IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-06-08

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lcukmmmm - ive just uploaded 2 packages to the autobuilder - 1 is a library, the other is the app - if the app depends on the library how will it be found00:02
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qwerty12_N810you'll have to wait 'til the library is built and in -devel00:03
qwerty12_N810wb johnx00:03
lcukok ill see what happens lol00:03
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* wjt isn't sure about Left! Right! Left! Right!00:08
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* lcuk deletes all his source code00:14
GAN800The Ovi Store couldn't be any more useless.00:15
lcuksure it can00:15
lcukbut it wont help my melting head00:16
lbtlcuk is using git isn't he ?00:16
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lcuknot this week im not00:16
GAN800The only applications I can find for air travel and movie times only apply to Simgapore but make absolutely no mention of that fact at any point.00:16
lcukhow would i split git out into 2 halves and take the changes intended for the library portion in one history00:17
GAN800Lots of the other stuff simply does not work.00:17
lcukand the changes intended for the app in another00:17
GAN800Or only works sometimes and then quite slowly.00:17
lbtto make 2 repos?00:17
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lbtduplicate the base repo00:17
lcukor do i just carry on with a single glorious repo00:18
lbtthen remove the library00:18
lbtand call it "application"00:18
lbtin the other00:18
lbtremove the apps00:18
lbtand call it librar00:18
lbtclone them up to gitorious seperately00:19
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lcuknot garage?00:19
lbtah... you said glorious00:19
lbtI mis-read00:19
lcukeasy to do00:20
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lcuki might just keep everything in one repo00:21
lcukbut obviously move all the folders around now its clear which is which00:21
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lcukmmm extras build queue looks a bit odd00:23
lcukits showing the packages i uploaded as being 20:1800:23
lcukbut new packages and all others are showing as 17:2500:24
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GAN8001lol, Engadget.01:39
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GeneralAntilles667MHz ARM11 vs 600MHz Cortex A8. Fight! :roll:01:39
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* GAN800 pissed off the Engadget editor apparently.01:44
Pavlovengadget is so random01:44
GAN800He didn't take to kindly to my comments about their reporting on Maemo rumors. :D01:46
infobotGAN800 meant: He didn't take too kindly to my comments about their reporting on Maemo rumors. :D01:46
Pavlovreporting might be too strong01:46
GAN800That's what I said. ;)01:47
lcukgan are you determined to piss off the entire world lol01:48
GAN800Nah, just people who are wrong on the internet.01:49
GAN800lcuk, your N800's broken and your face is ugly. :P01:52
GAN800I never01:52
GAN800I never got a straight answer as to whether or not that was fixed at CPH.01:52
lcukmy n800 isnt important and mmm perhaps you are right about #2 lol01:52
lcuki forgot it01:52
lcukin the rush to get ready01:52
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GAN800Gotta wait until October, then.01:53
lcuk[2009-06-08 01:50:13] Processing package libliqbase 0.2-dev-1. Uploader: lcuk, builder: builder201:53
lcuk[2009-06-08 01:50:14] Building libliqbase 0.2-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel'01:53
lcuk[2009-06-08 01:51:45] FAILED01:53
lcuki fail01:53
GAN800I'm bound and determined to prove it fixable. :P01:53
lcukok fair enough01:53
lcukbut its not broken now01:53
lcukos2007 games play just as well as os2008 ones01:53
lcukjake loves it01:53
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lcuk[2009-06-08 02:18:41] Building libliqbase 0.2.1-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-i386-extras-devel'02:23
lcuk[2009-06-08 02:21:49] OK02:23
* johnx_ claps02:25
johnx_very nice02:25
johnx_now get some sleep :P02:25
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lcukjohnx_, all ive gotta do now it make the same work for other targets, sb was bein a bitch and didnt wanna install em02:28
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Macerfor target i386?03:12
GAN800Stskeeps, lbt, johnx, etc., can you make sure you add [[Category:Mer]] to the bottom of all Mer pages?03:13
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lcukmmm any autobuilder gods around03:21
lcukstrange build results :S03:21
lcuk[2009-06-08 03:15:10] Processing package liqbase-playground 0.2.3-dev-1. Uploader: lcuk, builder: builder103:21
lcuk[2009-06-08 03:15:11] Building liqbase-playground 0.2.3-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel'03:21
lcuk[2009-06-08 03:16:31] OK03:21
lcuk[2009-06-08 03:16:31] Building liqbase-playground 0.2.3-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-i386-extras-devel'03:21
lcuk[2009-06-08 03:17:41] FAILED03:21
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* Macer points and laughs at lcuk !03:37
MacerHA HA HA HA03:37
* Macer grins :) just kidding03:38
johnx_Macer: so how did that update go? :)03:38
Macerwhich one?03:38
Maceropensolaris is running great03:38
johnx_the hackOSX update03:38
Maceri'm on it right now03:38
Maceri gave up :-\03:38
Macercouldn't get a gbit working and spent enough time on it03:39
Macerbut the artigo runs opensolaris great03:39
Maceri actually like opensolaris for a server more than nexenta03:39
johnx_call me old fashioned but I still really like debian stable on servers03:40
Macerzfs ftw ;)03:40
Macerif i can keep my raid zpool (which i should be able to since it's seperate from the OS)03:40
johnx_LVM2+snapshots works perfectly here03:40
Maceri might install opensolaris on my fileserver03:40
Macerand get rid of nexenta03:40
Maceri just dunno abut lvms because you have that traditional filesystem layer on them03:41
