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| N900evil | microb deals poorly with largee scanned images | 00:02 |
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| ptl | so. | 00:07 |
| ptl | The updates on the N900 are locked, thus chat on this channel is also locked? | 00:08 |
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| Lynoure | ptl: Clearly not. | 00:08 |
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| Goliath23 | hi | 00:09 |
| Goliath23 | is there a release date for PR1.2 for the n900 yet? | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | No, Nokia does not announce the date of firmware updates in advance. | 00:11 |
| Goliath23 | ah. okay | 00:11 |
| frals | lcuk: cough! | 00:11 |
| ds3 | so.... are there any other mail clients besides modest and claws? | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | frals, :D | 00:12 |
| lcuk | hiya dude | 00:12 |
| frals | o/ | 00:12 |
| lcuk | hen i coughed it was after someone said his fmms was borking system | 00:12 |
| frals | oh | 00:13 |
| frals | no new reply on t.m.o so i assume it wasnt that serious ;o | 00:13 |
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| ds3 | any change that fmms can be enhanced to remember the current connection; disconnect; connect to the right APN; get MMS; and restore original connection? | 00:13 |
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| ds3 | s/change/chance/ | 00:13 |
| infobot | ds3 meant: any chance that fmms can be enhanced to remember the current connection; disconnect; connect to the right APN; get MMS; and restore original connection? | 00:13 |
| frals | it *could* but its pretty disruptive to force a disconnection and the api docs explicitly say "dont use this in your application" so ehh yaeh | 00:14 |
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| ds3 | Oh | 00:14 |
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| ds3 | it is very annoying having to manually manage the connection shuffling | 00:15 |
| ds3 | esp. when I am already on WiFi at the moment ;) | 00:15 |
| frals | if you enable experimental mode it *should* autoconnect | 00:15 |
| frals | might/might not work thou and might make the phone unable to get a gprs connection up afterwards until a reboot | 00:15 |
| frals | not that ive ever had that happen in actual use | 00:16 |
| ds3 | how do I enable experimental mode? | 00:16 |
| frals | get 0.5.4 and just open configuration | 00:17 |
| ds3 | where do I get 0.5.4? I have 0.5.3 but that's downloaded via the app mgr | 00:17 |
| frals | uh i uploaded it yesterday | 00:17 |
| frals | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms | 00:17 |
| ds3 | so I should refresh my list, I take it | 00:18 |
| frals | dunno hasnt showed up on my device either, might be something fubar with repos or what not | 00:18 |
| frals | either way i gotta head back to bed | 00:18 |
| ds3 | oh okay... thanks | 00:18 |
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| frals | basically you can enable it in 0.5.3 with gconftool-2 -s /apps/fmms/exp --type int 1 or something similar | 00:19 |
| ds3 | I'll try to get 0.5.4 | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, wait, did you identify a "bq24150" on your N900? Because the L3&L4 manual says bq21450 | 00:20 |
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| ShadowJK | oh nevermind, elsewhere in the manual it says bq24150 | 00:20 |
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| anotnac | u[dates in devel have stopped showing in app manager for many people | 00:29 |
| anotnac | *updates | 00:30 |
| ptl | yep | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | for all AIUI | 00:30 |
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| ptl | probably to prepare for PR1.2 | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | till 1.2 release | 00:30 |
| ptl | it's gonna be april 1 | 00:30 |
| ptl | simultaneous with Meego Day 1 | 00:31 |
| ptl | it has to be | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | or Jan 14 in uk | 00:31 |
| ptl | Jan 14 2011? | 00:31 |
| anotnac | there is rumours pr 1.2 is not ready started by jussi with these comments on twitter lol http://twitter.com/luovanto | 00:33 |
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| ptl | how can't it be ready if the packages are already into the SDK? | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | ptl, delays for 1.1.1 firmware was over a month | 00:35 |
| ptl | :( | 00:36 |
| * noobmonk3y aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh's | 00:37 | |
| anotnac | it cant be too long away if it id decision to update everything early for pr 1.2 was very bad move | 00:37 |
| Shapeshifter | why do people care so much about update release dates | 00:38 |
| ptl | because we want it to be soon | 00:38 |
| ptl | we want to plan | 00:38 |
| Shapeshifter | what is the point. you're just making yourself more stressed out. chill. | 00:38 |
| ptl | since our N900 is an integral part of our life, as a productivity gadget | 00:38 |
| Shapeshifter | sip on a cup of tea or something. | 00:38 |
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| anotnac | why do ppl care about the gym | 00:38 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: sorry to break it to you, but pr1.2. isn't going to improve your life all that much. | 00:39 |
| anotnac | to better what they have | 00:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | updated 1.2 means extras is not stalled | 00:40 |
| ptl | Shapeshifter: I am convinced otherwise, specially now that I'll be only able to update my apps cleanly after the PR1.2 migration | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | which is probably more important to me. | 00:41 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: so, it's gonna be soon | 00:41 |
| ptl | yes! | 00:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: you got a point | 00:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | but looking at the list, I don't spot any brilliant changes | 00:42 |
| Shapeshifter | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 | 00:42 |
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| anotnac | did nokia not offer senior community members opportunity to beta test this time like PR 1.1 | 00:46 |
| nidO | bug 8043 is fixed, so im happy | 00:46 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8043 AVI Streaming broken. Local playback works fine. | 00:46 |
| Shapeshifter | just brings it back to my mind how utterly stupid releases are | 00:47 |
| Shapeshifter | rolling release ftw. | 00:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | rolling has its own issues | 00:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: main issue with rolling is that you're more or less supposed ot ideally update regularly. risk of breakage/annoyance increases the longer the intervals between updates, basically. but on a device like the n900 - in contrary to a server - you can practically update every day without any problem. | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | not on all devices. | 00:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want to be able to schedule. At times downloading a new patch to blocks - say - could be expensive. | 00:56 |
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| ptl | that's why we need to know PR release dates | 00:57 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: updating once every two weeks would still be more then enough | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | also - each config gets _lots_ less testing for issues than a release | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | which has its own costs if it leads to users contacting nokia/... | 00:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: why would a whole config need testing. also, testing should be automated if the developers did some proper engineering beforehand | 00:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | because sometimes seemingly unrelated stuff can bork the device experience. | 00:58 |
| Shapeshifter | like that avi streaming bug. apparently worked in internal version in january. nidO needed to wait 3 months to profit. | 00:58 |
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| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: well I'm starting to troll here, but seemingly unrelated stuff should be unrelated. if it's still related, that relation should be obvious and documented. ;) | 01:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | but it's not on a resource constrained device. | 01:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | working out if foo update touches bar's files is trivial. | 01:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | working out if foo update that changes it to call baz, not bar, and use more cpu when changing desktops causing sound to stutter for people making skype calls over PAN - say - is hard. | 01:03 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, does fmtx widget know yet how to scan for empty frequencies? | 01:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | no. | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 01:05 |
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| ShadowJK | the fmtx driver seems to support it | 01:06 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: that may be true, but if it's a non-critical update (i.e. just about some video streaming, and not essential connectivity/battery-charging/bootloader/whatever) a package can be released after little testing, as protest will quickly arise and be documented by the users and the devs can react. in any case, it's much more agile. I'd say, more most things, except the core (bootloader and that), releasing updates when they're ... | 01:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | ... ready is simply much more efficient and profitable for everyone. | 01:06 |
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| ShadowJK | Though the chip allegedly also able to automatically choose free freuqencies, support for that doesn't seem to exist in the driver | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | rolling with a beta testers program would work | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | so you could opt in for earl | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | 2 week earlier | 01:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | also a good idea, yeah. | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: positively bq24150a | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq24150 | 01:30 |
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| C-S-B | Everyone(this is OT) Ive an interview for a linux/win hosting company etc tomorrow.They are going to give me a technical exam. Anyone have any ideas what it might invole? | 01:39 |
| C-S-B | I'm at a loss as to what to 'revise' | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | what do they do | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | what might customers ask or want from you | 01:39 |
| C-S-B | http://www.redtechnology.com/ | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | where i can buy nokia headphones | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | for n900 | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | and what's a part number for them? | 01:40 |
| C-S-B | ecommerce | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | is it wh-205? | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | C-S-B, what position are you interviewing for? | 01:42 |
| * haltdef strangles built in media player | 01:42 | |
| C-S-B | IT Systems Engineer / Web Systems Engineer | 01:43 |
| jacekowski | hosting company | 01:43 |
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| ShadowJK | Knowing apache and php setup in and out would probably help, i guess | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | most likely - perl/python/bash or other kind of scripting | 01:44 |
| range | Deployment, non disruptive updates, troubleshooting basics. Maybe a scripting test. Depends on if someone in the hiring process has ever been at google et al :) | 01:44 |
| range | Those tend to ask the strange questions. | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | well | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: DO NOT buy original N900 headset! It's crap, and you get a zillion better ones for less | 01:46 |
| C-S-B | perl/php is desirable. | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B: you are applying for a position ad red technology? | 01:46 |
| C-S-B | yeah | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | Location: http://www.redtechnology.com | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | X-Powered-By: ASP.NET | 01:47 |
| C-S-B | well im there tomorrow for an interview | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | it seems they are windows based | 01:47 |
| C-S-B | Yeah, I think they're an ms shop with some linux solutions | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | and they say nothing about linux | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | and it's hard to tell who you will be speaking to | 01:48 |
| C-S-B | they do mention it, but briefly. | 01:49 |
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| C-S-B | they want bind and postfix knowledge. | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | if you will end up with stupid recruitment bloke that knows fuck all about what company is doing and he's just comparing your answers to what he have prepared | 01:49 |
| nidO | C-S-B: bind is easy | 01:49 |
| C-S-B | and explicitly state linux | 01:49 |
| nidO | just reading up, also | 01:49 |
| C-S-B | i know bind enough. | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | nidO: don't underestimate it | 01:49 |
| nidO | I dont, i've been working with it for 10 years | 01:49 |
| C-S-B | but i know it can get deep | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | nidO: basic DNS setup is simple | 01:50 |
| nidO | C-S-B: which host? | 01:50 |
| C-S-B | http://www.redtechnology.com/ | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | nidO: it's more DNS system rather than bind - but still - i would expect people to know it | 01:50 |
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| nidO | shame they use postfix though | 01:51 |
| C-S-B | why? | 01:51 |
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| nidO | at least it's not qmail though I guess | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | exim sucks | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | and qmail isn't MTA | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | qmail is a program pretending to be MTA | 01:52 |
| nidO | well yeah it is, its just a dreadful one | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | nidO: it doesn't comply to standards | 01:52 |
| nidO | ofc it doesnt, because it's dreadful. | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | and that doesn't leave you with many alternatives | 01:53 |
| nidO | exim's perfectly good | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | oh god | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | don't even use that name | 01:53 |
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| C-S-B | well thanks for giving me some ideas | 01:53 |
| C-S-B | i think it might be easy since its win... | 01:54 |
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| C-S-B | i know subnetting and networking | 01:54 |
| nidO | depends what kind of knowledge they want and what you have | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B: really? | 01:54 |
| range | C-S-B: Normally they want to look if you can think outside the box a bit. | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B: what do you know about routing | 01:54 |
| C-S-B | etc, thats a usual thig they ask | 01:54 |
| nidO | complex iis/ad/.net management is more complicated than keeping an apache system running | 01:54 |
| ptl | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 01:54 |
| ptl | there IS wpasupplicant on easy-debian | 01:54 |
| C-S-B | well, room to learn. | 01:55 |
| ptl | could I connect to a WPA2/LEAP AP using it? | 01:55 |
| ptl | because the N900 does not support LEAP natively | 01:55 |
| C-S-B | jacekowski, how are you asking that. | 01:55 |
| C-S-B | in what tone? | 01:55 |
| nidO | any idea what kind of level of infrastructure redtechnology have? | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | in tone of making you aware that there is still lot to learn | 01:56 |
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| C-S-B | i know. | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | but as nidO mentioned - gather knowledge about them | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | so you can learn about what they use | 01:57 |
| C-S-B | thats what ive been doing, i appreciate the hep guys. | 01:57 |
| nidO | they seem to have a fairly substantial network of their own, so theyre probably going to want someone in a systems engineer role to know switches and routers pretty much in and out | 01:57 |
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| C-S-B | nidO, hows it compare to what you do? | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:~# nc filter1.mail.redtech.net.uk. 25 | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | 220 filter1.mail.redtech.net.uk ESMTP PureD-SpamFilter | 01:58 |
| C-S-B | ive usually been a win/linux server admin | 01:58 |
| C-S-B | and network admin | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B: emm, cisco switches and routers | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | everything else tries to replicate cisco interface | 01:59 |
| nidO | I don't need to deal with backbone/border routers much as theyre handled by our colocation providers, our technical involvement starts at our switches in our racks | 01:59 |
| nidO | red seem to have their own peering and border routers so youll probably want to know ios pretty well | 01:59 |
| C-S-B | i dont know cisco, but I have my gf's uncle who is high up there and can get me docs. | 01:59 |
| C-S-B | ive touched on ios in my last job | 02:00 |
| C-S-B | they dont require it in the job spec however, i think they are into training, | 02:00 |
| nidO | depends what they want to recruit you for though really, whether they need someone adminning their networks or whether you're getting hired as a helpdesk monkey | 02:00 |
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| jacekowski | nidO: everybody can get their own peering | 02:01 |
| nidO | ofc they can, most hosts dont have their own routers handling it though | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | still knowing ios will be a + | 02:03 |
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| jacekowski | C-S-B: did they specified any distro? | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B: i would recommend to be prepared to know locations of some basic system files | 02:10 |
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| jacekowski | C-S-B: and some distro specific files as well | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | and read the manuals | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | i was once asked what does option -l does with ls | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | and couple similiar questions | 02:10 |
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| nidO | its difficult to judge how to approach it without knowing the scale of the business and whos interviewing you though really - if it's another tech doing the interview, chances are that more than just asking you to rattle off facts and knowledge theyll be looking to see if you're sharp enough to approach problems you *dont* know the answer to logically to find/figure out a solution | 02:13 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | frals: you around? | 02:16 |
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| C-S-B | jacekowski, thanks for everything, i appreciate getting my brain engaged. | 02:27 |
| C-S-B | and nidO, as ever. ;) cheers | 02:28 |
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| b-man|ubuntu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-hPEZWWo8 - the geekiest shirt ever... | 02:35 |
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| njsf_ | re Hi all | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: I checked schematics vs bq24150 datasheet. There's NO indication we could NOT use the vbus-boost mode and get usb-host power @ 200mA | 02:48 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, which device are you on about | 02:48 |
| lcuk | ive sene you talking last day or so | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 02:48 |
| lcuk | whats the board | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | neat | 02:49 |
| lcuk | bq24150 | 02:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm checking the N900 2JH-21 board | 02:49 |
| lcuk | cool, any particular goal? from google its the battery board | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq24150 is N900's battery charger chip | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: means I'd bet real amounts of money on feasibility of power from N900 to USB, for hostmode | 02:52 |
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| lcuk | :) sounds like a cool thing to study | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | It sounds to me like a cool thing to actually be able and use N900 as USB host, plug in memsticks, cameras, IR-dongles, you name it | 02:54 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, if it were in host mode, that would also allow 2 n900s to connect to each other wouldnt it? or can it do that now (to setup network between them) | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, the PHY chip, the F... fri.... PHY. Seems nobody knows for sure what we got there | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, it needs one of them in hostmode. Then you could even flash one from the other XP | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk, not without a very wierd cable | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | err - no | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | you don't need to cross the Ds | 02:56 |
| lcuk | rehome a pair of them into a book format :) | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not VBUS, but protocol for sure | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | D+/- are not crossed | 02:57 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i just like this pic: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG | 02:57 |
| lcuk | if usb would help conserve power | 02:57 |
| cehteh | lcuk: jealous about ipad? :) | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nintendo DS | 02:58 |
| lcuk | cehteh, http://liqbase.net/liqbase_double_tiny.JPG been on my mind for a while | 02:58 |
| lcuk | way before ipad | 02:59 |
| lcuk | and likely ds | 02:59 |
| Lumpio- | That's just silly. | 02:59 |
| ds3 | VBUS shouldn't matter too much. afterall, the 770 couldn't feed VBUS | 02:59 |
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| lcuk | Lumpio-, why? http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG | 03:00 |
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| lcuk | Lumpio-, sometimes you perform tasks on a mobile device that need more space | 03:03 |
| lcuk | imagine snapping a portion of it off and having it on a different screen | 03:03 |
| lcuk | the list of emails on one | 03:03 |
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| lcuk | the specific selection on another | 03:03 |
| lcuk | 2 pieces of the same app | 03:03 |
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| lcuk | or using gimp with the image on one part and the controls on another | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | when you have one screen the apps are just like now and use overlaying/stacked windows | 03:05 |
| lcuk | but just add extra bricks | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately with current devices, they stop working if you snap bits off. | 03:05 |
| lcuk | figuratively | 03:05 |
| lcuk | that last pic i pasted has example | 03:06 |
| lcuk | all 3 devices are live updating | 03:06 |
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| lcuk | the top has whole app | 03:06 |
| lcuk | the middle has a list of all skecthes | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:06 |
| lcuk | the bottom is working on a single one | 03:06 |
| lcuk | but they all update live in realtime | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: yeah, and of course it doesn't matter you can't connect memorysticks to 770? | 03:07 |
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| * man_in_ltop waves | 03:16 | |
| man_in_ltop | it's been a while since i've really played around with my n810 and the python+maemo tutorial i was using has disappeared | 03:16 |
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| man_in_ltop | i'm trying to remember if there's a specific maemo/hildon/whatever file open dialog that i'd need to code for | 03:16 |
| Lumpio- | lcuk: It's neat as a concept but I can't imagine myself carrying around a device with enough screen space to snap into three and still be able to display something meaningful on all of them | 03:19 |
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| Lumpio- | If I wanted to carry that much stuff around I might as well carry a laptop | 03:19 |
| lcuk | Lumpio-, i routinely carry 2 n900s | 03:19 |
| lcuk | i rarely carry a laptop | 03:20 |
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| Lumpio- | ok >_> | 03:21 |
| Lumpio- | I'll have to wait until we get devices thin enough to fit three into the space of one N900 | 03:21 |
| lcuk | dont need 3 - thats just me playing at home | 03:22 |
| Lumpio- | Stack them when on the go, break them apart when you got the space | 03:22 |
| Lumpio- | Well, two | 03:22 |
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| raster | Lumpio-: there are already devices half as thin as the n900 | 03:25 |
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| calamari | hi | 03:51 |
| ech0Nokia | is there mms support yet? i want to send a picture via txt... | 03:51 |
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| pronto | look into fmms ech0Nokia | 03:54 |
| calamari | I currently have an Android G1 that I use for IM, gmail, web browsing, photography, maps/navigation, and debian ARM. Does the n900 handle all of that? | 03:54 |
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| Robot101 | yes, although its maemo rather than debian | 03:55 |
| haltdef | is there a way to disable cell and wifi but leave bluetooth on? | 03:55 |
| calamari | does it run an X server? | 03:55 |
| pronto | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39737 ech0Nokia | 03:55 |
| Robot101 | but its .deb based and plenty of packages and sdk to build etc | 03:55 |
| Robot101 | yeah uses X | 03:56 |
| calamari | Robot101, cool thanks | 03:56 |
| calamari | wish it had a better keyboard, that's the only thing holding me back hehe | 03:56 |
| ech0Nokia | thx | 03:56 |
| pronto | calamari: you get used to the keyboard | 03:56 |
| Robot101 | camera is great - maps isn't quite as good as google unfortunately but it is usable | 03:56 |
| pronto | ech0Nokia: and i can confrim myself fmms works | 03:56 |
| Robot101 | although, browser does work with full fat google maps | 03:57 |
| calamari | was going to say, I could just pull up the webpage hehe | 03:57 |
| Robot101 | you swipe from the left to get a pointer and you can click/pan | 03:57 |
| Robot101 | which is a really nice touch | 03:57 |
| calamari | I'm guessing the web browser is awesome? | 03:57 |
| Robot101 | even flash for streetview if you're keen :) | 03:57 |
| pronto | the webbroswer is firefox with a modded UI | 03:57 |
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| Robot101 | it's basically firefox, yeah. it can get overwhelmed on very heavy js or flash pages but I find it very usable most of the time | 03:58 |
| calamari | anyone running qemu on it? | 03:58 |
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| Robot101 | on the device? no, ppl usually run qemu for developing for the device... :) | 03:59 |
| Robot101 | I think there's a dosbox port for retro gaming actually :) | 03:59 |
| calamari | user mode qemu-i386 is killing me on android, doesn't work | 03:59 |
| calamari | trying to run a closed source i386 daemon for accessing my corporate network | 04:00 |
| Robot101 | ouch | 04:00 |
| calamari | I heard that some of the device drivers are closed source.. but they are accessible on the device without special pain, right? so I can change netowrk settings and all that? | 04:01 |
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| calamari | btw, sorry for all these elementary questions and thanks for being patient and answering them :) | 04:05 |
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| Robot101 | calamari: networking config daemon is closed, but normal network tools like ifconfig etc also work if you want to go behind its back | 04:11 |
| calamari | excellent :) | 04:12 |
| calamari | then if I can get qemu to cooperate, what I'm trying just might work! hehe | 04:12 |
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| calamari | okay this kicks google sky maps ass http://www.nokian900applications.com/stellarium-for-nokia-n900/ | 04:15 |
| calamari | I'm sold haha | 04:15 |
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| ptl | calamari: stellarium is in the repositories already, but for me it didn't work quite as well as in the video | 04:19 |
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| calamari | oh? what happened? | 04:19 |
| calamari | just slower? | 04:20 |
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| ech0Nokia | what to set mmsc to on fmms for tmobile? | 04:22 |
| cehteh | its announced that stellarium is incomplete yet :/ | 04:26 |
| cehteh | too bad the device has no compass, that would be a awesome usecase | 04:27 |
| ptl | calamari: not slower, but had some bugs | 04:28 |
| calamari | looks like orrery is another option | 04:28 |
| calamari | http://wiki.maemo.org/Orrery | 04:28 |
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| ptl | cehteh: I've read somewhere that you can work around that pointing your N900 to some star and then the program uses the accelerometer to track the position | 04:29 |
| cehteh | oh moment the stellarium there isnt the one from the repos? | 04:29 |
| ptl | I mean, the rotation | 04:29 |
| ptl | cehteh: it is | 04:29 |
| cehteh | ptl: the accelerometer cant track rotation and its *by* far not sensible enouhg for such | 04:29 |
| * cehteh reisntalls stellarium | 04:30 | |
| ptl | cehteh: nevertheless, I read it somewhere | 04:30 |
| cehteh | yes thats bullshit | 04:30 |
| cehteh | if the camera would be sensible enough you could try to lock it on a start (or some other background feature) | 04:31 |
| cehteh | well motion tracking cries for SDP | 04:31 |
| cehteh | DSP | 04:31 |
| cehteh | star formation recognition would be also cool .. but certainly beyond the cameras capabilities | 04:32 |
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| cehteh | too less resolution, too less senstivity, too wide angle | 04:32 |
| crashanddie_ | too less? | 04:33 |
| cehteh | for tracking stars on the sky | 04:33 |
| calamari | cehteh, just take multiple frames and sum them | 04:33 |
| cehteh | (well and the optics cant even handle the 5mp) | 04:34 |
| calamari | oh do the pictures look bad? | 04:34 |
| cehteh | no | 04:34 |
| cehteh | well in dark yes | 04:34 |
| crashanddie_ | too little? too small? Not too less. less is a non-comparable adverb. | 04:34 |
| cehteh | but for normal photos, the n900 cam is excellent | 04:34 |
| calamari | ahh there is one other app I use .. it silently records all my phone calls. anything like that for n900? | 04:34 |
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| crashanddie_ | or it can be the superlative of least | 04:35 |
| crashanddie_ | sorry, other way around, its superlative is least | 04:35 |
| b-man17 | calamari: http://b-man.xceleo.org/images/photos/ - some awesome pictures i took with my n900 as an example ;) | 04:36 |
| crashanddie_ | calamari: you have a sensor which is measured in millimeters, and it's still a very small numbers | 04:36 |
| crashanddie_ | calamari: so the noise in low-light environment is quite extreme | 04:36 |
| crashanddie_ | even at an ISO of 100 | 04:36 |
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| ptl | calamari: recaller | 04:37 |
| calamari | b-man17, nice! | 04:37 |
| b-man17 | ty :) | 04:37 |
| calamari | wish that would be here.. it hit 90 F today :) | 04:38 |
| * crashanddie_ longs for the day the us finally starts using a real measurement system | 04:38 | |
| b-man17 | lol, it's suppose to be 80+ here this weekend xD | 04:38 |
| * b-man17 took those pictures back in January | 04:39 | |
| b-man17 | the seasons swing wildly here xD | 04:39 |
| ptl | real measurement system == metric system? | 04:39 |
| b-man17 | 80F | 04:39 |
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| crashanddie_ | ptl: yeah, for example | 04:40 |
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| crashanddie_ | I've actually stopped converting for those lazy yanks | 04:41 |
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| crashanddie_ | I'm using real units, it's your job to convert it. | 04:41 |
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| b-man17 | it's unfortunate that the US doesn't use the metric system.. | 04:43 |
| calamari | has nothing to do with laziness | 04:43 |
| calamari | yeah it is, because I don't have the mental image of metric lengths and Celsius temps that you do | 04:44 |
| b-man17 | lol, hey, i'm in the us - ohio to be exact xD | 04:44 |
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| ptl | You have: tempF(90) | 04:45 |
| ptl | You want: tempC 32.222222 | 04:45 |
| crashanddie_ | calamari: then train yourself to. It's not hard, you can very easily remember a few numbers and then do the math in your head | 04:46 |
| crashanddie_ | calamari: except for temperature, I can convert nearly anything from metric to empirical and back without an issue | 04:47 |
| b-man17 | i personally think that if you grew up with metric, it would be easer to understand - whereas a person who has not grown up with it will find it a bit confusing | 04:47 |
