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| timeless_mbp | user__: fwiw, i heard rumor that there's an app coming through ovi store for a typing based launcher | 00:05 |
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| woglinde | hms | 00:15 |
| woglinde | seems diablo hasnt pushed my net-snmp build into the repos | 00:15 |
| woglinde | the logs said all build fine | 00:15 |
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| user__ | good. found an old brainstorm thread about porting an applauncher but it's dead | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | is there an app to integrate mathematical functions? | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | anything (for linux, and hopefully with a GTK UI) | 00:17 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: right, I'll pm you the links | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 00:18 |
| woglinde | seems to hang at i386 stage somehow | 00:18 |
| woglinde | will upload it again | 00:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: so now there's alarmed.py, the backend and the gui. if you want to use the CLI, run alarmed.py with -C | 00:19 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: so for example, to change the profile to general in 10 seconds, run /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py -CP General -T "general switch" -z "now + 10 seconds" | 00:20 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: cron should also work | 00:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | -c "23,35 * * 2 *" and such | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: you're aware you'll have to prepare a manpage now? ;-P | 00:21 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah ^^ I'm really short on time actually. Writing this was more fun than my assignments though ^^ Tomorrow I'll need to do some "real" work. Will get around doing a manpage, and the presets feature next week. | 00:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: oh and I wasn't able to figure out how to receive sigusr1 inside the pyside app. Will need to dig deeper for that | 00:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: and I'm not sure if the old events still work, but they *should* if I'm not mistaken | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh. That sounds like fun. might have a look into it, if I find a few free minutes | 00:24 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: oh and there's lots of bugs of course. Will need to clean up some stuff. E.g. it doesn't halt when you don't supply a time. | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I'll come up with a loong list of flaws and bugs, prepare for that ;-D | 00:27 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: good! ;) | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm gifted in triggering hidden bugs | 00:28 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: oh they're not hidden :P | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:28 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: have you downloaded all the files? because I need to overwrite them | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompl | 00:28 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: you on a slow connection? | 00:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | k | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | my ass is on a slow connection to my brain ;-P | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | grr, not in the path | 00:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: nah. the cosmetics come last ;) | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ln -s /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py /sbin/alarmed | 00:34 |
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| woglinde | hurray this time net-snmp got it | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | not made up my mind whether it should go to /bin or /usr/bin or /usr/sbin rather | 00:35 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: in this case, it should go to /usr/local/bin as it's not installed through apt and stuff | 00:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: -i was completely broken. fixed now | 00:39 |
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| C-S-B | pissed off level reaching new highs | 00:45 |
| C-S-B | After a couple of days of receiving n900 no. 2 after the original unit refused to transmit over the fmtx, I now have a flakey headphone jack | 00:46 |
| C-S-B | anyone else had this? | 00:46 |
| C-S-B | Lose a channel if i move the headphone plug a little. | 00:46 |
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| C-S-B | nidO, ? | 00:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | C-S-B: the headphone jack is not soldered to the PCB. It is a push connector, that can be unreliable. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | But generally works fine for most. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's not hte phones? | 00:50 |
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| C-S-B | not soldered? | 00:51 |
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| C-S-B | how is it affixed? | 00:51 |
| C-S-B | so not worth a return? | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a spring connector. | 00:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | It works fine for me. | 00:52 |
| C-S-B | could you elabourate? | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I personally would go to a nokia care centre. AIUI they fix it while you wait. | 00:52 |
| C-S-B | O RLY? | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mediafire.com/?ndmjylkj4wk See | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | But I've not dealt with them, it's possible I'm mistaken. | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (l1/l2 manual) | 00:53 |
| C-S-B | So if you moved your headphone around, does it dorp a channel? | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 00:53 |
| C-S-B | mmm... | 00:53 |
| C-S-B | so rather than a hw swap, get it fixed? | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The FMTX ant is also the same sort of connector | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know how it's dealt with really - I just recall mention of while-you-wait service in some places. | 00:54 |
| C-S-B | do you know which page is the headphone? | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | not off-hand | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | C-S-B, sure the jack's pushed in all of the way? | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | you've tried the supplied headset? | 00:56 |
| C-S-B | yup, pushed all the way. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe try turning your ears off and on again? | 00:58 |
| C-S-B | quite annoying as the last unit didnt do this. | 00:58 |
| C-S-B | ? My body does not have this function, not being an android (no pun). | 00:58 |
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| C-S-B | just looked at the manual, looks like the pins required pushs out when the plug is pushed in forcing a connection to the board, unless I'm mistaken? | 01:01 |
| nidO | it's something like that | 01:03 |
| nidO | go exchange and 3rd time lucky, maybe | 01:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | no - as I understand it - the connector always has the pins forced against the board | 01:03 |
| C-S-B | and if they aren | 01:04 |
| C-S-B | t | 01:04 |
| C-S-B | well then you get my issue I imagine | 01:04 |
| C-S-B | anyone else getting this? | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Nope. | 01:05 |
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| nidO | not personally, and the few people I know irl with their n900's are having no known hardware issues either | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rather - not seeing the issue | 01:05 |
| nidO | looks like you've been struk by a double dose of bad luck | 01:05 |
| C-S-B | tell me about it! | 01:05 |
| C-S-B | and no, I'm not wreckless with it. It's looked after. | 01:05 |
| nidO | go exchange again imo, at least it's just an inconvenience and not actually leaving you with an expensive paperweight | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 01:06 |
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| C-S-B | no way the headphones were forced as today was the first time I plugged in | 01:06 |
| C-S-B | so faulty from box. (im | 01:06 |
| nidO | just for the sake of testing, not that itll change anything, have you tried the tv output and see if that looks + sounds fine? | 01:07 |
| C-S-B | I'm going down with a radio and set of head phones. I'm going to test this hw out to the full extent I can while im in the store | 01:07 |
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| C-S-B | nidO, I can. Not yet however. Why though? | 01:07 |
| nidO | curiosity on my part more than anything, as I said it wont change your problem in any way | 01:08 |
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| C-S-B | why would the connection not ne soldered, that sounds like bad design... | 01:09 |
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| C-S-B | *ne=be | 01:09 |
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| nidO | its probably technically an improved design. I dont know exactly how the sprung connectors on a lot of the n900's jacks etc are designed, but a sprung connector should allow mistreatment better than a solder as itll be resistant to shocks and force against the connector | 01:10 |
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| nidO | some people have had problem with the device's phone speaker because of the sprung connector coming loose so the design might just be not as good as it should be, but dropping a phone full of soldered points = chance of them breaking off, and a soldered headphone jack will snap clean away if you jam a plug in too hard | 01:11 |
| nidO | whereas a sprung connector should be able to take a bit of abuse | 01:11 |
| SpeedEvil | plus - if you break the spring connector - it's a $2 part, not a $200 | 01:12 |
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| C-S-B | i suppose. | 01:16 |
| C-S-B | but its not successful here, I dont know who QC'd my batch.. | 01:17 |
| nidO | gotta be just shit luck, especially as the faults on each are both different | 01:17 |
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| nidO | I would say your problems arent really representative of the phone in general though so wouldnt let it put you off the phone, as the number of people reporting hardware failures is pretty tiny | 01:19 |
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| simula | this sounds like the newbiest question, but why do file permissions change when i copy a file to my n900 flash? | 01:20 |
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| simula | i'm moving a directory hierarchy from ubuntu to my n900 media | 01:21 |
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| ml-mobile | are you copying it to MyDocs? | 01:21 |
| nidO | largely depends on how you're moving it | 01:21 |
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| simula | i'm copying it to the sdcard | 01:22 |
| simula | ok nid0, i'll try it commandline | 01:22 |
| ml-mobile | is the sdcard ext2/3? | 01:23 |
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| simula | thanks ml-mobile, nope its FAT :P | 01:23 |
| ml-mobile | hah | 01:23 |
| ml-mobile | that'll do it | 01:23 |
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| simula | what would be better ext2 or 3? | 01:24 |
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| ml-mobile | I say 3 | 01:24 |
| simula | thanks ml-mobile | 01:25 |
| microlith | np | 01:25 |
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| C-S-B | looking at the service manual, it's just the sprung connection thats not tense enough in my unit, | 02:04 |
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| C-S-B | it will hold but moving it in the opposite direction will break that | 02:04 |
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| C-S-B | my headphone jack for those not in the know. | 02:05 |
| * C-S-B Has the worst luck with N900 and will be talking to Nokia QA | 02:06 | |
| MrGoose | anyone here who'd be able to answer some gsoc questions? | 02:08 |
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| dmj726_n900 | MrGoose: that would be vdvsx | 02:12 |
| dmj726_n900 | are you a student? | 02:13 |
| MrGoose | dmj726_n900: yes | 02:13 |
| dmj726_n900 | me too | 02:13 |
| MrGoose | dmj726_n900: well part time anyway. | 02:13 |
| dmj726_n900 | what are you looking to do? | 02:13 |
| MrGoose | not sure yet but I'd want to know what the proposal should contain | 02:14 |
| MrGoose | what about you? | 02:14 |
| dmj726_n900 | I have a plan to make the n900 accessible. | 02:14 |
| MrGoose | accessible? | 02:15 |
| dmj726_n900 | for blind users | 02:15 |
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| MrGoose | right! | 02:15 |
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| MrGoose | sounds like a pretty good idea. | 02:16 |
| C-S-B | espeak could be used with a script. sdout all the prompts to it. | 02:16 |
| dmj726_n900 | already made a python gui app that uses espeak | 02:16 |
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| C-S-B | Stephen Hawkins is in my phone | 02:17 |
| dmj726_n900 | people find espeak has an annoying voice | 02:17 |
| hd1 | dmj726: as opposed to what? | 02:18 |
| dmj726_n900 | festival has some more natural sounding ones | 02:18 |
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| unique_mehdi | what | 02:19 |
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| dmj726_n900 | more natural voices | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: still both issues might have a common cause. SpeedEvil mentioned the fm-tx antenna also is pring-contact (though I'm not sure about that). Anyway a spring contact obviously has to be clean to work properly. If they ghad some incident in fab causing poor cleaning of PCB after SMT reflow soldering, or whatever, or if PCB manufacturer was trying savings on the gold plating of the contact pads, you easily might see all sorts of random | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | contact issues on a whole batch | 02:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | dmj726_n900: hrm | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | also speaker | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | how precisely do you expect a blind user to interact with a touchscreen? | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | which again some people... | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | a touchscreen w/o haptic feedback | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: braille! | 02:29 |
| C-S-B | i dont like it. Im a solder man | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: where? see above :) | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: it has feedback | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: no useful haptic feedback | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | perhaps. | 02:30 |
| hd1 | timeless_mbp: you could do a viavoice type voice interface, depending on how powerful the CPU is | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | hd1: i'm not doing anything | 02:30 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: sound feedback and long click might work, somehow, as well | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | well, perhaps i'm being a devil's advocate | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | The CPU is certainly fast enough to run voice decoder. | 02:30 |
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| C-S-B | Im so tempted to dismantle the unit myself but its not worth my time. | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It's lots faster (especially counting the DSP) than 1995 or so PCs with voice recognition were. | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: again, how do you give useful feedback so that the user can interact with the touch display? | 02:31 |
| C-S-B | This issue isnt a game over. I'll swap it over when I get the time. | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: Some people use screen readers insanely fast - ~600wpm | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | C-S-B: voice recognition doesn't solve much | 02:31 |