johnx_dunno about what part?03:41
Macerthe part where you have to format the volume03:41
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Macerwith like03:42
Macerext3 or something03:42
johnx_yup. works great03:42
johnx_been using it in a production environment for a couple years now03:42
johnx_snapshots are totally awesome03:42
Maceroh i have no doubt that it works03:43
Maceri used it before03:43
Macerjust like zfs better03:43
Macermaybe it's the integrated cifs/nfs stuff03:43
Maceror multiple filesystems in a pool with the ability to hard limit them or resize them fairly easily03:44
johnx_from a design perspective it looks cleaner on a sheet of paper I guess, but in practice moving to OpenSolaris is a non-starter at my office03:44
Macerthose sort of things seemed difficult for lvm :)03:44
Maceror i just didn't take the time to really learn how to use it to tell you  the truth03:44
johnx_you can resize volumes and then resize ext3 over them without problems I believe03:44
johnx_not something we often do to running machines ;)03:45
Maceroh i understand03:45
Macerbut i heard that lowering the size can be difficult03:45
Macershrinking it may be a pain... honestly don't know personally though03:46
johnx_I can honestly say that was never a use case I considered03:46
Maceras well as seeing people having problems using growfs to expand the ext3 stuff if they add more storage and want a larger single volume03:46
johnx_supose so. never ran into that myself03:47
johnx_anyways, headed out. gonna see star trek and stop tinkering with projects for a while :)03:48
johnx_have fun with open solaris03:48
Macergood movie ;)03:48
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tonyyarussoCan anyone explain the format of the passwords.s file from the microb browser to me?  I'm wondering if there's a way to decode one.05:50
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timeless_mbptonyyarusso: feed it to a normal mozilla?07:12
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tonyyarussotimeless_mbp: I suppose that might work?07:12
* timeless_mbp gets confused07:13
timeless_mbpis that a statement or a question?07:13
tonyyarussoboth - trying it to see07:14
timeless_mbpyou'd want an approximately equivalent gecko07:14
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timeless_mbpand sometimes there's another file you want to take07:14
timeless_mbpusually it's best to just take the entire profile directory07:14
timeless_mbpmodern versions of firefox let you do: firefox -P /path/to/a/random/profile07:15
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jaem_N810hey folks07:18
pupnik810grah, esddsp broked again07:18
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jaem_N810just a quick question... is it relatively easy to share the wifi connection of an N810 over USBnet to a Linux desktop, or should I just forget it?07:19
jaem_N810I understand Maemo's networking is a bit... strange07:20
johnxI managed it once07:21
johnxit's not the networking that was the problem, it was messing with usb modes07:21
johnxthough my maemo install has grown somewhat crusty07:22
johnxI think I pulled it off with ipmasq/NAT07:22
jaem_N810johnx: so it would be a fairly standard procedure from the networking end of things?07:22
jaem_N810I'd have to look it up anyhow, but that would make it easier07:23
johnxif you have your tablet talking to your desktop over usb networking, then just grab the ipmasq/nat modules for the kernel, and follow any basic NAT howto on Linux07:23
jaem_N810ah, okay07:24
jaem_N810I run Archlinux, and I have yet to figure out how to set up usb networking on it07:24
johnxifconfig usb0
jaem_N810oh... riiiiight07:24
johnxshould be ok on any linux, might need to s/usb0/somethingelse0/ on *bsd07:25
jaem_N810I haven't set it up at all in ages, and I half the guides I found were outdated and/or unnecessarily convoluted07:25
jaem_N810thanks, johnx ;)07:25
pupnik810i cant get uae4all working07:25
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johnxpoke rm_you07:30
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johnxrm_you, if you don't tell me not to I'm gonna post a pic that includes you from Copenhagen07:31
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pupnik810tear browser is wonderfully fast07:44
pupnik810competes with desktop firefox07:44
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johnxyup, with that cookie fix that went in a while ago it even makes /. bearable07:45
johnxwell, the rendering is bearable, it hasn't fixed the editing07:45
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zakkmthe cookie fix one is faster?07:46
zakkmi have yet to update to the newest07:47
johnxjust use qole's repository07:47
zakkmit wont refresh07:47
zakkmdoes it make tear faster?07:47
johnxwell, yeah, grab the latest webkit then, defiinitely07:47
zakkmi use webkit nightly on my mac07:48
zakkmbut yeah07:48
johnxso much yes. basically there was some slowdown with the way it processed cookies when loading a page07:48
zakkmawesome :)07:48
johnxso after the cookie database started to get big (like 200KB+) it slowed things down a lot07:48
pupnik810i miss a "find07:52
pupnik810in page"07:52
pupnik810esp for irclogs :/07:52
johnxyeah. that's my most wanted feature07:53
pupnik810does mer have /dec/dsp support (oss)?07:54
johnxI don't believe so, but I'm not the one working on sound07:55
johnxI think the idea is to support pulseaudio and alsa07:56
Macerjohnx: like star trek?07:56
Maceri thought it was pretty good07:56
johnxyup. lots of fun07:56
Macerlike the way they side stepped the total trek nerds with the whole parallel timeline thing07:57
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Macerso you don't get dorkuses saying "That model of starship wasn't even around in that stardate!"07:57
pupnik810i dont have time to change sound backend to alsa07:57
johnxfor uae4all?07:57
pupnik810and others07:58
johnxmaemo doesn't have /dev/dsp either, right?07:58
pupnik810a new NES emu is working nice here07:58
