| RST38h | I will bitch about that though, it is getting ridiculous | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: well it's a matter of prioritising stuff i guess | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, it's not marked WONTFIX, it will just be looked at later | 00:02 |
| RST38h | Sts: this is minor stuff which is already debugged and FIXED for them | 00:02 |
| RST38h | they just need to apply a minor fix | 00:02 |
| RST38h | Justifying why they do not want to fix it probably took longer time than fixing it would | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: we should make a semantic proof of it :P | 00:03 |
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| lardman | night all | 00:04 |
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| * RST38h bitched. A few dozen of Terror pages and sleep now. | 00:07 | |
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| lcuk | mad idea | 00:08 |
| lcuk | x11 in 256color greyscale | 00:09 |
| lcuk | natively supported by x11 itself | 00:09 |
| lcuk | ? | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | i would assume so? :P | 00:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yea, why not? | 00:09 |
| RST38h | Will look like NeXTstep too | 00:09 |
| lcuk | half way house to super speed graphics is all | 00:09 |
| johnsq | lcuk: the x11 terminals was black/white | 00:09 |
| lcuk | so its theoretically feasible to switch the omap driver into YUV mode at the low end, and feed it x11 data as greyscale directly | 00:10 |
| RST38h | johnsq: that is 2bpp though | 00:10 |
| lcuk | with essentially minor modifications | 00:10 |
| lcuk | but a massive boost in render speed | 00:10 |
| RST38h | do you really need another boost? | 00:11 |
| lcuk | not for me | 00:11 |
| RST38h | ah | 00:11 |
| lcuk | im happy and already in yuv | 00:11 |
| lcuk | its just a thought | 00:11 |
| johnsq | RST38h: the good one was 8bpp | 00:11 |
| lcuk | i was stood outside in the sun today and my screen turned greyscale anyway | 00:11 |
| RST38h | johnsq: totally different display though | 00:12 |
| lcuk | 8bpp is optimal for this device | 00:12 |
| RST38h | johnsq: 8bpp grayscale != black/white | 00:12 |
| lcuk | you cant send a single bitplane down | 00:12 |
| lcuk | 256grey :) | 00:12 |
| johnsq | lcuk: more important is hardware blitting and 2d function support. | 00:12 |
| lcuk | and i also started thinking about it for the opengl stuff | 00:13 |
| lcuk | johnsq, and x11 itself gives it | 00:13 |
| lcuk | this device isnt slow | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | but it feels it when its rendering layer after layer of fullcolor data | 00:13 |
| RST38h | <sleep> | 00:13 |
| johnsq | lcuk: yes but you must write the lowlevel function in the driver. | 00:13 |
| lcuk | already technically exists | 00:13 |
| lcuk | xvideo YUV mode | 00:14 |
| lcuk | i use it | 00:14 |
| lcuk | the hardware supports it, the driver supports enabling it in the driver, might need shunting around | 00:14 |
| lcuk | but feasible | 00:14 |
| lcuk | move to greyscale, and you just made 3d software equations 3x faster too | 00:15 |
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| lcuk | errrjust a thought anyway | 00:16 |
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| pupnik_ | like that 3d voxel demo i ported | 00:16 |
| pupnik_ | and improved | 00:16 |
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| pupnik_ | cheers lcuk | 00:16 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:17 |
| lcuk | does it do paletted 256color too? | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | btw yes pupnik_ just like that, you optimized the hell out of it and was the first none movie app that looked fast on this device :) | 00:20 |
| johnsq | lcuk: x11? yes but 256 color apps are a pain. | 00:20 |
| lcuk | for who, the developer or for the driver? | 00:20 |
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| johnsq | lcuk: for the developer, I think most modern apps will fail. | 00:21 |
| lcuk | yeah point taken | 00:21 |
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| Davide | anyone have cpp / g++ working | 00:34 |
| Davide | on tablet | 00:34 |
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| Davide | i get incompatible package when tryimg to install | 00:34 |
| Davide | :( | 00:35 |
| lcuk | yeah Davide | 00:35 |
| lcuk | clean tablet, setup the sdk repositories (same as scratchbox uses) | 00:35 |
| lcuk | install build-essential i believe | 00:36 |
| Davide | so I have to flash? | 00:36 |
| Davide | :( | 00:36 |
| lcuk | no, but you need lots of space for the other stuff you need ;) | 00:36 |
| lcuk | its no good havin a compiler and no stdlib or headers to compile against or -dev libs etc ;) | 00:36 |
| Davide | well I'm running off of the external card | 00:36 |
| Davide | I have space | 00:37 |
| lcuk | then clear off your repositories and try again | 00:37 |
| lcuk | not from app man tho | 00:37 |
| Davide | whats the repository exactly? | 00:37 |
| Davide | is it repository.maemo.org | 00:37 |
| Davide | ? | 00:37 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk free non-free | 00:38 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools free non-free | 00:38 |
| lcuk | i initially went through and installed everything individually and know it works, i even started to make the new liqbase framework in it, i just got frustrated with how slow it was | 00:39 |
| lcuk | so reverted back to c :) | 00:39 |
| Davide | well I just want a C/C++ compiler I'm taking an intro class and would like to compile and write simple C console programs | 00:40 |
| Davide | having trouble getting all this to work | 00:40 |
| lcuk | Davide, you will find great difficulty getting a working "./configure" and dpkg-buildpackage at the other end (as well as hassles with "make install" - the "install" script blows) | 00:40 |
| lcuk | but actual compilation is fine | 00:40 |
| Davide | well compile and run the prog in console? | 00:40 |
| Davide | or cant run it? | 00:40 |
| lcuk | i compile and run now | 00:41 |
| lcuk | using gcc | 00:41 |
| lcuk | but targeting c | 00:41 |
| lcuk | it was the same process with c++ | 00:41 |
| lcuk | but slower | 00:41 |
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| Davide | ok | 00:41 |
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| Davide | lcuk should they actually show up in the App manager? gcc-3.4? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | i dunno, but i doubt it | 00:43 |
| lcuk | you don't expect your mum to install gcc.. ;) | 00:44 |
| Davide | so I entered those 2 repositories.. and in app manager I get "failed to refresh" | 00:44 |
| lcuk | (or maybe you do) | 00:44 |
| Davide | entered for components: "sdk free non-free" | 00:44 |
| Davide | and "tools free non-free" | 00:44 |
| lcuk | i dunno from the app manager | 00:45 |
| lcuk | i tend to stay away from it | 00:45 |
| Davide | ok well how bout from console? | 00:45 |
| Davide | sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4? | 00:45 |
| lcuk | i tend to stay away from that as well if i can help it, i edit | 00:45 |
| Davide | oh | 00:45 |
| Davide | then how? | 00:45 |
| lcuk | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 00:45 |
| lcuk | and put those lines in there :$ | 00:45 |
| johnsq | Davide: start terminal. apt-get and apt-cache are your friends. | 00:46 |
| lcuk | windows tree based scp file manager ftw! | 00:46 |
| Davide | lcuk I"m sorta new at linux | 00:46 |
| lcuk | don't worry, im the eternal n00b | 00:46 |
| Davide | johnsq I get errors from apt-get | 00:46 |
| Davide | I dont know how to get the repositories straight... | 00:46 |
| Davide | I browesd in microb to http://repository.maemo.org | 00:47 |
| lcuk | Davide, if you have trouble with linux this *is* gonna be a major uphill struggle | 00:47 |
| Davide | and browsed over to gcc etc... | 00:47 |
| Davide | and when I try to install them it opens app manager and then says incompatible package | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | on the info page before you install it has a tab showing dependencies i believe | 00:48 |
| Davide | ah | 00:48 |
| lcuk | and listing the specific problems, but you have probably got a mix of clean and unclean repositories listed | 00:48 |
| lcuk | for it to even show gcc - especially when you dont appear to have the sdk repos there | 00:48 |
| Davide | nope it just says Unable to install ccp-3.4 Incompatible application package | 00:49 |
| Davide | so frustrating | 00:49 |
| lcuk | the default maemo repositories dont list gcc by default | 00:49 |
| johnsq | Davide: have you a separate computer? | 00:49 |
| Davide | yes | 00:49 |
| Davide | talking from it | 00:49 |
| Davide | its windows tho | 00:49 |
| Davide | :P | 00:49 |
| lcuk | putty and winscp | 00:49 |
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| Davide | ? | 00:49 |
| Davide | whats that? | 00:50 |
| johnsq | Davide: first install openssh and log over network in the device, much quicker working, | 00:50 |
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| lcuk | 2 apps which you can use from windows to talk directly to your tablet | 00:50 |
| lcuk | and open a console session and run commands from your windows keyboard but running on your tablet | 00:50 |
| Davide | ok openssh is installed but idk how to use it johnsq | 00:50 |
| Davide | how do I work it? | 00:50 |
| lcuk | when it installed, it asked for a password | 00:50 |
| lcuk | i hope you remembered it | 00:50 |
| Davide | pfft idk | 00:51 |
| Davide | =/ | 00:51 |
| lcuk | you need to find the ip address/hostname of the tablet | 00:51 |
| Davide | can I uninstall and reinstall? | 00:51 |
| lcuk | i dunno, theres a page somewhere that can tell you how to change it | 00:51 |
| Davide | how do I get ip address/hostname | 00:51 |
| johnsq | Davide: then you need openssh on your machine under linux, putty on windows. | 00:51 |
| Davide | so dl putty? | 00:52 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | running putty asks for a hostname, username and password | 00:52 |
| Davide | ok putty installed | 00:52 |
| johnsq | Davide: you can gainroot on the device and type ifconfig this should show your ip | 00:52 |
| johnsq | Davide: perhaps also over the connection manager. | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | if you have super norton antivirus total motherhen care on windows i think it includes a newwork auditor :) | 00:54 |
| lcuk | t | 00:54 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/SSH | 00:55 |
| Davide | hmm trying to connect | 00:55 |
| Davide | idk if I have the right ip tho | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | you don't have a netgear router btw? | 00:55 |
| Davide | linksys | 00:56 |
| Davide | I have mcafee and avast | 00:56 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | good, netgear suck wrt tablets :) | 00:56 |
| Davide | how do I find out the correct ip? | 00:57 |
| Davide | of my tablet? | 00:57 |
| Davide | there's a inet addr: | 00:57 |
| Davide | a P-t-P: | 00:57 |
| Davide | and mask: | 00:57 |
| johnsq | Davide: inet addr:192.168.1.xxx is it | 00:58 |
| Davide | there are two | 00:58 |
| Davide | one in the beginning and one at the end | 00:58 |
| Davide | none of em are like that | 00:58 |
| Davide | one is 127.0.0/ | 00:58 |
| lcuk | read em out | 00:58 |
| lcuk | localhost, other? | 00:58 |
| Davide | and one is 10.178. | 00:58 |
| johnsq | Davide: wlan0 if you use wireless | 00:58 |
| lcuk | ok, try entering the 10.178... into putty with "root" and your password | 00:59 |
| lcuk | the one you entered when installing openssh | 00:59 |
| Davide | what does that mean with root and password? it doesnt ask me anywhere for root or password | 01:00 |
| lcuk | username and password | 01:00 |
| lcuk | should be fields on connection i expect | 01:00 |
| johnsq | Davide: putty under windows | 01:01 |
| Davide | well eitherway I dont have a username or password | 01:01 |
| Davide | not sure what that should be | 01:01 |
| Davide | =/ | 01:01 |
| lcuk | ahhh lol | 01:01 |
| lcuk | tis ok | 01:01 |
| lcuk | just enter the server | 01:02 |
| lcuk | once you connect you login | 01:02 |
| lcuk | there is an entry deeper in settings | 01:02 |
| lcuk | for auto passing one | 01:02 |
| Davide | ya but I get network error... | 01:02 |
| Davide | I cant just do this straight from the tablet? | 01:02 |
| lcuk | openssh-server installed? | 01:02 |
| Davide | yup on tablet | 01:02 |
| Davide | server and client installed | 01:02 |
| lcuk | whats the connection type set to on putty | 01:03 |
| Davide | should it bring up a console once it connects? | 01:03 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:03 |
| lcuk | saying "login as:" | 01:04 |
| Davide | nope not working I just get Network error | 01:04 |
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| johnsq | Davide: windows firewall ? router firewall? | 01:05 |
| lcuk | the tablet is just another machine on the network, confirm its pingable and stuff using normal windows stuff | 01:05 |
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| Davide | ping -> request timed out | 01:05 |
| Davide | not seeing it | 01:06 |
| lcuk | solve that and a cascade will happen :) | 01:06 |
| Davide | 100% loss | 01:06 |
| Davide | well how do I solve that? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | read back over this lot we posted when you connect to the device | 01:06 |
| Davide | I've never been able to see the tablet from my comp | 01:06 |
| Davide | not sure how that can be done... | 01:06 |
| Davide | anyway why can't I just operate from the terminal in the tablet? | 01:07 |
| Davide | for whatever is required? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | Davide, we can willingly guide you and can help make life simpler but we wont do everything | 01:07 |
| johnsq | Davide: just better working on computer with cut&paste to the nit. | 01:07 |
| lcuk | because its easier on real keyboar | 01:07 |
| lcuk | cos you can just copy paste stuff | 01:07 |
| lcuk | and you can just edit files and stuff | 01:08 |
| Davide | gotcha... well I have no idea how to make the nit visible | 01:08 |
| Davide | idk where to start | 01:08 |
| lcuk | doing on device compilation and dev work is a hard task on its own | 01:08 |
| lcuk | doing it all from a tiny keyboard is just tortuous | 01:08 |
| Davide | yeah I agree | 01:09 |
| Davide | well any idea how to get my comp to see the tablet? | 01:09 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:10 |
| lcuk | check your firewall settings and your router | 01:10 |
| lcuk | and make sure you have the right ip | 01:10 |
| lcuk | then work backwards lol, because i think we told you everything you need to know to get gcc on your device! | 01:11 |
| Davide | there should be a way to find what devices are connected to the router right? | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: don't suggest hildon-application-manager.list | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | that file is owned by ham | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | /sources.list.d/ is a directory | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | just name things diablo-sdk.list, diablo-tools.list, etc. | 01:13 |
| lcuk | but are they listed in HAM when i open it later? | 01:13 |
| lcuk | and discovered by it? | 01:13 |
| lcuk | and disablable by it?> | 01:13 |