| C-S-B | its all nice getting a new unit, 3rd one now- but moving the data over and blanking the device is a killer | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: nah, that's fairly standard | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | but again, fairly useless | 02:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'll give you a screen reader for free | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | that doesn't solve user interaction w/ a touchscreen | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: Screen reader is - slightly - trivial | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | _blind_ user | 02:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | 9 buttons on screen - quite possible - more would be challenging | 02:32 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: what about the sound feedback on touch and long click to click? | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: how is that remotely helpfu? | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: turn off your n900 | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | now close your eyes | 02:32 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: imagine a number pad | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | try to turn it on | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | what happens? | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | how many screens do you have to go through (and when) before you get to the desktop? | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | once you're at the desktop, how in the world do you interact with it? | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | how many hot areas are on your desktop? | 02:33 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: if you have your stylys touching a number, it says the number (e.g. "9"). Keep the stylus there to click. | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | mine has at least 6 | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Lynoure: also - xstroke | 02:34 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: I'm talking about just how to get touchscreen to work with a blind person, not how to get maemo5 to work with a blind person | 02:34 |
| Lynoure | The latter I don't even want to think about | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: well, that's the subject here | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj726_n900 specifically indicate gsoc for n900 | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm suggesting he's biting off more than he should try to chew | 02:35 |
| Lumpio_ | Why would you even try to make touch screens usable for a blind person | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | s/indicate/indicated/ | 02:35 |
| Lumpio_ | I mean, they can't even use the "screen" part | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | Lumpio_: i can actually argue taking the n900 hardware and making it valuable to a blind person | 02:36 |
| w00t | heh | 02:36 |
| Lynoure | Lumpio_: because there are not many phones with braille screens, maybe | 02:36 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's distinct from making the touchscreen usable w/ maemo5 | 02:36 |
| Lynoure | I hope there are some. | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I doubt it. | 02:36 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127015.700-vibrating-touch-screen-puts-braille-at-the-fingertips.html | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | For a phone, you don't need a display | 02:36 |
| Lynoure | ooh, Squibble | 02:37 |
| timeless_mbp | http://dvice.com/archives/2009/06/b-touch-cell-ph.php | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | For a smartphone, of course you do | 02:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, there seem to be a couple | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (where display = means of outputting information to the user) | 02:37 |
| Lynoure | http://www.tuvie.com/search/braille+phone | 02:37 |
| Lynoure | pity it's just a concept | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | for visualy impaired persons a touchscreen is about as useless as a telescope | 02:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | visually impaired != blind | 02:38 |
| Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: the touch part is not necessarily useless | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | they'll like a decent keyboard / keypad. preferrably a candybar formfactor | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | But for blind people, it's a touchpad only. | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 could be a good blind persons phone. | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | touchpad all the same | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | But not running stock maemo 5 | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - it would be a sucky phone. | 02:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would be good as a smartphone. | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | again, dmj726_n900 specifically said blind, not impaired | 02:40 |
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| citylights2 | need help ith start-stop-deamon | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | gsoc projects should be _reasonable_ and _achievable_ in the available time | 02:42 |
| Lynoure | one problem with the device is that the screen edges cannot be felt | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Lynoure: they could if you stuck some on. | 02:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: among many | 02:42 |
| citylights2 | I am tring to issue a second udhcpc session and use the --pidfile option , yet | 02:42 |
| Lynoure | SpeedEvil: yes | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - not that sort of felt | 02:42 |
| citylights2 | I get the error already running. | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Doing a blind phone UI is basically a completely new software stack | 02:43 |
| Lynoure | With sound feedback I think it would work. Not ideally, but I don't think there are many mobiles that work even that well. Whether that can be done within SOC, dunno. | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can't. | 02:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | fwiw, nokia's windows desktop apps manage to screw up accessibility | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | they're pretty impressive in that respect, actually | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (e.g. pc suite) | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | yes, i've used NVDA w/ pc suite | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and yes i want to strangle someone @nokia | 02:45 |
| w00t | you're in a better position to do it than most of us! :p | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | not really | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't find the right people | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i actually encountered people who were probably Board level | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and they proceeded to ignore my explanation about how they were hurting our company | 02:46 |
| w00t | just pick random people until you find the right ones, they might be a bit more helpful to point you in the right direction once killing starts too | 02:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i think one even claimed he'd have someone look into it | 02:47 |
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| citylights2 | can anyonr spare a min and tell me if this init script is wrong | 02:48 |
| citylights2 | #! /bin/sh | 02:48 |
| citylights2 | http://dpaste.com/174154/ | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | There shouldn't be a space aftwer the bang | 02:49 |
| citylights2 | SpeedEvil: where? | 02:49 |
| spliffy | in the first line | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | #!/bin/sh - not #! /bin/sh | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, yesterday a sysadmin(!) told me I *missed* this space on my script ;-P | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it doesn't matter | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | but anyway this script is truncated | 02:51 |
| spliffy | i tried it, it seems to matter | 02:51 |
| citylights2 | SpeedEvil: wrong paste - is the rest in order? | 02:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | CutMeOwnThroat: can't see hte paste | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | citylights2: | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the case isn't closed | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are obviously missing a couple of lines | 02:54 |
| citylights2 | SpeedEv /etc/init.d/udhcpc start | 02:54 |
| citylights2 | Starting Openvpn dhcp client for tap0: params: -n -i tap0 -s /etc/openvpn/udhcp.script /sbin/udhcpc already running. | 02:55 |
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| citylights2 | SpeedEvil: I fixed the first line, when I run /etc/init.d/udhcpc start | 02:55 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: some ancinent unixes refuse it without the space, linux once (or still?) had problems when the lineending used dos linebreakes \r\n .. | 02:56 |
| citylights2 | I get /sbin/udhcpc already running. | 02:56 |
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| cehteh | or maybe the other way around .. refuse with space | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | citylights2: so what? maybe it's actually already started? | 02:58 |
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| citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: ps aux |grep udhcp shows only the wlan0 session | 02:58 |
| citylights2 | btw how started the wlan0 session icd2 ? how? | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | citylights2: as I mentioned 2 times now, the case struct is missing the stop; and restart; entries | 02:59 |
| citylights2 | can I also use this mechanizem? | 02:59 |
| citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: sorry didnt see that | 02:59 |
| citylights2 | let me paste all the file | 03:00 |
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| citylights2 | http://dpaste.com/174162/ | 03:02 |
| citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: thnaks | 03:02 |
| citylights2 | thanks | 03:03 |
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| citylights2 | any idea what I did wrong? | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | line 29 the " -- " looks fishy. Just a feeling | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I'd use ${varA}foo${varB} style, rather than $varAfoo$varB | 03:12 |
| citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: to tell openvpn to run a script after connection I need to add --up script | 03:12 |
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| citylights2 | how can I use the scriot = /etc/init.d/udhcpc start ? | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I gather "--pidfile=/var/run/$NAME.$DEVICE.pid"" (line 20) is a parameter to start-stop-daemon | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | also "-n -i" | 03:14 |
| citylights2 | no, it is for udhcc to create a pid file. I also add it to the start-stop-deamon --pidfile pidfile and it seems ok now | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Take heart! | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually a syntax like "cmd -a -b -- -c" means -c is NOT a option to cmd | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Over in ##electronics, we have an iphone user. | 03:15 |
| citylights2 | what? | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Who is wondering what parts of his phone he damaged by microwaving it. | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | (but only for 3 seconds) | 03:15 |
| Arif_ | uhm | 03:15 |
| Arif_ | the whole phone maybe? | 03:15 |
| Arif_ | :D | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:15 |
| citylights2 | capacitors | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the capacitors are the only components to survive | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | *maybe* | 03:16 |
| citylights2 | they contain oil | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | err WHAT? | 03:17 |
| Arif_ | I'm sure it won't work | 03:17 |
| Arif_ | =D | 03:17 |
| * GeneralAntilles bets on the N900 over the microwave. | 03:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | lol | 03:17 |
| Arif_ | I'm not trying it out ;P | 03:17 |
| zash | GeneralAntilles: I'll bet on my trusty ol' 3310! | 03:18 |
| njsf_ | or on my trusty 6110 | 03:18 |
| njsf_ | or was it 6100 ? hmmmm | 03:19 |
| njsf_ | I get confused | 03:19 |
| njsf_ | it was over 13 years ago | 03:19 |
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| Arif_ | 6110 is 2 years old | 03:19 |
| Arif_ | or 3 | 03:19 |
| Arif_ | :D | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 14 | 03:20 |
| citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: assuming the iinit scripot works now, can you tell me how does wlan0 udhcpc is invoked? | 03:20 |
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| citylights2 | is this init script alld\ready in my N900? | 03:21 |
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| njsf_ | yeah I was wrong on both counts,... it was the 6150 | 03:22 |
| njsf_ | :) | 03:22 |
| njsf_ | the first of the 6000 series | 03:22 |
| njsf_ | bought it in 96 :D | 03:22 |
| njsf_ | Will still work in Europe and Brazil :D | 03:22 |
| njsf_ | That thing was built to last. Can't count the times it hit violently the floor and the battery cover would snap | 03:23 |
| njsf_ | yet, no damage to lcd or anything else | 03:24 |
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| njsf_ | much like my treo 650... all scratched but still working after 5 years of abuse | 03:24 |
| citylights2 | ok, assuming no one knoes the first question | 03:24 |
| citylights2 | can anyone help me with the second? | 03:24 |
| Arif_ | njsf_, playing 2 player snake over IR \o/ | 03:25 |
| citylights2 | ok ok - I promiss I will go away after tis | 03:25 |
| citylights2 | this | 03:25 |
| njsf_ | Arif_: exchanging vcards with palms over IR too :) | 03:26 |
| Arif_ | nobody had a palm here | 03:26 |
| Arif_ | ;D | 03:26 |
| njsf_ | citylights2: what init are you speaking? the init for boot of N900 ? | 03:27 |
| citylights2 | njsf_ : my first question was about what program causes udhcpc to start for wlan0 connection, is it icd2 ? | 03:28 |
| citylights2 | second scripting question: I can tell openvpn to run a script by --up script | 03:30 |
| citylights2 | but i want the script to have one space so it will run /etc/init.d/udhcpc start = ow? | 03:30 |
| citylights2 | how? | 03:30 |
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| njsf_ | citylights2: I suspect wlancond | 03:37 |
| njsf_ | but you can start manually by /etc/init.d/udhcpd start | 03:37 |
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| citylights2 | ls: /etc/init.d/udhcpd: No such file or directory | 03:40 |
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| njsf_ | weird, I have it there | 03:43 |
| citylights2 | please post it | 03:43 |
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| citylights2 | FINNALY it works | 03:45 |
| citylights2 | well still not totally automatic | 03:46 |
| njsf_ | still want it? | 03:47 |
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| citylights2 | njsf_: yes please | 03:47 |
| njsf_ | http://pastebin.org/119071 | 03:48 |
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| citylights2 | njsf_:thnaks mate | 03:51 |
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| njsf_ | np | 03:52 |
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| citylights2 | njsf_: how to fix the space issue? | 03:56 |
| citylights2 | I mean --up "/etc/init.d/udhcpc start" works | 03:56 |
| njsf_ | not sure I understand your issue | 03:58 |
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| citylights2 | in /etc/default/openvpn I need to pass all arguments to openvpn | 03:59 |
| citylights2 | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up /etc/init.d/udhcpc start" | 03:59 |
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| citylights2 | but openvpn complains that I need to put the /etc/init.d/udhcpc start in "" | 04:00 |
| citylights2 | how? | 04:00 |
| njsf_ | OPTARGS='--script-security 2 --up /etc/init.d/udhcpc start"' | 04:01 |
| njsf_ | notice the single quote at start and end | 04:01 |
| njsf_ | since you are not doing var expansion in there it will be ok | 04:01 |
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| citylights2 | start"' ? | 04:01 |
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| njsf_ | also note | 04:02 |
| njsf_ | OPTARGS=' | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS='--script-security 2 --up "/etc/init.d/udhcpc start"' | 04:03 |
| njsf_ | yep | 04:03 |
| citylights2 | I mean I read about the diffrence with " and ' | 04:03 |
| citylights2 | ok thanks mate | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | or | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up '/etc/init.d/udhcpc start'" | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up \"/etc/init.d/udhcpc start\"" | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should also work | 04:05 |