pupnik810mknod /dev/dsp c 14 307:58
pupnik810and using a seperate libesd with LD_PRELOAD through esddsp script07:59
pupnik810but im not getting sound and dunna why07:59
johnxMacer, yeah, I also like that they didn't try to wrap it all up neatly in the end. I'd like to see more movies in this alternate timeline07:59
zakkmyou guys all excited about wwdc09 in 12 hours?/08:00
Macerme too. it was pretty good.. some of the stuff was the same. like when he cheats on the test08:00
johnxzakkm, I was lots more excited about the pre, but getting to play with maemo5 on a real device cured me of even that :)08:01
Macerthe palm pre? :)08:01
Macerisn't it an iphone raped?08:01
Macersay what you want about apple and an iphone but it seriously set the trend08:02
johnxyou mean: "Did they actually pay attention to what the iphone did right instead of pretending like it never happened?"08:02
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johnxanyone who doesn't take some design cues from the iphone at this point would be worse than stupid08:03
Maceryeah.. now if only nokia would take notice with their phones and use something other tha symbian08:03
johnxit would be like ignoring the mouse when you're making a new desktop OS for the masses08:03
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Maceryeah i suppose so08:03
johnxMacer, well they do have something besides Symbian in their stable :)08:03
zakkmheh i meant Snow leopard, not the new iphone :P08:04
johnxwhat are they even adding in show leopard?08:04
zakkm64-bit support08:04
Macerzakkm: will it be able to boot zfs?08:04
zakkmopenCL ( videocard acceleration over cpu )08:04
johnxI'll probably give it a pass08:04
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Macerif thtey integrate zfs into the os properly.. it will be pretty awesome08:05
zakkmdont know much :P08:05
zakkmthats why im excited :D08:05
zakkmMacer: saw somewhere zfs is 10x faster than hfs+08:05
zakkmor something08:05
Macerof course it is08:05
Macerand 10x less bad08:05
Macerwhy they stuck with hfs i will never know08:05
zakkmthats what im waiting for :P08:05
johnxwell it least it has unix permissions08:06
Maceryeah i suppose that's a + :)08:06
johnxthe hfs tagline should read: well at least it's not FAT32, right?08:06
zakkmmacer did you try that network patch08:06
Macerzakkm: i didn't see it08:06
Macerso i am guessing it is something that was already used on the disc but still didn't work08:07
zakkmmight not of added it to that disc then08:07
Macerwell. i was wrokign more so on the opensolaris on the artigo lately08:07
Maceropensolaris is probably the best server :)08:07
zakkmah i so want to update from 10.5.6 :P08:07
Maceri tried to do that08:08
Macerand lost all the drivers haha08:08
zakkmi have to make a server later in the summer08:08
zakkmweb server mostly08:08
zakkmheh yeah08:08
Maceri guess i could have moved the backup extensions over to the update but i just got sick of the lan not working08:08
zakkmi backed them up08:08
johnx10.5.7 works fine, but it failed to boot correctly one time08:08
zakkmjohnx: real or hackintosh?08:08
Maceri think if i want to use osx i will just get an actual mac or something08:08
Macerjohnx: it is rare that any leopard update does anything noticable08:09
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Maceri think most of them are just to discourage running it on PC stuff08:09
johnxI noticed the fail to boot :)08:09
zakkmthe updates do huge stuff08:09
zakkmthe 10.5.7 did a 20% opengl performance boost :P08:09
Macerzakkm: well.. it has zfs  :)08:09
johnxyeah, new version of itunes! woo!08:09
zakkmand a 35% battery life08:09
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Maceron a macbook?08:09
johnxuh huh. 35%08:09
zakkmit did~08:09
zakkmon hackintoshs anyways08:09
zakkmon the atom netbooks08:10
zakkmthats why lately everyones thinking apple is coming out with one08:10
zakkmcause the latest mac version gave a battery boost to them08:10
Macerwell... i know they have zfs on there for some reason08:10
Macerwhich is a pretty moot point after you have already installed with hfs and can't really use it08:10
johnxah! it must be atom based, battery powered servers!08:10
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zakkmeither way, the updates do alot ;p08:11
* johnx leaks the news to engadget08:11
Macer mace$ sudo zpool list08:11
Macerno pools available08:11
johnxyup, after 10.5.7 my coworkers macbook fails to suspend sometimes too :)08:11
zakkmsuspend to ram?08:11
johnxyeah, no pools in my neighborhood either08:11
Macermy mb has been fine. i've never had any problems like that after updating08:11
Macerjohnx: hha08:11
johnxwhich is a shame cause the weather is so nice08:12
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* zakkm has a neighborhood pool nearby, but no family owned ones08:12
* zakkm cant swim08:12
Macerwell. :) i wish a thing would have popped up that said "Would you like to conver the entire hard disk to zfs?"08:12
johnxonly did it a couple times, but I seem to cause mac instability08:12
Macerthen i'd be happy08:12
Macerzfs kicks ass08:12
johnxI have the same effect on windows installs08:12
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zakkmmac osx rules :)08:12
Maceronly time i had problems like that ... was with my G308:12
zakkmyou guys use xslimmer?08:13
Macergoing from like 10.4 to like 10.4.9 or something08:13
Maceri still have that G3... i should throw it out or something08:13
zakkmtakes out languages/ppc out of packages.08:13
zakkmmaking all the installed apps smaller size08:13
zakkmmy itunes is 52mb :P08:13
Macerthat sucks... i wish apple would release a ppc08:13
Macerjust otu of nowhere08:13
Macerout :(08:13
zakkmsnow leopard has no ppc support :p08:13
Macerlike a G6 "Special PPC edition"08:13
Maceri know :(08:13
zakkmwell maybe08:14
zakkmmight change their minds08:14
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Macerheh.. no they're supposed to be getting rid of it altogether08:14
zakkmquicktime X looks awesome :D08:14
