's OK? | 18:14 |
| Schorschl | usb give 5V and 100mA | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 18:14 |
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| Schorschl | if the device ask the host, it will receive 500mA | 18:15 |
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| Schorschl | usb 2.0 specs | 18:15 |
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| odin_ | but batt is dead, so no power up, so no USB driver, so no ask host | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5V is way too high voltage, and USB can give anything from 100mA (even 0mA) to ~2A, depending on USB source | 18:15 |
| odin_ | hence the needs to emergency charge it, so it can then be charged properly | 18:15 |
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| odin_ | maybe the NOLO driver should be able to charge at 100mA and flash the light to say its doing it | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: that's nonsense (the USB specs wrt 100mA/500mA) that's minimum, not real life | 18:16 |
| Schorschl | odin_ : i have a usb cable with two wires | 18:16 |
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| odin_ | it is a min you are right | 18:16 |
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| odin_ | but most USB Also has "current limiting" devices to stop one device bringing down the host | 18:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs and wishes "happy fireworks" | 18:16 | |
| Schorschl | ok, i'll use my multimeter before charging the battery | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, use it a last time n your life ;-P | 18:17 |
| Schorschl | cause i have no charger with open wires | 18:17 |
| odin_ | if you have lab PSU I presume you have lab meter for volts/amps so this shoulds better than USB | 18:17 |
| odin_ | unless you are using proper USB lead | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you guys are nuts | 18:18 |
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| Schorschl | but how can that happen? | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl needs a pretty much 100% charged battery to reflash his borked kernel/rootfs | 18:19 |
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| odin_ | fireworks you mean ? | 18:19 |
| Schorschl | no, that deadlock | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I STRONGLY DISCURRAGE you to try and charge a LiIon to full by such crude means | 18:20 |
| odin_ | put your lab goggle on your head, turn up the LAB PSU to max, hook it up and give it 30 seconds | 18:20 |
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| odin_ | no one talked of full charges just an emergency charge to get a proper charger going | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | odin_: his proper charger IS BORKED | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | emergency charge would be handled by N900 quite nicely :-S | 18:21 |
| odin_ | maybe put it in the microwave for 3 minutes, 800watts, that should do it | 18:21 |
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| Schorschl | lunchtime | 18:22 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, I use pecan, and there's some in my house, so yeah i guess i'm nuts | 18:22 |
| * odin_ wonders what Schorschl is cooking for lunch | 18:22 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | odin_: no destructive advice please! rm -rf or microwave are usually a kickban | 18:22 |
| odin_ | he asked how fireworks can happen, I cited 2 cases | 18:23 |
| Schorschl | come on. no one is so stupid ... | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that was pretty unclear | 18:23 |
| Schorschl | nobody put his battery in a microwave | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd be surprised, and you've been warned | 18:24 |
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| odin_ | well the convo was between me and him (not me and you) so providing he did not get confused, does it matter it wasn't unclear to you ? | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | yes, he's an op | 18:24 |
| Schorschl | ok, crazy physics... buy no normal human | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, odin_ - the convo was public in this IRC chan | 18:24 |
| Schorschl | *but | 18:25 |
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| smoku | DocScrutinizer: does "/disco lights on" count? :) | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, you've been warned | 18:25 |
| Schorschl | guys it was a joke and everybody understand it | 18:26 |
| Schorschl | and i have no microwave :( | 18:26 |
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| odin_ | why is asking about PR1.2 a kicking offence also? how about asking about PR1.3 ? | 18:26 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I do, shall I tape my N900 there? | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: you don't understand you can't simply say everybody understood | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | odin_, now you're pushing it ;) | 18:26 |
| odin_ | hehe | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | Schorschl, someone fell for it on our server :) | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | we ended up having to tell him how to get / back | 18:27 |
| fcrozat | PR1.2 is like Fight Club :) | 18:27 |
| * fcrozat hides | 18:27 | |
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| Schorschl | DocScrutinizer: yes, but this people aren't able to join an irc chat :D | 18:28 |
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| Schorschl | but i understand | 18:28 |
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| Schorschl | -.- | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | sigh | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | silly people, will you go have a beer, it's a beautiful friday out | 18:29 |
| odin_ | guys I don't know what is worst, a convo about PR1.2 or kiddies playing IRC chan ops games | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | mkick would be a bad typo in here | 18:29 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG_: probably | 18:29 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG_: luckily, I don't think we have those bindings | 18:29 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lemme try? :P | 18:30 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: going for wine tasting in about an hour | 18:30 |
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| MohammadAG_ | /kick crashanddie i'm tempted | 18:30 |
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| Treibholz | wine on arm? | 18:30 |
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| Schorschl | why u use op status to kick? | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I think MohammadAG_ has long deserved to receive op rights on #maemo | 18:31 |
| Schorschl | !k user reason | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | Schorschl: because you can't kick otherwise? | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | Schorschl: doesn't work | 18:31 |
| odin_ | Schorschl, anyhow, if you don't have a proper way to change it up (i.e. your N900 OS works if only if had battery power, but it wont boot to charge because batt is too flat) then you are never going to achieve a full charge on a make shift USB or LAB PSU | 18:31 |
| Schorschl | uhh, bad chanserv | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | Schorschl: no, safe chanserv | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | Schorschl: chanserv is here to protect the channel, not "play kick" | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: me out for a nice beer in a minute | 18:31 |
| Schorschl | !up and !down are better? :D | 18:31 |
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| crashanddie | !up | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | just fix hostmode before I do ;-P | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | !kick Schorschl trying out his advice | 18:32 |
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| crashanddie | Schorschl: good chanserv. | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | Schorschl: please don't try to school people on how to use IRC if you don't know the specifics of a network, kthxbai | 18:32 |
| odin_ | Schorschl, if however you have a way to charge it up (USB lead to PC or proper charger, and the N900 OS is good, rootfs ok and such) then 100mA at a correct voltage should be fine to achieve a good enough charge to do it normally | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | odin_: his N900 WILL NOT charge, even when properly booted | 18:32 |
| Schorschl | crashanddie: i dont school u i only asked^^ | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that 100mA thing is done by N900 in hardware - not the problem here | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: btw, the only reason I kicked you was because I wanted to kick odin | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: he's been trolling for quite some time | 18:33 |
| leino | I have some problems with "dpkg -i x.deb --root=/usr/x", here is the output: http://pastebin.com/Vc89Z31y | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: ooh, so it was a typo ;-P | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: no, you stole my kick | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 18:34 |
| Schorschl | sounds like HoN players :D | 18:35 |
| Schorschl | or Dota | 18:35 |
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| crashanddie | Schorschl: please English speaking proprietly | 18:36 |
| odin_ | I thought there was a "sprint" on for hostmode ! going fast are we ? :P | 18:36 |
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| Schorschl | crashanddie : theese are game names | 18:37 |
| * odin_ thinks you must be really fast (if you can play kick games on #maemo) | 18:37 | |
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| crashanddie | ~dict theese | 18:37 |
| infobot | could not find definition for theese | 18:37 |
| Schorschl | HoN = Heroes of Newerth | 18:38 |
| mintux | n900 display is led or lcd ? | 18:38 |
| Schorschl | nice game | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | DOTA = Domination on Thy Ass? | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | mintux: LCD | 18:38 |
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| Schorschl | dota = defence of the alliance | 18:38 |
| Schorschl | like this | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | oh, that stupid war3 mod? | 18:39 |
| timeless | trizt: found my bug | 18:40 |
| Schorschl | yes, but HoN is a better version of dota | 18:40 |
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| timeless | i have an app /usr/sbin/translatins-locale1 | 18:40 |
| timeless | it expects verb noun | 18:40 |
| crashanddie | Schorschl: "better version" and "dota" in the same sentence is really impossible | 18:41 |
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| Schorschl | i don't think so^^ | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 18:41 |
| timeless | but /usr/bin/pick-locale-*1 call it w/ noun verb | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | i'm a gamer (kind of), never heard of both | 18:41 |
| Schorschl | but i leave u now :D driving home and cook some "gadgets" :D | 18:41 |