| citylights2 | last option looks cool | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the orthodox one | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | but depending how often you pass it thru the shell parser, you might need multiple \ | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | like | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up \\\"/etc/init.d/udhcpc start\\\"" | 04:07 |
| citylights2 | working on it | 04:11 |
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| njsf_ | ence why I recommended the single quote approach :D | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, but it terribly fails with expansion | 04:15 |
| citylights2 | but I need OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up \\"/etc/init.d/udhcpc start" --down "/etc/init.d/udhcpc stop\\"" | 04:15 |
| citylights2 | damn | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wn't work | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up '/etc/init.d/udhcpc start' --down '/etc/init.d/udhcpc stop'" | 04:19 |
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| citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 04:19 |
| citylights2 | /etc/default/openvpn: line 19: syntax error: Unterminated quoted string | 04:23 |
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| citylights2 | sorry | 04:24 |
| citylights2 | the --up directive should have at most 1 parameter. To pass a list of arguments | 04:25 |
| citylights2 | as one of the parameters, try enclosing them in double quotes ("") | 04:25 |
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| citylights2 | well good night | 04:34 |
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| simula | does anyone know where LSB wants me to install the libs that my app depends on? | 05:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usr/lib/ ? | 05:24 |
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| simula | thanks DocScrutinizer. it looks like the recommendations aren't finalized yet... http://proton.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html | 05:33 |
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| njsf_ | simula, AFAIK for maemo they are recommending optification in order to avoid filling up / | 05:37 |
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| infobot | -sjansen | 05:37 |
| simula | njsf_, that is the lsb folks recommendations too... to have a shell script call your actual app and move the libs to /opt/foo/lib | 05:37 |
| njsf_ | are the libs specific to your app ? | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | njsf_: that doesn't mean the app could reference the libs via /home/opt | 05:38 |
| njsf_ | if not maybe it is better to have another package for the libs and put that package as dependency | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you still need a symlink from correct location to actual location | 05:38 |
| simula | njsf_, my app depends on Qt 4.6 and i'm trying to figure how to get those libs into most debian distros a couple years early :) i shouldn't have to worry about that with maemo though | 05:39 |
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| njsf_ | My vote would go to package the libs separately and make it a dependency | 05:40 |
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| simula | sounds about right njsf_, i'll do it that way | 05:41 |
| njsf_ | that way you can always depend on ld.so.conf to make the right thing on the distro | 05:42 |
| * C-S-B has flashed his 2nd n900 to factory default in prep for unit no. 3 | 05:45 | |
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| Andrewfblack | konttori, Ping | 05:46 |
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| njsf_ | Andrewfblack: icmp timeout :) | 05:49 |
| Andrewfblack | everyone I was wanting to talk to is asleep :) | 05:50 |
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| TheMidnightCoder | hello everyone | 06:04 |
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| TheMidnightCoder | Does anyone out there use/have a Motorola DROID? | 06:04 |
| TheMidnightCoder | If so, what are some apps that you consider to be "must haves"? | 06:04 |
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| ptl | 01:04 <TheMidnightCoder> Does anyone out there use/have a Motorola DROID? | If so, what are some apps that you consider to be "must haves"? | 06:28 |
| ptl | oh boy. | 06:28 |
| ptl | what a notion. | 06:28 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:03 |
| RST38h | mourning Jaffa | 10:04 |
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| PARAG | Hi, do you know anybody in the room who can help me signing one symbian application .....ready to donate some money.........urgent :) ...thanks | 10:22 |
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| RST38h | No, we do not know anybody in this "room" who can help you signing a symbian application | 10:25 |
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| MiXu-_ | Any news on turn-by-turn navigation for N900 Ovi Maps? I see Sygic has released it's software. | 10:28 |
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| MiXu-_ | And I'm wondering if I should buy, or just wait for Ovi Maps to get better. | 10:29 |
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| RST38h | Don't hold your breath | 10:32 |
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| MiXu- | Disappointing :P | 10:41 |
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| * RST38h fixed the power drain in FBReader | 11:35 | |
| ShadowJK | What was it doing wrong? | 11:36 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 11:37 |
| Corsac | does anyone has an idea how the thumbnailers work? (like, how to make them download stuff eventually)? | 11:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 1s update loop IIRC | 11:37 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Updating clock display once a second | 11:38 |
| Corsac | like the google-album-art-downloader | 11:39 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 11:39 |
| Corsac | there's a dbus service but I'm not sure who's supposed to run it | 11:39 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: changed to 60secs, the side effect of this will be the clock being off by 30sec on the average | 11:39 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: I hope this will not be such a big deal though :) | 11:39 |
| Corsac | RST38h: what you can do is to go by the second until the first minute change and then switch to 60s interval | 11:40 |
| ShadowJK | Well you could set a wakeup for next time()%60 or something :) | 11:40 |
| Corsac | (though it might not be that useful in the end) | 11:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Personally, I'd find it slightly handy | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | switching between rpm and deb screws with my head - what was the command in debian for adding something to changelog? | 11:41 |
| Corsac | vi debian/changelog ? | 11:41 |
| Corsac | dch ? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 11:42 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: pico? | 11:42 |
| TomaszD | good day | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i hate making dates myself | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:43 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: well, it is not designed for that, the period is setup when the time updater is created | 11:43 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: copy&paste from the previous record in changes :) | 11:43 |
| * RST38h wonders if pupnik or someone else who delat with pcsx is around | 11:44 | |
| RST38h | Need to figure out where I get "plugins" | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | Any other complaints about FBReader that I can easily fix before pushing this update? | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: the default page pressure? | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | click pressure | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | for at least me - it diddn't used to page reliably when you touch the screen | 11:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | (till I reset the pressures) | 11:56 |
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| Stskeeps | TomaszD: what was the url of that article you showed me the other day? | 11:59 |
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| RST38h | Ah the pressure... | 12:00 |
| RST38h | It is much, MUCH more complicated than just the pressure... | 12:00 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, no idea, wait | 12:00 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes. I don't care. I reset the thresholds, and it 'just works'. | 12:00 |
| RST38h | But yes, I should at least disable "giner touch only" paging | 12:00 |
| RST38h | finger | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Because there is no finger touch on N900 | 12:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | personally, I would also disable the scrollbar from moving the position in the doc | 12:01 |
| SpeedEvil | but that's a preference | 12:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I have 0 and 6 set - and it works | 12:02 |
| SpeedEvil | (fm) | 12:02 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, can't find it, maybe there's a log? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Scroll indicators on the preference list could be larger - but that's minor | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: ah, found it | 12:03 |
| TomaszD | k | 12:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Only other substantive issue is the button to exit fullscreen mode makes it impossible to read in some orientations | 12:06 |
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| cityOfLights | hi all | 12:08 |
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| cityOfLights | I need help with issuing udhcpu after openvpn | 12:10 |
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| cityOfLights | I added sleep before issuing the udhcp command - yet the sleep is not obaied | 12:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: did you notice anything else? if not, I'll release what is done. | 12:31 |
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| cityOfLights | hi all | 12:38 |
| cityOfLights | why doent my N900 obay sleep 15 in a script? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | as in it might sleep longer? | 12:39 |
| cityOfLights | http://pastebin.com/9xrkk68b | 12:39 |
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| cityOfLights | I mean it just issues the next line :start-stop-deamon | 12:39 |
| cityOfLights | in my pastebin you see that it issues udhcpc imidiatly | 12:41 |
| cityOfLights | but I put a sleep 15 line before it | 12:41 |
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| Lumpio_ | I don't see a sleep in your paste | 12:42 |
| Lumpio_ | Where's the code | 12:42 |
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| cityOfLights | http://pastebin.com/d2CiemGK | 12:43 |
| cityOfLights | that is my script | 12:43 |
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| cityOfLights | Lumpio_: am I right? | 12:47 |
| Lumpio_ | I guess it should sleep | 12:48 |
| cityOfLights | haha | 12:52 |
| Terje1 | cityOfLights, what makes you think it doesn't sleep? | 12:52 |
| cityOfLights | so when I issue openvpn start , then issue udhcpc start it works fine | 12:53 |
| cityOfLights | but I want to automate it | 12:53 |
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| cityOfLights | Terje1: I am looking at tail -f /var/log/openvpn.log and it doensnt sleep 15 as I see | 12:55 |
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| Terje1 | cityOfLights, well, according to the log you posted it's impossible to say. It doesn't log a time stamp for line before and after sleep. | 12:56 |
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| cityOfLights | Terje1: ok I will add that to th script | 13:05 |
| cityOfLights | at nokia | 13:05 |
| cityOfLights | taking battary out | 13:05 |
| cityOfLights | brb | 13:05 |
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| jonaskoelker | Hi all. media player says it has 0 songs; it used tp have 1k. when i load a playlist of songs that used to be there, the songs play just fine... | 13:11 |
| jonaskoelker | how do i make the media player rescan the .sounds folder? | 13:11 |
| Corsac | hmhm, is there no syslog running? | 13:12 |
| Corsac | jonaskoelker: istr something with tracker -r but I'm not sure | 13:12 |
| Corsac | that may give you a pointer though | 13:12 |
| jonaskoelker | also, when playing the playlist, all songs are named "Information not available" | 13:12 |
| lcuk | jonaskoelker, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36145 | 13:13 |
| lcuk | sounds about right | 13:13 |
| Corsac | (in fact i'd like more something like auth.log, so I can know why is ssh refusing my key when logging in as user | 13:14 |
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| jonaskoelker | Thanks, I'm looking into that thread | 13:16 |
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| jonaskoelker | GNOME software: now with extra smart, and 100% free of technical details (some documentation required) | 13:18 |
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| jonaskoelker | lcuk: you a tracker expert? | 13:20 |
| jonaskoelker | how might I have hosed the db? | 13:20 |
| lcuk | jonaskoelker, no, i just know how to google :) | 13:21 |
| jonaskoelker | ah :) | 13:21 |
| arachnist | GNOME software: now treating you like a moron, that doesn't know what he wants | 13:21 |
| jonaskoelker | I ought to take a class in that some day :D | 13:21 |
| jonaskoelker | arachnist: so true... | 13:22 |
| jonaskoelker | btw, is there a pod catcher that'll tun in cron and just pop up "got a new thing for you" once in a while? | 13:23 |
| Wolfie | my phone is stuck in portrait mode... how can i reset that, since the ui doesn't work all that well that way | 13:23 |
| Wolfie | ...although surprisingly well | 13:24 |
| technomike | n900 is simply amazing | 13:24 |
| haltdef | should be able to order mine on friday :> | 13:25 |
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| jonaskoelker | N900 ftw :) | 13:25 |
| ptl | n900 is meant to be a revolution. Hope the market's 'invisible hand' does not make the revolution fail. | 13:25 |
| ptl | market forces are disgusting. | 13:25 |
| * haltdef sighs at keyboardless devices | 13:26 | |
| haltdef | thought it was a stupid fad that'd go away quickly | 13:26 |
| haltdef | it hasn't :( | 13:26 |
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| jonaskoelker | ptl: I think market forces are awesome, it's just the participants and their (mostly) stupid petty wants that disgust me | 13:27 |
| Wolfie | so, any ideas, other than booting? | 13:27 |
| ptl | jonaskoelker: if communism worked, I'd prefer that. | 13:27 |
| jonaskoelker | Wolfie: smack up the X server? | 13:27 |
| ptl | well. No, maybe not. | 13:27 |
| Wolfie | oh well, i booted already | 13:28 |
| jonaskoelker | wolfie: oh well... | 13:28 |
| jonaskoelker | reboot was fixy-fixy? | 13:29 |
| Wolfie | yeah | 13:29 |
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| ShadowJK | hm... file manager no longer knows how to fsck? | 13:41 |
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| lcuk | gah my hard drive is churning like a beast | 13:49 |
| lcuk | scheduled scan (which starts at 5am) was still going | 13:50 |
| noobmonk3y | ouch! | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | strange, it found noobmonk3y_w32.exe | 13:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | hahaha | 13:55 |
| noobmonk3y | thank god it wasn't noobmonkey.jpg i say | 13:55 |
| lcuk | indeed that would crack my display :p | 13:56 |
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| noobmonk3y | right bbbiab | 13:57 |
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| user_ | ok so the sleep is ran. but it still doesnt work | 14:02 |
| user_ | can anyone suggest why it works when running manually and not when in script? | 14:03 |
| lcuk | user_, i dunno missed the rest if there was some | 14:04 |
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| citylights2 | lcuk: hi there | 14:05 |
| citylights2 | I am seeking the pastebin | 14:05 |
| citylights2 | issue is simple | 14:05 |
| * aSIMULAtor waves | 14:06 | |
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| citylights2 | after I run openvpn I get tap0 | 14:07 |
| lcuk | oh hai aSIMULAtor | 14:07 |
| citylights2 | I then issue a dhcp client to ask for an IP addr | 14:07 |
| * lcuk waves frantically | 14:07 | |
| aSIMULAtor | omygash hihihi | 14:07 |
| aSIMULAtor | !!!!!!!! | 14:07 |
| lcuk | how are you doing | 14:08 |
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| aSIMULAtor | i'm good, decided to sit down andcheck out what's going on in here :) | 14:08 |
| aSIMULAtor | how are you? | 14:08 |
| lcuk | tired! been working flat out | 14:08 |