| lcuk | or are they for apt only? | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | ham will show them | 01:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: they'll get removed | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | and use them | 01:14 |
| Davide | damn cant find a list of connected devices... | 01:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | if you add them to ham's file i mean | 01:14 |
| Davide | I just have a mac list that use to only allow some devices but it doesnt give ip | 01:14 |
| lcuk | how long after do they get eaten? | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | quiting ham or changing something in ham should get them eaten | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a write only file from ham's perspective | 01:15 |
| lcuk | it reads them in :$ | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, ham can't disable things that it doesn't own | 01:15 |
| lcuk | i always thought s long as it was formatted correctly and ham wasnt running.. | 01:16 |
| lcuk | just like any other /etc file | 01:16 |
| lcuk | (most) | 01:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | kinda | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | but ham's native format is an xml file elsewhere | 01:16 |
| Davide | is there another command to check the IP maybe I just dont have the right one | 01:16 |
| Davide | shouldnt it be a 192.168.1.X? | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | /sbin/ifconfig -a | 01:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 | 01:17 |
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| johnsq | Davide: depends on the router. 10.xx.xx.xx or 172.xx.xx.xx | 01:17 |
| lcuk | timeless, didnt realise that, i thought HAM just looked at apt's stuff and worked with what it had | 01:18 |
| * lcuk shall try to remember that | 01:18 | |
| Davide | router says 192.168.1.1 | 01:18 |
| Davide | or whatever | 01:18 |
| Davide | but idk if its different for wireless | 01:18 |
| lcuk | Davide, whats your windows computer ip? | 01:18 |
| Davide | is it the same for wired/wireless? | 01:18 |
| Davide | 192.168.1.136 | 01:18 |
| lcuk | is that fixed or auto set | 01:19 |
| Davide | uhm... idk | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: should liqbase-playground work on Mer? | 01:19 |
| Davide | auto I guess | 01:19 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, theres an issue with the graphics driver that it wont do xv yet | 01:19 |
| Davide | Automatic Configuration - DHCP | 01:20 |
| lcuk | but technically it should | 01:20 |
| lcuk | it should run on pretty much anything | 01:20 |
| lcuk | have you played yet? | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | it says app.username = user | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | which is wrong :) | 01:21 |
| lcuk | it picks up ~ correctly, but yeah when no username exists it comes up like that by default | 01:21 |
| lcuk | im havign a few technical troubles with keyboard input at this moment so i cant ask for one | 01:22 |
| lcuk | like i did in original liqbase | 01:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i don't know my password :) | 01:23 |
| lcuk | what password? | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | for sudo :) | 01:23 |
| * lcuk is editing liqkeyboard.c atm | 01:23 | |
| lcuk | sudoers should have added those as passwordless i think | 01:23 |
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| lcuk | did it run anyway | 01:24 |
| lcuk | instead of teasing me with log flaws :P | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | no, only for the user 'user' ;) | 01:24 |
| lcuk | :D hah | 01:24 |
| lcuk | which version have you installed timeless | 01:25 |
| lcuk | 0.3.12 ? | 01:25 |
| lcuk | or an earlier triply broked one | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | libliqbase1 0.3.11 | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | liqbase-playground 0.3.12 | 01:25 |
| lcuk | on mer? | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | intel/vbox | 01:26 |
| lcuk | :D did you make it yourself or is it through obs already | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | ive never managed to run liqbase on a vm | 01:26 |
| lcuk | it was born native, and lives native :) | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | fremantle/free | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | yeah i passed it through all 3 builders | 01:28 |
| lcuk | ive had reports it works on all :) | 01:28 |
| lcuk | theres even an extra thing for people with fremantle | 01:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | what is liqaccelview? :) | 01:28 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> theres even an extra thing for people with fremantle | 01:28 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I see, it's like that :P | 01:29 |
| lcuk | quim posted some details a while ago about the accelerometer | 01:29 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 01:29 | |
| lcuk | i made a live updating graph for it | 01:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | the "pool" package has bad dependencies | 01:29 |
| lcuk | showing x,y,z got from the /sys or wherever branch | 01:29 |
| lcuk | i originally wrote it to use it with sampppas heartrate monitor | 01:30 |
| lcuk | errr the one ecoach plugs into | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, "pool" package, is that something im doing, or just something you noticed in general | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | unrelated to you | 01:35 |
| lcuk | k :) you dont know how relieved i am to know that ;) | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | Joni Kokko's pool game | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | it might be that the python-hildon package i pulled in isn't working | 01:35 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 01:35 | |
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| ipndrmath | Does anyone know why the labs and themes do not work for gmail on the N810? | 02:30 |
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| ipndrmath | Opps. Disconnected. Back. | 02:32 |
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| ipndrmath | Anyone have any idea where else I could ask less the forums? | 02:36 |
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| coldboot | ipndrmath: Nobody's going to know, I'd guess. | 02:59 |
| jophish | Does anybody here use navit? | 02:59 |
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| EdLin | so what do people think of the Nokia/Intel deal and Maemo? Anyone know what's going on with that? | 04:03 |
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| SpComb | is it common for N810 devices to flip out and go into a reboot cycle when you start charging them? | 04:09 |
| SpComb | /proc/bootreason is sw_rst, /var/lib/dsme/stats/sw_rst is 1521 and grows every time, /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets has "/usr/bin/bme_RX-44 : 1783 *" | 04:10 |
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| SpComb | judging by how this has caused my tablet to reboot 1500 times, it's kind of annoying :) | 04:10 |
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| SpComb | but it hasn't always done this, it worked fine for a year, must have started after I installed some updates or such | 04:14 |
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| SpComb | feh | 04:15 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | SpComb: it's a known problem | 04:20 |
| Luke-Jr_ | EdLin: Intel sucks | 04:20 |
| EdLin | Luke-Jr_: well, some time in the future, bets are the Nokia Internet Tablet's successor won't be ARM according to this deal. | 04:21 |
| Luke-Jr_ | EdLin: fine. I wasn't planning to buy from Nokia ever again anyway. | 04:24 |
| EdLin | Luke-Jr_: why? | 04:24 |
| Luke-Jr_ | because I made the mistake of buying a N810 | 04:25 |
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| EdLin | Luke-Jr_: I love my N810 | 04:25 |
| Luke-Jr_ | somehow I got the impression it was an open platform | 04:25 |
| EdLin | um, not all of it, just most of it. | 04:25 |
| Luke-Jr_ | and I could use it for GPS | 04:25 |
| * b-man16 loves his n800 | 04:25 | |
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| Luke-Jr_ | I certainly did NOT expect to find a closed and abandoned platform. | 04:26 |
| Luke-Jr_ | and that I would need to spend weeks to make it work | 04:26 |
| EdLin | Luke-Jr_: it's not abandoned, Nokia is coming out with the N900 and made a deal with Intel. | 04:26 |
| Luke-Jr_ | it IS abandoned | 04:26 |
| Luke-Jr_ | N900 is not N810 | 04:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I didn't buy a N810 to be told I needed to buy a N900. | 04:27 |
| EdLin | welcome to Nokia. Even their flagship Symbian platform has incompatibilities from version to version. | 04:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | this isn't incompatibilities | 04:27 |
| EdLin | well, I should say total incompatibilities | 04:28 |
| Luke-Jr_ | this is the product not working, and losing support before there's a newer product | 04:28 |
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| EdLin | Luke-Jr_: how are you losing support? | 04:28 |
| Luke-Jr_ | EdLin: Nokia refuses to support N810 | 04:28 |
| EdLin | Luke-Jr_: now? | 04:28 |
| Luke-Jr_ | yes | 04:28 |
| EdLin | :-( | 04:28 |
| b-man16 | :( | 04:28 |
| Luke-Jr_ | and their gpsdriver blob is full of bugs | 04:28 |
| Luke-Jr_ | and effectively useless | 04:28 |
| EdLin | no more maemo updates? | 04:28 |
| Luke-Jr_ | not for N810 | 04:29 |
| EdLin | :-( | 04:29 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Maemo updates are for N900 when that comes out | 04:29 |
| Luke-Jr_ | here's hoping some other company makes a nice clamshell soon | 04:29 |
| Luke-Jr_ | with an actual open platform | 04:29 |
| Luke-Jr_ | heck, they don't even need to include software for all I care | 04:29 |
| Luke-Jr_ | as long as it's open | 04:29 |
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| GAN800 | Fun Florida lightning storms | 06:47 |
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| timsamoff | Happening here in Kansas City as well. | 06:57 |
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| xnt14 | ok guys, I have to go to sleep, if you see b-man tell him I went to sleep | 07:11 |
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| b-man16 | ~seen xnt14 | 07:25 |
| infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt@96.246.48.44> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13m 24s ago, saying: 'ok guys, I have to go to sleep, if you see b-man tell him I went to sleep'. | 07:25 |
| b-man16 | xD | 07:25 |
| b-man16 | ok | 07:25 |
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| thux | morning | 09:07 |
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| johnx | mmm...skip-free a2dp and apt-get at the same time in mer :D | 09:45 |
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| johnx | N810 gets nice and warm though | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | good for the winter times | 09:48 |
| johnx | yup, or a cold office in the summer time | 09:48 |
| johnx | <- works someplace with some seriously overactive HVAC | 09:48 |
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| Meiz_n810 | I should get a new battery.. i just charged this one, and now 10minutes later advanced-power says 62.5% O_o | 09:49 |
| johnx | if I complain about it too much I half expect them to just put the HVAC system under the heading of "IT duties and reponsibilities" | 09:49 |
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| Macer | lol | 09:56 |
| Macer | the dude from the fray said something so Zoolander that i couldn't help but laugh | 09:56 |
| Macer | "You only get one chance to make your second album..." | 09:56 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 09:57 |
| johnx | m00f RST38h | 09:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: hiw are things? =) | 09:58 |
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| johnx | pretty good | 09:58 |
| johnx | work is work, hacking at home has slowed down a bit | 09:58 |
| johnx | playing with a2dp in mer though | 09:58 |
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| RST38h | heh | 09:59 |
| * RST38h has not done much hacking lately, all work instead | 09:59 | |
| johnx | well, work either has to cut into my sleeping time or my hacking time | 10:00 |
| johnx | and I can sleep when I'm dead, but the same can't be said for hacking :D | 10:00 |
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| Macer | johnx.. turn mer into a profitable milti million dollar conglomerate and you wont have to work anymore | 10:02 |
| Macer | you can hack from your waikeekee paradise beach house | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | hey, that was my plan ;) | 10:02 |
| Macer | haha | 10:02 |
| Macer | well. you sont have to be greedy Stskeeps. there is enough conglomerate money for everybody | 10:03 |
| Macer | sont/dont | 10:03 |
| Macer | plus. you are in dk. your people would get homes inside a ski rrsort | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | we have almost no snow. | 10:04 |
| Macer | wow really? | 10:04 |
| Macer | i always figured dk had mountains with snow | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | we're hardly scandinavian | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | no mountains | 10:05 |
| Macer | heh | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | only rock on a small island east | 10:05 |
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| johnx | you were complaining about snow last winter :P | 10:05 |
| Macer | wow. then nevermind haha | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yes, but it is not mountains | 10:05 |
| Macer | i always pictured dk having close mountains where rich white americans travel to | 10:05 |
| Macer | in order to ski and snort cocaine and what not | 10:06 |
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| Macer | well.. guess i should go to europe some day to understand it better | 10:07 |
| Macer | haha | 10:07 |
| Macer | i have been to 5 out of 7 continents so far | 10:08 |
| Macer | i still think aisa and europe should be considered 1 | 10:08 |
| Macer | asia | 10:09 |
| Macer | wtf. i need to get my brain checked. or maybe it is this g1 qwerty | 10:09 |
| Macer | too much left right hemisphere with the thumbs | 10:09 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: the zfs cifs is kind of broken | 10:12 |
| RST38h | Macer: they are one =) | 10:12 |
| Macer | i ran into a bug where it wouldn't kill something when i restarted it.. i had to reboot it | 10:12 |
| Macer | RST38h: well.. i mean geologically speaking | 10:12 |
| Macer | i guess they are on different plates | 10:13 |
| Macer | but still :) | 10:13 |
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| anders_gud | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=299242&postcount=219 :-) | 10:15 |
| anders_gud | Plan for the OMAP2 acceleration drivers!!! | 10:16 |
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| Macer | This view is held by some geographers and is preferred in Russia (which spans Asia and Europe), East European countries and Japan. The separation of Eurasia into Europe and Asia is viewed by some as a residue of Eurocentrism: "In physical, cultural and historical diversity, China and India are comparable to the entire European landmass, not to a single European country. | 10:18 |