| timeless | verb noun is correct, i'll fix it sunday | 18:42 |
| timeless | it's a trivial fix in activate_locale | 18:42 |
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| MohammadAG_ | what happened to the _mbp? | 18:42 |
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| timeless | it' at home charging | 18:43 |
| timeless | .me is walking home | 18:43 |
| * timeless sighs | 18:43 | |
| odin_ | s/walking/wobbling/ | 18:43 |
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| * timeless shrugs | 18:43 | |
| * timeless gets to climb to the fifth floor | 18:44 | |
| * timeless ascends | 18:44 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | priviet | 18:44 |
| * timeless is of course using an n900.. | 18:44 | |
| lcuk2 | timeless, up the stairs? | 18:45 |
| lcuk2 | i always lose connectivity in the lifts | 18:45 |
| timeless | no choice here | 18:45 |
| lcuk2 | ahh | 18:45 |
| odin_ | what floor are you on now ? and is it the same department ? | 18:45 |
| Corsac | arf | 18:45 |
| * timeless sits and stretches toes | 18:45 | |
| Corsac | google.com = no productivity for now | 18:46 |
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| timeless | odin: it is rather my apartment | 18:46 |
| lcuk2 | Corsac, omg is that just javascript | 18:46 |
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| odin_ | great, all that moving of crap and junk this weekend :) | 18:47 |
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| mintux | my battery low soon and I know because of wife . but if I enable power save and in it be in max my connection lost ( means not different between disconnect) so what the best option for my connection works and my battery take long time to be low | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Get a router that properly supports powersaving. | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | With mine, it lasts >140 hours. | 18:56 |
| lcuk2 | mintux, lower the screen brightness, dont install/run heavy apps which drain batter, be consdervative, make sure your wifi router is correctly supporting power save | 18:56 |
| lcuk2 | etc | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | (140 hours standby, connected to wifi powersaving router) | 18:57 |
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| odin_ | is there a simple test to check it supports it ? | 18:57 |
| mintux | SpeedEvil: what do you mean router ( I have access point or router here ) | 18:58 |
| odin_ | I guess mine does not as almost 6 days of idle handset seems a bit high for my expectations of my N900 | 18:58 |
| mintux | I have linksys WAG54G2 | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | What you connect to with wifi. | 18:58 |
| mintux | I have dsl modem that it's access point too linksys WAG54G2 | 18:58 |
| mintux | and router | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Mine is a crappy Dynamode RADSL-C4w thing | 18:59 |
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| mintux | so does it has special configuration for this point ? | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | mintux: More modern routers tend to support powersave better. | 18:59 |
| odin_ | for me I have a stand alone WLAN AP, Belkin F5D7130 2115UK | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | If yours does not, then you can see dropped connections, if you enable maximum power saving. | 19:00 |
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| odin_ | I never see dropped connections, my SSHs to handset have been open days (maybe weeks), but I don't necessarily have any power saving enabled on anything | 19:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Actually - checking logs - it was looking more like >125 hours, not >140 | 19:02 |
| mintux | no my connection doesn't lost . but in phone ( in powersave mod and maximum power . noy anypage open or local computer ) my setting is 10mw and power saving is on(intermediate) what does that means? | 19:02 |
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| mintux | 10mw and 100mv | 19:03 |
| odin_ | just TCP Keepalives in use here, no SSH ServerAliveInterval here | 19:03 |
| mintux | intermediate and maximum | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | 10mw/100mW is the power the mobile transmits over wifi at. It's irrelevant to standby times. | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | intermediate is halfway | 19:03 |
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| mintux | 10mw is better for power saving ? | 19:04 |
| mintux | if I choose maximum my speed will be very low not different by disconnect | 19:04 |
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| mintux | and what is wpa2-only mode ? | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | b-man|laptop, ping? | 19:05 |
| odin_ | also there is no other WLAN activity here, so don't really understand this WLAN power save concept, how does the N900 power save when it needs to listen for a wake up, is it a store-forward poll situation? | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | mintux, it uses WPA2 only | 19:05 |
| mintux | does security has effect on power saving ? | 19:06 |
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| flashn | mintux, good question, short answer: no | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: yes | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: The router stores packets for the n900 for a few hundred ms. | 19:08 |
| tripzero | http://blog.vlingo.com/2009/09/nokia-users-download-vlingo-today.html | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: For example pinging the n900 when it's in maximum powersaving you get a rtt like 100/200/250 | 19:09 |
| tripzero | not for n900? | 19:09 |
| odin_ | Im not sure my cheap-ass Belkin AP has much memory to do that, even if my N900 is the only WLAN user/device | 19:09 |
| mintux | flashn:so what the wpa2 in the option if not different ? | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: It only buffers a few packets | 19:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | odin_: If there are more, it wakes the modem up all the way and keeps it on | 19:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | odin_: But the n900 normally just wakes the reciever for a couple of milliseconds every 250 or so, which saves _enormously_ on power. | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | (in max powersave) | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | every 250ms? | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | shutting it down and waking it up saves battery? | 19:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:12 |
| odin_ | so it can power save by shutting WLAN down multiple times per second ? I wonder if it can power same some more by making it once in 3 seconds but using a SOCK5 proxy to fully buffer | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Wlan on - recieving - uses _lots_ of power. 1/6th or so of the battery an hour. | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: In principle yes. | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: But normal idle standby is around 1/200th of the battery an hour. Implementing complex stuff to go from 140 hours standby to 180 or so - is of dubious merit. | 19:13 |
| Trizt | timeless; cool, I guess there will be an update during the weekend? | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | For 3G - if you did the same sort of thing - but with a 60s poll - this would also save lots of battery. | 19:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah | 19:16 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm done for today/tomorrow | 19:16 |
| * Trizt nods | 19:16 | |
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| timeless_mbp | it means that you should be able to do: sudo /usr/sbin/translations-locale1 install en_GB | 19:17 |
| timeless_mbp | later... | 19:17 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; taking the tram home and drinking a beer at the bar? ;) | 19:17 |
| Trizt | okey, thought you was getting a bit lazy time | 19:18 |
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| mintux | MohammadAG_: it seems you installed l a lot app but what do you you do with rootfs . mine is full . if I enable repository I can not install software.its so bad because im a developer and linux user and I would like to use linux facilities every where but I limited with this and use my tablet as phone only and not any more | 19:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | mintux: how long have you had the phone? | 19:20 |
| mintux | 4 days | 19:20 |
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| mintux | :-D | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - have you been installing anything not through the application manager? | 19:20 |
| mintux | SpeedEvil: no I installed from app manager in devel and testing repo | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | It's probable that you've installed a broken package that uses lots of space in / | 19:21 |
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| mintux | what can I know they are broken package ? each package I installed work correctly | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I would suggest uninstalling some apps, then install gnu findutils | 19:22 |
| dfaure | is there a pac-man clone for the n810? | 19:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | then /usr/bin/gnu/find / -mount -size +100k -mtime -5 | 19:22 |
| mintux | SpeedEvil: what does gnu findutils do ? | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | - list all files on the root that are newer than 5 days and over 100k | 19:22 |
| ohwhyme | hi speedevil how are you today | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: Somewhat stinky. | 19:23 |
| ohwhyme | yummy lol | 19:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have been removing about a hundred gallons of sludge from the bottom of my pond. | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | The stuff that won't pump - with the consistency of vomit. | 19:23 |
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| dfaure | SpeedEvil: tonight: porridge :-) | 19:24 |
| ohwhyme | :o | 19:25 |
| ohwhyme | sounds like you've had a long day | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | dfaure: Tonight - roast pork, apple sauce and potatos. | 19:25 |
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| mintux | SpeedEvil: doesn't work http://codepad.org/MhA6ULr5 | 19:29 |
| leino | ok people, I have now unpacked some stuff in /opt/ghc6 | 19:30 |
| leino | I now want to be able to run it, so I guess I should add symlinks like "/x -> /opt/ghc6/x" for all files and dirs x in /opt/ghc6 | 19:31 |
| opdf2 | hows the a2dp streaming on the n900? stable? | 19:31 |
| valdyn | leino: why arent you using debians ghc6? | 19:31 |
| ohwhyme | yea using it right now with bh503 | 19:31 |
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| opdf2 | I'm about to pull the trigger on car head unit bluetooth adapter for a2dp | 19:32 |
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| leino | valdyn: I am but I had trouble installing the .deb with the option --installdir=/opt/ghc6, so I used a script that turns .deb's into .tar.gz's | 19:32 |
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| leino | and then unpacked it manually into /opt/ghc6 | 19:32 |