| crashanddie_ | (roughly though) | 04:47 |
| calamari | oh I have the 2.54 cm=1 inch memorized | 04:47 |
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| * b-man17 somewhat has km-units-to-mile-units memorized :) | 04:49 | |
| ptl | let's see if I can open my thesis in lyx on the N900 | 04:49 |
| crashanddie_ | 3ft = 1m, 1 yard ~= 1m, 1lb = 500gr, 1m = 1.5 km, etc | 04:49 |
| crashanddie_ | australia went metric, you don't see them complaining, quite the contrary | 04:50 |
| crashanddie_ | and the uk is just a mess, they don't know what to use and when | 04:50 |
| crashanddie_ | when it's cold they use celsius, when it's warm they use fahrenheid | 04:50 |
| b-man17 | lol | 04:50 |
| crashanddie_ | "OMG it's -4!!!", "OMG it's 100 DEGREES" | 04:50 |
| ptl | hmmm, sort of | 04:50 |
| ptl | I need to customize it further | 04:50 |
| calamari | hahahaha | 04:50 |
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| calamari | there was a stretch of freeway here (I-19) that was measured in kilometers, but the speed limit signs were still in mph | 04:51 |
| crashanddie_ | and sorry, but the US just sound ridiculous when you watch CNN, and they go "And a new blizzard might be underway, as temperatures have dropped down to 10 degrees" | 04:52 |
| calamari | but I think they replaced the km markers with mile markers | 04:52 |
| calamari | problem 1 is watching CNN | 04:52 |
| cehteh | how about we all using planck units? :) | 04:52 |
| crashanddie_ | I remember this guy getting caught speeding, he was doing something like 240 kph, he went to court, and they asked him why he was driving so fast, and he said he hadn't broken the law | 04:53 |
| b-man17 | lol | 04:53 |
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| crashanddie_ | they asked him to explain,and he said that according to some old law, the official time measurement in France (where he was caught) was the second, and the official distance measurement was the meter. Hence, when the speed limit showed "130", he read it as "130 meters per second" | 04:54 |
| crashanddie_ | which equates as something like 450 kph | 04:54 |
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| calamari | the sign didn't specify the units? | 04:56 |
| ptl | he was freed? | 04:56 |
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| crashanddie_ | And he was right, at the time, there was no legal specification of the units used on roadsigns | 04:56 |
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| crashanddie_ | well, the story goes he got off, no idea if it's true though | 04:57 |
| bullet` | hello room | 04:57 |
| bullet` | no pr1.2 still ? | 04:57 |
| crashanddie_ | hey bullet` | 04:57 |
| crashanddie_ | bullet`: did your n900 update, or prompt you for an update? | 04:57 |
| ptl | bullet`: it's out already | 04:57 |
| ptl | bullet`: I am still downloading it | 04:57 |
| ptl | bullet`: go to Application Manager and click on update! | 04:58 |
| cehteh | hail our test-bunny :) | 04:58 |
| bullet` | tried last night .. cant connect to internet here in office right now, so will try in the evening | 04:58 |
| bullet` | is it out really ??? now huge threads on tmo !! ?? | 04:58 |
| bullet` | no* | 04:58 |
| ptl | I was kidding. | 04:59 |
| ptl | not really. ;) | 04:59 |
| bullet` | ohhh | 04:59 |
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| njsf_ | ptl: you are sadistic :) | 04:59 |
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| ptl | \lol | 05:00 |
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| man_in_ltop | sadistic or masochistic? | 05:03 |
| ptl | both | 05:03 |
| ptl | I'm waiting too | 05:04 |
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| man_in_ltop | waiting for a mirror so you can take pleasure from watching yourself hurt yourself? | 05:04 |
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| Ken-Young | I don't care about pr1.2 . I just want more episodes of Little Snow Fairy Sugar in the Ovi Store. | 05:06 |
| njsf_ | man_in_ltop: I think that for that to be effective, the mirror should be defective so he would have the additional pain of not properly watching himself get hurt | 05:06 |
| ml-mobile | Ken-Young: you just confused me real good | 05:06 |
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| ptl | masochism is a paradox. If I take pleasure in taking pain, the pleasure shoudl cancel out due to the fact that masochists like pain, not pleasure, so it would take pain in not taking pain. | 05:07 |
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| man_in_ltop | ptl, i don't think psychology works like that | 05:08 |
| njsf_ | oh, Ken-Young, you are an Ovi Store connoisseur... I just ignore it. It is just sooo inconvenient to go there... Nokia really shot Ovi store on the foot by making those apps user/hidden... | 05:08 |
| crashanddie_ | ptl: fuck off with your shallow pseudo-deep thoughts. | 05:08 |
| Ken-Young | njsf, When I read the specs for the N900 I thought to myself *finally* a device to what Little Snow Fairy Sugar videos on. | 05:09 |
| calamari | goes the n900 gps still work without reception? | 05:09 |
| njsf_ | They would integrate better with those apps showing in HAM, but a special header that would launch the proper Ovi store page for payment if needed | 05:09 |
| calamari | sorry.. cell reception | 05:09 |
| ml-mobile | Ken-Young: N900 can play DVD quality video no problem | 05:09 |
| ptl | crashanddie_: you seem stressed! | 05:10 |
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| njsf_ | calamari: the GPS yes, but Ovi needs it. Mapper works ok if you already have the maps cached... | 05:12 |
| njsf_ | Ovi == Ovi Maps | 05:12 |
| calamari | thanks | 05:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | ptl: I certainly am | 05:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | ptl: the matter of fact, though, is that masochism is simply feeling pleasure things that most individuals associate with pain. One very good example is the fact that all humans are masochists when it comes to sex (as are dolphins). The body goes through quite a very, very horrible process when orgasming, yet we feel incredible pleasure. | 05:14 |
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| njsf_ | pain/pleasure, it is all just eletro-chemical stimulation... | 05:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | you secrete extreme levels of pheromones, extreme levels of adrenaline, endorphine and whatnot, your heart rate accelerates to higher levels than most top sportsmen would feel comfortable with, your blood vesels constrict and your osat levels plumet and rise chaotically every second due to incoherent breathing | 05:16 |
| crashanddie_ | Most of these usually indicate impending death. Not for nothing that philosophers during the 17th and 18th century called orgasm "La petite mort" (small death) | 05:17 |
| ptl | that's very instructive, but I was just making a pun. | 05:17 |
| crashanddie_ | I know, I was just being overly pedantic :) | 05:18 |
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| calamari | is this true? " No call logs/ call timers / missed calls / No message waiting indicator. " | 05:19 |
| ptl | I truly hope death is a giant orgasm, since orgasm is a small death. | 05:20 |
| ptl | because the time will come for me someday | 05:20 |
| ptl | ok, this is another pun. Don't kick me, please. | 05:21 |
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| bullet` | :) | 05:30 |
| bullet` | what is going on here | 05:30 |
| bullet` | unusual talk | 05:30 |
| bullet` | seems like ppl r really waiting for 1.2 :p | 05:30 |
| Ken-Young | Yup. I don't undestand why they can't give a release date. | 05:30 |
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| ml-mobile | because release dates can slip | 05:32 |
| Ken-Young | ml-mobile, Sure. But they don't always. | 05:33 |
| Ken-Young | Even if they said "Definately not before June" that would be nice to know. | 05:34 |
| ml-mobile | not always, but being noncomittal about a release date is easier than missing one and having the unwashed masses come after you | 05:34 |
| calamari | btw has there been any mention of a successor to the n900? | 05:36 |
| rm_you | calamari: way back when at the summit they mentioned the next hardware revision was planned to have multitouch... no NEW news tho AFAIK | 05:38 |
| Ken-Young | calamari, If they won't tell us when the next firmware release will happen, imagine how secretive they are about upcoming devices. | 05:39 |
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| * ptl wonders if it be called the Nokia N910 or the Nokia N1000. | 05:43 | |
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| bullet` | well rough dates has been given | 05:45 |
| bullet` | end of march like | 05:45 |
| bullet` | they should atleast release a rc of final pr 1.2 :) for those who agree :) | 05:45 |
| anotnac | it will be just the N9 | 05:45 |
| bullet` | installing an unstable firmware | 05:45 |
| Ken-Young | bullet`, Yes, there are quite a few of us who don't mind reflashing our phones. | 05:46 |
| calamari | I guess what I'm wondering is if the n900 is about to go EOL and I should wait | 05:47 |
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| Ken-Young | calamari, I think there would be a lot more hard news available about a successor cevice if it were going to be available in the next few months. | 05:50 |
| Ken-Young | s/cevice/device/ | 05:50 |
| infobot | Ken-Young meant: calamari, I think there would be a lot more hard news available about a successor device if it were going to be available in the next few months. | 05:50 |
| calamari | haha nifty little bot you have there | 05:50 |
| calamari | thanks | 05:51 |
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| Ken-Young | People had seen the N900 months before it was available for purchase. | 05:51 |
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| Ken-Young | Some were distributed to developers at conferences, etc. | 05:52 |
| bullet` | whats a EOL ? | 05:52 |
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| Ken-Young | End of life. | 05:52 |
| bullet` | oh no way | 05:52 |
| bullet` | i think n900 has good life ahead | 05:52 |
| bullet` | this qt thing happening and stuff | 05:53 |
| bullet` | i refuse to believe there is a sudden death to n900 | 05:53 |
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| bullet` | new devices will be announced and will be here in few months | 05:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hello?? the N900 *started* selling less than half a year ago, and you fear EOL? c'mon get a brain | 06:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | calamari: EOL not quite yet, but another Maemo/MeeGo device is definitely possible. | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | even if they roll out N900++ tomorrow, this by no means is EOL for N900. Especially since next device is probably without kbd and with capacitive touchscreen. A *lot* of people will hate it and go for a N900 even if it were slower and more expensive than the successor | 06:19 |
| calamari | DocScrutinizer, thanks, I didn't realize it was only 6 months old | 06:19 |
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| crashanddie_ | calamari: less than that, it only started shipping what... december? | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 06:20 |
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| ptl | not me | 06:26 |
| ptl | oops | 06:26 |
| ptl | wrong window, sorry | 06:26 |
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| bullet` | december yes | 06:30 |
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| bullet` | and when is meego dropping ? | 06:33 |
| bullet` | that also had to be end of march | 06:33 |
| bullet` | 31rst march is here | 06:33 |
| ptl | 1 april is day one | 06:34 |
| bullet` | i am not taking 1rst april for anything now | 06:35 |
| bullet` | maybe a 600mb file on 1rst april full of 0 ascii !!! | 06:35 |
| bullet` | :) | 06:35 |
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| drum | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RyHDOCOoew | 06:43 |
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| ds3 | Curses to the @#%#@$@%$#$%@#$@ USB charging | 06:43 |
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| crashanddie_ | 0 ascii? | 07:04 |
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| * GAN900 chuckles at the voting overview. | 07:26 | |
| GAN900 | Polarizing candidates FTW! | 07:26 |
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| cehteh | hehe i didnt apply :P | 07:32 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: results out? | 07:34 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, somebody needs to run the calcs | 07:35 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm at work, I can :) | 07:35 |
| GAN900 | The raw votes are up, though. | 07:35 |
| crashanddie_ | it's not like I have anything to do or anything | 07:35 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: link? | 07:35 |
| GAN900 | http://maemo.org/vote | 07:36 |
| GAN900 | dneary should have the calcs on the wiki somewhere | 07:36 |
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| Stskeeps | that's not a lot of vote | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | s | 07:36 |
| GAN900 | though I'm sure he would prefer if it weren't publicly pre-announced. | 07:36 |
| GAN900 | People suck. | 07:37 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: that a ridiculously small amount of vote | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | i think the personal attacks thread probably didn't help | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:38 |
| GAN900 | More candidates you have the fewer votes you get, apparently? | 07:38 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, what a mess that was | 07:39 |
| GAN900 | At least it only lasted about a page and a half. | 07:39 |
| bullet` | what r u guys talking about ? | 07:40 |
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| Stskeeps | bullet`: maemo.org council elections | 07:41 |
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| bullet` | ok | 07:42 |
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| Guest89994 | hey guys,do you know how to change wallpapers with api ? | 07:46 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: what's the algorithm again? | 07:48 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, don't recall the specifics. Should be on the wiki, though. | 07:49 |
| crashanddie_ | only two guys cast a blank vote though, that's good | 07:50 |
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| Trizt | damn, there was something I forgot to do... but then no clue whom to vote for | 07:55 |
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| bullet` | guys | 07:58 |
| bullet` | can u plz help me fix this | 07:58 |
| bullet` | on cygwin i get this warning | 07:58 |
| bullet` | cygwin warning: | 07:58 |
| bullet` | MS-DOS style path detected: /usr/local/bin/E:\Program | 07:58 |
| bullet` | Preferred POSIX equivalent is: /usr/local/bin/E:/Program | 07:58 |
| bullet` | CYGWIN environment variable option "nodosfilewarning" turns off this warning. | 07:58 |
| bullet` | Consult the user's guide for more details about POSIX paths: | 07:58 |
| bullet` | http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#using-pathnames | 07:58 |
| bullet` | Can't find E:\Program on PATH. | 07:58 |
| crashanddie_ | well | 07:58 |
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| crashanddie_ | if I may cast an initial spell on the vote data | 07:58 |
| crashanddie_ | Randall, Andrew, Ryan | 07:58 |
| crashanddie_ | First votes: Randall 97, Andrew 84, Ryan 72 | 07:59 |
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| crashanddie_ | May not be official based on the sliding vote system | 07:59 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 08:01 | |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Start by asking yourself if it matters... | 08:01 |
| crashanddie_ | In second sliding vote, three lead are: Ryan 87, Andrew 78, Randall 69 | 08:02 |
| crashanddie_ | Third sliding vote, Andrew 57, Randall 56, Attila Csipa (Attila77/achipa) 42 | 08:03 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: grats | 08:05 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa: grats | 08:06 |
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| Pogi | hi | 08:07 |
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| errordeveloper | http://pastebin.com/H4vHLqT9 | 08:19 |
| errordeveloper | that's complete output from the installer .. | 08:19 |
| errordeveloper | i get the same problem using GUI and script itself | 08:19 |
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| johnx | 'mornin | 08:21 |
| RST38h | moorning johnx | 08:21 |
| johnx | I'm playing with dbus-monitor on the N900 trying to watch for signals related to bluetooth device connections and not having much luck | 08:22 |
| RST38h | are there any? or maybe it is not leaving bluez stack? | 08:22 |
| johnx | I am using the --system flag, and running this on a desktop linux box (Ubuntu 10.04 beta) shows interesting things on bluetooth connect, but doesn't show anything on the N900 | 08:22 |
| johnx | RST38h, that's an interesting thought. I'd assumed they'd use dbus for all the bluez related communications, but maybe they have their own message passing solution | 08:23 |
| RST38h | if any... | 08:23 |
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| johnx | well, I think they have to be using some kind of message passing to get the PIN... and to trigger the "foobar baz headphones connected" status ribbon | 08:27 |
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| johnx | ok, I'll open this up a bit further: Does anyone know a sane way to sense when a specific bluetooth device connects to the N900 without polling all the time? | 08:37 |
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| lucent | non-software slightly OT question for the masses; Where to get a replacement N900 stylus? | 08:59 |
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| lucent | I tried searching online retailers but I did not find a clear product to replace the stylus, looking for fellow N900 owners to chime in? | 09:00 |
| cpscotti | lucent.. there is some topic at talk.maemo for that | 09:00 |
| cpscotti | with some e-bay links | 09:00 |
| lucent | oh, eBay? No official Nokia product, then hrmm | 09:01 |
| cpscotti | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36647&highlight=stylus+ebay | 09:01 |
| cpscotti | welll.. probably there is but it will cost 1/2 a new cell phone | 09:02 |
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| lucent | that must be a joke | 09:03 |
| lucent | cpscotti: thanks for the link, regardless of my plight | 09:04 |
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| MiXu- | There are plenty of real cheap styluses in dealextreme.com but none are specifically for N900. | 09:05 |
| lucent | if this is uncommon, I will try to contact Nokia for a replacement and then buy a secondary stylus to use | 09:06 |
| cpscotti | lucent: ur wlcm | 09:06 |
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| lucent | http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 | 09:07 |
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| cehteh | lucent: the original stylus costs 6 Eur (plus any premium the repair shop adds) .. should be available/orderable at official nokia repair shops | 09:10 |
| cehteh | ah .. heh ok you found that list | 09:11 |
| lucent | I'm in US location though, still searching how to buy it from here | 09:12 |
| cehteh | no nokia care point somewhere there? | 09:12 |
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| lucent | I don't think that there is, I am in Jackson, WY USA | 09:13 |
| cehteh | no idea | 09:14 |
| johnx | I don't think Nokia cares in the US :) | 09:14 |
| lucent | ^^ | 09:14 |
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| cehteh | hehe there was a talk about maemo on the chemnizer linuxtage with nice sales figures | 09:15 |
| njsf_ | johnx: when LTE is prevalent in the US Nokia will care a LOT | 09:16 |
| johnx | will the US actually use the same LTE freq as the EU? | 09:16 |
| bullet` | LTE is ? | 09:16 |
| MiXu- | Is the EU LTE frequency decided? | 09:16 |
| njsf_ | Long Term Evolution == 4G | 09:16 |
| MiXu- | wimax is also 4G, so it's not that simple :) | 09:16 |
| njsf_ | I think the freq. is a red herring. | 09:16 |
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| johnx | MiXu-, LTE is the "4G" protocol people will actually use in numbers | 09:17 |
| MiXu- | johnx: Yes, most likely so. | 09:17 |
| njsf_ | MiXu-: ok ok, if you insist on full correctness LTE is a 4G protocol poised to be the most used | 09:17 |
| MiXu- | at least in the EU | 09:17 |
| lucent | WiMax is available in my city, and it is not competitive | 09:18 |
| tybollt | MiXu-: most likely? Dude LTE is in production :) | 09:18 |
| johnx | Would you actually bet money that WiMax will win out in any nation over LTE once LTE is actually available? | 09:18 |
| tybollt | LTE is some kind of industry backed somethng... | 09:18 |
| MiXu- | tybollt: I haven't seen a live LTE network yet, but there are wimax networks. | 09:18 |
| tybollt | wimax is what, qualcom and intel? :) | 09:18 |
| tybollt | MiXu-: LTE is live in Stockholm. | 09:19 |
| MiXu- | Ah, alright. | 09:19 |
| lucent | hey, guys, what I'm saying is I have access to WiMax and nobody wants it here where I live - it is too expensive and slow | 09:19 |
| tybollt | MiXu-: Granted there are only USB dongles, no phones - yet | 09:19 |
| tybollt | yes | 09:19 |
| tybollt | wimax is an intel tech - the other players don't care about it | 09:19 |
| tybollt | -> high prices | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, n810w :P | 09:19 |
| MiXu- | I don't care either. I'm just pointing out that wimax has more coverage at the moment than LTE. | 09:20 |
| tybollt | LTE will be made by nokia/siemens, ericsson etc etc so logic says it should be more competetive price wise | 09:20 |
| cehteh | http://ingoebel.de/vortrag_maemo_clt.pdf look at page 5 :) | 09:20 |
| cehteh | N.AM = North America | 09:20 |
| tybollt | cehteh: or "NA" as the rest of us would've said it :P | 09:21 |
| cehteh | well .. us market is odd compared to the rest | 09:21 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:22 |
| njsf_ | cehteh: you have not seen Brazil market have you ? | 09:22 |
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| cehteh | ROW ... rest of world | 09:22 |
| njsf_ | Same kind of hodge-podge of TDMA/CDMA now almost GSM/EDGE/HSDPA fully | 09:22 |
| njsf_ | Brazil is rest of the world, it is not US man | 09:23 |
| tybollt | Jaffa: looks like you made it then, congrats buddy :) | 09:23 |
| njsf_ | don't redefine. | 09:23 |
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| Jaffa | tybollt: thanks :) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: random question, 3 people only? isn't there more in council? | 09:24 |
| tybollt | Jaffa: (no, I don't know you, I'm just a suck up now you're in charge ;) ;) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:24 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: is it 3 or 5? | 09:25 |
| crashanddie_ | Can't remember | 09:25 |
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| crashanddie_ | if it's 5 I'm an idiot :P | 09:25 |
| tybollt | must... not... comment... ;) | 09:25 |
| crashanddie_ | is it 5? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | well you are | 09:25 |
| crashanddie_ | hehehe | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | last council was texrat, qole, gcobb, penguinbait, vdvsx | 09:25 |
| crashanddie_ | ok, well let's put it this way: the other 2 are too close to call | 09:25 |
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| * lucent orders replacement stylus and learns Finnish in the process | 09:26 | |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: you sound like an American news channel | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | which, fox news? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:26 |
| lucent | Stskeeps: "Faux News" | 09:26 |
| tybollt | now now stskeeps, that is just plain derogatory :P | 09:27 |
| Jaffa | Are positions r & 5 our Florida in 2000? | 09:27 |
| * tybollt calls being jeb bush | 09:27 | |
| Jaffa | lucent: that still contains the word "news" | 09:27 |
| johnx | lucent, It's going to be awesome when you make make a simple translation mistake and end up with two palettes of frozen peas | 09:27 |
| * njsf_ starts preparing to verify the vote,,, | 09:27 | |
| Jaffa | tybollt: Now the revolution's come, you can be last against the wall | 09:27 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa: sorry | 09:28 |
| tybollt | Jaffa: :D | 09:28 |
| crashanddie_ | well, my bad, I'm tired | 09:28 |
| * tybollt wonders why jaffa is playing rage-against-the-machine_bullet-in-your-head.mp3... hmmm ;) | 09:28 | |
| * Jaffa hopes that javispedro gets in | 09:28 | |
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| crashanddie_ | I've fixed my reply on tmo, by the same account (only 32% of votes tallied), the two other council members should be javispedro and attila77 | 09:28 |
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| crashanddie_ | again, this is only based on the first 2 sliding votes | 09:29 |
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| * Jaffa now starts eyeing (eying?) up the big prize | 09:29 | |
| crashanddie_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=589215#post589215 | 09:30 |
| pupnik | i am not happy with responsiveness now | 09:30 |
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| crashanddie_ | amazingly, around half of the voters have voted for 10 candidates (all 10 sliding votes) | 09:30 |
| crashanddie_ | only 5% of voters have voted for one single candidate | 09:31 |
| crashanddie_ | and only 2 have not voted at all (blank) | 09:31 |
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| crashanddie_ | dneary will probably crap all over me for release those numbers, btw | 09:32 |
| tybollt | crashanddie_: who were eligible to vote anyway? I assume it had something to do w/ karma? | 09:32 |
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| pupnik | did you feel strongly for or against any particular candidates (not naming names) crashanddie_ ? | 09:32 |
| crashanddie_ | I didn't vote | 09:33 |
| Jaffa | tybollt: anyone with a maemo.olrg account older than 3 months and karma >= 10 | 09:33 |
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| tybollt | Jaffa: ack... | 09:33 |
| tybollt | then I wasn't eligible, good shitz ;) | 09:33 |
| crashanddie_ | pupnik: and yeah, obviously I feel strongly for some or against some... | 09:33 |
| tybollt | (means I'm no slacker ;) | 09:33 |
| pupnik | i had trouble deciding, since i dont know how heavily i want to weigh specific positive attributes for the position | 09:34 |
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| johnx | note: ignore my earlier rambling about problems with dbus/bluez on the N900. I was ssh'ed into the wrong Maemo device at the time ... | 09:36 |
| * johnx facepalms | 09:37 | |
| lucent | that's, awesome. | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 09:37 |
| pupnik | how do i quantitatively evaluate "enthusiasm", "forum leadership", "technical advocacy".. | 09:37 |
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| crashanddie_ | though, I'd like to know how many maemo users were eligible for votes | 09:38 |
| tybollt | do that all the time.. change ulimit and then still get the same problems... only to realize I was sshed into a remote box where I changed ulimits and not on my local machine ;) | 09:38 |
| tybollt | I do that* | 09:38 |
| johnx | pupnik, 5, 12389712/1232, and 1.3x10^14 | 09:38 |
| crashanddie_ | only 400 votes, while the community has nearly doubled... | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | community doubled but not as many has gotten into the community processes | 09:38 |
| pupnik | not bad johnx :) | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | and while it has doubled we've mostly had a lame duck council | 09:39 |
| johnx | mmmmm...duck | 09:39 |
| tybollt | mmmh duck *drool* | 09:39 |
| * njsf_ thinks the duck season is still a long time away | 09:40 | |
| johnx | duck drool? gross | 09:40 |
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| pupnik | there is a chinese soup made from bird saliva | 09:40 |
| squidd_ | I bet that tastes good | 09:42 |
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| lucent | grr, I have to launch Qt app from commandline to access the uSD media | 09:45 |
| crashanddie_ | results generated by OpenSTV:Winners are Randall Arnold (texrat), Andrew Flegg (Jaffa), Attila Csipa (Attila77/achipa), Javier S. Pedro (JaviSPedro), and Ryan Abel (GeneralAntilles). | 09:45 |
| lucent | Qt app file browse won't go to the uSD media | 09:45 |
| tybollt | lucent: usd? | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: at least it seems like we'll have a sane council | 09:46 |
| lucent | tybollt: "microSD" | 09:46 |
| tybollt | heh | 09:46 |
| lucent | sorry my use of the lowercase U for 'mu' | 09:46 |
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| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: don't talk too soon, there's still Texrat, GA and Jaffa on there | 09:46 |
| tybollt | so GA made it? | 09:47 |
| tybollt | Good shitz | 09:47 |
| crashanddie_ | yup | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: i believe the most constructive meetings are the ones where people disagree slightly | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:47 |
| crashanddie_ | as long as they are sane enough to be able to agree to disagree, and move on | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:47 |
| crashanddie_ | how many times have we seen important matters getting dragged along for years because of petty fights between politicians | 09:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | and how many times have we seen utterly unimportant matters getting way too much attention for the same reason | 09:48 |
| tybollt | crashanddie_: or like the missus who promptly sent the laptop flying across the room last night when I told her she was wrong... now wouldn't that kind of behaviour be good for council meetings? :) | 09:48 |
| johnx | crashanddie, how many times have we seen right win out through persistence? | 09:48 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: thanks for running them through OpenSTV | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: better than a missus pouring salt water in your electronics | 09:49 |
| tybollt | hehe ouch you had that? :S | 09:49 |
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| Stskeeps | no, story from ex-gf of what her mother did to one of the mother's ex bfs after he cheated on her.. | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:50 |
| tybollt | ugh | 09:50 |
| johnx | heh. I actually "resurrected" a co-workers macbook this last weekend. They were lucky that it had actually been just plain tap water that had gotten spilled on it | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | i saw someone who had poured red wine on their macbook | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | it got sucked into the screen from one of the corners | 09:52 |
| lucent | okay I bought three replacement N900 stylus for $23 USD, if anyone wants to buy one for $8 in the US then I can probably mail it in a plain envelope ;) | 09:52 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, bummer | 09:52 |
| johnx | I saw rum and coke go through a dell ... and it was running the next morning with no intervention | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | i think the drains in keyboard should be standard inventory :P | 09:53 |
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| johnx | it must cost quite a bit to design that in | 09:53 |
| johnx | Lenovo dropped them off of the lower-end thinkpads | 09:53 |
| tybollt | I once dropped my Siemens mobile (the small silvery one) ina mug of beer - fucker worked after being entirly submerged for ~five minutes, granted the screen was entirely bust | 09:54 |
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| * johnx is looking forward to a generation of gadgets that is *much* more water resistant than what we have right now | 09:56 | |
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| crashanddie_ | johnx & Stskeeps: I spilt beer on my macbook within the first week of having it | 10:00 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm suspecting that Jobs' liver didn't just have cancer, he's been drinking and teaching his hardware how to do it too! | 10:00 |
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| johnx | heh. well, having taken apart a white macbook now I can tell you they don't have a terribly good provision for dealing with liquids poured through the kayboard (AFAICT) | 10:01 |
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| crashanddie_ | didn't notice any issues with it | 10:01 |
| crashanddie_ | I do it on a weekly basis | 10:02 |
| crashanddie_ | stops the shaking even though is has some hickups sometimes | 10:02 |
| crashanddie_ | Plus it goes to sleep a lot faster | 10:02 |
| johnx | >_> | 10:02 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, congrats :) | 10:02 |
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| VDVsx | GAN900, congrats :) | 10:03 |
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| crashanddie_ | VDVsx: so, what do you think of the new council? | 10:06 |
| crashanddie_ | VDVsx: who would you like to see as the council chair? | 10:06 |
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| joga | hmm...I wonder if this is some bug with batterygraph or if it's supposed to be like this...I've been recharging for about 1.5 hours now and the percentage/charge in the graph is a horizontal line, no progress is being made according to it | 10:07 |
| joga | if I do lshal|grep battery it also shows 11% | 10:07 |
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| joga | the battery indicator is rolling so I would expect it to charge | 10:08 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie_, I like it :D sorry for the rest of the candidates, but my favorite 'set' was chosen ;) | 10:08 |
| crashanddie_ | It's amazing to see how little the transferable vote changes in the end | 10:08 |
