| kynky | well you can see video on n900 at same time as tv | 00:00 |
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| henkie- | crazy dbus! | 00:00 |
| kynky | heard they got sixaxis controller working with n900, so emu++ | 00:00 |
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| simoneb_ | are those controllers laggy? or it's just the wiimote that's laggy? | 00:02 |
| kynky | cracked my screen on my n900 was gutted | 00:02 |
| uhsf | i can't even make a sixaxis work with bluetooth on arch linux | 00:02 |
| kynky | simoneb_, thought it should b fine | 00:02 |
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| Sachin | anyone here? | 00:02 |
| simoneb_ | i've read on the forum that the wiimote is imprevedibly laggy, somewhere from 20ms to 500ms ... wondered if other controllers were the same | 00:03 |
| kynky | luckily nokia repair centre fixed screen for modest fee | 00:03 |
| doubleukay | by any chance, has anyone experimented with /proc/sys/vm/swappiness? | 00:03 |
| kynky | you could try bt kb | 00:03 |
| zerojay | simoneb_: Yes, that was me that said that. I work with the Wii and yes, it's terribly laggy... and it's like that on the Wii and on devkits as well. | 00:03 |
| doubleukay | I noticed while dong some IO that the n900 was caching really aggressively | 00:03 |
| zerojay | I haven't tried the Sixaxis on the N900 yet, but I know there's no lagging when using sixaxis normally in Linux. | 00:04 |
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| simoneb_ | zerojay: you mean that wiimotes are laggy on the wii itself? | 00:04 |
| Damion2 | annoyingly the current ps3 controller w/ n900 needs flashed kernel | 00:05 |
| zerojay | simoneb_: Wiimotes have a built-in lag to them that developers have to work around. | 00:05 |
| zerojay | simoneb_: And the lag is random. | 00:05 |
| kynky | sixaxis will be better for drnoksnes anyway | 00:05 |
| Damion2 | though technically that shouldn't be. bt has enough userland stuff to be used to generate keypresses | 00:05 |
| zerojay | Some developers wanting more precision are using the same movement prediction that you'd see in online games for the Wii. | 00:06 |
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| zerojay | Damion2: Shouldn't be, but it is and is for all games... it's just that some people have gotten better at hiding that lag than others. | 00:06 |
| simoneb_ | this stuff makes me love wires | 00:08 |
| zerojay | No. | 00:09 |
| zerojay | It should make you hate the Wii. | 00:09 |
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| zerojay | The other consoles don't suffer from the same problem. | 00:09 |
| zerojay | And the PS3 is also using Bluetooth. | 00:09 |
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| kynky | well its using bt in a slightly annoying way i thought (pairing) | 00:10 |
| simoneb_ | by the way.... any pointer on how to make a transparent widget with gtk? | 00:10 |
| Arif_ | anyone know if the Wii classic controller works with the N900? :) | 00:11 |
| kynky | simeoni, try cairo with a surface that supports composite ? | 00:11 |
| kynky | simoneb_, i mean | 00:11 |
| simoneb_ | kynky: cairo? i'm just trying to draw a half-transparent desktop widget :O | 00:12 |
| simoneb_ | kynky: with one single button and some text | 00:12 |
| kynky | well if it was me, i would go down o the garage and find out, simoneb_ | 00:13 |
| kynky | to* | 00:13 |
| simoneb_ | last time i went there i couldn't find the sources i wanted to peek in | 00:13 |
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| Dassu | I guess the music player doesn't have search function? | 00:16 |
| simoneb_ | nevermind. found them. | 00:16 |
| simoneb_ | Dassu: it does, just type some text | 00:16 |
| Dassu | oh finally I got the answe thanks | 00:17 |
| Dassu | simoneb_: | 00:17 |
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| simoneb_ | you're welcome | 00:18 |
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| kynky | crazy, my n900 stuck in portrait and desktop is weird too use like that | 00:21 |
| simoneb_ | that happened to me once too, but before 1.1 | 00:21 |
| kynky | im on pr1.1 | 00:22 |
| Arif_ | so no one tried a classic controller? =( | 00:22 |
| simoneb_ | i can't remember how i got there, i think i opened and rapidly closed an application or something like that | 00:23 |
| kynky | had to reboot | 00:23 |
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| chun1 | Is 16GB the limit on micro-sd cards the n900 can read? | 00:24 |
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| Arif_ | no | 00:25 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, usuk | 00:25 |
| Arif_ | SDHC is upto 32GB | 00:25 |
| simoneb_ | but, will it be possibly to attach 2 ps3 controllers to the n900? | 00:26 |
| simoneb_ | possible* | 00:26 |
| ScribbleJ | IT's possible now, I'm sure. | 00:27 |
| ScribbleJ | They're just bluetooth HID, right? | 00:27 |
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| Bash1 | hi guys | 00:31 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:32 |
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| n1c0 | i can't switch app when i see a video :S | 00:33 |
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| n1c0 | ican only go back to player menu to switch and i lose video connexion | 00:34 |
| n1c0 | is there any workaround ? | 00:34 |
| kynky | use mplayer ? | 00:34 |
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| n1c0 | hmm gona try it but maybe not so nice integrated | 00:35 |
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| kynky | it doesnt use dsp | 00:35 |
| Bash1 | guys ive just installed firefox on my n900 but i dont have an icon, only a blue box | 00:37 |
| Bash1 | is this for everyone? | 00:37 |
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| fragment | Bash1: it takes a while to update | 00:37 |
| Bash1 | oh cool. | 00:37 |
| fragment | Bash1: icon cache | 00:37 |
| n1c0 | i ve set video bookmark, how to see files related ? | 00:37 |
| n1c0 | thre is nothing in .videos | 00:38 |
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| sar3th | hey | 00:45 |
| sar3th | is it possible to run a "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped" on the n900? | 00:45 |
| ljp | login | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | well | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:46 |
| ljp | hmm.. wrong window. sorry | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | qemu | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | but you won't like the speed | 00:46 |
| sar3th | :( | 00:46 |
| sar3th | thanks SpeedEvil | 00:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | the processor in the n900 is arm | 00:47 |
| kynky | ed and dangerous | 00:47 |
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| luke-jr | sar3th: just recompile it | 00:47 |
| sar3th | luke-jr: i would do it if i could, but it's the VPN client of my university (juniper network connect), so i don't have the sourcecode | 00:48 |
| luke-jr | sar3th: poor logic | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | is it a VPN authenticator - or does it do the VPNstuff itself? | 00:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | you might also try running it on a x86 box somewhere - and vpning to that | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | sar3th: a university shouldn't be requiring anti-freedom blobs | 00:49 |
| * GAN900 stabs the S60 blog | 00:49 | |
| GAN900 | Idiots copied konttori's SNES video to their off feed. | 00:49 |
| GAN900 | Lamd hit whoring shit. | 00:50 |
| * luke-jr ponders what the cheapest ARM board is | 00:50 | |
| sar3th | luke-jr: i agree :( | 00:51 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Hmm? | 00:51 |
| sar3th | SpeedEvil: i don't know, it's the client you use to connect into the vpn, it sets up routing and runs as a service in the background | 00:51 |
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| N900evil | luke-jr, there are many sorts of arm | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | N900evil: so? | 00:52 |
| N900evil | luke-jr, from $20 or so | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | N900evil: where? :P | 00:52 |
| N900evil | arm cortex | 00:52 |
| kynky | luke-jr, beagleboard too expensive ? or would using qemu-arm be to silly ? | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | kynky: yes, beagleboard is pretty expensive | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | kynky: I'm thinking ordering 5-10 or so | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | and putting them various places | 00:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: do you mean with mmu/ | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | / linux | 00:54 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yeah, don't all ARM have a MMU? O.o | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=mini2440&=&_sacat=See-All-Categories | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | not the little ones | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120512554488QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0f1ba5f8 | 00:55 |
| plq | hey, first line from my new n900 :) is there a way to send tab key to xchat to do nick completion? | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | 64K ROM, 20K RAM, 32 bit forex | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | plq: see settings -> advanced -> key-bindings | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf or | 00:56 |
| plq | sure, thanks. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | and drop it in your xchat | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | shift-rightarrow does completion in that | 00:56 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, S60 blog reuploade konttori's SNES video as their own. | 00:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | and shift-0-9 go to channels 0-9 | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | and stuff | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | shift up and down are pgup/down, ... | 00:58 |
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| Damion2 | sar3th: I've been impressed by the speed | 01:00 |
| sar3th | Damion2: i don't know much about how qemu works; does it put the qemu'd process in a sandbox-like environment or will it give plain access to the required resources? it would be useless if the client does work, but i can't use it out of qemu | 01:01 |
| red | http://fox.nncdn.com/nn/0/273/979/84420.jpg | 01:02 |
| redeeman | qemu-user will run binaries from the target architecture on the host arch | 01:02 |
| redeeman | typically used in chroots or for static binaries | 01:02 |
| Damion2 | mplayer converted an ogg to wav in 1/4 of native arm speed and toppler was about 70% | 01:02 |
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| Damion2 | sar3th: I can probably somehow send you my binary | 01:03 |
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| Damion2 | I've been using ./qemu ./ld-linux.so.2 --library-path `pwd` ./arbitrary_binary | 01:04 |
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| plq | another question, i got dosbox to run, but it reports /dev/snd/seq not found. what snd device should it be pointed to? | 01:09 |
| sar3th | Damion2: i assume you built qemu from source using scratchbox then? | 01:09 |
| Damion2 | yep | 01:10 |
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| Damion2 | plq: I've not see sequencer in use for yonks | 01:10 |
| plq | yonks?? | 01:11 |
| Damion2 | even oss seemed to drop support in the 90s with the last wavetable soundcard | 01:11 |
| Damion2 | timidity and userspace libs took over | 01:11 |
| Damion2 | yonks = donkey's yeahs | 01:11 |
| Damion2 | years | 01:11 |
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| Damion2 | you're not british are you? | 01:12 |
| plq | ah ok so its expected behaviour. | 01:12 |
| plq | nope im turkish | 01:12 |
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| Damion2 | plq: it's suboptimal and I'm just assuming but yeah it's what I'd expect | 01:12 |
| plq | ok thanks a bunch. | 01:13 |
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| Damion2 | sar3th: I can scp the binary of qemu somewhere | 01:13 |
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| Maromader | hello from n900 :) | 01:17 |
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| Damion2 | hello: I'm normally using mine | 01:18 |
| Damion2 | s/:/, | 01:19 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Ugh, that's bullshit. | 01:19 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Feel like testing something out for me real quick? | 01:20 |
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| mango_make | Hi guys, im trying to setup esbox, i finally have it up and running and i have the scratchbox sdk working (have sucesfully built libmpd and a qt front end im wokring on and launched it in xephyr), im running an amd64 gentoo system, ive seen varioud places state that this does not work or is not supported but i have it all up and running to the point where im trying to start the "maemo application framework" in esbox. Probem is the ok button is alwasy greyed | 01:27 |
| mango_make | out, i set the Build machien type to "host Machine" as im an not using a virtual machine. | 01:27 |
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| Xisdibik | zerojay: what do u need tested? | 01:33 |
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| mango_make | just realised esbox is lookin for scratchbox 1, when i have scratchbox2 up and running | 01:34 |
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| Damion2 | has anyone packaged mediatomb? | 02:06 |
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| Damion2 | I've just started it, can't test yet wife watching dancing on ice on the ps3 but I think it'll work. I'll have to work out debiifying it if nobody else has | 02:07 |
| Damion2 | I've just done ./configure && make | 02:07 |
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| nomis | hrm. The GPS location of omweather totally fails for me. | 02:08 |
| ScribbleJ | Maybe you aren't where you think you are. | 02:08 |
| nomis | ScribbleJ: interesting thought. | 02:08 |
| nomis | at least the location API agrees with my perception :) | 02:08 |
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| nomis | but somehow omweather maps "Siegen, Germany" to "Haguenau, France" apparently. Maybe it is a weather.com problem. | 02:09 |
| sar3th | lol, actually, hagenau is in germany afaik | 02:10 |
| mango_make | wihtin esbox window->preferences->maemo->installed targets, each entry wasnts a password for user, i dont know what this is and passwd in xterm on n900 tells me the passwd for user cannot be chnaged. should i change it somethign as root user or what? | 02:11 |
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| Bash1 | whats the best software to convert avi files to work with the n900? | 02:12 |
| nomis | sar3th: apparently not: http://maps.google.de/maps?q=haguenau | 02:12 |
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| sar3th | hmk | 02:14 |
| sar3th | it's been a while since i was there | 02:14 |
| nomis | sar3th: oh, you missed the recent german invasion? :) | 02:15 |
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| sar3th | oh, fuck :< ^^ | 02:15 |
| ScribbleJ | Does anyone already know what all the exposed test points on the board under the n900 battery are? | 02:16 |
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| microlith | ScribbleJ: no docs that I know of, my guess is serial, JTAG, and something else | 02:25 |
| ScribbleJ | Yeah, my guess too.... but I'd love it if someone had already figured the serial pinout... | 02:26 |
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| ScribbleJ | I wonder if there is some kind of serial driver for the hardware in the kernel tree. | 02:27 |
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| microlith | I imagine that it's a boring, already supported serial port | 02:27 |
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| Damion2 | bash1: I use ffmpeg | 02:32 |
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| ScribbleJ | If it were, it would be pretty easy for me to install support, see the module load, scope the pins until I get something fun. | 02:33 |
| ScribbleJ | It seems like there might be enough room in there to wedge in a tiny magnetometer. | 02:33 |
| microlith | if it's using one of the existing, supported types then there won't be a module | 02:34 |
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| microlith | you could probably scope them now | 02:34 |
| ScribbleJ | Well, I'd have to see the serial port in the OS first so I could send data to scope. | 02:34 |
| microlith | the device nodes are already there | 02:35 |
| microlith | at least one probably runs to the baseband | 02:35 |
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| ScribbleJ | Ah | 02:36 |
| ScribbleJ | I didn't notice the ttyS* before. | 02:36 |
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| ScribbleJ | Very interesting. | 02:36 |
| ScribbleJ | I suddenly see a difficulty in scoping them, though. | 02:36 |
| ScribbleJ | Will need to make some kind of wiring harness first so I can do it with the battery in, I think. | 02:36 |
| microlith | or hook up an external power supply | 02:37 |
| ScribbleJ | I thought the N900 would shut down if there is no battery, even if plugged in. | 02:37 |
| ScribbleJ | But I haven't actually tried it. | 02:37 |
| microlith | so you hook up an external PSU to the internal pins | 02:37 |
| ScribbleJ | Oh, well, isn't that an obvious solution. | 02:38 |
| ScribbleJ | I probably didn't think of it because my brain is too finely trained.... or something. | 02:38 |
| microlith | heh | 02:38 |
| microlith | we do it all the time at work, since we tear them apart and build demos of our stuff to show off | 02:39 |
| ScribbleJ | What stuff is this? | 02:39 |
| microlith | flash memory mostly | 02:39 |
| microlith | PCM these days | 02:39 |
| ScribbleJ | Ah. | 02:39 |
| ScribbleJ | I know barely enough about hardware to wire up a uC. | 02:39 |
| microlith | no worries, I'm all software myself | 02:40 |
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| GAN900 | zerojay, hmm? | 02:42 |
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| crashanddie_ | woohoo | 02:43 |
| crashanddie_ | I had a comment on slashdot rather +5 funny | 02:43 |
| GAN900 | hooowooo | 02:43 |
| GAN900 | lol | 02:43 |
| crashanddie_ | s/her/hed/ | 02:43 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: I had a comment on slashdot rathed +5 funny | 02:43 |
| crashanddie_ | fail | 02:44 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm not very much awake | 02:44 |
| wazd_ | Drunk already? :D | 02:44 |
| crashanddie_ | fucking idiot from the bank called me at 4:30 | 02:44 |
| crashanddie_ | "Mr Lauwers?" "aaaaaaarrrghh, cough cough cough yeeeaaaahhh?" | 02:45 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, I'm sorry. | 02:45 |
| crashanddie_ | "Mr Lauwers, what's your date of birth?" "What the fuck?" | 02:45 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie_, so, did somebody steal your credit card. | 02:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | "This is Adjimal Faroush from HSBC Customer Relations, a fraud warning has come up on your bank account, I just need to confirm your identity." "and?" "I need to confirm that you are the owner of the account" "and?" "What's your date of birth" "<giving my date of birth>" "I'm sorry, that's not what I have in my records" "..." | 02:47 |
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| wazd_ | "namaste" :D | 02:48 |
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| crashanddie_ | "Are you sure that's your birth date?" "Oh hang on, let me check, maybe I'm confused.... NO, I DO REMEMBER MY DATE OF BIRTH" | 02:49 |
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| crashanddie_ | Bloody plonkers | 02:49 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie_, so, did somebody steal your credit card. | 02:50 |
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| GAN900 | Ergh | 02:50 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: nope | 02:50 |
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| GAN900 | So, they have twom TVs in this room | 02:50 |
| crashanddie_ | twom? | 02:50 |
| GAN900 | One 19" which gets HD | 02:50 |
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| GAN900 | One 50" that doesn't | 02:50 |
| GAN900 | two | 02:50 |
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| * GAN900 is on day 3 bedside in the hospital. | 02:51 | |
| crashanddie_ | still for your relative? Or did you shoot yourself in the foot again? | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 02:51 |
| GAN900 | So we're watching the Superbowl on the 19" | 02:51 |
| GAN900 | Still the relative | 02:51 |
| crashanddie_ | There's your problem | 02:52 |
| crashanddie_ | you're watching the superbowl | 02:52 |
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| GAN900 | Excited for the Who at halftime. | 02:52 |
| Damion2 | mediatomb works | 02:53 |
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| Damion2 | crashanddie_: I never give my details when they phone me, I tell them they could be anyone and that they should give me a password and I'll call back to provide it to them (natwest) after which I can run through security and sort the issue out | 02:54 |
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| Damion2 | hsbc might cancel your card if you get arsy though | 02:55 |
| Damion2 | call them midland just to be sure ;) | 02:55 |
| crashanddie_ | Damion2: Actually, I have a business traveller account, they're not supposed to call me, they're not supposed to block out my card because of travel | 02:56 |
| crashanddie_ | Damion2: I pay a premium exactly because I travel so much and spend so much on hotels and rentals that if they didn't raise their fraud detection on my account, I'd be stuck 24/7 | 02:57 |
| Damion2 | I had my regular oyster automatic top-up 20quid blocked as "dangerious obscure payment detected" | 02:58 |
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| Damion2 | and I didn't know until my oyster stopped working, at which point I "had words" with them | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | oyster? | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 02:59 |
| crashanddie_ | basically, the way fraud detection works is that every day they have the amount of the transaction, multiplied by the country code, which is a risk factor, multiplied by the age of the card holder, as a risk factor as well | 03:00 |
| Damion2 | if you're not british you'll need to bing it | 03:00 |
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| crashanddie_ | there's another few factors, for example travel rate over the past 2 months, etc, etc | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: not someone who goes near london | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: also multiplied by how annoying it'd be to detect the fraud. | 03:01 |
| Damion2 | crashanddie_: for hsbc? I'm sure natwest decided to save money on the contracter rates for the programmer who could write that and got a temp to just have a routine return rand() | 03:01 |
| crashanddie_ | they go through the list by order of transaction (biggest first), and they can only handle that many transactions per day. This means that if you have fraud going for $20 on your account, there's a good chance they won't spot it. A payment of $3000 in Australia, however, is pretty surely going to be called as a bluff | 03:01 |
| Damion2 | that reminds me I'm off to singapore and newzealand in a few days, I wonder if warning them in advance will help | 03:02 |
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| Damion2 | my n97 took >30mins to pick up gps after being unused for weeks and not having a sim | 03:02 |
| crashanddie_ | (or worse, $8000 in India, as I had it happen two weeks ago. I only spotted it when I looked at my statement and saw a 4000 pound credit on my account with a "Fraud reimbursement" message, they didn't even call me) | 03:02 |
| Damion2 | which relates to that bug on the gps on the n900 | 03:02 |
| Damion2 | if you can't use agps things are painful | 03:03 |
| * Damion2 uses his cards a lot, I'm quite surprised I've never had any fraud | 03:03 | |
| Damion2 | I've had my cc since about 94 | 03:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | paypal are currently screwing india | 03:04 |
| Damion2 | and same sort/acc on my current, never seen any sign of naughtyness, just been called loads of times whenever I buy somethuing | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/07/1830222/Paypal-Reverses-Payments-Made-To-Indians | 03:04 |
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| Damion2 | okay bedtime | 03:05 |
| crashanddie_ | the thing that pisses me off is that they'll call you at whatever time is convenient for them | 03:05 |
| crashanddie_ | without thinking that, if there's a transaction in Australia, you might BE THER | 03:06 |
| crashanddie_ | +E | 03:06 |
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| qole | someone send me a message with "qole," to test my N900 notify please? | 03:07 |
| crashanddie_ | qole: | 03:07 |
| crashanddie_ | qole, | 03:07 |
| crashanddie_ | qole_ | 03:07 |
| crashanddie_ | qole> | 03:07 |
| crashanddie_ | test for qole | 03:07 |
| qole | ok not working thanks | 03:07 |
| crashanddie_ | test for qole, | 03:07 |
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| qole | again? | 03:09 |
| qole | crashanddie_, again? | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | qole: no | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | qole: | 03:10 |
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| crashanddie_ | qole, | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | qole_ | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | test for qole | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | test for qole, | 03:10 |
| qole | argh, what am I doing wrong? | 03:11 |
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| qole | gotta figure out to get external program to do notify? | 03:11 |
| GAN900 | Ah, that was a good halftime show. | 03:13 |
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| qole | trying to get this to work: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=477505&postcount=22 | 03:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer fsckng wonders where those polite customs to mention original author have been gone | 03:22 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Send a DCMA takedown notice | 03:25 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: on what groups? | 03:26 |
| luke-jr | grounds* | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I was assuming form context that he wrote the above script | 03:26 |
| fabter | hello. I wanted to know if its true that the nseries will all be running maemo by 2012 bc in that case ill hold off the n900 foe rhe moment as im happy with my e71 right now | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ask muhamadAG | 03:27 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: if so, then it would be copyright infringement, not mere lack of polite customs | 03:27 |
| fabter | does anyone know | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | fabter: essentially little has been published about what's to occur | 03:28 |
| fabter | ok thanks | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I would be surprised if they dropped sybian entirely. | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | m | 03:28 |
| luke-jr | fabter: Nseries *already* runs Maemo... | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | some of them | 03:29 |
| fabter | luke yes but not the main line | 03:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | n97 | 03:29 |
| fabter | N97 | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | n95 | 03:29 |
| luke-jr | N97 is considered Nseries? | 03:29 |
| fabter | They do? | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | n770/n800/n810/n900 all run maemo | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | no others do | 03:29 |
| fabter | I thought u could not install another os withput serious hacking | 03:29 |
| fabter | Those are tablets matw | 03:29 |
| fabter | Mate | 03:29 |
| nomis | SpeedEvil: n770 does not exist and the 770 is not Nseries :) | 03:29 |
| fabter | Hehe | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 03:30 |
| * SpeedEvil is mostly asleep | 03:30 | |
| luke-jr | nomis: nonsense, the kernel source clearly refer to it as N770 :)\ | 03:30 |
| fabter | i dont underatand why they dont drop symbian | 03:30 |
| fabter | is it snappier better battery life or what | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | fabter: because there is enormous mind-share in it in and out of nokia | 03:30 |
| fabter | what is mindshare? | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-07 19:24:16] <MohammadAG_> and I gave him your method for xchat notifications [2010-02-07 19:25:17] <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, http://i49.tinypic.com/of9c7n.png | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | even if maemo was better in every aspect - it wouldn't be droped immediately | 03:31 |
| fabter | Ahh | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | mindshare is the dominance of an idea in peoples thoughts. | 03:31 |
| fabter | Well i like symbian as i said i have an e71 and love it | 03:31 |
| fabter | But apps from one edition are no good for the next | 03:32 |
| fabter | Makes me think twice about buying apps etc. | 03:32 |
| fabter | Ahh ok thanks for explainign | 03:32 |
| fabter | Im actually chatting from symbian now hehhe | 03:32 |
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| qole | can someone please send a message starting with "qole," | 03:33 |
| fabter | qole hi | 03:33 |
| qole | woo hoo it notified me! | 03:33 |
| luke-jr | wasn't Symbian just opened? | 03:33 |
| fabter | Haha | 03:34 |
| fabter | yeah i heard that | 03:34 |
| fabter | What diff does that make for people who already have phones? | 03:34 |
| qole | using this script http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=477505&postcount=22 | 03:34 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, EPL, basically Android. | 03:34 |
| GAN900 | "opened" | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: meaning what? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | qole: you have a script somewhere like http://pastebin.com/m33ae300f, you entered the full pathname to that file for audioplayer in xchat settings, and you configured to play some soundfile for highlights? | 03:35 |
| GAN900 | i.e., operators can close it up whenever they want. | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | Android is AFAIK more open than Maemo, on some phones | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: how about Nokia phones that shipped with it? | 03:35 |
| GAN900 | Not licensing wise, though. | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: licensing wise, all I care about is drivers, so GPL | 03:35 |
| qole | DocScrutinizer, used this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=477505&postcount=22 | 03:35 |
| GAN900 | Android isn't GPL | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: Android's kernel is GPL. | 03:36 |
| fabter | Its not? | 03:36 |
| microlith | luke-jr: captain obvious, is that you? | 03:36 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, they'd love it if it weren't | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: so would Nokia, I bet | 03:36 |
| fabter | ok people im off to sleep | 03:36 |
| GAN900 | Android is all about putting power in the hands of operators. | 03:36 |
| fabter | See ya later | 03:36 |
| fabter | Keep up the good work | 03:37 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, depends on who at Nokia you're talking to. | 03:37 |
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| qole | then I had to set Channel Msg Hilight to a sound file name. | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | qole: I seen this. Actually I've not seen you put it to work finally | 03:37 |
| GAN900 | I'm sure the S60 guys would. | 03:37 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: oh, so 100% of the Android camp is anti-GPL? | 03:37 |
| zerojay | Anyone here a fan of the di.fm streams and doesn't mind testing something out for me? | 03:37 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, nothing wrong with EPL | 03:38 |
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| qole | the N900 buzzes, LED flashes, and I used message sound | 03:38 |
| qole | /usr/share/sounds/chat-msg_in_bg.wav | 03:39 |
| qole | Now I can leave xchat open in the bg and my N900 will notify me if someone asks me a question! | 03:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qole: actually my original script had no stupid 'sound_file=/path/to/your/sound/file' and used 'aplay $1' istead | 03:41 |
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| qole | DocScrutinizer, that makes more sense. | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you can set up the sound via xchat's standard config dialog | 03:42 |