| opdf2 | ohwhyme: Â sound quality good? | 19:32 |
| valdyn | leino: thats a fucked up idea | 19:32 |
| valdyn | leino: whats wrong with the stock debian package? | 19:32 |
| ohwhyme | its mediocre | 19:32 |
| leino | well, the --instdir didnt work :) | 19:33 |
| ohwhyme | nothing compared to jh16 pros | 19:33 |
| opdf2 | better than FM transmitter? | 19:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.christopherkois.com/%3Fp%3D448&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=lR&sa=G&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&strip=1 | 19:33 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 19:33 | |
| valdyn | leino: you should not use that switch | 19:33 |
| leino | Imma quote myself: | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Encryption - why my 5 year old can do it! | 19:33 |
| leino | "I have some problems with "dpkg -i x.deb --root=/usr/x", here is the output: http://pastebin.com/Vc89Z31y" | 19:33 |
| leino | noone said anything, so I proceeded with my fucked up idea | 19:34 |
| valdyn | leino: why are you not just running "dpkg -i x.deb" ? | 19:34 |
| valdyn | leino: or aptitude install ghc6 ? | 19:34 |
| leino | because my /usr is out of space | 19:34 |
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| valdyn | leino: so fix the obvious issue instead of using hacks that would not work | 19:34 |
| leino | valdyn: repartition? | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | playing pacman on google is fun XD | 19:35 |
| valdyn | leino: the dpkg switches you used are used for bootstrapping debian, not to install on a running system | 19:35 |
| dfaure | MohammadAG_: yeah but now my wife wants a pacman app for her N810, and I can't find any | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | swf? | 19:35 |
| leino | valdyn: bootstrapping? | 19:35 |
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| valdyn | leino: installing debian | 19:35 |
| leino | valdyn: ok.. | 19:36 |
| leino | valdyn: what did you mean by 'obvious issue'? | 19:36 |
| valdyn | leino: you can probably fix the partition size without repartitioning, i cant know | 19:36 |
| valdyn | leino: the obvious issue is that /usr is out of space, that issue needs to be fixed | 19:36 |
| leino | valdyn: yeah, my first thought was "if this was an ordinary linux box, I would re-install and partition in a non-retarded way" | 19:37 |
| valdyn | leino: that is what im saying: You dont need to reinstall, you can fix the /usr issue in several ways | 19:37 |
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| leino | valdyn: ok, new plan: | 19:38 |
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| valdyn | leino: can you reboot btw? | 19:38 |
| leino | step1 - copy the contents of /usr to my laptop somewhere | 19:38 |
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| leino | valdyn: reboot my n900? yeah of course | 19:39 |
| valdyn | leino: uh | 19:39 |
| valdyn | leino: i forgot in which channel i am. There's an optify.sh script in the wiki | 19:39 |
| leino | "the wiki" = wiki.maemo.org? | 19:40 |
| valdyn | leino: yes | 19:40 |
| leino | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 19:41 |
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| RST38h | Starting with Shrek Forever After, three AMC theaters in New York will begin selling $20 adult movie tickets on their IMAX screens. | 19:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | dfaure: i have a stupid suggestion. | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | dfaure: www.google.com - press 'insert coin'. | 19:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's not very playable without the stylus though | 19:47 |
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| MohammadAG | or use the keyboard arrows | 19:48 |
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| leino | valdyn: allright.. at the end of the day /usr is mounted on a partition that only has some 200 MB in total | 19:49 |
| leino | no matter how much I remove, that is not really a satisfactory solution when I have a 26G partition mounted on /home/user/MyDocs | 19:49 |
| valdyn | leino: actually im not seeing my optify.sh script on that page | 19:49 |
| leino | what I am thinking is this: | 19:49 |
| leino | the storage device /dev/mmcblk0 seems to have two partitions | 19:50 |
| leino | /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 19:50 |
| leino | and /dev/mmcblk0p2 | 19:50 |
| valdyn | leino: you can precreate /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1 in order to make dpkg install to a convenient place | 19:50 |
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| leino | so I was thinking to copy everything on /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk0p2 to my laptop.. | 19:50 |
| leino | then repartition so I get /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk0p2 as well as /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 19:51 |
| leino | and then have /usr mounted on /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 19:51 |
| leino | I see no reason why that would fuck anything up, since /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk0p2 would still be there | 19:51 |
| valdyn | leino: right, but i have not tried that | 19:52 |
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| leino | ok, suppose that fucks thing up | 19:52 |
| valdyn | leino: id rather solve just the ghc6 personally | 19:52 |
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| leino | is it easy to re-install maemo or whatever | 19:52 |
| valdyn | leino: you can link or bind mount or if its to big you can use a loopback device in MyDocs | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ah - right - you need to select pointer mode first, and click on the js | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | It's slow with multiple ghosts. | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | i just clicked on it by mistake without pointer mode :p | 19:53 |
| valdyn | leino: i would rather use a loop device than repartition, but up to you | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | err - multiple ghost eyes | 19:53 |
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| valdyn | leino: ( and that loop device not for /usr but just for ghc6 | 19:54 |
| leino | valdyn: that sounds pretty good | 19:54 |
| leino | valdyn: why? | 19:54 |
| leino | why not for all of usr? | 19:54 |
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| valdyn | leino: less risk of breaking anything | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: because it will bork the boot scripts | 19:55 |
| leino | SpeedEvil: did you read my repartition plan? | 19:55 |
| valdyn | leino: i do not believe that maemo follows the rule that /usr cant require stuff needed to boot | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: err - no. | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: The root is not on the mmc | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: it's on the onenand - which is /dev/ubi* IIRC | 19:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | this is a 256M device | 19:56 |
| valdyn | ehe s/require/contain/ | 19:57 |
| leino | ok, so you are saying that while the n900 boots, it doesnt check /usr, rather uses /dev/mmcblk0p2 (on which usr is mounted)? | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: no | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: The mmc is not initially mounted at all. | 19:57 |
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| leino | SpeedEvil: sorry, mmc? | 19:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | ubi0:rootfs / ubifs rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc 0 0 | 19:58 |
| valdyn | leino: your plan breaks when booting needs stuff from /usr before it can be mounted | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | this is not the emmc | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | which is the 32G device | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | the boot device is 256M | 19:58 |
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| MohammadAG | /dev/mtd5 right? | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | mtd something, yes | 19:59 |
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| leino | ok, then there is no way to move /usr to the big device it seems | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /proc/mtd | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: not without screwing with the boot scripts. | 19:59 |
| RST38h | Google might be trying to shake up video on the web by releasing the WebM video format and VP8 codec under a royalty-free open-source license, but we've already heard the format's uncomfortably close relationship to H.264 might cause some patent concerns, and the MPEG-LA, which licenses the H.264 patents, doesn't seem to be sitting still. | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: If you do that, you can. | 19:59 |
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| valdyn | RST38h: old news? | 20:00 |
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| leino | SpeedEvil: do what? | 20:00 |
| valdyn | RST38h: the browser can already be used.. | 20:00 |
| valdyn | err, browsers | 20:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | leino: Screw with the init scripts so they will mount the mmc and /usr before using anything from there. | 20:00 |
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| leino | ok, sounds like fun | 20:00 |
| leino | just for the record, I was under the impression that you have to mount something before you read files from it | 20:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | of course you do. | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meaning by default the scripts may use stuff from /usr before getting to the place where they do. | 20:03 |
| Schorschl|OFF | aww, this is a bad bay... my n900 died, my multimeter is broken and my mailserver crashes every minute ... | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Looking at /etc/init.d/rcS | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl|OFF: Are you having hte problem with it not flashing? | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | It looks like it _might_ work. | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 20:04 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, if I dd /dev/mtd0, what would happen? | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | mtd0 being the bootloader | 20:04 |
| Schorschl | SpeedEvil: the battery is "empty" | 20:04 |
| Schorschl | and now i am in a deadlock | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: Do you have the wallcharger? | 20:05 |
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| Schorschl | yes, but it's so low that the emergency charge wouldn't work | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 20:06 |
| pupnik_ | i would like something simpler to use v4l to stream webcam to friends in irc | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | your kernel is borked, so you can't charge | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | emergency charging should kick in at 0 | 20:06 |