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| joga | and now, suddenly that I refreshed the graph again a few times, it immediately jumped to 57% | 10:09 |
| joga | now, why is that... | 10:09 |
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| johnx | joga, have you checked into the thread? I seem to remember something about that being mentioned by the developer | 10:09 |
| * man_in_ltop waves | 10:09 | |
| joga | johnx: no, I haven't checked yet | 10:09 |
| tybollt | crashanddie_: seriously - you will make pie charts - right? :) | 10:09 |
| man_in_ltop | anyone know how to use gtk.FileChooserButton in pygtk? :) | 10:09 |
| crashanddie_ | I mean, I computed it through an excel spreadsheet, I ran it as a single non-transferable vote, and as a full meek/scottish STV, and all the results were exactly the same | 10:09 |
| crashanddie_ | tybollt: the charts are on tmo :P | 10:09 |
| tybollt | meh :$ | 10:10 |
| johnx | I think the batterygraph updates from one source (the most accurate one) and the UI uses multiple sources to "guess" at the battery percentage | 10:10 |
| johnx | (by the UI I mean Nokia's stuff) | 10:10 |
| tybollt | well | 10:10 |
| tybollt | if you get sudden "jumps" when charging a battery | 10:10 |
| crashanddie_ | tybollt: no, but it is an important point. It's been 3 elections where there was *no* difference between full SNTV, or any of the STVs (except for cambridge stv, but that always changes everything, and requires two voting sessions) | 10:11 |
| tybollt | and it is consistent throughout a series of charges -> you may have a dead cell in your battery | 10:11 |
| crashanddie_ | so why do we bother with the STV if it doesn't change anything? | 10:11 |
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| joga | tybollt: I'm not sure if it's because a couple of days ago I used a nokia charger (with the small tip) with the adapter bundled with n900, and it didn't seem to supply enough power to the device because it shut down while recharging (and playing music). couldn't get it to boot for a while until I let it recharge for half an hour or so, I was worried it somehow damaged the battery but not sure if that's very probable | 10:12 |
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| tybollt | joga: no | 10:13 |
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| tybollt | joga: don't worry about it | 10:13 |
| joga | I let it charge over the night with that same charger, and noted that the graph showed it recharging extremely slowly, like just 30% or so in the course of 7 hours | 10:13 |
| tybollt | joga: however yes that can happen, that the battery drains although it is being charged | 10:13 |
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| tybollt | joga: the charger is a charger only - not a PSU | 10:14 |
| crashanddie_ | joga: also, please note that you need to "treat your battery well" | 10:14 |
| crashanddie_ | joga: I have noticed that if you let your battery drain, the next charge will be "less powerful" | 10:14 |
| joga | I try not to treat it badly ;) | 10:14 |
| joga | that was the first time ever that it has drained so completely | 10:14 |
| crashanddie_ | joga: however, if you charge it regularly before it drains completely, you get better milleage (at least I do) | 10:14 |
| crashanddie_ | If I allow it to drain, I'll be lucky to have a day's use out of it. If I recharge it before it drains completely for 3 or 4 days, I'll get 2 days of use out of the battery | 10:15 |
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| tybollt | I'll make sure to have joga indicted on grounds of battery cruelty | 10:15 |
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| tybollt | this is outrageous ;-) | 10:15 |
| joga | what I'm just curious about is that after I updated batterygraph it seems to be reporting incorrect or imprecise values (or something's wrong with updating it) | 10:15 |
| crashanddie_ | ~burn joga | 10:15 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over joga, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 10:15 | |
| joga | but I guess that's not a big deal if it works | 10:15 |
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| joga | ;( | 10:16 |
| crashanddie_ | ~clamor No to battery abuse | 10:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | OY! | 10:16 |
| crashanddie_ | ~answer me | 10:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | ~dead? | 10:16 |
| infobot | yes :( | 10:16 |
| tybollt | ~sup biatch | 10:16 |
| johnx | ~lart crashanddie | 10:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | ~rape johnx | 10:17 |
| * infobot takes johnx behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 10:17 | |
| tybollt | :D | 10:17 |
| johnx | joga, so it used to show a 'normal' graph while charging? | 10:17 |
| crashanddie_ | ~spam johnx | 10:17 |
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| dan2003 | i was doin an at-get upgrade last night, which recomened an apt-get -f install, as it was going the status led went white (i though - uhu, reboot iminent, think its the watchdog that does it) and sure enough it rebooted a few seconds later, now the thing reboots consaly just as it start to load the desktop. can this be resolved without reflashing? is there a way to access bootloader menu? (i'm quite experienced with linux so think i have a chnance if i can | 10:17 |
| dan2003 | just get to some cmd prompt) | 10:17 |
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| tybollt | ~op | 10:18 |
| infobot | hmm... op is a wallet | 10:18 |
| tybollt | ;) | 10:18 |
| joga | johnx: I mean, it used to show a 'precise' graph, ie. such that is constantly updating with proper values while charging (a smooth slope upwards), now I seem to get like "11%...*sudden jump*.....57%.......*sudden jump?*.....x %" | 10:18 |
| crashanddie_ | dan2003: do NOT use apt-get upgrade | 10:18 |
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| crashanddie_ | joga: the sensor in the battery isn't meant to be extremely accurate | 10:18 |
| joga | johnx: but I've only got those when I've manually pressed refresh in the graph, not sure if I would get them otherwise | 10:18 |
| crashanddie_ | joga: don't forget, it's a phone, not a laptop battery | 10:18 |
| joga | crashanddie_: point is, it *was* accurate, now it's useless | 10:19 |
| crashanddie_ | ah | 10:19 |
| crashanddie_ | my bad, i'll stfu | 10:19 |
| johnx | joga, I still think the best info you'll get will come out of that thread. As I recall, people had very similar questions, and the author explained how he gathered info from the battery | 10:19 |
| dan2003 | crashanddie_: oops, one of the fourms on talk.maemo.org sugests it. was try to resolve a strnage issue where the device reported as beeing on pr1.1.1 but the update manage said it was avaible to be installed, but only via PC | 10:20 |
| johnx | dan2003, off the top of my head, I don't think there's a good way to do what you want | 10:20 |
| joga | johnx: fair enough, I guess I'll read it when I have time | 10:20 |
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| crashanddie_ | dan2003: if you're doing it for a specific reason, and it was recommended by a good member on TMO, you should be fine. Sadly sometimes the rootfs can get completely full, which causes stuff to crash, and then when it attempts to boot it crashes again and again | 10:21 |
| johnx | dan2003, wait, are you saying you already have bootmenu installed? | 10:21 |
| crashanddie_ | dan2003: unless you have bootmenu installed, you won't be able to access it, as johnx just pointed out while I was writing it | 10:22 |
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| dan2003 | johnx: aha, no i have not previosuly installed bootmenu, i was hoping for some key press at boot tat would reveal one or drop me to a rescu shell | 10:24 |
| * noobmonk3y waves | 10:24 | |
| johnx | nope | 10:24 |
| dan2003 | the rootfs had around 50meg free last time i checked, (quite recently) | 10:25 |
| tybollt | crashanddie_: actually I had more problems and more useless laptop batts then had I ever phone ones... | 10:25 |
| johnx | though I keep wondering if there's anything that prevents a flashable bootmenu-ized initfs from being made except for copyright concerns | 10:25 |
| crashanddie_ | did i say the contrary? | 10:25 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie_: no... I'm just saying :) | 10:25 |
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| cehteh | my rootfs is full .. grr | 10:26 |
| noobmonk3y | meh meh | 10:26 |
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| cehteh | i guess thats not fixed in 1.2 .. putting /usr/share on emmc or so | 10:28 |
| cehteh | me does just that now | 10:28 |
| johnx | errr...just make sure you don't put anything there that's needed before it's mounted ... | 10:29 |
| cehteh | yeah | 10:30 |
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| cehteh | mhm .. but how? | 10:30 |
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| * johnx shrugs | 10:30 | |
| dan2003 | interesting how rthe alarm clock still works and has a ui - i guess thats a seperarte very small fw /(initramfs) ui and sounds all the same as when main ui is running | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | dan2003: as it in waking up the device? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | that's actually full X :P | 10:31 |
| dan2003 | yes, from fully poered off | 10:31 |
| johnx | dan2003, can you get the N900 to be a USB client while in that mode? | 10:31 |
| dan2003 | but it wont bootnormally, just keeps rebooting | 10:31 |
| dan2003 | i will check | 10:31 |
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| dan2003 | might have to wait till 7:30 tomorrow morning tho | 10:32 |
| cehteh | it boots :) | 10:32 |
| johnx | cehteh, lucky lucky | 10:32 |
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| cehteh | i meant for alarm | 10:32 |
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| cehteh | for share i am still rsyncing | 10:32 |
| cehteh | ah done | 10:32 |
| johnx | cehteh, taking bets on it booting? :) | 10:33 |
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| dan2003 | from powered off, pluggin usb make the nokia screen comeup, and the MyDocs partition appear as normal, no acess to rootfs by looks of it | 10:33 |
| cehteh | rather, how do make it bulltet proof | 10:34 |
| cehteh | adding a small boot script which would restore it when the first boot fails | 10:34 |
| johnx | dan2003, I'm trying to think of some way you could get the device to react to a file copied onto that partition | 10:34 |
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| johnx | cehteh, good thought. if I were you, I'd install bootmenu :) | 10:35 |
| cehteh | what does that do? | 10:35 |
| dan2003 | just someway to dsiable the watchdog would resolve the issue | 10:35 |
| * johnx wonders if that can still be disable by the flasher | 10:35 | |
| dan2003 | the white light that comes up saying a reboot is cocuringmust be watchdog realtes - it comes on , but i can see the desktop continueung to load as for a short while after the white light is on | 10:36 |
| cehteh | johnx: what does bootmenu offer? | 10:36 |
| style | any ideas why nokia ovi store says that my phone isnt supported? | 10:36 |
| johnx | cehteh, emergency telnetd | 10:36 |
| cehteh | you have a china clone n900? :) | 10:36 |
| joga | hmm...ok, the battery thing seems to be because apparently charge is not updated while charging (anymore??), if I do lshal|grep charge_level the value only updates a few seconds after I've disconnected the cord | 10:36 |
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| style | cehteh: no | 10:37 |
| style | finnish | 10:37 |
| cehteh | johnx: on what wlan? adhoc? | 10:37 |
| johnx | usb ethernet | 10:37 |
| FredrIQ | hm | 10:37 |
| cehteh | uhm havent set that up, i better make a boot script restoring /usr/share on failure | 10:38 |
| FredrIQ | charging state is really out of sync in N900 | 10:38 |
| johnx | (as long as N900 has the same features as N8x0 bootmenu, that is) | 10:38 |
| FredrIQ | it's annoying | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't, yet | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | (usb networking) | 10:38 |
| johnx | ah, bummer | 10:38 |
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| cehteh | hacking a few lines into rcS .. | 10:39 |
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| joga | weird anyway...if I scroll back the batterygraph display to the point where the older version was in use, I see smooth slopes when charging, which would indicate that the charge state *does* get updated unless it has just interpolated it somehow, but not anymore | 10:41 |
| joga | oh well. | 10:41 |
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| cehteh | http://pastebin.com/VyVyY7uG | 10:42 |
| cehteh | .. any bets on that? :) | 10:42 |
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| johnx | looks good. make sure it actually gets run in time :) | 10:42 |
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| cehteh | /etc/init.d/rcS runs pretty early .. but lemme check | 10:43 |
| dan2003 | im trying to use eclipse/esbox to reflash my phone, but at the check phone id stage it keeps tellingme don't have an internet connection! any idea what that is about? | 10:45 |
| dan2003 | its always managed to down all the other bits and bobs wen doing development and it decides it needs to install something | 10:46 |
| johnx | what OS is your desktop running? Is there a reason you aren't just using the commandline flasher? | 10:46 |
| * noobmonk3y should really get outta bed n goto work :( | 10:46 | |
| dan2003 | johnx: Linux/Gentto, only reason is that i didnt know there was one ;0 | 10:47 |
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| johnx | noobmonk3y, boooo! don't do that! | 10:47 |
| noobmonk3y | :( | 10:47 |
| noobmonk3y | only got 14 minutes.... :( | 10:47 |
| johnx | I'm helping :) | 10:47 |
| dan2003 | ah! i suspeect its my Ornage mobile inernet be as uselss as usueal, when i try to access webpage i just get a squid proxy error atm | 10:48 |
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| johnx | dan2003, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 10:48 |
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| dan2003 | johnx: thanks, i will check that out | 10:49 |
| Wolfie | how freaky was this... my N900 was fully charged yesterday as I left the workplace. Now as I came back to work this morning, it beeped of low battery | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | let it charge when you charge (sleep) | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:50 |
| Wolfie | and only last weekend I had the phone survive a three-day weekend without recharging | 10:50 |
| johnx | 24 hours is closer to normal | 10:50 |
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| jacekowski | Wolfie: skype running? | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | Wolfie: weak gsm coverage? | 10:50 |
| Wolfie | jacekowski: nope. I should've not had any services on | 10:51 |
| johnx | probably has to do with either 1) usage or if it was just idling in both cases 2) cell tower coverage | 10:51 |
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| cehteh | btw sip isnt integrated as well as skype or? | 10:51 |
| Wolfie | and the coverage shouldn't be too weak there | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | yeah coverage is battery killer | 10:51 |
| noobmonk3y | right... work :( see yall laters | 10:51 |
| dan2003 | k - brb - need to reconnect my bb | 10:51 |
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| Wolfie | Yesterday, when i charged the phone via USB, the charging LED did blink weirdly slow... | 10:51 |
| * johnx brought USB -> micro-A cable to work | 10:52 | |
| Wolfie | i'm ready to write this off as a one-off oddity, but thought to ask here if someone else had experienced such fluctiations | 10:52 |
| johnx | I think most people are pretty used to getting a work-day of use or so | 10:52 |
| johnx | also: keep in mind that running it flat repeatedly will reduce the overall battery lifetime | 10:53 |
| Wolfie | johnx: are you sure? isn't that NiCD-batteries? isn't the n900 battery a li-ion, meaning it likes to be drained on each cycle, and constantly keeping it in charge will break it easier? | 10:54 |
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| Wolfie | hm, or perhaps I meant NiMH... can't remember | 10:54 |
| Wolfie | the older ones, anyways :) | 10:54 |
| johnx | Wolfie, got it exactly backwards :) | 10:54 |
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| cehteh | /damnit :P | 10:56 |
| johnx | cehteh, not booting? | 10:57 |
| cehteh | booting test seems to boot twice .. and reactivates the old dir | 10:57 |
| cehteh | i make a dry test :) | 10:57 |
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| tybollt | Wolfie: li-ion doesn't like being drained, li-cd does | 10:58 |
| cehteh | create a /usr/sharetest and /usr/sharetest.bak .. and it swaped it in on reboot | 10:58 |
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| Wolfie | tybollt: so, li-ion simply doesn't care, it just don't like cycles in general? | 10:58 |
| johnx | tybollt, where can I purchase these li-cd batteries you speak of? :) | 10:58 |
| tybollt | Wolfie: li-cd develops "memory" if it is constantly not discharged (that is why licd chargers often comes w/ a "discharge" function). | 10:58 |
| tybollt | ehr | 10:59 |
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| johnx | :) | 10:59 |
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| Wolfie | i've never heard of li-cd... | 10:59 |
| tybollt | nicd - ffs | 10:59 |
| tybollt | :) | 10:59 |
| Wolfie | ah, thought as much :D | 10:59 |
| tybollt | jajaja | 10:59 |
| tybollt | splitting cunthairs are we? :) | 10:59 |
| Wolfie | never tried, so couldn't say | 11:00 |
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| johnx | tybollt, crap, I thought I turned that webcam off ... errr O_o; | 11:00 |
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| Wolfie | tybollt: actually, it develops bubbles around the anode (or was it cathode. both?), which inhibits the chemicals to react with the metals :) | 11:02 |
| johnx | li-ions and li-polymers don't being deep cycled all the time. only exception is (AFAIR) it's best to store them at 40% of you're planning to not use them for loooong periods of time. They don't have a good shelf life anyways though so it's best to just buy new though | 11:02 |
| Wolfie | or, so was it explained somewhere | 11:02 |
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| Wolfie | johnx: duly noted | 11:03 |
| cehteh | man ... | 11:03 |
| cehteh | either rcS is called twice .. or a normal shutdown/startup procedure boots the device twice | 11:04 |
| cehteh | i suspect the later | 11:04 |
| jaska | lithium-6 deuteride batteries, good energy density but cant be recharged :) | 11:04 |
| tybollt | we need fuel cells | 11:04 |
| johnx | I want my 20-year radio-isotope generator ;) | 11:05 |
| johnx | cehteh, think it might be called on shutdown and startup? | 11:05 |
| tybollt | pocket-tjernobyl - today - half price | 11:05 |
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| johnx | maybe store a timestamp and use that to guess whether it runs twice at boot or once on shutdown, once at boot? | 11:05 |
| cehteh | normally not | 11:05 |
| johnx | though I can tell you that lots of stuff in /usr/share is probably needed before /opt is mounted, such as icons and theme pixmaps | 11:06 |
| cehteh | i just double the code that i requires two restarts to activate | 11:06 |
| cehteh | ah moment | 11:06 |
| cehteh | i am stupid .. rcS does the mounting | 11:07 |
| cehteh | i put it on /home/share not opt | 11:07 |
| tybollt | thinko | 11:08 |
| cehteh | eh thats the same | 11:08 |
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| cehteh | another reboot | 11:10 |
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| cehteh | ok that twice-checking works | 11:12 |
| cehteh | now lets get serious | 11:13 |
| johnx | try johnx->get_serious(): Uncaught exception! | 11:13 |
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| cehteh | well still booting another time .. :P | 11:14 |
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| johnx | past 1AM here. 'night all | 11:17 |
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| cehteh | ok rebooting .. | 11:20 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:20 |
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| cehteh | great ... did not work | 11:24 |
| noobmonk3y | any pyqt experts on? :D :D | 11:25 |
| Wolfie | noobmonk3y: try #qt-maemo instead | 11:25 |
| noobmonk3y | In 3 weeks i have never had one person respond in there | 11:26 |
| Wolfie | ah | 11:26 |
| noobmonk3y | i find the bbc website has given me more qt advice then #qt-maemo ;) | 11:26 |
| cehteh | because no one is expert | 11:26 |
| noobmonk3y | lol cehteh | 11:26 |
| noobmonk3y | i an find lots of examples of what i want on teh web, just not for maemo, when i do it is always gtk :( | 11:27 |
| nidO | mm | 11:27 |
| nidO | bacon | 11:27 |
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| fale | hi | 11:29 |
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| fale | I knew that maemo 6 would have been released in the second quarter of 2010, but now, with meego etc, the plan changed? | 11:29 |
| nidO | no, harmattan's basically just been renamed "a meego instance" | 11:30 |
| fale | nidO: then it will be released in the second quarter of '10? :) | 11:31 |
| hrw | who knows... | 11:31 |
| nidO | I dont know that it was ever scheduled for a q2 release | 11:31 |
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| fale | oh, I see | 11:31 |
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| pupnik | so from whence do you 'know' that, fale ? | 11:32 |
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| fale | pupnik: it was on en.wikipedia before it was changed after the meego announcement | 11:33 |
| pupnik | interesting :) ty | 11:33 |
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| Anss| | if it is in wikipedia, it cannot be false then :) | 11:33 |
| pupnik | not for long :) | 11:34 |
| * Arif_ sneezes | 11:36 | |
| * tybollt sneezes | 11:37 | |
| * nidO cooks more bacon | 11:37 | |
| * Arif_ is done with exams for this week | 11:37 | |
| Arif_ | :D | 11:37 |
| nidO | so many years since I had to sit an exam \o/ | 11:38 |
| Arif_ | that's because you're old | 11:38 |
| Arif_ | ;( | 11:38 |
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| nidO | a grandad at 25. :< | 11:38 |
| Arif_ | heh | 11:39 |
| * tybollt hands Arif_ a bottle of clearasil - here brat - go wild | 11:39 | |
| tybollt | ;) | 11:39 |
| nidO | haha | 11:39 |
| Arif_ | pff | 11:39 |
| Arif_ | that's not edible | 11:39 |
| Arif_ | ;( | 11:39 |
| Arif_ | I'd rather have something getting rid of all that hair.... | 11:40 |
| Arif_ | :p | 11:40 |
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| * RST38h hands Arif_ a propane torch | 11:53 | |
| * Arif_ pokes RST38h with it | 11:54 | |
| * tybollt hands arif gelatinous petrol | 11:54 | |
| * Arif_ sells it | 11:54 | |
| tybollt | no, that was a hair removing kit | 11:54 |
| Arif_ | aw | 11:55 |
| Arif_ | ;( | 11:55 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 11:55 |
| Arif_ | comes back after a day anyway | 11:55 |
| Arif_ | :P | 11:55 |
| * noobmonk3y hands Arif_ some tweezers | 11:55 | |
| tybollt | no that's the point, use that kit and it will not come back | 11:55 |
| Arif_ | I'm sure it iwll | 11:55 |
| Arif_ | :D | 11:55 |
| nidO | be a girl and buy an epilator | 11:55 |
| * Arif_ goes to hunt for breakfast | 11:55 | |
| noobmonk3y | arif - too much bleach = no hair ;) | 11:55 |
| Arif_ | aw..but I like my hair.. :D | 11:56 |
| noobmonk3y | supposedly more stress also = no hair ;) | 11:56 |
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| * Arif_ hands noobmonk3y some stress | 11:58 | |
| * noobmonk3y fondles the stress | 11:58 | |
| nidO | stress? he works for the nhs in their it dept, sits on his ass all day twiddling his thumbs | 11:58 |
| nidO | :> | 11:59 |
| Arif_ | it's stressing to decide what to eat for lunch | 11:59 |
| Arif_ | :P | 11:59 |
| * tybollt find it appaling how retarded the average american joe (that is opposed to the healthcare reform) is. | 12:00 | |
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| noobmonk3y | lol nidO | 12:00 |
| noobmonk3y | slight difference, i'm the lead customer - so my job is to reign in NHS IT peoples....... | 12:00 |
| noobmonk3y | so v stressful! | 12:00 |
| tybollt | zOMG what if I end up in the emergency room at the same time as a poorian \o/ | 12:00 |
| noobmonk3y | spend most of my life translating geek into board reports | 12:00 |
| nidO | so you have to make technical shit look flashy and colourful | 12:01 |
| Arif_ | tybollt, America has health care? :O | 12:01 |
| nidO | shouldnt be hard | 12:01 |
| noobmonk3y | nidO: - well bit simpler, i ask, techy people give, i confirm they aint bullshitting, and translate that into english - less colours and no flashyness ;) | 12:01 |
| Arif_ | noobmonk3y try making Maemo 5 look flashy and colorful :P | 12:02 |
| tybollt | noobmonk3y is a marketing person? | 12:02 |
| nidO | but boards like flashy and colourful! | 12:02 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_: ;) lol..... i know i work miracles n all..... but woah | 12:02 |
| * tybollt nauseated now :-o :-o | 12:02 | |
| nidO | and, knowing the nhs, with the biggest, most overblown budget imaginable attached to the colours | 12:02 |
| noobmonk3y | tybollt: - technically i'm a techy...... but meh... "advisor/Specialist" according to my job title | 12:02 |
| noobmonk3y | big budget? | 12:02 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!!! | 12:02 |
| Arif_ | specialist? | 12:02 |
| Arif_ | you specialize in starbucks? | 12:03 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 12:03 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_: depends what day of the week it is to what i specialise in ;) | 12:03 |
| noobmonk3y | today will be pub lunches | 12:03 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, you no longer have "hitman" in your job title? | 12:03 |
| Arif_ | go eat döner! | 12:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lol lcuk ;) | 12:03 |
| * noobmonk3y does want a new job... but the NHS is kinda comfy....... | 12:04 | |
| Arif_ | does it pay comfy? | 12:04 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_: i currently have 32 days holiday + bank hols ;) | 12:04 |
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| noobmonk3y | the lack of pay isnt too bad.... | 12:04 |
| lcuk | it puts him back together when he gets papercuts from opening computer boxes | 12:05 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: me open things? thats what my staff are for lol | 12:05 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 12:07 |
| * Arif_ >>MediaPlayer Classic<< [03-30 22-12-06 Alem FM 01.ts] - [00:27:36 / 06:00:02] - [16.96GB (~823.11KB/s) - n/a - N/A] | 12:07 | |
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| crashanddie | Arif_: no scripts in this channel please | 12:10 |
| crashanddie | well, no auto-announce scripts | 12:10 |
| Arif_ | it's manual | 12:10 |
| Arif_ | but ok | 12:10 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: what are your thoughts about the elections? | 12:10 |
| Scelt | s/l/r/ | 12:11 |
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| crashanddie | ~spank Scelt | 12:11 |
| * infobot bends Scelt over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Scelt's pasty white buttocks. | 12:11 | |
| Arif_ | iBot? | 12:11 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, havent looked yet, wheres the announce | 12:11 |
| crashanddie | infobot | 12:11 |
| * Scelt giggles | 12:11 | |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: tmo | 12:12 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=589215&postcount=17 | 12:12 |
| lcuk | tells me much i dont randomly browse in daytime, thx crashanddie | 12:12 |
| crashanddie | np | 12:12 |
| noobmonk3y | 399.... that's still mopre then last one isn't it? | 12:14 |
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| crashanddie | not sure | 12:14 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh the man who will know ;) | 12:14 |
| noobmonk3y | dneary: welcome ;) | 12:14 |
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| dneary_ | Anyone want a sneak preview of the election results? | 12:15 |
| dneary_ | hi noobmonk3y | 12:15 |
| noobmonk3y | they are on the forums?! | 12:15 |
| tybollt | dneary_: huh? they are on tmo aren't they? | 12:15 |
| dneary | Hmm - looks like I'm on IRC twice | 12:15 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | dneary_: sure, even though people got in early and ran through openstv :P | 12:15 |
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| noobmonk3y | dneary: - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=589215&postcount=17 | 12:15 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh which twin of dneary or dneary_ are we talking too?! ;) | 12:16 |
| dneary_ | tybollt, Link? | 12:16 |
| crashanddie | dneary_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=589215&postcount=17 | 12:16 |
| noobmonk3y | de ja vu | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | noobmonk3y: indeed | 12:17 |
| dneary_ | Ah - Crash Anddie did provisional results | 12:17 |
| dneary_ | crashanddie, Did you find my "how to generate election results" docs OK? | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | dneary_: didn't use them | 12:17 |
| dneary_ | Awww... | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | results are same anyway? | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | dneary_: initially just went through the results with an excel spreadsheet (where those graphs come from), then used OpenVST, but I used the wrong algorithm -- all of the results are the same though | 12:18 |
| dneary_ | Let's hope so... | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | (and what are the url for those?) | 12:18 |
| dneary_ | Same on first count... | 12:18 |
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| dneary_ | Stskeeps, If you look in "Maemo.org_team" there are some links under my name for various docmaster processes | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary_: cool | 12:19 |
| dneary_ | Stskeeps, See "Task:Document maemo.org processes" | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | dneary_: I did first count, scottish vst, meek vst, then lma pointed me to fractional | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | luckily they all give the same results | 12:21 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | looks like a good council this time around | 12:23 |
| dneary_ | crashanddie, Yup, fractional's what we use, because the results are reproducible | 12:23 |
| dneary_ | Same result every time | 12:23 |
| * Jaffa waits for dneary's official results before modifying his signature ;-) | 12:24 | |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: you need to be sworn in, Valerio has to spit on your hair. | 12:24 |
| dneary_ | crashanddie, There were some close run eliminations... in round 5, Cosimo was eliminated with 21.417 votes, and hopbeat had 22.067 | 12:24 |
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| crashanddie | dneary_: you're talking chinese right about now :P | 12:26 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | dneary_: I just run excel spreadsheets and then discovered openvst :P | 12:26 |
| Arif_ | home/user is root right? | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | no | 12:26 |
| dneary_ | Open STV | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | same thing | 12:26 |
| Arif_ | as in rootfs | 12:26 |
| dneary_ | "Single transferrable vote" | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | yeah yeah, I'm tired mate | 12:26 |
| dneary_ | You French, always looking to change acronyms | 12:27 |
| * Arif_ wonders how Quake3 is going to fit there | 12:27 | |
| dneary_ | UN won't do, it has to be ONU | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | not french you plonker | 12:27 |
| dneary_ | AIDS has to be SIDA | 12:27 |
| dneary_ | Same thing | 12:27 |
| * Jaffa grins | 12:27 | |
| dneary_ | ;) | 12:27 |
| * RST38h plugs SCART into dneary | 12:27 | |
| crashanddie | lol... SCART = PERITEL | 12:27 |
| dneary_ | RST38h, What's SCART again? | 12:27 |
| dneary_ | Ah | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | haha, pre-emptive translation | 12:28 |
| dneary_ | JaviSPedro got elected ahead of andy80 on tmo transfers, basically | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Good | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Not that it is going to change anything though... | 12:28 |
| dneary_ | yodude, zehjotkah, hopbeat | 12:28 |
| dneary_ | +7, +4, +5 for javispedro, +2, +3, +3 for andy80 | 12:29 |
| dneary_ | Stretched his lead from 8 in round 4 to 17 in round 8 | 12:30 |
| dneary_ | Well, I find stuff like that interesting & useful | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Only useful if the council does something useful. | 12:31 |
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| pupnik | let some sign ndas and provide some early testing acces for early feedback | 12:32 |
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| tybollt | good thing GenA is in there | 12:39 |
| tybollt | a bit of healthy scpticism (IMHO :) | 12:39 |
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| tybollt | although he's been largely invisible in here for some time now (campaigning? :) | 12:40 |
| madduck | how does one dial those special codes, e.g. *#06# with the n900? | 12:40 |
| tybollt | ehr? | 12:41 |
| tybollt | did you just ask that? :S | 12:41 |
| madduck | did i? | 12:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | madduck, ussd widget | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | in extras | 12:42 |
| mece | asdf | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | or is it -devel | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ghjk | 12:42 |
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| madduck | found, thanks! | 12:43 |
| mece | lots of fun threads on tmo today. Must be frid.... wait what? | 12:43 |
| noobmonk3y | mece: pr1.2.1.1 out already?! ;) | 12:43 |