| lcuk | you been busy? | 14:09 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm not surprised you're tired :) | 14:09 |
| aSIMULAtor | well, not as much as before hehe | 14:09 |
| citylights2 | hmm. ok tell when | 14:09 |
| * lcuk should hopefully have time to breath very soon and prepare some things | 14:09 | |
| aSIMULAtor | in a couple of weeks? | 14:10 |
| lcuk | theres rumours around of me travelling your way | 14:10 |
| lcuk | yeah hopefully | 14:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | cool have to meet up for sure then | 14:10 |
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| lcuk | has the snow melted yet | 14:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | ugh no | 14:11 |
| lcuk | or do i need to hire a boat! | 14:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | they dont' think the snow will melt even int eh summer | 14:11 |
| lcuk | arg lol | 14:11 |
| lcuk | yeah theres a lot over there | 14:11 |
| lcuk | another 10cm last week or something? | 14:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | ijust got my finnish license | 14:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | so when you come i can pick u up from where you're at and we can go around | 14:11 |
| lcuk | driving? or skiing? | 14:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | driving | 14:12 |
| lcuk | o_O :D | 14:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | funnily enough, the guy who tested me was talking about his n900 | 14:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | during the whole test lol | 14:12 |
| lcuk | bet thats harder to get than a uk/us license with the different conditions | 14:12 |
| lcuk | hah | 14:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | i traded my cali license for the finnish one..but still had to take the test since i didn't exchange it 8 months after i first moved here | 14:12 |
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| aSIMULAtor | good thing about it, lasts 50 years | 14:13 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 14:13 |
| lcuk | thats good | 14:13 |
| lcuk | btw, you need to add yourself (and work ppl) to pininthemap.com/maemo | 14:13 |
| aSIMULAtor | k addin | 14:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | g | 14:15 |
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| lcuk | citylights2 wheres the script you are running thats ignoring the sleep | 14:19 |
| citylights2 | luck: pls look at http://pastebin.com/JYtnj410 | 14:19 |
| citylights2 | i told openvpn to run this script: udhcpc with start | 14:20 |
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| citylights2 | I used --up "/etc/init.d/udhcpc start" | 14:21 |
| citylights2 | it doesnt get an IP address and keeps printing: | 14:21 |
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| citylights2 | Sending discover... | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | citylights2, thats a bit odd then | 14:23 |
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| citylights2 | as soon as I run udhcpc stop . then start - all works | 14:24 |
| citylights2 | ODD | 14:24 |
| citylights2 | why? | 14:24 |
| citylights2 | isnt the sleep long? | 14:24 |
| lcuk | cos its not workiung | 14:25 |
| citylights2 | ending discover... | 14:25 |
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| citylights2 | sending discover... | 14:25 |
| citylights2 | Sending select for 192.168.14.73... | 14:25 |
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| citylights2 | what is bigging udhcpc then? | 14:26 |
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| citylights2 | s/bigging/bugging | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | citylights2, ? i havent much experience with all the startup stuff (yet) but is there a chance this is occuring before your net is up? | 14:29 |
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| lcuk | and failing before it gets to the sleep | 14:29 |
| lcuk | try adding logging to the script | 14:29 |
| lcuk | echo "blah" >>/var/log/test.log | 14:30 |
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| citylights2 | luck: no way. net is up | 14:31 |
| citylights2 | I can test it | 14:31 |
| lcuk | ok just suggesting things | 14:31 |
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| citylights2 | thanks | 14:31 |
| citylights2 | min pls | 14:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: moo. No further tests been done. Looks good | 14:37 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah I uploaded it to extras-devel, it's there | 14:37 |
| wazd | hello people :) | 14:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: so 1) coffe 2) update ;-D | 14:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | lol, updatedb is so utterly broken. I wonder why it's even in the repo. | 14:49 |
| Shapeshifter | /usr/bin/gnu/updatedb: line 363: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sort: not found | 14:49 |
| Shapeshifter | did he even test it even once? meh. | 14:49 |
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| xeor | Anyone got firefox/fennoc with weave to work with a custom server? I cant find a box to enter my "secret" encryption key.. | 14:51 |
| Shapeshifter | maemo has neither fam or gamin, right? how does it monitor changes to files? | 14:54 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, inotify | 14:56 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: thanks | 14:57 |
| * lcuk watches movies | 14:58 | |
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| ptl | trololo song is incredible. | 15:05 |
| ptl | someone should make a trololo theme for the N900. | 15:05 |
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| xeor | noone using weave here on the n900? | 15:10 |
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| Arif_ | :yawn: | 15:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | wtf my n900 doesn't wake up from sleep | 15:16 |
| Arif_ | winter sleep? | 15:17 |
| Shapeshifter | got an email, light is blinking, but doesn't react if I open it or press the unlock button | 15:17 |
| Shapeshifter | ah side button worked | 15:17 |
| Shapeshifter | the other two didn't | 15:17 |
| Shapeshifter | :o | 15:17 |
| Arif_ | I always use the slide thingy on the side | 15:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | I never use it | 15:18 |
| Arif_ | its easier then pressing hte power button and then sliding th escreen | 15:18 |
| Shapeshifter | Arif_: just sliding the screen doesn't need the button | 15:19 |
| Arif_ | you need to press the power button once, don't you :P | 15:19 |
| Shapeshifter | no | 15:20 |
| Arif_ | just sliding the screen when its locked doesn't work... | 15:20 |
| Shapeshifter | yes | 15:20 |
| Shapeshifter | it does | 15:20 |
| Shapeshifter | at least here >.> | 15:20 |
| Shapeshifter | maybe its a setting | 15:20 |
| * Arif_ puts his finger somewhere int he middle of the screen and slides it to the right | 15:21 | |
| Arif_ | aww | 15:21 |
| Arif_ | nothing happened :( | 15:21 |
| Shapeshifter | no, I mean opening the keyboard | 15:21 |
| Shapeshifter | "sliding" it open | 15:21 |
| Arif_ | oh | 15:21 |
| Arif_ | yeah that works too | 15:21 |
| Arif_ | I never use the keyboard though | 15:21 |
| Shapeshifter | oha | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: inotify?? 8-D | 15:21 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah lcuk told me :) | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I smell another cool feature | 15:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: nah. I want to apply for gsoc ^^ And I'm thinking about writing the desktop search thing. | 15:22 |
| Shapeshifter | so I'm thinking about ways to do it. but inotify doesn't work in this case. | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it'd work perfectly for the concurrent-access-to ~/.config/alarmed problem though | 15:23 |
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| mortal | how do I use the personal menu app on n800? | 15:25 |
| mortal | I installed it but I do not see anything | 15:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: oh you're totally right! I didn't even think of that :D | 15:27 |
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| mortal | is 5.2008.43-7 the latest for n800 | 15:33 |
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| ShadowJK | yes, sounds right | 15:41 |
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| disco_stu | hi | 16:00 |
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| FIQ | yay alsa floating point exception | 16:17 |
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| mtd | is there a way to cause the screen (vague term) to rotate from the command line? (n900/maemo5) | 16:19 |
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| Arif_ | I wish | 16:20 |
| FIQ | nvm | 16:20 |
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| joker_89 | hi | 16:21 |
| joker_89 | anyone use syncml? | 16:21 |
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| MohammadAG | E: Handler silently failed | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia crippled apt? | 16:23 |
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| zash | How's jingle+video on n900? | 16:27 |
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| Arif_ | MohammadAG, silently ? :D | 16:32 |
| * noobmonk3y prods lcuk | 16:32 | |
| lcuk | yo noobster | 16:33 |
| lcuk | you sober now? | 16:33 |
| noobmonk3y | hey hey i have another QT query :D | 16:33 |
| noobmonk3y | kinda | 16:33 |
| noobmonk3y | feel a little tender | 16:33 |
| * lcuk is trying to think about code also | 16:33 | |
| noobmonk3y | on listWidget can you set the height on each row to autosize? | 16:33 |
| lcuk | i dunno, #qt-maemo is thata way >> | 16:34 |
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| marcus_ | Hola | 16:35 |
| noobmonk3y | me qt-maemo is silent :( | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, ... | 16:35 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, you dont exactly have much patience :) | 16:35 |
| lcuk | why not scour the extremely complete qt documentation on the class | 16:36 |
| Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: why not ask #qt | 16:36 |
| Shapeshifter | lots of people in there | 16:36 |
| lcuk | lots of people in here too lol | 16:36 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah sure :P | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | SouBE, apt can't install any apps from ovi | 16:36 |
| Shapeshifter | but many qt devs hang out over there. | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | thinking about decrippling apt | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | by building it from the debian source | 16:37 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk - patience with a hangover? | 16:38 |
| noobmonk3y | lols | 16:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | allthough i come in these places, so i dont have to wait a week on the forums lol | 16:38 |
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| pronto | how do i change the password for when i ssh to the phone? | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | become root | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | passwd root | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | passwd user | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | whichever you ssh in as | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | don't use password | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | set up an ssh key and use it | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | I purge ssh and reinstall it | 16:44 |
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| mortal | is it possible to install big games on the sd cards | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | No | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | Unless you format it into ext3 and move the files AFTER installation, then symlinking them | 16:49 |
| lcuk | it should be possible to setup a custom installer/launcher to do that | 16:49 |
| lcuk | doesnt the pandora have something similar | 16:49 |
| lcuk | not just for big games, for anything | 16:50 |
| lcuk | seems like a reasonable idea to me :) | 16:50 |
| rdorsch | Has anybody navit running on the n900 reliably? | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, seriously thinking about installing maemo on the 32GB partition | 16:50 |
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| MohammadAG | restoring apps using apt-get, screw HAM | 16:51 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, good for you :) share the notes and changes and watch out for /opt strangeness | 16:51 |
| lcuk | why screw it? | 16:51 |
| lcuk | it integrates with backup | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | installing all packages AFTER downloading them | 16:51 |
| lcuk | which is a benefit to most people | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | extracted the package names from the backup | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | /media/mmc1/backups/Backup/Root/var/lib/hilleafpadlication-manager# | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | downloading one package and installing it then doing the same for other packages is slow | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | apt downloads all packages then installs them | 16:53 |
| lcuk | meh not really worth breaking the gui for it ;) | 16:53 |
| lcuk | but academic for yourself sure | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | didn't break the GUI | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | i just didn't use it :) | 16:54 |
| lcuk | yeah but most people do | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, /opt should behave correctly | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | if the whole root was moved to the 32GB partition | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | if it's symlinked (/home/opt) it shouldn't really matter since it's sharing the same space | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | so where would you point people wanting to start with qt and maemo? | 16:57 |
| lcuk | shouldnt you be the one to tell us? | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to stop hildon-desktop? | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Most of the core apps have watchdogs | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i have holes in my knowledge too :P | 16:59 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i was just playing with some of the examples in qt | 17:02 |
| lcuk | seeing what works and what doesnt | 17:02 |
| lcuk | and how well they work mostly | 17:02 |
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| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, actually, dsmetool stops those core apps | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | problem is, there's no way to switch apps | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lies, I switched off the device | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | so much boiler plate in all the frameworks | 17:08 |
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| mortal | where can I find the personal menu | 17:09 |
| RST38h | in SOME not in all | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, yeah for some levels of things its lightweight | 17:09 |
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| * lcuk will have to make another generator for the stuff i use lots of | 17:10 | |
| spliffy | any idea why the package cmt-firware-rx51 could land in a device? apt-cache show says "Do not put this in final products!!" | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: stop dbus actually made my device reboot ;-P | 17:10 |
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| spliffy | it is an alternative cellular firmware that sends sms on crashes | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | HEH,gimmegimmegimme X-P | 17:11 |
| spliffy | i wonder which dependency pulled it in | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sounds freakin interesting | 17:12 |
| RST38h | generators are evil btw | 17:13 |
| C-S-B | hey guys, n900 number 3 and I think we are all systems go! | 17:13 |
| Corsac | spliffy: update your maemo version | 17:13 |
| lcuk | of course RST38h | 17:13 |
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| Corsac | spliffy: this is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7757 | 17:13 |
| povbot | Bug 7757: wrong cmt-firmware-rx51 (cell modem) version in published firmware? | 17:13 |
| spliffy | oh, i see | 17:13 |
| lcuk | i make personal ones tied to me | 17:13 |
| C-S-B | nidO, DocScrutinizer ^ | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: \o/ | 17:14 |
| C-S-B | 3rd time lucky they say lol! | 17:14 |
| spliffy | Corsac: thanks :P it caught my attention when i issued an "apt-get dist-upgrade" | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: you checked the serial# of those 3 devices? | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | spliffy: the authorities are obviously out to get you | 17:14 |