| Schorschl | now i charge the battery directly from a usb port | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: A quick read of /etc/init.d/rcS indicates that simply copying /usr/ to /home/usr - then mv usr usr.o;ln -s /home/usr /usr - might work. | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | O_O | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: Ok - it charges autonomously. | 20:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: However - it will normally automatically start up quite early at 3.3v? and boot into linux, and then enable the charger in the proper mode. | 20:08 |
| Schorschl | not on my device | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | The initial 'NOKIA' screen is under linux, it's not the bootloader. | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not sure what happens if you bork the kernel. | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, no | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | nolo shows NOKIA too | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, again, if I erase /dev/mtd0 would the device become a brick? | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I think so, yes. | 20:09 |
| Schorschl | we will see what happen in 45 minutes^^ | 20:09 |
| leino | SpeedEvil: that looks like its quite easy to undo as well, no? | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Try it. | 20:09 |
| leino | If the thing boots of course | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: Well - yes - flash it. | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: if it doesn't work that is. | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, wise guy eh? :P | 20:09 |
| leino | SpeedEvil: ok, Ive never flashed my n900, but that resets it completely to what it was when I got it? | 20:10 |
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| leino | even if I fuck with partitions? | 20:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | leino: no. | 20:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | leino: It wipes the root filesystem only. /home is left alone. If you backup with the backup app, all that ahppens - pretty much - is that you need to redownload your applications. | 20:11 |
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| leino | aha | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - once you click 'restore') | 20:11 |
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| leino | back to the loop device idea | 20:13 |
| leino | how would that be any different than installing it in /opt/ghc6 ? | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I forgot where you came in. | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | What are you trying to do? | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | You're aware also of easy-debian? | 20:13 |
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| leino | SpeedEvil: I am a total noob, so no | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It sets up a debian chroot | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian | 20:14 |
| LiraNuna | Opera Mobile update? | 20:15 |
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| LiraNuna | anyone has the changelog? | 20:15 |
| leino | SpeedEvil: so it's a variation of debian that "lives" under maemo? | 20:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ileiyes | 20:16 |
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| leino | where is it's /, on the big device? | 20:17 |
| Schorschl | charging the battery for 30 minutes direcly from an usb port is enougth to boot the system? | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | should be | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: ? | 20:19 |
| leino | ok, easy debian doesn't seem super awesome to me | 20:19 |
| leino | dont think I want it | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: ah - it's ina loopback on mydocs | 20:19 |
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| Schorschl | jacekowski: : but not usb -> n900 -> battery i charge: usb -> battery :D | 20:19 |
| leino | SpeedEvil: but you were talking about how you would install stuff (like ghc6 in my case) if you were out of space on /usr | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: No, I wasn't. | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | leino: The correct solution is to fix the packages that are using up space on /. I was discussing hypothetical ways of moving /usr. | 20:20 |
| leino | oh darn, that was valdyn | 20:20 |
| leino | sorry | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: stop asking stupid questions! You can not charge a battery from a USB port | 20:21 |
| leino | SpeedEvil: look /usr is mounted on a device with like 200M | 20:21 |
| leino | to get haskell running, that alone will be around 100M | 20:21 |
| leino | theres no way | 20:21 |
| microlith | that's what /opt is for, or a loopback on MyDocs | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: I explained to you quite epically | 20:22 |
| leino | sooner or later, / run out of space | 20:22 |
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| leino | microlith: I was trying the /opt idea, but I couldnt get it to work | 20:22 |
| Schorschl | DocScrutinizer : maybe i don't understand you. my english is worse :D | 20:22 |
| leino | microlith: any tutorials on how to install stuff in /opt, that expects to be installed in /usr | 20:23 |
| leino | ? | 20:23 |
| LiraNuna | so no one noticed about Opera Mobile update on N900? :P | 20:23 |
| LiraNuna | s/about/the/ | 20:23 |
| infobot | LiraNuna meant: so no one noticed the Opera Mobile update on N900? :P | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: once again: NEVER charge a LiIon with a power supply giving more than 4.20Volt! | 20:23 |
| microlith | leino: there's a guide to optification on the maemo.org wiki, but if things are hard-coded to expect being in /usr... | 20:23 |
| Schorschl | ups | 20:24 |
| leino | microlith: exactly, then what? | 20:24 |
| RST38h | Doc: You really DO want to make him try that though, right? | 20:24 |
| leino | then you do a lot of symlinks? | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooking the LiIon cell to a USB VBUS with 5V may explode the cell | 20:25 |
| microlith | fix the software? hard coded paths are bad to begin with | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Symlinks are not bad. | 20:25 |
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| leino | SpeedEvil: someone here called that idea crazy | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: There are 'USB chargers' which charge any battery. | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Schorschl: They are of debatable overall safety, but not terrible to just use to get it charged once, for no more than an hour | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | but they got additional electronics to guarantee the 4V2 condition | 20:26 |
| Schorschl | yay, the emergency light is on now :D | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | In theory. :) | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | battery empty | 20:26 |
| * MohammadAG times | 20:26 | |
| Schorschl | now it works ! :D | 20:27 |
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| Schorschl | and when the yellow light begins to flash, it's charging 'normally' ? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:28 |
| Schorschl | good | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | keep it charging til "green" | 20:28 |
| Schorschl | good idea^^ | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | if the steady yellow stops after 32 minutes, unplug and replug the charger | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | if the yellow steady begins to flash, just keep it charging | 20:29 |
| Schorschl | hope it will help | 20:30 |
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| Schorschl | wow, the xkcd from wednesday is nice :D | 20:31 |
| leino | interesting: http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9ARepartition%20the%20Nokia%20N900.html (hope the link works) | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | if the device eventually boots to full system, it might be a good idea to switch it "off" and just have the yellow blinking light | 20:31 |
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| Schorschl | DocScrutinizer: ok | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - right - see http://books.google.com/books?id=bkOMDgwFA28C&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=hfe+nanoamp*&source=bl&ots=F2fjTI81Uq&sig=FXJWYUP0hk0J2atQvP1Z9SOlNqM&hl=en&ei=WMH2S9GcJ4T20gT-j-3pBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (rationale: your system might have some runaway processes that consume more power than he charger is providing, so your battery gets empty instead of full) | 20:33 |
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| Schorschl | DocScrutinizer : but how can this deadlock happen? i was listening to music (without any charger) and suddenly (without a notice) the system goes down | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: no idea | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: usually you just plug in the wallcharger and battery recovers nicely | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Schorschl: maybe your battery is worn or broken | 20:35 |
| Schorschl | yes, but i was at work and my chargers were at home | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you hooked it up to your PC and tried to enter NOLO flashing mode? ("u") | 20:36 |
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| Schorschl | no, in my break i went home to get it | 20:37 |
| Schorschl | cause the battery was empty^^ | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I seem to remember something about "holding 'u' didn't help" | 20:37 |
| Schorschl | y, i went home to get the charger and the usb cable | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing mode doesn't charge, and it's not quite clear if it discharges battery beyond all sane limits | 20:38 |
| Schorschl | it's 19:27 here | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, here it's 19:38 | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so DocScrutinizer is away for dinner | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wave. | 20:39 |
| Schorschl | aww ntp don't run | 20:39 |
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| MohammadAG | which is package is the module glib in? | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | python | 20:46 |
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| kevloral | Hi all | 20:49 |
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| Schorschl | DocScrutinizer: led is off... reconnected the charger, but nothing happen | 21:02 |
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| dfaure | SpeedEvil: playing pacman on google.com will only work for today or so ;-) | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | i'll wget the site | 21:03 |
| Shapeshifter | huh. I just looked at theme making and it's a huge joke :o | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 21:04 |
| Shapeshifter | and I imagined you'd just write a gtkrc. | 21:04 |
| Shapeshifter | but there's a png for like every possible button. of course all look somewhat the same but... | 21:04 |
| lcuk | l33t ninjamagic skills required | 21:04 |