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| madduck | hm, ussd-widget is not quite what I was looking for, it seems to be a automation widget for ussd queries | 12:44 |
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| madduck | i want to do one-time things (e.g. recharge my prepay) | 12:45 |
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| tybollt | madduck: if toy flip your phone over | 12:46 |
| mece | noobmonk3y, Yeah.. it escaped captivity apparently. | 12:46 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 12:46 |
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| tybollt | madduck: you get a calling interface - right? where you can make phone calls | 12:46 |
| tybollt | madduck: know that one? | 12:46 |
| tybollt | madduck: there's a dial pad there | 12:46 |
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| madduck | tybollt: it does not accept USSD codes | 12:47 |
| tybollt | ehr sure it does | 12:47 |
| madduck | did you try it? | 12:47 |
| tybollt | did YOU | 12:47 |
| madduck | it works for *#06# | 12:47 |
| madduck | but it does not work for the USSD codes my provider gives me | 12:47 |
| tybollt | point in bloody case | 12:47 |
| mece | hmmhmmhmm | 12:48 |
| mece | what format are cursors in? | 12:48 |
| madduck | says "invalid number" | 12:48 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 12:48 |
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| mece | oh xcursor is a file format. | 12:49 |
| mece | how interesting. | 12:49 |
| nidO | install ussd widget | 12:49 |
| nidO | then install ussd dialpad | 12:49 |
| nidO | dial number | 12:49 |
| nidO | topup | 12:49 |
| nidO | profit | 12:49 |
| mece | nidO, you forgot the most important step: ? | 12:50 |
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| madduck | nidO: cannot find ussd dialpad though. :( | 12:50 |
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| mece | madduck, it's a widget | 12:52 |
| nidO | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=493831&postcount=121 | 12:52 |
| mece | oh. righty, my bad. | 12:52 |
| Khertan | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48823 | 12:53 |
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| Khertan | ^^ funny :) | 12:53 |
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| mece | Khertan, :D:D | 12:53 |
| mece | also, having wind trapped can cause serious pain sometimes. Not something to laugh about. *giggle* | 12:54 |
| madduck | a bit of a shame i need a separate dial pad for ussd | 12:54 |
| madduck | :( | 12:54 |
| mece | madduck, not for long I hear. | 12:55 |
| noobmonk3y | mece: hush your rumours! | 12:55 |
| mece | bwuahaha! | 12:55 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 12:55 |
| mece | I also hear that Kevin Spacey is gay. | 12:55 |
| RST38h | Khertan: I have to admit that the level of humor on tmo has somewhat...fallen | 12:55 |
| noobmonk3y | lol.... | 12:55 |
| noobmonk3y | that aint no rumour | 12:55 |
| Khertan | hihi | 12:56 |
| mece | RST38h, low-brow, is the best brow! | 12:56 |
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| Khertan | 4D ... what a wonderfull dev language ... where -0 isn't equal to 0 | 12:58 |
| Khertan | huhu funny ! | 12:58 |
| Khertan | lost 3 hours to understand why i got a bug in one of my soft ! | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | that is a data type thing | 12:58 |
| Khertan | for a long int ? | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | it can be more efficient on some hardware | 12:59 |
| Khertan | humm ... | 12:59 |
| Khertan | yep but it s not happen everywhere | 12:59 |
| Khertan | just under some case | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 12:59 |
| Khertan | like running the soft on seven :) | 12:59 |
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| Khertan | and of course the internal debugger doesn't show you -0 :) | 13:00 |
| Khertan | but zero | 13:00 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:00 |
| Khertan | else it ll not be funny | 13:00 |
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| ccooke | Morning, all | 13:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | that is a bug | 13:01 |
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| Arif_ | hm | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | if the language differentiates, the debugger needs to too. | 13:01 |
| Arif_ | can you set the calendar to start in month view? | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | file a bug. | 13:01 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil: not from the point of view of the developpers of the software :) | 13:01 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil: lol... if only they have a bug tracker | 13:02 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:02 |
| marmoute | How are the -0 "int" stored in memory... | 13:02 |
| tbf | Khertan: signed zero comes from IEEE 754 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/−0_(number) | 13:02 |
| tbf | Khertan: but yes, proper implementations of IEEE 754 shall treat +0 as equal to -0 | 13:02 |
| marmoute | as tbf point it should be stored in float to get signed zéro. | 13:02 |
| Khertan | tbf: but as they didn't follow everythings else of ieee 754 ... why just this part :) | 13:03 |
| marmoute | and most processors an IEE754 capable now | 13:03 |
| Khertan | and ... hum ... it s clearly a bug | 13:03 |
| Lumpio- | Wait, -0 in an integer? >_> | 13:03 |
| Khertan | yep :) | 13:03 |
| Lumpio- | What are you running on, one's complement? | 13:03 |
| Khertan | hey ... it s a rad ... not a low language :) | 13:04 |
| Khertan | www.4D.com :) | 13:04 |
| Lumpio- | Looks awful | 13:04 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:04 |
| Lumpio- | By the looks of it it's aimed more at tie-wearing managers than programmers | 13:04 |
| Khertan | not false | 13:05 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:05 |
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| marmoute | one's complement integer. I don't wanna look any benchmark for this | 13:05 |
| juhovh | 4D doesn't have true, it has only not false :P | 13:05 |
| mece | hey so you think n900 could render cursor if one replaces the transparent cursor with a visible one? | 13:05 |
| Khertan | in fact ... there is true, false and undefined | 13:06 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:06 |
| Lumpio- | No | 13:06 |
| juhovh | Khertan: seriously? | 13:06 |
| Lumpio- | True, False and FileNotFound | 13:06 |
| crashanddie | we all know 0 doesn't exist | 13:06 |
| Kurppa_ | mece: it can render the cursor, I've seen it in a couple of softwares. | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | dneary_: How's it going with official results? | 13:07 |
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| dneary_ | Jaffa: They'll be in the DB in a minute | 13:07 |
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| Jaffa | dneary_: Cool, thanks | 13:08 |
| mece | Kurppa_, ok.. it's xcursor I guess. | 13:08 |
| mece | it doesn't have xcursorgen, but I guess if I generate a cursor in debian I can copy it to the phone.. | 13:09 |
| tbf | mece: it's a regular xorg server. you just have to show a cursor. check the browser for instance. | 13:10 |
| mece | tbf, I meant on the desktop, not in a particular program. Anyway the default cursors are all symlinked to a transparent cursor it seems. | 13:11 |
| Khertan | juhovh: yep :) | 13:11 |
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| Kurppa_ | At least in some early builds, the cursor was visible by default. | 13:11 |
| mece | ok. | 13:11 |
| Kurppa_ | On desktop as well. | 13:11 |
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| tybollt | hey | 13:17 |
| tybollt | that ought to be swedentoid_mbp | 13:18 |
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| pupnik | 13-18 fish on bunny hill :/ | 13:34 |
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| Arif_ | fish? | 13:38 |
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| GAN900 | tybollt, sorry, been busy lately. ;) | 13:39 |
| * noobmonk3y relaxes........ | 13:40 | |
| * noobmonk3y relaxed too much........ something smells........ | 13:40 | |
| Arif_ | hmm | 13:41 |
| Arif_ | on what memory is /home/user/ located? | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | thats the 32gigger isnt it? | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | mydocs is under that? | 13:41 |
| Arif_ | isn't that MyDocs | 13:41 |
| Arif_ | ? | 13:41 |
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| noobmonk3y | well mydocs is in user isnt it? | 13:41 |
| Arif_ | that's the weirdness of Linux | 13:42 |
| * noobmonk3y runs a df | 13:42 | |
| Arif_ | any folder can be anywhere | 13:42 |
| Arif_ | :( | 13:42 |
| noobmonk3y | good point | 13:42 |
| noobmonk3y | mydocs is somewhere else | 13:42 |
| Arif_ | I want to install quake 3 | 13:43 |
| Arif_ | but it tells me to put stuff in /home/user/.q3a | 13:43 |
| * Arif_ has the feeling that's the 256MB chip | 13:43 | |
| noobmonk3y | hmm dont think so | 13:43 |
| noobmonk3y | home opt is | 13:44 |
| lcuk | no thats on a 2gb partition | 13:44 |
| lcuk | same as opt | 13:44 |
| noobmonk3y | ahaaaaaa | 13:44 |
| lcuk | /home/user is part of it | 13:44 |
| noobmonk3y | thats what i meant | 13:44 |
| Arif_ | oo | 13:44 |
| lcuk | /home/opt too | 13:44 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: was just being cleverererer | 13:44 |
| Arif_ | nice | 13:44 |
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| * Arif_ downloa......finds his Q3 CD | 13:44 | |
| lcuk | /home/user/MyDocs is a bigger partition | 13:44 |
| noobmonk3y | 27gb? | 13:44 |
| Arif_ | I know there's 27GB, 2GB, and 256MB | 13:44 |
| Arif_ | :P | 13:44 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, morning, you arent council anymore :p | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | thank you for your hard service :) | 13:45 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwwwww poor VDVsx | 13:45 |
| * noobmonk3y wants VDVsx back on the council, where do i vote? ;) | 13:45 | |
| rmrfchik | kick him from channel then? | 13:45 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, aahha, was just about to request a change to my cloak | 13:45 |
| * noobmonk3y is eating wotsits | 13:45 | |
| tybollt | rmrfchik: how russian of you... next will you suggest gulag? :) | 13:45 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, what color cloak are you getting this time? :) | 13:46 |
| rmrfchik | tybollt: gulag in anachronizm. we use nanojail today | 13:46 |
| VDVsx | black one :) | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: invisibility cloak :) | 13:46 |
| rmrfchik | all in russia is nano, if u don't know | 13:46 |
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| tybollt | rmrfchik: na z'darovje tovarich | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, lol | 13:46 |
| rmrfchik | tybollt: matrieshka! balalaika! | 13:47 |
| tybollt | :-D | 13:47 |
| * Arif_ waves at X-Fade with a stick | 13:48 | |
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| * noobmonk3y blames lcuk for http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council being out of date already! | 13:48 | |
| dneary_ | Took a while because of a little permissions issue, but thanks to Niels the results are official & online now: http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=9 | 13:48 |
| dneary_ | Jaffa, Happy? :) | 13:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | well done dneary_ | 13:49 |
| * Arif_ never heard of some of those people :P | 13:50 | |
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| * noobmonk3y thinks Arif_ needs to troll more often | 13:51 | |
| dneary_ | noobmonk3y, Thanks - although the 400 people who voted did the hard work :) | 13:51 |
| Arif_ | pf, I never troll | 13:51 |
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| Arif_ | ={ | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | Arif_: Who? "Exhausted", "Surplus" and "Threshold" ? :D | 13:51 |
| noobmonk3y | dneary_: 397.... + 2 who obviously didn't ;) | 13:51 |
| dneary_ | Interesting to see the transfer patterns, though - esp. for the 4, 5 & 6 place finishers | 13:51 |
| rmrfchik | unfair! when I tried to troll you... you... ignore me! | 13:51 |
| noobmonk3y | rmrfchik: did you troll in russian? ;) | 13:51 |
| rmrfchik | nope! | 13:51 |
| Arif_ | hopbeat, zehjotkah, andy80 | 13:52 |
| noobmonk3y | wow... under the influence of vodka? | 13:52 |
| rmrfchik | engrish as usual | 13:52 |
| Arif_ | first time I read those nicks :D | 13:52 |
| noobmonk3y | darn, i must have been on a trolling holiday when you trolled :( | 13:52 |
| dneary_ | Atilla got elected on transfers from Texrat and Jaffa's surplus, and Andrew Black's elimination | 13:52 |
| dneary_ | Attila, I mean | 13:52 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_: hopbeat and zehj are always on tmo | 13:52 |
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| rmrfchik | noobmonk3y: there is no "influence of vodka" in russia. there is "influence of vodka absence" | 13:52 |
| noobmonk3y | lol rmrfchik | 13:52 |
| MarcusM | JUST UNBOXED MY n900! :o | 13:53 |
| MarcusM | it's pretty :') | 13:53 |
| dneary_ | JaviSPedro vgot elected mostly on transfers from hopbeat, zehjotkah and YoDude, which put him quite far ahead of andy80 | 13:53 |
| tybollt | MarcusM: lucky basterd ;) | 13:53 |
| noobmonk3y | yay MarcusM | 13:53 |
| Arif_ | MarcusM IS IT SHINY AND BLACK? | 13:53 |
| rmrfchik | MarcusM: box it back! it going to eat you. | 13:53 |
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| Arif_ | with some camera silver thingy | 13:53 |
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| MarcusM | I will not do such thing! | 13:53 |
| MarcusM | ive waited for the mailman to come for 3 hours now | 13:53 |
| tybollt | :-D | 13:54 |
| tybollt | a true nerd indeed | 13:54 |
| tybollt | welcome, you're among friends | 13:54 |
| Arif_ | take off the black thing from the screen | 13:54 |
| Lumpio- | remember to put the battery in before charging | 13:54 |
| * tybollt spanks arif - be nice. :) | 13:54 | |
| Arif_ | I am! | 13:54 |
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| Nitial | omg, almost wasted my money to apple remote.. bluemaemo ftw! | 13:54 |
| Arif_ | lol | 13:54 |
| FredrIQ | i didn't charge before first run. :3 | 13:54 |
| tybollt | Nitial: Huh? | 13:55 |
| dneary_ | So the tmo pary got Texrat and JaviSPedro elected, while the ml party got Jaffa, GA and Attila elected | 13:55 |
| rmrfchik | Nitial: the right sentence is "wasted my money to apple" period. | 13:55 |
| dneary_ | (that's an unfair categorisation but hey...) | 13:55 |
| rmrfchik | despite "remote/whatever" | 13:55 |
| Arif_ | someone get QtIrrecco to work | 13:55 |
| Arif_ | :P | 13:55 |
| lcuk | dneary_, how do you know which groups elected who? | 13:55 |
| MiXu- | Arif_: Amen | 13:55 |
| nidO | qtirreco works fine | 13:56 |
| nidO | just most of the remotes are borked | 13:56 |
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| nidO | record working ones and theyll run with it fine | 13:56 |
| Arif_ | then tell me how to get proper remotes for a TechnoTrend S2-3200 | 13:56 |
| nidO | get an ir rx, record the codes, and write the config file | 13:56 |
| Arif_ | get a whatnow? | 13:56 |
| dneary_ | And you could identify tmo candidates as Texrat, JaviSPedro, zehjotkah, YoDude and hopbeat, and ml candidates as Jaffa, GA, Attila77, andy80 and andrewfblack | 13:56 |
| nidO | infrared receiver | 13:56 |
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| X-Fade | irreco works fine, although the ir power is so limited you need to be very close and aim rather precise. | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | IR ecieveer. | 13:56 |
| dneary_ | lcuk, You look at where the transfers went | 13:57 |
| MiXu- | nidO: N900 doesn't have a receiver? O_o | 13:57 |
| nidO | no | 13:57 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 13:57 |
| FredrIQ | the first thing i downloaded was xchat. :P | 13:57 |
| dneary_ | Eg: look at how many 1st preference votes JaviSPedro got: 32.00 | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | where is the xmitter? Next to the shitter button? | 13:57 |
| MiXu- | Oh O_o | 13:57 |
| tybollt | nidO: that's an awfull lot of work... lirc is huge it should have all the remotes needed I don't see what qtirreco can fail there :-| | 13:57 |
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| nidO | well. I saw speculation a while back that there is actually a receiver in there | 13:57 |
| MarcusM | how do i update this beast? :P the firmware | 13:57 |
| nidO | but just no software for it | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | nidO, there is not | 13:57 |
| dneary_ | Then you look at how many he ended up with in the decisive round (round 8 for him): 55.7 | 13:58 |
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| cos^ | what's the status of maemo development on 64-bit os nowadays? | 13:58 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: most... epic... freudian slip.. evah... | 13:58 |
| nidO | tybollt - the lirc remotes can be used by rewriting them to be formatted correctly | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | nidO, the only way round is possibly using the camera. | 13:58 |
| cos^ | last time i checked scratchbox didin't work very well on a 64bit distro | 13:58 |
| lcuk | ahh dneary i see | 13:58 |
| nidO | assuming there is actually a remote for the device you want and it has the right codes in them | 13:58 |
| dneary_ | And you see where the extra 23 votes came from, 17 of them came from the eliminations & transfer of votes from hopbeat, zehjotkah and YoDude | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 13:58 |
| tybollt | nidO: \o/ I don't want to freaking rewrite anything, grrr | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | Buy a $2 lirc device and record codes on your PC :) | 13:59 |
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| dneary_ | Do the same for Attila, you'll see that he didn't do well compared to JaviSP in the transfers of those candidates, but did a lot better in the distribution of Javva & Texrat's surplus, and in the elimination of andrewfblack | 13:59 |
| FredrIQ | marcusm, go to program manager, click upgrade | 13:59 |
| MarcusM | FredrIQ: And that updates it? Perfect, thanks! | 13:59 |
| dneary_ | (he went from 29 1st pref votes to 74 in round 8) | 13:59 |
| FredrIQ | but it will discover it self after ½h | 14:00 |
| MiXu- | Ok, so the way I see it, QtIrreco just needs to support lirc config files, right? | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | MiXu-: it does? | 14:00 |
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| MiXu- | What was the talk about rewriting configs? | 14:00 |
| dneary_ | And those extra 45 votes came from texrat (+7), Jaffa (+4), andrewfblack (+9) and hopbeat (+17) | 14:01 |
| nidO | it does, but a sizeable portion of them dont work properly without adjusting their names and a bit of the formatting. I dont know whwether thats a problem with the configs, or with qtirreco | 14:01 |
| ahmedammar | hello all, I have some questions regarding xserver-xorg-video-fbdev_0.4.0 in maemo5 sources | 14:01 |
| dneary_ | Oh - interesting | 14:01 |
| MiXu- | ah, got it. | 14:01 |
| dneary_ | Is hopbeat a member of the Developer's Party, with Attila, andrewfblack & andy80, perhaps? | 14:01 |
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| dneary_ | (this is all me talking out of my ass, for the most part) | 14:02 |
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| MarcusM | if my "connect automaticly" is set to "WLAN" it only does WLAN, right? | 14:02 |
| MarcusM | so i dont have to fear a high fee | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: monitor your phone icons though | 14:02 |
| ahmedammar | anyone know if I should be able to build this on non maemo system? I can't find whereEURASIA_TAG_STRIDE_* are defined | 14:02 |
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| X-Fade | ahmedammar: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE | 14:04 |
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| * Arif_ offers MarcusM a better 3G plan | 14:04 | |
| X-Fade | ahmedammar: My guess is that that is from SGX drivers. | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | dneary_: I'd categorise neither hopbeat nor andrewfblack as developers really | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | dneary_: Although I could be doing them a disservice. | 14:05 |
| ahmedammar | X-Fade, great, but which version of these drivers are being used? | 14:05 |
| X-Fade | ahmedammar: Depends on the release. | 14:05 |
| dneary_ | Jaffa, When trying to identify "constituencies", it's best to figure out whose supporters also voted for other candidates (1 2 or 2 1) | 14:05 |
| ahmedammar | X-Fade, freemantle? | 14:05 |
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| dneary_ | So I'm open to your suggestions :) | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | ahmedammar: That doesn't exist. | 14:06 |
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| ahmedammar | X-Fade, maemo5? sorry I don't know much about maemo releases | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | ahmedammar: But if you mean fremantle, it still depends on which sdk release. | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | eurasia sounds like SGX | 14:06 |
| ahmedammar | X-Fade, I just wanted to try out this fbdev on an omap | 14:06 |
| MarcusM | Stskeeps: How can I see if it's using WLAN? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | MarcusM: icons in status menu is different | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | read the manual, please :( | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | er, :) | 14:07 |
| MarcusM | :( | 14:07 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, X-Fade, i agree, i just can't find them defined in last two TI Graphics SDKS 3.01.00.02 and 3.00.00.09 | 14:07 |
| MarcusM | its in swedish while im danish | 14:07 |
| MarcusM | :P | 14:07 |
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| MarcusM | wait, norwegian i think | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: nokia's sgx libs are modded | 14:07 |
| Arif_ | 3G is a round white icon thingy | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | 3g/grps | 14:08 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, great :( | 14:08 |
| ahmedammar | well that's not very open. | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: looked at the maemo omap project? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | and maemo isn't open, just 43% | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | dneary_: Some kind of cluster plot of votes would be cool; might help identify the groups for labelling purposes | 14:08 |
| Arif_ | wlan looks like a dot with half round circles above it | 14:08 |
| MarcusM | the updater seems a little slow. | 14:09 |
| dneary_ | Jaffa, That soulds like a nice little project for you to take on ;) | 14:09 |
| Arif_ | what updater? | 14:09 |
| MarcusM | firmware updater I believe it is | 14:09 |
| MarcusM | while lookin gfor updates, not updating | 14:09 |
| Arif_ | yeah that can take a while | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | MarcusM: so you got a paper route to pay it off | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:10 |
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| MarcusM | Stskeeps: Nope, I got my dad to pay the 50%, which I then have to pay back by my library work ._. | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | MarcusM: ah, you'll love your n900 at a library | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:10 |
| MarcusM | I'm putting the books in the right place etc | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:11 |
| MarcusM | Stskeeps: Indeed :P rofl | 14:11 |
| Arif_ | sounds interesting | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | decent money | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:11 |
| Arif_ | the N900 has a lot of ways to entertain you... | 14:11 |
| Arif_ | ;> | 14:11 |
| MarcusM | ;) | 14:12 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, ok, when you say the sgx is moded, where are the mods? are they available as the patches to the kernel in kernel-omap3.git? | 14:12 |
| Arif_ | too bad most isn't done properly :( | 14:12 |
| dneary_ | Jaffa, I was going to announce the election results... | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: the libs are modded | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | kernel part too-ish | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_on_OMAP_Project | 14:14 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, yeah i've read that | 14:16 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, so how has nokia modified the libs? they got access to the source from imgtec? | 14:16 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, is this tied to an old DSS as well? | 14:17 |
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| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: you're asking a lot of questions i have no idea about :) | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt it is tied to an old dss, considering maemo runs dss2 | 14:17 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, any idea who would have more knowledge? | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: well, let's start out with what you're trying to accomplish | 14:18 |
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| noobmonk3y | to rule the world pinky..... | 14:18 |
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| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, basically I would like an accelerated X using SGX | 14:19 |
| * noobmonk3y hums the pinky and the brain theme tune...... | 14:19 | |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, only ppl that seem to have that are maemo. | 14:19 |
| ahmedammar | so here I am :) | 14:19 |
| * Arif_ whistles | 14:19 | |
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| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: right | 14:21 |
| Jaffa | dneary_: Indeed | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: the key is in building the xserver-xorg-video-fbdev against the sgx | 14:21 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, indeed, and i'm so close. | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: what errors are you getting? | 14:21 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, i'll show you, but the lack of EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE_* definitions was my first hit | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: that's kinda awkward, is that in the fbdev source? | 14:22 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, if you have a maemo sdk installed can you search for those defines? | 14:22 |
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| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, yes. | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | could you pastebin me the section? i'm kinda in the middle of something :) | 14:23 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, i'm in the process of installing the sdk just to find out what the heck nokia has done. | 14:23 |
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| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, sure, sec, need to get to where I was before downgrading all sorts of X | 14:24 |
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| * noobmonk3y is collllllllld | 14:27 | |
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| * Arif_ is h....wait | 14:28 | |
| MarcusM | when im trying to update, it says "Resolving host timed out: downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 14:28 |
| MarcusM | :( | 14:28 |
| MarcusM | on some of the catalogues | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | are you on wifi? | 14:28 |
| Arif_ | I get the same | 14:28 |
| MarcusM | or what it's called in english (god, i hate to use a danish version) | 14:28 |
| MarcusM | yes | 14:28 |
| Arif_ | I just tried to update | 14:28 |
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| Arif_ | well, check for | 14:28 |
| MarcusM | for? :p | 14:29 |
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| Arif_ | for updates | 14:29 |
| Arif_ | :P | 14:29 |
| Arif_ | maybe thats why the process went so fast | 14:30 |
| MarcusM | it didnt find any, due to that error on 3 of them | 14:30 |
| MarcusM | it wasnt that fast tbh | 14:30 |
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| MarcusM | trying the lovely x-term<3 apt-get update | 14:31 |
| MarcusM | do i need root for that? | 14:31 |
| Arif_ | use the damn app manager | 14:31 |
| Arif_ | you nerd | 14:31 |
| Arif_ | :P | 14:31 |
| MarcusM | well, that thing isnt working ;P | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: AM calls apt, so the result should not be different. | 14:32 |
| Arif_ | then fix it! | 14:32 |
| MarcusM | but how :( | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | MarcusM: don't use apt-get if you're a new user, it will potentially destroy your device | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | as in, your current setup | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:32 |
| MarcusM | Stskeeps: I'm kind of used to apt-get with Ubuntu | 14:33 |
| Arif_ | he just got it, I doubt he has sest up anything :( | 14:33 |
| MarcusM | I dunno how to fix the damn app manager | 14:33 |
| MarcusM | with the resolving host blabla | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | MarcusM: try to turn off wifi power saving | 14:33 |
| Scelt | so pr1.2 is out now? | 14:33 |
| Arif_ | it is | 14:33 |
| Arif_ | ? | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Can you browse other sites in your browser? | 14:33 |
| Scelt | Arif_: dunno. im asking | 14:33 |
| Arif_ | I heard its not | 14:33 |
| MarcusM | giving it a shot X-Fade, just got it so, gotta get used to it :P | 14:34 |
| Scelt | is it ever gonna be? | 14:34 |
| Arif_ | no | 14:34 |
| MarcusM | google.dk works perfect | 14:34 |
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| MarcusM | Program Manager -> Update -> Errors :( | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Disconnect from wifi and connect again? | 14:36 |
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| MarcusM | i'll run the update one more time and try that | 14:36 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, http://codepad.org/QE17n1R3 | 14:37 |
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| mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=589560&postcount=2 | 14:37 |
| mece | :D | 14:37 |
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| MarcusM | now it is stuck on "Checking for updates, please wait " | 14:38 |
| MarcusM | haven't got any % at all | 14:38 |
| Arif_ | that takes a while | 14:38 |
| Arif_ | :> | 14:38 |
| MarcusM | the first one even? | 14:38 |
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| Arif_ | all of them | 14:39 |
| Arif_ | mine sits at the start, fills up in a second | 14:39 |
| Arif_ | then deplates and fills again! | 14:39 |
| MarcusM | looking in the manual, it says that if there's a "programvare", I assume that is firmware, it should indicate a [!] logo on the status field | 14:40 |
| * noobmonk3y is off to the pub | 14:40 | |
| Arif_ | the ! means any program has an update | 14:40 |
| Arif_ | if it's new firmware it'll say Maemo 5 in the update menu | 14:40 |
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| Stskeeps | programvare? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | my god, i have to shoot some documentation writers for their horrid danish | 14:41 |
| Arif_ | Danish for firmware I guess :P | 14:41 |
| asj | you won't miss it | 14:41 |
| MarcusM | Arif_: nah, norwegian. The manual is norwegian ._. | 14:42 |
| MarcusM | question though: what is all this talk about having to flash the n900 to update the firmware? | 14:42 |
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| X-Fade | MarcusM: How about you change the language to English and leave it there :) | 14:42 |
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| Arif_ | if you use it like an idiot you need to flash it with the PC :P | 14:42 |
| MarcusM | X-Fade good idea :P | 14:42 |
| * MohammadAG needs quick help, PLEASE! | 14:42 | |
| MarcusM | Arif_: But some places it says you have to flash it before updating | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | volume key isn't raising volume, blocker in calls | 14:43 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Key stuck? Or can you set the volume in the top menu? | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, noobmonk3y's healthcheck detects it | 14:44 |
| MarcusM | sudo gainroot: enable RD mode if you want _break_ your device | 14:44 |
| MarcusM | wtf | 14:44 |
| MarcusM | :O | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | MarcusM, rootsh, it's in extras | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Don't trust someone called noobmonk3y ;) | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 14:45 |
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| MohammadAG | i'm not sure which app to blame this one | 14:45 |
| Arif_ | MohammadAG you need to press left to increase volume in calls? :o | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | used picodrive, sixaxis driver and bluemaemo | 14:46 |
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| MohammadAG | Arif_, no software respone | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | calls songs media player w/e | 14:46 |
| Arif_ | aw | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Reboot doesn't help? | 14:46 |
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| Arif_ | maybe the button is broken | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, first thing I tried | 14:47 |
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| MohammadAG | Arif_, it shows up as a press in healthcheck | 14:47 |
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| MohammadAG | i actually thought the button was broke | 14:47 |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 14:47 |
| Arif_ | reflash! | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | awww | 14:47 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: And pressing the other side of the button doesn't register? | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, both buttons register as presses, but they don't change volume | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | oh and they work in xchat | 14:49 |