johnxzakkm, nope. I feel no need to hack up desktop OSes this decade08:14
Maceri hope they get into an accident .. and die for that08:14
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zakkmjohnx: i love ibook's / powerbook g4's :D08:14
zakkmwish i could afford one08:14
MacerG5s kick ass too08:14
* zakkm computer is faster than the highest-end imac08:15
johnxI like my G3, but feel no need to put mac os x on it08:15
Macerit isn't worth it ;)08:15
zakkmeww OS9 ?08:15
Macerit slows it down pretty bad08:15
zakkmi hate OS9 has no intel support ;p08:15
zakkmi want to play the sims 1 :)08:15
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johnxzakkm, nah, linux and wiiOS08:15
johnxor whatever the official name is08:16
johnxmy G3 is a Wii08:16
zakkmwii's use ppc08:16
Macercan you put osx on it??08:16
Macerthat would be awesome lol08:16
johnxI think it would be more fun to watch you try and do that to yours :>08:16
Macerno thanks08:16
zakkmwhat you talking about08:17
johnxyeah, like 70MB of RAM08:17
Maceri just finished getting my wii all hack0red08:17
zakkmyou install wii emulation + wiimote on your mac PC :D08:17
Macerwith all the games on an external08:17
Maceri have like 90 games on it :)08:17
Macerit's great08:17
Macerthe usb cover loader is awesome too. i was playing the mushroom men game08:18
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Macerthat game kicks ass08:18
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zakkmyo do you still need a wii modchip?08:18
johnxyeah, but most people call them SD cards08:19
johnxI'll sell you this 1GB wii modchip for $100 ;)08:19
zakkmyou can just use a sd card?08:19
Macerzakkm: yeah... it's pretty easy too08:19
zakkmno actual hardware hacking/physical?08:19
zakkmi would really like that for a friend08:19
johnxyou do have to put the "mod chip" into the front08:19
Macernothing major08:19
Maceryou have to keep pulling out the SD to get all the stuff on it08:20
zakkmthe n800 has taught me well :)08:20
Macerback and forth and back and forth until you get it right08:20
zakkmhave to copy all data onto the wii?08:20
Macerno.. there are just a few apps that you need08:20
Macerbut i kept screwing up08:20
Macerthen there is also a modded bootloader08:20
Macerso you can back up the internal flash08:21
johnxit was stupidly easier back before the latest version08:21
Macerin case you update by accident08:21
johnxwhen I did it you just unpacked a zip onto the sd card, copied a save game and started playing zelda08:21
zakkmahh i should tell him hah in the mroning08:21
Maceri think it's easier now08:21
Macerthat zelda hack looked like it would take too long08:21
johnxit really was exactly the steps I just described ;)08:22
Maceryou can play online with it still :)08:22
Maceryeah but bannerbomb doesn't even require you load a game :)08:22
zakkmthats awesome, i should try that08:22
zakkmgotta go over anyways , gavea him my 160gb internal harddrive08:23
zakkmhe had a 14gb harddrive for his pc, hah08:23
zakkmand i was going to clone the partition, and throw out the 14gb, but only had enough time to stick in the 16008:23
Macerwell. i'm using like 300G on a 400G and didn't even get all the games :)08:24
Macerpunch out is ok. i found my GC controllers too so i want to start using that. i don't like the motion controllers08:24
Macerhouse of the dead overkill is real funny08:24
johnxthe wiimotes are actually pretty fun for a lot of games08:25
Maceri guess. i don't like playing punch out with them08:25
johnxor maybe I'm just amused by novelty08:25
Macerand mario kart kind of sucks with the seperated remote08:25
johnxI heard you can use the wii fit board for punchout08:25
Maceralthough mario kart kicks ass :)08:25
Macerif you drift you get a boost08:25
Maceryou couldn't win the n64 one without learning how to drift through the entire race08:26
johnxyeah, admittedly mario kart is no fun trying to play it by waving the controller around08:26
Macerwell. you don't have to... that steering wheel crap is a waste08:26
Macerit's better with the controls in your hands08:26
Maceralthough house of the dead sucks without the gun thing08:26
zakkmi like super mario strikers :)08:27
zakkmthe soccer one08:27
Maceroverkill had me dying laughing during the intro08:27
zakkmdont game much, but remember when that came out, 2 friends and i.. omg that was fun08:27
Macerhe'll cut your balls off "i'm gonna cut your motha fuckin balls off"08:27
Maceri'm glad nintendo didn't keep it all kiddie like they usually do08:27
Macerthey allowed developers to make adult games08:27
johnxnow if only they were allowed to make 'adult' games ...08:28
Macerremember mortal kombat when it first came out and the snes one was awesome but all the fatalities sucked and sweat instead of blood? :)08:28
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Macerlol. the wii penis attachment controller?08:28
* Macer could see that08:28
Macerthey probably have them in japan08:28
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johnxthe thing already comes with a freakin' silicon condom08:29
johnxand it vibrates08:29
johnxthis isn't exactly a real leap...08:29
Maceri could see them researching vaginas in the nintendo building basement08:29
zakkmhow old are you both?08:30
johnxold enough to find 6th grade humor funny08:30
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Macerthis son of mine just will not go to sleep08:35
Maceri'm about to spike his sippy cup08:36
johnx"one for me, one for baby."08:36
Macerit's 12:30am here08:36
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zakkmits 1;30am here08:36
Maceri hardly slept.. i'm dying08:36
zakkmheh dont trust him to sleep on his own?08:37
Macerno. he will08:37
Maceri don't trust him when he wakes up ;)08:37
Macer3yr olds have a tendancy to do .... things08:37
Maceryou know.. when you wake up and find that somehow these "erasable crayons" don't really erase as well as they should from the wall08:38
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Macertransmission hardly uses the cpu08:39