| lcuk | you could just grab thememaker thingy | 21:04 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah that simplifies it. | 21:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | but again, some very odd design choices here | 21:05 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.google.com/logos/js/pacman10-hp.2.js | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | having live google main page is a downer for me, i hope this does not become a common occurance | 21:06 |
| Shapeshifter | I haven't visited the google main page in ages | 21:07 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, you can always disable javascript | 21:07 |
| lcuk | its set as homepage atm | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | or use lmgtfy.com | 21:07 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, sure i could | 21:07 |
| lcuk | but that just complicates places where i want it | 21:08 |
| lcuk | google pride themselves on simple clutter free page | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, lmgtfy.com then :P | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, thats worse it has a big fat advert | 21:08 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, adblock + | 21:09 |
| lcuk | thats actually more annoying | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 21:09 |
| lcuk | adblock doesnt help either ;) i dont mind adverts :) | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | i hate adverts | 21:09 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: single digit hotkey | 21:09 |
| Shapeshifter | g something | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | well, not normal adverts | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | full screen adverts | 21:09 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, its for the rest of google | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | the ones that cover the whole page | 21:10 |
| lcuk | not specifically the seach | 21:10 |
| Shapeshifter | ah you have the igoogle thing | 21:10 |
| lcuk | i could just make a custom html | 21:10 |
| lcuk | but its meh | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it's only one day | 21:10 |
| lcuk | infact the html will be better anyway | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | and it's a friday | 21:10 |
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| MohammadAG | bacon? :P | 21:10 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> having live google main page is a downer for me, i hope this does not become a common occurance | 21:10 |
| dfaure | the best way to use google is "gg:foo" in konqueror, then you don't need a main page at all | 21:11 |
| lcuk | how do i get to news? or mil? or maps? or images? or video? | 21:11 |
| * lcuk will just make custom one | 21:11 | |
| Shapeshifter | gn, gm, gi, gv | 21:11 |
| dfaure | (ggi for images) | 21:12 |
| lcuk | cmon, i still type "dir" into the linux console | 21:12 |
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| * Shapeshifter bets that there are custom one available already | 21:12 | |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: xD | 21:12 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, custom will be better anyway | 21:12 |
| lcuk | always offline :) | 21:13 |
| lcuk | unless i drag it from liqbase.net .. mm | 21:13 |
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| frals | bah, any decent ide for doing qt programming on windows? qt creator seems kinda.. lacking | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | switch to linux and get... Qt creator | 21:15 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: well what do you want to do? | 21:15 |
| frals | or do i expect too much when i expect changes in header file to propagate to the source? | 21:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh an IDE I see | 21:15 |
| Shapeshifter | eclipse runs on windows, doesn't it. | 21:16 |
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| frals | ah, good point | 21:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | I'd stick to the editor, but hey... | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | frals, QfMMS? :) | 21:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | frals: but why windows, anyway? | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | he's a gamer (lame excuse :p) | 21:17 |
| Shapeshifter | ah. well for that I also have windows... | 21:17 |
| frals | Shapeshifter: because i play games and booting just to play is.. :P | 21:17 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh | 21:17 |
| BCMM | ... still more convenient than an xbox | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | frals, get a console, PCs suck for gaming | 21:18 |
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| MohammadAG | PS3 ftw! | 21:18 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: what if one enjoys FPS? | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | I play CoD | 21:18 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: you'd find yourself going "meh, not worth to boot into windows now just to play some shit" and as such would waste less time on gaming ;) | 21:18 |
| Shapeshifter | it happened to me | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | I hate fpss on PCs | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | too many keys | 21:18 |
| Shapeshifter | consoles ftl. | 21:18 |
| BCMM | ok, what if one likes turning around? | 21:18 |
| frals | Shapeshifter: id boot windows and then go "meh, not worth to boot to linux since i can just open putty" ;-) | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | move right analog stick? | 21:18 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: ;) | 21:19 |
| frals | MohammadAG: "too many keys" <- lol :D | 21:19 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: lol aiming on the console | 21:19 |
| wall[e] | need more 3d game | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | i always hit b instead of v on cod on a pc | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | and therefore, I get knifed and not the opposite | 21:19 |
| * Shapeshifter laughs at how most games even ship with an aim bot because it's impossible to aim properly for yourself with these sticks | 21:19 | |
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| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, aiming is epic | 21:19 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: map b to v? | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | it needs skill | 21:20 |
| BCMM | i was gonna say, don't pretty much all console FPSs use autoaim of some sort? | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | ... | 21:20 |
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| wall[e] | anyone want to do sokoban 3d? | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, I'd hit v | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: it needs an aimbot | 21:20 |
| wall[e] | bah, must be boring.. | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: map them both to knifes. | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | sharpneli, i'd hit m | 21:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | ,,, | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, * | 21:20 |
| frals | MohammadAG: i see little point buying a console for xxx € when i got a 360 controller to my pc and can pretty much anything :p | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | sorry sharpneli | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | frals, you can't play exclusives | 21:21 |
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| MohammadAG | killzone was an epic fps | 21:21 |
| wall[e] | may be mahjongg 3d | 21:21 |
| Shapeshifter | those who make exclusives need to be shot | 21:21 |
| Shapeshifter | suckers, seriously. | 21:21 |
| Shapeshifter | sell outs | 21:21 |
| Shapeshifter | -.- | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | MGS4 was an epic TPS | 21:21 |
| frals | MohammadAG: yeah, but not worth the cash for a console | 21:21 |
| wall[e] | with bullet rigit body physics when the game upsets you | 21:21 |
| frals | i do however have the original xbox somewhere around here | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | frals, well my PC is running on software emulation cause of a borked graphics card | 21:22 |
| frals | mostly because it was a decent media center | 21:22 |
| BCMM | there have been some amazing games that just wouldn't be workable on a console | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | the N900's browser renders faster than the PS3's faster :P | 21:22 |
| Shapeshifter | or strategy games... | 21:22 |
| BCMM | Deus Ex, for example | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | browser* | 21:22 |
| dfaure | frals: yeah you expect too much, I don't know any IDE which propagates changes from .h to .cpp. On the other hand, both xemacs and qtcreator (with creator-plugins installed) have support for generating the implementation in the .cpp file from the method decl in the .h | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | I hate RPGs, deeply :) | 21:23 |
| lcuk | MSG on n900? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:23 |
| Shapeshifter | consoles are pointless | 21:23 |
| BCMM | Shapeshifter: i wouldn't own one myself, but i wouldn't go that far | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, you're pointless | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | nou | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | no, YOU | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | I can aim perfectly fine on my PS3 | 21:24 |
| frals | dfaure: alright, cheers.. seems like an obvious feature for me but otoh ive not done any c++ coding | 21:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: right. | 21:24 |
| * lcuk deletes it | 21:24 | |
| lcuk | theres gotta be an element of surprise | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 21:24 |
| dfaure | frals: obvious to the user, but definitely not to the implementor ;) | 21:24 |
| dfaure | frals: c++ is a very difficult language to parse. | 21:25 |
| BCMM | now i think about it, windows XP on modern hardware boots at a comparable speed to an xbox360 | 21:25 |
| dfaure | (plus method overloading means that it is actually valid to have two methods with the same name and different argument types) | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | shoot yourself in the foot, it hurts less than C++ | 21:25 |
| BCMM | (if you have basically only games installed, and no startup stuff) | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, well, the xbox is meh :) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | they were right with CFront | 21:25 |
| lcuk | what C++ is today is mega convoluted | 21:26 |
| E0x | http://alban.apinc.org/blog/2010/05/21/your-contacts-on-a-map-with-your-n900/ | 21:26 |
| E0x | nice one | 21:26 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: picking on that cause i've never actually seen a ps3 | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | err | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | you're missing out | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | ask crash | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | bah, he's offline | 21:26 |
| BCMM | E0x: awesome/creepy | 21:27 |