| C-S-B | DocScrutinizer, anywhere that needs my scrutiny in checking before I get too happy? | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: not that I'm aware of | 17:15 |
| Shapeshifter | whoa what happened!? I just opened xterm on the n900 and while it was opening, there were LSD-trip-like colors on the screen >.> | 17:15 |
| C-S-B | I dont have the serial of the last two to hand. | 17:15 |
| spliffy | hehe | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: change your dealer ;-P | 17:15 |
| C-S-B | DocScrutinizer, I may have the first unit serial stuck in a cookie, and the last init on the back of this box | 17:15 |
| lcuk | lol DocScrutinizer | 17:16 |
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| spliffy | i wonder who pays for the sms? | 17:17 |
| RST38h | you do | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | thats no question | 17:18 |
| spliffy | yeah, dumb question | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you do | 17:18 |
| spliffy | grml... not nice.. that doesn't help building trust. but ... *sigh* we are all humans | 17:19 |
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| RST38h | what trust? | 17:19 |
| spliffy | i believe | 17:19 |
| spliffy | trust in the os and it's manufacturer | 17:19 |
| marcus_ | n900 supports GTK2, right? | 17:19 |
| Corsac | yes | 17:19 |
| spliffy | i have to trust it | 17:19 |
| RST38h | no you do not | 17:20 |
| spliffy | with all that data on it and all the possibilies | 17:20 |
| marcus_ | so technically, you could make all linux open source games (if they are gtk) to n900? | 17:20 |
| spliffy | i do | 17:20 |
| spliffy | if i want to use it | 17:20 |
| C-S-B | DocScrutinizer, i got a pretty vague reply with odd grammar to an email I sent to the nokia care team | 17:20 |
| C-S-B | in case you care... | 17:20 |
| C-S-B | anyhow I'm off for the min guys, its the cats birthday. | 17:20 |
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| ptl | does fring support skype videocalls? | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: of course I care | 17:22 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: damn some people can't run the new alarmed >.> that is so weird. I always test, and it works here but stuff doesn't work for them | 17:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh wait | 17:23 |
| Shapeshifter | I know why | 17:23 |
| Shapeshifter | xD | 17:23 |
| Shapeshifter | crap. | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: what means "can't run"? | 17:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: meh, I changed something in the job file format and now it complains that it can't find a field when loading existing events. | 17:25 |
| * Shapeshifter goes fixing. | 17:25 | |
| Shapeshifter | the issue. | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fix is 'rm .config' XP | 17:25 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I'll just make it backwards compatible | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | largely considered overkill for apps in devel | 17:26 |
| Shapeshifter | mhhh | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp for highly dynamic data like alarm database | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | bloats code for no good reason | 17:27 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mh you're right. But this _does_ tell me that I need to except this stuff in a more sane way. Pretty lame that it just doesn't start when a job file is "corrupt". | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's true anyway | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems you need to make using "try" a custom | 17:30 |
| Shapeshifter | sure | 17:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer drools over "date string" and "cron string" even showing up in GUI \o/ | 17:31 | |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well why not ;) | 17:32 |
| joker_89 | anyone knows mooha? | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I'd strongly suggest to replace the annoying scroll-list for selecting type of action / type of period by a screen with 6 * 3 buttons | 17:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah I guess I should do that. It's just a QCombobox from Qt, and a combobox does behave in this way. If I make a widget with buttons I need to place them myself and stuff | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: yep, it's more work of course | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: but usability is classes apart from these friggin lists | 17:36 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah | 17:37 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: dude on tmo said: "Installed, it doesn't start...even after a device reboot..." | 17:37 |
| Shapeshifter | oh so often people seem to think that this is windows ;) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I *love* it. | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 17:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer got the problem how to follow new posts on tmo ... ;-( | 17:38 | |
| Shapeshifter | man I really need to get some work done. 4pm already again >.< | 17:38 |
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| * DocScrutinizer is fed up to hit the F5 refresh on 50++ tabs/windows in browser - after few as 5 days | 17:39 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | forum definitely doesn't meet my working patterns | 17:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I don't follow them. I have a daily digest for "my" thread, other then that I occasionally look into the new-posts list but it's 90% rubbish anyway. | 17:40 |
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| MohammadAG | what's segmentation fault? | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're kidding? | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | i wouldn't be asking if i was :) | 17:41 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: the app wanted to grab cookies from a jar that wasn't there and died of sorrow. | 17:41 |
| nsuffys | breaking binarie due to pb during compilation | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: usually some non-initialized pointer tries to dereference a memory location not in the address space of the app | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | personalisation_app outputs it | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the memory allocation table of the app doesn't hold any entry for the address of the pointer, so the memory management unit rises an interrupt alarming kernel the app is acting nasty -> SIGSEGV | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: usually caused by logical coding errors | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart app programmer | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 17:46 |
| C-S-B | Right who wants to advise me of the best way to put a build environment for my n900 on my comp. | 17:46 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so, it's nokia's fault? | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the fault of the app that crashed | 17:46 |
| Shapeshifter | C-S-B: 1) install linux, 2) download SDK, 3) run install script | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it's nokia's app... | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | C-S-B: get a vm, use it | 17:47 |
| C-S-B | I run linux anyway | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | personalisation_app, the one that changes themes | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: install crash-reporter | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | ok... | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | should edit the wiki | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | crashes happen | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | optifying the /usr/share/themes dir does this | 17:48 |
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| paxcoder | hey peeps, I have a 64bit arch, how do I get the SDK on it? | 17:48 |
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| paxcoder | *It's Debian - arch stands for "architecture" not "Arch" | 17:49 |
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| ShadowJK | needs bugzilla entry too... and then put the bugzilla link in the extra info box in crash-reporter | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | is someone willing to confirm this? | 17:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | are you using nokia software to do this optification | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | or are you doing it by hand? | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | (that optification breaks it) | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | by hand | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | because if you're doing it by hand, then you're being stupdi | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | thanks | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | don't go blaming nokia for crashing when you do something that wasn't supported | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | it's the wiki | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | (i know it's user generated) | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | wikii? | 17:51 |
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| C-S-B | silly question, is the gui installer the same as the sdk installer? | 17:53 |
| C-S-B | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html | 17:53 |
| spliffy | imho it's a good question.. i asked it myself earlier today | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | C-S-B, yes, both install the SDK, but the GUI one is easier | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | the GUI one runs the script during the install process | 17:54 |
| C-S-B | Thanks, not very intuitive | 17:54 |
| spliffy | you would think the sdk installer installes the sdk and the gui installer installs a gui .. but what gui? :-) | 17:54 |
| joker_89 | anyone knows if SYMBIAN OR MAEMO CAN SYNC NOTES? | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | symbian can | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | not sure about maemo | 17:55 |
| joker_89 | symbian ca?? | 17:56 |
| joker_89 | can?? | 17:56 |
| spliffy | you can sync notes with funambol | 17:56 |
| joker_89 | i read that notes dont have a unique database | 17:56 |
| joker_89 | in symbian | 17:56 |
| spliffy | or do you mean lotus notes_ | 17:56 |
| joker_89 | no no notes from symbian | 17:56 |
| joker_89 | i read that can write the db | 17:56 |
| joker_89 | cant* | 17:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | notes on maemo are just .txt files | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | or .html files | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | so 'syncing' them is meaningless | 17:57 |
| njsf_1 | anyone here affiliated with crash-reporter ? | 17:57 |
| spliffy | afaik syncevolution can sync notes | 17:57 |
| C-S-B | MohammadAG, you installed the sdk on ubunutu I'm getting errors, even after it d/ld some qt dependencies | 17:58 |
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| trx | hello, | 18:00 |
| spliffy | timeless_mbp: it's not like you couldn't parse textfiles ... | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, the format doesnt matter, syncing is getting data you have modified on the go lined up | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | spliffy: imagine a file system w/ 30gb of data | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | imagine you have 10,000 random .txt files strewn across that file system | 18:02 |
| Tex^ | was anyone able to get garmin maps working with navit ? | 18:02 |
| technomike | guys | 18:02 |
| technomike | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMwlchuqsXo | 18:02 |
| spliffy | timeless_mbp: i dont' know about you, but i don't have 30gb of notes | 18:02 |
| joker_89 | timeless_mbp i try to sync my notes | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | do you want the system to always recurse through the entire file system in search of those? | 18:02 |
| joker_89 | and onlly have READ MODE | 18:02 |
| technomike | how cool is that | 18:02 |
| joker_89 | if i change the notes from server the client device (symbian) cant change the note | 18:02 |
| Tex^ | wait , seems like its possible -- is the package in the repo. built with garmin map support ? | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | technomike: describe | 18:03 |
| joker_89 | only is one-way client->server | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | joker_89: anyway, if you want to deal w/ notes that are synced, use the calendar's todo | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | or tasks or whatever they're called | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | spliffy: so you don't have 30gb of notes | 18:03 |
| joker_89 | timeless_mbp i want to create a new notes application | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but you do have 30gb of data | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and your notes can be hidden anywhere | 18:04 |
| joker_89 | and this notes have a db and have read/write for sync | 18:04 |
| technomike | SpeedEvil - the video is MER on n900 with LXDE (Ubuntu mobile 9.04) | 18:04 |
| joker_89 | its good idea? | 18:04 |
| technomike | it works really well | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | which means the system would have to hunt through all of your music collection in case you hid a note amongst it | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | joker_89: given we have 5-10 other notes w/ db apps for our platform | 18:04 |
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| spliffy | timeless_mbp: i don't see your point. the sync software only has to look at a specific location | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | parse txt files? o.O | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems ostly stupid | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | but have fun | 18:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer points to rsync | 18:04 | |
| tybollt | ostly | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ostly/mostly/ | 18:05 |
| joker_89 | stupid? | 18:05 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, if it mattered you could just setup a tracker format | 18:05 |
| lcuk | it does all that anyway | 18:05 |
| tybollt | yes joker, | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | spliffy: but the notes app doesn't just work on a specific location | 18:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's a text editor, not a notes app | 18:05 |
| lcuk | make a query to return the results from tracker | 18:05 |
| lcuk | technically its feasible | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | if you started taking your notes in some other directory, you the annoying user would complain they weren't synced | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | because that' what you, annoying users, do | 18:05 |
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| C-S-B | has anyone install the SDK on Lucid Lynx? | 18:05 |
| lcuk | im used to activesync on windows - i got to specify folders | 18:06 |
| joker_89 | :/ | 18:06 |
| * lcuk has actively considered syncing himself | 18:06 | |
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| paxcoder | what's this EULA they want me to agree to? :-( | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | for the SDK? access to use the nokia binaries and SGX libs | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | spliffy: anyway, does this make sense? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | all things considered, it's fairly nicely worded | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: an extremely braindamaged text editor though - missing a save-as function so you never can store a derivate version without destroying the original :-(( | 18:07 |
| paxcoder | Stskeeps: why would I need to need that? | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: i didn't say it was clever | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | paxcoder: cos you can't really run the GLES desktop otherwise | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | and compile towards some of the closed libs | 18:08 |
| * lcuk likes the idea of git for user data | 18:08 | |
| spliffy | timeless_mbp: where do you configure the path where the notes get saved? i thought they are saved at a default location? | 18:08 |
| spliffy | timeless_mbp: at least i can't find the option atm | 18:09 |
| paxcoder | Stskeeps: I still don't see why it's not free. | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | on the topic: is there a howto about selecting the right category for tickets on trac? | 18:09 |