johnxah, there's a fix for that08:39
Macerwhat's that? load 50 torrents?08:39
zakkmdid you hear about the transmission for mac bug?08:39
Macerno. never used it on a mac.. never used it at all really08:40
zakkmone version fo transmission a while back, started slowly crashing mac osx08:40
zakkmto the point it becomes unusable/ gotta reformat08:40
Maceronly reason i'm using it now is because it's the only thing opensolaris has08:40
Macerprobably a problem with hfs+08:40
Macerlike the smb/nfs forking of files08:40
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* zakkm doesnt use torrents, highly dangerous in his country08:40
johnxmy search for a torrent client goes like this: pick a torrent client: does it download torrents? if yes, exit $SUCCESS08:40
Macerthey need to fire the guy who didn't  notice that idiocy08:41
Maceryeah. that's why i used rtorrent forever08:41
johnxnever moved off of transmission08:41
johnxah, I did used to use rtorrent08:41
johnxworked really nicely08:41
zakkmmy search goes : pick a torrent client: does it download torrents? can it be skinned? if yes, exit :P08:41
johnxonce I put up a server again I'll probably start using it again08:41
Macersure did. especially when you learned how to move the complete files to another dir :)08:41
Macerlol.. that was kind of a pain when it couldn't do that.. but yeah it works great if you have a good config for it08:42
johnxrtorrent has the best skins08:42
Macerit has skins?08:42
Macerascii? :)08:42
zakkmyou can use "completed directory" as a network folder :)08:42
Macerzakkm: that's what i do08:42
Macerfor hellanzb and whatever torrent client08:42
johnxyup, just open the options for your terminal...08:42
zakkmi like mac terminal :D08:42
Maceri rarely use torrents08:42
Maceronly under dire circumstances08:43
Maceror for testing08:43
zakkmjohnx: do you use transmit for sending to nokia/sending from nokia.. sftp?08:43
zakkmive found it very helpful08:43
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johnxI use scp/sftp from the terminal08:44
johnxor rsync08:44
zakkmfrom terminal?08:44
zakkmdont like gui of transmit?08:44
johnxI guess I have cyberduck installed, but it usually takes more effort to use a GUI08:44
zakkmi click transmit on dock.. click nokia08:44
zakkmand then drag ?08:44
Macer mace$ sudo zpool list08:44
Macerno pools available08:44
johnxthe drag happens after you dig through your folders to find the right file though08:44
zakkmand how do you do it in terminal?08:45
johnxscp Downloads/Music/foo.mp3 john@tablet:08:45
zakkmMacer: you have to make a pool :P08:45
Maceri know :-P08:45
zakkmjohnx you go into downloads then music.. and type foo08:45
Macerareca                  6.2T   2.0T   4.2T    33%    /mnt/archive08:45
Macerareca/Downloads.Complete 6.2T    15G   4.2T     1%    /mnt/archive/Downloads.Complete08:45
zakkmand it will goto the file08:45
Macerthat's what i was trying to do heh08:45
zakkmjohnx: if your in a directory you can start typing and it will goto the file08:45
Macerodd the way it uses the filesystems under the main pool08:46
Macermoving stuff acts as 2 seperate filesystems tho :-\ that kind of sucks08:46
johnxzakkm, I know, but I have a terminal open more often than a finder window08:46
johnxand hands on the keyboard more often than hands on the mouse08:46
zakkmomg i want your harddrives Macer :D08:47
zakkmi just have a 640gb in my computer08:47
zakkmcant afford more ;p08:47
zakkmonly got 640gb cause it was $5 more than 500gig ;p08:47
johnxbiggest drive is 200GB, yet I have over 1TB of total storage08:48
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konttori__morning all!08:48
johnxer, scratch that, guess I have the 500GB one hooked in too08:48
Stskeepsmorning konttori__08:48
johnxmorning konttori :)08:49
zakkmkonttori: morning08:49
zakkmnow Stskeeps comes here to chat :P08:49
* konttori__ was yesterday making ukmp to be rotateable to portrait and landscape modes. pressing space rotates the entire UI now.08:49
zakkmkonttori: that leaves out the n800 ppl :)08:50
konttori__well, it can be some other button as well08:50
zakkmi dont know how to use that player ;p08:50
konttori__Hmm.. I need to backport the fremantle ukmp to the 'old' devices08:50
zakkmstarted using gpe audio player hah08:50
zakkmor my 256mb mp3 player soemtimes08:51
* konttori__ likes the streamtuner a lot as well as youamp. (in addition to the obvious canola2 and ukmp)08:52
johnxoff topic: any suggestions for a command line player (besides mplayer) that supports pulseaudio output?08:58
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zakkmjohnx: hows that off topic?09:02
zakkmtalking about music players here09:02
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johnxwell, it's not really a maemo question09:03
Stskeepsfremantle q maybe09:03
zakkmcant mpd do it?09:03
zakkmherrie can i think09:03
zakkmjohnx: Herrie now has native PulseAudio, Mac OS X, and ALSA audio output modules09:04
zakkmhow come theres no mpd for maemo?09:05
zakkmit cant find it09:05
johnxthanks. herrie looks useful for testing :)09:05
zakkmhow come i can get sonata, but no mpd :(09:05
qwerty12zakkm: There's an old version in garage. I built a kick ass version one (supported *every* format and VFP) but I lost the effin debs >.<)09:06
zakkmsupported every format09:06
zakkmi only use ogg / mp3 :P09:06
zakkmtheres not many popular ones ;p09:06
qwerty12Ah, but I was on an MPD high then :P09:06
zakkmmaemo garage one is from 2007 ;p09:07
zakkmwait wouldnt a normal arm one work?09:08
zakkmits not exactly a gui09:08
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zakkm would that work?09:08
qwerty12No, because they need to be built with ao support enabled and debian builds are not done with that last time I checked.09:08
zakkmah man :(09:09
zakkmi really should learn scratchbox and stuff09:09
zakkmis it hard?09:09
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johnxonly if you want to do things that are fun09:10
zakkmno just normal like mpd and such09:10
zakkmthings i want :)09:10