| BCMM | i presume one can specify *which* contacts get it, right? | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | google-y | 21:27 |
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| E0x | BCMM: or just turn it off | 21:28 |
| BCMM | E0x: yeah, but then it isn't useful :) | 21:28 |
| E0x | maybe some button like : Steal mode : ON/OFF | 21:28 |
| wall[e] | i used to play megadrive | 21:28 |
| wall[e] | that was the last console i played | 21:28 |
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| wall[e] | i love a game called herzog | 21:29 |
| E0x | BCMM: yes i saw you point | 21:29 |
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| wall[e] | i wish i can port it to 3d for maemo | 21:29 |
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| MohammadAG | wall[e], use PicoDrive | 21:29 |
| pupnik_ | cool E0x ty | 21:30 |
| wall[e] | MohammadAG, been playing the game already. | 21:30 |
| wall[e] | but now i want 3d version | 21:30 |
| wall[e] | herzog is like the first rts | 21:30 |
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| wall[e] | and its concept is still very cool. | 21:30 |
| wall[e] | i never saw the game with similar concepts | 21:30 |
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| wall[e] | you are transformer like robot, flying around giving orders to units, sieging bases, building army | 21:31 |
| wall[e] | you cant order unit directly, must use the robot to pick the unit up and give it order | 21:31 |
| wall[e] | robot can fight directly with enemy units | 21:32 |
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| wall[e] | herzog zwei | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen noobmonk3y | 21:33 |
| infobot | noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-181-7-164.range86-181.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 23h 54m 47s ago, saying: 'ie it wasnt working, but randomly fixed to get it working ;)'. | 21:33 |
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| wall[e] | if someone want to program for me i'll do the model! | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, did you notice how he disappeared after the xxx incident? :) | 21:33 |
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| wall[e] | coz i don't know c++... | 21:34 |
| pupnik_ | i miss all the fun incidents | 21:35 |
| wall[e] | and all 3d engine except mine were c++ | 21:35 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, ? xxx incident | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, twitter | 21:35 |
| wall[e] | and python | 21:35 |
| * wall[e] wonders why people love horrible languages. | 21:36 | |
| pupnik_ | wall[e]: do you know any good non-realtime-strategy games? | 21:36 |
| wall[e] | pupnik_, beside freeciv ? no | 21:36 |
| mikhas | wall[e], to show how awesome we are, that is why | 21:36 |
| wall[e] | mikhas, indeed | 21:36 |
| wall[e] | but anyone who love rts should play herzog once | 21:37 |
| wall[e] | if it released today it will sell like hell | 21:37 |
| wall[e] | nobody got the idea what rts were at its time | 21:37 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, link or context plx | 21:37 |
| lcuk | plz | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, /msg'd it :P | 21:38 |
| wall[e] | i thought people randomly complain about ppl usage | 21:39 |
| wall[e] | why is that? | 21:39 |
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| wall[e] | oh herzog oh | 21:40 |
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| * wall[e] gets back to works. | 21:40 | |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:41 |
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| pupnik_ | enjoy wall[e] | 21:43 |
| wall[e] | i have an idea | 21:43 |
| wall[e] | i think maemo need 3d h-game to attract more h-dev | 21:44 |
| E0x | the gps don't work without a internet connection ? | 21:44 |
| wall[e] | i'll do graphics if anyone want to code | 21:44 |
| * wall[e] goes dig mscim | 21:45 | |
| mikhas | E0x, there are two gps modes, one is network discovery | 21:45 |
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| mikhas | you can configure that somewhere | 21:46 |
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| lcuk | wall[e], whats a 3d h-game and whats h-dev? | 21:46 |
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| wall[e] | lcuk, hentai game | 21:46 |
| lcuk | of course | 21:46 |
| pupnik_ | wow, first pandora has shipped | 21:47 |
| E0x | mikhas: when i use the tracker widget gps-data-logger i saw the icon of location blinking but never stop blinking | 21:47 |
| pupnik_ | faith. in action. | 21:47 |
| wall[e] | will porno app got in to repos? | 21:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | E0x: Sometimes the GPS does not get a lock | 21:49 |
| wall[e] | or should there be an age qualified repo? | 21:49 |
| lcuk | wall[e], make one and find out | 21:50 |
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| wall[e] | yeh, interesting idea. | 21:50 |
| E0x | SpeedEvil: with mapper app and internet conection i get lock fast ( i mean the icon of location stop blink ) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | i bet it would go in,out,in,out,in,out of the repository | 21:51 |
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| wall[e] | heh | 21:51 |
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| mirr0r | logout | 21:52 |
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| RST38h | ...If that fails, the vessel will move on to a 'junk shot' that involves spewing larger debris like shredded rubber and golf balls into the lines to gum up the flow and stop it... | 21:54 |
| wall[e] | may be uikit clone can attract some people to port their iphone app? | 21:55 |
| wall[e] | i doubt that... | 21:55 |
| wall[e] | 3 guys at most | 21:55 |
| lcuk | wall[e], you really have to apply some context links when you waffle about random stuff | 21:55 |
| RST38h | Jaaksi wearing a black turtleneck might just do the job | 21:55 |
| lcuk | RST38h, BP have really screwed up with that havent they | 21:56 |
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| wall[e] | lcuk, well like several people at once | 21:56 |
| wall[e] | UIKit | 21:56 |
| wall[e] | iphone framework | 21:56 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: You mean, the plan B, the one involving golf balls? =) | 21:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yes, I would say that any disaster mitigation plan involving golf balls is a sure sign of a screwup | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | some firstposter on slashdot just said let the govt take over | 21:59 |
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| * RST38h likes the Russian MK journo's plan better | 22:00 | |
| lcuk | at least now they are considering options to actually closeup the well properly instead of trying to rescue it | 22:00 |
| lcuk | nuclaer explosion? | 22:00 |
| RST38h | "Let us nuke that thing!" | 22:00 |
| lcuk | nuclear | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Pump oxygen down to it, and light it off as it comes out. | 22:00 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, the government can always nuke it | 22:00 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw | 22:02 |
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| pupnik_ | "it's spelled nukular, lisa. n-u-k-u-l-a-r" | 22:03 |
| redeeman | :) | 22:03 |
| pupnik_ | and these people have atomic bombs... | 22:03 |
| wall[e] | is it a good idea for a gui to arrange DAG of unix command node and it pipe and tee on the fly? | 22:03 |
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| wall[e] | and may create app on the fly | 22:04 |
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| wall[e] | and store blocks of templates | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - a rather small hose with H2O2 would work. | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder how fire at that depth and pressure would behave. | 22:06 |
| RST38h | It won't | 22:07 |
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| RST38h | Oil is a mixture of hydrocarbons, it probably won't burn very well, especially underwater | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Hydrocarbons burn quite well indeed. | 22:07 |
| RST38h | You probably want to add some aluminium powder for the maximal boom | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | PRetty much all of them. | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can get H2O2 and oil in the same place, and light them off, the reaction will be enthusiastic. | 22:08 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: not really, try burning paraffin | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | The issue would be mixing. | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: With pure oxygen - it burns quite vigorously. | 22:08 |
| RST38h | Anything burns with pure oxygen | 22:09 |
| pupnik_ | it's an oxidizer ;) | 22:09 |
| RST38h | No shit Sherlock | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | here: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride.php | 22:12 |
| pupnik | heh repeat paste | 22:12 |
| RST38h | (and yes, it reads pretty much like SCP Wiki) | 22:12 |
| pupnik | what is your personal funnest chemistry story | 22:13 |
| mintux1 | do you accept this script is safe ? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Tanner#Safely_free_some_space_on_rootfs | 22:13 |
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| pupnik | i checked out 'moveroot.sh' and didn't see anything too scary mintux1 | 22:14 |
| wall[e] | anyone know how well small puzzle game sells on maemo? | 22:14 |
| pupnik | but other people should check it | 22:14 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: I try staying away form funny chemistry | 22:15 |
| wall[e] | or the number of maemo user base | 22:15 |
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| RST38h | helps limb retention, you know | 22:15 |
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| pupnik | yeah boy oh boy it can hurt | 22:16 |
| mintux1 | pupnik: what about local and fonts somebody break his phone here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52443 | 22:16 |
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| Schorschl | thank u all guys, my n900 is alive without flashing the firmware :D | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | what was the problem? | 22:18 |
| pupnik | mintux1: i don't understand your question | 22:18 |
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| mintux1 | pupnik: I read a topic on the froum somebody lost some data and language and something broke on his phone. so I worried about that . I need more space on rootfs and I can not install app . so that script make free space on rootfs. so I worry about that script doesn't break my phone | 22:20 |
| mintux1 | and another question is are there any way to install app on /opt ? | 22:20 |
| pupnik | don't use a script. just investigate each step yourself, and try it | 22:20 |
| mintux1 | suppose I would like to install new app . is it possible the file's copy on opt instead of bin? | 22:21 |
| mintux1 | ok | 22:21 |
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| Schorschl | MohammadAG : i dont know... the battery was empty completly emply and the kernel was broken | 22:22 |