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| qole | DocScrutinizer, did you make that script and 'Master Po' stole it, or are you 'Master Po'? | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | #1 it seems | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'd not claim he stole it. maybe just same idea | 03:46 |
| qole | Mapping fn-right to Tab is very very helpful in XChat!! | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | qole: doesn't work on QWERTZU kbd. blue-right is down | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm using shift-space now | 03:47 |
| qole | DocScrutinizer, (just used it there!) whatever key works for you! Tab is so important! | 03:49 |
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| qole | I really don't understand how they could not have a Tab key on the N900. | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | qole: well they should have thought about a better slide mechanism to free up space for a whole 4th row of keys on kbd | 03:52 |
| qole | DocScrutinizer, yes t | 03:52 |
| qole | DocScrutinizer, yes an extra row would be nice... I hit the Enter key too easily too :) | 03:53 |
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| qole | xchat for N900 just needs one of those Hildon pannable areas instead of the scrollbar area... | 03:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup, eventually finally. For now I'd be happy with larger hot-area for the scrollbuttons, or even better a keymapping for line-by-line scroll | 03:58 |
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| ohhhhhh | Hello | 04:04 |
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| ohhhhhh | What format does the camcorder from the N900 record in | 04:05 |
| zerojay | What's the max icon size now for packages? 48x48? | 04:05 |
| ohhhhhh | *doesnt own a N900* | 04:05 |
| ohhhhhh | I dont think anyone here ever speaks | 04:06 |
| ohhhhhh | =/ | 04:06 |
| gouverneur | ??? | 04:07 |
| luke-jr | ohhhhhh: they're all n00bs watching violence on TV probably | 04:07 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 04:07 |
| ohhhhhh | maybe so | 04:07 |
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| luke-jr | ohhhhhh: but I don't have a N900 either, so I can't help | 04:07 |
| ohhhhhh | oh, well Im thinking of buying one, but trying to get more info | 04:07 |
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| ohhhhhh | im tied between a Nexus 1 and an N900 | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | ohhhhhh: wait for Nexus Two? :p | 04:08 |
| ohhhhhh | my previous Nokia N95 was a great phone | 04:08 |
| ohhhhhh | Well, so far, the video recording abilities on the current Nexus 1 dont look that great to me | 04:08 |
| ohhhhhh | My N95 shot great pics and video | 04:08 |
| ohhhhhh | in mp4 format | 04:08 |
| ohhhhhh | Current android goes to 3pg format , which is terrible for me to work with and poor quality | 04:09 |
| luke-jr | dunno, if I want to record video I'd use a video cam | 04:09 |
| ohhhhhh | sighh, not me | 04:09 |
| ohhhhhh | If I want video, I want it on the best handheld phone device I can get | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 -> mp4 | 04:09 |
| ohhhhhh | nice, would you say the quality is better, or the same as the N95? or other nokia phones? | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 04:10 |
| ohhhhhh | what about using daily apps | 04:10 |
| ohhhhhh | like facebook , twitter, IM | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | ohhhhhh: N900 isn't phone | 04:11 |
| Damion2 | n97 is the better upgrade over n95. n900 is a fantastic iphone killer, ideal for unix geeks but lacking a ton of features | 04:11 |
| ohhhhhh | i know its a fuckin tablet | 04:11 |
| ohhhhhh | that makes phone calls | 04:11 |
| ohhhhhh | = phone to me | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | tablet's can't do that. | 04:11 |
| ohhhhhh | what would you say compared N97 to the N900 | 04:11 |
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| ohhhhhh | I know the N900 has to be faster | 04:12 |
| ohhhhhh | for sure | 04:12 |
| Damion2 | hmm | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | N97 is Symbian | 04:12 |
| ohhhhhh | yup | 04:12 |
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| luke-jr | N900 is based on Linux | 04:12 |
| Damion2 | the cpu is quicker but it's apples n oranges | 04:12 |
| ohhhhhh | my N95 was always laggy even with a task killer | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | twitter, facebook, other crap there's installers for that which come preinstalled on N900. Never tried one of them | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | Maemo | 04:12 |
| ohhhhhh | Also had a Nokia E71 , but was sad that nokia never cared much about the firmware after release to ever update to fix issues with the camera | 04:13 |
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| ohhhhhh | so I gave up waiting and sold it | 04:13 |
| ohhhhhh | video quality was poor on that phone | 04:13 |
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| ohhhhhh | great device otherwise | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | ohhhhhh: that's pretty common for Nokia in general, at least after some time | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | rule of thumb: if you wonder to get either iPhone or N900, then you for sure should get iPhone | 04:14 |
| Damion2 | I'm forcing myself to use the n900 and fix the stuff I want on it to work | 04:14 |
| ohhhhhh | the iphone is garbage | 04:14 |
| Damion2 | n97 is kinda better otherwise | 04:14 |
| gouverneur | ohhhhhh: true | 04:14 |
| ohhhhhh | I use a mytouch3g which I have rooted | 04:14 |
| Damion2 | the shell for me a unix geek is **cking great to have on the n900 | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | GPS never really worked on N810; N900 sounds like it's better, but has some other issues that are "fixed in Maemo 6" (which won't support N900) | 04:14 |
| ohhhhhh | I enjoy it, but the cam is trash | 04:14 |
| ohhhhhh | I enjoyed the G1 layout better | 04:15 |
| Damion2 | luke-jr: oh, that was confirmed? where was the article? | 04:15 |
| ohhhhhh | what do you mean Maemo 6 wont support it? Since when? | 04:15 |
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| ohhhhhh | I dont believe that | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: spreading unconfirmed FUD on maemo6 isn't helpful | 04:15 |
| luke-jr | Damion2: no idea | 04:15 |
| ohhhhhh | agreed | 04:15 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: didn't some Nokia rep say that M6 won't suport N900? | 04:16 |
| Damion2 | nope | 04:16 |
| ohhhhhh | I personally feel Nokia is putting more into this, as it might be the future of Nokia, no my symbian | 04:16 |
| gouverneur | ohhhhhh: luke-jr not yet | 04:16 |
| Damion2 | some guy at some conf claims to have heard it at the sme conf others didn't hear the same thing | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | at the very least, isn't it confirmed that M6 requires multitouch? | 04:16 |
| gouverneur | luke-jr: nope | 04:17 |
| Damion2 | multitouch on m6 needs multitouch | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nope, it will *support* mt | 04:17 |
| luke-jr | what was GeneralAntilles ranting about the other day then? <.< | 04:17 |
| gouverneur | and what means "needs multitouch"??? for some freaking gestures? | 04:17 |
| ohhhhhh | What about skype video calls with it, does that work currently? | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 04:17 |
| Damion2 | I suspect they might have libs and api for mt which some enterprising souls port to kludged mt on reistikve | 04:17 |
| Damion2 | ohhhhhh: only voice, fring might do skype vid. google video talk works | 04:18 |
| ohhhhhh | odd that google video talk would work and not skype video humm | 04:18 |
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| Damion2 | google is more open? there are other im clients support it I believe | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | skype is **crypted** binary crap, proprietary, and really poor coding | 04:20 |
| Damion2 | skype has annoyingly become a defacto standard with reliable multiplatform clients | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the frontcam was err... suboptimal quality with previous maemo5 rev | 04:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how a statement like "crypted binary and poor coding" could go unnoticed. Anyway... it's true | 04:27 | |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: can you please keep your personal inflammatory opinions to yourself? | 04:29 |
| timeless_mbp | it's 3am | 04:29 |
| timeless_mbp | most sane people would be sleeping | 04:30 |
| timeless_mbp | only the physically ill would be awake | 04:30 |
| ScribbleJ | Hey, as a physically fine person, I resent that. | 04:30 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm only ill mentally. | 04:30 |
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| ScribbleJ | "That boy isn't right in the head," as grandma used to say, God rest her soul. | 04:31 |
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| Damion2 | it's only 2:30 | 04:31 |
| ScribbleJ | Only 8:30pm in Chicago. | 04:32 |
| b-man17 | 9:30pm here | 04:32 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr: gps on n810 and n900 are pretty similar ime | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | but i never hasd issues with n810 gps either | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: some 1.5 years ago it really sucked | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then they came up with AGPS, and that made quite a difference | 04:34 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 04:35 |
| ShadowJK | even without agps, it had acquired lock if I switched it on, put it in car, started car, unplugged car, wiped snow off car | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | now the major diff between N810 and N900 GPS is: N900 has less problems to support internet access for AGPS | 04:36 |
| ShadowJK | and it should deal better with large moves between gps uses too | 04:37 |
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| qole | grr, i keep getting kicked... inactivity tieout? | 04:43 |
| microlith | * qole (~qole@Maemo/community/council/qole) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | 04:43 |
| b-man17 | hey qole :) | 04:43 |
| qole | microlith, thanks. I have to ping every 240 seconds? Maybe Maemo xchat hangs up? | 04:44 |
| microlith | qole: it pings more frequently, freenode just kills you after 240 seconds | 04:44 |
| microlith | I've only had issues when I flop back and forth between wifi and gprs | 04:45 |
| Damion2 | well of course | 04:45 |
| qole | microlith, so why do I get kicked? Problem with the N900 client? | 04:45 |
| microlith | qole: no clue, I've never had issues getting punted. first thing that comes to mind is checking your connections. | 04:46 |
| Damion2 | unless you're doing some magic with vpn your ip is changing | 04:46 |
| qole | I just left the N900 sitting on the table... | 04:46 |
| qole | connected to wifi, screen off.. | 04:46 |
| zerojay | Probably powersaving or something. | 04:47 |
| microlith | probably | 04:47 |
| microlith | my router won't talk nice to my N900 with powersaving on | 04:48 |
| zerojay | I'd like to know what they changed about powersaving max so that it doesn't work for me like it used to on the N810. | 04:49 |
| qole | My router (wrt54GL) is usually excellent with N900 | 04:49 |
| qole | zerojay, I would like to know too. | 04:51 |
| zerojay | I gotta run powersaving on medium on my home wifi. | 04:51 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: GPS is completely different N810 vs N900 | 04:52 |
| * SpeedEvil wants his 600 seconds! | 04:52 | |
| SpeedEvil | 240 second pingout sucks. | 04:52 |
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| qole | How to keep XChat pinging? | 04:54 |
| zerojay | If your IRC client hasn't responded in 4 minutes, 10 minutes isn't really going to help. :) | 04:57 |
| qole | am I kicked again? | 04:59 |
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| * qole walks away again... will return in 5 minutes to see if he's been kicked... | 05:02 | |
| N900evil | zerojay, my dsl often dies for over 3 and under 9 mins | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | qole: you're not being kicked. | 05:03 |
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| qole | luke-jr, thanks for making my N900 buzz and beep so I came back before 5 minutes ;) | 05:05 |
| luke-jr | qole: ... | 05:05 |
| qole | yeah. Like that. | 05:05 |
| luke-jr | qole: qole qole | 05:06 |
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| qole | luke-jr, cut it out! | 05:07 |
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| Venst | hello, | 05:07 |
| qole | luke-jr, you are interfering with SCIENCE! | 05:07 |
| luke-jr | qole: lies | 05:08 |
| Venst | should i installed just scratchbox or maemo sdk to compile some cli applications for the n900 ? | 05:08 |
| Venst | install* | 05:08 |
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| * ShadowJK has a openvpn setup to his server to make irc cope with n900 changing from wifi to gprs etc | 05:10 | |
| ShadowJK | my wrt54gl seems to have okay powersaving, but it has srsly crappy range (less than 10m) | 05:11 |
| zerojay | N900evil: Your DSL is completely fucked then. | 05:11 |
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| * qole got kicked again... :( | 05:21 | |
| luke-jr | [21:16:18] <-- qole has left this server (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). | 05:21 |
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| crashanddie | qole: no, not kicked, your connection sucks | 05:23 |
| * qole is embarrassed. .. hit the close button accidentally... | 05:23 | |
| luke-jr | lulz | 05:23 |
| qole | but what's going on with the ping? | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | it sucks | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | qole: when I say "Ping", you reply "pong" as fast as possible, k? | 05:24 |
| qole | what? ok | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | ping | 05:25 |
| qole | I will pretype pong... | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | qole: FAIL | 05:25 |
| qole | ok ready to pong | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | ping | 05:25 |
| qole | pong | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | ping | 05:25 |
| qole | pong | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | 26 seconds | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | ping | 05:25 |
| qole | pong | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | ping | 05:25 |
| qole | pong | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | ping | 05:25 |
| qole | pong | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | ping | 05:25 |
| qole | pong | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | ping | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | pinf | 05:25 |
| qole | pong | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | ponf | 05:25 |
| qole | pinf? | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | poof? | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | ping | 05:26 |
| crashanddie | ¬ping | 05:26 |
| luke-jr | qole: SLOW! | 05:26 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 05:26 |
| infobot | ~pong | 05:26 |
| crashanddie | ~burn qole | 05:26 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over qole, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 05:26 | |
| qole | yah and what does this prove exactly? | 05:26 |
| crashanddie | ~kill qole | 05:26 |
| * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized anti-graviton gun at qole | 05:26 | |
| crashanddie | ~freeze qole | 05:26 |
| crashanddie | ~fail | 05:26 |
| infobot | somebody said fail was what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. standing in the fire. | 05:26 |
| qole | neat | 05:26 |
| qole | ~slap crashanddie | 05:27 |
| * infobot slaps crashanddie, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 05:27 | |
| qole | eheheheh | 05:27 |
| crashanddie | ~kick qole | 05:27 |
| * infobot kicks qole | 05:27 | |
| qole | ~punch infobot | 05:27 |
| * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches infobot right on the nose | 05:27 | |
| crashanddie | out for lunch, bbl | 05:28 |
| qole | how do you do the trout one? | 05:28 |
| qole | ~trout infobot | 05:28 |
| * infobot slaps infobot around a bit with a large trout! | 05:28 | |
| qole | ha yes! | 05:28 |
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| qole | ~fun | 05:29 |
| infobot | from memory, fun is what I'm not, or what I am missing | 05:29 |
| qole | ~beauty | 05:29 |
| infobot | well, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder... | 05:29 |
| qole | ~maemo | 05:29 |
| infobot | [maemo] http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml | 05:29 |
| qole | ~n900 | 05:30 |
| infobot | n900 is, like, a wooden box with stained cans inside | 05:30 |
| qole | huh? | 05:30 |
| qole | ~n800 | 05:30 |
| zerojay | ~qole | 05:30 |
| zerojay | What, no snappy insult? ;/ | 05:31 |
| qole | infobot is dead. | 05:31 |
| qole | ~trout zerojay | 05:31 |
| b-man17 | ~burn himeself | 05:31 |
| * infobot slaps zerojay around a bit with a large trout! | 05:31 | |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himeself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 05:31 | |
| qole | ~zerojay | 05:31 |
| qole | huh. Just stays silent if it doesn't know | 05:32 |
| zerojay | Any packaging geniuses awake? | 05:32 |
| qole | I know how to use py2deb! | 05:32 |
| b-man17 | ui know dpkg-#3/@?k | 05:33 |
| b-man17 | woops | 05:33 |
| b-man17 | gah | 05:33 |
| b-man17 | damn n900 kb | 05:33 |
| b-man17 | i know dpkg-dev | 05:33 |
| qole | py2deb is for packaging things that don't need to be compiled. | 05:33 |
| qole | damn nopp keyboard | 05:33 |
| zerojay | I've got an adblocking/flashblocking CSS file that I want to package to replace the disappearing adblock plus... and I'm lazy. | 05:34 |
| qole | py2deb would be perfect for a css file. | 05:34 |
| zerojay | Something's actually not working in my scratchbox anymore and it's late and I don't feel like fucking with it. | 05:34 |
| zerojay | py2deb isn't just meant for python packages? | 05:34 |
| qole | yeah I use it for all my packages, they're shell scripts and such. | 05:35 |
| zerojay | Oh, cool.. and you just run it on your device? | 05:35 |
| qole | yes | 05:36 |
| zerojay | sweet | 05:38 |
| b-man17 | does the n900 by default support m4v videos? | 05:38 |
| qole | see my git repo for an example of how to set up a project folder... https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=easy-deb-chroot;a=tree;f=fremantle/easy-deb-chroot;h=1f4aa7f114340ca9abfb2ab63e0876b5dcde36d3;hb=dab6b987af82acf4a4c93bf02418bc725c537bc5 | 05:39 |
| b-man17 | O_o | 05:39 |
| qole | yikes! | 05:39 |
| b-man17 | tinyurl plz | 05:39 |
| * zerojay browser explode. | 05:39 | |
| qole | Now THAT is a big URL | 05:39 |
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| b-man17 | lol | 05:40 |
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| b-man17 | that fills up half my screen xD | 05:40 |
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| qole | http://tinyurl.com/ycobxts | 05:42 |
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| qole | zerojay, did you see http://tinyurl.com/ycobxts | 05:44 |
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| qole | ~test | 05:49 |
| infobot | Failed! | 05:49 |
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| b-man17 | ~coin | 05:51 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, coin is flipped... heads or tails? | 05:51 |
| b-man17 | ~heads | 05:51 |
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| b-man17 | ~tails | 05:52 |
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| zerojay | qole: Yeah, thanks. | 05:52 |
| qole | hey it didn't hang up on me! | 05:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 05:54 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 05:54 |
| b-man17 | ~blow up | 05:55 |
| * infobot blows up | 05:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | tzzz | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~die | 05:55 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 05:55 | |
| b-man17 | LOL | 05:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~night | 05:59 |
| infobot | G'night docscrutinizer, get out of here. | 05:59 |
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| b-man17 | ~attack DocScrutinizer | 06:01 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing DocScrutinizer | 06:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, never knew infobot is a female | 06:01 |
| crashanddie | she isn't | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 06:02 |
| b-man17 | lol | 06:02 |
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| crashanddie | welcome to the internet, where men are men, women are men, and 8 year olds are fbi agents | 06:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ...and drunken spanish dudes fail to pass the turing test | 06:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and qole pings users and chats with bots | 06:07 |
| crashanddie | woohoo, 200th post on tmo! | 06:07 |
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| crashanddie | xnt14: hi troll | 06:10 |
| b-man17 | Vcongratulations xD | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | reading tmo? how do you manage to do so? | 06:11 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, I'm such a spammer. | 06:11 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: did you use my email address for porn sites again? | 06:12 |
| xnt14 | crashanddie: lol | 06:12 |
| b-man17 | xnt14 is a troll ? - i talk to him all the time :/ | 06:12 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: at least try abstinence while you're in the hospital | 06:12 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, nah, just breached 5000 posts on tmo months ago. | 06:13 |
| xnt14 | crashanddie: btw I saw your edit on the hak5 wiki. heh :P | 06:13 |
| xnt14 | on the community projects section | 06:13 |
| Venst | what toolchain should i use with scratchbox for the n900? | 06:13 |
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| Venst | scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.3-glibc2.3? | 06:14 |
| Venst | or scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.2-uclibc20040229? | 06:14 |
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| GAN900 | 5 UNCONFIRMED crit+ bugs in the past 24 hours | 06:14 |
| GAN900 | bleh | 06:14 |
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| crashanddie_ | sorry, I probably missed some stuff | 06:16 |
| * GAN900 rubs temples at http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8896 | 06:16 | |
| povbot | Bug 8896: Microphone is dead | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, maemo stabilizes :-P | 06:16 |
| GAN900 | Is he opening a support ticket there? | 06:16 |
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| crashanddie__ | djeezus | 06:17 |
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| crashanddie | that's what you get for using webchat over ssh over vpn | 06:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer cackles | 06:18 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | how's mic connected to GSM technically? | 06:26 |
| GAN900 | Telepathy and Pulse | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the codec is on AP? | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | or I2S to GSM, plain audio? | 06:28 |
| Venst | guys, what toolchain should be used with scratchbox for the n900 ? | 06:29 |
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| Venst | and btw im installingg just scratchbox not the maemo SDK, i would need the sdk to compile some cli software , correct? | 06:30 |
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| Venst | wouldnt* | 06:31 |
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| ScribbleJ | When I use my TV out the output is extremely dim and oversaturated. Anyone else have this problem? My googling is not helpful. :( | 06:35 |
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| BalSak | !ISO | 06:37 |
| microlith | o_O | 06:38 |
| microlith | BalSak: looking for something? | 06:38 |
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| BalSak | is there an ISO or live image I cvan use for an into to maemo, please. wanna load it on an SD card to test on my netbook | 06:38 |
| microlith | maemo doesn't work like that | 06:38 |
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| microlith | you could grab one of the SDK VM images though | 06:39 |
| BalSak | microlith: really. a while back I had an image (v3 I think) that I loaded in a x86-based VM | 06:39 |
| BalSak | ak | 06:39 |
| BalSak | ah' | 06:39 |
| BalSak | thnx | 06:39 |
| microlith | no clue, didn't use it until maemo 5 myself | 06:40 |
| BalSak | so, what? do I use the SDK to build an image to use? (excuse my ignorance) | 06:41 |
| ptl | all the instructions are on the maemo wiki | 06:41 |
| ScribbleJ | The SDK includes an "Emulator" | 06:41 |
| ptl | wiki.maemo.org | 06:42 |
| ptl | or you can google for it | 06:42 |
| ptl | 'install maemo 5' | 06:42 |
| ptl | the VM environment is called scratchbox. | 06:42 |
| BalSak | sweet. thanks | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | Essentially there is no installable "maemo distro", and there is no emulator. There is the SDK environment, which is a bare-minimum for developers to test their own GUI apps. | 06:43 |
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| BalSak | embedded-device approach? similar to the droid? | 06:43 |
| BalSak | I've only started getting into embedded recently (ALIX), so it's a bit fresh to me | 06:44 |
| ptl | I don't understand your question | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | BalSak: you can compile your app to run on x86 and test it on your desktop. scratchbox provides the needed libs | 06:46 |
| ShadowJK | I heard it's a bit slow because the SDK does OpenGL ES in software | 06:46 |
| BalSak | scratchbox is new to me..... already running VM env, so will have to check if it's all ok | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | BalSak: think of it like running win-apps under wine | 06:47 |
| BalSak | userspace dev env? chrooted & all? | 06:47 |
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| ptl | yes | 06:48 |
| ptl | chrooted and all. | 06:48 |
| BalSak | cool | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK | seems like a mix of chroot and qemu-powered arm->x86 interpeter | 06:48 |
| ptl | and you use all the regular linux tools like fakeroot, apt-get, autotools, the GNU toolchain and so on | 06:49 |
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| villager | and the Debian toolchain | 06:50 |
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| BalSak | think I'll try & get it working in a VM & then port it to an SD for use as a bootable distro for my netbook | 06:51 |
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| * BalSak hopes | 06:51 | |
| ptl | hey guys, do you have a good source of backgrouns/wallpapers for the N900? | 06:51 |
| ptl | *backgrounds | 06:51 |
| villager | www.n900wallpapers.com | 06:52 |
| BalSak | mk | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | you might also want to check out Mer | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | ~mer | 06:52 |
| infobot | well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 06:52 |
| BalSak | thnx guys | 06:52 |
| BalSak | c ya l8r | 06:52 |
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| ptl | thanks | 06:53 |
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| zerojay | Anyone with access to the packages awake? | 06:56 |
| pronto | *sigh* it sucks having to waitt for a new n900 x.x | 06:56 |
| pronto | btw newegg is awesome, they're replacing a broken n900 ^_^ | 06:57 |
| zerojay | Agreed. Waited a few months after my prototype broke to get a replacement retail. | 06:57 |
| pronto | lol | 06:57 |
| pronto | my retail onoe broke | 06:57 |
| pronto | luckly in less then 30days | 06:57 |
| pronto | and newegg is replacying it | 06:57 |
| zerojay | The micro USB? | 06:57 |
| pronto | yep | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | pronto: bet you had to pay shipping again tho | 06:57 |
| pronto | nope | 06:57 |
| pronto | newegg did | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | both ways | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | ? | 06:58 |
| pronto | yep | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | interesting | 06:58 |
| zerojay | Yeah, when I told them what happened and said that I hope that this problem didn't make it into retail... they told me not to worry. | 06:58 |
| pronto | well its still in transit | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | but will the new one survive? :P | 06:58 |
| zerojay | Plenty worried now. | 06:58 |
| pronto | lol | 06:58 |
| pronto | luke-jr: i'm going to file down those hooks of doom on the charger | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | zerojay: it appears someone figured out a workaround tho | 06:58 |
| * luke-jr doesn't get why the hooks make the difference, but whatever :) | 06:59 | |
| pronto | they latch on | 06:59 |
| pronto | fileing them down allows the cable to slip out easy | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | so it's not that the port is weak, but that the hooks don't detach properly? | 06:59 |
| pronto | incase there is any pressure on it | 06:59 |
| pronto | the port is weak as well | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | hm | 06:59 |
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| pronto | man i was pissed when that happned though | 07:00 |
| pronto | since money wise me being that phone probally was a really bad idea | 07:00 |
| * microlith ponders why mount is not accepting the user parameter | 07:00 | |
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| TRX_ | hello, | 07:01 |
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| TRX_ | i already have scratchbox installed, would i need to use these install scripts that are provided in the wiki ? | 07:03 |
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| TRX_ | as in, does it do more than just install scratchbox ? for example , configure it ? | 07:04 |
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| * TRX_ looks around | 07:08 | |
| TRX_ | where are all the gurus today? | 07:08 |
| ScribbleJ | Yes, it's configures it. | 07:08 |
| ScribbleJ | -'s | 07:08 |
| TRX_ | oh, thats too bad | 07:09 |
| TRX_ | scribblej, you think i'd need the full sdk even if i dont need emulation ? | 07:10 |
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| ScribbleJ | What do you need? | 07:10 |
| ScribbleJ | I'd say yes. | 07:10 |
| TRX_ | as in, im not going to doing any gui applications | 07:10 |
| ScribbleJ | So... how do you plan on compiling your non-gui applications? | 07:11 |
| microlith | custom make script + arm compiler | 07:11 |
| microlith | :) | 07:11 |
| TRX_ | ScribbleJ : isnt that what scratchbox is for ? | 07:11 |
| TRX_ | you see, i was reading this http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman/2009/09/03/writing-apps-for-the-n900-part-1/ | 07:12 |
| TRX_ | and it reads that i need scratchbox , so i installed it :D | 07:12 |
| ScribbleJ | Ah. | 07:13 |
| ScribbleJ | Well, good luck continuing then. | 07:13 |
| ScribbleJ | That tutorial obviously assumes that you have installed the SDK and are using the scratchbox environment it provides. | 07:13 |
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| ptl | I didn't know about Mer | 07:16 |
| ptl | does Mer run on N900? | 07:16 |
| ptl | I mean, using all its devices | 07:16 |
| TRX_ | ScribbleJ : the guy is saying that the desktop environment inside scratchbox isnt needed to just compile applications, thats not correct ? | 07:16 |
| villager | TRX_: that's what a *configured* scratchbox is for, yes... | 07:16 |
| ScribbleJ | TRX, who cares about the desktop environment? | 07:17 |
| ScribbleJ | I don't, you don't. YOu coudl have installed the SDK in the amount of time you've been worrying abotu whether you shoudl install it. | 07:17 |
| TRX_ | not really mate | 07:17 |
| ScribbleJ | There's a lot of other shit that goes into it, like the proper glibc version, kernel headers, apt packages, standard libraries to link against, yadda. | 07:18 |
| TRX_ | running on 256k connections, 400mb takes a lot of time. | 07:18 |
| ScribbleJ | You do what makes you happy. | 07:18 |
| ScribbleJ | When you fail, you can go back and try the SDK. | 07:18 |
| TRX_ | lol | 07:18 |
| microlith | you'll be downloading a ton of stuff either way | 07:19 |
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| microlith | does the N900 (or busybox?) respect /etc/fstab? | 07:22 |
| pronto | http://i.imgur.com/hi6Lf.jpg the only photo of the super bowl you need >.> | 07:23 |
| ScribbleJ | Yes and no | 07:23 |