| joker_89 | i am confused, spliffy waht are you asking? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | paxcoder: maemo isn't 100% open source | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | spliffy: create a new note | 18:09 |
| joker_89 | seems like my questions | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | choose save | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | it gives you a file picker | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the standard platform file picker | 18:09 |
| paxcoder | Stskeeps: is it the graphics drivers or what? | 18:09 |
| spliffy | timeless_mbp: there is no save.. i just close the app and the note persists | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | paxcoder: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | go read those to see where the pain points are | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | spliffy: you should take a moment and learn how to use the platform | 18:10 |
| joker_89 | i ask: i can create a notes database and set syncml to sync this new database? | 18:10 |
| spliffy | timeless_mbp: i guess we are talking about diefferent things | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | step one. tap the window title to get the app "menu" | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 18:10 |
| * MohammadAG needs an eye check as he sees the save option | 18:10 | |
| joker_89 | no for me or spliffy ? timeless_mbp | 18:10 |
| lcuk | spliffy, theres a yellow notes widget around | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: can you please lead spliffy to water? thanks | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | it's by the tap | 18:10 |
| lcuk | and liqbase does what you describe but with sketches | 18:10 |
| lcuk | and theres a few of what yo uare thinking | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | joker_89: i know nothing about syncml | 18:11 |
| * tybollt need me a fat spliffy | 18:11 | |
| MohammadAG | tap of the title bar :) | 18:11 |
| tybollt | share you smoke brother | 18:11 |
| tybollt | potheads++ | 18:11 |
| spliffy | lcuk: i use the notes 'app' in my calendar. didn't know about the widget | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | spliffy: err | 18:11 |
| lcuk | cool | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | that should be synced when you use calendar syncing | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | spliffy, look at the get started app | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | which means you're wasting *everyone's* time | 18:11 |
| spliffy | timeless_mbp: the quit talking to me and don't piss on my leg | 18:12 |
| spliffy | s/the/then/ | 18:12 |
| paxcoder | Stskeeps: that looks awful. mozilla browser has 20% non-free dependencies what's up with that? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | well, libjpeg has neon-specific accelerations | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | paxcoder: history | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | that covers part of it | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | the libjpeg is just stupid | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | also, it's not 20% | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | someone wanted the browser to go fast | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | it's 20% of the source packages depending on a closed one | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | it's not a very effective dependancy, as you can replace with a free libjpeg easily | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | (click the link) | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | libjpeg is not quite stupid. | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, the loading bug report? that was me | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Coding 5MP jpegs isn't very fast | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | And not using hte hw accel is silly if it's there | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | takes about +5 secs to start loading | 18:14 |
| lcuk | loading jpegs using neon is also nicer | 18:14 |
| paxcoder | timeless_mbp: Stskeeps: I don't see why it has anything to do with libjpeg (/usr/share/doc/libjpeg8/copyright is permissive) | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | paxcoder: yes, and nokia's patches are closed source | 18:15 |
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| paxcoder | dumbassness. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | -> meego | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:16 |
| paxcoder | I hope Android is better... | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | paxcoder: you don't need the optimization | 18:16 |
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| MohammadAG | it's closed down more | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't waste time complaining about it | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser has real closed dependencies | 18:16 |
| C-S-B | looks like I wont be getting the SDK soon... | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | but you're missing the forest for a shrubbery | 18:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and not even a nice shubbery | 18:17 |
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| paxcoder | if debian can run on N900 and have a free browser, maemo could too. | 18:17 |
| paxcoder | Stskeeps: Meego will be completely free (or more)? | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | it can, it won't. period | 18:18 |
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| microlith | paxcoder: minus bits like Neon accelleration, probably | 18:18 |
| paxcoder | MohammadAG: unacceptable | 18:18 |
| C-S-B | MohammadAG, what distro are you running? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | paxcoder: it will probably be: shared system amongst all devices free, hardware adaptation - kernel source fully free, but may be some closed parts, differentiation (apps, etc from hardware vendor) possibly closd | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | sell the N900 then | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: nokia is. | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | paxcoder: which is realistic unless you're an idealistic asshole :) | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | paxcoder: you're encouraged to run Firefox for Mobile instead | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | C-S-B, ubuntu 32bit on a 64 bit PC | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, is what? | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Some of the UI of microb need ported into FF somehow | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: selling it | 18:19 |
| paxcoder | Stskeeps: how do you coupled idealistic with asshole? | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: eh? | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | paxcoder: RMS | 18:20 |
| * MohammadAG is confused | 18:20 | |
| C-S-B | MohammadAG, which version? Ive lucid on this comp and maemo sdk is not installing. I'm assuming its because of this. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | paxcoder: when people are being assholes about their idealistic ideas :P | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | 9.10 | 18:20 |
| paxcoder | that "asshole" is the reason why free software is still alive | 18:20 |
| paxcoder | or alive at all perhaps | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | paxcoder: Indeed. | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | paxcoder: Well - somewhat | 18:20 |
| * Stskeeps goes code instead of arguing about licenses | 18:20 | |
| paxcoder | but is an asshole, perhaps perceived cause is because he's an idealist too. | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | paxcoder: Opensource software was _very_ common before the IBM hardware/software splitup | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | paxcoder: Nope - personal habits do it for me. | 18:21 |
| paxcoder | opensource is 1998 term | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-desktop can be reinstalled right? | 18:22 |
| paxcoder | SpeedEvil: free software was very common when most of it existed in academic circles and was not monetized | 18:22 |
| paxcoder | then it started to fall, but I think we (should) all know the story. | 18:23 |
| paxcoder | Will look into MeeGo | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | rebooting | 18:24 |
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| mrlanrat | I am a student wanting to participate in the google summer of code with maemo, I have my own idea, does anyone think it would be good? | 18:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | mrlanrat: yes. | 18:27 |
| * SpeedEvil uses his psychic powers. | 18:28 | |
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| mrlanrat | The idea is to implement a finger keyboard and stylus keyboard simulat to what os2007 had. | 18:28 |
| mrlanrat | but in maemo 4 and 5 | 18:28 |
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| mrlanrat | *similar | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Never used it - why does it differ from the existing>/ | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard - may be of interest | 18:30 |
| mrlanrat | do you know what i am talking about? the keyboard in 06/07 would change size depending on whether or not you where using your stylus or finger. | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I really want this for the hw keyboard too. | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 18:31 |
| mrlanrat | if the stylus was being used it would only take up about half of the screen, still allowing you to see what you are doing. | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think there is a way to detect between finger and sylys magically on n900 | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - to do this right, you would need all applications to support window size changing. | 18:32 |
| mrlanrat | how did it wok on the 770 and n800? | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | And they don't, and you don't have source. | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | mrlanrat: some touchscreens have that functionality | 18:32 |
| mrlanrat | the keybord could appear as an overlay, not resizing the window. | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if this was the case for the 770 or not, or if it was simply a configurable | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | mrlanrat: true. | 18:33 |
| ptl | wow | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: ? | 18:33 |
| ptl | just ran freemind through java 2 se 1.6 for arm on the N900 | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 18:33 |
| ptl | it was even faster than in my desktop | 18:33 |
| ptl | amazing. | 18:33 |
| mrlanrat | i know the 770 could do it automatically, i have one (somewhere) and iv seen the n800 do it too with 07 | 18:33 |
| mrlanrat | (i use my n810 now) | 18:33 |
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| marcus_ | Wouldn't it be possible to make the n900 use a smartboard? | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | More screen keyboards would be good | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | smartboard? | 18:34 |
| marcus_ | http://smarttech.com/ | 18:34 |
| mrlanrat | what do you mean by more screen keyboards? | 18:34 |
| marcus_ | I guess it's touchscreen keyboards. | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | mrlanrat: For example - the above illume keyboard supporting the distance corrector | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - type 'dorrector' - and it automagically corrects it. | 18:35 |
| ptl | I hate on-screen keyboard | 18:35 |
| ptl | I prefer physical keyboards. | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: It can be handy when using hte phone one-handed. | 18:35 |
| marcus_ | ptl: Gotta gree. I hate when I can't know if I do hit the button or not. | 18:36 |
| mrlanrat | that was not the goal to my idea, and maemo already has word guessing built in. | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | mrlanrat: no, it doesn't quite. | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | mrlanrat: it has predictive guessing - byt not prior correction. | 18:36 |
| mrlanrat | soeedecil: true | 18:36 |
| mrlanrat | *speedevil | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - I'm never, ever going to type 'byt' intentionally. | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | well - apart from then. | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:37 |
| mrlanrat | so, you suggest adding an inline spelling correction? | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 18:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not spelling - typo | 18:38 |
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| mrlanrat | hmm, interesting | 18:38 |
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| mrlanrat | but everything would need to be predefined in a dictonary | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. There are frequency dictionalris available | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Even the top thousand words will catch lots of errors | 18:39 |
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| mrlanrat | well, i actually like the idea. However I have no idea how that would be implemented into maemo | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Me neither. | 18:40 |
| mrlanrat | anyone else know? | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | This is an opensource part of the interface however | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it. | 18:40 |
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| mrlanrat | well, there might be a way we could add it to the word completion/suggestion that is already in place. | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps. | 18:42 |
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| mrlanrat | but then it would be more like a spelling corector; which would still be nice. | 18:42 |
| mrlanrat | *corrector | 18:42 |
| mortal | the n800 does not have an rtc chip? that is lame | 18:43 |
| mortal | I get a clock reset in every boot | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | mortal: is it an older device? | 18:43 |
| mortal | maybe | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - is that even if the main battery has been in and charged? | 18:44 |
| mortal | I think so | 18:44 |
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| C-S-B | TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField(QString, QWidget, str property=None, SIGNAL() changedSignal=0): argument 4 has unexpected type 'str' | 18:47 |
| C-S-B | QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running. | 18:47 |
| C-S-B | Am I missing something... | 18:47 |
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| mortal | where is the personal menu located? I can setup the apps | 18:49 |
| mortal | but where is the menu | 18:49 |
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| blwthompson | Yo | 18:51 |
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| ccooke_ | Afternoon, all | 18:59 |
| blwthompson | morn | 18:59 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, once portrait mode is ok, I kind-of wonder why it would be possible to rotate in all 4 directions, so it could be possible to correctly dial with the phone pluged, stuff like that | 19:01 |
| ccooke | Corsac: that would be good | 19:01 |
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| blwthompson | if portrait ever comes | 19:03 |
| ptl | can't portrait be implemented through xrandr? | 19:05 |
| Griggs | hey, does anyone know if i can find FiSH encryption for xchat or irssi or any other irc-client for the N900 | 19:05 |
| ptl | you'd just tell X to use the X axe as Y and vice-versa | 19:05 |
| Griggs | i had a look around and didnt find anything for xchat or irssi | 19:06 |
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| mortal | how do I force an ntp update on n800 | 19:07 |
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| blwthompson | i would like my update please | 19:10 |
| blwthompson | :) | 19:10 |
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| tybollt | la? | 19:10 |
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| DrGrov | Hello hello | 19:11 |
| DrGrov | Seems to be some news on the PR 1.2 | 19:11 |
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| ptl | new on the PR1.2? where? | 19:11 |
| ptl | gimme gimme gimme | 19:11 |
| blwthompson | whats this said new on PR 1.2? | 19:11 |
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| DrGrov | i am checking atm, i will post a link. not sure it is so "official" as i hoped though. | 19:13 |
| blwthompson | :( | 19:13 |
| DrGrov | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42285&page=31 | 19:13 |