| Schorschl | but after charging i flashed a new kernel and now its alive :D | 22:22 |
| Schorschl | will all data | 22:22 |
| mintux1 | how can I get the sum of size of file and directories of a directory in megabyte ? (command line ) | 22:23 |
| RST38h | du ? | 22:23 |
| pupnik | du -s * | 22:23 |
| pupnik | du -s [directory] | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | Schorschl, so it was the kernel lol | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | which kernel borked it? | 22:24 |
| Schorschl | yes, and the empty battery^^ | 22:24 |
| Schorschl | mom | 22:24 |
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| Schorschl | MohammadAG : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | o.O | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | t-tan needs to see this... | 22:25 |
| pupnik | i got tha powah! [/dance] | 22:25 |
| mintux1 | pupnik:the result is in megabyte ? forexample http://codepad.org/3uHqtOrn the sum of themes directory is 1420 Mb ? | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen t-tan | 22:25 |
| infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e176238235.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 1h 48m 37s ago, saying: 'has anybody already tried this http://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N900/Dump_and_Restore_rootfs_Image ?'. | 22:25 |
| pupnik | hahah. no guess again | 22:25 |
| pupnik | or du a du -sh * | 22:25 |
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| Schorschl | and first... backup | 22:25 |
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| wall[e] | can i know the actual storage of the hard disk used for a file on ext3 ? | 22:26 |
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| wall[e] | if it is 1gb it may not actually use 1gb of hd right? like all zero | 22:27 |
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| wall[e] | due to seek | 22:27 |
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| florian | re | 22:28 |
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| otubo | otubo, testing | 22:31 |
| otubo | sorry wrong channel! | 22:31 |
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| mintux | I moved my apt/cache to /home/user but why when i enabled repo the rootfs get size | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | /var/lib/apt | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | and /var/lib/dpkg | 22:45 |
| mintux | it was 31 meg after enable extra extra-devel testing it be 18meb | 22:45 |
| pupnik | /home/user is still in rootfs, mintux | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | pupnik, uh... | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | it's on a separate partition | 22:46 |
| pupnik | oh | 22:46 |
| pupnik | i thought that was /home/user/MyDocs | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | /home is on a 2GB partition | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk0p2 afaik | 22:46 |
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| pupnik | how do i confuse these things | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG | yes p2 | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | p3 is swap | 22:47 |
| mintux | MohammadAG:so if I move that path to /home/user my problem will be solved ? | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | should be | 22:47 |
| mintux | and if I install a app it will be install on / ? not /opt ? | 22:48 |
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| MohammadAG | that depends on how it was packaged, not where the folders are | 22:49 |
| mintux | hmm | 22:49 |
| mintux | and can we know before install it ? | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg-deb -c afaik | 22:49 |
| mintux | or can we move the package from for example share to /opt and link it ? | 22:49 |
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| MohammadAG | depends on the package | 22:50 |
| mintux | and I have another problem why we don't hava man and history command ? | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get install man-db man-db-pages | 22:50 |
| pupnik | because history is lies told by the victors | 22:50 |
| valdyn | mintux: history is a bash builtin | 22:51 |
| mintux | :-D | 22:51 |
| valdyn | mintux: you can have it if you just use bash | 22:51 |
| mintux | valdyn: yeah but when I use it . it said -sh: history: not found | 22:51 |
| valdyn | mintux: you are not using bash | 22:51 |
| valdyn | mintux: thats busybox? | 22:51 |
| mintux | so how can I use it ? I should install it ? | 22:52 |
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| valdyn | mintux: its packaged | 22:52 |
| mintux | MohammadAG: do we have documents on maemo somewhere like /share and take space ? | 22:52 |
| mintux | or manuals | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get install man-db man-db-pages | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | need I say it again? :) | 22:53 |
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| mintux | no .I understand .my question was if we have manuals it may be in /share and take space so move it to /home/user | 22:53 |
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| valdyn | mintux: install the packages and look? | 22:54 |
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| mintux | valdyn:ok I'll try it after release some spcae on rootfs | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | mintux, i packaged it to install to /opt/man | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | and if lcuk is right I broke the autobuilder | 22:55 |
| mintux | MohammadAG:so where is it ? which repo? | 22:55 |
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| MohammadAG | -devel | 22:56 |
| mintux | great | 22:56 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, expect a slow install though | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | it needs to generate a database | 22:56 |
| mintux | hmm | 22:56 |
| mintux | and it created on /opt not root ? | 22:57 |
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| MohammadAG | yes | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | /opt/man/man0 | 22:57 |
| mintux | hmm | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | don't worry about it | 22:57 |
| mintux | ok | 22:57 |
| * mintux wants god help him because he wants to move /var/lib/apt | 22:58 | |
| lcuk | sorry, god is busy | 22:58 |
| lcuk | hes testing pr1.2 | 22:58 |
| mintux | :-D | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:58 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, if god's testing 1.2 that means there's no 1.3 | 22:59 |
| lcuk | why | 22:59 |
| mintux | there is no list of package's that installed on /opt . it's great if they put this point in description of package | 22:59 |
| lcuk | god is omnipresent | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | oh right, that got tested | 22:59 |
| lcuk | hes testing1.2 as well as every other version at same time | 22:59 |
| valdyn | mintux: theres a script to optify any package | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, even 1.0? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | theres a script to optify any folder too, but thats by the by | 23:00 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, especially 1.0 | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, what about DeeGo? | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | the debian based MeeGo | 23:00 |
| lcuk | god draws the line somewhere :P | 23:01 |
| mintux | valdyn: what does it do exactly ? when you want to install it moved to /opt or move some package installed to /opt | 23:01 |
| valdyn | mintux: it just moves and symlinks anything in /usr, or similar | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | mintux, understand that opt is a hack whichever way you look at it, but new packages build and constructed for the purpose now store and use their data inside /opt directly. older packages need some kind of symlinkability | 23:02 |
| valdyn | mintux: or /usr/lib, i dont really know it exactly | 23:02 |
| mintux | valdyn: it's pymaemo-optify ? | 23:02 |
| valdyn | mintux that one is just python | 23:02 |
| mintux | what is the name of it? | 23:02 |
| lcuk | maemo-optify and theres a readme related | 23:03 |
| valdyn | mintux: i cant put it up, i dont remember where I have it from, its optify.sh | 23:03 |
| valdyn | mintux: err I *can* put it up | 23:03 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/blobs/master/README | 23:04 |
| mintux | hmm so I should run it in some period of times to move /usr to /opt | 23:04 |
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| Nadley | hi everybody | 23:07 |
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| valdyn | mintux: https://valdyn.org/optify.sh No guarantees, and i think Nokia thinks that optifying can make things slower. | 23:07 |
| Nadley | I'm looking for a virtualbox image to start developping with maemo where quand I find one ? | 23:07 |
| mintux | hmm . means it move everything to /opt or some package | 23:07 |
| Nadley | *can | 23:07 |
| tybollt_ | hmm | 23:07 |
| tybollt_ | stskeeps: will meego "fix" the optifying misstake? | 23:08 |
| mintux | valdyn:did you test it ? your phone be slow ? | 23:08 |
| mintux | valdyn: did you test it ? your phone be slow | 23:08 |
| valdyn | mintux: im find | 23:08 |
| valdyn | mintux: im fine | 23:08 |
| mintux | hmm | 23:08 |
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| valdyn | I dont get why anyone thinks that optifying is a problem | 23:08 |
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| valdyn | *not* having done it right on release is the actual mistake | 23:08 |
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| trumee | which is a more stable connection wpa or wpa2? | 23:09 |
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| mintux | valdyn: I want to move /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/apt what is your idea ? I do it or not? | 23:09 |
| valdyn | mintux: if that script does that, then it works for me | 23:09 |
| mintux | mv /var/lib/apt /home/user/.apt-lib-cache | 23:10 |
| lcuk | valdyn, i do believe pontificating about making it right is easier than making it right. voice of experience here. | 23:10 |
| valdyn | mintux: in this case im a dumb user, i just ran the script, im lazy to read it | 23:10 |
| mintux | hmm | 23:10 |
| mintux | I'll save 60meg | 23:10 |
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| trumee | is wpa2 more work for N900 compared to wpa? | 23:11 |
| lcuk | valdyn, why have you got the .sh on a https connection? | 23:11 |
| Nadley | nobody can help to find a virtualbox appliance to develop with maemo ? | 23:11 |
| lcuk | especially one without a cert | 23:11 |
| valdyn | lcuk: not even dict.org can help me with pontificate | 23:11 |
| valdyn | lcuk: because i dont have a plain http server at all | 23:12 |
| nidO | trumee not to the point of causing problems, and I have a vague recollection that there are issues with the n900 and wpa currently | 23:12 |
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| nidO | you should be using wpa2 in any case | 23:12 |
| trumee | nid0, ok going to stick with wpa2 | 23:13 |
| valdyn | Nadley: iirc virtualbox can deal with plain disk images just fine too | 23:15 |