| ScribbleJ | /etc/fstab is "respected" but you'll have to edit one of the default boot scripts in order to stop it from being overwritten; by default n900 creates new fstab on boot. | 07:23 |
| microlith | oh | 07:23 |
| microlith | ScribbleJ: do you know if busybox's mount command respects the "user" parameter, or is that somewhere else down the line? | 07:24 |
| ScribbleJ | That I do not know. | 07:24 |
| microlith | ok | 07:24 |
| microlith | thanks for the warning about fstab though | 07:24 |
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| TRX_ | "Need to get 375MB/425MB of archives!" | 07:28 |
| TRX_ | :( | 07:28 |
| ptl | what country are you from? Even here in Brazil we have bigger speeds | 07:29 |
| TRX_ | lebanon. | 07:30 |
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| TRX_ | ScribbleJ : so, this configured scratchbox alone would allow me to compile cli applications ? | 07:30 |
| ScribbleJ | Yes, easy as pie. | 07:31 |
| ScribbleJ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 07:31 |
| TRX_ | great. | 07:31 |
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| TRX_ | nice. | 07:34 |
| TRX_ | ScribbleJ : would i also need to install maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh to endup with a configured scratchbox ? | 07:35 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm not completely sure... I used the GUI installer. | 07:35 |
| ScribbleJ | Heh | 07:35 |
| ScribbleJ | But there are detailed instructions on maemo.org | 07:36 |
| TRX_ | :S | 07:36 |
| TRX_ | ok | 07:36 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: Awake? | 07:39 |
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| MistaED | hi, can anyone else download the firefox mobile browser using their site on the n900? i try but it never downloads properly from the regular browser, maybe it just "knows" :) | 07:48 |
| microlith | hm | 07:53 |
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| microlith | does make menuconfig not work in scratchbox? | 07:53 |
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| microlith | ah, modules.dep | 08:45 |
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| Jaffa | Next issue of Maemo Weekly News out: http://www.mwkn.net/ | 09:31 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all, BTW | 09:33 |
| * microlith wonders what he's missing | 09:33 | |
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| microlith | is there anything beyond the "user" parameter required in an fstab entry to allow users to initiate a mount? | 09:34 |
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| mece | How's the maemonian revolution going? We taken up arms yet? | 09:38 |
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| mece | I guess not. | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | so, lest people think that only people who work on Maemo can't spell | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/source/badwords.txt | 09:40 |
| thresh | moroning | 09:41 |
| adeus | yeah | 09:42 |
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| adeus | "symbian" is on that list | 09:42 |
| adeus | excellent | 09:42 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: "acception" is pretty bad :( | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | adeus: it's a proper noun | 09:43 |
| timeless_mbp | 'microsoft' and 'intel' will be on another list from another corner | 09:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | obviously i don't claim that i'm catching 100% of all errors while reading through this | 09:44 |
| timeless_mbp | you're free to browse the two corners of the source tree, they're exposed via mxr | 09:44 |
| timeless_mbp | that list is from the first corner | 09:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm working backwards from the 'k's in the second corner right now | 09:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | i think my favorite 'word' fwiw is "pleaseletmelive" which won't appear on the wordlist | 09:45 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: How apt for Symbian ;-) | 09:45 |
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| microlith | is it busybox or the kernel telling me that the "user" parameter for an fstab entry is invalid? | 09:50 |
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| microlith | thank you busybox, for being a roadblock | 09:53 |
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| ptl | is it just me or the openarena-data is present on the repositories but openarena isn't? | 09:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's probably more fun like that | 10:00 |
| koala_man | just you | 10:00 |
| timeless_mbp | bring your own game engine :) | 10:00 |
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| ptl | I am using scratchbox | 10:05 |
| adeus | Conflicts: openarena (<< 0.7.6) | 10:07 |
| adeus | they even don't like each other :) | 10:07 |
| ptl | you do have openarena on your repositories? | 10:08 |
| adeus | no | 10:08 |
| ptl | can you do a apt-cache policy openarena | 10:08 |
| ptl | oh | 10:08 |
| koala_man | apt-cache shows openarena on my device. are you using the x86 repo? | 10:09 |
| ptl | yes | 10:09 |
| ptl | if you do apt-cache policy openarena | 10:09 |
| ptl | you can see where it comes from | 10:09 |
| adeus | yeah the pkg is available in arm repo | 10:10 |
| ptl | not on the x86? | 10:10 |
| adeus | seems so | 10:10 |
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| ptl | I'll change to the arm repo as soon as I finish some download here | 10:10 |
| ptl | thanks | 10:10 |
| timeless_mbp | there's no 'arm' repo | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | there's merely a client expressing a preference for the 'arm' architecture | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | (you can actually ask your client to express a preference for an architecture you don't have) | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | my opensolaris-nexenta-intel client often expressed a preference for linux-maemo-arm | 10:13 |
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| ptl | I used the wrong word | 10:14 |
| ptl | s/arm repo/arm target/ | 10:14 |
| ptl | sorry. | 10:14 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: what tool do you use for your pictures? | 10:23 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: iPhoto is pretty ridiculous, Aperture wasn't any better (no RAW support for my camera), I'm trying Lightroom now | 10:23 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | morning X-Fade, wb from vacation | 10:35 |
| X-Fade | hi Stskeeps, thanks ;) Need coffee when looking at the email backlog... | 10:36 |
| tekojo | Morning! | 10:36 |
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| RST38h | Mourning X-Fade | 10:36 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Once you get through your coffee, Maemo5 Downloads page is stuck at Vulture's Eye again. | 10:36 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I'll have a look. | 10:37 |
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| aslani | What's wrong with Vulture's Eye ;) | 10:39 |
| * asj_ listens to the shuttle launch | 10:42 | |
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| X-Fade | asj_: Yeah, always cool to watch. | 10:43 |
| asj_ | good time for us here this time | 10:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | line 38 -- has been retrieved. It also implementeds the MGenericTimerClient | 10:49 |
| * timeless_mbp makes a mental note to kill file bugs against xerces | 10:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | implementational | 10:50 |
| Corsac | implementeds, nice | 10:50 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Does the browser put temp downloads on rootfs? | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: i'm not really sure | 10:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | in general, we're mostly screwed | 10:51 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: I got an out of diskspace error. | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | /tmp has no space | 10:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | so it's possible we used /tmp :) | 10:52 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: While downloading a 35MB podcast with my browser ;) | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | MyDocs doesn't exist often enough | 10:52 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: /home/user/ ? | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: my bet is on /tmp | 10:52 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: That is where apt puts it's cache. | 10:52 |
| Corsac | just download to /dev/null, there's plenty of room | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | right, we could use /home/user | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: sadly the results for a user aren't better than /tmp | 10:52 |
| Corsac | good point | 10:53 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Seems silly that I can't download multiple larger files while I have a massive amount of space left everywhere else ;) | 10:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: /home/user might be ok, of course we'd pay a penalty later when we move it | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it's 10am | 10:53 |
| ifreq | 11 | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | none of us are really awake this early on a monday | 10:53 |
| ifreq | @work | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | ???? | 10:54 |
| ifreq | 11am @work. | 10:54 |
| * Corsac confirms 1000 | 10:54 | |
| ifreq | i think most are @school or @work ;) | 10:54 |
| Corsac | well, technically 0954 | 10:54 |
| ifreq | tea -> | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac's right I meant: "it isn't even 10 am...." | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and 'us' = my browser team, not 'us #maemo people' | 10:55 |
| Corsac | that just means it's even less possible for people to be awake at that time on monday | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: for kicks, change /tmp to be a symlink to /home/user/tmp | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | what happens? | 10:55 |
| Corsac | now, time for C8H10N4O2 | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | probably havoc, timeless_mbp | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | as dsmesock and friends are in there | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: i think we were historically ordered not to write to /home/user because people were afraid we'd ruin the file system | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | (same reason we didn't have disk cache...) | 10:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | Corsac: is that caffeine? because it isn't sugar | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | indeed | 10:57 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Yeah, but it can't be much worse than filling up rootfs ;) | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: /tmp isn't the rootfs | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it's memfs or something wonky | 10:58 |
| kynky | df -h | 10:58 |
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| * timeless_mbp is lazy | 10:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok 'tmpfs' | 10:58 |
| timeless_mbp | picky | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | Ah, yes. | 10:59 |
| kynky | basically a ramdisk | 10:59 |
| timeless_mbp | memfs, ramfs, ramdisk, whatever | 10:59 |
| kynky | :) | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Nah, that seems weird. That is very small. | 10:59 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: I usually take sugar with my caffeine though | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Can't imagine that you use that. | 10:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: well, we have lsof, you can verify fairly easily :) | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Only 1MB? | 11:00 |
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| kynky | well makes sense to,/tmp implies that files could be written there alot, as you dont want todo needless writes to flash, then do it to ram | 11:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: how'd you download the file? | 11:02 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't want to invent steps to reproduce | 11:02 | |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw in Gecko there are something like 7 different 'download' paths | 11:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | so asking me to guess your steps to reproduce is a recipe for fail | 11:02 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Go to http://twit.tv and download a few podcasts there. | 11:03 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: 2 at the same time will do nicely. | 11:03 |
| kynky | use wget ? | 11:03 |
| cvandonderen | Hiya, does anybody know where to get that N900 Windows 7 x64 RNDIS driver? I downloaded it on my laptop, but can't find it on the internet anymore | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | rndis? | 11:04 |
| cvandonderen | yeah, like normal windows .inf file | 11:04 |
| cvandonderen | there is one for the old tablets | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | rndis has nothing to do with .inf files | 11:04 |
| cvandonderen | so I can do USB networking | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | what is rndis? | 11:04 |
| cvandonderen | Remote Network something | 11:04 |
| cvandonderen | it was on some forum and uploaded to megaupload | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: pretend i'm totally unfamiliar w/ this 'podcast' stuff | 11:05 |
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| cvandonderen | for use with MADDE and all | 11:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | i clicked your http://twit.tv link | 11:05 |
| cvandonderen | now I get "RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget" no driver found | 11:05 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: urls in pm. | 11:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: i'm not seeing any /tmp or other interesting paths | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it's just supposedly saving in .documents which is where i told it to | 11:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | and they're both growing at reasonable rates | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Hmm weird. Ok will try to find out what happened exactly. | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not using 1.1 ... | 11:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | and i do have a disk cache in theory | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | my device was flashed on thursday before i flew to Paris | 11:12 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Mine a week before that. | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm fairly certain nothing interesting has changed in that interval | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | i have 23mb free on / | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | 900k on /tmp | 11:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | 1.6g on /home | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | 24.8g on /home/user/MyDocs | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | no microSD | 11:14 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Welcome back! | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Thanks | 11:19 |
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| woglinde | jo | 11:25 |
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| bigbrovar | hi guys | 11:27 |
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| mece | hello | 11:34 |
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| vallhalla81 | Good morning all | 11:40 |
| mece | mornin | 11:40 |
| woglinde | all back from fosdem? | 11:40 |
| vallhalla81 | Ello how are you? | 11:40 |
| mgedmin | is fosdem over already? | 11:41 |
| woglinde | yeah | 11:41 |
| woglinde | fosdem is only sat/sun | 11:41 |
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| DanielW | hi | 11:44 |
| mece | Hey! | 11:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | wait | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | what time zone am i in? | 11:45 |
| mece | is there supposed to be two hildon-home processes running? | 11:45 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, EET? | 11:46 |
| timeless_mbp | my mac thought i was in paris | 11:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and my n900 thought i was in berlin | 11:46 |
| mece | that's the same timezone | 11:46 |
| mece | CET | 11:46 |
| ifreq | is there a pdf reader out which allows vertical reading? | 11:46 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, but you're right, i'm not in CET, i'm physically in HEL=EET | 11:46 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 11:47 | |
| * timeless_mbp needs to file a bug about calendar | 11:47 | |
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| timeless_mbp | mece: can you test something for me? | 11:47 |
| mece | sure. | 11:47 |
| mece | I'm in Tku, so EEt here too. | 11:47 |
| TRX_ | ok, just finished installing scratchbox! | 11:47 |
| mece | EET even | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | create an event for 12pm-1pm (assuming you're in EET) | 11:47 |
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| TRX_ | at last, after 3 hours on this sucky connection! | 11:47 |
| mece | today? | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | set the reminder for 5mins in advance | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | then change your time zone to Berlin | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | when the alarm rings, click view | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | (oh do close the calendar once you've created the event w/ its reminder) | 11:48 |
| woglinde | timeless calendar is tricky, even why you are flight a lot | 11:48 |
| TRX_ | anyone knows about how much MB maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh will get ? | 11:48 |
| woglinde | args wehn | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | then tap the system area and change your time zone back to HEL | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i expect the calendar event to update its times to match local time | 11:49 |
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| mece | hmm how do I change timezone? I have to turn of automagically update? | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 11:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | perfectly logical, if you're a finn, right? | 11:49 |
| mece | hehe yes | 11:49 |
| TRX_ | sorry, i meant /maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh | 11:50 |
| mgedmin | iirc you also have to save the changes before turning automatic updates back on | 11:50 |
| mgedmin | or your manual timezone fix will be ignored | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: about? | 11:50 |
| woglinde | trx with rootstraps 1-2 gig | 11:50 |
| asj_ | heya crashanddie | 11:50 |
| TRX_ | this script isnt using apt, anyone knows around how much mbs its going to get! ? | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: or still at the hospital? | 11:50 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, ok done.. waiting... | 11:50 |
| mece | my calendar widget says the event is now at 11:00 | 11:51 |
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| woglinde | trx with rootstraps in the end you need 1-2 gig | 11:51 |
| mece | so it stayed at the sime place in time... | 11:51 |
| crashanddie | yo asj_ | 11:51 |
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| mece | perhaps I should have removed the widget first... | 11:52 |
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| vallhalla811 | Has anyone had trouble with twitter rss feeds? | 11:52 |
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| crashanddie | vallhalla811: you, by the sound of it | 11:52 |
| asj_ | vallhalla811: twitter's failw whale | 11:53 |
| vallhalla811 | Yes only on my n900 | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | shit, food shop is about to close | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | later | 11:53 |
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| mece | timeless_mbp, everything worked as it should have IMO | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: did you get the alarm? | 11:56 |
| mece | yes | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and you clicked 'view'? | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and you left that window open? | 11:57 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, right.. Apparently I'm not so good at taking instructions. | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | try again, 12:10pm alarm at 12:05pm? | 11:57 |
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| mece | oh oh.. I actually found a bu gnow... | 11:58 |
| mece | bug now | 11:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | in calendar or elsewhere? | 11:59 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, when changeing the time. tho i might not have saved timezone correctly.. | 11:59 |
| mece | ok.. should ring in 1 minute... | 11:59 |
| mece | I'll check this bug first. | 12:00 |
| mece | err your bug. | 12:00 |
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| mece | tekonivel, free wlan at lasipalatsi? | 12:00 |
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| tekonivel | mece: yeah | 12:01 |
| tekonivel | mece: but i'm not using it atm | 12:01 |
| tekonivel | mece: but such exists. i'm actually logged in lasipalatsi.fi host | 12:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | tekonivel: is this near the cafe by the post office | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | or the cafe by sokos | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps i should say the parliament and forum | 12:03 |
| tekonivel | tii'm actually elsewhere, but lasipalatsi is just next to sokos, head post office, sokos and not too far from the parliament either | 12:05 |
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| mece | timeless_mbp, looks like it's not going to ring... oh there it goes... LOL | 12:07 |
| mece | ok now I have the "view" open. | 12:07 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, what did you want to know? | 12:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | so, when it rings it shows you a time for the event, which is correct, right? | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | now change your time zone +/- 1 | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | without closing the event which you 'view'ed | 12:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | is the time for the event still correct or is it now wrong because it didn't correct for your time zone change | 12:08 |
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| mece | well it didn't in the view part... but it did change in the calendar. I think it's perfectly acceptable that it doesn't change the view display. | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | why? | 12:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | or is the answer "because I'm a Finn" | 12:10 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 12:10 | |
| mece | timeless_mbp, I think of it as a "static page" or something. I didn't expect it to change. | 12:10 |
| mece | it was loaded when I pressed view, and I didn't expect it to change. | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | so, i wouldn't mind if it listed a time zone next to the times | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | but... i don't think we actually have many 'static' pages on our platform | 12:11 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, I think it's mostly because having an event open like this is something I rarely do. Well i guess it's a bug, just not one I would care about enough to even mention. | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: yeah, sorry | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem i have is that i haven't met many Finns who travel | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i've met a number of finns who refuse to travel | 12:12 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, that is true. And now that you mention it, it actually could be a problem. | 12:12 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, I'm going to norway on thursday, via sweden. | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | well, it just screwed me out of lunch / a meeting | 12:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, since you appreciate the problem, can i convince you to file the bug? :) | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | remember there could be at least a shirt in it for you ;-) | 12:13 |
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| mece | timeless_mbp, sure, I'll have some lunch first. | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | sounds reasonable to me | 12:14 |
| MortimeR_ | Hi | 12:14 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, you can also just click an event to view it, then change timezone to see the bug. The whole waiting for an alarm is a bit overkill :) | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: sure, feel free to use the simpler steps when filing | 12:15 |
| mece | is this applications or platform? | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i generally try to report precisely what i did in case there's some stupid quirk related to my exact steps | 12:15 |
| MortimeR_ | I understand that X-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is the OS but what is RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin? | 12:16 |
| mece | yep | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | apps/calendar | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | optimizing steps to reproduce comes later | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | MortimeR_: do you understand the device file systems? | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | there are roughly 3: System, User Home, USB Mass Storage | 12:16 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: I am familiar with Linux and embedded systems | 12:16 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: I understand | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | the combined image is for System | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | EMMC is for User Home + USB Mass Storage | 12:17 |
| MortimeR_ | ok | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | Vanilla means "no regional maps" among other things | 12:17 |
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| MortimeR_ | I do not understand the later | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i think the user home part is probably entirely empty | 12:17 |
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| MortimeR_ | I expect user home to be nearly empty and what is USB Mass storage. This is only supposed to be mode accessing the users data | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but the USB Mass Storage part comes with a couple of files that make your n900 look shinier when plugged into a computer as usb mass storage | 12:18 |
| snostorm | I have been hit by the reboot bug agian anbody know how to relate my details to nokia so someone who can talk engineer with me might solve this problem | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | well, if you prefer, /, /home, /home/user/MyDocs | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't really think that's easier to understand or explain | 12:18 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: but the size of the image is 246951288 which cannot be explained with a nearly empty home and some shiny look | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | for which? vanilla? | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the us one is something like 1.6gb | 12:19 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: yes .... | 12:19 |
| mgedmin | I once unFIASCOed the eMMC image and found a 1 GB VFAT filesystem | 12:19 |
| mgedmin | it was mostly empty, IIRC | 12:20 |
| MortimeR_ | maybe it has some mp4s included? | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | and a movie or two typically | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | "mostly empty" is well... "mostly" not "entirely" | 12:20 |
| MortimeR_ | mybe it contains garbage in the image. In this case it should be zeroed and compressed | 12:20 |
| koala_man | snostorm: the watchdog one? that was fixed for me in the latest version | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | MortimeR_: maybe you shouldn't speculate? | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a waste of everyone else's time | 12:21 |
| MortimeR_ | anyway reflashing the OS just helped me to unbrick my n900 ;-) | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | vanilla doesn't mean "empty" | 12:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | it means "not specifically regionalized or vendorized or customized" | 12:21 |
| mgedmin | just mostly ;) | 12:21 |
| mgedmin | 250 megs out or 28 gigs is pretty empty-ish, when you think about it | 12:21 |
| * mgedmin should stop wasting time | 12:21 | |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: thx. I think I now have an impression what this is about. E.g. a network provider could customize/brand using this image... it is not required to boot/run the device | 12:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | MortimeR_: well, n900s don't usually come with vanilla | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're in the us, you get the us version which has us maps | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're in the nordic countries you probably get the nordic version which probably has nordic maps | 12:23 |
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| MortimeR_ | <-- is currently connected via "expensive" 3G and I wanted to know if I also need to download the EMMC image after successfully flashing the PR_COMBINED image | 12:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | 'no' | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | but you could have just asked and saved a lot of trouble :) | 12:23 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: ;-) | 12:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | line 48 -- * Messages having warning level greated than this | 12:25 |
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| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: can you provide me a hint where to start (URL) when I want to do some Qt4 coding. E.g. shall I use scratchbox or some other method? | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | no :) | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr.maemo.org/ has qt and fremantle sources | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a #maemo-qt or something iirc | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and how-to-write-qt-apps is left as an exercise | 12:30 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: thx anyway | 12:30 |
| viukkis | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Qt_for_Maemo_Developers_Guide is decent | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | vikuuri: that's kinda shocking | 12:30 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, Bug 8915 | 12:34 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8915 When having an event open, a timezone change will not alter the time in the event being viewed as it should | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 12:34 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: MWKN is on planet now. | 12:35 |
| woglinde | hi x-fade | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | hi woglinde | 12:37 |
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| Trox | where does the sdk installation script put the files it downloads ? | 12:43 |
| mece1 | hmm | 12:43 |
| mece1 | strange | 12:43 |
| Trox | got disconnected and now its trying to resume and fails | 12:43 |
| Trox | let me put it this way, HEEEELPPPP!! :P | 12:44 |
| mece1 | everything is failing for me right about now... | 12:44 |
| Trox | and what to delete those files it downloaded, WHERE ARE THEY! | 12:44 |
| Trox | and yes this scratchbox is damn weird | 12:44 |
| Trox | gives you errors in one terminal and works perfectly in another | 12:45 |
| Trox | makes no sense at all :P | 12:45 |
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| ifreq | Trox: look into mirror :) | 12:47 |
| Trox | ifreq : ok ok i also dont make sense sometimes :P | 12:48 |
| Trox | ifreq : any idea where the sdk installation script puts the files it downloads ? | 12:49 |
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| ifreq | Trox: nope. I use the virtual SDK img | 12:52 |
| ifreq | so i dont hafty waste time on installing SDK separately | 12:52 |
| Trox | ifreq : well , to me downloading 2gb is a waste of time. | 12:54 |
| Trox | and near impossible with this 256k download speed | 12:54 |