pupnik810i thought there was mpd on garage09:11
zakkmits from 200709:11
zakkmexample ;p09:11
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zakkmhow hard is it?09:12
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pupnik810i did it and am not really a coder09:12
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zakkmhow long it take?09:13
zakkmgood mac support ? :D09:13
pupnik810a couple weeks09:13
zakkmcouple of weeks to install?09:13
pupnik810to where i learned enough to start using it09:13
johnxno mac support09:14
zakkmno mac ? :O09:14
johnxit relies on lots of really linux-specific functionality09:14
zakkmjohnx: how do oyou do it then?09:14
johnxI use linux09:14
zakkmon a mac?09:14
johnxno, on linux09:14
zakkmi dont want to leave mac :(09:14
johnxI have a work macbook09:14
johnxand I have a home linux machine09:14
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zakkmi dont want to leave mac :(09:15
zakkmwould virtualbox do?09:15
johnxinstall vmware or virtual box or something09:15
zakkmi got the 2.2.4 :P09:15
zakkmwanted to test out compiz :D09:15
johnxjust grab the scratchbox sdk vmdk then09:15
zakkmtheres compiz support inside virtual machine :D09:15
zakkmis it up to date?09:15
ShadowJKthere's a scratchbox sdk vmdk? :)09:16
zakkm ?09:16
zakkmUnder OS X, for some reason, the network interfaces aren't configured as expected, so the interface can be either eth0, eth1, eth2, or eth3 in some cases. dhclient will catch them09:16
zakkmjohnx: which do i get?09:17
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zakkmis that right?09:17
johnxget the desktop one09:17
zakkmthat filesize is too big09:17
johnxgiven that you seem to enjoy the GUI, you want the desktop version09:17
zakkmim over my bandwidth and it charges $2 a gb for going over09:17
zakkmi hate ubuntu though09:18
zakkmand its in a virtual machine so i wont mind09:18
zakkmMaemo Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid Server (for Eclipse IDE and for other than Debian based Linux host PCs)09:18
zakkmis that what i want?09:18
johnxer, maybe?09:18
johnxI've never used it09:18
zakkmno like is that the proper thing for nokia making?09:19
zakkmi download that, and i can start?09:19
johnxyeah, I've never used the vmware image09:19
johnxI don't know09:19
johnxI'd give it a firm "probably" though09:19
zakkmokay getting it09:20
zakkmdone in 13 min :)09:20
zakkm378kb/s .. i got slow internet :D09:20
zakkmis there a crazy long scratchbox manual i can read?09:20
johnxoh, definitely09:20
johnxsearch for: maemo sdk documentation09:20
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zakkmits like add to /etc/rc.local.. does that mean i have to do that?09:21
zakkmor they did that09:21
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Macerhow do i chmod without touching dirs09:23
zakkmwithout changing timestamp?09:23
Macerwell.. actually what is a chmod tha will let me give owner rw access to files. group r to files.. and both rx to dirs?09:23
Macerthe directories confuse me09:23
Maceri want to change perms to a huge dir with a ton of files but don't know what number would make certain changes to dirs (make them x so they can be entered) without making files x09:24
zakkmyou can do like chmod -rw-rrr-rw-r FILE/directory09:24
zakkmor you can do numbers09:24
johnxchmod -R a+rX /foo && chmod -R o+w /foo09:24
zakkmlike chmod 755 ___09:24
zakkm777, 555, 57709:24
zakkmMacer: gives examples and tells you  ;p09:25
johnxif you want owner and group to have write09:25
zakkmchmod -R u+w,go-w docs/change the permissions of the directory docs and all its contents to add write access for the user, and deny write access for everybody else.09:25
Macerjohnx: i want owner to have write and group to have read09:25
johnxthe capital X is the magic you're looking for though09:25
ShadowJK"This image does not include Maemo SDK Development Environment"09:25
Macerit's the directories that screw me up :)09:25
Maceris it?09:25
zakkmShadowJK: is that from the vmdk?09:25
johnxthen, I think my first example is correct09:26
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Macerit only makes dirs +x?09:26
johnxit only makes things +x if they're +x for someone already09:26
ShadowJKzakkm, the readme file for the "tiny" vmdk download09:26
zakkmthats what i want though :(09:26
zakkmjohnx: you lied to me!? :D09:26
zakkmso how do i install sdk development environment then09:27
Macernormally i'd use gentoo to chmod the stuff but it doesn't seem to work very well for it in nexenta09:27
zakkmits the same chmod ...?09:27
zakkmShadowJK: dang, so how do i install the stuff then09:28
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Macer:) that's the one johnx .. let me give it a try09:28
johnxzakkm, I said probably when you twisted my arm09:28
zakkmhow do i install it then?09:28
zakkmim so close to finish downloading i might as well keep it09:28
johnxgoogle: install maemo sdk09:29
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johnxbut in the end you'll end up downloading as much or more then just grabbing the desktop version that's listed there09:29
Macerhope that worked09:29
Macerotherwise i'm in for a treat haha09:29
johnxheh, I need to start putting boilerplate disclaimers on my advice09:30
zakkmjohnx: really? :(09:30
zakkmthats a huge download09:30
Maceroops. always get user and others confused :) keep thinking the o is owner09:30
johnxthe maemo sdk is like ~500MB+09:30
Macermy son finally passed out09:30
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zakkmjohnx: thats still better than the other images ;p09:30
zakkmthe desktop one was like 1.8gb09:31
johnxMacer, heh. that's my fault. I did it backwards too09:31
konttori__is there already a fremantle vmware image?09:32
Macerheh.. no.. usually i wouldn't have noticed and done the same thing ;)09:32
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Maceri keep thinking "o" .. "owner"09:32
Maceri'm sure it's a common mistake :)09:33
Maceri need to make a new group for this. blah.. i'll do that tomorrow09:33