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| MohammadAG | channel right/left | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | There must be some deamon listening to those events. | 14:49 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, got my link? | 14:49 |
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| MarcusM | update manager still stuck on "checking for updates ._: | 14:50 |
| Arif_ | maybe there a lot of updates! :P | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | MarcusM: what wifi AP do you have? | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | UGH kernel is a broken package | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | wtf nokia | 14:50 |
| MarcusM | ap means? | 14:50 |
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| MohammadAG | access point | 14:50 |
| MiXu- | Updating the package list takes a long time for extras-devel | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: broken? | 14:51 |
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| MiXu- | could be something like 20 seconds | 14:51 |
| MarcusM | MiXu-: haven't done that yet. Just got the n900 like an hour ago | 14:51 |
| MiXu- | k | 14:51 |
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| Arif_ | and already you broke it | 14:51 |
| Arif_ | :( | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, keys work, function doesn't | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: what? | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | : | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | P | 14:52 |
| MarcusM | trying to translate now: "Some catalogues aren't reachable. Check the details etc" | 14:52 |
| Arif_ | I had the same :D | 14:52 |
| Arif_ | with the media player | 14:52 |
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| MarcusM | then it says "Resolving host timed out:" again :( | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, lol thought you were talking about my problem | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | kernel-flasher: PreDepends: kernel (= 2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5+0hid1) but 2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5 is to be installed | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: 'kernel is a broken package' | 14:52 |
| MarcusM | http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ | 14:53 |
| MarcusM | when i go there, it says permission denied | 14:53 |
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| Stskeeps | MarcusM: go into settings->internet connections and find the place where you disable power saving | 14:53 |
| Arif_ | I too get access denied | 14:53 |
| MarcusM | prolly because its from pc though Arif_ | 14:53 |
| twouters | MarcusM: do you have rootsh installed? Because then you would be able to run apt-get from xterm and see what that gives | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | twouters: DNS not resolving is not really a apt problem, connectivity is | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | does the multiple line C++ comment work in a sources.list file? | 14:55 |
| twouters | oh. didn't notice that resolving issues were mentioned | 14:56 |
| MarcusM | Stskeeps: I dont see such thing there. hmm, ill keep looking | 14:56 |
| twouters | MohammadAG: don't think so | 14:56 |
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| MohammadAG | dropped my N900 onto a thick carpet today, and the slider is more firm | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 14:58 |
| MarcusM | weird. it can download rootsh, but not update... | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | thick carpets are dangerous for n900s | 14:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, lol | 14:58 |
| Arif_ | MarcusM, powersaving is in advanced AP settings | 14:59 |
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| MarcusM | Arif_: aha, okay (: | 14:59 |
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| MarcusM | for some reason, I see the machine working when doing apt-get update. | 15:00 |
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| talmai | hello | 15:02 |
| Arif_ | hai | 15:02 |
| talmai | I have a problem submiting package to extras-devel nonfree | 15:02 |
| talmai | i got the invite, set the public key on account settings but i get an error "permission denied (publickey)" | 15:03 |
| MarcusM | how do i check the firmware version btw? | 15:04 |
| MarcusM | uname -r? | 15:04 |
| mece | settings->about | 15:04 |
| Arif_ | settings>device info | 15:04 |
| Arif_ | ...or that | 15:04 |
| Arif_ | its at the bottom though! | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | talmai: What is your username? | 15:04 |
| talmai | tihi | 15:05 |
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| MarcusM | version 2.2009.51-1? | 15:05 |
| mece | old. | 15:05 |
| MarcusM | /cry | 15:05 |
| Arif_ | that's pr1.1 | 15:05 |
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| X-Fade | talmai: Ah, was looking at your issue. | 15:05 |
| Arif_ | but 1.1.1 doesn't fix anything noteworthy anyway | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 15:05 |
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| MarcusM | would be nice eto have it working though :D | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | talmai: We are having a problem with the creation of homedirs because of the number of users. | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | Linux complains about more than 32k links on ext3. | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | We now need to move homedirs to another structure, so it will take some time for this to be fixed. | 15:06 |
| MarcusM | whe nupdating, should the Distribution and Components be empty? (In the catalogue details) | 15:06 |
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| talmai | X-fade: thanks for the info | 15:07 |
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| Arif_ | mm, no? | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | talmai: Will reply to your mail as soon as we have fixed this. | 15:07 |
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| aol | can I launch application menu and the battery level menu through DBUS ? | 15:08 |
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| aol | I already know how to minimize the app for task switcher | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | nope, kernel reflash didn't work | 15:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | i wonder what the daemon is | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | mce? | 15:10 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Did you see the request to remove qype from the repos btw? Developer is getting disgruntled: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=587709&postcount=17 | 15:13 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Sorry, talk is so much noise lately I don't have time to follow it. | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | i hope thats not the developers official request | 15:14 |
| tybollt | aol: me too! | 15:15 |
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| tybollt | while :; do /msg aol me too! ; done | 15:15 |
| tybollt | revenge! | 15:15 |
| MarcusM | could someone explain what a DNS is? i think my problem is the same as http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42230&page=5 | 15:15 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: The request was made to maemo-developers IIRC | 15:15 |
| aol | tybollt: err what? | 15:16 |
| hrw | Jaffa: confirmed | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | Hmm I really must have missed it. | 15:16 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025326.html | 15:16 |
| nidO | MarcusM: dns is what turns a domain name into an IP that's routable to the system hosting the site/content in question | 15:17 |
| nidO | beyond that, it gets complicated for end-users. | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Removed now. | 15:17 |
| Surfa | and vice versa | 15:17 |
| MarcusM | hmm. shit :/ very annoying if it wont start working ._. | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Thanks | 15:17 |
| nidO | also, tmo just died for me, so im guessing there are problems | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | tmo dead? | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | Snap | 15:18 |
| MarcusM | i can easily install apps, but I cant update. wtf :S | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Try 3G? | 15:18 |
| MarcusM | X-Fade: Wouldn't want to use money on that when I can use the wifi right next om ._. | 15:19 |
| MarcusM | me | 15:19 |
| MarcusM | to me | 15:19 |
| MarcusM | lol | 15:19 |
| MarcusM | btw, where is ifconfig in X-Term? | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: N900 and no unlimited 3G? | 15:19 |
| Ken-Young | MarcusM, /sbin/ifconfig | 15:19 |
| Arif_ | damn | 15:20 |
| * Arkenoi noticed strange thing in 3g networks: "bad" spots which may drain your battery in 3-4 hours (!) and keep draining even while charger is plugged in (the phone consumes more power than charger can provide) | 15:20 | |
| Arif_ | I keep accidentally resetting my data counter ;( | 15:20 |
| Arkenoi | i am unlucky to have one of those happen to be at my home in St Petersburg | 15:20 |
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| nidO | if you're in a crappy reception area 3g will gobble your battery very quickly | 15:20 |
| MarcusM | could someone explain why the n900 can install apps, but not update? :P heh | 15:21 |
| kyle__ | my data counter widget keeps going to some random negative number once i hit > 2GB | 15:22 |
| aol | MarcusM: I have same problem on tha application manager. apt-get upgrade still works | 15:23 |
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| MarcusM | and that works just as apt-get update? | 15:23 |
| aol | no | 15:24 |
| aol | you need to do 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' | 15:24 |
| aol | update just updates the repository info | 15:24 |
| MarcusM | aha | 15:24 |
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| MarcusM | im sad :( | 15:28 |
| MiXu- | Which repository fails to update? | 15:29 |
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| MarcusM | downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 15:29 |
| MarcusM | repository.maemo.org seems to work | 15:29 |
| MarcusM | i start getting errors on the downloads one | 15:29 |
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| MiXu- | that's odd | 15:30 |
| MarcusM | 85% [Working] | 15:30 |
| MarcusM | BAM ERROR | 15:30 |
| MiXu- | do you get an error code in the log? | 15:30 |
| MarcusM | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 15:30 |
| MarcusM | could it be the httpS? | 15:30 |
| MarcusM | resolving host timed out: downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | MarcusM: did you turn off power saving? | 15:31 |
| MiXu- | Does it say access denied if you open that url with your pc? | 15:31 |
| MarcusM | Stskeeps: Yep. | 15:31 |
| MarcusM | yes, MiXu | 15:31 |
| MiXu- | ok | 15:31 |
| Surfa | resolving works fine with me | 15:31 |
| MiXu- | you can 1) try changing your dns or 2) use the direct ip to downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 15:32 |
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| MarcusM | by pinging I guess? | 15:32 |
| Surfa | i suggest that you wait an hour or two and stop debugging for now :) | 15:32 |
| MiXu- | well yes, you can get the IP by pinging :) | 15:32 |
| MarcusM | Surfa: Are you sure that'll work? :P | 15:32 |
| Surfa | youre probably not finding anything and it starts to work anyway | 15:32 |
| nidO | switch your dns servers for the connection to those provided by opendns | 15:32 |
| nidO | then retry it | 15:32 |
| MiXu- | or google's dns: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 | 15:33 |
| Surfa | bot sure but it's very likely | 15:33 |
| Surfa | but | 15:33 |
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| Surfa | not :) | 15:33 |
| MarcusM | MiXu-: 8.8.8.8 as prim and the other as sec? | 15:33 |
| MiXu- | yes | 15:33 |
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| MarcusM | trying the google dns now | 15:35 |
| Surfa | this somehow sounds useless unless you absolutely need to do something right now | 15:35 |
| MarcusM | I had the exact though | 15:36 |
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| MarcusM | MiXu-: Same error with google dns | 15:38 |
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| MarcusM | how would i copy my sim contacts? | 15:40 |
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| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: lol! | 15:49 |
| * noobmonk3y was at the pub :D | 15:49 | |
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| andrewfblack | GAN900: that site you tested for me yesterday did you test menu on N900 or computer? | 15:50 |
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| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, ok after getting the sdk I found those definitions | 15:54 |
| ahmedammar | /usr/include/SGX/hwdefs/sgxdefs.h:#define EURASIA_TAG_STRIDE_THRESHOLD0 | 15:54 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, so do you know someone I can get in touch with to find out how nokia have managed to modify the sgx libs? | 15:54 |
| MarcusM | Surfa: Do you srsly think it is possible it will get fixed sometime? | 15:55 |
| * Arif_ sneezes | 15:56 | |
| Stskeeps | ahmedammar: give maemo-developers@ mailing list a try | 15:56 |
| Surfa | marcusm, typically dns problems do, but of course i cant be sure | 15:57 |
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| MarcusM | Surfa: I'd have to ask my father about it.. Can you recommend me any apps etc? (: | 15:57 |
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| MarcusM | damn that FM sender is epic! | 16:00 |
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| MarcusM | is the device made for a little vibration when pressing on the touchscreen? | 16:02 |
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| MarcusM | sometimes it does that | 16:02 |
| toggles_w | MarcusM: yes, you can turn it off | 16:02 |
| andrewfblack | MicroB is still based on Mozzila right? | 16:02 |
| MarcusM | toggles_w: Lovely | 16:02 |
| toggles_w | drove me insane, felt like the build quality was crap | 16:03 |
| Scelt | andrewfblack: or was it Mozzaralle? | 16:03 |
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| MarcusM | toggles_w: exactly! it scared me... | 16:03 |
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| andrewfblack | Can't figure out why Microb wont let me change a <div> from hidden to show | 16:04 |
| ahmedammar | Stskeeps, ok, thanks for the help. | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: display or visibility? | 16:05 |
| andrewfblack | X-Fade: visibility | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: visibility:visible ? | 16:06 |
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| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: ? | 16:07 |
| noobmonk3y | sorry was reading back | 16:07 |
| noobmonk3y | ignore me | 16:07 |
| MarcusM | :P | 16:07 |
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| noobmonk3y | enjoying it? :D | 16:08 |
| andrewfblack | X-Fade: document.all.HiddenMenu.style.visibility=show works in Chrome, and IE havn't tested firefox but doesn't work in Microb | 16:08 |
| MarcusM | is python installed by default on n900? | 16:08 |
| noobmonk3y | marcus no, but installing an app with it will install it | 16:09 |
| MarcusM | nvm me | 16:09 |
| MarcusM | :p | 16:09 |
| noobmonk3y | oh the libs anyway | 16:09 |
| MarcusM | noobmonk3y: Know which one? | 16:09 |
| noobmonk3y | but think python itself may be? | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: Show is not valid | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: visible | 16:09 |
| noobmonk3y | erm, mine installs nearly everything lol | 16:09 |
| noobmonk3y | healthcheck | 16:09 |
| noobmonk3y | pygtkeditor is another one etc | 16:09 |
| MarcusM | isnt pygtk just an editor, or does it install the libs as well? | 16:09 |
| noobmonk3y | it installys the pythong libs too - as it runs the python files from it | 16:10 |
| noobmonk3y | python* | 16:10 |
| andrewfblack | X-Fade: I think I got it now just wish I could test it on phone at work | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visufx.html#propdef-visibility | 16:10 |
| noobmonk3y | andrewfblack: need some help testing? | 16:10 |
| noobmonk3y | marcus - take heed on the rootfs wiki page, would install python optify too ;) | 16:11 |
| MarcusM | aha :D lovely | 16:11 |
| andrewfblack | X-Fade: problem was I was using an old script and =show was a varible I was using that depended on browser type to save on code I removed most of script but forgot to change varible | 16:11 |
| noobmonk3y | apt-get install pymaemo-optify apt-get clean | 16:11 |
| noobmonk3y | (2 commands in that line lol) | 16:11 |
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| andrewfblack | noobmonk3y: I need some but I need to clear with Reggie getting some people access to the location of our forum dev sandbox I really need to do some more testing before move to next minimalist version this time | 16:12 |
| * andrewfblack needs a better way to contact Reggie he never anwsers PMs | 16:13 | |
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| noobmonk3y | kk :) | 16:14 |
| noobmonk3y | i hear if you knock three times, he comes a runnin | 16:14 |
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| * andrewfblack has removed almost 1000 lines of code from minimalist theme | 16:15 | |
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| * MarcusM can't update the n900 due to resolving host timed-out :( | 16:16 | |
| hrw | update? | 16:17 |
| MarcusM | firmware update. | 16:17 |
| MarcusM | 3 out of 4 catalogues get timed out | 16:17 |
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| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: something has been up with some of the catalogues for the last few days, but firmware updates should be ok? | 16:18 |
| noobmonk3y | what version you going to - from etc? | 16:18 |
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| MarcusM | from the retail version. pr1.1 i think some ppl called it on irc. | 16:18 |
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| MarcusM | i just received the n900 by mail | 16:18 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh cool :D | 16:18 |
| MarcusM | im trying to update it using update manager | 16:18 |
| MarcusM | but resolving host bla bla | 16:18 |
| MarcusM | some says it's because of DNS thingy | 16:18 |
| noobmonk3y | if you installed healthcheck it will tell your the current version number and readable name (like pr1.1) | 16:19 |
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| MarcusM | any way to put the n900 on standby? or should i just leave it "on" while doing AFK stuff | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | just let it lock screen | 16:20 |
| MarcusM | okay, bye bye for now then. time to get a shower. (: | 16:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: side slider :D - i use it all the time to lock the screen | 16:26 |
| Surfa | . | 16:27 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh... lots of dns issues coming up with app manager today... is the server about to explode? ;) | 16:30 |
| noobmonk3y | (and lots of repeat threads in tmo :D) | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Looking into this for a while now, this is running at the akamai end. | 16:32 |
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| TheOne | hi @all | 16:33 |
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| TheOne | i need some help with my brand new n900 | 16:33 |
| MarcusM | TheOne: Congrats with it TheOne, I got mine today as well! | 16:33 |
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| MarcusM | noobmonk3y: You've heard others have same issue as me? | 16:34 |
| TheOne | MarcusM: thx | 16:34 |
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| TheOne | my problem is that everytime the display light turn off all open apps are closed | 16:35 |
| nidO | dns traversals for the repository addresses are really bloated | 16:35 |
| TheOne | is there a setting where i can disable that? | 16:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | yeah marcus | 16:36 |
| noobmonk3y | posts appearing on tmo | 16:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | but if x-fade is on it - then tis all good | 16:36 |
| noobmonk3y | hi TheOne | 16:36 |
| noobmonk3y | all apps close? | 16:36 |
| TheOne | hi noobmonk3y | 16:36 |
| TheOne | yes | 16:36 |
| TheOne | e.g the browser | 16:36 |
| noobmonk3y | that doesnt sound right? | 16:36 |
| frosty` | yeah that sounds pretty bad | 16:37 |
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| X-Fade | nidO: Akamai's edge thingie [tm] | 16:37 |
| noobmonk3y | TheOne: on a brand new device? | 16:37 |
| TheOne | i read the documentation and if i stay some seconds the light turns off - one touch, light turns on again and the browser is closed | 16:37 |
| MarcusM | when im going to https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ it says that the connection is untrusted. could that be an issue with my n900 as well? | 16:37 |
| nidO | having that second cname through edgesuite.net does seem to add pointless complexity to the lookup | 16:37 |
| TheOne | noobmonk3y: yes/no - i buy it on ebay, but it is not used | 16:38 |
| noobmonk3y | ok that really doesnt sound good.... sounds like you need to reflash and see if that helps TheOne (Firmware and emmc) - http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 16:38 |
| TheOne | oh my good | 16:39 |
| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: naaaa - thats normal | 16:39 |
| TheOne | god ^^ | 16:39 |
| MarcusM | noobmonk3y: Damn, | 16:39 |
| noobmonk3y | TheOne: flashing will be fine, if it is new, took me about 10 mins in total | 16:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: just testing on mine | 16:39 |
| MarcusM | MarcusM: Fair enough. | 16:39 |
| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: same here, sure that is the right page? | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: What do you expect to get from downloads.maemo.nokia.com btw? :) | 16:41 |
| MarcusM | noobmonk3y: Can you update yourself? | 16:41 |
| noobmonk3y | update myself? lol | 16:41 |
| MarcusM | X-Fade: Trying to figure out the reason it's timing out. | 16:41 |
| * noobmonk3y is not firmware last time i checked | 16:41 | |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Yes, but apart from that? | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Why are you wasting your time with hitting refresh? :) | 16:41 |
| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: thats not a timeout, but a squiffy address isnt it? | 16:41 |
| MarcusM | X-Fade: Check the repositories. :P | 16:41 |
| noobmonk3y | let x-fade fix it i'd say :) | 16:42 |
| MarcusM | FIX IT NOW :O | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: All software of interest is not there? | 16:42 |
| noobmonk3y | lols | 16:42 |
| MarcusM | X-Fade: Unfortunately, my updater won't finish as 3 catalogues fail out of 4. | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Just disable them then? | 16:42 |
| MarcusM | X-Fade: Did so, and that resulted in no updates at all. And that can't be right, because I just bought it. | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: No? | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: That is expected behavoir? | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | No app updates. | 16:43 |
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| X-Fade | Because none are installed :) | 16:43 |
| MarcusM | X-Fade: What about firm | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Just flash the most recent? | 16:43 |
| nidO | he'd likely get a firmware update or two | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | Will give you a better rootfs anyway. | 16:44 |
| MarcusM | X-Fade: that could be a solution, indeed, but as nid0 says, I should have a firmware update or 2 | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, just flash to a new release | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | saner | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Yeah, those are in downloads.* But flashing is better anyway. | 16:44 |
| twouters | MarcusM: I think it's just one | 16:44 |
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| MarcusM | It's just that I feel a little insecure by doing it that way :P But i have to give a shot. | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Your device is empty. Nothing to lose. | 16:45 |
| MarcusM | Correct, but couldnt I fuck it up badly? (: | 16:46 |
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| X-Fade | no | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | MarcusM: got windows 64-bit? | 16:46 |
| MarcusM | Ubuntu 32 bit | 16:46 |
| MarcusM | And Linux Mint | 16:46 |
| MarcusM | And Windows 7 | 16:47 |
| MarcusM | And Xp | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | should be fine then | 16:47 |
| MarcusM | So choose one ._. | 16:47 |
| MarcusM | And vista incase my dad didnt reformat yet | 16:47 |
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| X-Fade | MarcusM: Try the windows flasher :) | 16:47 |
| MarcusM | And hwy not the debian one? :P | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | Not sure if we trust you to use the linux one. | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | :) | 16:48 |
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| MarcusM | Rofl | 16:48 |
| MarcusM | Thanks :D | 16:48 |
| MarcusM | (l) | 16:48 |
| TheOne | noobmonk3y: i try to flash the device later when the battery is fully charged | 16:49 |
| MarcusM | Wait. So by flashing the n900 with the newest "flasher-tool", it gets updated? or do I need some kind of image? | 16:49 |
| TheOne | but it sounds painless | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | you need an image from tablets-dev.nokia.com | 16:49 |
| TheOne | i hope it is ^^ | 16:49 |
| noobmonk3y | :D good idea ;) - i did it on about 70% was fine for me | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Download the windows one from nokia.com | 16:49 |
| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: you need the image - http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: That is a gui one one can use without any knowledge or opportunity to mess things up. | 16:50 |
| MarcusM | Ah ye, needed the firmware image | 16:50 |
| noobmonk3y | and that would give you the latest firmware ;) | 16:50 |
| MarcusM | X-Fade: I enjoy opportunities :( | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | MarcusM: Then read the page an follow instructions. | 16:50 |
| MarcusM | :P | 16:51 |
| noobmonk3y | worst comes to the worst, you will need to reflash again, might as well learn now ;) | 16:51 |
| noobmonk3y | (when you have less on your device ;)) | 16:51 |
| MarcusM | when new firmware I guess? | 16:51 |
| noobmonk3y | erm, well no, technically you can update OTA - worked fine for me before | 16:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | but as the repos are having a moment, flashing will let you do it now | 16:52 |
| TheOne | noobmonk3y: is the hosted flasher deb for debian lenny? | 16:52 |
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| * noobmonk3y got lost..... lenny blah blah - me = not linuxy - best to ask x-fade | 16:53 | |
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| TheOne | debian stable | 16:53 |
| TheOne | not testing/experimental | 16:53 |
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| TheOne | X-Fade: can you answer the question? | 16:54 |
| noobmonk3y | he may be gusy fixing things ;) :D | 16:54 |
| noobmonk3y | busy* | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | TheOne: No, I windows version all the way for him. | 16:54 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhh | 16:54 |
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| marcusmoller | hehe. trying out irc on the n900 | 16:54 |
| TheOne | no, my question was, is the hosted flasher deb file for debian lenny? | 16:54 |
| marcusmoller | works fine | 16:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | w000p | 16:56 |
| noobmonk3y | marmoute: xchat? :D | 16:56 |
| noobmonk3y | aghhhh | 16:56 |
| noobmonk3y | sry marmoute - he left and auto complete scuppered me | 16:56 |
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| MarcusM | oh gwad | 17:01 |
| noobmonk3y | wb MarcusM | 17:01 |
| MarcusM | i just tried to put the n900 on the tv using AV cable; it is greyscale ._. | 17:01 |
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| MarcusM | gray that is | 17:03 |
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| madduck | has osso-abook been ported to other architectures? can i use it on my regular debian machine somehow? | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | you have it set to the right standard? | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | marxism | 17:03 |
| * noobmonk3y lost my tv out cable :( | 17:04 | |
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| TheOne | noobmonk3y: i really need an update, the installed version is 1.2009.42-11 | 17:05 |
| noobmonk3y | TheOne: you really really do ;) | 17:05 |
| TheOne | is there an extra german version or do i need the global version? | 17:06 |
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| TheOne | i see only an extra for the uk | 17:06 |
| petteri | hmm.. maybe pr 1.2 tomorrow then :) | 17:06 |
| noobmonk3y | TheOne: where are you in the world? | 17:07 |
| noobmonk3y | uk is behind, well uk vodafone is anyway | 17:07 |
| noobmonk3y | i went with the global one :D | 17:07 |
| TheOne | germany | 17:07 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh, i used to live in hamburg ;) | 17:07 |
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| TheOne | moin ;) | 17:08 |
| lcuk | n900 orbital upgrades will commence at same time as other upgrades | 17:08 |
| lcuk | so users on the space station can relax | 17:08 |
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| TheOne | does the over the air update, update the firmware too? | 17:09 |
| petteri | yes | 17:09 |
| noobmonk3y | yup TheOne | 17:09 |
| noobmonk3y | brb | 17:09 |
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| TheOne | ah cool, maybe i had should continue with the update at the first start | 17:10 |
| TheOne | there was an orange symbol on the status field | 17:10 |
| TheOne | i ignored that | 17:10 |
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| TheOne | so what way is now recommend to update for lastest version - over the air update or manuel flash with flasher? | 17:11 |
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| MarcusM | I wonder why TheOne got a orange symbol when I didnt.. hmm | 17:13 |
| MarcusM | Yes, mine is just as new as his :P | 17:14 |
| lauri | hey guys | 17:14 |
| TheOne | i configure my wifi connection first ;) | 17:14 |
| TheOne | i think thats the reason | 17:14 |
| lauri | can you tell me from which Nokian department Maemo originated? Beta labs? | 17:14 |
| lauri | any link would be highly appreciated | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | whatever the asylum area is called ;) | 17:15 |
| MarcusM | Does Ovi Maps use data only, or wifi as well (incase you want to see where your house is rofl) | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | lauri: Maemo Devices, or now MeeGo Devices. | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | MarcusM: can use both, i think | 17:15 |
| MarcusM | oh wait, the gps isnt data ofc, but it says at start, that it is likely to receive/send data | 17:15 |
| lauri | X-Fade: any links? people involved? blog posts? | 17:16 |
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| noobmonk3y | aghhhhhhhhh | 17:18 |
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| noobmonk3y | was explaining to someone that they needed to optimise things, and i used the word optify.... grrrrrrrr | 17:18 |
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| lauri | X-Fade: I am looking for the 'success story' of Maemo | 17:19 |
| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: i think there is an ovi bug using data | 17:19 |
| lauri | :P | 17:19 |
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| MarcusM | when i look in menu -> more I see an app called Facebook which requires install. is it possible to install this using terminal? (is it likely it is called apt-get install facebook?) | 17:20 |
| noobmonk3y | MarcusM: i think there is a way to download the maps so it c an be used offline with gps, not tried tho | 17:20 |
| MarcusM | thing is I get an unknown error when tyring to install | 17:20 |
| MarcusM | noobmonk3y: aha, okay | 17:20 |
| noobmonk3y | if the app is called facebook, then possibly yes :D | 17:20 |
| MarcusM | "couldn't find package facebook", afraid not :p | 17:21 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 17:22 |
| noobmonk3y | there is a way to search packages by apt-get | 17:22 |
| petteri | lauri: try googling nokia osso team | 17:22 |
| noobmonk3y | but i honestly am not a linuxy person | 17:22 |
| DocAvalanche | the part I definitely like the most: ""There may also be other replies, but you will not receive any more notifications until you visit the forum again."" | 17:23 |
| noobmonk3y | try apt-get search face* maybe? | 17:23 |
| frosty` | noobmonk3y: is it full apt? | 17:23 |
| frosty` | cause it would be apt-cache search then | 17:23 |
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| MarcusM | apt-cache | grep facebook | 17:25 |
| MarcusM | then? | 17:25 |
| noobmonk3y | frosty`: - thankeee, you prob right ;) | 17:25 |
| noobmonk3y | naaa, think apt-cache search face* should work? | 17:25 |
| frosty` | MarcusM: apt-cache search facebook | 17:25 |
| MarcusM | aha, thx | 17:25 |
| frosty` | havn't spent time in my n900 yet.. so that could be wrong | 17:26 |
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| noobmonk3y | frosty`: - that worked for me ;) | 17:26 |
| frosty` | cool | 17:26 |