| ifreq | you mean tou can solve the SDK problems faster than dl 2Gb f stuff? | 12:54 |
| ifreq | ok | 12:54 |
| Trox | yes, in less than a few days. | 12:55 |
| Trox | ! | 12:55 |
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| ifreq | Trox: okay. ill ask you after few days :) | 12:57 |
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| wazd | Heya all | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 13:03 |
| woglinde | hi stskeep | 13:03 |
| woglinde | hi wazd | 13:03 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: seen my tabbl | 13:03 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: table mockup?) | 13:03 |
| wazd | Woglinde: hey | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: nop? | 13:04 |
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| Tex | hello, | 13:06 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oooh | 13:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: waitasec | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: didn't see you mention it before so :) | 13:07 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_, maePad ? :p | 13:08 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: Hey, welcome back. | 13:08 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: http://s006.radikal.ru/i214/1002/d4/90561280964c.png | 13:08 |
| wazd | Vdvsx: nope :) | 13:09 |
| VDVsx | :( | 13:09 |
| wazd | Vdvsx: that's not my work :) | 13:09 |
| zerojay | Anyone besides X-Fade can pull down a package from the repos? | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: yes. | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: and it's physically possible in html? :P | 13:10 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: sure | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: :nod: looks good, just wondering if it motivates people to actually click the contents though | 13:11 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: I want to have my Adblock Plus package removed from the repository completely. Microb's got too many issues with plugins/extensions.. and I have a new pacakge that will replace it with a different way of doing things that does work 100% of the time. | 13:11 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: is it clickable? :D | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: the 50% | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | | 5 stuff yes | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Is the new one in place already? | 13:13 |
| wazd | STSkeeps: ah, haven't even thought about it actually :D | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | as the stuff that's interesting is in those fields :P | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | as numbers will just cause people to argue | 13:13 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: Yeah, a new package named adflashblock-css has already been uploaded last night. | 13:14 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, I guess I can come up with something | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: You can use Replaces and Conflicts to make the switch for current users better? | 13:14 |
| mairas | X-Fade, any possibility of getting .sh uploads allowed on wiki.maemo.org (sent you a mail about this a few mins ago)? | 13:14 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: I hadn't thought about that. Interesting idea. | 13:15 |
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| zerojay | X-Fade: I'll add that in tonight I guess. | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: We can remove it of course after a while. But think of your exising users ;) (like me) | 13:15 |
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| hendry | timeless_mbp: the firefox on maemo, how does one get a mouse pointer for text selections? keep activating the tab view. | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | irc.mozilla.org #mobile :) | 13:16 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: Heh.. I thought most of my existing users wanted to throw spears at me. :P | 13:16 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I guess I can make a layout with div's, not the tables, it's more flexible | 13:16 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: mece1: you're doing some calendar development? | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | dazo: if by that you mean calendar developer terrorism | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: only requirement i have is that i have to be able to print one 'table line' out at a time | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | or terrorizing | 13:17 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: heh ... well, do you provide patches to devels? I'd like to look into the proper code .... (Admittedly, I've not spent much time going through all "getting the source code details" on m.o) | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | dazo: it's closed | 13:18 |
| dazo | :( :( :( | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr.maemo.org/fremantle has the open stuff, which doesn't include calendar | 13:18 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: ugh ... the calendar and a hope that it was open was one particular reason why I got a N900 - so that I could help fixing annoyances .... as my SE-K800i calendar drove me crazy :-P | 13:20 |
| timeless_mbp | dazo: well, the frameworks are open | 13:20 |
| timeless_mbp | eds and friends | 13:20 |
| X-Fade | mairas: Hmm let me see if I can change that. | 13:20 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: yeah ... do you know if there are plans to open the calendar code? | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sure there's a wiki page that answers that question | 13:21 |
| mairas | X-Fade, it should be a config option in the MediaWiki config files, IIRC | 13:21 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: oki .... thx ... I'll look for it | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.gitorious.org/calendar-backend/calendar-backend/blobs/master/debian/control | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: ... | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | 28 Description: Calendar backend developer's files | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | 29 This package contains calendar backend developer's files. | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | mairas: Yes, added it there just now. | 13:21 |
| mairas | X-Fade, \o/ | 13:22 |
| * timeless_mbp loves the 'multiline' description | 13:22 | |
| dazo | :) | 13:22 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: no problem | 13:22 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: thx a lot! I'll dig into things ... and start the developer terrorising myself :P | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: First line is short desc, second and onwards is the detailed one? | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | good luck | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: not a particularly detailed one | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's the theory, yes | 13:23 |
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| mairas | X-Fade, hmm, now it's marked as an image | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Sure, but developers don't mind probably. | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | mairas: need to set mimetypes somewhere I think. | 13:24 |
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| mece | grr argh! The interwebs keep getting away from me! Someone's messing with my cables! | 13:24 |
| mairas | X-Fade, I don't think it's about that | 13:24 |
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| mairas | it's just that MediaWiki thinks .sh files are images | 13:24 |
| MiXu- | Hmm. N900 creates duplicate contacts because of IM accounts. :/ | 13:25 |
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| ifreq | mairas: why not paste sh content? | 13:25 |
| mairas | as the uploaded file ended up as http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Icecc_create_env_sbox.sh | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | MiXu-: You can merge them. | 13:25 |
| MiXu- | X-Fade: And then it will create new duplicates if I disable and re-enable an IM account. :P | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | MiXu-: No? | 13:25 |
| ifreq | nope | 13:25 |
| mairas | ifreq, could do that but the script is a bit long and would be nicer to just provide it as a file | 13:25 |
| mece | Well I guess some buggy devel im software might do that though... | 13:26 |
| ifreq | mairas: mv file.sh > file.sh.txt | 13:26 |
| ifreq | *g* | 13:26 |
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| mece | mv? | 13:26 |
| MiXu- | For me it's creating duplicates :P | 13:26 |
| ifreq | move | 13:26 |
| ifreq | you dont speak *nix?? | 13:26 |
| mece | ifreq, but the > | 13:26 |
| ifreq | ah yeah | 13:26 |
| mairas | ifreq, why would that help? text file uploads aren't supported any better | 13:26 |
| ifreq | mairas: sure? dang | 13:27 |
| ifreq | then your ool | 13:27 |
| MiXu- | I'm using the default IM software with some additional protocols. | 13:28 |
| mece | MiXu-, which one is making duplicates? | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | can anyone reproduce bug 8920? it wfm w/ my more recent verion | 13:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8920 MicroB loses first keystroke | 13:28 |
| MiXu- | mece: MSN and Facebook at least. | 13:28 |
| ifreq | whats the MSG plugin youre using? | 13:28 |
| mece | MiXu-, as I said, (1:26:07 PM) mece: Well I guess some buggy devel im software might do that though... | 13:29 |
| ifreq | MSN* | 13:29 |
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| MiXu- | mece: Yep. I'll try another one. | 13:29 |
| ifreq | im using felipes MSN pecan | 13:29 |
| ifreq | it works nicely | 13:29 |
| mece | I think pecan is the preferred one, but none is bug free | 13:29 |
| ifreq | pecan is most fixed one imo :P | 13:29 |
| ifreq | err patched one | 13:29 |
| MiXu- | is pecan in the extras? | 13:29 |
| ifreq | doubt it | 13:29 |
| mece | no. | 13:29 |
| MiXu- | Hmm. Apparently the dupes disappear when I disconnect from MSN/Facebook. | 13:30 |
| MiXu- | But I'll try the pecan | 13:31 |
| mece | MiXu-, see this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39015&highlight=pecan&page=5 for possible issues or fixes. | 13:31 |
| MiXu- | Alrighty. Thanks. | 13:31 |
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| Damion2 | is there a one liner that I can type instead of "make install && tar cf blah.tar /opt/blah" to leave me with a .deb I can hand to people? | 13:38 |
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| X-Fade | Damion2: dpkg-buildpackage ? | 13:40 |
| zerojay | py2deb? | 13:42 |
| zerojay | Not exactly a one-liner, but simple. | 13:42 |
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| Vanadis__ | hai | 13:42 |
| ifreq | Damion2: doubt it. | 13:43 |
| ifreq | Damion2: just do as jebba has documented: google "jebba package maemo" | 13:43 |
| woglinde | hand optified is mostly better | 13:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | LANG_NAME { id = ELangFinlandSwedish; | 13:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | 33 * purchase interface functions should be used first to finnish | 13:47 |
| timeless_mbp | 34 * purcahse operations before downloading the node content. | 13:47 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 13:47 | |
| zerojay | lol | 13:48 |
| MiXu- | Hmm. Ok. Looks better with pecan MSN plugin. | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojay: and here i was going to give the language a free pass for being written by idiots who don't understand English rules on proper names | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojay: have you read part one of my list? | 13:49 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless: is that crappy locale reinvention followed by gibberish? | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/ident?i=ELangFinlandSwedish | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/source/MCL/sf/mw/appinstall/secureswitools/swisistools/source/sisxlibrary/sislanguage.h#45 | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | 49 /** UK English. */ | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | 50 ELangEnglish = 1, | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | 76 /** American. */ | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | 77 ELangAmerican = 10, | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | American isn't English | 13:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | lest you think i'm joking, c.f. | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | 106 /** Australian English. */ | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | 107 ELangAustralian = 20, | 13:52 |
| ShadowJK | do they have 4 variants of sami or none | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | 139 /** Peoples Republic of China's Chinese. */ | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | note that they can't spell People's correctly... | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: well they have 'Yoruba', but unless Sami has another spelling, i don't see it | 13:53 |
| zerojay | timeless_mbp: No, I haven't. | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | come on, the file won't bite ;-) | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/source/badwords.txt | 13:53 |
| zerojay | Not so much in the way of bad words as much as they are common misspellings. | 13:54 |
| ShadowJK | I had perfect blood pressure last checkup. I think I'll pass on clicking anything with "symbian" in it | 13:54 |
| MiXu- | :D | 13:55 |
| MiXu- | Good call | 13:55 |
| zerojay | wtf... | 13:55 |
| ShadowJK | (wanting to stay in a situation where I don't need to listen to the 1hour rant about excercise and fruit) | 13:55 |
| zerojay | Flemish? | 13:55 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojay: sorry, in badwords? | 13:55 |
| zerojay | timeless_mbp: No, in sislanguage.h | 13:57 |
| zerojay | Language = 19 | 13:57 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, isn't flemish correct spelling? or are you supposed to call it something else? | 13:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i think most Americans would call it Dutch | 13:58 |
| zerojay | I've never once heard of Flemish. | 13:58 |
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| MiXu- | ShadowJK: I think that's correct | 13:59 |
| viukkis | AFAIK flemish is a slightly different dialect that is spoken in northern belgium | 13:59 |
| ShadowJK | I love interfaces that appear in a foreign (to you) language, but offer your own language too as long as you can guess what it is called in the foreign language first | 14:00 |
| MiXu- | :D | 14:00 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders "exteraction" | 14:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: yeah, that's always nice | 14:00 |
| timeless_mbp | it's better in Maemo | 14:00 |
| timeless_mbp | after you've properly found the place which has your language | 14:01 |
| koala_man | ShadowJK: haha, totally | 14:01 |
| timeless_mbp | it then asks you a very long question in a language you *don't* speak | 14:01 |
| timeless_mbp | which you have to answer correctly in order for it to start speaking your language | 14:01 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 14:01 |
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| ShadowJK | atleast you *can* switch language more than once :) | 14:02 |
| ShadowJK | and don't need to make a permanent choice at first boot like certain other system | 14:03 |
| zerojay | Would you like to switch langauges? Oui/Nyet | 14:03 |
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| MiXu- | Permanen choice at first boot <3 | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: it's not like you can officially switch to a better language :) | 14:04 |
| * timeless_mbp offers MiXu- a 't' | 14:04 | |
| MiXu- | Thanks, I'm out. | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | a hint that something's wrong: | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/search?string=exeplar | 14:04 |
| Remosi | I assume maemo bases it on LANG? You could have different apps in different languages if you felt really adventurous | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | @param _foo_ where _foo_ doesn't appear in the subsequent lines | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | Remosi: one of those env vars, and yes | 14:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | in scratchbox people will do that once in a while | 14:05 |
| Remosi | yeah, thats the advantage of building on something as large as linux | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | the reason you need a reboot is that there are too many daemons to usefully do anything with, each of which has an env var for the language | 14:05 |
| Remosi | yup | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Remosi: or the disadvantage of building on something as lame as linux | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | depends how you look at it :) | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | s40 doesn't require a reboot | 14:06 |
| Remosi | I say tomato, you say tomato :) | 14:06 |
| Remosi | telinit 1; telinit 2 | 14:06 |
| Remosi | should do it, although that's almost a reboot :) | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | if my phone call drops while you do that, i'm not happy :) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | Remosi: that's based on the assumption maemo is reasonably sane | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 14:07 |
| infobot | ~pong | 14:07 |
| Remosi | Stskeeps, maemo's been reasonably sane every other time I've tried to do something silly :) | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | line 146 -- EXPORT_C void CTaskManager::ExecuteRecoveryTasksL() | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | line 78 -- * In order to recover from fatal error, please use ExecutelRecoveryTasksL. | 14:07 |
| * timeless_mbp is glad to see the comment suggests a functin that doesn't exist | 14:07 | |
| jophish | Howdy all | 14:08 |
| * ShadowJK would have assumed both existed, first did something bad, and second did something proper but was hidden somewhere comletely unrelated | 14:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/search?string=ExecutelRecoveryTasksL | 14:09 |
| timeless_mbp | if it's hidden, it isn't in one of the two modules i cloned | 14:10 |
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| jophish | What is the procedure on porting cli applications to Fremantle? If I have compiled the program for ARMEL and it works flawlessly on Fremantle, what's the next step if i want to share it with people. Presumable put it in the garage, and then what? | 14:11 |
| ShadowJK | extras-devel? | 14:12 |
| jophish | OK, thanks ShadowJK. How quickly do things get moved up to testing or extras? | 14:12 |
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| ShadowJK | to testing: your choice | 14:13 |
| ShadowJK | then it needs a few random people to test it and give it thumbs up before you can promote it to extras | 14:14 |
| jophish | Probably as soon as possible. Just a ported application, so already feature complete. | 14:14 |
| jophish | Sounds good. Thanks | 14:14 |
| ShadowJK | look up extras-testing on wiki.maemo.org | 14:14 |
| timeless_mbp | line 87 -- * Equar or greater than -operator | 14:15 |
| ruskie | hmm fun... need to reflash again | 14:15 |
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| crashanddie | don't you hate it when you just need to download 30 megs, but the ISP has a dodgy backbone? | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | nah | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | nowhere near as bad as when you need to top off a 60gb rsync | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and your employer's gateway makes it impossible | 14:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | i've tried 3 or 4 times | 14:25 |
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| koala_man | at least you'll get more data each time? | 14:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | no | 14:26 |
| aquatix | it rolls back? | 14:26 |
| carloscesa | @all does anybony knows how to activate the N900' front camera? | 14:26 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it's spending mb's on overhead not actually making any progress | 14:26 |
| timeless_mbp | carloscesa: install an app that uses it | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | carloscesa: with the mirror app? | 14:26 |
| timeless_mbp | or get a video call w/ google talk | 14:26 |
| timeless_mbp | the software-stack wasn't ready enough for the first release so video call wasn't really exposed | 14:27 |
| _berto_ | garage.maemo.org is down ??? | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: It is up, but I see some irq storms there. | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: Really weird. | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | _berto_: you say that like it's a surprise | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: waiting for garage.maemo.org.... | 14:28 |
| _berto_ | timeless_mbp: maybe I was being ironic | 14:29 |
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| crashanddie | _berto_: no, you were being sarcastic, timeless_mbp was being ironic | 14:29 |
| _berto_ | heh | 14:30 |
| mece | i like garage. I find it soothing. | 14:30 |
| _berto_ | :) | 14:30 |
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| mece | There's simply no point in hurrying things in garage, so one is forced to slow down. | 14:30 |
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| mece | good therapy. | 14:30 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: i like the blank white page i get from it :) | 14:30 |
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| aquatix | garage is zen | 14:31 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: for a jew, you're strangely ego-centric | 14:34 |
| * RST38h moos thoughtfully | 14:34 | |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 14:34 | |
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| 17SAACSFJ | hy everybody | 14:35 |
| carloscesa | timeless, crashanddie I will try mirror app and other apps too. Thanks guys! | 14:35 |
| crashanddie | 17SAACSFJ: turing test | 14:35 |
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| crashanddie | 17SAACSFJ: what does your nickname mean? | 14:36 |
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| cehteh | was the red led lit when video recording prior pr1.1? i cant remember | 14:37 |
| mece | am I supposed to have 2 hildon-home running? | 14:37 |
| crashanddie | yes | 14:37 |
| 17SAACSFJ | crashanddie: damn. guess my normal nicknames have all been taken. how do I change it now? | 14:37 |
| mece | crashanddie, yes mece or yes cehteh? | 14:38 |
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| crashanddie | 17SAACSFJ: /nick username | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | mece: yes cehteh | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: it's supposed to be | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the "privacy led" | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | it means "i'm watching your panties" | 14:39 |
| fragment | :D | 14:39 |
| mece | heheheh | 14:39 |
| w00t | damn you, red LED | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | because every woman has eyes in the back of her panties, just looking for that red led... | 14:39 |
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| w00t | you foiled my plans to embed an n900 into my shoes | 14:39 |
| mece | lol | 14:39 |
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| aquatix | timeless_mbp: eyes in the ba- thanks for that mental picture... | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | wizcoder: congrats, you passed the test ;) | 14:40 |
| cehteh | timeless: i hate it .. filming close objects gives a red tint, its way to bright | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | aquatix: sorry | 14:40 |
| mece | so does anyone else have 2 hildon-home running? Could you please confirm or deny? (ps | grep hildon-home) | 14:40 |
| aquatix | timeless_mbp: :) | 14:40 |
| RST38h | By the way, whoever is affected by this vote: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8890 | 14:40 |
| povbot | Bug 8890: Device becomes unlocked when plugged into charger | 14:40 |
| RST38h | Showed up in 51.1 | 14:41 |
| cehteh | and on every other camera you can turn off the red recording light | 14:41 |
| wizcoder | crashanddie: Better this way. don't want to have a name like r2d2 or other robots :-) | 14:41 |
| RST38h | cehteh: only makes sense if it can work in ir | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: yeah well... when you have a daughter who is saved from embarrassment by it, you'll ... i dunno, probably break the n900 because it's probably being held by a boy ... | 14:41 |
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| crashanddie | cehteh: there's laws that make it mandatory | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: i think some black tape works | 14:42 |
| cehteh | not here in germany .. despite we have strange laws here too | 14:42 |
| w00t | stab the LED out! | 14:42 |
| w00t | :P | 14:42 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: you are not the rest of the world | 14:42 |
| cehteh | timeless: that would oover the flash leds too | 14:42 |
| wizcoder | Yesterday I tried to sync my N900 with Google Caldender. It puts all the appointments in my calender and then gives me an error. Which means I can't save the session. | 14:42 |
| crashanddie | can people please make some effort in writing "Calendar" properly? | 14:42 |
| wizcoder | Via Exchange Mails | 14:42 |
| koala_man | wizcoder: "Exchange server is not responding. Verify that account settings are correct."? | 14:43 |
| dazo | ~ # ps ax | grep hildon-home | 14:43 |
| dazo | 7220 user 3936 S /usr/bin/hildon-home | 14:43 |
| dazo | 7221 user 58896 S /usr/bin/hildon-home | 14:43 |
| dazo | 8118 root 2092 S grep hildon-home | 14:43 |
| dazo | mece: ^^^ | 14:43 |
| crashanddie | dazo: please use a pastebin | 14:44 |
| mece | ok thanks. | 14:44 |
| wizcoder | It communicates with the server. And I get all appointments inserted correctly | 14:44 |
| mece | dazo, same for me. | 14:44 |
| wizcoder | But no todo's. And then the error | 14:44 |
| cehteh | crashanddie: just install emacs :P | 14:44 |
| dazo | crashanddie: yeah, I usually do that ... I thought 4 lines was safe enough here | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | dazo: maemo is full of strange forking | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | you get used to it | 14:44 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: just gtfo? | 14:44 |
| cehteh | :) | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | wizcoder: so... | 14:45 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: I'm not the one who wondered ... I just did what mece asked for :) | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | dazo: as long as it doesn't happen too often | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think google is officially supported by MfE | 14:45 |
| mece | dazo, I guess you don't have comic-widget installed? | 14:45 |
| dazo | crashanddie: no, no! I'll behave nicely! :) | 14:45 |
| dazo | mece: correct | 14:45 |
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| mece | dazo, ok. good. I was kinda worried that the widget was messing with hildon-home | 14:46 |
| dazo | mece: no prob :) | 14:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | wizcoder: how many days are you syncing? | 14:47 |
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| wizcoder | timeless_mbp: I think 14. Have some appointments that get repeated every week | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | wizcoder: try the shortest interval :) | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | "think baby steps" | 14:49 |
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| wizcoder | timeless_mbp: Trying... | 14:50 |
| MiXu- | Is there any way to align icons on the N900 desktop? | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | MiXu-: TweakR | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | or was it Tweakr? | 14:50 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 14:50 | |
| MiXu- | I'll try that | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | wizcoder: somewhere in talk.m.o there's a post by the MfE owner | 14:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | he explains how to get logs if you want help | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | also, are you using 51-1 or something older? | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | (older = much less interesting to everyone) | 14:51 |
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| wizcoder | timeless_mbp: 2 weeks is the shortest interval. searching for that post | 14:52 |
| woglinde | hi florian | 14:52 |
| florian | good morning | 14:52 |
| woglinde | florian took you the blanket with you? | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, ops | 14:52 |
| florian | woglinde: sure | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it's mail where you can do a 3 day window :) | 14:52 |
| woglinde | ups false channel | 14:52 |
| woglinde | florian okay fine | 14:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=056294b3ae70852e&hl=en | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | the last comment suggests 'syncevolution' | 14:54 |
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| Corsac | hmmh, how often is karma refreshed? | 14:57 |
| woglinde | ~karma | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Should be once per 2 days, but something is stuck. | 14:58 |
| infobot | woglinde has neutral karma | 14:58 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Thanks for sorting the blog feed. I'll have to sort the titles to be slightly more descriptive. | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It should update when you do that. | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: A good source for karma it seems :) | 15:06 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Oh, cool | 15:06 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Excellent :-) | 15:06 |
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| wizcoder | timeless_mbp: I read all the posts on that page. And deleting the calender on my n900 and syncing again worked. | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: But I think it is a cool thing, you're off to a good start it seems. | 15:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | wizcoder: see, google is your friend :) | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i'd probably consider the commercial thing that's listed somewhere in the thread. 25usd/year is not a big deal | 15:08 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Ta muchly | 15:10 |
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| Damion2 | it's snowing! | 15:12 |
| acidjazz | sup guys | 15:13 |
| acidjazz | any new apps | 15:13 |
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| Damion2 | mediatomb | 15:13 |
| Damion2 | now I can view my photos on my ps3 with ease and no syncing required | 15:13 |
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| Jaffa | Damion2: It's been snowing here (Rugby) for a few hours, getting heavier but not sticking. | 15:14 |
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| Damion2 | oh, you're where time comes from | 15:16 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders what drug-induced trauma caused people to create Xorg. | 15:17 | |
| Jaffa | Damion2: Not anymore :-( | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: do you remember Xfree? | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | Damion2: A couple of years ago it moved to, errr, Cumbria. | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yes, Xorg is following in it's proud steps | 15:17 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what possessed someone to name a variable: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/ident?i=distinsuiName | 15:19 | |
| Damion2 | yesterday my battery was draining like the clappers and I saw a 75% cpu job in top which I'd started the day before (my mistake). I killed it but it dawned on me that it might be good for some sort of warning/alarm if the battery discharge rate is higher than a configurable threshold | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: "you're using flash" | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: roughly, while the problem is indeed interesting | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | solving it is painful | 15:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | because on average a runaway process happens while you aren't looking | 15:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you aren't looking (or aren't even physically close) | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | then most notifications are a further waste of cpu resources | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | now, there is a cpu meter you can install | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | but it of course uses cpu resources :) | 15:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | the best proposal i had for this was roughly: | 15:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | 1. the system calculates how much life it gets on your first couple of charges | 15:23 |