| Macer | eurocentrism? :) | 10:19 |
| Macer | haha | 10:19 |
| X-Fade | anders_gud: Yeah, that is what we were told at the Danish weekend. | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's good to have it on paper though | 10:20 |
| X-Fade | I'm still worried about the hardware problem though. | 10:20 |
| X-Fade | Even if we have a perfect driver, it might not perform like everybody expects. | 10:20 |
| X-Fade | But let's see. It would be a cool addition. | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | i don't expect to be able to run hildon desktop on it, personally, but we can -probably- do a lot of nice things | 10:21 |
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| X-Fade | Things that are not bandwidth intensive might work, yes. | 10:21 |
| anders_gud | Im just glad to get it OSS'd | 10:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Morning, I've been asked to update the libwebkit (not my choice, uploading webkit to the autobuilder scares me) that is in extras-devel. I have no intention to get tarred and feathered again, ;) so would you mind keeping a watchful eye upon it when I upload it please? | 10:25 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Sure, go ahead. I'll keep an eye on it. | 10:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks, still waiting on the svn export :) | 10:26 |
| anders_gud | @stskeeps Is pressure sensitivity back in Mer 0.14? | 10:26 |
| RST38h | Macer: Europeans is a bunch of small insignificant people populating the western coast of Eurasia =) | 10:26 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: It is a work day, so I can always request a reboot ;) | 10:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: we found where it originates - -tslib doesn't send in pressure information | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: and we are switching back to Xomap in 0.15 probably | 10:27 |
| RST38h | Macer: The only reason why they have survived to this day is that human meat is not considered to be a significant ingredient in Chinese cousine | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | (where pressure information works) | 10:27 |
| anders_gud | Ok -Great! when is 0.15 out? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: ~2-3 weeks? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: Nokia has a seperate xf86-input-tslib implementation where pressure information is sent, if you'd like to make a xf86-input-tslib patch containing this you're welcome too | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | so we have it on all platforms | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | (i think it's 5 lines extra) | 10:29 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 10:31 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly if he just saw someone in a MMDW tshirt | 10:43 | |
| anders_gud | I can't find anything now... I'll have a look later. Thanks for the great work on Mer though... | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:43 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: It wasn't me ;) | 10:43 |
| anders_gud | Dont get lost in the huge mountains of Denmark ;-) later | 10:44 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:25 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: uploading (eek...) | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Nothing else is building, so you have it all to yourself ;) | 11:39 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Webkit'll appreciate it ;) | 11:40 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Now I'm just recieving e-mails every 5 mins saying the package's state is unknown. Another loop and, this time, it can't blamed on me as it hasn't even got to building... ;) | 12:15 |
| lcuk | yeah right qwerty :P | 12:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | morning timeless | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | well, 20past noon, but sure. hello | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Hmm I see the files in the incoming queue. | 12:19 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Can't find 'architecture' field in dsc file | 12:20 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Bollocks, it should be there, thanks | 12:20 |
| lcuk | heh qwerty12_N810, should i help you with packaging *grin* | 12:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And, looking at the control, there is an architecture field. No idea why it hasn't made its way to the dsc | 12:21 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810: my topic has gone :( | 12:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: if you haven't already, please kill it :) | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | so what's the word on the tubes about Intel? | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: I wiped the .dsc | 12:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: damn! it survived for a long while though :) | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: good, standards | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: So you only have to upload a new .dsc | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: and we won't have to fight with a lot of different area | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | s | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | (btw, if anyone didn't see this coming when Intel bought OpenedHand...) | 12:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: awesome, thanks | 12:24 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm what will happen with connection management now that Connman enters the scene? :) | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i should note that view>list in windows explorer scrolls horizontally | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: if Connman actually works with WPA, bring it on | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | and sane tethering solutions | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I don't know, but I guess we will see soon(ish) :) | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | I just approved the project in garage btw :) | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | project of connman? | 12:39 |
| lcuk | from what i read people were saying its hot air at the moment and intent to code rather than production of new stuff | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | yep | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: public or closed? :P | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Would I talk about it if it was closed? :) | 12:39 |
| lcuk | hell yeah | 12:40 |
| lcuk | you tell us loads of stuff after your breakfast beer | 12:40 |
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| X-Fade | lol | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | But I'm guessing this will be Harmattan or even Inverna stuff. | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | i think so too | 12:41 |
| lcuk | is it a qt project then o_O | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: No, lower layers. | 12:41 |
| lcuk | :) so usable by mere c code ;) :D | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Probably d-bus driven. | 12:42 |
| lcuk | and mer c code as well ;) | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, probably a good thing to watch this spot: https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb?p=connman;a=summary :D | 12:43 |
| lcuk | cool | 12:46 |
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| practisevoodoo | does anyone managed to get cairo working using pygtk under maemo? | 12:52 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Lol, it now says it failed. But it is actually still building :) | 13:02 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Hehe :) | 13:03 |
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| derf | lardman|gone: zbar guy seems willing to integrate the QR stuff. | 13:03 |
| derf | And he's already got some PDF417 code... no idea how far along it is. | 13:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: filing bugs? :) | 13:05 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Bugs already known. | 13:06 |
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| kwizart | hello ! I have two quick question! I involved in alsa-plugins packaging which has a module that target maemo devices (dsp via dbus etc), for which arches does theses plugins to be built make sense? | 13:07 |
| kwizart | I'm Involved... | 13:08 |
| kwizart | does x86 arches make sense for develompment purpose ? | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | kwizart: x86 for development headers etc. | 13:08 |
| kwizart | and arm (for maemo devices) are %arm armv3l armv4b armv4l armv4tl armv5tel armv5tejl armv6l armv7l | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | dsp via dbus? O_o | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | But armel for running. | 13:08 |
| kwizart | I was said that only the lastest ' armv6l armv7l ' are suitable for maemo | 13:09 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:30 |
| practisevoodoo | anyone got any experience with pygtk? Im having trouble getting DrawingAreas to work on my n810 | 13:31 |
| pupnik | huhu | 13:31 |
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| derf | lardman: Did you see my comment above? | 13:32 |
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| lardman | ah yes, good news :) | 13:38 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo, i was under the impression that kind of stuff worked, are you following the tutorials or trying the default examples? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: saw the 3d status? | 13:38 |
| lardman | nope | 13:38 |
| lardman | linky? | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=299242&postcount=219 | 13:39 |
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| practisevoodoo | lcuk, the trouble is that i cant find a tutorial for it on maemo, but thats fair enough, im using the normal tutorials and tweaking them to work (or not as the case is) | 13:40 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: great news | 13:40 |
| lardman | thanks qgil wherever you are :) | 13:40 |
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| lardman | Is it just me, or are there problems opening jpegs of 10mb size or thereabouts? | 13:43 |
| pupnik | in browser? | 13:45 |
| lardman | no, image viewer | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/kki_ap/samsung-ap-2.6.git;a=tree;f=drivers/media/video/samsung;h=7e157a0c1552efa1d7954f29142731cd19c96dec;hb=HEAD might be of interest too | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, it's open source) | 13:46 |
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| lardman | those are the accel drivers for the smartQ chips I take it? | 13:47 |
| lardman | but available freely now rather than NDA'd? | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | aye | 13:48 |
| * lardman wonders if the IVA will ever get drivers | 13:48 | |
| lardman | one thing at a time :) | 13:48 |
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| lcuk | lardman, unloved stepchild ;) | 13:49 |
| lardman | yeah, just thinking about my jpeg browsing | 13:49 |
| lcuk | yeah, you signed up for new pron site with hires images then? :p | 13:50 |
| lardman | yep, my Red Sea underwater fish pron | 13:50 |
| lardman | actually that sounds like it could really be pron :D | 13:50 |
| lcuk | i had a fish image that kept killing libjpg | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | Mer wallpapers? ;p | 13:51 |
| lardman | I may have to pull my finger out and try that DSP jpeg decoder | 13:51 |
| lcuk | out of the fish? | 13:51 |
| lardman | yeah, they bite the little buggers | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, lardman: http://blip.tv/file/2244689 ;p | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | arr | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | no, not that one | 13:53 |
| lardman | I quite liked that one :) | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://blip.tv/file/2248514 | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | (xfishtank as boot screen) | 13:54 |
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| lardman | very good, now you just need the fish to give birth to new processes and we can have a graphical bootchart ;) | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:57 |
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| lardman | so is sounds working now - after seeing your comment about pulse audio via DSP? | 13:58 |
| lardman | s/comment/pointer to patch | 13:58 |
| pupnik | ! | 13:58 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: we haven't been able to test it yet | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | it compiles but we havent tested it yet:P | 14:00 |
| lardman | ok | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, still warm in helsinki then lol | 14:05 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: It is actually not lying that much ;) | 14:07 |
| lcuk | good good | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | As it is 24C there now ;) | 14:07 |
| lcuk | holy smokes, no wonder everyones happy :p | 14:08 |
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| RST38h | lardman:,Stskeeps: just make it pour that water in on bootup =) | 14:09 |
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| practisevoodoo | lcuk, do you have any experience with pygtk? | 14:19 |
| xnt14[server] | ~seen b-man16 | 14:19 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6h 53m 59s ago, saying: 'ok'. | 14:19 |
| xnt14[server] | ok | 14:19 |
| * xnt14[server] notices that his nit opened xchat by itself while in his pocked | 14:20 | |
| xnt14[server] | *pocket :P | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: i was thinking the "hildon crashed" screen would be water flushing out | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:22 |
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| lardman | and fish flopping around at the bottom "drowning" | 14:23 |
| lardman | ? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Mer_Incompatible_Bootmenu_Shark_Brighter.jpg is still a favourite | 14:24 |
| lardman | :) | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Nice. | 14:25 |
| lardman | needs some chewing animation | 14:25 |
| * lardman is glad he didn't see that a few weeks back | 14:25 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Although, why reboot if the boot menu is broken anyway? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: because they have to pop the battery otherwise | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | to get back into maemo | 14:26 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Ah, I thought that it was not bootable at all at that moment. | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: well, not mer itself, but for the SD scenario it makes sense to reboot | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | 'halt' would work too | 14:26 |
| pupnik | the n810 speakers are so impressive | 14:30 |
| pupnik | now that they are broken-in | 14:30 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, you are starting to sound like an audiphile, when are you replacing the cones with pressed silk and relaying the copper tracks on the circuit board with gold? | 14:36 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo, no | 14:37 |