* Macer is going to start the archive group! woot!09:33
zakkmwooh its booting09:35
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zakkmdo i want eclipse-based ide?09:39
zakkmor nokia binaries?09:39
* johnx isn't making any more suggestions09:40
zakkmheh why not09:40
zakkmi was kidding :P09:40
zakkmkk its downloading :)09:40
johnxthen probably nokia binaries09:40
zakkmi chose diablo4.1.2 armel and i38609:40
johnxyou should only need eclipse if you're planning on doing a lot of coding09:40
zakkmnope :)09:40
zakkmjust porting ^^09:40
zakkmi cant code well09:41
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zakkmwell cant code in any maemo languages anyways09:41
johnxnot many languages that aren't available on maemo except for vb09:41
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zakkmheh or useful09:41
zakkmcan do object oriental turing :P lol09:42
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johnxoriental turing?09:42
johnxis that an asian language?09:43
zakkmlol its a begineer omne09:43
johnxobject oriented turing perhaps?09:43
zakkmah yes sorry09:43
johnxusually I'm not a spelling jerk, but it was just too perfect of a setup09:43
zakkmTuring is a developed in 1982 by and, then of, Turing is a descendant of, http://en.wik09:44
zakkmjohnx: im tired, its 2;44am here09:44
johnxno mean intent, I'm just a sucker for making crappy puns09:45
zakkmso you say maemo sdk is 500mb-ish?09:45
johnxprobably around that09:45
johnxgive or take ~100MB in either direction09:45
zakkmkk ill wait09:46
zakkmwondering if its worth waiting, or goto bed and leave it downloading09:46
zakkmheh think its about time i contributed some way09:46
johnxsounds good :)09:47
zakkm"installing tools environment etch-2008 (takes about 15min )09:49
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Macerhm. how does osx use nfs ?09:58
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zakkmin sharing :D09:58
Macernever mind :) i'll figure that crap out later... i'm going to sleep09:58
johnx'night Macer09:58
Macerwell. i guess zfs having different filesystems09:58
Macerone mounted within the directory of another09:59
Macerdoesn't allow for moving files correctly09:59
Macernot using smb at least09:59
Macerit will move up to 3G then give me some wierd error09:59
zakkmnight Macer :)09:59
Macergood night ;)09:59
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DHRI want to load Gnumeric on my 770 running OS2006.  It is the first item on this page:  But it doesn't work.10:32
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DHRI think that this is because no longer exists.10:32
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zakkmDHR: give me a sec10:33
DHRI can download gnumeric.install (from something in .it (don't remember)).  It refers to as a repo10:33
zakkmnobody really uses os2006 anymore10:34
DHRwell, what can I do with my 770 then?10:34
zakkmscirocco or mistral is it?10:35
DHRmistral, I think10:35
RST38hyou can install 2008HE10:35
zakkmDHR: mer runs quite well i believe, which would give you nice new programs and such10:35
zakkmor even 2007/2008he10:35
zakkmbut onesec10:35
DHRsorry, I'm a bit ignorant.  mer?10:35
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zakkmalternate distro.10:36
DHRI thought that 64M of RAM was unlikely to be comfortable with the distros aimed at n800 and later.  Am I wrong?10:36
zakkm2007he/2008he might not run as well10:37
zakkmbut even still, there are enough other boosts10:37
Stskeeps2007he runs better than mer on 770 atm10:37
zakkmthat it would more than balance out10:37
zakkmstskeeps: 2006 is mistral right?10:37
Stskeepsno clue10:37
Stskeepslook it up in /Codenames10:37
zakkmtrying to find gnumeric in the repository10:37
zakkmohh gregale10:38
DHRa lot of the repo lines in the application manager say mistral, so I thing that is it.10:38
zakkmits not in gregale extras :(10:38
zakkmStskeeps: think 2007he is better than 2006, on 770?10:39
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zakkmDHR: would you update? :)10:39
zakkmyour have to reflash :(10:39
zakkmcan backup first though10:39
DHRhmmm.  I'm thinking about it.  I don't rule it out.  Is 2007he still supported by the community?10:39
qwerty12EHLO RST38h10:40
zakkmDHR: nope, but its alot better than 200610:40
zakkmi personally love 2007he way more than 200810:40
DHRgnumeric.install contains the line: repo_deb = deb mistral user10:40
zakkmtrying to find you the deb file10:41
DHRHmm. the wayback machine has
zakkmcouldnt download it, it wouldnt save deb files ;p10:42
zakkmhow you still using 2006 ? :p10:42
DHRactually, picked the 770 up off the shelf after a couple of years.  Want to use it for a little database.  Gnumeric seems the best bet.10:43
RST38hGnumeric is no database10:43
zakkmyou used it years ago?10:43
DHRIs binary-arm or binary-armel likely to be the right directory10:43
zakkmgnumeric is spreadsheet10:43
zakkmwould have to be for maemo os2006 tho10:44
DHRspreadsheets kind of function like databases (crudely).  Somewhat better than, say, vim10:44
DHRwhat is armel.  ARM, I know.  What does the "el" signify?10:44
zakkmnot a clue :P10:45
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qwerty12little endian10:45
rmtDHR, Yes.10:45
zakkmDHR: you have gregale extras devel repo installed right?10:46
DHRnot that I know of.  What is it?  Another cache of goodies?10:46
zakkmmplayer, mirage, canola, kagu and such10:47
DHRall those are listed in maemo's download section (as is the gnumeric).  At the moment, I just want something to deal with a flat database.10:48
zakkmim tryign to find you it for os200610:48
DHRI actually have an n800 too, but I don't want to use this application.  (The user will be someone else, so I want them to use my spare 770.)10:49
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DHRBTW, thanks zakkm, rmt, Stskeeps, for the help!10:50
zakkmyour better off installing 2007he/ 2008he10:51
zakkmif its just for that app, the ram wont go over10:51
DHRahh. armel is a revised ABI that makes floating point faster, and a few other changes.