| microlith | if it's in the forums, it's all idle speculation | 19:13 |
| DrGrov | yeah, it is in the forum. | 19:13 |
| DrGrov | but seems like it is something confirmed as well there on page 31. | 19:13 |
| ShadowJK | nothing is confirmed in advance :D | 19:14 |
| microlith | only that Qt 4.6 is coming | 19:14 |
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| blwthompson | yeh but QT has bin confirmed for quite some time | 19:14 |
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| alden | hello, internets! | 19:15 |
| blwthompson | for no apparent reason last night tho i got a MASSIVE performance boost, and the UI became smaller and more stable... :S | 19:15 |
| DrGrov | so i was a bit hasty there, sorry guys | 19:15 |
| blwthompson | i think we're all a bit hasty when it comes to PR1.2 speculation | 19:16 |
| spliffy | alden: hi | 19:16 |
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| DrGrov | lol | 19:16 |
| Funnyfacemob | what are your preferred ways of transferring files to the N900 over wifi? is there an FTP server for maemo out there or something? | 19:16 |
| DrGrov | Funnyfacemob: i use a own server if someone borrows and then download with the N900 with the web browser. | 19:17 |
| pronto | i use scp | 19:17 |
| blwthompson | i just connect it to my pc... hahahah | 19:17 |
| pronto | or sshfs | 19:17 |
| lcuk | Funnyfacemob, mm? ssh has all the answers | 19:17 |
| spliffy | Funnyfacemob: there is dumbftpd | 19:17 |
| spliffy | it's faster than ssh | 19:17 |
| spliffy | good if you need to transfer huge amounts of data | 19:18 |
| Funnyfacemob | yes that works well for a single file etc. | 19:18 |
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| spliffy | ssh is ok for many files also since you can use a good ftp client | 19:18 |
| Funnyfacemob | as for SSH, not all OSes support that out of the box | 19:18 |
| spliffy | it has an (s)ftp subsystem | 19:18 |
| spliffy | the only advantage of dumbftpd is speed imho | 19:19 |
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| RST38h | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/03/500x_for_traffic_cameras.jpg | 19:20 |
| spliffy | and you can use it if you can't modify the client and it has no sftp client. true | 19:20 |
| RST38h | Priceless | 19:20 |
| blwthompson | i think we need some more speclulatory talk | 19:21 |
| RST38h | really? you think so? | 19:21 |
| Funnyfacemob | well, I think ftp is one of the better ways to go if I want it to work with all OSes, because most OSes have some sort of built in FTP browser that integrates with the desktop so you can drag and drop files etc.. :P | 19:21 |
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| lcuk | lol RST38h | 19:21 |
| RST38h | blwthompson: swallow this then: there is a rumor from nokia that the meego device will operate under palmos ui! | 19:22 |
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| spliffy | Funnyfacemob: anyway, it's good to have them both :) | 19:22 |
| Funnyfacemob | well sure :) | 19:22 |
| blwthompson | niffty | 19:22 |
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| blwthompson | im just hoping the new device is good | 19:23 |
| RST38h | blwthompson: of course it will be mighty good, flexible oled screen with capacitive touch screen | 19:23 |
| RST38h | blwthompson: builtin headphones | 19:23 |
| RST38h | blwthompson: run to talk.maemo.org and tell them the news, quick | 19:23 |
| blwthompson | RST38h: Warp capibilities? | 19:23 |
| RST38h | blwthompson: no, that would be too much =) | 19:24 |
| lcuk | blwthompson, they couldnt work out how to make a device without nacells | 19:24 |
| RST38h | blwthompson: tell them you have heard it here on irc, you will get lots of thanks karma | 19:24 |
| blwthompson | but how am i meant to attain perfection with the borg queen w/o Warp? | 19:24 |
| blwthompson | lcuk: i already modded my N900 with nacells | 19:24 |
| lcuk | you could use one of the new bluetooth warp cores | 19:24 |
| blwthompson | can only reach warp 2 | 19:25 |
| blwthompson | :( | 19:25 |
| lcuk | thats ok | 19:25 |
| blwthompson | will the new device support multiple bluetooth nacells? | 19:25 |
| lcuk | i think so, but the battery life will be sufficiently reduces | 19:25 |
| lcuk | d | 19:25 |
| blwthompson | RST38h: i also lol at that link | 19:26 |
| RST38h | that is nacelles, not nacells | 19:26 |
| lcuk | you owuld need one of the mr fusion models | 19:26 |
| lcuk | RST38h, sorry! | 19:26 |
| blwthompson | indeed, but surely that would jack up the prices a bit | 19:26 |
| blwthompson | :( | 19:26 |
| lcuk | you pay for the best | 19:26 |
| blwthompson | knowing nokia the OS would be slightly lacking | 19:26 |
| lcuk | well its linux, so really that comes back to you | 19:27 |
| blwthompson | no UI for intergalactic travel | 19:27 |
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| blwthompson | i require more vespane gas | 19:29 |
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| Griggs | hey, does anyone know if i can find FiSH encryption for xchat or irssi or any other irc-client for the N900? | 19:30 |
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| spliffy | Griggs: i have never seen fish on arm architecture:-) | 19:37 |
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| Griggs | :/ | 19:37 |
| Griggs | im kind of a newb with nix distros | 19:37 |
| Griggs | but is it possible to compile it yourself? | 19:37 |
| Griggs | if you have the source file or whatever | 19:37 |
| Appiah | hmm | 19:37 |
| Appiah | check the fish source | 19:37 |
| spliffy | the source is available here: http://fish.secure.la/ | 19:38 |
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| Griggs | FiSH-XChat.v0.98-source.zip | 19:39 |
| Griggs | would that be the file i need to somehow compile to fit the arm architecture? | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | wb TomaszD | 19:41 |
| arachnist | fish for irssi uses ancient glib and irssi | 19:41 |
| TomaszD | moo | 19:41 |
| cehteh | a website where the menu links on the top require javascript is fail | 19:42 |
| arachnist | and why bother with fish, if most irc networks permit ssl connections? | 19:42 |
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| cehteh | Griggs: is that plugin in C? | 19:43 |
| spliff | arachnist: fish allows a crypted channel in a public network | 19:43 |
| cehteh | is that even a plugin? | 19:44 |
| spliff | so you can chat on an untrusted irc server | 19:44 |
| cehteh | as long its well written it should compile on arm to .. if not, dont bother, the programmer who dont know how to write portable software shouldnt do security things either | 19:44 |
| spliff | ssl solves an other problem | 19:45 |
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| cehteh | gcc -std=gnu99 $(CFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) -Wl,--export-dynamic -Wall -Os -shared -fPIC maemo_notify.c -o maemo_notify.so | 19:46 |
| cehteh | ... hint for compiling on arm (well the same as on other linux systems) | 19:46 |
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| arachnist | their source hardcodes paths to required libraries/header files | 19:46 |
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| arachnist | s/source/build system/ | 19:46 |
| cehteh | well .. fix it then .. i dont care :P | 19:46 |
| cehteh | i dont even bother to download and look at it | 19:47 |
| Griggs | arachnist, its not really up to me | 19:47 |
| Griggs | some of the channels i chat on have fish encryption enabled | 19:47 |
| cehteh | but compiling well written xchat plugins on the sdk is straightforward | 19:47 |
| Griggs | and i need it to see what they are writing | 19:48 |
| Griggs | but i have no clue on how to go about getting that to work for my N900 | 19:48 |
| Griggs | do i need to compile it on the actual N900 for it to work or is there any way to do it on my pc and move it over? | 19:48 |
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| cehteh | install the sdk and compile it there | 19:49 |
| cehteh | but be prepared that this needs some experience and time | 19:49 |
| cehteh | yet alone installing the sdk needs some GB diskspace and some time | 19:49 |
| Griggs | hmm out | 19:49 |
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| Griggs | sounds like im in over my head then | 19:49 |
| Griggs | i guess ill just wait for someone with more skills to bother get fish working for N900 | 19:49 |
| Griggs | since i have no clue what im doing compiling linux stuff | 19:50 |
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| cehteh | well maybe as on t.m.o if anyone else would do it .. i may try later but have no time now | 19:50 |
| arachnist | i'm going to try to compile it on my arm toy | 19:50 |
| Shapeshifter | Griggs: the shell? | 19:50 |
| Shapeshifter | ah "fish encryption"... nvm | 19:50 |
| arachnist | (a little bit faster than N900 and already has all of the headers and compilers and whatsoever) | 19:50 |
| cehteh | .. compiling it is not that hard when it works and you have the SDK installed | 19:51 |
| Griggs | if anyone wants to give it a try the sources for xchat and irssi fish are here http://fish.secure.la/ | 19:51 |
| cehteh | but i smell problems with such code and i am not after fixing them :P | 19:51 |
| Griggs | either will do | 19:51 |
| Griggs | or anything that has a client that works on the N900 tbh | 19:51 |
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| arachnist | Griggs: you'll have no luck | 19:53 |
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| arachnist | Griggs: the miracl encryption library hardcodes x86 asm instruction in its source | 19:53 |
| Griggs | okay... | 19:53 |
| Griggs | im guessing thats bad? | 19:54 |
| C-S-B | you could ssh your traffic to irc? | 19:54 |
| spliffy | C-S-B: doesn't help, he needs to decrypt fish (:D) traffic | 19:54 |
| Griggs | yeah the point of fish encryption is to hide what you are talking about from nosy ircops | 19:54 |
| Griggs | it encrypts the actual text in the channel | 19:54 |
| Griggs | so ppl that dont have the password cant see what is being said | 19:54 |
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| arachnist | Griggs: that means that a: it is impossible to compile/run it outside of junky x86 hardware | 19:55 |
| arachnist | s/a: // | 19:55 |
| infobot | arachnist meant: Griggs: that means that it is impossible to compile/run it outside of junky x86 hardware | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Griggs: well - if it hardcodes a different processors instructions - you need to rewrite that algorithm in eitehr assembler for your new arch - or rewruite a protable library | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | also - qemu | 19:56 |
| Griggs | okay | 19:56 |
| Griggs | as i suspected im in way over my head | 19:56 |
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| arachnist | there are better solutions to "nosy ircops" problem. for example, running your own network | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Or convince someone to do so. | 19:57 |
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| spliffy | arachnist: true but there are situations where this isn't possible. reality is an asshole | 19:57 |
| Griggs | yeah | 19:58 |
| Griggs | its not really up to me | 19:58 |
| Griggs | if i want to chat in those channels that use that i have to use it | 19:58 |
| Griggs | even tho its stupid | 19:58 |
| arachnist | and both the miracl library and the FiSH source make me want to puke :/ | 19:58 |
| arachnist | Griggs: you might try running irssi with FiSH enabled on some compatible hardware, load the irssi-proxy module there and connect to that irssi using xchat on the n900 | 20:00 |
| arachnist | (irssi-proxy acts like a BNC software, but is just a plugin for irssi) | 20:00 |
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| Griggs | hmm | 20:01 |
| Griggs | so basically i would need a server up 24/7 running irssi with some module? | 20:01 |
| arachnist | with 2 modules actually | 20:01 |
| Griggs | heh okay | 20:02 |
| arachnist | one's the FiSH and the other's irssi-proxy | 20:02 |
| Griggs | yeah i guess | 20:02 |
| Griggs | sounds like too much work tho | 20:02 |
| Griggs | and i dont really have a server | 20:02 |
| Griggs | if i did i would probably just vnc to it | 20:03 |
| Griggs | from my N900 | 20:03 |
| arachnist | and that's assuming that the irssi-proxy will get the decrypted text from FiSH, instead of passing the encrypted stuff to the other client | 20:03 |
| Griggs | and run the irc client on the server | 20:03 |
| arachnist | vnc? what for. for servers all you need is ssh | 20:03 |
| Griggs | can i get a remote desktop that way? | 20:03 |
| Griggs | i just figured since there is a vnc client for the n900 | 20:04 |
| Griggs | could be a easy way to solve it, if i had a server that is | 20:04 |
| arachnist | ssh is a way to run cli apps (like the irssi irc client) over network | 20:04 |
| Griggs | remote desktop to the server that runs irc and some other stuff | 20:04 |
| spliffy | no, you need vnc/rdp for remote desktop | 20:04 |
| ShadowJK | the implication was that one does not have graphical stuff on servers | 20:04 |
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| arachnist | and for N900 there are ssh, rdesktop and vnc clients | 20:05 |
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| spliffy | basically it's like that: you have a windows server, you use vnc/rdp. linux server -> ssh | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what a kinky idea nayway to use a protocol and infrastruct like IRC to implement a point-to-point encrypted communication - *uarrghh* | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 20:09 |
| arachnist | well, FiSH looks like a bad solution to a nonexistant problem. and badly written at that | 20:09 |
| ColdFyre | what? ssl vpn? | 20:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I recall this sort of thing being in use in ~1990 | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | any sane irc admin will kick those chan off his server without asking | 20:12 |
| spliffy | arachnist: you don't see the problem. that doesn't mean it doesn't exist | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | spliffy: it's like inventing a method to leave encrypted notes for exactly one recipient at the university's blackboard | 20:15 |
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| spliffy | DocScrutinizer: it works for a channel not only p2p | 20:16 |
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| arachnist | well, nosy ircops is not a real problem. you can run your own network which would only permit ssl-encrypted connections using only trusted keys | 20:16 |
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| arachnist | it's really not that hard | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | let me put it that way: If I want to have a private talk to somebody, I won't use a megaphone and think about a kinky code for my words | 20:17 |
| arachnist | and oh, it happens to be supported by just about every real irc client | 20:17 |
| ShadowJK | ssl irc is decrypted at the server and processed unencrypted | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 20:18 |
| arachnist | ShadowJK: who cares, if you're the one running the irc server? | 20:18 |
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| spliffy | yeah you could run your own server, but the point is you don't need to | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | it's obviously fine if you trust the server :) | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's an idiotic concept to bring privacy to a medium designed for public speech | 20:19 |
| Arkenoi | there is OTR for irc | 20:20 |
| Arkenoi | and iirc it was ported to maemo | 20:20 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: everyoen knows SSL IRC is just to bypass firewalls | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, a medium favoured for coordination by all the borderline legal and outright illegal groups on the internet ;) | 20:21 |
| arachnist | ShadowJK: i alone have at least two boxes which i trust. one's running linux with rsbac patched kernel and only a few people have access to it and the other is a freebsd box, to which only i have access | 20:21 |
| Arkenoi | to bypass stupid firewalls. | 20:21 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr: oh I thought it was for avoiding man-in-middle packet sniffing | 20:21 |
| spliffy | whatever. i don't use it anymore but i am thankful that it exists | 20:21 |
| ShadowJK | but the real secuirty comes from nobody having a clever way to mine out relevant stuff from irc yet ;p | 20:22 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: yes, I'm going to sniff #Maemo convos rather than /j and lurk | 20:22 |
| C-S-B | The SDK installs from the shell scripts on lucid btw guys, the python fails | 20:23 |