| pupnik | heh | 14:37 |
| lardman | don't forget needing $10k/m interconnects! | 14:37 |
| pupnik | i know such idiots | 14:37 |
| pupnik | <- cheapskate audiophile | 14:38 |
| lcuk | thats the gold tracks, having a pristine sound all the way from the dsp through the amp and to the speakers is crucial | 14:38 |
| lardman | I thought it was the low oxygen? | 14:38 |
| lardman | ;) | 14:38 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | i suppose you could just electroplate the entire pcb, all connections would then be nicely coated and the electrons could move freer | 14:40 |
| lcuk | without having to rip up the copper connections | 14:40 |
| lcuk | should save a couple of thousand $ at least | 14:40 |
| lardman | 1 cotton bud with which to clean ears, 1p, should probably make as much difference ;) | 14:40 |
| lcuk | a cotton bud would just make the awful digital stepping and aliasing of the pure analog signal easier to spot | 14:41 |
| lcuk | which would mean you would have to spend an EXTRA wad of cash making it better | 14:42 |
| lcuk | false economy :P | 14:42 |
| lardman | ah, s/cotton bud/used chewing gum ? | 14:43 |
| lcuk | you first :) | 14:43 |
| lardman | lol | 14:43 |
| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: ping | 14:45 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, pong | 14:45 |
| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: Can you not use ~unreleased in your version string? | 14:46 |
| pvanhoof | ok, what should I use instead? | 14:46 |
| jeremiah_ | Because once it is built it will be released | 14:46 |
| pupnik | good sound is like candy - one of the joys of life | 14:46 |
| jeremiah_ | Would you be willing to use 1maemo0? | 14:46 |
| pvanhoof | sure | 14:46 |
| jeremiah_ | Thanks! | 14:46 |
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| pvanhoof | let's first find out why its failing :) | 14:46 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, if I need valac, what do I add to builddeps? | 14:47 |
| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: Damn good question - I will have to look into that since I don't know off the top of my head. | 14:47 |
| pvanhoof | ok :) | 14:47 |
| pvanhoof | let me know | 14:47 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof, i dont envy your task, ive just been through packaging | 14:47 |
| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: Are you using vala? I want to use that for somethign | 14:47 |
| jeremiah_ | It looks cool. | 14:47 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: valac is available in extras-devel as "vala" | 14:47 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, :D | 14:48 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, thanks | 14:48 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, yes, we often use it | 14:48 |
| jeremiah_ | But isn't vala the language and valav the compiler? | 14:48 |
| Jaffa | 0.7.3 with the glib 2.12 patch from git | 14:48 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, it's available in the platform, but only in extras I think, not sure | 14:48 |
| jeremiah_ | s/valav/valac/ | 14:48 |
| infobot | jeremiah_ meant: But isn't vala the language and valac the compiler? | 14:48 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, valac is the compiler, yes, vala is the langhage | 14:48 |
| lcuk | difference being? | 14:48 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah_: valac is the compiler, but there's no separate runtime - which is why I didn't care too much about the package name being "vala" rather than "valac" | 14:48 |
| pvanhoof | well, actually vala is a girl in a sci-fi series that juergbi is in love with, but he doesn't want to admit that | 14:49 |
| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: I have looked at some of the docks, need to try to run it. | 14:49 |
| jeremiah_ | Jaffa: Ah okay. Thanks. | 14:49 |
| jeremiah_ | docks? What, am I on crack? | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah_, i thought it was kewl lol | 14:50 |
| jeremiah_ | ;p | 14:51 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, you have vala > 0.7.0 right? | 14:51 |
| lcuk | its like when my missus says "i tried to read the distructions" | 14:51 |
| jeremiah_ | heh - that I like | 14:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: I say that too | 14:52 |
| wazd | hello maemo | 14:52 |
| lardman | but more emphasis on "destructions" I think :) | 14:52 |
| lcuk | yeah, but im northern and cant spell ;) | 14:52 |
| lardman | lol | 14:52 |
| lardman | bacon time | 14:52 |
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| jeremiah_ | hello wazd | 14:53 |
| lcuk | i just had chicken birriani | 14:53 |
| lcuk | (more spelling) | 14:53 |
| lcuk | brought in by coworkers wife :) | 14:53 |
| lcuk | hi wazd | 14:53 |
| jeremiah_ | Is that italian chicken in beer? | 14:53 |
| jeremiah_ | due birra prego | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: yup. 0.7.3 :) | 14:54 |
| lcuk | indian chicken rice strange sauce and deliciousness :) | 14:54 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, cool, thx | 14:54 |
| lcuk | i need beer tho | 14:54 |
| lcuk | boss wont let use drink in work \@/ | 14:54 |
| ukki | Jaffa: thanks for the vala btw | 14:54 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: libgee hasn't been packaged yet - I've not got around to it | 14:54 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, google-album-art-downloader_1.0.0~1maemo0_source.changes sounds better? | 14:54 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, okay, that's fine, don't need it (others do, though_ | 14:54 |
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| * Jaffa isn't imagining it being hard, with the only interesting bit ensuring that the vapi gets included in the -dev package. | 14:55 | |
| Jaffa | BTW, anyone know if anyone's working on updated Hildon VAPIs for the new API (panneable area etc.) | 14:55 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, sync with juergbi , he'll probably be happy to help you | 14:55 |
| lcuk | i wonder how fast vala native compilation on device would work on omap3, jaffa, is there a simple no command line test case we could put to quim to get benchmarks.. | 14:55 |
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| pvanhoof | Perhaps it should just be in the official platform, instead of in extras ... | 14:55 |
| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: Well - my preference might be to shorten it a bit. | 14:55 |
| pvanhoof | nah that's fine | 14:56 |
| jeremiah_ | okay :) | 14:56 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: he'd need to enable the sdk repo on the device, apt-get install vala (pulls in a req for 'c-compiler') and then try compiling vala-sample from extras-devel | 14:56 |
| lcuk | balls, not something we can sneak past him then without noticing lol | 14:57 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: not really | 14:57 |
| lcuk | c++ is too heavy and i like the idea of back to c compilation :) it harks back to proper cfront (c with classes) days | 14:57 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: Gonna port liq to vala now? | 14:58 |
| lcuk | xnt14, i did some more adjustments last night to the desktop selector thing, and its lookin nice now: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090624_014459.lib.scr.png | 14:58 |
| lcuk | no jeremiah_ | 14:58 |
| RST38h | c++ is as heavy as you are willing to make it | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | but bindings to the lib could theoretically exist :) and as long as modules can be compiled to the .so and have the necessary entry points they can exist in the playground | 14:59 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, awesome :) is it in the github repo? | 14:59 |
| lcuk | yeah | 14:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Reimplementing hildon desktop? =) | 14:59 |
| lcuk | but it needs a LOT more work before its ready for theming | 15:00 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, nahh hildon doesnt do what i want it to | 15:00 |
| xnt14 | o.0, weird, mass quit, rejoin :P | 15:01 |
| lcuk | not really "mass" | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Yea, I figured =) | 15:08 |
| RST38h | xnt14: This is called "a split" | 15:09 |
| RST38h | Happens when connection between IRC servers breaks down | 15:09 |
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| xnt14 | RST38H, ok thanks :) | 15:09 |
| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: Your package just got built. | 15:11 |
| pvanhoof | woohoo | 15:11 |
| pvanhoof | it did?! | 15:11 |
| jeremiah_ | :) | 15:11 |
| pvanhoof | woah!! it did it did! | 15:11 |
| pvanhoof | party! | 15:11 |
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| jeremiah_ | queued for loading into extras-devel | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | It is actually still building? | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | Or at least the last version? | 15:12 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, is that all i should do? it'll get into the repo automatically now? | 15:12 |
| RST38h | did what? | 15:12 |
| jeremiah_ | I thikn he submitted another with a different name. | 15:12 |
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| pvanhoof | yes | 15:12 |
| pvanhoof | there's going to be another with the ~maemo1 thing | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: Yeah, it gets moved into the repo now. You don't need to do anything | 15:13 |
| pvanhoof | And with vala as builddep | 15:13 |
| pvanhoof | Perhaps remove the ~unreleased then | 15:13 |
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| pvanhoof | not sure if it'll auto overwrites | 15:13 |
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| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: No - they will be two different packages. | 15:15 |
| jeremiah_ | But you will have to have vala as a depends if you need it at runtime. | 15:15 |
| jeremiah_ | So the older package should not work (if it depends on vala and you did not specificy that.) | 15:15 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, at runtime it doesn't depend on vala | 15:16 |
| pvanhoof | only buildtime | 15:16 |
| jeremiah_ | okay | 15:16 |
| jeremiah_ | So it is a build-depends? | 15:16 |
| pvanhoof | but it got built just fine, without the dep | 15:16 |
| pvanhoof | yes | 15:16 |
| pvanhoof | but that's because I included the generated .c and .h files | 15:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Ah! | 15:16 |
| jeremiah_ | I was about to say that should fail | 15:17 |
| jeremiah_ | But now I understand. :) | 15:17 |
| pvanhoof | vala is special :) | 15:17 |
| pvanhoof | it generates c code :) | 15:17 |
| pvanhoof | so it's not a strict dependency | 15:17 |
| jeremiah_ | okay, interesting. | 15:17 |
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| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, so perhaps we should remove the ~unreleased package? How do we do that? | 15:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Well, we'll have to contact the guy who works on the maemo repos to remove it . . . | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | pvanhoof: It should automatically be cleaned up. | 15:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Oh - that's me! | 15:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Except X-Fade is all over it. | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | .... when jeremiah adds that feature ;) | 15:18 |
| pvanhoof | ok :) | 15:18 |
| pvanhoof | I'll leave it up to you guys then :) | 15:19 |
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| pvanhoof | but if you somehow see two packages in OK state, one ~unreleased and one using the naming jeremiah_ asked for, just remove the ~unreleased, that's fine | 15:19 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah_, X-Fade, Urho (proj manager for Tracker and the album-art related stuff) is asked what category we should use here. user/multimedia is what I used btw | 15:20 |
| pvanhoof | He's wondering about a category 'plugins' as this is actually a sample plugin that uses google-images for getting albumart | 15:21 |
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| pvanhoof | oh, he's here, now he can ask himself ;) | 15:21 |
| pvanhoof | I was just asking konttori_ :) | 15:21 |
| jeremiah_ | pvanhoof: Well, I think user/multimedia is pretty good - what does X-Fade think? | 15:22 |
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| pvanhoof | it's ok for me btw, no strong opinion myself | 15:22 |
| konttori_ | me neither. | 15:22 |
| konttori_ | just wondering. | 15:22 |
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| jeremiah_ | There is going to be a stricter interpretation of the user/ stuff in the future since it is a little like the wild west right now | 15:24 |
| jeremiah_ | but I think user/multimedia (note case) works | 15:24 |
| jeremiah_ | Certainly better than use/Pork_Product | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | And definitely not "plugins" (see sharing plugins thread on maemo-developers) | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | plugins might make sense, but not sharing plugins :P | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | (imho, but im not in that discussion..) | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: "plugins" *might* make sense; except I strongly believe that it actually doesn't ;-) | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | after seeing pidgin X,Y,Z i might agree :P | 15:27 |
| Jaffa | An example was a Flickr posting plugin for something. Why should the internal architecture of a plugin mean that the user sees it in one place; a Flickr home applet in another; a Flickr posting application in another etc. etc. | 15:27 |
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| Jaffa | Internal design decisions don't make good user-facing taxonomies ;) | 15:28 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade, ping? | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: pong | 15:29 |
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| * RST38h likes Pidgin. | 15:29 | |
| RST38h | Pidgin works. | 15:30 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0906/6f/758dda8451ad.jpg <- no borders variation | 15:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yep, although why not keep the tabs? | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | wazd: the "Bluetooth" looks like it's a heading for the third column, rather than a tab. | 15:38 |
| RST38h | Tabs should still be there, IMHO | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to beat Ryan Paul over the head again about trimming the maemo.org logo. | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/new-intelnokia-partnership-a-huge-win-for-mobile-linux.ars | 15:39 |
| pupnik | hmmm | 15:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I nominate you, since I didn't get a response on the last one. ;) | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Somebody should kick peter@maemo to come up with a Maemo branding.. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, see my maemo.org splash screen package? | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's apparently it | 15:41 |