| Nadley | valdyn: sorry but I don't understand | 23:15 |
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| valdyn | Nadley: what you call "appliance" is not much more than a plain image of a disk plus *some* configuration for virtual box that is mostly redundant | 23:16 |
| valdyn | Nadley: you just need a disk image and set vbox to boot from the first partition of that image, or somesuch | 23:16 |
| Nadley | valdyn: ah yes of course I now but I'm looking for this image :D | 23:17 |
| Nadley | *know | 23:17 |
| mintux | where is save email's message's and ...? in root or home ? | 23:17 |
| mintux | sms | 23:17 |
| valdyn | Nadley: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images#Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Image_Content | 23:18 |
| Nadley | valdyn: thanks but I find it and they say to go there http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php to find the file but there is no file usable with virtualbox | 23:19 |
| valdyn | Nadley: bottom of that page | 23:20 |
| Nadley | ok sorry | 23:20 |
| mintux | valdyn: I saw that script . I moved that path manually before | 23:21 |
| mintux | valdyn: what free do you have in rootfs now ? | 23:21 |
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| valdyn | mintux: 72.5 | 23:22 |
| valdyn | mintux: but i didnt run that script for a long time and im on pr1.2 ( leaked ) | 23:22 |
| mintux | you don't need to run again | 23:23 |
| mintux | because everything place in /home/user | 23:23 |
| valdyn | mintux: i never ran it after flashing pr1.2 | 23:23 |
| valdyn | mintux: im guessing whatever that script ever did is canceld by flashing | 23:23 |
| mintux | some of my widget disappeared | 23:23 |
| mintux | yes | 23:24 |
| mintux | what is your device ? | 23:24 |
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| valdyn | mintux: uh? | 23:24 |
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| mintux | did you upgrade your os ? | 23:24 |
| valdyn | mintux: i flashed the leaked pr1.2 | 23:25 |
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| mintux | and what was previous ? | 23:25 |
| valdyn | 1.1.1 ? | 23:25 |
| mintux | your device is n900? | 23:26 |
| valdyn | mintux: sure | 23:26 |
| mintux | some widget doesn't work anymore after move something to /home/user | 23:27 |
| lcuk | valdyn, can you pastebin your script somewhere feasible to access, i strongly dislike security for the sake of it | 23:27 |
| valdyn | lcuk: uh? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | pastebin.com | 23:27 |
| mintux | no I taked mistake they works . but they are in another desktop | 23:27 |
| lcuk | your script, put it there? | 23:28 |
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| valdyn | lcuk: i can do that | 23:28 |
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| valdyn | lcuk: but i dont understand why you would mind that no one can eavesdrop | 23:28 |
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| wall[e] | what choose which partition can be exported on mass storage mode? | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | valdyn, i just dont like security certificates and obfuscation around useless stuff, and i have no need or desire to do anything else on your site | 23:29 |
| lcuk | so i wouldnt accept a self cert | 23:29 |
| valdyn | lcuk: its not obfuscated | 23:29 |
| valdyn | lcuk: your webbrowser is just confusing you | 23:30 |
| lcuk | its not openly accessible tho | 23:30 |
| valdyn | lcuk: its accessible by everyone | 23:30 |
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| valdyn | lcuk: the fact that your browser issues a warning just means that microsoft did not ship the root cert | 23:31 |
| valdyn | ( but they ship root certs for alot of stuff you cant trust any better ) | 23:31 |
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| valdyn | lcuk: http://pastebin.com/fpYAQmQs | 23:31 |
| lcuk | cool ta | 23:31 |
| lcuk | what have MS gotta do with this? | 23:31 |
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| valdyn | lcuk: the warning you get sais that you dont have the root cert for "cacert.org" | 23:32 |
| marcus__ | Anybody could guide me to get python-qt4 on my n900? | 23:32 |
| valdyn | lcuk: thats just one certificate authority like verisign | 23:32 |
| lcuk | no it didnt valdyn | 23:32 |
| marcus__ | I tried with python2.5-qt4-gui, but some packages were old or something (via apt-get install) | 23:32 |
| valdyn | lcuk: but thats what it means | 23:33 |
| valdyn | lcuk: the most important difference is that you already have the verisign root cert, so you dont get a warning, but you dont have the cacert root certificate | 23:33 |
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| Arkenoi | anyone playing d1x-rebirth? any advices on controls setup? | 23:33 |
| valdyn | lcuk: this stuff looks like its made to confuse people, I admit | 23:34 |
| lcuk | especially for a shell script | 23:34 |
| valdyn | lcuk: my cert just claims that valdyn.org is valdyn.org, it doesnt try to convince you that im trustworthy like a bank | 23:35 |
| valdyn | lcuk: sure, agreed | 23:35 |
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| valdyn | lcuk: maybe you never noticed, but microsoft ( or whoever got your root certs on your computer ) decided for you who you can trust and who you cannot ;) | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | valdyn, sure, i'd rather have a big group of big companies making sure their sites were marked trusted than each and every one having wild west style self certs. for financials and other things i do with them thats ok with me. but individuals signing up randomly for nonesense things just highlights it and asks silly questions and just makes the internet a not very open system | 23:41 |
| pupnik | heh heh | 23:41 |
| valdyn | lcuk: were not talking about self certs here | 23:41 |
| lcuk | to the end user theres not much difference | 23:42 |
| valdyn | thats the problem | 23:42 |
| valdyn | thinking that something is trustworthy because someone paid verisign | 23:42 |
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| wall[e] | anyone try blender? i just want the sequencer part | 23:43 |
| lcuk | sure, thats how companies work - they are the only ones who can afford to so you know you are talking to the big sites themselves | 23:43 |
| lcuk | valdyn, anyway, original topic | 23:43 |
| lcuk | you say you have the leaky pr1.2 on your device | 23:43 |
| wall[e] | (if it is fast enough by that part) | 23:43 |
| lcuk | why didnt you run your script on it | 23:43 |
| valdyn | lcuk: "malware" is a big industry | 23:43 |
| valdyn | lcuk: i dont need to | 23:44 |
| lcuk | why not | 23:44 |
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| valdyn | lcuk: i ran it on 1.1.1 and before, but pr1.2 seems to change things so you got more space on / | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | sure it does :) because we listened to people and tried to help out space wise | 23:44 |
| lcuk | your script is a bit similar to how the maemo one in pr1.2 looks | 23:45 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime | 23:45 |
| wall[e] | and maemo sdk stuck, clicking cancel warns things | 23:45 |
| wall[e] | stuck like hours | 23:45 |
| valdyn | lcuk: i just dont remember where i have it from, its probably the same origin | 23:45 |
| wall[e] | installation* | 23:45 |
| lcuk | doubt it | 23:45 |
| * lcuk wrote it from scratch ;) | 23:46 | |
| valdyn | alright then | 23:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | does apt-get install whatever do the same as installing whatever through HAM? | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | i mean - are there any caveats? | 23:48 |
| valdyn | SpeedEvil: you can force apt-get to do really stupid things | 23:49 |
| E0x | SpeedEvil: yes do the same | 23:49 |
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| E0x | HAM is the aplication manager right ? | 23:50 |
| valdyn | SpeedEvil: "apt-get install <package-that-triggers-removal-of-essential-package>" | 23:50 |
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| dmj726 | ...HAM is I think just a front end that uses apt-get | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | valdyn: I know you can - I'm assuming only packages installable through HAM | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes - I'm not sure if HAM has any 'magic' wrapped around apt-get. | 23:50 |
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| E0x | in HAM you can't install 2 package at the same time | 23:50 |
| E0x | with apt-get you can | 23:50 |
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| E0x | apt-get install package1 package2 | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, I know. | 23:51 |
| lcuk | valdyn, how are you finding 1.2 and have you noticed any huge gotchas | 23:51 |
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| valdyn | lcuk: nothing huge, e-mail widget isnt working ( but I assume it will in final anyway ) | 23:52 |
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| tybollt_ | speedevil: will meego "fix" the optifying misstake? | 23:52 |
| valdyn | then i had huge issues recently, but that was probably only to blam on the unofficial kernels | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt_, Maemo never had the mistake | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | the HW did | 23:53 |
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| tybollt_ | do not agree w/ that | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt_: meego includes a coupon for a free SoC with a 2GB NAND installed on it. | 23:54 |
| tybollt_ | meh | 23:54 |
| tybollt_ | jaja | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt_: You have to install it yourself though. | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt_, it's not maemo's fault | 23:54 |
| dmj726 | can I install the SoC from apt? | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes, it is. | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | go install the SDK, it shows root as 60GB | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, how, a bigger root would've worked | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: / not being the system drive you install all the software on was solved 20 years ago. | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | 30 probably. | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | well | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | /usr could've been mounted somewhere else | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr /var on the emmc - and the problem goes away. | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | but the scripts are hardcoded... so | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, blame maemo | 23:57 |
| wall[e] | lib better on faster paging | 23:57 |
| * SpeedEvil sings the "Blame Nokia" song, with all the gusto of a 8-year-old on a sugar binge. | 23:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | (To the Tune of Blame Canada) | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | this is open source. why blame others? come up with a much better proposal and follow it up | 23:59 |
| tripzero | w00t | 23:59 |
| tybollt_ | SpeedEvil++ | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, uhuh | 23:59 |
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