| marmoute | timeless_mbp: but this cpu meter doesn't use resources when the screen is locked isn't it. | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. it takes that as a baseline | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | marmoute: does that help when there's a runaway process in the background? :) | 15:24 |
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| tybollt | lala | 15:24 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: no I had a task I started, it was my fault | 15:24 |
| Damion2 | alarm could be audible | 15:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | Damion2: sure, you can use the cpu meter | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | but mostly what will happen is "you're using flash" | 15:24 |
| Damion2 | yeah that would have been red, but I've not instaleld that | 15:24 |
| roshenia | hi! can i send mms via fmms from contacts? | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | after watching a few movies, you'll quickly turn it off | 15:25 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: if the screen turns off, and there's still a task chomping away? | 15:25 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: that seems like a better category for alarms | 15:25 |
| Damion2 | I don't tend to leave browser running, does flash get in a state and stay running as an orphaned daemon sometimes? | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: not generally | 15:25 |
| Damion2 | yeah this might only help me | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but the point is that if you actually set an alarm for strictly "high cpu usage" | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | it'd trigger everytime you watched any movie | 15:26 |
| Damion2 | I could do some shell script reading the hardware battery settings | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | which should obviously be fairly useless | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and incredibly annoying | 15:26 |
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| Damion2 | w00t: not a bad idea | 15:26 |
| Damion2 | screen blank = shouldn't be churning | 15:26 |
| w00t | there are still exceptions to that | 15:26 |
| w00t | but nowhere near as many | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: but again, if you aren't nearby, do you really want it complaining? | 15:27 |
| w00t | probably enough to make it a usable case | 15:27 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: are you ever away from your n900? :P | 15:27 |
| timeless_mbp | the watchdog you write can be more expensive and annoying than the process you dislike | 15:27 |
| Damion2 | I pondered having a bg job to ffmpeg my .mp4 videos I've just taken, in to something more compatible with stuff | 15:27 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: yes | 15:27 |
| w00t | mine hasn't left my side, ever, since I got it | 15:27 |
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| MiXu- | Mine neither ;) | 15:27 |
| w00t | even in the shower! (ok, that's a joke) | 15:27 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: like I said this might only work for me, but personally I'm _never_ away from my n900 | 15:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i sometimes leave it at the office (charging)overnight because we're in a hurry to get dinner and i forget to grab it | 15:27 |
| Damion2 | ignoring oncall rota, I don't tend to have it further than a shelf if taking a shower | 15:27 |
| w00t | Damion2: same | 15:28 |
| timeless_mbp | you guys are strange :) | 15:28 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: you don't receive phonecalls? | 15:28 |
| timeless_mbp | not typically :) | 15:28 |
| roshenia | hi! can i send mms via fmms from contacts? | 15:28 |
| Damion2 | ah | 15:28 |
| timeless_mbp | between 10pm and 10am? | 15:28 |
| Damion2 | roshenia: I don't know if it's integrated, perhaps not. I dont' know | 15:28 |
| timeless_mbp | besides, i have 2 phones for the same line | 15:28 |
| timeless_mbp | so i can use the other one :) | 15:28 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: yes | 15:28 |
| roshenia | Damion2, yes. i think it now not integrate | 15:29 |
| Damion2 | how can I detect the screen shut? I'm pretty sure I was able to cat /sys/somethingorother/state and get open/closed | 15:29 |
| Damion2 | but that doesn't work now like it does the keyboard slider | 15:29 |
| Damion2 | s/shut/blanked | 15:29 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: i use my n900 -a lot- :P | 15:29 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: my phone bill's bigger than yours :-v | 15:30 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: undoubtedly, but that's because I use wifi most of the time, and all my texts are free | 15:30 |
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| w00t | (actually, I don't even pay my phonebill, my employer does \o/) | 15:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't text internationally? | 15:30 |
| w00t | (which is great, as I accidentally ran up a £100 3G bill recently) | 15:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | my employer objected to my last 3 phone bills :( | 15:30 |
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| w00t | I *used* to text internationally, but now that I'm living with the person I used to text, not so much, no | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | my worst bill ever: gbp1800 | 15:31 |
| viukkis | let that be a lesson about the possible side effects of texting | 15:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | at what exchange against the eur? :) | 15:31 |
| Damion2 | for what period? | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | 1month of course | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | one month | 15:31 |
| Damion2 | jeez | 15:31 |
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| Damion2 | all my friends got an iphone on o2 and my calls to o2 are free | 15:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure my bill trumps crashanddie 's :( | 15:32 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp wins. | 15:32 |
| w00t | :P | 15:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: typically when you get high bills, you're roaming | 15:32 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. i roamed for a month w/ a pair of plans/n900s | 15:32 |
| Damion2 | I'm about to spend 3 weeks abroad | 15:32 |
| timeless_mbp | pick up local sim's | 15:32 |
| nicu | hi guys, can someone point me to a plugin (or something which works over dbus) which enables last.fm scrobbiling on the default media-player on the n900? | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | I spent a month in the Ukraine | 15:32 |
| Damion2 | I plan on getting PAYG out there as only a fool would pay roaming ;) | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i only spent a week there and my bill was bigger than yours | 15:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | Damion2: well, some of us fools have employers | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: i reiterate my point from earlier | 15:33 |
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| * timeless_mbp is stupid ? | 15:33 | |
| crashanddie | about ego | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i normally don't get into pissing contests | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | well, you've been doing that all night as far as I can tell | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | it's just that when people get distracted, i'd rather finish things and move them along | 15:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | people getting distracted during pissing contests is indeed bad. | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | what happens if you press the <= icon in the browser toolbar today (51-1)? | 15:40 |
| tybollt | ? | 15:40 |
| tybollt | you get a bunch of thumbnails | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 15:40 |
| roshenia | is it real to write programs in windows for maemo? | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | eh? | 15:41 |
| MiXu- | I wish there was an on screen button in the microB for "back". | 15:41 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: (which frankly pisses me off, I want to be able to go straight backwards and not have to deal w/ the thumbnails, but meh) | 15:41 |
| w00t | tybollt: backspace key on the keyboard | 15:41 |
| w00t | :-) | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: that's changing | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | hence my needing to ask what it does today | 15:41 |
| tybollt | \o/ | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, where is it on your toolbar? | 15:41 |
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| roshenia | i wanna write software for maeo | 15:42 |
| roshenia | maemo | 15:42 |
| MiXu- | backspace works, sure, but you don't always have the keyboard out when surfing | 15:42 |
| w00t | next to stop, timeless_mbp | 15:42 |
| roshenia | but i havent linux | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: shows current page - in the event that there is only one page in the current session - or the current page and last page on a scrolly | 15:42 |
| w00t | stop, arrow back, fullscreen button | 15:42 |
| koala_man | roshenia: get the vmware image | 15:42 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: second to the bottom right | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: thanks | 15:42 |
| roshenia | koala_man, hm. its sux =( | 15:42 |
| koala_man | roshenia: develope in python on windows | 15:43 |
| w00t | roshenia: you can always use Qt to develop on windows, and then test later in the VM | 15:43 |
| w00t | (either via pyside/pyqt or directly via Qt creator in C++) | 15:43 |
| roshenia | eheh | 15:43 |
| MiXu- | There's something called MADDE that you can use to cross compile Qt in windows environment. | 15:43 |
| lopz | hi ;> | 15:43 |
| MiXu- | Haven't tried it though. | 15:43 |
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| w00t | MADDE is great, but it won't make it easy unless you have a device to put the binaries on | 15:44 |
| w00t | (I use MADDE) | 15:44 |
| MiXu- | I haven't got around to installing MADDE yet. | 15:46 |
| MiXu- | w00t: Do you know of a good howto for it? | 15:46 |
| w00t | MiXu-: MADDE? it's very, very easy | 15:47 |
| w00t | take a look at http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE | 15:47 |
| MiXu- | Ok, thanks | 15:47 |
| w00t | if you're using Qt, also see http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Qt_Example | 15:47 |
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| acidjazz | why is ovi maps free now | 15:52 |
| acidjazz | and why are ppl downloading it | 15:52 |
| acidjazz | when are ppl gonna find out it doesnt work | 15:52 |
| woglinde | acidjazz fo symbian its working | 15:52 |
| acidjazz | why is it so fail on maemo | 15:52 |
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| Damion2 | why is ovi maps so sluggish with click drag scrolling? | 15:54 |
| wazd_ | acidjazz: 42 | 15:54 |
| wazd_ | Damion2: 42 | 15:54 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:54 |
| Damion2 | it's otherwise a quite okay app for maemo and s60, but it feels awful compared to google maps for your low attention span 5min check out of the app | 15:54 |
| acidjazz | wazd_: lol wat | 15:55 |
| wazd_ | acidjazz: that's why Ovi maps for maemo are "so fail" | 15:55 |
| Damion2 | he's answering all questions with the answer to the meaning of life the universe and everything | 15:55 |
| wazd_ | acidjazz: 42 | 15:55 |
| acidjazz | blue 42? | 15:55 |
| Damion2 | it's from a dull book by douglas adams | 15:55 |
| aquatix | acidjazz: http://www.google.nl/search?q=the+answer+to+life+the+universe+and+everything | 15:55 |
| Damion2 | which people rave about | 15:55 |
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| acidjazz | is that gonna be the quote from conan the barbarian aquatix | 15:56 |
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| acidjazz | oh | 15:56 |
| aquatix | ;) | 15:56 |
| acidjazz | hitchhikers guide to the whatnot | 15:56 |
| acidjazz | i need to see that again | 15:56 |
| aquatix | better read the book | 15:57 |
| aquatix | it's funnier | 15:57 |
| MiXu- | I didn't like the movie :P | 15:57 |
| aquatix | movie was disappointing indeed | 15:57 |
| MiXu- | I haven't read the book, so stuff just felt totally random. | 15:57 |
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| pupnik | FOSDEM is great! | 15:58 |
| range | pupnik: Are you still drunk from the beer event? >:) | 15:59 |
| range | <- recovering. | 16:00 |
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| pupnik | heh missed it | 16:00 |
| pupnik | was it fu | 16:00 |
| pupnik | n? | 16:00 |
| Damion2 | I thought the new H2G2 film was better than the radio show which was better than the tv show, all of which were better than the book | 16:01 |
| Damion2 | but that's just me | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: do you get bugmail for 7002? | 16:01 |
| pupnik | what were your favorite points? | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | line 145 -- // the total number of didits | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | DIDITS | 16:02 |
| range | pupnik: Parts of it. Mostly it was too crowded (especially as there were loads of people not connected with Fosdem at all in the bar). | 16:02 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: Pardoinez moi? | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: if you don't, you don't :) | 16:02 |
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| thresh | DUDDITS | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: "Pardonnez-moi?" | 16:02 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: jajaja | 16:02 |
| pupnik | is there a central fosdem sire for the lectures i missed? | 16:03 |
| pupnik | video | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | yes sire | 16:03 |
| * tybollt nods to timeless_mbp - it would seem I do not. | 16:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: i just need to ensure that my final comment is clear as mud to everyone | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | i do not want to see another comment in that bug | 16:03 |
| tybollt | clear as mud, roger that wilco | 16:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | thanks :) | 16:05 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: hell yes, that is exactly it, cool. | 16:05 |
| * tybollt reading now | 16:05 | |
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| range | pupnik: http://fosdem.org/2010/media/video eventually. | 16:06 |
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| tybollt | fact is the "swipe left" one is so intuitive I actually tried that (however in vain :) | 16:06 |
| range | pupnik: But not all were recorded afair. | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: glad to hear you approve of the ui designer's view | 16:07 |
| Fargus_ | Anyone online with experienceon using MADDE? | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | if i see him this week and remember, i'll mention that someone agreed | 16:07 |
| tybollt | "so we're going to try to do what you | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | he should smile for a moment :) | 16:07 |
| tybollt | (the real customers) want" | 16:07 |
| tybollt | o_O | 16:07 |
| tybollt | a developer actually working on something _the customer_ want!? | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | well, we (babu, myself) tried | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | but in this case, the ui designer prevailed, and i think it turns out for the right reasons | 16:08 |
| w00t | I agree with the designer as well, actually | 16:08 |
| tybollt | (No no, I'm not cynical and bitter , not at all ;) | 16:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | w00t: yeah, when i'm not sick/exhausted, i do too | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | the rest of the time it's too complicated for me | 16:08 |
| * w00t pats timeless_mbp | 16:08 | |
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| * timeless_mbp taps forhead (eHOT) and pats stomach (eUPSET) | 16:09 | |
| * tybollt thanks timeless - that was an exhaustive reply to that | 16:09 | |
| RST38h | yawn | 16:09 |
| RST38h | what did I miss? | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i was asked to do it wednesday or thursday | 16:09 |
| w00t | timeless telling us that he's hot, apparantly | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | but thursday i was on my way to paris | 16:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | and friday i was sick in paris | 16:10 |
| tybollt | RST38h: back button in microb actually taking you back instead of going to thumbnailmode | 16:10 |
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| N900evil | not here | 16:10 |
| acidjazz | why dont we have ovi maps racing | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | N900evil: we're talking about the future | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | it's on mine | 16:11 |
| RST38h | tybollt: it does? | 16:12 |
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| hrw | re | 16:12 |
| N900evil | ah | 16:12 |
| tybollt | RST38h: future tense... it _will_ (hopefully) do... | 16:12 |
| libben | sick, i only get connection problem when i try to rdc to my workstation, i can do rdc from home to my workstation. I even tried thru my wifi and by 3g, get connection problem everytime i try to connect with rdesktop. real weird. | 16:12 |
| wizcoder | how do I enable extre-devel. site seems to be down. (googled it :-) ) | 16:14 |
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| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/08/fosdem-x/ | 16:14 |
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| tybollt | btw timeless_mbp - I will make sure to take you up on the offer offered in the final post in that bug... I mean you do start "feel free to" ;-) | 16:15 |
| hrw | Conboy is good tool to write blog posts | 16:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | fine w/ me :) | 16:15 |
| tybollt | s/start/state | 16:15 |
| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/08/maemo5-and-lack-of-navigation/ is next one written during fosdem trip | 16:16 |
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| MohammadAG | infobot's dead | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | (that's what methinks) | 16:16 |
| tybollt | oh I thought it just hated me ;) | 16:16 |
| RST38h | \ | 16:16 |
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| libben | https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel. | 16:16 |
| RST38h | tybollt: ah it won't | 16:16 |
| libben | https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel | 16:16 |
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| libben | wizcoder: ^^ | 16:16 |
| tybollt | RST38h: why do you say that? | 16:17 |
| Claudius | Hi there, | 16:17 |
| * RST38h wonders when MicroB will memorize his Ctrl+Shift+I setting though | 16:17 | |
| libben | https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#How_to_activate_Extras-devel | 16:17 |
| RST38h | tybollt: empyrical data | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | ~curse closed source software | 16:17 |
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| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, closed source software ! | 16:17 |
| tybollt | RST38h: tssk tssk, have a little faith in timeless now :) | 16:17 |
| Claudius | Updating extras-testing and the normal maemi repositories time out for me. Anything known there? shall I use the espejo-mirror? | 16:17 |
| Shapeshifter | So I got my n900 today - happy I am. But I can't use 3G internet for some reason. It shows me full bars on 3G, and my SIM is brand new. when I want to connect to 3G (or any cellular I mean), it says "Internet connection failed. Try again?" | 16:17 |
| RST38h | tybollt: meh. | 16:18 |
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| acidjazz | Shapeshifter: wha tservice | 16:18 |
| acidjazz | what service* | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, APN wrong? | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | apesh: can you make calls? | 16:18 |
| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: sounds like your carrier or apn | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: the syntax is s/x/b/ the trailing slash is mandatory | 16:18 |
| Claudius | Chiming in on the "Got my N900 today" tune :) I'm trying to add another GPRS APN, but if i hit "NEW" in the Internet connection settings it let's me only add another WiFi AP. | 16:18 |
| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: lock to 2g in phone settings, if that works your carried is being lame | 16:19 |
| derf | That sums up Maemo Mapper pretty well: "Worked good in OS2008 but newer version totally broken." | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | sadly | 16:19 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: regarding "back is dangerou"... well why should my phone be any "safer" than my computer? :) | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | derf: Maep | 16:19 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: what the heck is ctrl-shift-i? | 16:19 |
| Shapeshifter | okay thanks guys I'll check the settings | 16:19 |
| derf | I blame Google for hiring gunite. | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Here? | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: capital tab? | 16:19 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: your computer is safer because things are more spread out | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | derf: honestly Maemo Mapper has been having problems since switching to sqlite | 16:20 |
| derf | RST38h: According to that post Maep has no pre-downloaded maps, so it's useless to me. | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | derf: it seems to have pre downloaded maps, at least it does not download map until I go out of shown range | 16:20 |
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| derf | RST38h: Can I download a given area in advance and tell it not to use the network after that? | 16:21 |
| RST38h | derf: I think you can, by zooming/scrolling | 16:21 |
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| RST38h | derf: there is no dedicated UI for this though | 16:21 |
| derf | RST38h: That's a non-starter. | 16:21 |
| acidjazz | i feel a good poo comin along | 16:21 |
| derf | I am not zooming and scrolling through an entire city. | 16:22 |
| hrw | RST38h: ctrl+shift+i? | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | tangogps can do that | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | download | 16:22 |
| RST38h | hrw: enables reflow-on-zoom | 16:22 |
| RST38h | hrw: a good replacement to fit-to-width option from Maemo4, but not saved in the config like Ctrl+Shift+O | 16:22 |
| * ifreq waits for gl es navi for n900 | 16:23 | |
| Stskeeps | derf: make a patch | 16:23 |
| derf | Stskeeps: I have my own projects, thanks. | 16:23 |
| * RST38h doubts Maep author will accept a patch | 16:23 | |
| Shapeshifter | Damion2: oh, my carrier doesn't do 2g ;) | 16:23 |
| Shapeshifter | acidjazz: orange switzerland. I checked the settings and they're okay. | 16:24 |
| derf | I submitted patches for maemo-mapper, but that was because I knew the author personally. | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | There are real issues with swamping the OSM tileservers with a popular app that doenloads stuff | 16:24 |
| tybollt | top story of "tomshardware" "VIDEO: Duke Nukem 3D Meets Wiimote, N900 " | 16:24 |
| tybollt | >:) | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | The right way is to setup your own tileserver - but this is non-trivial | 16:24 |
| derf | And because I'd been using it for a year until he broke it during the sqlite conversion. | 16:24 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: yep | 16:26 |
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| dnaumov | ok this is weird, I added extras-devel to my list of repos, but before I even had a chance to download or install anything, it broke my app manager | 16:26 |
| jophish | hmm, Is it just me, or is garage.maemo.org inaccessible? | 16:27 |
| Arkenoi | ah.5th version of conversation inbox. i preferred the second one. | 16:27 |
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| X-Fade | jophish: kernel issue, working on it. | 16:27 |
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| jophish | Sure. thanks very much | 16:27 |
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| dnaumov | according to the log, apt-worker exits because it cannot truncate /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/apt-worker-lock: Read-only file system | 16:28 |
| dnaumov | rebooting the phone doesnt help | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | / full? | 16:28 |
| dnaumov | even if I take the battery out | 16:28 |
| dnaumov | no, filesystems have lots of space | 16:29 |
| jophish | dnaumov, have you moved /var/lib/ anywhere? | 16:29 |
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| dnaumov | memory management says I have 1,75gb of space available for apps and over 26gb for other stuff | 16:29 |
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| dnaumov | and no I havent moved or changed fs layout | 16:29 |
| hrw | RST38h: ah. that | 16:29 |
| jophish | I guess you could try to remove that file in the terminal | 16:29 |
| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: you're not with "3" are you ? | 16:29 |
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| LuciusMare | hello, can you point me to a guide how to change the video that is played on booting? | 16:33 |
| ifreq | its on tmo | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: / full! | 16:34 |
| LuciusMare | ifreq: oh, thanks | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: root is only <250MB | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: /var resides on / by default | 16:34 |
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| Damion2 | LuciusMare: try the top link on : http://www.google.co.uk/webhp#hl=en&source=hp&q=hello%2C+can+you+point+me+to+a+guide+how+to+change+the+video+++++++++++++++++++++that+is+played+on+booting%3F+maemo+n900&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=hello%2C+can+you+point+me+to+a+guide+how+to+change+the+video+++++++++++++++++++++that+is+played+on+booting%3F+maemo+n900&fp=33a9a577caa4e7cb | 16:35 |
| tybollt | Damion2: bitly... tinyurl... etc :) | 16:36 |
| dnaumov | DocScrutinizer: my / is 75% in use | 16:36 |
| Damion2 | goo.gl | 16:36 |
| dnaumov | over 56mb available | 16:36 |
| dnaumov | yet, it seems to be readonly for some reason | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: ooh. then it's not full evidentally | 16:36 |
| Damion2 | tybollt: also the whole point would have been missed, of directly c+p the question and the top answer being the guide... | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's rather strange | 16:37 |
| dnaumov | I cant write anything to /var/lib | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd say run fsck on on it. But then wait, fsck the / ? :-/ | 16:37 |
| LuciusMare | and, what format should it be? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: you did switch to root user? | 16:38 |
| dnaumov | yes | 16:38 |
| Damion2 | it'll probably play anything the normal media player can play | 16:38 |
| dnaumov | sudo gainroot'ed | 16:38 |
| LuciusMare | let's hope i don't screw up with avi | 16:38 |
| Damion2 | LuciusMare: basic h264 aac | 16:38 |
| LuciusMare | what could happen if it gone wrong? it wont render my tablet unbootable,right? | 16:39 |
| Damion2 | avi if h263/4 with mp3 /may/ work if DIVX tagged | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: a plain "root" is better afaik. but wouldn't make for your error | 16:39 |
| Damion2 | LuciusMare: I can't guarentee it wouldn't prevent booting | 16:39 |
| LuciusMare | :O | 16:39 |
| Damion2 | however it's highly unlikely, much more likely it;ll skip it and carry on | 16:39 |
| Damion2 | make sure it plays in the media player | 16:39 |
| ifreq | LuciusMare: put 90min porn movie on boot | 16:40 |
| LuciusMare | ROFL | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: check 'mount'. is the fs ro ? | 16:40 |
| Damion2 | and dmesg to see if it remounted ro on errors | 16:41 |
| LuciusMare | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT4yW8Vy94s seems nice | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Damion2: that's the conclusion then, yes | 16:41 |
| dnaumov | fstab says that rootfs is mount RO in case of an error | 16:42 |
| dnaumov | so I am guessing I have some fs error that forces it to mount it in RO mode | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | though usually that part will have left the buffer of dmsg most likely | 16:42 |
| Damion2 | that's worrying | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | echo fish >/root/foo | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | see if it's in fact RO | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: ping? | 16:42 |
| dnaumov | SpeedEvil: it is | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 16:42 |
| Damion2 | LuciusMare: you can sit and wait 10 seconds? | 16:43 |
| jophish | In all the examples for developing applications, they tend to repeat all the commands. first for i386, then for armel. why is this? | 16:43 |
| Damion2 | when you do the echo what error do you get and what does dmesg show? | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: use 'mount', not fstab | 16:43 |
| LuciusMare | Damion2: but it looks cool ^^ | 16:43 |
| Damion2 | jophish: sensible, testable good development. Me I knock up an arm and run it on my phone ;) | 16:43 |
| Damion2 | LuciusMare: it's nice | 16:44 |
| jophish | Damion2, exactly what I am doing at the moment | 16:44 |
| dnaumov | ehh | 16:44 |
| dnaumov | dmesg isnt pretty | 16:44 |
| LuciusMare | i am actually worried about the size of 2.2 mb | 16:44 |
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| Damion2 | LuciusMare: better than the paedophile snatching the little girls hand | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: dmesg uses a buffer slightly larger than 512 bytes :-/ | 16:45 |
| LuciusMare | wtf | 16:45 |
| Damion2 | I guess the daily mail doesn't spread it's hype to Finland | 16:45 |
| dnaumov | also obviously I cant edit fstab | 16:45 |
| dnaumov | since its on / which is RO | 16:46 |
| dnaumov | fun times | 16:46 |
| LuciusMare | You pervert, it was supposed to be...nevermind. | 16:46 |
| dnaumov | how do I force a remount in readwrite mode? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: probably your best bet is to copy all the files from / to backup. then reflash root, then copy back the backup | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | dnaumov: I think you're screwed, reflash necessary | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | dnaumov: I don't know (and doubt) whether there is a fsck for it | 16:46 |
| dnaumov | wtf? nice | 16:46 |
| dnaumov | I didnt even install any -devel software | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | if you want to risk playing, you can try mount -o remount,rw / | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: shit happens | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | our *great* ubifs, eh? | 16:48 |
| Damion2 | or he has a faulty chip? | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that'd be rally nasty | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | really | 16:48 |
| Damion2 | which? forcing remount or finding a bad chip? he's got a warrenty | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be nice perhaps if you could zip up a raw ubifs image and send it to the fs peeps. | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | but I'm not sure there is a onennanddump | 16:49 |
| Damion2 | dd and netcat | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | bad chip | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | dd won't get you the raw chip | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not a block device | 16:49 |
| Damion2 | DocScrutinizer: actually it's better for us as it means ubifs isn't flakey | 16:49 |
| dnaumov | Damion2: the manual remount did nothing | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 16:49 |