| pupnik | hilighting text in browser is frustrating | 15:41 |
| jeremiah_ | wazd: Looks really nice. | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo in a Nokia font. | 15:41 |
| pupnik | The strategic relationship consists of plans to develop new Intel chips that will power the devices and collaboration to boost Linux-based mobile software solutions. Intel has also licensed Nokia's 3G modem patents so that chip maker can expand its connectivity offerings. | 15:41 |
| pupnik | nooo | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Needs a screenshot: I saw the package :) | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, we'll probably see once m.n.o launches | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'll drop him a line | 15:42 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, downloads has screenshots. | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: I was using h-a-m :( | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | Oh for h-a-m to be a wonderful gateway. | 15:43 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | How about we talk about the categories switch over. | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | Shall we finally just set a date and announce that from then on this is it? | 15:43 |
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| jeremiah_ | Yes! | 15:45 |
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| X-Fade | Obviously the guys at Nokia have no time to care about this subject, so let us take over on that one? | 15:45 |
| GAN800 | We dead in the water waiting on Nokia for the community upgrade path. | 15:45 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Let's set a date, then switch, plug our ears for a week, then life will be better. =) | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: i think the path is already there but noone's implementing it | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Fancy resurrecting the thread about it and asking Quim directly if Nokia would ship an SSU enabling us to push a maemo.org repo as the same weighting as Nokia's? | 15:47 |
| jeremiah_ | Moblin uses RPM, maemo uses debs - moblin will have to switch. | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | nonono.. | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it's not cooperation on that level | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: With it being opt-in only, it feels like the effort may not be worth it for the 6 of us who'd bother. | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: We already talked about that. | 15:48 |
| jeremiah_ | Pah | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: You should have come to the meeting ;) | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | Which meeting? Copenhagen? | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | I look forward to you pointing me to the minutes at a URL. | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Basically Nokia has no time to do that now. But after Fremantle release they will help us to take over. | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, nobody is talking about merging Moblin and Maemo | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | Take over caring for diablo that is. | 15:49 |
| RST38h | And this is the official line. | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: but not having a wide range of APIs different is a good thing | 15:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://i080.radikal.ru/0906/24/63e1267f28d5.jpg <- you think this is better? | 15:50 |
| jeremiah_ | Still, they're gonna have to switch for me to even use it. | 15:50 |
| jeremiah_ | wazd: It makes more sense as a grid, yeah. | 15:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: I would use thin recessed line separating the tabs | 15:50 |
| RST38h | jeremiah; To use Moblin, you mean? | 15:50 |
| jeremiah_ | Can the bottom separator be white instead of black? | 15:50 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Indeed. | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i think you may be misunderstanding the statement a bit | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | they're not merging moblin and maemo | 15:51 |
| jeremiah_ | I don't think so. | 15:51 |
| jeremiah_ | I know that. :) | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | they're merging stuff like ofono, connman etc efforts | 15:51 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Even as a user? | 15:51 |
| RST38h | They are not "merging" oFono | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | well ,ok | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | bad example | 15:51 |
| RST38h | Basically, they are codeveloping oFono | 15:51 |
| lcuk | nokia and intel up a tree, what were they doing k.i.s.s.i.n.g :D | 15:51 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Of course as a user, that is where aptitude shines. | 15:52 |
| RST38h | Moblin vs Maemo is more or less like FreeBSD vs NetBSD | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | They will basically work together in some open source projects. | 15:52 |
| RST38h | Separate but with a lot of cross pollination | 15:52 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, and NetBSD sucks. ;P | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | Which they seem to do already ;) | 15:52 |
| lcuk | its like a jackrussel humping a dalmation | 15:52 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Not when you have got a non-x86 hardware | 15:52 |
| jeremiah_ | sexy | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | So, not that big new as people who follow the source trees already knew that ;) | 15:52 |
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| jeremiah_ | I am just joking - I don't mean any of this seriously. I don't care what packaging system moblin uses, its just that dependency resolving is better with aptitude than yum. | 15:53 |
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| b-man16 | ~seen xnt14 | 15:53 |
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| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Exactly - this announcement is sort of a non-announcement. | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Not for investors ;) | 15:54 |
| jeremiah_ | True dat. | 15:54 |
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| jeremiah_ | And not for Microsoft . . . Bwaah ha ha! | 15:54 |
| * RST38h can't comment | 15:54 | |
| crashanddie | which announcement? | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Rather than give whatever official answers we have been given | 15:54 |
| jeremiah_ | crashanddie: Intel is being bought by Apple. | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | oh | 15:55 |
| RST38h | And this is 1) No merge of Maemo and Moblin and 2) Intel does not comment on Nokia's future hardware lineup, ask Nokia | 15:55 |
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| crashanddie | jeremiah_: hang on, what? | 15:55 |
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| jeremiah_ | crashanddie: I'm just joking | 15:56 |
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| jeremiah_ | We're talking about the Intel - Nokia co-operation around mobile linux. | 15:56 |
| jeremiah_ | I think there is a link to an Ars Technica article about it in the backlog | 15:56 |
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| crashanddie | oh that, old news | 15:57 |
| wazd | http://s44.radikal.ru/i103/0906/2a/c29a7582e3fb.jpg <- better?) | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah_: it's not going to change a huge load | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah_: at least, not for anyone in this channel | 15:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: yea! | 15:58 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Switch from Debian to Redhat was kind of surprising though | 15:58 |
| RST38h | Given how much messier Redhat is | 15:59 |
| jeremiah_ | wazd: Can the bottom separator be white instead of black? | 15:59 |
| wazd | jeremiah_: no it can't! die!1 xD | 15:59 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Yeah, I agree. Red Hat is also a commercial company so you are giving away business when you use them | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | giving away business? | 16:00 |
| wazd | jeremiah_: it's incorrect separator anyway, since we already have a nice style for them (see on the top bar | 16:00 |
| jeremiah_ | Well, Red Hat makes $ from support of Red Hat Linux, so if you create yet another Red Hat Linux distro, they can support it. | 16:00 |
| jeremiah_ | wazd: Ah, okay. | 16:00 |
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| crashanddie | jeremiah_: no they don't | 16:01 |
| jeremiah_ | eh? | 16:01 |
| jeremiah_ | They certainly do. | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah_: try to call red hat support with a centos problem and they'll tell you to f right off ;) | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah_: that is, unless you buy T&M at a vastly overpriced rate | 16:01 |
| jeremiah_ | True - but if you buy a support contract they will most certainly help you. :P | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | nha, support contracts are only valid for Red Hat software | 16:02 |
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| jeremiah_ | Which Centos can easily be changed to . . . | 16:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Since it is bit for bit the same | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah_: plus, you're not actually giving away business, you're allowing users to have professional support, even more so: you're allowing businesses to have a fault line | 16:03 |
| jeremiah_ | meh | 16:03 |
| jeremiah_ | There is plenty of commercial support for debian based distros | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | right | 16:03 |
| jeremiah_ | Canonical for example | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | Canonical is a joke | 16:03 |
| jeremiah_ | Oh really? | 16:04 |
| jeremiah_ | Hmm, most popular linux distro == joke. | 16:04 |
| jeremiah_ | okay | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | find me one single fortune 500 company that uses Canonical as their primary support provider | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | thought so... | 16:05 |
| pupnik | companies are locked into wintel | 16:05 |
| jeremiah_ | meh - that is no measure. | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | of course not | 16:05 |
| jeremiah_ | Plus, Canonical does have some pretty high profile customers. | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: you think that oracle runs on windows? | 16:05 |
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| pupnik | find me one single fortune 500 company that runs linux on desktops | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: you really believe people run an oracle cluster on wintel? That's pure Solaris, thank you very much | 16:06 |
| pupnik | you said PRIMARY support provider... | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | ? | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | Server-side, obviously | 16:06 |
| pupnik | were you talking abo... ah | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | sorry I didn't clarify that | 16:07 |
| pupnik | nm then | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: IBM runs a large %ge of its users on Linux desktops | 16:07 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah - and I think those are Ubuntu boxen | 16:08 |
| jeremiah_ | Or some kind of IBM hybrid | 16:08 |
| jeremiah_ | Google uses tons of Ubuntu internally | 16:08 |
| pupnik | cool! | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah_: Yeah, it used to be based on Red Hat when I was there, but I believe it's now Ubuntu-based. | 16:09 |
| pupnik | i just am damaged by decades of wintel | 16:09 |
| jeremiah_ | Gubuntu. :) | 16:10 |
| lcuk | i think corpos should base entire linux stack on gentoo. from the interns up | 16:10 |
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| jeremiah_ | Which I guess became Android | 16:10 |
| lcuk | and they have to build own machine to do stuff | 16:10 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: I think you should get off the crack pipe. | 16:10 |
| * lcuk would be out of a job, but it would be good for a laff | 16:10 | |
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| crashanddie | and most mozilla employees use macs | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | actually, even in my company most devs are starting to jump to macs | 16:14 |
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| jeremiah_hacking | crashanddie: That won't last. Linux runs 30% faster on the same hardware. | 16:18 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah_hacking: lol... right | 16:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Why Gentoo? They should use Slackware! | 16:18 |
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| crashanddie | gotta love the fanbois | 16:18 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: slackware is so 90s, the future is arch! | 16:19 |
| RST38h | [side remark] And these people for YEARS bitched about BSD "not having a single distribution" | 16:19 |
| Razumihin | What kind of developer likes to use macs... | 16:19 |
| lcuk | someone who develops apple products.. | 16:20 |
| Razumihin | lcuk: I don't think that even they _like_ using them... | 16:20 |
| lcuk | no, but to switch over its a tortuous journey whichever direction you look | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | someone who needs a laptop and needs to run 4 or 5 VMs at a time whilst on-site | 16:20 |
| Razumihin | Console tools for mac suck a big time. | 16:20 |
| lcuk | so find a comfortable spot that gives effect you need and hold on tight :) | 16:21 |
| Razumihin | :) | 16:21 |
| lcuk | console tools are *bsd arent they? | 16:21 |
| Razumihin | Yes. But pretty handicappedö | 16:21 |
| jeremiah_hacking | It is a mix of BSD and Apple | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | and can actually use his laptop for 4-7 hours full use without recharging the battery | 16:21 |
| lcuk | just like busybox stuff on nits then | 16:21 |
| jeremiah_hacking | How often does the iTunes OS crash? | 16:21 |
| Razumihin | crashanddie: My thinkpad runs +12h on battery with linux ;) | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | Razumihin: how big is the screen? How heavy is it? | 16:22 |
| Razumihin | And it has touchscreen! | 16:22 |
| Razumihin | "wow" | 16:22 |
| Razumihin | Sorry bad troll :) | 16:22 |
| lcuk | i would rather let people of alternative computing faith work as they see fit, please dont turn into a flame war :) | 16:22 |
| * RST38h cringes at the mention of Thinkpads | 16:22 | |
| jeremiah_hacking | Thinkpads are pretty great. Well made hardware. | 16:23 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: pile of shit, at least recent ones | 16:23 |
| Razumihin | lcuk: Yeah... i'm just agitated by the previous code i had to read today :) | 16:23 |
| RST38h | the ones made under IBM supervision were at least sturdy and well made | 16:23 |
| pupnik | RST38h, what got worse? | 16:23 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 16:23 |
| jeremiah_hacking | RST38h: That is Lenovo | 16:23 |
| lcuk | Razumihin, i read visual basic code all day every day.. | 16:23 |