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| noobmonk3y | right, coffee and meeting, back in a bit | 17:27 |
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| Arkenoi | is there a software keyboard layout matching "wrong" russian keyboard (with 4 arrow keys etc)? | 17:29 |
| Arkenoi | some people sell phones with "incorrect" keyboards here | 17:29 |
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| FIQ-bot | Joined channel. If you want me to part (requires access-level 5), type !FIQ part. If this channel is an official network channel and you're an IRC Operator, type "!FIQ official" for preventing this channel from being joined in the future. You can also just ban me, but it will mean that I can join this channel in the future (if someone command me to join it). Join command used by: (self/unknown) | 17:37 |
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| DocAvalanche | FIQ-bot: info | 17:38 |
| frosty` | !FIQ info | 17:38 |
| frosty` | ? | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FIQ-bot: ? | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ-bot: help | 17:39 |
| Guest59449 | uhm | 17:40 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer | 17:40 | |
| Guest59449 | why did he join at all? | 17:40 |
| Guest59449 | !FIQ official | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tzz | 17:40 |
| Guest59449 | it's not official, but that will work for preventing this | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a shitty bot is THAT? | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | The fact I have to ask that question qualifies it for a kickban | 17:41 |
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| Guest59449 | i usually make useless bots when i'm bored. :3 | 17:42 |
| Guest59449 | and i don't mind if you kb it | 17:42 |
| toggles_w | FIQ-bot: SHOWCOMMANDS | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | IRC common sense is bots have to announce who's their owner and maybe what's their purpose as well | 17:42 |
| toggles_w | DocScrutinizer: seems you have to /msg the thing | 17:43 |
| lcuk | "I am a pusher bot" | 17:43 |
| lcuk | pac chooey umf | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | bahh | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen fiq-bot | 17:47 |
| infobot | fiq-bot <~FIQ@c80-216-25-160.bredband.comhem.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9m 57s ago, saying: 'Joined channel. If you want me to part (requires access-level 5), type !FIQ part. If this channel is an official network channel and you're an IRC Operator, type "!FIQ official" for preventing this channel from being joined in the future. You can also just ban me, but it will mean that I can join this channel in the future (if someone ... | 17:47 |
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| dmj726_n900 | What's the deal with -devel right now? Is it safe? | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not from what I read on ML. No change yet | 17:49 |
| hrw | dmj726_n900: it is safe as was before - things may work or may not | 17:50 |
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| dmj726_n900 | ok so no weird 1.2 issues? | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems devels testing if autobuilder1.2 works for their package is considered higher priority than devels shipping updates to real testers | 17:51 |
| hrw | I did not said that | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 17:51 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:51 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: life | 17:51 |
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| dmj726_n900 | If I install updates it's not going to install pr1.2 versions right? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: what | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | just hi | 17:53 |
| dmj726_n900 | just build them first? | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and *burrp* on autobuilder1.2 issue | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what a weird idea to host two basically dijunct OS in one repo | 17:54 |
| dmj726_n900 | ext up, the Windows 7 and Mac OSX repo. | 17:55 |
| dmj726_n900 | *next | 17:55 |
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| dmj726_n900 | one fat binary for both! | 17:55 |
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| DrGrov | Hello everyone. What's happening? | 17:57 |
| DrGrov | Any cool & good news ? | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm feeling as grumpy as usual :-P | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | isn't that cool&good? | 17:58 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that is really good. grumpy is not too shabby feeling on a Wednesday. | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 18:04 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: i was though hoping for a more cool news flash regarding the release of PR 1.2 | 18:06 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: :-) | 18:06 |
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| madduck | is there a "Phone Switch" application for the N900? Can I keep my contacts synchronised with another Nokia phone? | 18:06 |
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| * DocScrutinizer declares Pr1.2 to be the non-topic of the week | 18:07 | |
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| * noobmonk3y blinks | 18:07 | |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: aha, so no talk about PR 1.2 is allowed? :-P | 18:08 |
| * noobmonk3y slaps DrGrov | 18:08 | |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: you god damn.... | 18:08 |
| * noobmonk3y cuddles DrGrov | 18:09 | |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: well i will be damned. make up your mind already lol | 18:09 |
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| * noobmonk3y slaps then cuddles DrGrov, over and over again | 18:09 | |
| noobmonk3y | like any normal healthy relationship i say... | 18:10 |
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| madduck | get a room! ;) | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, . Do your debug pads match the schem? | 18:10 |
| * noobmonk3y rents a room....... | 18:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, As mine don't. | 18:10 |
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| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: yeah, i agree. a bit of hard, rough action and then some sweet love in between. yeah, a fully normal, yet healthy relationship. | 18:11 |
| noobmonk3y | :D - anyway , PR 1.2 out yet? | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: compare the flatbed scans in people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900 to the schematics photos on p.14/15. I haven't noticed any diffs | 18:12 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: don't you change the subject now god damn | 18:12 |
| noobmonk3y | hahaha | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, can't | 18:12 |
| noobmonk3y | ok, PR1.2.1 out? | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, on N900. | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, should be out by tomorrow | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: oh, I see | 18:13 |
| noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil: prob can, but will take ages ;) | 18:13 |
| DrGrov | anyone know anything about Motorola Milestone? is it a serious contender to the N900? | 18:13 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG_: along with the free rocket ride to the moon with every download? ;) | 18:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, so browsing huge images sucks. The number of pads is the same? As that means it's a diifferent rev to mine. | 18:13 |
| hrw | DrGrov: for sure it has more apps/games | 18:13 |
| DrGrov | hello MohammadAG_. I read your sharings on the PR 1.2. You wrote something about this, right? Screenshots and everything... | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, nah they changed it to mars | 18:13 |
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| MohammadAG_ | about what? | 18:13 |
| DrGrov | hrw: but it can't be a serious contender? | 18:14 |
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| DrGrov | MohammadAG_: on Pr 1.2? | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the boards look absolutely identical to me | 18:14 |
| noobmonk3y | DrGrov: on the sdk | 18:14 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DrGrov, yeah I put up some screenies from the SDK | 18:14 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG_: yes, on the SDK. | 18:14 |
| hrw | DrGrov: I am not familiar with android so cannot answer | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, when did you buy yours? | 18:14 |
| DrGrov | hrw: ah, i got a bit scared there but i see it has android so that makes me puke. | 18:14 |
| hrw | DrGrov: maemo5 is far from being perfect | 18:15 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG_: what did you think about the PR 1.2 SDK? | 18:15 |
| hrw | DrGrov: calendar suxx for example | 18:15 |
| DrGrov | hrw: yeah, it's not perfect. i give you that. but android then again... need to have a google account get apps etc. | 18:15 |
| DrGrov | hrw: not my cup of tea so to speak. | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | DrGrov, crap, but for a reason, it was updated before my N900 was and i can't build anything right | 18:16 |
| DrGrov | hrw: the calendar is actually not too bad though. yes, it suxx but not too bad. | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: preorder at nokia webshop. came with the very first batch officially shipped | 18:16 |
| hrw | DrGrov: please... | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | other than that, it's ok, nothing major | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | couldn't find the live wallpapers | 18:16 |
| hrw | DrGrov: alarm times are shown wrong, no edit of repeatable events, crappy month view.... want more examples? | 18:16 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG_: ok, so can't expect anything serious then but default nokia quality then... | 18:16 |
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| DrGrov | hrw: no, actually i can work with my own N900 calender. | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, go | 18:17 |
| hrw | DrGrov: I cant | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | DrGrov, nope, just some fixes, new features (not a lot) and a makeover | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, got mine end of nov. | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, preorder too. | 18:17 |
| DrGrov | hrw: oh, too bad :( actually i am happy with the calendar in the n900. i just need a few small things with the calendar. nothing major. | 18:17 |
| hrw | DrGrov: I have events which needs editing but I prefer to not do that because calendar will destroy repeating | 18:17 |
| hrw | DrGrov: I have events which repeat on first Tuesday of month | 18:18 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG_: oh, makeover in a positive manner? | 18:18 |
| hrw | DrGrov: n900 calendar destroys them on edit | 18:18 |
| DrGrov | hrw: oh, shit... i actually don't do calendar shit so much. just a few here and a few there... | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | DrGrov, yeah, a UI makeover, menu, browser etc... | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: from what I gather, milestone has a cryptographic locked bootloader and kernel. don't-touch-me-FOSS | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | i like app manager, seems to be faster in PR1.2, might actually use it | 18:19 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG_: oh, that is not too bad then. eagerly awaiting the PR 1.2. oh, that is even better news that the app manager i faster. i do like the app manager for all my needs. | 18:19 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: wtf did you just say? :D FOSS? :D | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry :-OP | 18:20 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: no problem :) | 18:20 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: just messing with you :) so, a don't touch me FOSS means literally what exactly? | 18:21 |
| dmj726_n9001 | he means you can't install your own custom kernel or OS. | 18:21 |
| dmj726_n9001 | on the milestone. | 18:21 |
| dmj726_n9001 | FOSS is Free and Open Source Software. | 18:22 |
| hrw | ~foss | 18:22 |
| infobot | somebody said foss was Free and Open Source Software | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it means you not only can't modify the OS kernel that ships with milestone, it also means you even can't load a different OS (like e.g mer on maemo devices would do) - the bootloader refuses to load any kernel that's not signed by motorola | 18:23 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: appmanager got speedup in 1.1.1 already | 18:23 |
| * noobmonk3y signs motorola on the forehead........ | 18:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: ??? | 18:23 |
| hrw | ops, that was to MohammadAG_ | 18:24 |
| hrw | sorry DocScrutinizer | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | hrw, not as much as in PR1.2, seems much snappier | 18:24 |
| * andrewfblack just removed over 80k per page from minimalist theme | 18:25 | |
| hrw | MohammadAG_: in x86 sdk or on device? | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | (note that it could be a CPU thing, but I asked Speed Evil about it and his app manager (and mine) keeps ignoring packages) | 18:25 |
| dmj726_n9001 | I'm thinking of ways to make my GSoC project more useful for sighted people. | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | didn't want to highlight/ping him, so i added a space :) | 18:25 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | Perhaps a way to take better notes fromthe book you're reading? | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n9001: interesting. Though I have no idea what you're talking about exactly | 18:28 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread | 18:30 |
| dmj726_n9001 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=585502 | 18:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | ignores apps? | 18:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - highlights are generally ok. Apart from when I'm doing well in blocks. | 18:32 |
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| * Arif_ yawns | 18:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | fun. taking a picture - which failed for some reason. | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | camera now just shows that image when started. | 18:36 |
| * noobmonk3y is goin home | 18:37 | |
| nidO | jesus the copyright thread in community's really come alive this afternoon | 18:37 |
| noobmonk3y | jesus copyrighted a thread? | 18:38 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 18:38 | |
| nidO | imaginary people cant copyright anything | 18:38 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 18:38 |
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| mgedmin | hasn't jis copyright expired yet? it's death + 75 years, no? | 18:38 |
| * noobmonk3y better go pack for his Christian holiday ;) | 18:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 18:39 |
| Arif_ | nidO, probably one person blattering on about people stealing and other people not caring | 18:39 |
| Arif_ | :d | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Clearly jesus's copyright will have expired on any works. | 18:39 |
| lcuk | how do i get the first 2mb of a 40mb file into a new file? | 18:39 |
| Arif_ | what file is it? | 18:40 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: dd? | 18:40 |
| Arif_ | copy the first 2MB in a hex editor? :P | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | however - what is the copyright position following a second coming? | 18:40 |
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| lcuk | Shapeshifter, mm "dd if=one of=two ..." ? | 18:40 |
| Shapeshifter | dd in=file of=other_file count=1 bs=2048000 or something | 18:40 |
| nidO | Arif_ yeah basically, dread123's the most moronic muppet i've seen in a while | 18:40 |
| Shapeshifter | oh s/in/if/ | 18:41 |
| Arif_ | SpeedEvil, thou shalt not warez... | 18:41 |
| Shapeshifter | and maybe you want a different byte count | 18:41 |
| ShadowJK | dmj726_n9001, you're doing accessibility for blind? | 18:41 |
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| Arif_ | wha? | 18:41 |
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| Arif_ | I thought I was the only visually impaired N900 user =P | 18:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | lcuk: 2 097 152 bytes? | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | yeah ish | 18:42 |
| lcuk | ahhh thanks Shapeshifter | 18:42 |
| lcuk | didnt see you had posted cmd | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n9001: really nice project. | 18:42 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: sorry didn't highlight | 18:42 |
| lcuk | that should work \o | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Arif_, ? | 18:43 |
| Arif_ | what? | 18:43 |
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| Arif_ | The n900 has the right combination of hardware and software for an accessibility device. | 18:44 |
| Arif_ | heh | 18:44 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | DocScrutinizer: any ways you think I could improve it? | 18:45 |
| Arif_ | I use the camera to find classes @ uni :D | 18:45 |
| guiman | a possibility to use the wap on maemo5? | 18:45 |
| lcuk | well, that was worthwhile \@/ now i chopped it i didnt know mp4 kept indexes/info at the tail of the file | 18:45 |
| lcuk | bah | 18:45 |
| ShadowJK | n900 has no wap browser | 18:45 |
| guiman | no plugin, no work around? | 18:45 |
| Arif_ | I thought wap died in 2002 | 18:46 |
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| guiman | ;-) sfr use it and a lot of services are always based on wap? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: lol, you can't chop mp4 or any other compressed format like you would do with e.g. a textfile | 18:47 |
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| lcuk | used to be able to with avi | 18:47 |
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| lcuk | or was it mpeg normal | 18:47 |
| jaska | mpeg | 18:47 |
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| nidO | mpeg yes, not compressed | 18:47 |
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| Celesteh_ | hey, is there active devlopment on erming? anybody know? | 18:48 |
| ShadowJK | "not compressed"? | 18:48 |
| lcuk | compressed, but the stream info is at head of file | 18:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | lcuk: well if you know how long the info data is at the end, you can do something like dd if=foo of=bar skip=$((lengh_of_file-lenght_of_data)) count=1 bs=lenght_of_data | 18:48 |
| nidO | well, not compressed into a wrapped container as mp4 or avi is | 18:48 |
| lcuk | vobs too afaik | 18:48 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, not worth it | 18:48 |
| lcuk | thx tho | 18:48 |
| ShadowJK | mpeg has a sync word and the necessary stuff for decodig is repeated often enough :) | 18:49 |
| lcuk | yeah it was avis that had an index at the end, but it could be rebuilt easily | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n9001: I suggest not to defocus on trying to make a specialized app (here: accessability) do things that are more or less offtopic. | 18:51 |
| dmj726_n9001 | arif: how do you do that? | 18:53 |
| dmj726_n9001 | ok | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | (crop media files) anyway there are specialized tools for that. And there's good reason there are | 18:53 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | Perhaps leave that to others if they are interested. My accessibility app's code would be available to everyone. | 18:53 |
| Arif_ | dmj726_n9001, use the camera to zoom and read the room tags | 18:54 |
| Arif_ | I can only read text when its like.....very near my eyes ={ | 18:54 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | arif: what is your vision like? | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | what daemons listens to when headphones are plugged in and adjusts volume | 18:55 |
| * ShadowJK re-encoded a 30 minute h264/aac file to mpeg4/mp2 with mencoder on n900 in attempt to run down mugen's battery | 18:55 | |
| ShadowJK | the cpu seems to use surprisingly little power at full tilt | 18:55 |
| dmj726_n9001 | arif: myopia? | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | mencoder? | 18:56 |
| Arif_ | dmj726_n9001, both eyes have aniridia | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | what does keyboard completion, and is it open? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: (daemon) I guess that should be mce, no? | 18:56 |
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| Arif_ | one eye's retina is totally useless and the other one barely works | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, does it handle the volume keys too? | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I got no idea at all, just wild guessing | 18:57 |
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| greenfly | MohammadAG_: it might be connected to pulse audio | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | hildon input method I'd guess? | 18:58 |
| greenfly | MohammadAG_: ie. it might just remember wherever the headphone volume was set to last time | 18:58 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, yep it was mce | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | but still can't change volume using the keys :/ | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | greenfly, mce | 18:59 |
| greenfly | ok | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | dockane, thanks | 18:59 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | arif: would you be interested in testing for me? | 19:00 |
| Arif_ | sure :) | 19:00 |
| DrGrov | anyone know of any xmms/audacious music player for the N900? or something similar to xmms or audacious? | 19:01 |
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| * DocScrutinizer considers building a phone out of the N900 kit on his desk ;-P | 19:02 | |
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| Texrat | anyone home? | 19:14 |
| dmj726_n9001 | nope | 19:14 |
| Texrat | ah good | 19:14 |
| joga | I'm about to leave home | 19:14 |
| * Texrat fires up pr0n in solitary peace | 19:15 | |
| Texrat | pupnik you here? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | lo texrat | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | and congrats | 19:15 |
| Texrat | hey stskeeps | 19:15 |
| pupnik | hi | 19:15 |
| Texrat | ty | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | good to see a sane council | 19:15 |
| Texrat | pupnik I take it you and Carol had a good time? | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_native_install_on_N900 | 19:17 |
| DrGrov | bbl | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | all things considered, you're the right kind :P | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, wonderful! thanks! | 19:18 |
| Texrat | there's a right kind of insane? cool | 19:19 |
| * MohammadAG_ backs up | 19:19 | |
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| khertan | hi ! | 19:24 |
| khertan | as now the ovi store is online ... does there is news about paid application ? | 19:25 |
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| nidO | paid maemo apps arent available atm | 19:26 |
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| khertan | :( | 19:27 |
| khertan | thx for the answer | 19:27 |
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| khertan | so i suppose dev cannot still submit apps for maemo :( | 19:28 |
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| nidO | you can | 19:28 |
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| nidO | but not paid ones | 19:28 |
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| Texrat | aren't paid maemo apps waiting for Harmattan? | 19:28 |
| khertan | nidO : i cannot register | 19:28 |
| khertan | so i don t see how i ll be able to submit free app for maemo | 19:29 |
| nidO | hm, no vat number? | 19:29 |
| khertan | still require vat number which not all company have in france | 19:29 |
| nidO | might be an idea to email their publisher support address | 19:30 |
| nidO | see if theres any way theyll take a registration with different info | 19:30 |
| khertan | you mean again ? | 19:30 |
| khertan | :) | 19:30 |
| * Arkenoi just purchased replacement n900 with 4 arrow keys and russian layout | 19:30 | |
| khertan | they didnt answer | 19:30 |
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| nidO | post to the publisher forum then maybe? | 19:31 |
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| Arif_ | people still think Ovi store will get content | 19:34 |
| Arif_ | how cute | 19:34 |
| lardman | afternoon all | 19:34 |
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| Arif_ | ohai thar | 19:34 |
| nidO | Arif_ go publish some! | 19:34 |
| * Arif_ publishes a burp app | 19:34 | |
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| * dmj726_n9001 publishes...app runs off to extras. | 19:35 | |
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| Khertan_ | re | 19:35 |
| Arif_ | moo | 19:35 |
| lcuk | hi lardman Khertan_ | 19:35 |
| Khertan_ | sorry was disconnected | 19:36 |
| lardman | hey Khertan_, lcuk | 19:36 |
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| TheOne | can someone tell me a command to print the battery status in percentage? | 19:42 |
| Arif_ | the N900 doesn't support printing | 19:42 |
| Arif_ | :( | 19:42 |
| ShadowJK | hal-device bme | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | heh, my phone suppored printing address-book entries via IrDA | 19:42 |
| TheOne | no, i mean on commandline | 19:42 |
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| mgedmin | it was fun seeing an A4 page come out with just a small 10pt phone number in the upper-left corner | 19:43 |
| marcusmoller | heya | 19:43 |
| Arif_ | mgedmin, most phones can print pictures and the like over IR | 19:43 |
| Arif_ | :D | 19:43 |
| Arif_ | The N900 misses such annoying features <3 | 19:43 |
| marcusmoller | still getting host timedout while looking for updates :( | 19:44 |
| C-S-B | who needs to print from a phone, or print full stop. | 19:44 |
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| Arif_ | marcusmoller flash manually! | 19:44 |
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| MohammadAG | umm, flasher-3.5 doesn't support x64? | 19:44 |
| Arif_ | no | 19:45 |
| TheOne | ShadowJK: thx | 19:45 |
| * MohammadAG facepalms | 19:45 | |
| nidO | my e90 could print over wifi :( | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | The N900 can print from Easy Debian | 19:45 |
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| Arif_ | I can draw whatever I want to write on a piece of paper by the time thats started up | 19:45 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 19:45 |
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| Arif_ | -write+print | 19:46 |
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| MohammadAG | <Arif_> no | 19:47 |
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| * MohammadAG goes back to Ubuntu 32bit | 19:47 | |
| C-S-B | MohammadAG dont do it!!! | 19:47 |
| C-S-B | can you not even force architecture/ | 19:47 |
| MarcusM | Arif_: is it possible to brick it by flashing it? | 19:47 |
| dmj726_n9001 | chroot? | 19:47 |
| C-S-B | mohammadAG boot from a usb into 32bit | 19:48 |
| Arif_ | MarcusM I haven't ever flashed my phone | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I have, worked fine. | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | MarcusM, Bad Things can happen if you interrupt the flashing process when it's flashing the boot loader, AFAIU | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | C-S-B, how do I force it? | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | --force-? | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | it may refuse to flash over USB after that and you'll need to go some Nokia shop that has a jtag (?) flashing device | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | which is a .01s window | 19:49 |
| * mgedmin wonders if installing ia32-libs would allow the flasher to work on 64-bit ubuntu | 19:49 | |
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| dmj726_n9001 | either that or a 32 bit chroot | 19:50 |
| C-S-B | mohammadAG sudo dpkg --force-architecture | 19:50 |
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| C-S-B | mohammadAG you may need some 32bit libs | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | C-S-B, flasher is not distributed in a .deb, AFAIK | 19:50 |
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| MohammadAG | mgedmin, it is | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | oh? cool | 19:50 |
| C-S-B | ;) | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | and a tar.gz | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | since when, though? | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | since 3.5? | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | think so | 19:51 |
| C-S-B | let me know if that works ok mohammadAG as ill be doing it once i get my laptop up and running | 19:51 |
| * mgedmin wishes planet.maemo.org imported "likes" counts from Google Reader | 19:51 | |
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| mgedmin | it's a big hassle to go click on the heart icon | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | first it asks for authentication in a form that looks like it has broken CSS | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | then it forgets you clicked on the heard and you have to go find the post *again* in a huuuge page | 19:52 |
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| mgedmin | and then when you click it reloads the whole page and then does AJAXy stuff with a spinner spinning much longer than it feels comfortable before it deigns to register your vote | 19:53 |
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| mgedmin | what's that little white square about in http://imagebin.ca/view/B60lKua.html ? CSS bug? | 19:54 |
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| Trizt | timeless; if seeing "undisclosed_pstn:345", does it mean that there is missing translation in the GB English translation? | 19:57 |
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| lardman | OT, but anyone know how to show deleted (but not purged) messages in Kontact? | 19:57 |
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| andrewfblack | wow dead last in election. | 20:01 |
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| andrewfblack | GAN900: Ping | 20:03 |
| GAN900 | pong | 20:03 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, need more face time. :P | 20:03 |
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| andrewfblack | GAN900: what you mean? | 20:04 |
| * MohammadAG_ can't figure out how to install MeeGo | 20:04 | |
| MohammadAG_ | kernel image seems to be missing | 20:04 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: I reduced Minimalist theme from 250kb a page to around 50kb a page | 20:04 |
| lardman | hey GAN900, congrats | 20:05 |
| lardman | and to everyone else | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | andrewfblack, I saw swwing typos in the html code | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | seeing* | 20:05 |
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| andrewfblack | ShadowJK: I'm not surprised this the code I started with was really messed up and written by someone whos first lanuage is spanish. Can you post the types to minimalist theme thread? | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | I think I did, to about 4 different threads where people complained about minimalist jump to first unread not working | 20:07 |
| ShadowJK | iirc page is full of </table| instead of </table> or something similar | 20:08 |
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| andrewfblack | ShadowJK: I'll take a look at it | 20:12 |
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| noobmonk3y | go on then, who's already installed it, and got meego working? | 20:16 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm intruiged but need my phone next week, so dont want to damage it lol | 20:16 |
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| Arif_ | does it have a better media player? | 20:17 |
| noobmonk3y | and ffs my ebay sale is stupidly low with 20 mins left on it!! | 20:17 |
| RST38h | Oh yesss: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/31mar1052gefdvgg.jpg | 20:17 |
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| noobmonk3y | anyone want a cheap laptop ;) | 20:17 |
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| Arif_ | no | 20:17 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 20:17 |
| Arif_ | I already have a laptop :P | 20:17 |
| noobmonk3y | i have 3 :) - soon to be 2 :( - need the cash | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: trash? | 20:18 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmmm ebay is full of last second bidders isnt it? | 20:18 |
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| andrewfblack | ShadowJK: I can't find </table| anywhere in the template files | 20:18 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: sorry I should have been clearer, they are marked for deletion on the imap server (from another email app), but weren't deleted in Kontact itself | 20:19 |
| ea_suter | hello folks | 20:19 |
| noobmonk3y | heya | 20:19 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, have you checked in the </kitchen| | 20:19 |
| noobmonk3y | anyway, so no one has got meego going yet? ;) | 20:19 |
| noobmonk3y | shocked :P | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, already flashed | 20:19 |
| noobmonk3y | yay! | 20:19 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG_, :D i expect screenies and a full review lol | 20:19 |
| Arif_ | MohammadAG_ hows moogo? :P | 20:19 |
| noobmonk3y | does the phone part work? | 20:20 |
| andrewfblack | lcuk: lol | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | Arif_, bash-y | 20:20 |