| Damion2 | dnaumov: what did dmesg |tail show ? | 16:49 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: oh yes | 16:49 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: point | 16:50 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: okay tar cf - / |nc ;) | 16:50 |
| Damion2 | with various params for not leaving the filesystem | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: that doesn't tell you anything interesting about the fs | 16:50 |
| Damion2 | doh, sorry yes | 16:50 |
| Damion2 | you sure there isn't a dd able block ? | 16:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | As far as I understand, no. | 16:51 |
| Damion2 | what about that thing which has a 2MB partition with NILO at the start ? | 16:51 |
| dnaumov | the end of dmesg shows a lot of errors like "UBIFS error (pid 1509) ubifs_create and ubifs_reservation both complain about being unable to reserve xxx bytes in jhead 1, error -30 | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | there should be a number of ubitools though, no? | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It is of course really a block device - but the sectors are not a power of 2, and there is out-of-band data that's potentially important | 16:51 |
| Damion2 | dnaumov: odd, as I've completely filled mine and saw no ill effect | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | is it actually full? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: anyway that dmesg errors probably help a lot for a ticket | 16:52 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: it says no | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | 75% | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so *plenty* of room | 16:53 |
| Shapeshifter | Damion2: nah, I'm with orange. | 16:53 |
| Shapeshifter | So, is there something like ifconfig on the n900? I need to know my wlan IP. | 16:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | and ifconfig is missing. | 16:53 |
| Damion2 | orange without 2g data ? | 16:53 |
| Damion2 | /sbin/ifconfig | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: ifconfig | 16:54 |
| Shapeshifter | Damion2: orange switzerland only offers 3g | 16:54 |
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| zaheerm | you can also install personal ip address from app manager | 16:54 |
| Shapeshifter | Damion2: ah, sbin is not in path.... | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, quite handy | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | for root, nope | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err "for user" | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | for root yes it is | 16:55 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yep, thanks | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who asked for a "deadly laser" in N920 yesterday? I killed a moth with my deadly green laserpointer ;-P | 16:58 |
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| LuciusMare | wtf??? 86% of / filled! | 16:59 |
| LuciusMare | :o | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | normal | 16:59 |
| tybollt | ugh | 16:59 |
| Shapeshifter | oh this is so sweet. | 16:59 |
| tybollt | as much fun as that is.. | 16:59 |
| hrw | LuciusMare: move /var/cache/apt and /var/lib/apt/ to somewhere else | 16:59 |
| Hukka | Or maybe it's surprising that it isn't full :) | 16:59 |
| tybollt | apparently the green lasers is becomming a real problem | 16:59 |
| Shapeshifter | ssh'ing into my servers within minutes. how brilliant | 16:59 |
| * Shapeshifter hugs his n900. | 16:59 | |
| tybollt | w/ kids lasering traffic airliners... | 16:59 |
| LuciusMare | huh | 17:00 |
| LuciusMare | Shapeshifter: how do you do that? it is kinda hard, because n900 is so small... | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: ack. idiots | 17:00 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: indeed... | 17:00 |
| Shapeshifter | LuciusMare: what do you mean? 1. install ssh, 2. ? 3. profit! | 17:00 |
| LuciusMare | hrw: what about optifying? | 17:00 |
| LuciusMare | Shapeshifter: i meant the hugging | 17:00 |
| Shapeshifter | LuciusMare: ah xD | 17:00 |
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| LuciusMare | Shapeshifter: you know, full body hug is pretty hard, because the n900 tends to fall down your arms | 17:01 |
| LuciusMare | i have tried | 17:01 |
| LuciusMare | <3 | 17:01 |
| tybollt | ye me too, it drops too easily :( | 17:01 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | n900 -> shirt pocket; lean down to tie your shoelaces -> n900 on the floor :( | 17:01 |
| ifreq | fail | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: you do that once in your live. or you're retarded ;-) | 17:02 |
| tybollt | mgedmin: bend over can to hurl -> (at the time) nokia 8110 in the toilet ;D | 17:02 |
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| tybollt | (literally) | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 17:03 |
| LuciusMare | well, unless you lean with your legs fully stretched, it was not that high | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | a similar accident taught me to never use phone cases that clip onto your belt | 17:03 |
| LuciusMare | ouch...ew. | 17:03 |
| tybollt | yup, when I told my boss the next they he said (and I quote) "Huh, what the fuck, I ought to punch you right on the nose!" | 17:03 |
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| hrw | LuciusMare: do however you want | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | was it his phone? | 17:04 |
| tybollt | mgedmin: company paid for my phones at the time :) | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: (clip to belt) mine has an additional securing flap | 17:04 |
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| _berto_ | garage still down ? :) | 17:05 |
| LuciusMare | woot | 17:05 |
| jophish | _berto_, not to me | 17:05 |
| LuciusMare | hrw: what is in /var/lib/apt/ ? | 17:05 |
| hrw | LuciusMare: lists dir which keeps informations about repositories contents | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: water usually isn't any harmful, if you remove bat *immediately* and then gently dry the device for days/weeks | 17:05 |
| _berto_ | jophish: ah, now it worked | 17:06 |
| jophish | great | 17:06 |
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| LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: friend of mine once dropped his (playing) phone into the pool... | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: It is very slow, with a load of 0.2.. Something is going on there, trying to find out what. | 17:06 |
| LuciusMare | He just sat and listened to it playing underwater | 17:06 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: an 8110 soaking in a can full of whatever-I-ate-that-day mixed w/ quantities of beer, wine and kosken? Dude you could not pay me to use that thing again ;) | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | not a technical issue | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: yup. normal. but it will get stained traces and contacts very quickly, if you don't remove any voltage | 17:08 |
| Lumpio- | Falling N900 issues, eh | 17:08 |
| Lumpio- | I was very disappointed not to get a lanyard with my N900 >:I | 17:09 |
| Lumpio- | Or I might have lost it before I even found it from the packaging | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooooh | 17:09 |
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| cvandonderen | Hi | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | there was no lanyard | 17:09 |
| Shapeshifter | why does the app manager "update" everytime you load it. does it do apt-get update everytime? | 17:09 |
| Shapeshifter | and other stuff | 17:09 |
| cvandonderen | what else than DNS can go wrong in the Scratchbox to not have DNS? | 17:09 |
| Lumpio- | Nobody ever uses the cheap lanyards that come with devices but if it has a hole for one it damn well better come with one! | 17:09 |
| cvandonderen | my resolv.conf is correct | 17:09 |
| cvandonderen | and I have network | 17:09 |
| LuciusMare | optifying /var/lib/apt/ and /var/cache/apt/ = WIN | 17:10 |
| mgedmin | Shapeshifter, afaiu it reads the apt database (which is a bunch of flat text files and takes a looong time to load) | 17:10 |
| LuciusMare | on 73 | 17:10 |
| ifreq | cvandonderen: virtual sdk olr oure owsystem? | 17:10 |
| LuciusMare | er | 17:10 |
| mgedmin | maybe computes dependencies and stuff | 17:10 |
| LuciusMare | on 73% | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | optifying /var = WIN^2 | 17:10 |
| LuciusMare | wtf | 17:10 |
| mgedmin | I'm probably wrong about the bunch of flat text files thing -- apt has a bunch of binary caches | 17:10 |
| LuciusMare | / on 73 | 17:10 |
| LuciusMare | i mean. | 17:10 |
| cvandonderen | ifreq: Windows -> VBox image -> scratchbox | 17:10 |
| mgedmin | that don't seem to speed things up very much ... | 17:10 |
| Lumpio- | The app manager takes srs ages to start up with anything besides the default repos | 17:11 |
| Lumpio- | (Which have about 50 packages) | 17:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: humm okay | 17:11 |
| cvandonderen | ifreq: any idea? | 17:11 |
| LuciusMare | hm, do you think that symlinking the boot video located in mydocs to /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media is a good idea? | 17:12 |
| cvandonderen | ifreq: got it | 17:12 |
| cvandonderen | :-P | 17:12 |
| Lumpio- | The boot video is in MyDocs? o_O | 17:13 |
| LuciusMare | er | 17:13 |
| LuciusMare | my custom boot video | 17:13 |
| Lumpio- | Oh, the other way round | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: symlinking the luke video to something really cool is a better idea ;-P | 17:13 |
| ifreq | cvandonderen: good. | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah obviously that's what you're about to do | 17:14 |
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| LuciusMare | rebooting | 17:14 |
| LuciusMare | wish me luck | 17:14 |
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| * DocScrutinizer crosses fingers | 17:15 | |
| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: apart from the fact that it was telnet with the 9000 and 1998 and 9110 for the next few years, I've been sshing in to servers for _many_ years. If anything the n900 is a slight step back frmo the e90/n97 | 17:15 |
| LuciusMare | wee | 17:15 |
| LuciusMare | ^^ | 17:15 |
| Damion2 | mydocs is mounted by the time the video plays? | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 17:15 |
| LuciusMare | well | 17:16 |
| LuciusMare | i just copied it | 17:16 |
| dnaumov | great, Nokia in its great wisdom has apparently decided to make the root filesystem "ubifs" instead of ext2/ext3 and there is no fsck for ubifs... | 17:16 |
| LuciusMare | :D | 17:16 |
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| Lumpio- | ubifs is more flash memory friendly, isn't it? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: that's what we told you | 17:16 |
| LuciusMare | dnaumov: nokians are creatures trying to bring down any tries to use their products | 17:16 |
| LuciusMare | AGH | 17:16 |
| LuciusMare | are NOT creatures | 17:16 |
| LuciusMare | i meant, they have their reasons | 17:16 |
| acidjazz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IrlhLF1c3k | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's areason to have ubifs rather than ext2/3 on NAND | 17:17 |
| tybollt | Damion2: I've used ssh on SE P series since P800 days so =) | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | NAND is a bitch | 17:18 |
| LuciusMare | acidjazz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 | 17:18 |
| tybollt | no I quite like Nan(d) actually | 17:18 |
| tybollt | way better than popadums | 17:18 |
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| Damion2 | LuciusMare: your startup video? | 17:19 |
| Damion2 | that'll take a while and people around will laugh at the audio | 17:19 |
| LuciusMare | LOL | 17:19 |
| LuciusMare | well, better than the acidjazz | 17:19 |
| LuciusMare | 's | 17:19 |
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| Damion2 | tybollt: 2003? | 17:20 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: yes? | 17:20 |
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| Tex | Hello! | 17:20 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: the tone was imo uncalled for | 17:21 |
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| sp3000 | at least in any visible context | 17:21 |
| sp3000 | I'm not the only one who was confused by it | 17:21 |
| tybollt | Damion2: sorry no, our exchange server is 2007 to the best of my knowledge | 17:21 |
| tybollt | oh | 17:21 |
| tybollt | you mean the P800 | 17:21 |
| tybollt | yeah | 17:21 |
| tybollt | sure | 17:21 |
| tybollt | thereabouts | 17:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer envisions "DONT PANIC" fading from red to "friendly letters" in orange | 17:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | alas no idea how to create a mp4 for that | 17:22 |
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| Damion2 | I think you can do that with mencoder and a text subtitle file | 17:24 |
| Damion2 | or kino with kinoplus plugins even easier | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | never used those | 17:25 |
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| Tex | where's the best place to put compiled applications for n900 ? | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | - /opt | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas :-S | 17:26 |
| Tex | as in should i move the files as if dpkg was installing a debian package | 17:26 |
| Tex | like etc and bin. | 17:26 |
| Tex | oh ok. | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need symlinks from /bin | 17:27 |
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| Tex | ln ? | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | etc | 17:27 |
| Damion2 | I built with --prefix=/opt/mypkgname but then /opt/mypkgname/bin needs a symblink in /usr/bin | 17:27 |
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| Tex | thanx a lot. | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optify | 17:28 |
| Tex | but wait, you're compiling using your n900 ? | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 17:28 |
| infobot | it has been said that optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: *sigh* | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i just don't want further 'contributions' in that bug | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: who else was confused/ | 17:30 |
| sp3000 | babu | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 17:30 |
| LuciusMare | ~FUBAR | 17:31 |
| infobot | fubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything. | 17:31 |
| LuciusMare | oh, i always thought it is like foo bar... | 17:32 |
| Damion2 | I have no problems with / being 256M, it's plenty for a base OS as long as you have larger installed apps else where | 17:32 |
| Damion2 | personally I'd have gone for /usr/local | 17:32 |
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| Damion2 | which is default if people compile with a plain ./configure | 17:32 |
| Shapeshifter | Damion2: it is a step back? | 17:33 |
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| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: the e90 with the last revisions of s2putty were a very comfy experience sshing to remote hosts | 17:33 |
| Damion2 | n97 with my patches was also very very nice | 17:33 |
| Damion2 | the n900 terminal and ssh need some work to catch up | 17:33 |
| ifreq | xterm and openssh? | 17:34 |
| ifreq | riight | 17:34 |
| Damion2 | I can't get the screen tty size the way I like it, missing keys are a pain, etc... | 17:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | Damion2: mhh. how can ssh need work? It feels pretty standard | 17:34 |
| ifreq | lol | 17:34 |
| Damion2 | I don't want 4lines of font taken up with huge rarely used buttons | 17:34 |
| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: UI and RSI avoidance | 17:34 |
| Shapeshifter | I use tab all the time. I think I need to map it to some hardware button | 17:34 |
| ifreq | Damion2: and you can resize xterm with volume buttons.. or via menu | 17:34 |
| Damion2 | lack of sticky Ctrl was a pain until i found away to make Ctrl sticky | 17:34 |
| Shapeshifter | Damion2: yeah I believe the UI is far from perfect | 17:35 |
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| ShadowJK | use the zoon buttons to change font size | 17:35 |
| Damion2 | ifreq: yeah but latest ubuntu screen sometimes crashes on SIGWINCH and I've spent weeks leaving a debug compile running to see if I could track it down to no end | 17:35 |
| Damion2 | I want fricking 80x24 | 17:35 |
| Damion2 | :) | 17:35 |
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| Damion2 | not 79x22 | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | freak :) | 17:35 |
| Shapeshifter | ubuntu :| | 17:36 |
| zash | Damion2: what, 80×25 or gtfo | 17:36 |
| ifreq | its not easy for you i see :-) | 17:36 |
| Damion2 | my xterm at work and home are that size and everything has to rejig on the phone | 17:36 |
| Damion2 | gtfo? | 17:36 |
| Damion2 | let me look that up | 17:36 |
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| * ShadowJK has 133 x 23 | 17:36 | |
| hrw | how to force tracker to reindex photos? | 17:36 |
| Damion2 | zash: 80x25 is what DOS stuff used to use | 17:36 |
| Damion2 | I domn't use hardstatus in screen(1) | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | sorry, 133 x 27 | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | widescreen screen :/ | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Does touching them work? | 17:37 |
| hrw | I use 154x68 terminal in this moment | 17:37 |
| hrw | X-Fade: good idea | 17:37 |
| zash | ~$ echo $COLUMNS×$LINES | 17:37 |
| zash | 127×36 | 17:37 |
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| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: it's the corp standard, I'm a slackware man myself | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | hrw: on n900 | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | ? | 17:37 |
| hrw | ShadowJK: yes | 17:37 |
| tybollt | Damion2: how'd you make ctrl sticky? I tried lemon curd, didnät work :( | 17:37 |
| Shapeshifter | Damion2: I see. | 17:37 |
| Damion2 | tybollt: xkbset st | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Damion2: still it's insane to have /usr, /var on a 256MB / | 17:37 |
| Damion2 | DocScrutinizer: they're not stopping people export | 17:37 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer++ | 17:37 |
| Damion2 | and /usr is /okay/ if a little filling | 17:38 |
| tybollt | I-N-S-A-N-E in the membrane | 17:38 |
| hrw | I did some photos during fosdem trip and gallery does not show them | 17:38 |
| Damion2 | var can be kept small if you keep tabs on it, but okay yeah | 17:38 |
| ShadowJK | how, I only get 133x31 in fullscreen and it says "already at minimum fontsize" :/ | 17:38 |
| dnaumov | submitted my problem: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8926 | 17:38 |
| povbot | Bug 8926: rootfs stuck in readonly mode | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Are they inside MyDocs? | 17:38 |
| hrw | ShadowJK: ah, sorry - I thought about tracker. no I have such size on desktop. on n900 I do not care too much about terminal size | 17:38 |
| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: basically I _just_ got n97 s2putty the way I like it, I've had 80x24 font on 9000, 9110. 9210*, 9500, 9300, e90, n97 and now aim to get it working on n900 | 17:39 |
| hrw | X-Fade: yes, were done with internal camera | 17:39 |
| tybollt | dnaumov: you can't just remount it w/ read flag? | 17:39 |
| Damion2 | *9210 didn't have ssh at first and lame versions came about with 80x11 and 80x22 until s2putty | 17:39 |
| ShadowJK | 80x24 is going to have a very wide font :) | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Damion2: you know *why* /usr was invented back in the ancient *nix days? Exactly ho give it an own partition/drive | 17:40 |
| Damion2 | osso-xterm nabs the left line for some reason, I need to compile a version that doesn't | 17:40 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer++ | 17:40 |
| Damion2 | DocScrutinizer: I know it was shared via nfs in many places | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Damion2: never wondered why there's /bin and /usr/bin? | 17:40 |
| tybollt | bin - static | 17:40 |
| Damion2 | /bin is guarenteed to be part of / but /usr isn't | 17:40 |
| tybollt | /usr/bin/ - ld.so | 17:40 |
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| ifreq | dnaumov: someone else had probs with ubifs too http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=434452 | 17:41 |
| anders_gud | tackar ;-) | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | same thing with /var, which is considered a mass dump device for spooler jobs etc pp | 17:42 |
| tybollt | amen | 17:42 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I read somet doco over at mo saying the 256mb for everything and then opt for the rest was a -temporary- solution and not for the long run... | 17:43 |
| tybollt | yeah... | 17:43 |
| tybollt | very temporary :S | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: I honestly doubt they ever manage to do the clean cut and move to a sane partitioning. You know there's nothing as durable as a botch | 17:44 |
| Damion2 | I know some of the archaic history, however having lasted years on a 120MB disk which mostly has all in / I think even by todays standards 256M is okay, it's actually a bit less and yet most people have 50MB of so free if they've not install insane stuff | 17:44 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: :-D | 17:45 |
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| Damion2 | somebody sshed in do a du -sk /* ? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Damion2: actually that's not the point | 17:45 |
| tybollt | it is NOT the point indeed | 17:46 |
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| Maromader | hello | 17:46 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc someone said on Maemo6 the OS will sit on the same big device as the swap and the user's files... joy :( | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, or maybe maemo7 | 17:47 |
| * tybollt is entirely backseat-arguing today, but then, DocScrutinizer is clearly on a roll here ;) | 17:47 | |
| ShadowJK | ./configure --prefix=/opt/maemo ;D | 17:48 |
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| tybollt | ShadowJK: I can see that being the thing they will put forth as the key to why the dev is not backwards compatible >:D | 17:48 |
| Damion2 | if they'd made the 32GB more flexible, ie umountable mounts while booted and resizeable filesystems, then it would have been handy. | 17:48 |
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| Maromader | damion2 lvm? :) | 17:49 |
| tybollt | anyway | 17:49 |
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| Damion2 | having /home after /home/user/MyDocs/ physically is a pain as you can't shrink the fat andedit the partition table easily | 17:49 |
| tybollt | yes | 17:50 |
| tybollt | many of us would need to shrink the fat :( | 17:50 |
| Damion2 | it's currently non trivial to have /var and /usr external, even for hackers | 17:50 |
| tybollt | my missus keep telling me every day you know :( | 17:50 |
| Damion2 | you have to do it in scripts on boot | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Damion2: caused by maemo devels' madness | 17:51 |
| Damion2 | if it started with, say 5-10GB of ext2 and then part2,3 were unused and part4 was fat we could resize2fs and use part3,4 labelwise and sort stuff by hand | 17:52 |
| Maromader | you can just repartition emmc,, make static fstab and all works | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: pass it over, mate. BMI 17 here | 17:52 |
| * ShadowJK 'd actually want a bigger nand, or that LogFS or nilfs2 were usable, instead of a bigger ext* partition... | 17:52 | |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: ;) | 17:52 |
| Maromader | btw, what is less io intensive, ext2 or ext3? | 17:53 |
| tybollt | "intensive"? | 17:53 |
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| greenfly | does anyone have a recommendation on how to either provide a prompt at boot to mount an encrypted volume, or a way to get a truecrypt session to persist after a restart of X? | 17:53 |
| Maromader | i have ext3 right now and when i install bigger packages, system changs sometimes | 17:54 |
| ShadowJK | "Device memory - Total is only 27GB!?" <- ah what threads the existing ext3 partition causes... | 17:54 |
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| Maromader | i will chwck ext2 next | 17:54 |
| greenfly | Maromader: I doubt that's caused by ext3 | 17:55 |
| ShadowJK | ext2 isn't going to be any better | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Maromader: check swap usage | 17:56 |
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| kevloral | hi all | 17:56 |
| Maromader | how about journal, isnt that just writing twice? | 17:56 |
| ShadowJK | ext4 slightly better maybe, by an immeasurably small margin... btrfs slightly better, but it's not stable, nilfs2 pretty good but not stable, LogFS even better but not even in mainline kernel yet... | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | swapping takes ages | 17:56 |
| greenfly | Maromader: it's likely something like trackerd or something indexing the new files you've installed | 17:56 |
| ShadowJK | I've been wanting to try make an ext3 filesystem with massively large journal, and the filesystem set to journal data too, not just metadata... | 17:57 |
| Maromader | i see... | 17:57 |
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| Maromader | so, better to stick to ext3? | 17:57 |
| dnaumov | ok wtf, now I am seeing "mount" show "rootfs on /" and "ubi0:rootfs on /" both shown as RW | 17:57 |
| dnaumov | yet, writing still doesnt work, still complains its readonly | 17:58 |
| ShadowJK | Maromader, yes it survives unexpected reboots better | 17:58 |
| ShadowJK | dnaumov, how much free space? | 17:58 |
| dnaumov | ShadowJK: over 50mb | 17:58 |
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| ShadowJK | hm :/ | 17:59 |
| dnaumov | cant browse installed packaged, because apt cant write to / | 17:59 |
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| jophish | Out of interest. Has Nokia provided any insights into why they partitioned the n900 the way they did? | 17:59 |
| Damion2 | dnaumov: you definitely can't remount rw? | 17:59 |
| Maromader | going out, see you | 18:00 |
| jophish | bye | 18:00 |
| dnaumov | Damion2: mount says it IS rw | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | bye | 18:00 |
| Damion2 | cos you /may/ be able to work out which files/dirs to remove to make it work? | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | jophish: root is a different chip. | 18:00 |
| greenfly | this should be in a faq, the n900 partitioning question gets asked in here and in t.m.o every day | 18:00 |
| pupnik | jophish: see mailing list | 18:00 |
| Maromader | jophish smaller flash is quicker | 18:00 |
| ShadowJK | jophish, well the hardware is 256M/32G. 2G was chosen because based on some average song size, so that the tracker database would fit if user has 32 (27) gigs of songs on internal memory and 16 gigs on external memory card... | 18:00 |
| jophish | Ah | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK | Supposedly the 256M chip was chosen in order to not make the developers too lazy so that they would not add too much bloat. | 18:01 |
| Damion2 | maybe risk taking noexec from MyDocs ? | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK | Or so someone said | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: Blah ;) | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: It is just a 256 PoP. | 18:01 |
| Damion2 | are people seriously filling their 2GB ? | 18:01 |
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| jophish | thanks for the answers | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: Ram and flash are in once package. | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK | X-Fade, Yeah I know :) | 18:02 |
| * jophish still thinks it's crazy though | 18:02 | |
| Damion2 | I've neither tried reflashing nor repartitioning my device yet and I'm happy so far with the hackability | 18:02 |
| pupnik | the 256m also forces us to change packages, ensuring a split between maemo and debian | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK | X-Fade, I suspect there isn't much choice really | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the 256MB is a SoC standard package | 18:02 |
| Damion2 | obviously thuings like my q3a .PAK files are on MyDocs | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | When the N900 was being built, that was the biggest size available in quantity. | 18:02 |
| Damion2 | ooh, I should upload my video of tower toppler (Nebulous) working on x86 against arm | 18:03 |
| Damion2 | it looks almost 90% of the speed! | 18:03 |
| Maromader | thats qhy i prefer repartitioning over optification - debian compatibility | 18:03 |
| ShadowJK | Flash really shows its ugly side, the performance difference is so noticeable when an app is located on emmc and is also writing to emmc (gpodder) | 18:03 |
| pupnik | Damion2: ukki already maintains tower topppler | 18:03 |
| Damion2 | pupnik: yeah, I found that out when I was about to try and compile it | 18:03 |
| Damion2 | pupnik: how annoying :) | 18:03 |
| Damion2 | anyway I can run the native x86 version and it looks about 90% of the speed | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you'd think the writes should go to cache anyway | 18:05 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yeah but whenever they go to disk they block reads for awhile | 18:05 |
| pupnik | Damion2: want unmaintained games? | 18:05 |
| Damion2 | is whatever laptop mode is called, enabled ? that can do things like not bother flushing for minutes so writes can seem very fast | 18:06 |
| tybollt | mmmh blocking I/O | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so everything except apps that read/write large amounts of data, should not suffer too much from lower flash speed | 18:06 |
| Damion2 | pupnik: I hope to get wine running ut it segv's | 18:06 |
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| tybollt | wine | 18:06 |
| tybollt | on the n900? | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Think about libs. | 18:06 |
| tybollt | Sir are you ... ? | 18:06 |
| pupnik | kobo deluxe, pingus, technoballz need a maintainer | 18:06 |
| cehteh | huh? :) | 18:06 |
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| cehteh | hehe wine for wince? :) .. thats arm at least | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and those apps had no other location to store their large amounts of data | 18:07 |
| Damion2 | tybollt: yeah. I think it's a threading/mutex issue | 18:07 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, dunno, I was seeing a pretty constant 20-50k of reads from the emmc, probably executable pages getting dropped/paged in as I was using the browser | 18:07 |
| Damion2 | I can run loads of other stuff, like toppler and xrandr and chroot | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: that's load aka startup lag | 18:07 |
| Damion2 | stuff that forks doesn't work | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yes, but quite significant ;) | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | k, I can live with an app taking even twice as long to startup | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | So are libs/etc read-ahead when you launch an app? I thought it was all on-demand pagein | 18:08 |
| Damion2 | I think I need to chroot in to my nfs export of my x86 laptop and run (arm) /var/tmp/ld-linux.so.3 --library-path=/var/tmp/ /var/tmp/qemu-i386-2 /bin/dash | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: See Maps as an example ;) | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | all apps nokia thinks shoiuld pop up snappy are preloaded anyway | 18:09 |
| Damion2 | then when I run stuff /lib/ld-linux.so.2 is in the right place and isthe right arch (x86) so it should work slightly better | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: maps could handle precaching of the next tile needed in a much smarte way | 18:10 |
| ShadowJK | the write speed of the emmc is something like 200k/sec for random write :/ | 18:10 |
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| Damion2 | ovi maps shouldn't be so awfully sluggish looking when I drag it a centermetre with the stylus. It looks pretty awful | 18:10 |
| ShadowJK | hm, let me start it and try | 18:11 |
| ShadowJK | kinda looks like google maps in firefox on Quad core CPU, except a bit faster ;-) | 18:11 |