| lcuk | apple must be heaven :) | 16:24 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: well, it says "ThinkPad" on the body | 16:24 |
| pupnik | t42p still has nice build quality | 16:24 |
| jeremiah_hacking | True dat | 16:24 |
| Razumihin | lcuk: But your comments are not in translit russian? | 16:24 |
| RST38h | pupnik: well, the design side was always bad | 16:24 |
| Razumihin | That was one of the best moment's of my coding life :D | 16:24 |
| Razumihin | "wait what!" | 16:24 |
| RST38h | pupnik: heavy, ugly, lots of holes everywhere, washed out displays | 16:24 |
| pupnik | name a better laptop pls RST38h | 16:25 |
| lcuk | Razumihin, no, i have something called "stuart code" to contend with, stuart was an old school fortran hacker and did not want to waste precious space giving variables names | 16:25 |
| RST38h | pupnik: under Lenovo's control, plastic turned way worse | 16:25 |
| pupnik | true | 16:25 |
| lcuk | so every frikkin thing is an anonymous array :) | 16:25 |
| Razumihin | :) | 16:25 |
| RST38h | pupnik: the body now creaks when you press on it | 16:25 |
| Razumihin | Nice. | 16:25 |
| pupnik | ok, then i wouldnt buy a new thinkpad | 16:25 |
| RST38h | pupnik: it looks bent at several spots, the battery went dead in 3 months | 16:26 |
| * lcuk goes | 16:26 | |
| Razumihin | New thinkpads are still one of the best, but yes the quality has declined. | 16:26 |
| lcuk | \o | 16:26 |
| pupnik | cheers lcuk | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well they saved about $1 with that plastic. Makes sense ;) | 16:26 |
| RST38h | pupnik: the so called "bundled software" became completely non functional, it blue-screens Windows every time I dock it | 16:26 |
| pupnik | what model thinkpad RST38h ? | 16:27 |
| RST38h | pupnik; T61 | 16:27 |
| pupnik | yes that is no longer a design from ibm japan | 16:27 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Looks like they saved loads of money on design and manufacturing management | 16:27 |
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| pupnik | i hate how capitalists take an old good brand, then start producing shit under the same name | 16:28 |
| pupnik | like mercedes in the 90's | 16:28 |
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| pupnik | very shortsighted | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, like that paper company ;) | 16:29 |
| xnt14[work] | b-man16, ping! :P | 16:30 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: nothing to hate, natural thing | 16:36 |
| RST38h | the best thing you can do is to stop buying crap and tell all your friends to stop buying the same crap | 16:37 |
| pupnik | as a consumer who likes certain brands, i think i can hate that - but yes it is a natural, if shortsighted, move | 16:37 |
| pupnik | mercedes discovered that | 16:37 |
| pupnik | and is clawing their way back to restoring their qzakity and reputation | 16:38 |
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| RST38h | Works like a charm in tightly knit societies | 16:39 |
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| RST38h | More news: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/24/atom-based-nokia-netbook-reportedly-on-track-for-q3/ | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: More 'news' :) | 16:57 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: well, it is Engadget, you know, but on the other side they quote OEMs | 16:59 |
| RST38h | So who knows... | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | Supposedly, reportedly. | 16:59 |
| lcuk | best have touchscreen :) | 17:00 |
| lcuk | and wallmounts | 17:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: will most likely look exactly the same as dozens of other netbooks | 17:02 |
| RST38h | + Nokia logo on the cover and 3G. | 17:02 |
| pupnik | x86 is a plague upon mankind | 17:03 |
| lcuk | mee too? | 17:03 |
| pupnik | .. | 17:03 |
| lcuk | @ rst lol | 17:03 |
| bergie | if they made anything like a modernized Psion Netbook, I'd be really happy | 17:04 |
| bergie | that ran Epoc32, the predecessor of Symbian | 17:04 |
| lcuk | hardware wise its like kid in candy shop at the moment | 17:04 |
| bergie | though obviously Maemo would be more fun :-) | 17:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yep | 17:05 |
| pupnik | i loved the netbook + epoc | 17:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: so many different platforms =) | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: well you can still run Symbian on an netbook :) | 17:05 |
| bergie | though I wonder how well maemo UI works on other resolutions | 17:05 |
| lcuk | yeah, but desktop doesnt interest me :) | 17:05 |
| lcuk | even laptop desktop doesnt | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | bergie, get vnc from a maemo tablet and put it on a desktop and find out | 17:07 |
| lcuk | the asus eee top is a nice touchscreen desktop to try on ;) | 17:07 |
| lcuk | liqbase looks wicked on my 12" screen | 17:07 |
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| Jaffa | bergie/pupnik: hear hear. ARM'd be nice for battery life tho' | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | I think the Maemo5 ui will scale better. | 17:08 |
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| X-Fade | As there is only this top bar. | 17:08 |
| bergie | Jaffa: yeah... IIRC netbook gave something like 6h of working time | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | bergie: Target was 8: a "full working day" | 17:09 |
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| bergie | anyway, the form factor, "instant on" and keyboard of the original netbook rocked | 17:09 |
| pupnik | yes | 17:10 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, yeah but on a big touchscreen having to reach all the way to the top all the time would double gorilla arm! | 17:10 |
| pupnik | i have spare netbook parts if anyone is a real fan | 17:10 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG | 17:10 |
| pupnik | hmm maemo browser refuses to show jpgs | 17:11 |
| pupnik | only for me? | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | dunno im not on tablet | 17:12 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I think it is not configured to show images (rather than html documents with inlined images) | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Oh wait! | 17:13 |
| pupnik | .. | 17:13 |
| RST38h | pupnik: turn image loading ON in the menu, then reaload your jpeg | 17:13 |
| pupnik | ah ty | 17:13 |
| lcuk | bbiab | 17:13 |
| GAN800 | x86 Nokia netbook will be such a sad 'Me too!' | 17:13 |
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| RST38h | GAN: There is also information of a snapdragon based one | 17:14 |
| pupnik | wonder when i disabled that - hehe ty RST38h | 17:14 |
| RST38h | GAN: Already wondering what OS it will run? ;) | 17:15 |
| GAN800 | I don't understand why the would go Qualcomm (spit!) over TI | 17:15 |
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| GAN800 | Especially if Linux is involved. | 17:15 |
| RST38h | pupnik: This is actually a bug and I may locate a tracker for it | 17:15 |
| RST38h | GAN: Don't be such a purist, really | 17:15 |
| GAN800 | blah blah blah | 17:15 |
| RST38h | GAN: You wanted ARM? Qualcomm is ARM. Not that bad SoC, too | 17:16 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Hmm, no bug. I will file one. | 17:17 |
| pupnik | cool | 17:17 |
| pupnik | i am tempted to get smartq 7" for visitors | 17:18 |
| pupnik | but i have too few visitors | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: same here | 17:20 |
| RST38h | (on smartq) | 17:20 |
| RST38h | pupnik, GAN, lcuk: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4735 | 17:20 |
| RST38h | (it will probably never be fixed but let us atleast show some effort in finding these things :() | 17:21 |
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| sneakret | lcuk: flash photo of a laptop screen? :) | 17:27 |
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| sneakret | why not a screen capture? | 17:27 |
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| lcuk | sneakret, a screencapture would look the same no matter what hardware its on | 17:30 |
| lcuk | :) | 17:30 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ha | 17:31 |
| oespirit | ~seen florian | 17:31 |
| infobot | florian <n=fuchs@95.89.44.245> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 18h 12m 47s ago, saying: 'hi prpplague'. | 17:31 |
| lcuk | sneakret, reasonable recent screencapture :P http://liqbase.net/liq.20090526_031404.lib.scr.png | 17:32 |
| sneakret | I thought the point was the resolution. | 17:32 |
| lcuk | size :) | 17:33 |
| lcuk | upscaling from handheld to desktop and beyond is nice | 17:33 |
| sneakret | gotcha | 17:33 |
| Razumihin | Nice chaos :) But the demo video was really promising. | 17:33 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090420_202604.lib.holymoly.png | 17:34 |
| lcuk | Razumihin, :) order will come soon, like an overgrown garden you chop back and prune the bushes | 17:34 |
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| lcuk | but i have had to test all different aspects of the library | 17:34 |
| lcuk | and make sure it can do what i need it to | 17:34 |
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| Razumihin | Yes, i know :) | 17:35 |
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| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3phGHpMwDg <- thats cool | 17:40 |
| pupnik | more info pls | 17:41 |
| wazd | HTC Hero UI overview | 17:41 |
| pupnik | ty | 17:42 |
| aquatix | Hero is damn nice | 17:43 |
| aquatix | with that Sense UI | 17:44 |
| * aquatix found his next phone | 17:44 | |
| aquatix | or the n900 should blow it out of the water | 17:44 |
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| wazd | I doubt that it works that smooth on a real device but its cool anyway) | 17:44 |
| pupnik | will n900 still use hildon? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:47 |
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| k-s | keesj: are you the Kess on qgil announcement? | 17:51 |
| k-s | keesj: running summit in amsterdam | 17:52 |
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| lbt | nice video... nothing new though I saw : music, web, weather, phone, SMS/IM/Twitter, email, clock, photos, maps, shares... and eye-candy | 17:57 |
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| pupnik | when is amsterdam? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | very beginning of october i think | 17:59 |
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| VDVsx | pupnik, 9-11 | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | opencv is kinda neat, http://blip.tv/file/2279920 | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | k-s: keesj is the council member who was involved in the location selection | 18:05 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, yeah is very cool, I worked with opencv in one of my university projects :P | 18:06 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, and there are python bindings, in case you didn't noticed yet :) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah i noticed | 18:08 |
| VDVsx | :) | 18:08 |
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| AchipA | luck: no obligations q - I'm curious if you're planning on pushing pyqt 4.5 into extras-devel in the near future ? | 18:21 |
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| crashanddie | AchipA: why on earth would lcuk want to do that? | 18:26 |
| AchipA | crashanddie: errr, luck... not lcuk | 18:27 |
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| crashanddie | oh now you're just confusing people on purpose with your nicknames :( | 18:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: huzzah, it got built without doing anything awry to your autobuilder. :) Thanks for the help! | 18:29 |
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| AchipA | crashanddie: luck = lucianomw = last pyqt on maemo packager known to me, but I might be mistaken, (C) crisis | 18:30 |
| lcuk | <<<< not luck | 18:31 |
| lcuk | AchipA, hope you get it sorted | 18:31 |
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| lcuk | there should be growing support for qt though | 18:31 |
| aquatix | lcuk.compareTo(luck) == false | 18:31 |
| lcuk | not dwindling | 18:31 |
| AchipA | raise KeyError('oops') | 18:31 |
| AchipA | ~seen lucianomw | 18:32 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'lucianomw', AchipA | 18:32 |
| AchipA | hunting ghosts :) | 18:32 |
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| AchipA | lcuk: thx | 18:33 |
| lcuk | AchipA, gnuton and lbt are heavily involved with native qt, perhaps they will know of more in the pipeline | 18:34 |
| AchipA | lcuk: well, supposedly we'll have 'full' community support in Fremantle, let's see what that amounts to :) | 18:34 |
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| AchipA | lcuk: not really related to native qt, just that pyqt got a new major release a few weeks back and was wondering about the availability of the goodies... | 18:35 |
| lcuk | it means every member of the community will have a nokia branded (if the news is true) dev env sent out :P | 18:35 |
| AchipA | :D | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | since they are tied to qt itself i would imagine they would know more than regular joes :) | 18:35 |
| * lcuk wonders how difficult pyliq bindings would be | 18:36 | |
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| AchipA | lcuk: will ask, but not necessarily, it's an automated process, i.e. it will generate the bindings to (almost :) whatever qt is in the repo | 18:37 |
| AchipA | lcuk: pyliq qould be easy, doing straight c-to-python bindings is trouble at all | 18:38 |
| AchipA | lcuk: unless you do some black magic pointer/struct work, that is :) | 18:38 |
| lcuk | not really black magic opaquepointers | 18:39 |
| lcuk | but it does use pointers extensively | 18:39 |
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| AchipA | lcuk: if you're interested, take a look at http://docs.python.org/library/ctypes.html | 18:39 |
| AchipA | lcuk: if you can fit here, you don't need to do bindings at all, it would Just Work (TM) | 18:40 |
| lcuk | cool, ill put it in my (very long) stack | 18:40 |
| lcuk | o_O that easy? | 18:42 |
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| AchipA | lcuk: It might look scary at first, but it really isn't | 18:44 |
| lcuk | not scary at all, just pondering how to convert .py source file into .so module for use in the playground ;) | 18:47 |
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| lcuk | either that or just what in an interpreter cell and have it load in its .py source | 18:48 |
| AchipA | lcuk: aah, misunderstanding. when you said pyliq I though you want to call liqbase stuff FROM python | 18:48 |
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| lcuk | i do, but the playground (where multiple elements exist) loads in multiple modules from different apps | 18:49 |
| n6pfk | Where can I purcase a replacement battery for the N810 for a decent price? | 18:49 |
| AchipA | lcuk: ah. That would require a little mucking with python-dev | 18:50 |
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| AchipA | lcuk: replace link above with http://www.python.org/doc/2.5.2/ext/callingPython.html | 18:53 |