| * noobmonk3y moo's for moogo | 20:20 | |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, it's just a shell, atm | 20:20 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhh | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | or I'm missing something | 20:20 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 20:20 |
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| MohammadAG_ | more of an eye test, font's very small | 20:20 |
| noobmonk3y | http://meego.gitorious.org/ | 20:20 |
| noobmonk3y | loadsa extra bits there | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | well at least they got rid of BusyBox | 20:20 |
| noobmonk3y | all code tho lol | 20:20 |
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| * lardman wonders if he should actually try TMO for the first time this month to catch up on the goings on | 20:21 | |
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| noobmonk3y | meh 14 mins left, no extra bidders... cmmon fleabay gimme lots of money! | 20:21 |
| noobmonk3y | lardman, - really? | 20:21 |
| noobmonk3y | put your best trolling suit on ;) | 20:21 |
| lardman | nah you're right, madness | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, proximity, just a reminder (hey you asked for one :) ) | 20:21 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo good remonedr! | 20:22 |
| noobmonk3y | well crack on with the code after fleabaying | 20:22 |
| noobmonk3y | reminder* | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | hoooooray, no more messybox \o/ | 20:22 |
| nidO | noobmonk3y whatre you selling? | 20:23 |
| noobmonk3y | laptop | 20:23 |
| s2n | where can i find resources for developing a msn application? | 20:23 |
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| noobmonk3y | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290419110372 | 20:23 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 20:23 |
| nidO | s2n you want to develop an msn client from the ground up? | 20:24 |
| s2n | yes | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, someone I know has the same laptop lol | 20:24 |
| noobmonk3y | Yeah me, i have 2 lol | 20:24 |
| Shapeshifter | s2n: why on earth would you want to do that? | 20:24 |
| Arif_ | woo, a 41st MSN client on Maemo \o/ | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | LOL | 20:24 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe tis a good old lappy | 20:24 |
| noobmonk3y | £160 is a hell of a bargain, hardly been used! | 20:25 |
| Shapeshifter | A) MSN is crap. B) there's billions already. | 20:25 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, email me. Stopped at a light right now. ;) | 20:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol GAN900 | 20:25 |
| GAN900 | lardman, thanks! | 20:25 |
| nidO | s2n, thats a mammoth enormous project that's basically far beyond the scope of one person who doesn't know where to start | 20:25 |
| nidO | you'd probably be much better lending your hand to one of the many other actively developed clients | 20:25 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: lol not chatting while driving | 20:25 |
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| GAN900 | No, sitting at the world's longest red light. ;) | 20:26 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwwwww | 20:26 |
| microlith | "Seriously Officer, I wasn't texting while driving!" | 20:26 |
| * noobmonk3y is going for a ciggy | 20:26 | |
| nidO | Arif_ : maemo may have several msn applications, but it could really do with one that properly supports msnp18 | 20:26 |
| Arif_ | nidO, you can say that about most things on Maemo actually | 20:27 |
| Arif_ | it has a dozen alternatives but none work well :p | 20:27 |
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| nidO | well, I wouldnt be adverse to another client that works properly. amsn are working on implementing msnp18, but afaik theyre the only people that are | 20:27 |
| nidO | the maemo-dedicated msn clients arent going anywhere it seems | 20:28 |
| s2n | what about a to do list... is there any good one existing ? | 20:28 |
| Arif_ | msnp18 in the conversations plugin is what I want | 20:28 |
| Arif_ | s2n if you want you can create a media player that doesn't suck :) | 20:28 |
| nidO | personally i'm not that desperate about the conversations plugin - there are advantages to having im separate from it | 20:28 |
| Arif_ | yeah, all my MSN contacts are in the contact list now :( | 20:29 |
| nidO | exactly, I dont much like that | 20:29 |
| Arif_ | and you can't clean up | 20:29 |
| Arif_ | that'll remove the contacts from MSN too | 20:29 |
| Arif_ | which is retarded :D | 20:29 |
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| s2n | have anyone checked the new ideas for gsoc-maemo there is one Mywallet ... any opinion for that/ | 20:30 |
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| s2n | here is the link if anyone wants to see..http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas#Easy | 20:32 |
| lardman | hmm, bbl | 20:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh 2 mins left | 20:33 |
| s2n | Is it going to help in any way? | 20:33 |
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| nidO | that wallet app seems pretty straightforward | 20:33 |
| nidO | probably not the most beneficial idea on that list though | 20:34 |
| * Arif_ opens a fake account and bids 3000 euro on noobmonk3y's laptop | 20:34 | |
| noobmonk3y | yay1 | 20:34 |
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| noobmonk3y | would mean i can re-list n get more lol | 20:34 |
| noobmonk3y | right common last minute bidders | 20:34 |
| noobmonk3y | 40 secs! | 20:34 |
| s2n | anything more that ca be added to make it more beneficial. | 20:34 |
| nidO | ooo | 20:35 |
| * SpeedEvil bids with 7s to go. | 20:35 | |
| nidO | just went up £15 | 20:35 |
| noobmonk3y | yay! | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | (nolt on that) | 20:35 |
| C-S-B | whats the link? | 20:35 |
| nidO | sold :P | 20:35 |
| nidO | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290419110372 | 20:35 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 20:35 |
| noobmonk3y | still cheap | 20:35 |
| s2n | what about the to do list?/ | 20:35 |
| nidO | not really | 20:35 |
| nidO | £175 for that spec second hand isnt bad atall | 20:36 |
| noobmonk3y | a guy said he would bid up to 240... and didnt even bid lol | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | andrewfblack, i'm on n900 now so can't view source sanely :( | 20:36 |
| noobmonk3y | very very cheap i say! | 20:36 |
| nidO | not terribly | 20:36 |
| C-S-B | noobmonk3y, nice laptop. You're a new linux user? whats the netbook you have. | 20:36 |
| Arif_ | noobmonk3y is used to getting money by sitting around | 20:36 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 20:37 |
| noobmonk3y | got an acer aspire, 2 (soon to be one hp), a dell, and a custom pc, but yeah new to linux :D | 20:37 |
| Arif_ | talking about wasting money | 20:37 |
| s2n | any pick on the to do list? | 20:37 |
| nidO | pff, lots of pc's is the way to go | 20:37 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Arif_ - half of them are company hand me downs | 20:37 |
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| noobmonk3y | i work in it lol | 20:37 |
| nidO | I have one there > and 2 there < | 20:37 |
| nidO | and a laptop over there \/ | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | but the pc and the hp are mine | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | and an n900 v there? | 20:38 |
| nidO | and a media tablet in the post | 20:38 |
| nidO | and an n900 right there /\ | 20:38 |
| C-S-B | noobmonk3y, im on an acer aspire one. | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | yay :D | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | good ickle netbooks | 20:38 |
| C-S-B | with lucid lynx | 20:38 |
| Arif_ | I'm thinking of getting a DSi XL | 20:38 |
| Arif_ | :P | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 20:38 |
| C-S-B | Arif_, NOOOOOOOO | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_, meh | 20:38 |
| s2n | Is there anything maemo really lacks and is easy to develop?? | 20:39 |
| C-S-B | noobmonk3y, I reckon you would have got more if you have of just stuck vista on there. | 20:39 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah, extra effort :P | 20:39 |
| C-S-B | extra money! | 20:39 |
| noobmonk3y | did a 3 day bid so i could get some cash for my holiday next week | 20:39 |
| Arif_ | why not XD | 20:39 |
| C-S-B | My brother bought a dsi xl for my mum and they are massive and ugly | 20:40 |
| C-S-B | get a pandora. | 20:40 |
| C-S-B | n900 with gaming controls :P | 20:40 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 20:40 |
| Arif_ | you say the DSi XL is ugly and reccomend the pandora | 20:40 |
| nidO | get a touchbook \o/ | 20:40 |
| Arif_ | rofl | 20:40 |
| microlith | minus the whole phone-thing | 20:40 |
| C-S-B | yeah | 20:40 |
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| C-S-B | well to be honest, the psp, hacked is the best console on the move | 20:41 |
| Arif_ | the PSP only has 4 games | 20:41 |
| Arif_ | which I played | 20:41 |
| Arif_ | :P | 20:41 |
| C-S-B | before getting the n900, i used the psp for emulation, net, rss and skype | 20:41 |
| Shapeshifter | lol wow, ovi store now has 5 stars and not just 3 | 20:41 |
| C-S-B | though skype is shit. | 20:41 |
| Shapeshifter | now that's progress for you | 20:41 |
| C-S-B | what has 5 stars? | 20:42 |
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| Arif_ | it took them a whole day to implement that Shapeshifter, show some love!@ | 20:42 |
| Shapeshifter | C-S-B: rating system | 20:42 |
| * C-S-B should actually install and play angry birds | 20:42 | |
| nidO | in fairness, they did also implement maemo content publishing | 20:42 |
| Arif_ | oh and it now can remember your account for 2 weeks | 20:42 |
| C-S-B | Shapeshifter, my question was what app has 5 out of 5 stars, sorry | 20:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | C-S-B: no, I mean, earlier, ovi store only offered 1, 2 or 3 stars | 20:42 |
| Arif_ | nidO, too bad no one cares about moomo 5 ;( | 20:42 |
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| C-S-B | Shapeshifter, I understand! lol | 20:43 |
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| C-S-B | Shapeshifter, I was asking what app has obtained the 5 stars | 20:43 |
| s2n | can anyone give me any suggestion on an application that i can develop and will help maemo community.. | 20:44 |
| nidO | thats easy to develop? | 20:44 |
| Arif_ | s2n, a driver for the N95 remote | 20:44 |
| Arif_ | ;< | 20:44 |
| Arif_ | http://store.ovi.com/content/29910?clickSource=homepage | 20:44 |
| Arif_ | has 5 stars! | 20:44 |
| s2n | i am rookie... need sumthing easy | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | C-S-B, flasher works btw, thanks | 20:45 |
| C-S-B | is there a hid profile for using the n900 as a bluetooth mouse for the comp? | 20:45 |
| C-S-B | MohammadAG_, yaye! i did a help. | 20:45 |
| nidO | if you specifically want something easy, then a wallet app might be a good way to go | 20:45 |
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| nidO | C-S-B there is, you need to enable it manually though, and it doesnt work very well in most cases | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG_ | nidO, he needs the opposite | 20:46 |
| C-S-B | would like a remote for xbmc over bluetooth. | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | he needs to control a PC using the N900, use BlueMaemo | 20:46 |
| nidO | ah yeah, i got as far as "is there a hid profile" | 20:46 |
| C-S-B | lol | 20:46 |
| C-S-B | so install bluemaemo? | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | yep | 20:47 |
| C-S-B | cheers | 20:47 |
| C-S-B | you guys are my google :P | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | has anyone gotten using bt keyb sorted? | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | well one for one :) | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, I use my SU-8W | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I used wiki suggestions but to nol avail. | 20:47 |
| s2n | it is actually my idea but since it is quite straight forward i was havig 2nd thoughts. what about the to do list | 20:47 |
| nidO | bt keyboards work alright for some people, not others | 20:47 |
| nidO | s2n well there are already several to-do style options | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_, did you need to do anythikng other than coment out the exclusion of the iknput moldule, and then pair? | 20:48 |
| C-S-B | whats the best text editor ? anyone says vi, they die or send me a cheat sheet. | 20:48 |
| nidO | your main problem is that simple to code + really really useful generally = already been coded | 20:48 |
| nidO | nano. | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, restart the BT service (stop bluetoothd) or just reboot | 20:49 |
| Arif_ | C-S-B, tried leafpad? | 20:49 |
| s2n | yah rite.. | 20:49 |
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| C-S-B | nano isnt available in the reapo is it? | 20:49 |
| nidO | oh you mean on the device | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | C-S-B, it is | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It simply flashes the data transfer light on the keyb - and the bt icon goes blue for a momnet on keypress. nothing appears. | 20:49 |
| nidO | it should be, but you might want leafpad anyway | 20:49 |
| Arkenoi | any other four-arrows russian keyboard users here? | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, maybe you need to enter the code and press enter on the keyboard? | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG_ | (paring code) | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | C-S-B, how about vim then? | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_, done that. paired okay | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | comes with its own cheat-sheet prebundled | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | vimtutor rules, :help also | 20:50 |
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| * SpeedEvil retriesx. | 20:50 | |
| C-S-B | vi/vim I've never got along with them. but thanks for the recommendation | 20:50 |
| C-S-B | I do use vi, but I avoid. | 20:51 |
| nidO | go with nano or leafpad | 20:51 |
| C-S-B | or both! | 20:51 |
| s2n | nido, thank you for your help... | 20:51 |
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| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, although I highly doubt it, do you have SIXAXIS support installed? they conflict with each other | 20:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 20:51 |
| mece | anyone use dosbox for games here? | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. different behaviour now. it asks whenever I press a key if I want to accept connecion. no sixaxis | 20:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG_, just thinking, what if peoples proximity sensors aren't working? lol | 20:53 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG_; how does it go with meego? | 20:53 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | i mean h/c app... idea yesterday | 20:54 |
| Arif_ | noobmonk3y have you sold your lepdop? | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | for peanuts.... :( | 20:54 |
| Arif_ | mmmm | 20:54 |
| Arif_ | 175 peanutes? | 20:54 |
| Arif_ | peanuts* | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | honey roasted ones i hope | 20:54 |
| Arif_ | nutes? :D | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | Trizt, it's just a shell, for now | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | foreign peanuts maybe? | 20:54 |
| Arif_ | what about roasted sunflower seeds | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | meh no thanks | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, well your app would double as a proximity test then | 20:55 |
| Trizt | oh, I thought it was more than shell | 20:55 |
| noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG_ | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | Trizt, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=590170&postcount=16 | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | was gonna update a screenie but I found that one | 20:55 |
| TheOne | noobmonk3y: flashing/updating my n900 was really easy, but now the documentation and example files are gone | 20:55 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG_; yhanks for the link | 20:56 |
| noobmonk3y | TheOne, did you do a backup? | 20:56 |
| noobmonk3y | should ask you to restore after | 20:56 |
| noobmonk3y | it then reinstalls everything :D | 20:56 |
| TheOne | no :D | 20:56 |
| noobmonk3y | lol....... | 20:56 |
| Trizt | I guess I'll wait a while longer | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | but docs are in /home/MyDocs, right? it's not cleared when flashing | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | unless you flashed the eMMC image too? | 20:56 |
| noobmonk3y | TheOne, - lesson one, a bit late, allways do a backup ;) | 20:56 |
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| noobmonk3y | all the starter apps are on the app manager | 20:57 |
| TheOne | no if i open the filemanager there is no folder | 20:57 |
| noobmonk3y | no folder? | 20:57 |
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| noobmonk3y | no mydocs?! | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | <mgedmin> but docs are in /home/MyDocs, right? it's not cleared when flashing | 20:57 |
| nidO | if only he had an updated version of healthcheck with backup warnings... | 20:57 |
| TheOne | no folder, no mydocs | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | /home/user/MyDocs | 20:57 |
| noobmonk3y | ohhhhhk, did you flash with windows xp or something? lol | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | MohammadAG_, right, thanks | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | np :) | 20:58 |
| noobmonk3y | can you go into terminal and type df -h .... should let you know whats there | 20:58 |
| TheOne | no i flash with debian | 20:58 |
| noobmonk3y | also did you flash the emmc? | 20:58 |
| * noobmonk3y 's jokes dont work | 20:58 | |
| MohammadAG_ | whoops, just deleted the .apt-archive-cache folder, oh well | 20:58 |
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| TheOne | thats what i did - flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | TheOne, the documentation should stay | 20:59 |
| TheOne | did i forgot something ? | 20:59 |
| noobmonk3y | hmm dont think you forgot but there are 2 things you can flash | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | TheOne, err nope | 20:59 |
| noobmonk3y | just sounds a bit odd | 20:59 |
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| MohammadAG_ | TheOne, can you save/delete anything from Nokia N900 (MyDocs) | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | TheOne, you need kernel too | 20:59 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_images_for_N900 | 21:00 |
| noobmonk3y | thankee lcuk | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_native_install_on_N900 | 21:00 |
| lcuk | gives actual expected command line | 21:00 |
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| TheOne | step 1.4 ? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 21:00 |
| Shapeshifter | but the store still sucks big time. no reviews on app page. | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, umm | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG_ | he's not talking about MeeGo | 21:01 |
| * lcuk shouldnt change channels so rapidly | 21:01 | |
| lcuk | sorry | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG_ | apology accepted :P | 21:01 |
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| TheOne | yes i mean maemo NOT meego | 21:02 |
| mece | you running meego lcuk? | 21:02 |
| lcuk | im busy doing other things | 21:03 |
| TheOne | so is step 1.4 the necessary step? | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | TheOne, install rootsh and try (after typing root and enter in terminal) fsck.vfat -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 21:03 |
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| TheOne | MohammadAG: okay fsck finished now | 21:13 |
| TheOne | what should i do now? | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | TheOne, reboot :) | 21:14 |
| TheOne | okay | 21:14 |
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| MohammadAG_ | TheOne, you didn't highlight me, so I didn't notice your question :) | 21:15 |
| t-tan | I'm just uploading kernel-maemo-flasher with kexec support | 21:15 |
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| TheOne | ah yeah i forget the underline | 21:15 |
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| TheOne | next time ;) | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | t-tan, I was looking for you the other day, inserting the joikuspot module seems to give an error, module format isn't supported (or something similar) | 21:16 |
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| MohammadAG | TheOne, nah, you don't need to now :) | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | oh and you can use tab to complete nick names | 21:16 |
| jatt | i installed the facebook widget from the ovo store, the app. manager says the widget is installed but I don,t find it in the widgets menu | 21:16 |
| jatt | what could be the reason? | 21:17 |
| TheOne | oh that is cool, i doesnt know that, thx | 21:17 |
| t-tan | MohammadAG: ok, I | 21:17 |
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| TheOne | MohammadAG: thank you very much, the folder "Nokia N900" is now availble again | 21:18 |
| t-tan | I'll try to fix that in the next versioon | 21:18 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | does the browser have ingcognito mode/ private browsing. never know when the gs is going to check history fro pr0n. | 21:18 |
| TheOne | i think i the restart was the magic ^^ | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | TheOne, no probs :) | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | TheOne, actually the fsck was, your partition was corrupt | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | the reboot was just so you don't have to remount it manually (umount to unmount and mount to mount it again), I just figured it'd be faster | 21:20 |
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| TheOne | but if that, fsck had show me that right? | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | TheOne, -a fixes it automatically | 21:20 |
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| TheOne | without any notice? | 21:20 |
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| MohammadAG | TheOne, you'll see something about clusters, it won't ask you about anything | 21:21 |
| apoirier | t-tan: how is the uploaded kernel ? Where can we download it ? | 21:22 |
| C-S-B-N900 | GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org> | 21:22 |
| C-S-B-N900 | is that just me? | 21:23 |
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| t-tan | It's still building on autobuilder. You'll need to install the package kernel-maemo-flasher from the System catalogue. only version maemo18 has kexec support | 21:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | also funny; all 1-star old-ovi reviews are now 3-star | 21:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | so the ratings are all skewed | 21:30 |
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| s2n | i want to develop application using qt with maemo sdk. is there any link giving steps to setup qt with maemo | 21:33 |
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| MohammadAG | gonna repartiton, brb | 21:36 |
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| Arif_ | Shapeshifter, there are a few 0 star items in N900 store too :D | 21:37 |
| Shapeshifter | Arif_: yeah but the old ones with 1 star were upgraded to 3 in the 3->5 star change | 21:38 |
| Shapeshifter | apparently. | 21:38 |
| Arif_ | anything to make the store look good :) | 21:38 |
| Arif_ | they can now start adding actually useful stuff | 21:38 |
| Arif_ | angry birds is boring | 21:39 |
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| s2n | help required in setting up qt with maemo | 21:41 |
| t-tan | the kernel package is ready and available from extras-devel (version maemo18) | 21:41 |
| Shapeshifter | s2n: there's nothing to "set up". qt comes with maemo, and it's also in the SDK. | 21:41 |
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| s2n | can you give the step do i have to use virtual machine | 21:42 |
| toggles_w | Anyone else see the Nokia peeps on covent garden on the weekend offering to turn OVI maps on for free turn by turn? | 21:43 |
| Shapeshifter | s2n: what do you mean? are you saying you don't have the SDK installed yet? | 21:43 |
| s2n | no | 21:43 |
| toggles_w | They completely failed when my cousin and I gave them n900's, they claimed they were fake phones ;-) | 21:43 |
| Shapeshifter | s2n: no, what? no, you'r not saying, or no, you haven't got it installed? | 21:43 |
| s2n | i havent got it ionstalled | 21:43 |
| Shapeshifter | s2n: are you on linux? | 21:44 |
| s2n | no windows | 21:44 |
| Shapeshifter | s2n: so you need linux, or a virtual machine with a linux. I think there's a pre-made image somewhere, let me see.... | 21:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | s2n: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images here you go | 21:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | toggles_w: lol good story | 21:47 |
| toggles_w | was quite amusing yanking their chains, they didn't even know what it was | 21:48 |
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| toggles_w | probably weren't even Nokia just daily hires | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: did any freerunner batteries ever explode btw? | 21:52 |
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| s2n | shapeshifter, thank you | 21:54 |
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| * noobmonk3y just can't be assed | 21:55 | |
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| Arif_ | to/ | 21:56 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org> | 22:04 |
| C-S-B-N900 | is that just me? | 22:04 |
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| noobmonk3y | nope | 22:05 |
| noobmonk3y | lots of peeps getting it | 22:05 |
| kaylnaris | hi! i've come here by following a link in the maemo wiki. | 22:05 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade was riding around the room on the servers earlier screaming "Gimme my 1.2 biatches" ..... | 22:06 |
| noobmonk3y | hi kaylnaris | 22:06 |
| kaylnaris | since today i havo got an n900. | 22:06 |
| noobmonk3y | wohooooooooooooooo | 22:06 |
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| noobmonk3y | enjoying it? :DF | 22:06 |
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| kaylnaris | but i think i found a bug: after synching my calendar with my old nokia e51 some entries disaqqeared | 22:07 |
| noobmonk3y | :| :| :| | 22:07 |
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| noobmonk3y | that doesnt sound good :( | 22:07 |
| noobmonk3y | can you not re-sync and select not to overwrite? - hope it re-adds? | 22:08 |
| noobmonk3y | brb 2 mins | 22:08 |
| kaylnaris | these entries are visible in the month view | 22:08 |
| kaylnaris | but not in week mode or day mode | 22:09 |
| kaylnaris | i've tried deleting the calendar and synced again, but the same entries disappeared | 22:10 |
| kaylnaris | btw i used bluetooth to sync | 22:11 |
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| puzzled | hi | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: we got a few pregnant ones due to a nasty kernel hack reenabling the MainBatteryCharger thus spoiling the basically good job PCF50633 was doing. And yes there've been very few reports of nasty hackers eploding a battery, though they probably did that by alien charging or shorting it | 22:12 |
| gxben | can someone tell me where the microsd is supposed to be mounted on maemo5/n900 ? | 22:13 |
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| puzzled | on a N900 anyone know what the applet is called with the camera and video in the dropdown when you click on the time? | 22:13 |
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| Arif_ | :huh: | 22:14 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm kaylnaris you say you can see them in monthly? | 22:15 |
| noobmonk3y | but not in daily? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | puzzled: load applet | 22:15 |
| mortal | wow, you can blow up the battery with software | 22:15 |
| kaylnaris | exactly | 22:15 |
| puzzled | gxben: in a terminal try fdisk -l | 22:15 |
| mortal | that is a nice feature | 22:15 |
| puzzled | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | mortal: nope you can't | 22:16 |
| noobmonk3y | kaylnaris, - hmmm have you searched the forums? not sure if anyone else has the prob. i dont really use the calendar much :| | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o at least it will take you 6 months of continued malicious treatment of the cell | 22:16 |
| gxben | puzzled, thx but i don't have micro sd | 22:16 |
| gxben | just need to fix my s/w to detect it | 22:16 |
| puzzled | gxben: right :) lemme check what mine says | 22:16 |
| gxben | before i can release :) | 22:16 |
| noobmonk3y | anyone know of a decent loading bar/spinner etc in pyqt? | 22:17 |
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| kaylnaris | noobmonk3y: in monthly there is a bar indicating anitem for thar day, but in daily view there is only an emty list | 22:17 |
| Shapeshifter | btw, people talk of video... I haven't found how to video record with the n900? is it supposed to be able to do that? | 22:18 |
| noobmonk3y | kaylnaris, hmmm are they all full day appointments? | 22:18 |
| noobmonk3y | Shapeshifter, think so | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: select video mode in camera | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | "A" | 22:18 |
| Shapeshifter | oh | 22:19 |
| Shapeshifter | lol | 22:19 |
| kaylnaris | rhey are yearly repeated entries like birthdays or holidays | 22:19 |
| iPeter- | Hi. I dont know is this ot in here but: is there any kb shortcut to select next input in microb | 22:19 |
| noobmonk3y | ok so they dont show up specifically at a time of day | 22:19 |
| noobmonk3y | (a bit like in outlook, they show at the top) | 22:19 |
| puzzled | gxben: overview of mounts here: http://pastebin.com/MZE3647b | 22:19 |
| noobmonk3y | might just be a setting not selected | 22:19 |
| ShadowJK | You know, we could enable charging from "dumb chargers" by telling the charging chip to charge :) | 22:19 |
| Shapeshifter | that's quite good | 22:19 |
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| gxben | puzzled, thx, has your system been customized for having so many mountpoints ? | 22:20 |
| noobmonk3y | kaylnaris, in settings is it showing all calendars.... | 22:20 |
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| noobmonk3y | wb KaylNaris2 | 22:21 |
| KaylNaris2 | oops my maemo browser crashed | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I have a slightly pregnant N810 battery :-) | 22:21 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | It's barely noticeable though | 22:21 |
| noobmonk3y | kaylnaris, in settings is it showing all calendars.... | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so what? it basically does that without anybody telling it to do so. And nokia charger *is* a dumb charger | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | swolen batteries are a really bad isea to keep using | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I mean without the D+/- shorting need | 22:21 |
| gxben | puzzled, forget about my question | 22:21 |
| noobmonk3y | kaylnaris, do they show in weekly ok? | 22:22 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I'm not using it anymore. It made bme abort() :) | 22:22 |
| KaylNaris2 | Calendar settings show three calendars: Birthday, n900 and private. All three are checked | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | d+/- shorting is for 100mA->500mA only | 22:22 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmmm....... | 22:22 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, 100 -> "unlimited" I thought? | 22:22 |
| * SpeedEvil goes to check the oven with his drying li-ions. | 22:22 | |
| KaylNaris2 | they dont show in weekly, neither | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: not afaik. bq24150 default is 500 | 22:22 |
| noobmonk3y | can you edit one of them? maybe they are set as being early appointments like 0100? - try setting them to all day? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for more you need to tell the chip it's ok, via I2C | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | it wonMt go over 500: | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:23 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, oh I get the impression that it doesn't want to do much anything if it thinks the host is alive on i2c.. | 22:23 |
| noobmonk3y | (obv you prob cant do it if they dont show in adgenda view? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'm not thru with hte ds | 22:24 |
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| dregin | hey | 22:24 |
| KaylNaris2 | they don't show in agenda view | 22:24 |
| dregin | is anyone using EGit with Eclipse? | 22:24 |
| noobmonk3y | aghhhh thats really odd | 22:24 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it seems overly complicated for no good reason :-) | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | but iirc it charges for some 32min with either 100 or - on OTG signal with 500 | 22:24 |
| KaylNaris2 | it's a little strange, it happens only for some entries | 22:24 |
| iPeter- | Hi. I dont know is this ot in here but: is there any kb shortcut to select next input in microb? | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | tab? | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: believe me there's plenty of good reason | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | I think if it detects i2c activity it goes into 32 second mode, where it needs a poke from host every 32 seconds in order to not abort and raise an error | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | (ctrl-i) | 22:25 |