| cehteh | howe much swap do you people have in use commonly? | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: it'll be slightly better in the next version | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, 100 - 150 megs | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: few | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: varies depending on stuff | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: but ovi maps has an incredibly convoluted design | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | where they basically intentionally defeat all the rendering advantages of a working web browser | 18:12 |
| anders_gud | New MyPaint version out with some Fremantle UI love http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=515945&postcount=23 | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | /dev/mmcblk0p3 partition78642495460-1 | 18:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | at least, that's why one of the guys from services told me about how it worked | 18:13 |
| cehteh | i tweaked some things 100mb here with 4h uptime, webradio, nothing else | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | (not from maps, just a guy in services) | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: swap use doesn't mean the pageisn't also in RA< | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | M | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | anders_gud: um | 18:13 |
| cehteh | i know | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | hold on a sec? | 18:13 |
| pupnik | lots of people with n900s at FOSDEM | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: huh? | 18:14 |
| zaheerm | yep lots of n900s at fosdem | 18:14 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: i rather like if it swaps aggressively | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | anders_gud: 1. don't use ellipsis in menus | 18:14 |
| zaheerm | outnumbered all other phone models from my observation | 18:14 |
| ShadowJK | About 60M out of 140M swap is copied in ram for me | 18:14 |
| pupnik | you were there zaheerm? sorry i missed you. what presentations were best for you? | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: swapping takes ages | 18:14 |
| ShadowJK | 11 day uptime | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | braggard | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | zaheerm: probably a nonrepresentative sample :) | 18:15 |
| zaheerm | pupnik, evil was the best one | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I had 30 days but then wifi died | 18:15 |
| pupnik | evil on the internet? misssed it | 18:15 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: yeah 756mb is prolly way to huge 256 should be enouhg | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | anders_gud: 2. what does 'Layer' do? do you mean 'Layers'? | 18:15 |
| zaheerm | pupnik, i missed michael meeks's one and the facebook one unfortunately, which other people told me were good | 18:15 |
| cehteh | but here it seems to work fine | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | 256 may be tight for some workloads | 18:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | 512 is probably not insane | 18:15 |
| anders_gud | timeless ellipsis ? | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ram * 2 is a good rule of thumb | 18:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | '...' | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | nowadays | 18:16 |
| adalal | is there a syncing program to sync music from rhythmbox to my n900? | 18:16 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: just calculate how fast it swaps .. with 5mb/sec (and thats prolly much faster than it actually swaps) anything high would be very slow | 18:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | 512 is not insane - with a sane swap-out algorithm that swaps out in linear blocks | 18:16 |
| pupnik | zaheerm: i filmed the tor talk but n900 crashed writing the video | 18:16 |
| anders_gud | puritan :-) | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | the current one does not as I understand it | 18:17 |
| timeless_mbp | anders_gud: free good advice has to be worth something | 18:17 |
| zaheerm | pupnik, :( | 18:17 |
| cehteh | well anyways having some more space there ensures that there are enough free blocks for wear leveling so i just leave that as is it wont hurt | 18:17 |
| Tex | ok guys, please tell me if im doing things that right/safe/healthy way. | 18:17 |
| dnaumov | ok now this is getting interesting... a few reboots and attempts to remount / as RW later... the phone boots... but both "df" and "mount" show NOTHING | 18:18 |
| Tex | im compiling stuff using scratchbox sending the files using scp moving them /opt/myapps and creating ln -s for every file | 18:18 |
| pupnik | barebox is a very interesting bootloader - based on uboot - maybe a candidate for tablets | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | wear leveling reportedly only acts on small areas - ~several meg | 18:18 |
| Tex | thats the way things should be done? | 18:18 |
| anders_gud | thanks timless! Try It out... | 18:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg170028.html is interesting WRT wear leveling | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnaumov: your / fs is fscked up | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | anders_gud: hrm, is it in extras or something? | 18:19 |
| dnaumov | DocScrutinizer: "oh really" ;: | 18:19 |
| dnaumov | :p | 18:19 |
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| anders_gud | nah not yet | 18:19 |
| Tex | DocScrutinizer : is this the correct way to do things ? | 18:19 |
| Tex | and btw axel runs perfectly, all we need now is some sexy gui for it ;) | 18:19 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think I've ever seen the emmc manage more than 1megabyte/s in "real life" swapping... In certain circumstances it can do it, like if you just rebooted and start microb+flash... | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tex: aiui yes | 18:20 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 18:20 | |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: i've set commit-interval for the fs and laptop_mode to 3600 .. holding back writes | 18:20 |
| ShadowJK | but after that it's rare to see it manage over .5 meg/sec... flash is too slow :) | 18:20 |
| ShadowJK | or rather the way mmc/sd works.. | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it's not | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: used right | 18:20 |
| Tex | great! | 18:20 |
| ShadowJK | yes yes, but it's not used right | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it's just it doesn't use it right. | 18:20 |
| hrw | shit. feedburner do not handle my maemo/nokia feed ;( | 18:21 |
| ShadowJK | Unfortunately all the people that could code kernel are rich enough to buy RAM or get free Intel SSDs | 18:21 |
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| ShadowJK | ;) | 18:21 |
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| medo | can anyone tell me how to use the fmms from the garage? | 18:22 |
| medo | what file to download? | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: LOL | 18:22 |
| ShadowJK | (or can't afford N900) | 18:22 |
| medo | anyhelp here? | 18:23 |
| Tex | at least they still have their freedoms :P | 18:23 |
| ShadowJK | I'd check out the fmms thread on talk.maemo.org | 18:23 |
| ShadowJK | I believe it has instructions | 18:23 |
| Tex | medo : not really :D | 18:23 |
| anders_gud | Bye! | 18:24 |
| medo | ok, about any deb file if have many versions, do i have to download all? | 18:24 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd be inclined to say, that if you ask such a question, you're better off not downloading deb files. It's better to use application manager | 18:26 |
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| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: any chance of kinetic scrolling? | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | why? | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | what page are you visiting where you want it? | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and what do you expect it to do? | 18:29 |
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| * ShadowJK noticed pages with frames are a bit funny sometimes | 18:32 | |
| adalal | anyone knows how to sync/transfer music using a music program to the n900? | 18:32 |
| ShadowJK | webshops with shopping basket status are at bottom for example verkkokauppa.com | 18:32 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: if I want to view far to the right I swipe and it slowly jerkingly moves right a bit, I then have to let go and do it again | 18:33 |
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| Damion2 | in googlemaps (s60) it moves as my finger moves which is nicer, on the iphone it smoothly scrolls with slow decelleration | 18:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | Damion2: how are you swiping? | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | imagine the n900 is a football field | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | the non touch regions are the end zones | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | the center is the 50yd line | 18:34 |
| Damion2 | yd? | 18:34 |
| adalal | football?? | 18:34 |
| Damion2 | I'm english, is this american football? | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | you're going to need to look it up anyway | 18:34 |
| adalal | u mean american football? | 18:34 |
| adalal | lol | 18:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | the saints just won the superbowl | 18:35 |
| jon1012 | hi | 18:35 |
| Damion2 | the what? | 18:35 |
| Damion2 | you win a super bowl ? | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | surely that would have made news even on your tiny island | 18:35 |
| jon1012 | I have a strange problem... my n900 says it is fully charged, but when I look at the percentage I only have 7Y4% | 18:35 |
| zaheerm | nope | 18:35 |
| jon1012 | 74% | 18:35 |
| jon1012 | someone knows how I can get back to 100 % | 18:35 |
| jon1012 | ? | 18:35 |
| zaheerm | we just are happy JT has finally been shown the door ;) | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | do you swipe from your 10yd line to your opponent's 10yd line? | 18:35 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: I put my fingernail on the screen and move it to the side and let go and go back to the middle for the next movement | 18:35 |
| ShadowJK | I think I went half my life thinking superbowl was a bowling competition :) | 18:35 |
| ShadowJK | jon1012: what's voltage? | 18:36 |
| zaheerm | my local bowling alley was called superbowl | 18:36 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: typically more from a centre | 18:36 |
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| Damion2 | no wait, I must use the edge to the other edge | 18:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer deja vu | 18:36 | |
| Damion2 | bing.com says a yard is a little less than a metre | 18:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: see.... | 18:36 |
| jon1012 | ShadowJK: voltage.current => 4141 | 18:36 |
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| * dazo just swipes the finger 2-4cm on the screen, from either right to left ... or left to right ..... don't understand the football talk .... | 18:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | if you use 50yd to 10yd, which you initially claimed, then you can easily repeat the stroke w/o pain | 18:37 |
| ShadowJK | jon1012: ok it's full | 18:37 |
| * timeless_mbp just tested | 18:37 | |
| ShadowJK | jon1012, short story: the meter lies | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | if you swipe from 10yd to 10yd, then yeah, you're going to be unhappy | 18:37 |
| Damion2 | let me test | 18:37 |
| jon1012 | ShadowJK: the nokia level shows full, but the percentage says 74% | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jon1012: so you *are* at 100%. Just the stupid guestimate gets it wrong | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | dazo: ever given people instructions based on a clock | 18:37 |
| Damion2 | oksy started to load it. | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | "boggie 4 oclock" | 18:38 |
| jon1012 | ShadowJK: strange | 18:38 |
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| Damion2 | right it's almost started... | 18:38 |
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| Damion2 | okay | 18:38 |
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| jon1012 | repporting.design = 1245, reporting.current => 933 | 18:39 |
| Damion2 | it's not as bad as I remember, in the cold trying to get satelite lock yesterday | 18:39 |
| jon1012 | that's strange | 18:39 |
| Damion2 | but it's still not the same as googlemaps s60 | 18:39 |
| jebba900 | hmm. The foto viewer says No Images. Howto get it to open folder? | 18:39 |
| ShadowJK | jon1012: the charger and meter don't really talk to eachother | 18:39 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: very very very seldom ... as most of the times people get confused .... and look at their watch instead, realising their watch is on the mobile phone instead :-P | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jon1012: see above comments | 18:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jon1012: if in doubt, just replug the charger. 60min later bat *is* fully charged | 18:40 |
| ShadowJK | 4.1V is pretty full considering screen and all is on when that value is obtained | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 4V14 is pretty full for a LiIon | 18:42 |
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| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: this will sound like "Dr Dr my arm hurts when I hold it like <this>" sort of comment, but if I move my finger from the centre, to left, then to right and left taking about 1second, so not that fast, there is a visible sluggishness. Not to mention it doesn't redraw roadnames and stuff | 18:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | Damion2: is this ovi maps? | 18:43 |
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| * Trizt can't understand why WPA-PSK connections should suddenly stop working after been working for weeks flawlessly | 18:43 | |
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| timeless_mbp | if so "yeah, i know, so does everyone else" | 18:43 |
| Damion2 | tbh, once I get the next keyboarded maemo6 device in N years, ovi will have navigation and I'll probably not touch it as it just directs me where I need. | 18:43 |
| Damion2 | This is just an initial look+feel issue for people I show the device to | 18:43 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: yes ovi maps on the n900 | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: don't show people ovi maps! | 18:43 |
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| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: I don't recall it being any good on the s60 either | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | seriously | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell jon1012 about batteryfaq | 18:43 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: heh | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | show them Bounce | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | show them Angry Birds | 18:44 |
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| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: well after staring at the loading bar for a minute they normally walk off anyway | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | show them Google Maps | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | show them Maep | 18:44 |
| Damion2 | there is no googlemaps yet | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jon1012: that might help a little as well | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: google maps works nicely in the browser | 18:44 |
| Damion2 | maep isn't brillian | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | just install the geolocation addon | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | (and then you can use it w/ facebook and friends too...{) | 18:44 |
| dnaumov | reflashing the N900 doesnt wipe the user data on the 32gb disk right? | 18:44 |
| Damion2 | fsvo nicely. Okay it's impressive enough to demo that it works, including gears style gps, and hover mouse interaction, but it's not great | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | dnaumov: depends on _what_ you reflash | 18:45 |
| Damion2 | google docs is impressive too, but not exactly that useable | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | dnaumov: if you reflash the root partition, your user data is safe | 18:45 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: and this is the only thing which you can *reflash* | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you reflash your eMMC then you'll certainly lose all of your eMMC's data (which is where your user data lives) | 18:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: well given that one uses 'flasher' to reflash both pieces | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | they're all flash memory underneath | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it's just a matter of one having write/wear-leveling and being considerably bigger+slower than the other | 18:46 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: sure, but eMMC is not exposed as flash but as block device | 18:46 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 18:46 | |
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| timeless_mbp | to this confused user, he has to understand that he needs to reflash the right thing | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | because otherwise he could reflash the wrong thing and be very unhappy | 18:47 |
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| jon1012 | soeey got disconnected by my 3g provider | 18:48 |
| jon1012 | sorry* | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: to usb eMMC *is* exposed as a flash | 18:50 |
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| Trizt | anyone know if there are plans to allow to use more than one skype account at the same time? | 18:52 |
| Damion2 | what happens if you enable two at the same time now ? | 18:52 |
| Trizt | Damion2; the first one is diconnected | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke skype | 18:52 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at skype ... B☢☢M! | 18:52 | |
| VDVsx | nooooo, skype is cool :) | 18:53 |
| VDVsx | and useful :) | 18:53 |
| Damion2 | Trizt: it might be an issue of limited details passed around (dbus?) to notify the im/voip client of things like incoming calls | 18:53 |
| dazo | skype is crap | 18:53 |
| cehteh | not cool but useful | 18:53 |
| tybollt | misserable piece of shit | 18:54 |
| VDVsx | ~nuke skype haters | 18:54 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at skype haters ... B☢☢M! | 18:54 | |
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| tybollt | but sicne no free alternative -> what you use :) | 18:54 |
| Damion2 | skype is evil, in typically sandal wearing treehugging debian using fashion. But it's actually very usable and nice :-p | 18:54 |
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| tybollt | ja | 18:54 |
| Damion2 | google talk is okay and allows video on the n900 | 18:54 |
| tybollt | at some point you have to be pragmatic | 18:54 |
| dazo | proprietary crap, which don't dare to play with open cards ..... SIP is cool .... the idea behind skype is cool ... the skype closedness and proprietary part is not cool | 18:54 |
| Trizt | Damion2; not sure, as I haven't seen the source code, but they do limit one account/client in desktop versions too, so I tend to run skype as different users to get around the problem | 18:54 |
| cehteh | well one could set up some asterisks everyone for himself and his friends or so (gating into mobile and landline telephoen networks is a bit expensive) | 18:55 |
| * dazo would like to see ekiga working though | 18:55 | |
| tybollt | you don't get to diss skype while shutting up about the sgx poarts in your device :) | 18:55 |
| cehteh | but after all some fair share p2p systen accounting dit for dat would be nice | 18:55 |
| Damion2 | cehteh: it's far too much hassle, and skype's firewall traversal is reliable and desktop friendly | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: wrooong | 18:55 |
| cehteh | Damion2: skypes firewall traversal is not black magic | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you don't need * | 18:56 |
| Damion2 | no but it's already set up and works | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and gateway is cheaper than skype | 18:56 |
| cehteh | there is nothing to setup | 18:56 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: huh? | 18:56 |
| * mgedmin has objections to a single company controlling the world's phone infrastructure | 18:56 | |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: imagine i want to call some landline in chile? | 18:56 |
| cehteh | from my german internet | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: there's a million SIP providers out there | 18:57 |
| Damion2 | cehteh: stun servers and stuff | 18:57 |
| Trizt | DocScrutinizer; and does it offer phone numbers abroad for a low cost? | 18:57 |
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| tybollt | mgedmin: but you are fine w/ google controlling ... just about fucking everything? | 18:57 |
| Damion2 | tybollt: MS already control most stuff | 18:57 |
| tybollt | no | 18:57 |
| cehteh | yes but well these may be better than skype for technicall reasons but from political view its the same bullshit | 18:57 |
| tybollt | not traffic ona intarwebz | 18:57 |
| tybollt | or information ona intarwebz | 18:58 |
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| Damion2 | tybollt: everyone uses bing | 18:58 |
| tybollt | there is the googlers | 18:58 |
| tybollt | Damion2: dern it, I knew I forgot about that :-D | 18:58 |
| Damion2 | I stopped using cuil when bing came around | 18:58 |
| ali12341 | google doesn't control anything but the internet advertising market, and poersonally i don't care if a bunch of marketing wonks are getting screwed | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Trizt: go find out | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | tybollt, google doesn't control _my_ mail | 18:58 |
| Damion2 | yeah, click on the links and all you do is cost some advertiser money | 18:58 |
| * tybollt using Jeeve's myself ;) | 18:58 | |
| Damion2 | although google try hard to at least make the links relevant | 18:59 |
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| Damion2 | twould be better if people stopped assuming the worst, wearing tin foil hats and balking at stuff like personallised ads. | 18:59 |
| tybollt | mgedmin: chances are fifty fifty (if in US) at some point your mail will traverse googlers infratructure and as you don't pgp your email - they own you =)) | 18:59 |
| Damion2 | I'm looking forward to only seeing ads for gadgets even if looking at porn | 18:59 |
| * mgedmin actually pgp-signs his every mail | 18:59 | |
| Damion2 | mgedmin: what are you hiding? | 19:00 |
| * mgedmin wonders if Damion2 knows what "signature" means | 19:00 | |
| mgedmin | not my identity, obviously | 19:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | 168 // : child entity has been finished. store it as a | 19:00 |
| ShadowJK | I'm looking forward to google figuring out I dont live in holland | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | 169 // a childen to the node this parser is parsing. | 19:00 |
| tybollt | mgedmin: Blimey thar mate-y. What when old grandma mgedmin opens up a mail and ol she gets is hashes? :) | 19:00 |
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| mgedmin | I *am* hiding my PGP passphrase, though ;) | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone please help me divine the meaning of 'childen' there? | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/source/MCL/sf/mw/appinstall/ncdengine/provider/protocol/src/ncd_parser_pp_subscriptionreport.cpp#169 | 19:00 |
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| Damion2 | mgedmin: oh, authenticity | 19:01 |
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| flux | soo, why is hildon-home at the top of powertop's activity list even though the screen is off?-) (2400 wakeups) | 19:01 |
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| mgedmin | flux, some plugin? | 19:01 |
| Damion2 | yeah but nobody looking at your email knows whether the random string of hex at the bottom is yours unless they're using a client that will check | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | flux, try disabling them one by one? | 19:01 |
| Shapeshifter | umm, is there a way to get alt/meta in the terminal to be able to switch windows n irssi? | 19:01 |
| Damion2 | most people see your pgp signature and just ignore it as noise at the bottom | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | flux, my n900 doesn't show hildon-desktop when I run powertop | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: nah, better to turn them all off first to get a sane baseline | 19:02 |
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| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: escape 1 .. 4 | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | Shapeshifter, esc followed by a letter/number == alt+letter/number in a terminal | 19:02 |
| flux | mgedmin, good point, actually now I recall enabling pedometer on the day :) | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp, flux, actually, why not turn half of them and bisect? | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: yeah well | 19:02 |
| Damion2 | flux: pedo meter? don't hold that near gary glitter ;) | 19:02 |
| Damion2 | twould go off the scale | 19:03 |
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| mgedmin | answer: because it's too hard to keep the intermediate steps in my mind ;) | 19:03 |
| Damion2 | sorry everyone | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | better to start from off and add half than try bisecting only to discover the baseline sucks | 19:03 |
| Shapeshifter | thanks. | 19:03 |
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| flux | yeah, that was it :) | 19:03 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, so they've been "open sourcing" symbian for what, a year or two now, where "open sourcing" means hiding the most embarassing bits... imagine what it was like before :-) | 19:03 |
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| Damion2 | Shapeshifter: if like me you've removed the bottom bar as you can do pretty much everything without it, you need Ctrl-A:stuff ^[ | 19:03 |
| flux | it's sort of annyoing that the hildon widgets aren't separate processes, but I suppose this is more efficient | 19:04 |
| Damion2 | I use ^C in vim which works as esc | 19:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: the two modules i indexed didn't seem to have any obvious curse words | 19:04 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, this weeks issue looks good. Thanks for picking up the slack. :) | 19:04 |
| timeless_mbp | flux: s/hildon widgets/hildon home applets/ | 19:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | hildon widgets are by definition ... widgets, and part of the hildon widget toolkit :) | 19:04 |
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| Trizt | is it possible somehow to have the same widget on more than one desktop? | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | no :) | 19:06 |
| Trizt | :( | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's possible to only have one desktop :) | 19:06 |
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| Trizt | yes, but one desktop is too small for all widgets | 19:06 |
| Damion2 | can they overlap | 19:06 |
| Damion2 | ? | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | sure | 19:06 |
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| * ShadowJK has one widget | 19:07 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer thinks it should be possible to have similar widgets on even one desktop | 19:08 | |
| * Damion2 pretty much only runs osso-terminal | 19:08 | |
| adalal | anyone help me transferring/syncing music... | 19:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how that'll help to solve the missing-space issue though | 19:08 | |
| ShadowJK | x-terminal, browser and xchat :) | 19:08 |
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| ShadowJK | and media player occasionally | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you can't install a widget multiple times, then that's an issue of the widget | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see cmdline-execution-widget, which has learnt to install multiple instances recently | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: same here | 19:12 |
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| Damion2 | ShadowJK: just type xchat& from osso-terminal ;) | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | A long time ago, xchat had a terminal tab :) | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 19:15 |
| Trizt | Oh, something I miss with widgets are the possibility to resize them as in KDE4 | 19:16 |
| adalal | what do i do if i get a hash sum failure while reloading the Development Repository | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Konversation still has | 19:17 |
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| Sho_ | DocScrutinizer51: Some people like to have their MUD clients in the same window as their IRC client | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | adalal: try again later | 19:18 |
| adalal | k | 19:18 |
| * SpeedEvil backstabs Sho_ with the blessed +5 noodle. | 19:18 | |
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| Sho_ | SpeedEvil: :) | 19:19 |
| Vanadis | hai thar | 19:19 |
| Vanadis | how do i install libgles? | 19:19 |
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| * SpeedEvil is not going anywhere near MUDs. I lost a year or two to them. | 19:22 | |
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| woglinde | Vanadis in scratchbox? | 19:24 |
| Vanadis | propably | 19:24 |
| adalal | i think i just found a bug... when my phone is connected to my computer in charging-only mode, it doesn't receive the proper wlan dhcp configurations on connection :S | 19:24 |
| woglinde | Vanadis ????? | 19:25 |
| Vanadis | ? | 19:25 |
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| woglinde | Vanadis please give me 50 euros I deserve it | 19:25 |
| Vanadis | lolwut | 19:25 |
| Dassu | Does n900 email client have any type of attachment size limites /email size limits? I'm trying to send about 6MB email through gmail. (Maximum supported message size by gmail = 25MB ) | 19:25 |
| Dassu | ? | 19:25 |
| adalal | shouldn't | 19:26 |
| woglinde | Vanadis you see please explain your problem in a proper manner | 19:26 |
| Vanadis | okay | 19:26 |
| Vanadis | well, i tried to install openArena, but there was an error ("you need libgles") | 19:26 |
| Damion2 | okay xroar (dragon32) emulator built | 19:26 |
| pupnik | brussels is the lair of the beast :) | 19:26 |
| pupnik | got a website Damion2 ? | 19:27 |
| satmd | mail messages get inflated by base64 encoding, usually about 1/3 of size | 19:27 |
| satmd | if that's helping anyone | 19:27 |
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| shinkamui | good afternoon | 19:29 |
| shinkamui | yay! Garage team approved my blender project! | 19:29 |
| shinkamui | :) | 19:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | I submitted blender for the n900 a while ago | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 to the blender | 19:30 |
| Damion2 | pupnik: pretty much, but syncing to it isn't trivial. I can upload the binary, but tbh I aught to just put it in extras-devel | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.willitblend.com/suggestions.aspx | 19:30 |
| Damion2 | which if I understand, is easy to do? | 19:30 |
| shinkamui | man, thats messy | 19:30 |
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| shinkamui | blending an N900 would be as sacrilegious as calling an iPhone a smart device | 19:31 |
| shinkamui | speaking of which, I picked my 3gs up after not having looked at it for a month | 19:31 |
| Damion2 | the last time my parents visited they showed me their £15 PAYG cheapo crap phones | 19:31 |
| shinkamui | the interface is pretty damn smooth (the scrolling) but after about 5 minutes I remembered why I had abandoned it | 19:32 |
| Damion2 | both could browse the web, one was touchscreen and fancy the other a nokia S40 with all the mod cons | 19:32 |
| Damion2 | I'm not entirely show what phone today _isn't_ a smart phone | 19:32 |
| Damion2 | shinkamui: I got my 3yo a 2nd hand iphone for xmas, it's good for 3yo | 19:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3762322&culture=en-GB ? | 19:35 |
| ruskie | :) | 19:35 |
| Damion2 | nokia 6500 is actually excellent | 19:36 |
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| Damion2 | I think that's the one | 19:36 |
| Damion2 | my dads wasn't £15quid | 19:36 |
| Damion2 | he has the 6500 | 19:36 |