| lcuk | interesting to know both :) thanks,gotta run \o | 18:53 |
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| xnt14[work] | :P | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | you people need eachothers phonenumbers or something | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | or calendar | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Killer app for N900: http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9703/image001rbr.jpg | 19:08 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, when i clicked on the link in the comic, it returned this page: http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=17313 | 19:15 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, nah, a port of Wobble will have more success :P | 19:15 |
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| RST38h | Sts: actually, excellent online service idea! | 19:16 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, what is "wobble" google image search shows breasts as result 1 (which is principle wobblying thing i suppose) | 19:17 |
| lcuk | but doesnt help | 19:17 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, lol, wobble for iphone in youtube | 19:17 |
| VDVsx | ;) | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | does nobody have a one line answer :P | 19:18 |
| lcuk | ahhhh - it IS about boobie wobbling | 19:19 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: but wasn't that obvious? =) | 19:20 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, cool app, anh ? lololol | 19:20 |
| lcuk | no lol | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | in my innocence i thought it would be wobble jelly :$ | 19:20 |
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| VDVsx | for the record, this app was banned by apple :) | 19:22 |
| lcuk | wonder why | 19:22 |
| * lcuk makes liqwobble, or is that wobbleliq | 19:22 | |
| VDVsx | you can shake any picture, no reason for the ban :) | 19:23 |
| VDVsx | or any part of the picture | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | :D u could do the ruffle truffle thing from goonies | 19:26 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, I'm sad I didn't take a picture last night to match yours. | 19:28 |
| lcuk | to match my what? | 19:28 |
| lcuk | damn, bbiab, ill have to find out then | 19:29 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, tried to cut my finger off last night. | 19:32 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, post-mortem is on my photostream on Flickr. | 19:32 |
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| lbt | goddam .... it's catching | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | "tablet usage: makes you want to maim your fingers!" | 19:34 |
| practisevoodoo_ | have google changed their map url formats again? | 19:35 |
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| ShadowJK | N8x0 needs a proximity sensor | 19:36 |
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| ShadowJK | I fell asleep browsing web in bed and my face ended up resting on the touchscreen, keeping it on until battery ran out :( | 19:37 |
| RST38h | horror | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | By the way... | 19:51 |
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| RST38h | http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/23/gamebone-iphone-gamepad-cooler-than-it-sounds-doubles-as-battery-extender/ | 19:55 |
| wazd_n800 | Damn, looks like my A2DP is broken ( | 19:55 |
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| RST38h | Anyone thinking that it will work really well with tablets? =) | 19:56 |
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| wazd_n800 | mplayer just hangs when it tries to play something with A2DP | 19:56 |
| RST38h | reboot? | 19:56 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, well, it worked like a charm for very long time. Reboot doesn't help( | 19:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I remove pairing and, then, re-pair | 19:58 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12_N810, didn't help either | 19:58 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Damn :/ | 19:59 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12_N810, btw, looks like you have an upgrade?) | 19:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd_n800: hehe, donation from Mer team :) | 19:59 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12_N810, oh, awesome!) | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | we got 2 n810s from nokia and we decided at a breakfast table that qwerty12 (even when not being in the team at the time) deserved the second one for all the work he's pulled through using the bloody on screen keyboard for the project | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | and many other contributions :P | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | qwerty also lost a finger? =) | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 20:01 |
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| wazd_n800 | looks like its time for global reflashing | 20:03 |
| wazd_n800 | With 2 multiboot OS'eson SD card, just like big daddies have) | 20:05 |
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| GAN800 | andre___, lol | 20:14 |
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| GAN800 | andre___, subtler styling is good. ;) | 20:14 |
| GAN800 | andre__, Niels fixed the body text issue, main and main-wrapper need to be in the contents div, not parents of it. | 20:15 |
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| andre___ | ah | 20:17 |
| andre___ | wanna sent me a diff? :-) | 20:17 |
| andre___ | but i'm only here for another 15min, maybe in 5hrs again, don't know yet | 20:18 |
| andre___ | GAN800, ^ | 20:18 |
| GAN800 | At work, at lunch. It only requires moving the content div up a few lines, though. | 20:18 |
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| andre___ | okay | 20:19 |
| andre___ | not urgent | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, link | 20:23 |
| lcuk | so how was the rest of your visit to nokia lol | 20:24 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, generalantilles on flickr | 20:24 |
| GAN800 | too lazy to grab a real link | 20:24 |
| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3656748051/ | 20:24 |
| lcuk | my god | 20:24 |
| lcuk | how bad | 20:24 |
| lcuk | and that metal cage looks v familiar lol | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, how deep, did it need reattachment or is it a cut that needs protection | 20:28 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, about to bone, didn't get stitches though | 20:28 |
| GAN800 | Bought the splint at a drug store. ;) | 20:29 |
| GAN800 | Nowhere near as awesome as yours, but I hit the artery so it bled like crazy. | 20:29 |
| lcuk | yeah they can do | 20:29 |
| GAN800 | Had just the bandadge on it initially | 20:30 |
| lcuk | surprisingly with me there wasnt much blood after the first splurt | 20:30 |
| lcuk | i gather its near middle of the bandage area | 20:30 |
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| GAN800 | But broke it open a few hours later and turned myself into a murder scene on all of about 5 seconds. | 20:30 |
| GAN800 | Right on the inside of the joint. | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | youch, i can see why you want the splint | 20:30 |
| GAN800 | Need to keep it immobilized for any chance of it closing on its own. | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | nahh ducttape | 20:31 |
| lcuk | wouldv done job ;) | 20:31 |
| GAN800 | ehehe | 20:31 |
| GAN800 | Thought about it, didn't have any. | 20:32 |
| lcuk | heh, yeah has to be the silver stuff tho | 20:32 |
| GAN800 | Had to send my sister out for bandages then the splint. | 20:32 |
| lcuk | the other colors leak | 20:32 |
| lcuk | what next? sling? | 20:32 |
| lcuk | wheelchair? | 20:32 |
| GAN800 | Handicap tags | 20:32 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | its horrid when you get broken | 20:33 |
| GAN800 | Had to drive my mothers car this morning since I couldn't manage the stick on mine. :D | 20:33 |
| lcuk | you expect to do stuff and just cant | 20:33 |
| GAN800 | Never broken a bone. | 20:33 |
| lcuk | nor had i till it happened to me | 20:33 |
| lcuk | dislocated hip tho | 20:33 |
| GAN800 | lol | 20:33 |
| GAN800 | I'm probably goimg to break a hip later now. ;) | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | nahh this was years ago | 20:34 |
| lcuk | woke up and tried to get out of bed | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | when i looked round to find out what the problem was, my foot was pointing the wrong way | 20:35 |
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| Macer | hi | 20:44 |
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| SpComb | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29213 <-- seems indeed that I'm not alone with my reboots | 20:54 |
| SpComb | symptoms fit mine exactly | 20:54 |
| Luke-Jr | SpComb: hopefully I'll finish reversing BME soon and someone can write a sane charger | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | SpComb: what charger? | 20:54 |
| woglinde | hi | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | model, that is | 20:55 |
| SpComb | the standard Nokia charger that came with the N810 or the 6120 Classic | 20:55 |
| SpComb | AC-4E | 20:55 |
| udovdh | battery issue? | 20:56 |
| SpComb | perhaps | 20:56 |
| udovdh | then change the monitoring... | 20:56 |
| udovdh | pfff. | 20:56 |
| udovdh | or does it imply the power really cuts out? | 20:56 |
| Luke-Jr | can't change anything with current blob BME... | 20:56 |
| lopz | hi | 20:57 |
| SpComb | the bsme stuff puts the blame on a sw_rst by bme_RX-44 | 20:57 |
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| SpComb | but somehow I don't think it's just a pure battery issue | 20:59 |
| SpComb | another wierdness that I've noticed is that the entire system stutters really badly for a while after rebooting | 21:00 |
| slonopotamus | sane charger... | 21:01 |
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| SpComb | by charger do you mean some software/firmware component? | 21:01 |
| slonopotamus | sounds scary :) | 21:02 |
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| slonopotamus | SpComb, sw | 21:02 |
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| ShadowJK | stuttering after reboot might be jffs2 garbage collection | 21:07 |
| ShadowJK | do any of you people experiencing this have volt meters? | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | digital multimeters etc | 21:08 |
| Luke-Jr | SpComb: bme_RX-44 is the battery charger | 21:08 |
| RST38h | stuttering after reboot may be that metalayer-crawler | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | hm, I've seen bme die a few times.. without RD mode dsme would at that point reboot, I think | 21:09 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: with or without I'd hope | 21:09 |
| keesj | k-s: indeed | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, without it doesn't... atleast I've managed to kill bme and not have the device reboot | 21:10 |
| k-s | keesj: hope to see you there! | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | (accidentally, bme is kinda buggy) | 21:10 |
| Luke-Jr | it's funny how Nokia asked the community at some point what the #1 most important thing to open source was | 21:11 |
| keesj | I hope I can make it up for thet last time :p | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, what was the answer? :-) | 21:11 |
| Luke-Jr | we said BME/DSME | 21:11 |
| Luke-Jr | so Nokia stripped all the useful stuff out of DSME and opened that | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | ha | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | dsme has practically been unchanged for a long time | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | look at the svn tree | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | the fun part is that most of the stuff was in modules :> | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | One thing I wonder about these battery charging reboot loops... do people ever experience them with a running tablet? i.e. one that doesn't have empty battery, one that is running just fine as is, but reboots if charger is connected? | 21:13 |
| Luke-Jr | either way, what they opened was useless | 21:13 |
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| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: uh, yeah, did you read the thread? | 21:13 |
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| Luke-Jr | nobody there had an empty battery | 21:13 |
| lcuk | isnt it a case of be careful what you wish for - it might just come true | 21:13 |
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| Luke-Jr | lcuk: if Nokia released BME code, it'd be useful | 21:14 |
| lcuk | to who? | 21:14 |
| slonopotamus | to tablet users | 21:14 |
| Luke-Jr | product owners | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | I've had the tablet spontaneously reboot when I've messed around with nonstandard chargers.. I dont think that went through the blink-blue-led-on-reboot stage though, it just insta-rebooted | 21:14 |
| lcuk | what would i use it for | 21:14 |
| lcuk | how would it make my tablet experience better? | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: killing people with tablet bombs | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | ! | 21:14 |
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| ShadowJK | :) | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | noone suspects a nokia! | 21:15 |
| lcuk | what i have wanted for a long time is access to hardware that was not used at all | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | i dont care how it comes | 21:15 |
| lcuk | and quims posting today made me smile from ear to ear :) | 21:15 |
| lcuk | THAT is something that can give a direct benefit to the users | 21:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: Nokia have a fair reason for not open sourcing that one. Not to say I don't support your efforts in reversing it, also | 21:15 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, it's impossible to make a thing that is useful for everyone. so _some_ of product owners would benefit | 21:16 |
| Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: no they don't | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | The docs i've managed to find unfortunately seem to hint that battery safety cutoffs are in software... so if you modified bme to not kill power when the battery voltage dips below safe, and run the battery much more emptier... you could create a ticking timebomb :> | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, what do you mean? | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | not sed? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, but im not in any hardship because bme is closed | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | not used? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | i bought a product to do something | 21:16 |
| lcuk | it does it | 21:16 |
| lcuk | thats re bme^ | 21:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ShadowJK: powervr | 21:16 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: BME is buggy | 21:17 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 21:17 |