| iPeter- | with imput i mean example. username then i want select pw area with kb.. how? | 22:25 |
| gxben | puzzled, thx a lot, you've been very helpful | 22:25 |
| iPeter- | SpeedEvil: what ket is tab in n900 | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | (ctrl-i) | 22:26 |
| iPeter- | key | 22:26 |
| iPeter- | okay | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno if it'd work. | 22:26 |
| iPeter- | Thanks | 22:26 |
| iPeter- | ill try | 22:26 |
| noobmonk3y | brb 1 sec, phone | 22:26 |
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| Stskeeps | so, who still has a N8x0? | 22:27 |
| iPeter- | SpeedEvil: doesnt work :/ | 22:27 |
| * javispedro waves | 22:27 | |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: silly sidenote, but MeeGo base system ran at on point on my N810 :P | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | probably still does | 22:27 |
| javispedro | I don't see why not | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | 'tis armv5tel atm | 22:28 |
| javispedro | you still could we get the binaries gang built for n810 + meego (if they're not binary compatible?) | 22:28 |
| javispedro | s/still/still think | 22:28 |
| C-S-B-N900 | do we have a guess at 1.2? | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i'm having in my idle time a project with recompiling fremantle for n8x0 | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | C-S-B-N900: Does it look better now? | 22:29 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | does what? | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | C-S-B-N900: The GPG error. | 22:29 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: very nice! | 22:30 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: lol, idle time. Do you have any? | 22:30 |
| thopiekar | hi | 22:31 |
| C-S-B-N900 | X-Fade: yeah, what happenede? | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: when waiting for qt to compile, yes | 22:31 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: quoting my own campaign (I still wonder who quoted that from my ;)), everyone finds time for tasks they like! | 22:31 |
| thopiekar | what do exspect to write at Project schedule in the student proposal formular for gsoc? | 22:31 |
| javispedro | *me | 22:31 |
| X-Fade | C-S-B-N900: The .gpg file got cached too long by some servers. | 22:31 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | X-Fade: if your were monitoring the issue, thanks | 22:32 |
| tripzero | so my screen blinks annoyingly when i'm trying to do something while in a call | 22:32 |
| KaylNaris2 | noobmonk3y: thanks for your comments! I think i'll do a little mor research | 22:32 |
| tripzero | anything i can do to fix that? | 22:32 |
| noobmonk3y | bacl | 22:32 |
| javispedro | wow, so the meego drop boots to xorg. nice. | 22:32 |
| noobmonk3y | KaylNaris2, sorry was on the phone | 22:32 |
| noobmonk3y | just looking up possible causes | 22:33 |
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| KaylNaris2 | no problem :-) | 22:33 |
| X-Fade | C-S-B-N900: yes, should not happen again. (I hope) | 22:33 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | any reason leafpads open menu is limited to mydocs? | 22:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | well KaylNaris2 ... i can;t find any bugs posted or forum posts similar to your issue..... | 22:34 |
| C-S-B-N900 | im sure i can load with arg from term, but limiting | 22:34 |
| javispedro | C-S-B: every hildon open dialog is limited to MyDocs | 22:34 |
| noobmonk3y | KaylNaris2, might be best to first post a forum post, to see if anyone knows, then possibly a bug | 22:34 |
| C-S-B-N900 | javispedro: is that because there are nteu with this phone? | 22:34 |
| KaylNaris2 | noobmonk3y: okay i'll do that. Thanks a lot! | 22:35 |
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| javispedro | nteu | 22:35 |
| javispedro | ? | 22:35 |
| C-S-B-N900 | non technical end users. | 22:35 |
| Arif_ | N900 has those? | 22:35 |
| javispedro | it has quite a few.. | 22:35 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol, im afraid | 22:35 |
| Arif_ | good to know I'm not the only one then | 22:35 |
| Arif_ | <3 | 22:35 |
| tripzero | so my screen blinks annoyingly when i'm trying to do something while in a call... anyone experiencing this as well? | 22:35 |
| javispedro | Arif_: you're here, you're a technical end user. | 22:36 |
| Arif_ | tripzero, don't put the phone in your face | 22:36 |
| javispedro | tripzero: cause: proximity sensor. diagnosis: finger over proximity sensor. | 22:36 |
| Arif_ | or keep your finger on the sensor at the top | 22:36 |
| javispedro | (or broken sensor, but you don't want that ;) ) | 22:36 |
| tripzero | ahh... | 22:36 |
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| tripzero | i was using a headset, but i may have had my finger in the wrong spot | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (sorry for long paste) At the beginning of charging process, the bq24150/1 starts a 32-minute timer (T32min) that can be stopped by any write-action performed by host through I2C interface. Once the 32-minute timer is stopped, a 32-second timer (T32sec) is automatically started. The 32-second timer can be reset by host using I2C interface. Writing "1" to | 22:37 |
| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: you got cut off | 22:37 |
| Myrtti | Writing "1" to | 22:37 |
| C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer: are you logging you findings anywhere. | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really - paste was cut there | 22:38 |
| ShadowJK | hm, so it'll charge 32 minutes independently | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: chan is logged. bq24150 datasheet is public. Nothing worth calling home | 22:38 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, also the stuff about regulation voltage | 22:38 |
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| ds3 | Okay... the N900 vs the N800 must be a zero sum game :/ | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of? | 22:39 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | n900 > n800 | 22:39 |
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| Arif_ | the N800 has better screen/speakers I heard | 22:40 |
| C-S-B-N900 | better screen? | 22:40 |
| Proteous | I heard that the n800 will make you lunch if you ask it nicely | 22:40 |
| Proteous | but it only knows how to make cheese sammiches | 22:41 |
| lbt | the N800 has a *bigger* screen... and Proteous, you know it does bacon | 22:41 |
| javispedro | and much better battery life figures | 22:41 |
| Proteous | bacon? | 22:41 |
| Proteous | my n810 doesn't do bacon | 22:41 |
| ds3 | everything... | 22:41 |
| * Proteous cries | 22:41 | |
| ds3 | the N900 has one nice feature but there is also an annoying drawback to equalize things | 22:41 |
| ShadowJK | Actually when surfing the web my N800 consumes more power than surfing web on N900 | 22:41 |
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| Proteous | surfing the web on the n800 is much more painfull due to the slow CPU | 22:42 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 22:42 |
| javispedro | yep... | 22:42 |
| ds3 | N900 - better screen; N800 - bigger screen; N900 - very very very annoying charging setup but it can directly charge from USB and so on | 22:42 |
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| javispedro | (though some say tear is faster than microb on n900 :) ) | 22:42 |
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| Proteous | wget is way faster | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | annoying charging setup? please elaborate | 22:43 |
| Proteous | was wondering about that myself | 22:43 |
| Proteous | breaking USB port maybe | 22:43 |
| otubo | Hello friends, I was wondering if there's a way to simply switch on/off the GPS on N900 (Maemo 5). | 22:43 |
| * Arif_ wonders whats annoying about plugging a cable in and waiting | 22:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 22:44 |
| Arif_ | then again, that led can get annoying if its laying next to you... | 22:44 |
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| Arif_ | :P | 22:44 |
| C-S-B-N900 | otubo: in the settings menu. | 22:44 |
| Proteous | I broke the litle tabs off of my charging cable so it slides in and out of my n900 easily | 22:44 |
| ShadowJK | N8x0 is more flexible in what power source it accepts for charging :) | 22:44 |
| ds3 | half the time it doesn't charge from USB (at least the icon doesn't animate)... and if I have a valid USB host connected to it, it gets confused rebooting | 22:44 |
| * ShadowJK should solder himself a charging cable for N900 :/ | 22:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: black sticky tape ;-P | 22:44 |
| otubo | It works perfectly when I use an app that requires GPS, but takes some time to get the signal. My idea is to start the GPS and let it on stand by, and when start the map (or whatever that needs it) the GPS is already on and synced with the satelittes | 22:45 |
| Arif_ | nowai | 22:45 |
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| Arif_ | I just turn it upside down | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: agreed | 22:45 |
| Arif_ | :D | 22:45 |
| ds3 | only work around seems to be unplug everything; wait a minute, hit power switch... let it boot and let it settle for about 5 minutes before doing any USB stuff or it just gets very confused | 22:45 |
| C-S-B-N900 | otubo you need location test | 22:45 |
| Proteous | I haven't encountered that problem | 22:45 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: I blew probally half an hour trying to rig a test to see if it can play audio, charge, and run Mapper at the same time | 22:45 |
| otubo | C-S-B-N900, where do I find it? | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | Mapper is a bit bad these days | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | Maep is better :P | 22:46 |
| ds3 | it all started with media player getting very very very confused and not playing any files | 22:46 |
| ds3 | so that led to an ordering reboot; but then the USB power charger and it went downhill from there | 22:46 |
| ds3 | Stskeeps: I was happy with Maemo-mapper | 22:47 |
| otubo | Stskeeps, Maep is a great app indeed | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | i was too, on n8x0 | 22:47 |
| Proteous | ds3, if you pug into a usb host that mounds the SD card and internal memory where you music is store then the music player gets confused... | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | now i kinda like Sygic too :P | 22:47 |
| C-S-B-N900 | otubo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37359 | 22:47 |
| otubo | I am thinking on contributing for this app, very helpfull for me | 22:47 |
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| otubo | C-S-B-N900, good, gonna take a look, thanks :-) | 22:47 |
| ds3 | Proteous: I know about that one... avoided that | 22:48 |
| Proteous | :) | 22:48 |
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| ds3 | when cable gets plugged in, I tap elsewhere to not use any USB services | 22:48 |
| Proteous | does that work? | 22:48 |
| nidO | say | 22:48 |
| ds3 | yes | 22:48 |
| nidO | howd your interview go C-S-B | 22:48 |
| ds3 | just annoying in a car since it does that each time I crank | 22:48 |
| Proteous | it askes that even with a dumb charger? | 22:49 |
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| Proteous | strange | 22:49 |
| ds3 | Proteous: no, I have a real USB host on my radio | 22:49 |
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| Proteous | ah | 22:49 |
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| ds3 | so for each feature gain, there is an irritation paired with it | 22:49 |
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| Proteous | you could make a special cable | 22:50 |
| ds3 | the 200ohm thing between D+/D-? | 22:50 |
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| Proteous | not sure of the specifics | 22:50 |
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| jacekowski | i think it's less | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | a lot less | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | 45 ohms | 22:52 |
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| ds3 | I intend to make a little adapter | 22:52 |
| madduck | how can i insert diacritics with maemo/n900? like üöä? | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | don't do it | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | chr | 22:53 |
| madduck | oh, the symbol table has a digraph | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | er, sym | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | maemo has problems with encodings i think | 22:53 |
| madduck | works fine for me so far | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | at least terminal has problems | 22:53 |
| madduck | UTF-8 all the way | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | not in terminal | 22:53 |
| madduck | even in terminal | 22:53 |
| mgedmin | busybox sh has problems with UTF-8 | 22:54 |
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| mgedmin | as in: type diacritics in the shell command line, backspace deletes bytes, not characters | 22:54 |
| mgedmin | normal apps like vim work just fine | 22:54 |
| madduck | true | 22:55 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc 0-100kohm | 22:58 |
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| nidO | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8597300.stm | 22:59 |
| nidO | thats gotta be about the biggest /facepalm ever | 22:59 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i need to solder something, need my fix. | 23:00 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i might see if i can jtag this 3rol 360 ive got. | 23:01 |
| nidO | C-S-B-N900 howd your interview go | 23:01 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | alright, it was a very aggressive interview tbh. | 23:01 |
| nidO | whad they ask you about? | 23:01 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | alot of cisco, which they knew i didnt know. | 23:02 |
| C-S-B-N900 | it was a default exam | 23:02 |
| nidO | so this company's fairly sizeable then | 23:02 |
| ds3 | has anyone measured what the resistance between D+ and D- on the Nokia charger? | 23:02 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i knew all the linux stuff and some acronyms, but some of questions werent that great. | 23:03 |
| nidO | examples? :D | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems a lot of companies think it's a great idea to put potential employees under pressure to see how they react. They'll always find a topic to make you sweat | 23:05 |
| C-S-B-N900 | something like you have an iis 5 server and iis 6 server, you have 4 sites you want to host with seperate ips that can be accessed by both http and https, what else would you need software/ hw to get this to work. | 23:05 |
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| nidO | 4 ssl certs. | 23:05 |
| C-S-B-N900 | well i thought as such, but you can self sign. | 23:06 |
| C-S-B-N900 | it would work with warnings | 23:06 |
| nidO | you can, but self signed certs on public websites are a joke | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:06 |
| C-S-B-N900 | of course, but i didnt go into it saying public? | 23:07 |
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| nidO | well, either way you still just need the 4 ssl certs, self-signed or otherwise :p | 23:07 |
| ds3 | you'd need an install CD for Ubuntu or Redhat or some other distro | 23:07 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | oh well, i want to touch more into hosting and cisco, and my cv shows i havent done that commercially. | 23:08 |
| madduck | how does one import the cacert CA into maemo? the certificate manager doesn't seem to have an import functionality | 23:08 |
| nidO | well yeah, getting more technical what you also need is the authority to fire whichever muppet's still running the iis5 system | 23:08 |
| madduck | and how can i remove CAs from that list | 23:08 |
| madduck | ? | 23:08 |
| C-S-B-N900 | they wouldnt have got me for interview. | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B-N900: how did you interview go | 23:08 |
| C-S-B-N900 | see above, ok but pressured. not a friendly interview. | 23:09 |
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| nidO | well, if that doesnt turn out ill give you a shout as and when we're looking for more tech staff :p | 23:09 |
| C-S-B-N900 | thanks nidO | 23:10 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i have a second interview for another company | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | nidO: what sort of place are you talking about? | 23:10 |
| nidO | oo, who? | 23:10 |
| nidO | jacekowski I work for a shared/vps host | 23:11 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | some german company but it seems like a wintel job with little challenge. but they want to pay me over the odds if i get it. | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | so most likely you would be looking for like a helpdesk staff | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B-N900: 1 and 1? | 23:12 |
| nidO | local network admin rather than for a host? | 23:12 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | yeah, ad, desktops, printers etc... | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B-N900: what's a company name, 1and1? | 23:13 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i cant remember, its german. | 23:13 |
| nidO | 1and1 is an actual host | 23:13 |
| nidO | if you're just looking after an office network it wont be them :P | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | that's what he said | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | or no | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | you said that | 23:13 |
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| nidO | [21:12] <C-S-B-N900> yeah, ad, desktops, printers etc... | 23:14 |
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| nidO | cant see a host recruiting someone for that kinda role really | 23:14 |
| C-S-B-N900 | its not an it company. | 23:14 |
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| jacekowski | i like to work for non it technical company | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | because there is always something new to learn | 23:15 |
| C-S-B-N900 | and they pay you to do what they dont understand. :) | 23:15 |
| Proteous | and you get to be a hero | 23:15 |
| Proteous | heh | 23:15 |
| nidO | my boss does that as it is | 23:15 |
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| jacekowski | C-S-B-N900: pretty much yeah | 23:15 |
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| Proteous | you look like a wizard when you replace a computer powersupply | 23:16 |
| Proteous | ALL THOSE WIRES!! | 23:16 |
| jacekowski | but that is sometimes a problem | 23:16 |
| jacekowski | because you end up with people that think they know more than you | 23:16 |
| jacekowski | and they always remind you that they would do it 100x better | 23:16 |
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| nidO | you also end up with people who're bemused that you cant pull micracles out of your ass | 23:16 |
| Proteous | luckly I don't have that problem | 23:16 |
| jacekowski | http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20100331/snake.gif | 23:17 |
| Proteous | nidO: that sometimes happens | 23:17 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i would prefer to linux role, but my mate did raise a good point with me. in a windows support role you get the joy of returning to your working linux system at home. what a relief. | 23:17 |
| Proteous | heh | 23:17 |
| Proteous | also there is the job security aspect | 23:17 |
| nidO | *cough*im the other way round*cough* | 23:17 |
| Proteous | windows will always need admins | 23:17 |
| Proteous | it requires constant babying | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | linux same | 23:18 |
| Proteous | not as much | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | i would disagree | 23:18 |
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| Proteous | that's fine :P | 23:18 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: your a win7 user no? | 23:18 |
| nidO | both platforms need to be properly setup and maintained to work properly | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | and there is one thing i hate in linux | 23:18 |
| nidO | C-S-B-N900: yeah my workstation's win7 | 23:18 |
| Proteous | the commandline? | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | the way how services are done | 23:18 |
| nidO | as is my fileserver/media server here | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | i mean - it's done very nicely in windows 7 | 23:18 |
| Proteous | you like the windows way better? | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | dependencies | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | delayed start | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | automatic restart | 23:19 |
| C-S-B-N900 | linux will stay up for ages only if configured right | 23:19 |
| robl^laptop | is there support for objective-c in maemo? | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | robl^laptop: yes | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | robl^laptop: kinda | 23:19 |
| nidO | C-S-B-N900: exactly the same as windows | 23:19 |
| C-S-B-N900 | o rly? | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B-N900: i have windows and linux servers | 23:19 |
| nidO | "oh it crashes really often" = dont install wank unstable drivers. | 23:19 |
| C-S-B-N900 | im of the mind that lin>win. | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | and only restarts that happen are every 3 months when we do some disaster recovery plan testing | 23:20 |
| nidO | entirely depends on usage and needs, but for pure uptime capability, theres no difference | 23:20 |
| iPeter- | with imput i mean example. username then i want select pw area with kb.. how? | 23:20 |
| nidO | properly configured = they run basically forever outside of planned reboots | 23:20 |
| iPeter- | whoops | 23:20 |
| nidO | improperly configured = crash regularly | 23:20 |
| iPeter- | Hi. I dont know is this ot in here but: is there any kb shortcut to select next input in microb? | 23:20 |
| ShadowJK | That's funny, n900 says "Charging" even if there's no power | 23:20 |
| robl^laptop | jacekowski: kinda? I'm looking to port some GNUstep apps to maemo 5. Just got an N900, and most of the SDK stuff seems to be c/C++ and python. not much mention of objective-c. any pointers? | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | robl^laptop: it's linux | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | robl^laptop: and in the end - processor supports only it's own native binary code | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | robl^laptop: and everything is up to your toolchain | 23:21 |
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| robl^laptop | jacekowski: so just a debian arm cross-compile? | 23:21 |
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| jacekowski | robl^laptop: i don't think that official maemo toolchain has obj-c compiler | 23:21 |
| C-S-B-N900 | tbh though, i just need a frigging job. | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | robl^laptop: robl^laptop but i saw one | 23:22 |
| jacekowski | but you can always build your own crosscompiler | 23:22 |
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| nidO | C-S-B-N900 are you keeping an eye on the community hangouts like the hosting forums? regular recruitment ads on em | 23:22 |
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| robl^laptop | jacekowski: ahh, ok. I'll prolly end up building a cross-compiler toolchain then, | 23:23 |
| robl^laptop | jacekowski: thanks | 23:23 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: no, im not fixed on a hosting job, but it would be a good direction for me. | 23:24 |
| nidO | C-S-B-N900: one quick example: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=937712 | 23:24 |
| nidO | they seem a pretty small outfit though so no idea whether it's actually full-time or what the salary's like | 23:24 |
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| * noobmonk3y hmmmmmmmmmms | 23:25 | |
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| nidO | http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=936466 is anotherone, theyre a bigger host | 23:25 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: cheers , what kind of wage would you think this would be? | 23:26 |
| noobmonk3y | and ukhost4u deserved to be burned | 23:26 |
| noobmonk3y | almost as bad as fasthosts | 23:26 |
| nidO | in terms of work-from-home purely tech support monkey salaries, you could be looking at anywhere from £13,000 - £25,000 depending on the level of work you're being recruited for | 23:27 |
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| nidO | if it's a bigger host looking for a pure sysadmin, maybe £18-20 upto perhaps 35k | 23:27 |
| C-S-B-N900 | thats quite low, | 23:27 |
| C-S-B-N900 | but then you do get to work at home. :) | 23:28 |
| nidO | tech support salaries do generally start low and do remember it's usually working from home, but if you're working for a bigger firm the wage will generally go up pretty steeply if you know your shit | 23:28 |
| nidO | most hosting outfits will recruit the majority of tech staff for level1 support, but if you know what you're doing you can get bumped up to level2 or 3 in not much time | 23:29 |
| * noobmonk3y can tell the difference between dog and cat crap, now thats knowing shit | 23:29 | |
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| nidO | tech support for a smaller firm as a salaried position is a pretty cushy job at the end of the day though even if the wage isnt that great | 23:30 |
| C-S-B | nidO, just dropping an email to jobs@ukhost4u.com, they are down the road from me. | 23:31 |
| C-S-B | maindenhead, | 23:31 |
| C-S-B | :) | 23:31 |
| nidO | handy. never used them myself, though obviously noobmonk3y's opinion of them's pretty low, maybe you can work to change that :p | 23:32 |
| noobmonk3y | fasthosts i've taken through court | 23:32 |
| nidO | theyre definitely a low-price bulk host though, so quality's always going to suffer | 23:32 |
| noobmonk3y | really do not touch | 23:32 |
| noobmonk3y | ukhosts at least refunded when the fecked up...... | 23:32 |
| nidO | fasthosts give the industry a bad name. | 23:32 |
| nidO | as do 1and1 | 23:32 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah....... | 23:33 |
| nidO | there are precisely 2 *big* consumer-oriented hosts who arent terribad | 23:33 |
| noobmonk3y | right i need nicotene... pyqt and threading is not simple :( | 23:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | heh. minimum font size in xterminal is brilliant | 23:33 |
| Shapeshifter | its still readable but sooooo small | 23:33 |
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| nidO | tv-out to a massive screen, and no problems :D | 23:34 |
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| dottedmag | Shapeshifter: what font do you use? | 23:36 |
| Shapeshifter | droid sans mono | 23:36 |
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| C-S-B | heres good luck to me. | 23:36 |
| C-S-B | Working from home would be the wins. | 23:37 |
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| C-S-B | right, back to the n900; see you on the other side | 23:37 |
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| dottedmag | Shapeshifter: well, minimum seems unreadable for me, though the next one (with 40 lines in fullscreen) is really legible. | 23:38 |
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| dottedmag | 4-th small size seem to form standard 80x25 or something similar. | 23:40 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah the smallest is extremely small. i basically need to stick my face to the screen | 23:40 |
| Shapeshifter | 4th is what i use | 23:40 |
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| dottedmag | Actually it's 94x25. Nice. | 23:41 |
| dottedmag | Is it possible to hide toolbar, btw? | 23:42 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | little blue box | 23:42 |
| C-S-B-N900 | with diag arrow. | 23:42 |
| C-S-B-N900 | its not blue. :P | 23:42 |
| dottedmag | I'm talking about hiding the toolbar at the bottom, with this box with diag arrow :) | 23:43 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | kill x? | 23:44 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol | 23:44 |
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| dottedmag | X? It isn't X-related, definitely client-side. | 23:44 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i know, but without x all youd have is cli. | 23:45 |
| dottedmag | hah | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think you'd have any CLI on N900 :) | 23:46 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: im worried that ill have a bump with getting into the hosting as i dont have experience in it. | 23:46 |
| noobmonk3y | C-S-B-N900, naaaa, youll be fine | 23:46 |
| noobmonk3y | just gotta accept an introduction job | 23:46 |
| noobmonk3y | helpdesking usually | 23:46 |
| dottedmag | Well, if kernel's evdev for built-in keyboard is good enough, it should be half-decent vt | 23:47 |
| nidO | well, most hosts will generally consider extensive knowledge of the control suite they use a plus, but certainly the bigger hosts will take people without it and train you up, as long as you have good general admin knowledge | 23:47 |
| nidO | and can figure your way round problems | 23:47 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | dottedmag, dunno if there's anything in the kernel by default to render text to screen :) | 23:47 |
| dottedmag | gah, no /proc/config.gz | 23:47 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i can, but i find my cv doesn't reflect my abilities. i know more than ive done commercially. | 23:47 |
| nidO | well, its a case of communicating that to your employer | 23:48 |
| C-S-B-N900 | well, i hope they get back to me. :) | 23:48 |
| nidO | just as a point, when I got the job im in now, I had no IT-related qualifications whatsoever and no previous experience actually working in the IT sector | 23:48 |
| dottedmag | ShadowJK: usually CONFIG_VT and CONFIG_CONSOLE are left enabled. And there is /dev/fb*, so it should work out-of-box | 23:49 |
| C-S-B-N900 | but i dont know cpanel etc, but doesn't mean i cant learn it when it comes to it. | 23:49 |
| nidO | I got the job based purely on the knowledge I told them I had, and my ability to demonstrate that during the interview | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | dottedmag, well there's probably a reason the maemo early init scripts use a program to put text on screen :) | 23:49 |
| C-S-B-N900 | awesome nidO | 23:49 |
| C-S-B-N900 | what did you have to demonstrate out of interest | 23:50 |
| C-S-B-N900 | at least i am fluent in english. | 23:50 |
| nidO | cpanel along with most suites is easy to pick up for a pure basic helpdesk role though, obviously the full ins and outs of adminning it are incredibly complex but a larger host will essentially just need you to be able to use it, and theyll teach you that | 23:50 |
| nidO | as long as you're a fairly quick study | 23:51 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmm menuBar.addSeparator() doesnt seem to work in pyqt....... | 23:51 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: i rule at self learning. | 23:51 |
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| nidO | take my advice though | 23:51 |
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| nidO | if you come across a host that uses h-sphere and wants you to be able to administer it | 23:51 |
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| nidO | just walk away. | 23:51 |
| C-S-B-N900 | why? | 23:52 |
| nidO | h-sphere is absolutely atrociously bad software, it's dreadful, and it's an absolute nightmare to administer | 23:52 |
| C-S-B-N900 | also, do you have a work phone or do you use your own, as well as laptop etc. | 23:52 |
| dottedmag | C-S-B-N900: once I developed Plesk migration tools, and usual task was "get some hosting panel, figure out it database structure and data placement, write script to convert everything to Plesk formats". Couple of weeks for every control panel. Once you know how does Apache / Postfix / etc work, it's quite easy. | 23:52 |
| nidO | thankfully for all those reasons, not a great deal of hosts use it. | 23:52 |
| nidO | my work's entirely online - i've made maybe 5-10 work-related phone calls in almost 7 years | 23:53 |
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| * Arif_ sneezes | 23:54 | |
| * noobmonk3y wants a new job :( | 23:54 | |
| Arif_ | sitting around got boring? | 23:54 |
| C-S-B-N900 | do you need to use your own comp nidO ? | 23:54 |
| C-S-B-N900 | noobmonk3y: what do you do? | 23:54 |
| noobmonk3y | IT advisor in the NHS, actually enjoy the job, just want a challege | 23:54 |
| nidO | yeah, for essentially any home-based tech role itll be your responsibility to sort a pc and net connection | 23:54 |
| noobmonk3y | challenge* | 23:54 |
| * C-S-B-N900 will soon stop hassling nidO | 23:55 | |
| nidO | no worries, i'm on company time for another 5 minutes | 23:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 23:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | well the hinges for my vaio will be here after a world of pain and premium calls to sony(egypt) | 23:56 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | would you believe it, when they call me, it comes up +20 | 23:57 |
| C-S-B-N900 | they dont even bother to do a local redirect to at least pretend they are down the road. | 23:57 |
| nidO | or, theyre really impressive for being honest and open about their location! | 23:58 |
| nidO | mr glass-is-half-empty. | 23:58 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol | 23:58 |
| C-S-B-N900 | the service was terrible until this chick took over. | 23:59 |
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