| Damion2 | my mum's was | 19:36 |
| * ruskie goes back to figuring out a decent unbreaking procedure... | 19:36 | |
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| woglinde | hms touchbook is worser as n900 | 19:37 |
| Damion2 | wow the 1208 has loads of technical specs | 19:37 |
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| adalal | anyone knows how to get the upnp working on MediaBox? | 19:38 |
| dnaumov | the flasher does work on 64bit operating systems, right? | 19:39 |
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| Damion2 | dnaumov: as everyone is quiet I'll answer that I don't know, but I have seen loads of people ask that, you might need to run it 32bit, presumably your kernel has support? | 19:42 |
| Damion2 | it might be a bit of an issue | 19:43 |
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| ruskie | I couldn't get it to work on 64 myself | 19:45 |
| ruskie | but I have no 32bit userspace | 19:45 |
| ruskie | only the 32bit support in the kernel | 19:45 |
| Damion2 | you probably only need a tiny bit of 32bit userspace | 19:46 |
| Damion2 | and could ld.so spawn it | 19:46 |
| dnaumov | well I have a Win7 desktop | 19:46 |
| Damion2 | shh don't say that here! | 19:46 |
| Damion2 | ;) | 19:46 |
| Damion2 | surely that can run 32bit stuff? | 19:46 |
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| dnaumov | well thats what I'd figured, 98% of my software is 32bit | 19:47 |
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| dnaumov | its just that 64bit versions of windows seems to normally run 32bit software, but 32bit Windows doesnt run 64bit apps | 19:47 |
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| dnaumov | so I was just curious if the fact that the flasher is branded as 32bit makes any difference | 19:47 |
| Damion2 | I learnt vmware can run 64bit stuff on a 32bit host if your cpu supports it | 19:48 |
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| Damion2 | I don't know about windows | 19:48 |
| Damion2 | not recently, I can't help sorry | 19:48 |
| Damion2 | I used win3.11, win98 and stopped about there | 19:49 |
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| Damion2 | and those were just infrequent chance uses | 19:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | zerojay: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/source/appinstall-badwords.txt part 2 :) | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it's slightly longer :) | 19:57 |
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| fragment | timeless_mbp: where is that collected from and how? | 20:01 |
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| otep | #/j linux-ph | 20:02 |
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| jophish | dnaumov, I have been using the flasher on a 64bit debian installation with no problems | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | fragment: symbian code repos | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | do a search in the directory for a word and it'll show you | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | using aspell and manual pruning | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | (i had time to kill flying home from paris) | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | fragment: there are something like 150..450 hg repos from symbian.org | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and i picked the first two for kicks | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | next step is writing an algorithm to 'fix' the strings | 20:08 |
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| Inhetep | is it common that evince produces some kind of graphical 'lag' effect with kinetic scrolling? | 20:08 |
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| jebba | jebba@mas:/var/www/repository.maemo.org$ mkdir /var/www/timeless | 20:10 |
| jebba | jebba@mas:/var/www/repository.maemo.org$ sudo chown timeless:timeless /var/www/timeless | 20:10 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp | 20:10 |
| fragment | timeless_mbp: so many different ways to write capabilities <3 | 20:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | fragment: impressive isn't it? | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: thanks | 20:12 |
| fragment | timeless_mbp: yes. | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: hehe, on your mission to save the world from fingrish? | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: we'll see | 20:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | in case people are curious 'finnish' is in the list because in one case they meant 'finish' not Finnish | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | (yes, i had to check) | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, off to dinner | 20:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | bon apetit | 20:13 |
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| Inhetep | hmm | 20:14 |
| * RST38h sacrifices a kitten | 20:14 | |
| * SpeedEvil scarifies a kitten. | 20:15 | |
| * sp3000 knits a sacrifice | 20:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: SpeedEvil: got Rottweilers? | 20:16 |
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| N900evil | no. | 20:16 |
| N900evil | just dead koi. | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't scare a kitten ;-P | 20:17 |
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| N900evil | will if it ate them | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | man bites dog? | 20:18 |
| N900evil | ice covering pond. pond airpump broke. fvish died. not got them out yet | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | kitten will love them anyway | 20:19 |
| RST38h | DocS: Got the Tentacled One's altar. | 20:20 |
| RST38h | hehe, SOurceForge gave in | 20:21 |
| RST38h | made exports control user-selectable | 20:21 |
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| adalal | can someone point out where images are stored on the n900? | 20:27 |
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| adalal | like the default backgrounds, and also the sample music tracks | 20:27 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: pong | 20:28 |
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| jophish | adalal, in /home/user/MyDocs/.images | 20:29 |
| jophish | and /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds | 20:29 |
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| adalal | thanks | 20:31 |
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| jophish | no problem | 20:32 |
| simoneb_ | is there some way to make album art not show up in the picture browser? | 20:34 |
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| adalal | jophish: are there any syncing methods for music? or is it through usb file-by-file transfer only? | 20:37 |
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| jophish | You could easily do it through usb transfer. | 20:39 |
| jophish | must be loads of syncing programs just for that | 20:39 |
| mtnbkr | rsync comes to mind. | 20:40 |
| mtnbkr | not gui but effieicnt. :) | 20:40 |
| simoneb_ | also amarok or banshee should do it | 20:40 |
| jophish | mtnbkr, the best kind | 20:40 |
| mtnbkr | jophish: yep. | 20:40 |
| jophish | at the moment I'm porting mpc to Maemo. | 20:41 |
| simoneb_ | it's me or maesheep is not available for download? | 20:41 |
| simoneb_ | i've read about it on the maemo.org front page and i got curious | 20:42 |
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| trumee | guys, i have installed qt in scratchbox. If i run designer i get a segmentation fault. anybody knows what is going on. http://pastebin.com/m6a2c498e | 20:45 |
| trumee | is this not the way an application needs to be run in maemo5? | 20:46 |
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| mikhas | trumee, you need to run-standalone.sh your_app | 20:51 |
| trumee | mikhas: ah! thanks | 20:52 |
| mikhas | run-standalone.sh setups the env vars | 20:52 |
| trumee | mikhas: i am still getting a core dump | 20:52 |
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| mikhas | the same? | 20:52 |
| trumee | mikhas: yes exactly the same | 20:53 |
| mikhas | well, you are probably not supposed to run designer inside of sbox anyway | 20:53 |
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| mikhas | oh, let's move to qt-maemo | 20:54 |
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| shinkamui | pupnik, you using Madde or the Scratchbox | 20:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | uhm. I must be blind, but I can't see how to change the sim pin. | 21:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | on the n900. | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | settings | 21:04 |
| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: well it's not settings->general->device lock | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | settings -> phone | 21:04 |
| Shapeshifter | ahh there at the bottom. thanks :) | 21:04 |
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| shinkamui | does anyone here use Madde yet for development? | 21:06 |
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| ShadowJK | So now when there were beagleboards at fosdem playing 1080p onto a 3840x2160 or something big videowall, how long until t.m.o is full again of "1080p should be peanuts!"-threads? :P | 21:13 |
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| thresh | it was 1024x3 + 768*2 :) | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | ssshhh | 21:14 |
| thresh | and it played 1080p with 2.35 ar among all three, so it was more like SD on each BB | 21:14 |
| thresh | pretty cool though indeed, ffmpeg guys rule | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | yes but the tmo crowd doesn't care about stuff like facts | 21:15 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm trying to do ctrl-r in x-terminal (search back), but it just writes a blankspace. | 21:15 |
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| ShadowJK | They'd surely think that if a beowulf cluster of beagleboards can play something at 3*1024 x 2*768, then a single beagleboard should be able to play 1400p@60fps h264-lossless ;-) | 21:17 |
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| ShadowJK | or a single n900 | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: It depends on how many Oct2009ers visit FOSDEM | 21:21 |
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| * ioeee saluda o/ | 21:23 | |
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| _Jozeph_ | Hello! | 21:25 |
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| _Jozeph_ | Anyone knows some AR application available for N900? | 21:25 |
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| _Jozeph_ | Hello? | 21:26 |
| Realcomix | hi | 21:26 |
| _Jozeph_ | Hi Realcomix | 21:26 |
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| Xisdibik | _Jozeph_: AR application? | 21:27 |
| _Jozeph_ | I think there is no one here... | 21:27 |
| _Jozeph_ | Xisdibik, yes man. Augmented Reality Application. | 21:27 |
| Realcomix | i just got here | 21:27 |
| _Jozeph_ | Like acrossair for iPhone. | 21:27 |
| Xisdibik | _Jozeph_: I havnt actively look for one in the repos, so dunno | 21:27 |
| _Jozeph_ | try acrossair on youtube. | 21:28 |
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| _Jozeph_ | no problem. | 21:28 |
| Xisdibik | _Jozeph_: i know what augmented reality is.. i just didnt link AR > AUgmented Reality ;P | 21:28 |
| _Jozeph_ | Everything is recent... | 21:28 |
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| _Jozeph_ | ahh, sorry man | 21:28 |
| _Jozeph_ | Many people does't. | 21:28 |
| _Jozeph_ | So sorry!!! | 21:28 |
| Xisdibik | its fine :p | 21:29 |
| _Jozeph_ | Xisdibik, do you develop? | 21:29 |
| _Jozeph_ | Do you know some ide/environment for maemo developers on desktop? | 21:29 |
| _Jozeph_ | I'm downloading that maemovm... | 21:29 |
| Xisdibik | _Jozeph_: nope I just use ;) | 21:30 |
| _Jozeph_ | I will try to help the RS project. | 21:30 |
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| Xisdibik | ok | 21:31 |
| _Jozeph_ | improving more features, basically features available on 'Remote Tracker' for Windows Mobile. | 21:31 |
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| _Jozeph_ | http://remotetracker.sourceforge.net/ | 21:31 |
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| _Jozeph_ | Alguém fala Português aqui? | 21:32 |
| _Jozeph_ | Algum brasileiro? ;-D | 21:32 |
| _Jozeph_ | I don't think so... | 21:32 |
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| _Jozeph_ | infobot, hello! Long time that I use IRC... | 21:33 |
| _Jozeph_ | infobot, I just don't belive that you still alive! ;-D | 21:33 |
| infobot | You just don't belive that you still alive! ;-D? | 21:33 |
| _Jozeph_ | infobot, do you know augmented reality? | 21:34 |
| infobot | yes, I know augmented reality. | 21:34 |
| Xisdibik | were you asking if i was brazilian _Jozeph_ ? | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | _Jozeph_: awkward question, did you use to frequent either unrealircd or l4ka? :P | 21:34 |
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| _Jozeph_ | Xisdibik, sorry. I'm just ask if someone present is brazilian. | 21:35 |
| _Jozeph_ | Stskeeps, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S ME! | 21:35 |
| Xisdibik | ah ok | 21:35 |
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| Xisdibik | :p | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | _Jozeph_: scary :P | 21:35 |
| _Jozeph_ | Stskeeps, Long, long, long, long time!!!! | 21:35 |
| _Jozeph_ | ehaueahaeu | 21:35 |
| Xisdibik | ill leave you two to... reunite ;) | 21:35 |
| _Jozeph_ | I'm still alive! | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | me too, much to my own surprise | 21:35 |
| _Jozeph_ | Xisdibik, Stskeeps is a very very very old friend. | 21:36 |
| Xisdibik | i dont doubt it ;) | 21:36 |
| _Jozeph_ | Stskeeps, are you still developing unrealircd? | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | _Jozeph_: nop, moved on and now my job is maemo.org distmaster | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | which is a lot better for my sanity | 21:37 |
| _Jozeph_ | Unfortunately after finish university my priorities has changed... | 21:37 |
| _Jozeph_ | Oh man! | 21:37 |
| _Jozeph_ | I'm very happy for you! | 21:37 |
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| _Jozeph_ | Nokia passed so for away from here with N900... But... Globalization helps to obtain some facilities, like N900. | 21:39 |
| _Jozeph_ | I've purchased one US version a few days ago. | 21:39 |
| _Jozeph_ | and I just don't belive all the possibilities that this device can provide. | 21:40 |
| MiXu- | It's awesome :) | 21:40 |
| _Jozeph_ | Stskeeps, are you one of that famous guys on youtube presenting maemo? | 21:40 |
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| Stskeeps | _Jozeph_: dunno, maybe :) | 21:44 |
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| _Jozeph_ | http://video.golem.de/handy/2320/nokia-n900-praesentation-von-jussi-maekinen.html | 21:45 |
| _Jozeph_ | Stskeeps, http://video.golem.de/handy/2320/nokia-n900-praesentation-von-jussi-maekinen.html | 21:45 |
| _Jozeph_ | Are you still committing your code files with stskeeps, or it's just an irc nickname? ;D | 21:46 |
| X-Fade | http://www.johanpaul.com/blog/2010/02/nokia-ui-extensions-for-mobile-compiled-in-ubuntu-and-maemo-5-sdk/ | 21:47 |
| acidjazz | what are these urls | 21:47 |
| acidjazz | too old | 21:47 |
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| _Jozeph_ | acidjazz, I know that... You need to read history to understand... :D | 21:47 |
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| acidjazz | MEH | 21:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | so, I see there's claws mail for OS2008, but I can't find one for maemo5. Can anyone recommend a different mail client to the one builtin? Also, I added extra but midori is not in it. I'm kinda confused as I thought it was pretty far in progress. Isn't it in there? | 21:48 |
| Xisdibik | Shapeshifter: let me check which one they are in | 21:49 |
| * SpeedEvil just uses google. | 21:49 | |
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| Stskeeps | _Jozeph_: carsten munk / stskeeps | 21:50 |
| * Xisdibik uses MfE | 21:50 | |
| Xisdibik | Shapeshifter: claws-mail = extras-devel | 21:51 |
| Shapeshifter | Xisdibik: ahh, thanks | 21:51 |
| _Jozeph_ | Stskeeps, I'm very happy to see you after so long time. | 21:51 |
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| Xisdibik | and midori is extras-devel as well | 21:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | Xisdibik: in MfE real imap is impossible right? also, ymmv, right? | 21:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | at least for google I mean | 21:52 |
| Shapeshifter | gmail. | 21:52 |
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| Xisdibik | gmail is a hoe for MfE, so i went ahead and paid the $25 for 1 year of NeuvaSync (mighta spelled that wrong) | 21:52 |
| Xisdibik | which works with gmail flawlessly | 21:52 |
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| Xisdibik | for everything except task | 21:52 |
| Xisdibik | tasks* | 21:52 |
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| Xisdibik | although multiple calenders are not supported as the n900 software doesnt support it yet | 21:53 |
| Xisdibik | its already supported neuvasync wise | 21:53 |
| Xisdibik | theres a 5 day free trial if u wanna test it out | 21:53 |
| Xisdibik | and its free for calender/contact syncing, only the mail is $25 a year | 21:54 |
| Shapeshifter | nah, I'm not even sure I like the n900's mail app | 21:54 |
| Shapeshifter | claws is fine if it looks good, I'm messing with the repo atm ;) | 21:54 |
| Xisdibik | sofar with Neuvasync its been epic win | 21:54 |
| _Jozeph_ | Xisdibik, have you tried 'Conduit' ? | 21:55 |
| Xisdibik | nope | 21:55 |
| _Jozeph_ | Xisdibik, are you use Windows or Linux on PC? | 21:55 |
| Xisdibik | Both ;) | 21:55 |
| _Jozeph_ | Great! | 21:55 |
| _Jozeph_ | Xisdibik, try conduit. | 21:55 |
| Xisdibik | whats conduit? | 21:55 |
| _Jozeph_ | Xisdibik, a very nice sync software. | 21:56 |
| _Jozeph_ | free | 21:56 |
| Xisdibik | ah | 21:56 |
| _Jozeph_ | Stskeeps, now I'm following you on tw. | 21:57 |
| Xisdibik | it syncs with a PC though | 21:57 |
| Xisdibik | NeuvaSync is an exchange server | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | _Jozeph_: yeah, it's not very interesting ;) | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 21:57 |
| _Jozeph_ | Xisdibik, sync with many things... | 21:57 |
| Xisdibik | does it have an exchange server, so i can sync my phone with my gmail account? | 21:57 |
| Xisdibik | using MfE | 21:57 |
| Xisdibik | anyways, class is over, i need to nom nom some lunch | 21:57 |
| _Jozeph_ | Stskeeps, no problem. I just would like to keep you in my contacts. :D It's not everyday that I found a old friend. | 21:57 |
| Xisdibik | ill be back later | 21:57 |
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| jophish | Does anybody here use mpd/mpc | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | haye it when the n900 gets stuck in portrait mode | 22:03 |
| * MohammadAG kills hildon-desktop | 22:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | fvwm++ | 22:04 |
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| MohammadAG | lol it's stuck in half portrait mode | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | might have to kill systemui | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | killall -FIRE * | 22:10 |
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| _Jozeph_ | Stskeeps, did you receive pvt msgs? | 22:12 |
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| RST38h | The researchers found that people who reported feeling a great deal of boredom were 37 per cent more likely to have died by the end of the study. | 22:13 |
| _Jozeph_ | See you later... I will connect from home. | 22:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Easy cure for boredom. | 22:15 |
| * SpeedEvil gets out the flamethrower. | 22:15 | |
| RST38h | excessive | 22:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | True. Thumbscrews work too. | 22:17 |
| niekt0 | http://johny.sk/n900/he2.jpg | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't be silly. | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | helium is monatomic. | 22:19 |
| jophish | niekt0, portrait mode terminal? Tricky to use the keyboard | 22:20 |
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| niekt0 | my friend just take n900, contact list was vertical, rotated phone, and killed contact list app before it can rotate. Now whole desktop is vertical;) | 22:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | xrandr -o left works too | 22:22 |
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| wackl | niekt0: i had the option enabled to start the phone app when rotated. after this i got the rotated desktop/applications multiple times when rotated at the "wrong" time | 22:24 |
| niekt0 | stupid race condition, but it's funny;) | 22:27 |
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| jophish | In the garage autobuilder, is there any way to get it to use debhelper7? | 22:50 |
| jophish | here is the error: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libmpdclient_2.1-1maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 22:50 |
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| jophish | there is also this error https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mpc_0.19-2maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 22:51 |
| jophish | to compile that package, the -dev deb of the previous package is needed | 22:51 |
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| jophish | presumably once the previous one compiles correctly, the second one will too. | 22:52 |
| tripzero | when is ovi-maps navigation coming to the n900/maemo? | 22:52 |
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| jophish | would it help to put debhelper7 into the build dependencies? | 22:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | tripzero: a question without a (public) answer. | 22:54 |
| * tripzero cries | 22:55 | |
| * SpeedEvil dries tripzeros tears. | 22:56 | |
| * SpeedEvil puts away the flamethrower. | 22:56 | |
| tripzero | thanks, and ouch | 22:56 |
| * tripzero wonders why it's being held back... | 22:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | It's probably rather expensive to license. | 22:57 |
| tripzero | nokia owns it tho, don't they? | 22:57 |
| jophish | I guessed that it would take developer time better spent elsewhere | 22:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | oops - I forgot that, yes. | 22:58 |
| tripzero | navigation is a killer app | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | though I'm unsure how integrated the internal accounting is. | 22:58 |
| tripzero | seems like resources for it would be crucial | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | the buisness structure may work so that nokia-phone has to pay nokia-maps money | 22:58 |
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| tripzero | oh, is it because n900 is unlocked? | 22:59 |
| jophish | wow, that would be crazy | 22:59 |
| tripzero | so they don't have a carrier deal to make reoccuring money off it? | 22:59 |
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| doubleukay | hi guys, do you guys know any way to sync tasks in the n900, to thunderbird? | 23:01 |
| doubleukay | I tried syncing with google calendar as it interoperates with both exchange and caldav, but it turns out they don't sync tasks | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | tripzero: it's a seperate issue - though yes it is genreally unlocked | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | jophish: You expected corporate accounting to make sense? | 23:03 |
| jophish | A fraction of a percent, yes | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It may have done before the turn of the millenium (999->1000) but not since. | 23:03 |
| wirelessdreamer | nokia has almost always been focused on unsubsidised handsets though | 23:03 |
| jophish | hahahah | 23:03 |
| tripzero | hmm... looks like it will be available for the n900? http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/01/21/nokia-n900-to-get-nokia-ovi-maps-free-navigation/ | 23:05 |
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| tripzero | "eventually" | 23:05 |
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| luke-jr | free? really? | 23:06 |
| v13 | ? | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | or just gratis? -.- | 23:06 |
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| v13 | I used ovi-maps navigation and i haven't paid anything | 23:06 |
| tripzero | probably just gratis | 23:06 |
| jophish | tripzero, the quote was for maemo, not for the n900 | 23:06 |
| wirelessdreamer | n1000 | 23:06 |
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| tripzero | lol | 23:06 |
| jophish | most likely for Maemo 6 | 23:06 |
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| tripzero | maemo 6 better work on the n900 | 23:06 |
| tripzero | or i'm going to cry more | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | tripzero: unlikely. | 23:07 |
| tripzero | boo | 23:07 |
| woglinde | go crying now | 23:07 |
| tripzero | why the heck not | 23:07 |
| doubleukay | ps aux | 23:07 |
| doubleukay | oops | 23:07 |
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| luke-jr | tripzero: because Nokia has no interest in supporting devices you've already paid for? | 23:07 |
| jophish | tripzero, the same reason that Fremantle doesn't run on the n810 | 23:07 |
| wirelessdreamer | next device better have usb host | 23:07 |
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| tripzero | jophish, i thought that was a hardware difference | 23:08 |
| tripzero | ie, opengl support is lacking on the n8x | 23:08 |
| woglinde | tripzero hm not really | 23:08 |
| tripzero | n900 runs opengl like a champ | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | tripzero: Nokia stopped supporting N8x0 almost a year before N900 was released | 23:08 |
| wirelessdreamer | they're still better then sharp, they didn't support the zaurus line at all | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | longer, for some parts | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | wirelessdreamer: true | 23:09 |
| wirelessdreamer | and at least there is a sane base to start with in maemo | 23:09 |
| wirelessdreamer | well . . . semi-sane | 23:09 |
| mak89k | hey, i have downloaded the maemo sdk from the forums.nokia.com .. the simulator works fine.. now want start writing some apps.. what is the best IDE for this? | 23:09 |
| wirelessdreamer | python needs help | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | and N900 is better than N8x0 | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | but still | 23:10 |
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| luke-jr | wirelessdreamer: Python needs help period. that's not Nokia's fault ;:p | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | mak89k: Qt Creator? | 23:10 |
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| mak89k | is there a maemo plugin for it? | 23:10 |
| wirelessdreamer | but they patially packages 2.3 and 2.5 | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | mak89k: the key thing is to write the app on your main system, and just be aware that the screen will be smalelr | 23:10 |
| wirelessdreamer | its a real pain to get any real python app running | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | mak89k: maybe test it with 640x480 windows | 23:11 |
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| wirelessdreamer | s/packages/packaged/ | 23:11 |
| luke-jr | mak89k: once it works locally, then worry about cross-compiling it | 23:11 |
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| mak89k | luke-jr: ok il keep it in mind.. so how do i go abt using qt for maemo | 23:12 |
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| mak89k | ? | 23:13 |
| wirelessdreamer | mak89k: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Qt_for_Maemo | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | mak89k: writing platform-specific software is bad by design | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | :) | 23:13 |
| mak89k | luke-jr: ok :) i have installed the sdk 5 using gui installer.. is there anything else i should configure? | 23:15 |
| mak89k | wirelessdreamer: thanks !! | 23:15 |
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| MohammadAG | coarse accuracy means using the cell tower | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | what's fine accuracy | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | GPS | 23:16 |
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| mak89k | i get the sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: prompt.. | 23:17 |
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| MohammadAG | ty SpeedEvil, just making sure | 23:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Whater' you trying. | 23:18 |
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| Vanadis | hai | 23:20 |
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| Vanadis | i'm having a really strange problem with my n900 | 23:20 |
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| tripzero | umpossible | 23:21 |
| Vanadis | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=493104&postcount=190 | 23:22 |
| Vanadis | the upper is my keyboard-layout | 23:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Vanadis: Is it causing you to have disturbing dreams of palaces of ice filled with dusky maidens with antlers? | 23:22 |
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| jophish | If I promote a package to testing, is it necessary to promote the dbg, dev and doc packages? | 23:22 |
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| Vanadis | and it seems, i have changed the "." and "," button to left-button | 23:23 |
| Vanadis | oh wait | 23:23 |
| Vanadis | all other buttons are changed too -.- | 23:24 |
| merp | greetings. attempting to get palm bluetooth keyboard 3245ww working with n900. It pairs fine, but not much else. Opening up memo, typing on keyboard doesn't do anythign. obviously I'm missing a step. can someone point out where I configure bluetooth keyboard options? thanks. | 23:24 |
| b-man17 | Vanadis: did you recently install anything that has to do with ketymapping? | 23:24 |
| b-man17 | *key | 23:25 |
| Vanadis | not particularly, but i guess this is the problem | 23:25 |
| X-Fade | merp: hid is disabled in bluez config, you need to enable it. | 23:25 |
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| merp | ok, so follow this then: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles ? | 23:25 |
| Vanadis | is there any good way to see, which keyboard-settings are used? | 23:26 |
| X-Fade | merp: Yes. | 23:26 |
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| merp | thanks X-Fade | 23:26 |
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| b-man17 | Vanadis: what was the last thing you installed before this happened? | 23:26 |
| Vanadis | i guess it was qtirreco | 23:27 |
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| b-man17 | or changed | 23:30 |
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| Vanadis | dunno, i think i'm just going to reflash it | 23:30 |
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| simoneb_ | is there a way to start osso_notes with a file of my choice? like in, "gedit/vim/nano mytextfile.txt" | 23:34 |
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| simoneb_ | osso_notes mytextfile.txt always starts with the last modified file | 23:34 |
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| Vanadis | how long does reflashing usually goes on N900? | 23:41 |
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| X-Fade | Vanadis: 20 seconds? | 23:42 |
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| Vanadis | too long -.- | 23:43 |
| b-man17 | lol | 23:43 |
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| microlith | reflash probably takes a minute or two | 23:44 |
| microlith | the progress indicators are reliable | 23:44 |
| Vanadis | don't need to reflash, resetting in the "settings-menu" did it | 23:44 |
| microlith | which reminds me | 23:45 |
| microlith | does anyone know if there's a maemo-targeted of the util-linux-ng package? | 23:45 |
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| microlith | busybox's mount command is pissing me off | 23:45 |
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| microlith | maemo-targeted package* | 23:46 |
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| jophish | How often does the testing repository update promoted packages? | 23:51 |
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| jebba | once an hour i think. | 23:55 |
| X-Fade | 1800 seconds for it to be visible on the repository (worst case) | 23:56 |
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