| lcuk | but powervr drivers - well arent we all interested in games and sci progs and renderers and playing | 21:17 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: I'd be more interested in Nokia giving us the source or specs needed to make GPS work | 21:17 |
| pupnik | that would be fun to see | 21:17 |
| SpComb | Luke-Jr: interesting | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: i honestly think it is because it's safe than sory | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | sorry | 21:17 |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, gps works? its got a crap antenna and no amount of source is gonna change that i dont think, but it works | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: the GPS sucks, I'd rather see the PowerVR | 21:17 |
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| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: could be. but can't tell w/o code | 21:18 |
| lcuk | can you get a lock? | 21:18 |
| lcuk | does map show where you are? | 21:18 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: no, GPS doesn't work outside of Maemo and it is also extremely buggy | 21:18 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: no | 21:18 |
| lcuk | when you bought the device and turned it on did it work? | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | hey does N8x0 have UL certification? I wonder how UL would treat user-modifiable bme in that case, might not have passed :) | 21:18 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf is UL | 21:19 |
| Luke-Jr | releasing source doesn't change BME's status as user modifiable | 21:19 |
| Luke-Jr | we can still modify BME | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | underwriter laboratories, a product safety laboratory thing in the US | 21:19 |
| Luke-Jr | locking up the code only means we are doing it blind | 21:19 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK, distribute bme source separately from tablet itself and be happy | 21:20 |
| SpComb | it's called obfuscation, aka. "security" | 21:20 |
| Luke-Jr | SpComb: that's not security. | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | you cannot force a company to show their code, and open source is meant to try to work round roadblocks | 21:20 |
| Luke-Jr | it's also infringing on our rights to do what we want with what we buy | 21:20 |
| lcuk | bollocks | 21:21 |
| Luke-Jr | when I buy something, the company should have no say whatsoever with what i do with it | 21:21 |
| Luke-Jr | it's mine | 21:21 |
| lcuk | you can do whatever you want with what you bought | 21:21 |
| lcuk | you just havent got the hymn sheet | 21:21 |
| SpComb | ShadowJK: the charger reboot-loops are very consitent for me | 21:22 |
| ShadowJK | anyway.. if my tablet was rebooting when I connected charger I'd return it on warranty :-) | 21:22 |
| SpComb | I have to mute my tablet if I want to charge it, otherwise the constant bootup-tones get really annoying | 21:22 |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, go and ask BMW for the source for their in car system | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | (after poking the terminals with a scope, of course) | 21:23 |
| lcuk | heh ShadowJK | 21:23 |
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| ShadowJK | time for work, screen off :-) | 21:24 |
| fuz_ | hello, it seems that reboot while charging are caused by bad batteries | 21:24 |
| SpComb | that seems to be the conclusion that thread came to | 21:24 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:25 |
| Luke-Jr | fuz_: they work otherwise just fine | 21:26 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, hello | 21:26 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: shouldn't x11 applications under chroot run with the original xserver? | 21:27 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, they do run | 21:28 |
| slonopotamus | ah | 21:28 |
| slonopotamus | bind-mount /tmp | 21:28 |
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| johnsq | I will look, I have currently 1.6 direct running. | 21:29 |
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| SpComb | although seems that while the device itself has 24 months warranty, the battery is only 6 months... | 21:32 |
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| fuz_ | luke: bad battery work fine only for some time. I've got the reboot problem for more than 6 month (in a very intermittent way) with 2 batteries, and now they are also causing reboot when unplugged, or get instantly discharged some times | 21:32 |
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| fuz_ | btw i'm the last poster here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=298376 | 21:33 |
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| SpComb | dunno exactly how long I've had these issues, probably for 2-3 months, although they didn't all start at once | 21:40 |
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| SpComb | fuz_: do you have any opinion as to how well the warranties cover this? | 21:41 |
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| fuz_ | spc: i really don't know. you may try to have the battery replaced if it's in warranty period | 21:42 |
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| Snaht | I was looking for a way to get the URL for media streams that I've saved in the default media player for OS2008 (menu > clip > details doesn't work), and per maemo.org's bug tracker, bug 1654 indicates that this is a known issue with a workaround. My question is if I edit /home/user/.mediaplayer-engine/radiochennels.m3u and (re)start the media player, will that screw something up, or will the media player now use the new name or URL? | 21:43 |
| fuz_ | my n810 (and batteries) are 1.5 years old, so i'm out of luck with warranty | 21:44 |
| SpComb | mine is slightly over a year old, so it's within the 24 month warranty for the device, but presumeably not the 6 month warranty for the battery... | 21:44 |
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| fuz_ | anyway, i'm glad it's a problem with the battery and not with the device | 21:46 |
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| GAN800 | Ah, Luke-Jr Rants© | 21:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Can I get the sermon sent to my house? =) | 21:47 |
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| johnsq | is there a readable fluxbox style for nit? | 21:49 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, oh my :) built flux? | 21:50 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus, yes its working but i need new glasses | 21:50 |
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| * xnt14[work] is bored | 21:51 | |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, increase font size? | 21:52 |
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| FireFox16 | ~seen xnt14 | 21:55 |
| infobot | xnt14 is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 6h 45m 51s, last said: 'RST38H, ok thanks :)'. | 21:55 |
| FireFox16 | :P | 21:55 |
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| slonopotamus | ~seen zeenix | 21:57 |
| infobot | zeenix is currently on #maemo (15h 19m 47s), last said: 'calvaris: i wonder why you look so familiar? :P'. | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | wow. useful :) | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | ~seen [1]ciroip | 21:57 |
| infobot | i haven't seen '[1]ciroip', slonopotamus | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | err | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | infobot, die | 21:57 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 21:57 | |
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| FireFox16 | lol | 21:59 |
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| * lcuk wonders how it manages to get the second round out | 22:00 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | More to the point: How does it get a gun in the first place? It's a bot and I thought there were gun-control laws *cough*... | 22:01 |
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| FireFox16 | ~burn himself | 22:02 |
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| FireFox16 | infobot: ! | 22:02 |
| infobot | well, ! is what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass | 22:02 |
| FireFox16 | xP | 22:02 |
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| FireFox16 | infobot: you suck | 22:03 |
| infobot | and very well I might add | 22:03 |
| FireFox16 | rofl | 22:03 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: firefox is also running, but the menus are too small | 22:06 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, how's the speed, hehe? :) | 22:06 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: fast. no problems | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | a/G 12 | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 22:25 |
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| fireun | http://www.physorg.com/news164996028.html | 22:26 |
| fireun | why couldnt it have been IBM instead of Intel? | 22:26 |
| fireun | they're at least more OSS friendly | 22:26 |
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| fireun | maybe I'm beating a dead horse here, you all probably heard about this weeks ago | 22:27 |
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| Proteous | weeks? years!! | 22:28 |
| pupnik | today | 22:28 |
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| fireun | Proteous: so you clearly can see the future, what is gonna happen in 5 years? | 22:29 |
| derf | Intel (like IBM) is a large company. Different parts of it behave differently towards open source. | 22:29 |
| derf | See, e.g., their graphics card division. | 22:29 |
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| Proteous | fireun: intel renames itself to skynet | 22:31 |
| fireun | oh dang | 22:31 |
| Proteous | etc. etc. etc | 22:31 |
| Proteous | that's why all my stocks are in canned food companies | 22:32 |
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| fireun | Proteous: thats not the only reason I'm sure | 22:34 |
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| fireun | dont forget the companies that import malaysian tin! | 22:34 |
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| Proteous | Mmmm, lead | 22:35 |
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| fireun | Proteous: you've also been buying up surplus x-ray gowns and lining your basement with them, havnt you? | 22:36 |
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| Proteous | fireun, I don't get it | 22:40 |
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| * GAN800 contemplates an ARM PoS mach | 23:16 | |
| GAN800 | ine | 23:16 |
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| GAN800 | Yearly that would have to be a huge powersaving | 23:17 |
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| Stskeeps | next 24/7 server i will have will be ARM | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | really considering a sheevaplug | 23:18 |
| woglinde | *g* | 23:19 |
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| woglinde | everyone wants a sheeva | 23:19 |
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| EdLin | what'sa sheevaplug? | 23:20 |
| woglinde | uh? | 23:21 |
| woglinde | you didnt get informed about the 1.2 ghz arm cpu | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | EdLin: http://gizmodo.com/5159399/sheevaplug-a-99-linux-pc-crammed-inside-a-wall-plug | 23:21 |
| nomis | Stskeeps: do you have an idea if they come in an european variant as well? | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | I have one | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | There's eu variant now | 23:24 |
| woglinde | ShadowJK where to buy? | 23:24 |
| woglinde | some people asked me about | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | But the plug is removable, behind it is a standard socket thing | 23:25 |
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| EdLin | woglinde: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit-us.aspx | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | The kind you see/saw on portable radio casette players | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | oo? | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | Yeh | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | neat | 23:26 |
| woglinde | edlin the europeanversion | 23:26 |
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| EdLin | woglinde: take a look at the website, they sell it too I think. | 23:26 |
| woglinde | ah too | 23:26 |
| woglinde | okay | 23:26 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, sadly the PoS software I have to use only runs on 98. | 23:26 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Upgrade to Windows ME | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | Took about 6 weeks before I got mine | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | Got it this week, havent had much time to play with it | 23:28 |
| GAN800 | I'm hoping I might be able to manage it in Wine | 23:28 |
| GAN800 | Be really nice to save the money on XP licenses. | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | Though usb-plug-ssh-remote does aout 10meg per sec | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | Should do wonderfully on nfs im hoping | 23:29 |
| woglinde | hm the openrd-client looks good too? | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | You get more connectors :) | 23:30 |
| woglinde | vga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 23:31 |
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| woglinde | that would make a good carpc | 23:31 |
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| ShadowJK | It kinda amuses me. It's basically a proper arm computer... Cheap.. But probably too late to reviwe riscos | 23:33 |
| woglinde | no fans | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | 200$ for that? cheap | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder how it would have turned out if there hadnt been a huge gap with missing affordable hardware | 23:34 |
| woglinde | full gbit ethernet | 23:34 |
| lbt | The CPU isn't the issue..... the HCI i | 23:34 |
| woglinde | arm | 23:34 |
| lbt | s | 23:34 |
| woglinde | not atom | 23:34 |
| lbt | or general Environment/Computer Iinterface | 23:35 |
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| lbt | A CPU in a plug may as well be hosted | 23:35 |
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| ShadowJK | Lbt: the other thing, not plug, has vga, sata, 7usb and some other ports.. | 23:37 |
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| lbt | which? the 22 version? | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | if it's really not fanned, it might be gf acceptable :P | 23:38 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders watt usage | 23:39 | |
| lbt | "it operates on only 5-watts of power" | 23:39 |
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| Stskeeps | the openrd client? | 23:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Note that the ports and connectors differ between the two openrd versions | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | My plug seems to get quite warm.. But probably not unreasonably warm for 5watts in a glossy plastic closed box | 23:42 |
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