| arachnist | ShadowJK: you're claiming that there actually is relevant stuff on irc! :> | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | spliffy: btw you claim it works for one-to-many as well ("in a channel"). That's virtually impossible to implement correctly, thinking along a line of using a sane PKI | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr: it's true that infiltration has been more effective than wiretapping :) | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | spliffy: and as soon as you use a shared common sercret, it's doomed (aka flawed) from beginning | 20:25 |
| luke-jr | SSL isn't shared secret | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: no, I never claimed it is | 20:26 |
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| luke-jr | any ideas for my curriculum? http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/chores/table2.html | 20:27 |
| luke-jr | note it's by age, not grade level | 20:27 |
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| * ioeee saluda o/ | 20:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: but shared secret is the only way to implement one-to-many encryption in such a scenario | 20:27 |
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| arachnist | you could, in theory, generate a public/private key pair for every participant and encrypt each message with each pair and send messages encrypted with proper keys to the right people and so on... and then your server crashes under load | 20:30 |
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| luke-jr | arachnist: doesn't FreeNode do that more or less? | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | if everyone has SSL enabled | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: [2010-03-21 19:24:26] <DocScrutinizer> spliffy: btw you claim it works for one-to-many as well ("in a channel"). That's virtually impossible to implement correctly, thinking along a line of using a sane PKI | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | Sender encrypts to his FN server; the FN server encrypts to each recipient | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: the hub in SSL is the IRC server. The hub in what arachnist sketched is your client | 20:32 |
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| Corsac | hmh, does fremantle support smb browsing? | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, seem to remember a shout "hooray it even does browsing" | 20:33 |
| C-S-B | with the cifs pack | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...even in the hildon filemanager | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are I'm mistaken | 20:34 |
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| simoneb_ | is the stuff written on stdout by widgets logged somewhere? | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually not | 20:36 |
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| simoneb_ | uhm, but can I start it and then see what it prints? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | just start from xterm | 20:37 |
| simoneb_ | how do i start a widget that way? | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X Terminal: 'hildon-application-manager<enter>' | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/HAM/<your-app> | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, sorry. missed the widget part | 20:41 |
| simoneb_ | uhhmm... so? it can't be done? | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno who's starting the widgets and in which way | 20:42 |
| simoneb_ | i'm wondering why the notes application does not trigger my inotify listener ... and i don't have that application in scratchbox | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | simoneb_, change your printfs to write to a file | 20:47 |
| lcuk | afaik you owuld have to restart the desktop in a visible console to see the debug output | 20:47 |
| lcuk | so just write to file | 20:48 |
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| simoneb_ | i was too lazy to do that | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | redirect stdout, on startup? | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 21:09 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 21:09 |
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| Appiah | I'm trying to compile something in the SDK, and I'm stuck at ./configure beacuse it cant find python 2.4 or greater . But I do have python 2.5 found this : http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/FAQ | 21:43 |
| Appiah | thats about running your python scripts and debian packaging | 21:43 |
| Appiah | but I'm just trying to run configure here, can anyone explain to me? :) | 21:44 |
| matthewbpt | hey guys, i just bought an n900 off someone on ebay, he shipped it to me with all his contacts and settings and files still on it. I read that to restore completely to factory settings i can flash the firmware and then the emmc, but it says not to boot back into the n900 between flashing the firmware and the emmc, however i did the firmware flashing and when it finished it has automatically rebooted into the phone, shou | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | matthewbpt: you got cut off at 'shou' | 21:45 |
| matthewbpt | should i turn it off and flash the emmc anyway? what to do? | 21:45 |
| crashanddie | that would be a very long sentence if you were standing next to us in real life | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | it should come up at the configure screen, just reboot it | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | nothing bad will happen (eg it wont restore backups from emmc until after you configure it all) | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | if backups even exist | 21:46 |
| Griggs | hey, does anyone know of any app that has the same functionality as dropbox but that runs on the N900? | 21:46 |
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| lcuk | matthewbpt, flash emmc first, then the rootfs image :) | 21:48 |
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| matthewbpt | cool thanx :) | 21:50 |
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| andrei | I'm trying to install the sdk, and the install script dies with: "awk: fatal: could not find groups: Invalid argument" Enyone else encouter this? | 21:59 |
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| matthewbpt | done! awesome thanks guys | 22:02 |
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| matthewbpt | ok weird, on rebooting it its not detecting my simcard anymore | 22:07 |
| matthewbpt | it detected it fine befpre | 22:08 |
| matthewbpt | before* | 22:08 |
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| sp3000 | you got the latest version right? | 22:09 |
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| matthewbpt | whoops i got the wrong one... | 22:11 |
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| matthewbpt | ill flash it again with the right one, pr1.1.1 | 22:12 |
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| Griggs | hey, does anyone know of any app that has the same functionality as dropbox but that runs on the N900? | 22:15 |
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| marcus_ | HOLA | 22:17 |
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| hrw | morning | 22:18 |
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| MohammadAG | <matthewbpt> ok weird, on rebooting it its not detecting my simcard anymore | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | happens to me, I just readjust the SIM | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | could be a loose sim hatch | 22:25 |
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| N900evil | RST38h, did you do something to scrolling on xchat - or I just found it. | 22:29 |
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| N900evil | (select some text, including the top or bottom of the screen, and it carries omn scrolling. | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | N900evil, was it updated? | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | N900evil, same as in desktop version, nothing new | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Aren't sure | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't think so | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I just discovered it | 22:32 |
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| hrw | ~curse idealists on meego-dev ML | 22:40 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, idealists on meego-dev ML ! | 22:40 |
| marcus_ | Oh gawd | 22:41 |
| marcus_ | I hope I can get the english n900 layout in Denmark. | 22:41 |
| marcus_ | The UP key requires Fn on the danish layout | 22:41 |
| Shapeshifter | marcus_: same in alsmost any place on the world except uk and netherlands | 22:42 |
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| marcus_ | Shapeshifter: It's not. We have got the ÆØÅ | 22:42 |
| Shapeshifter | marcus_: I thought it was really stupid as well, but now I don't _really_ mind. though you can switch the keyboard loayout without a porblem | 22:42 |
| marcus_ | Oh, in that way | 22:42 |
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| marcus_ | Are you using the ÆØÅ keyboard? | 22:43 |
| Shapeshifter | and you can buy a new hardware keypad if you like. there are few suppliers but they exist | 22:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | no, but I have äöü | 22:43 |
| marcus_ | Oh I see. So you havent got an up key? | 22:43 |
| Shapeshifter | they're all the same, only two directional keys. | 22:43 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah | 22:43 |
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| noobmonk3y | lo alls :D | 22:43 |
| marcus_ | Shapeshifter: Isnt it annoying? Have you edited it, so the ä is UP? | 22:44 |
| noobmonk3y | anyone know why when you test led patterns, only some of them work? (Using dbus) | 22:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | marcus_: nah as I said I don't really mind. I mind less, then I thought I would before I got it. Also, in games, well, emulators, you'll change the keys anyway. So the only place where I regularly use UP is in the terminal | 22:45 |
| Shapeshifter | other than that, I rarely use it. | 22:45 |
| marcus_ | Shapeshifter: Yeah, my worry was about the emulators etc | 22:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | marcus_: most of them set keys themselves anyway | 22:45 |
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| marcus_ | I can use the n900 without 3g, right? | 22:50 |
| Shapeshifter | marcus_: sure | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | right, but agps is a bit shitty without | 22:50 |
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| Arif_ | oo | 22:51 |
| Arif_ | 4 updates | 22:51 |
| Arif_ | there should really be changelogs in these things | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yo | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and a list of files (FQN. size) | 22:53 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 22:53 |
| noobmonk3y | evenin ;) | 22:53 |
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| Arif_ | ohai | 22:53 |
| Arif_ | :D | 22:53 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 22:54 |
| * Shapeshifter didn't know about tracker | 22:56 | |
| Shapeshifter | what a name, even. "tracker". | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | frecker | 22:56 |
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| * noobmonk3y doesnt like LED's..... | 22:57 | |
| Arif_ | LEDs ftw | 22:58 |
| Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: heresy! | 22:58 |
| noobmonk3y | lol ;) | 22:58 |
| noobmonk3y | its not that i hate them, just dislike them when they dont work | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | outright idiocy. This tracker fregger should be a function of mediaplayer for user to trigger deliberately, with a clearly specified goal/task/path/younameit | 22:58 |
| noobmonk3y | fucksocks....... | 23:00 |
| noobmonk3y | figure out why.... | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bah | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ipod nano | 23:00 |
| noobmonk3y | some only work when the screen is off...... hmmmm | 23:00 |
| noobmonk3y | now how to turn the screen off in pyqt lol | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | s/ipod nano/ such a concept (tracker) might be appropriate for a dedicated MP3player. For sure it's a complete fail on a palmtop linux computer that can play media incidentally | 23:02 |
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| Arif_ | maybe you play media incidentally | 23:03 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 23:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | ? | 23:04 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: I was referring to the tracker search indexer on the n900 | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: me too | 23:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: are you saying that it's scanning media tags for nothing? | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or is there a beagle/spotlight alike function of tracker as welll? | 23:06 |
| Shapeshifter | It's not just for media, if I got this right. | 23:06 |
| Shapeshifter | well, it's for anything. there are modules for media metadata but it appears that it's sort of a - yeah, beagle, strigi sort of indexer | 23:06 |
| * Shapeshifter would like to participate in gsoc with maemo. And one of the proposals is desktop search. | 23:07 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | duh, so how ould I use those amazing index hits for e.g. a pertnumber of a component? | 23:07 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: what component? | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I honestly doubt indexer doesw anything beyond media file indexing | 23:08 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/documentation.html | 23:09 |
| Shapeshifter | there's even a tracker search tool and gnome "search bar" which uses tracker | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gnome.org ??? o.O | 23:10 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah | 23:10 |
| njsf_1 | tracker is a gnome project | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so where's that great searchtool on aemo? | 23:11 |
| Shapeshifter | now, I don't like gnome in particular as a DE, but this doesn't seem so bad, imo http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/features.html | 23:11 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: nowhere. that's the proposal | 23:11 |
| Shapeshifter | And I'm kinda hoping I can write it ;) | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | screw it | 23:11 |
| Shapeshifter | lol | 23:11 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 23:11 |
| Arif_ | I read somewhere the medıa player wıll be open for plugıns ın pr1.2 | 23:12 |
| Arif_ | what does this mean for us :D | 23:12 |
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| Stskeeps | isn't it already? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, for now I keep to be convinced tracker is any good for anything | 23:12 |
| TomaszD | there's going to be a UI for it now Stskeeps afaict | 23:12 |
| njsf_1 | for additional codecs yes | 23:12 |
| njsf_1 | display plugins AFAIK not | 23:13 |
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| Arif_ | could this be used to create a "share" option in the media player | 23:13 |
| Arif_ | xD | 23:13 |
| TomaszD | additional codecs get plugged through gstreamer, not mafw | 23:13 |
| TomaszD | this is possibly for some sort of a UI for last.fm, I hope | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~nuke gnome | 23:13 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gnome ... B☢☢M! | 23:13 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe xchat fail | 23:14 |
| * Arif_ encodes Shapeshifter | 23:14 | |
| dan2003 | hi guys, am looking to make a mpd client homescreen, widget for it states on the qt4/hildon wiki to use osso, i thought this wasn't required with qt4? or is this special to being a widget? | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | gnome philosophy: let's try to be as good as windows - bleeerrrgh | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ubuntu : no comment, see XKCD | 23:25 |
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| MohammadAG | just noticed it | 23:39 |
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| njsf_1 | re Hi all | 23:46 |
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| pupnik | the javises are great :) | 23:48 |
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| njsf_1 | pupnik: javises? | 23:51 |
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| pupnik | two guys from barcelona. made drnoksnes and picodrive for maemo | 23:54 |
| kynky | was drnoksnes just ripped from code for pandora port | 23:55 |
| kynky | ? | 23:55 |
| red | javispedro and who else? | 23:59 |
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