DHRone reason to stay with 2006 is that I (long ago) set up all the things that I wanted, like xterm, ssh, etc.  And then forgot what I did.  So I'd have to re-invent that.  Silly, I know.10:55
DHRIt seems to me that GPE has several database applications, all with fixed schema.  Is there no little tool for creating ad hoc single-table databases?10:57
RST38hYou really can no longer stay with 2006 if you want the latest apps10:57
luke-jrDHR: sqlite!10:57
zakkmtheres mysql in os2006..10:58
DHRI assumed that that was just a library.10:58
rmtDHR, sqlite is just a library .. reads/writes a local DB file10:58
DHRi.e. I'd have to write some kind of real program (GUI and all) to use it.10:59
luke-jrno, sqlite has a CLI app too10:59
luke-jrreal programs are CLI10:59
rmtSure, a CLI app using the library. ;)10:59
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rmtDHR, What do you want to do?10:59
DHRI'm all for CLI (I've been using UNIX since 1975), but the tablet makes that a touch unnatural/awkward.11:00
luke-jrDHR: not at all11:00
luke-jrI've been CLI-only on my tablet for abotu a month now11:00
zakkmunix was around in 1975?11:00
DHRThe application is cataloguing the outrageous number of books we have.11:00
zakkmyou had a compute rin 1975!?11:00
qwerty12luke-jr: you've got a keyboard ;)11:00
luke-jrqwerty12: doesn't everyone? ☺11:01
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DHRI have a bluetooth keyboard.  A little awkward, but it works.11:01
qwerty12luke-jr: if you're on a N800, it's a fun to use cli applications all the time w/out one :)11:01
luke-jrDHR: hack it on as a clamshell-style attachment11:01
luke-jrseriously, do it XD11:02
DHRUnix first got to this country (Canada) in 1974.  But I didn't use it seriously until January 1975.11:02
ShadowJKmy bluetooth keyboard is somewhat bigger than my N800 :)11:02
DHRwhat's XD?11:02
luke-jrDHR: fail11:02
ShadowJKDHR, X is what his eyes look like after he snarfed a line of pure caffeine up his nose, D is the grin on his face11:03
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zakkmim in canada :)11:03
qwerty12ShadowJK: this from experience? :)11:03
* zakkm was born in '91 ! :D11:03
DHRToronto is here too.11:03
ShadowJKqwerty12, indeed. On the fifth day I saw flying elephants11:03
zakkmyour in toronto?11:03
luke-jrwhat's with all the kids here anyhow?11:04
qwerty12zakkm: '92!11:04
RST38hShadow: Were they wearing gas masks?11:04
DHRI'm only 40 years older (hence my lack of memory)11:04
zakkmDHR: your in toronto?11:04
luke-jrqwerty12: wtf!11:04
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luke-jrDHR: we have at least one 16yo11:04
zakkmqwerty12: lies :P11:04
luke-jrb-man IIRC11:04
zakkmhave someone younger than that i think11:04
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luke-jrI forget how old xnt is11:05
luke-jr14 year olds shouldn't have handhelds -.-11:05
* zakkm wanted a 770 when he was 15, but couldnt afford it :(11:05
DHRI started using computers at about 14.  They filled rooms then.11:05
luke-jrzakkm: 770 was just too pathetic for me to consider11:06
luke-jrbut that was before I gave up on my Zaurus11:06
zakkmDHR: your in toronto?11:06
luke-jrzakkm: you're*11:06
zakkmyes that :D11:06
DHRzakkm: yes, Toronto.  Former North York.  And your area?11:06
zakkmdon miles and steeles :P11:07
DHRI'm at Yonge and York Mills.11:07
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zakkmwhat the, theres a new abiword ?11:07
luke-jrthere's an old abiword too11:07
luke-jrimagine that11:07
zakkm2.7.3 ?11:07
zakkm-.- qole repo wont refresh11:08
luke-jr     Available versions:  (2)  2.4.6 2.6.4 ~2.6.5 ~2.6.6 ~2.6.811:08
zakkm2.73 is out11:08
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luke-jrI don't even have it installed.11:08
RST38hqwerty: ;)11:08
DHRzakkm: do you ever go to, say, TLUG meetings?11:08
zakkmnot at all, would like to start though11:09
zakkmwould you be able to help?11:09
qwerty12RST38h: Hmm? Mikkov has already ported Fish Fillets11:09
zakkmi was told to checkout the linux cafe downtown-ish but never did :P11:09
DHRyou just go.  Next one is tomorrow (Tuesday), I think.11:09
zakkmdang really?11:09
zakkmwhere? are you attending?11:09
zakkmill show you gnumeric for real :P11:10
zakkmare you attending?11:10
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zakkmst george is far?11:10
DHRI usually go.  Including the dinner ahead of time.  But I can't tell for sure.11:10
zakkmBeginning GIMP <-- does that mean they teach you?11:11
zakkmlike how to use it?11:11
DHRThat's the idea.  Whether it works out depends on the speaker and the audience.11:11
zakkmthat'd be sick :P11:11
zakkmcan just go?11:11
zakkm7;30 is late to be down there11:11
DHRcertainly.  I've been just going for perhaps 15 years.11:11
zakkmwould you go, if i were to go?11:12
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luke-jrI wouldn't.11:12
luke-jrdon't want to breathe the same air as zakkm!11:12
DHRI can't tell: I've got to negotiate with my family.11:12
zakkmgosh man! :P11:12
zakkmso cruel luke-jr11:12
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luke-jrzakkm: sarcasm :þ11:12
DHRzakkm is unlikely to be more than a standard deviation odder than the other TLUG memebers :-)11:12
zakkmnah i hate going to random like computer stuff places/events and not know anybody at all11:12
zakkmyeah sure we just met but yeah11:13
luke-jrzakkm: come to the next OLUG meeting!11:13
DHRTLUG alway welcomes new folks.11:13
luke-jrOLUG > TLUG11:13
zakkmwheres that11:13
luke-jrOmaha LUG11:13
luke-jrOmaha, NE11:13
luke-jrwe're in the middle of finding a building for our new datacenter11:13
luke-jrcmon, how many LUGs operate a datacenter? ;)11:14
zakkmDHR: what ttc station is that?11:14
DHRzakkm: what's wrong with 19:30 on U of T campus?11:14
zakkmst .george station?11:14
zakkmDHR: for one my age, two.. the area11:14
zakkmwait there is no station.. thats st.andrews11:14
zakkmDHR: what subway station is it11:15
zakkmohh theres st george11:15
DHRThere is a St. George station, but Queen's Park is closer11:15
zakkmthat will take me like 45min-ish11:15
zakkmwell bus + subway ;p11:15
zakkmDHR: you think they would let me sit and watch? :D11:16
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DHRToronto isn't really dangerous (in my opinion).  Certainly not the U of T campus.11:16
zakkmyeah but coming home at night, ahh itd be okay i think i hope lol11:16
Macerin memory of david... i am watching kung fu the legend continues11:16
DHReveryone is welcome at TLUG meetings.11:16
zakkmthat does sound good11:16
zakkmi been meaning to join some linux group11:16
Macerzakkm: don't do it!11:17
zakkmlol why11:17
zakkmi want to learn gimp :(11:17
Macerit will be the end of you11:17
zakkmWe'll cover basic photo editing, including opening, cropping, resizing, and colour and contrast corrections. If there's time and interest we can take a short look at creating original images.11:17
zakkmi want to learn :( i suck at gimp11:17
zakkmand photoshop11:17
zakkmi can do blender quite well oddly -.-11:17
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zakkmDHR: that sounds fun :D11:18
DHRIt is possible to join TLUG (actually called GTALUG), but I never have.  And I've been going for a long time.11:18
zakkmwhat happens if you join11:18
zakkmive never been to anything really tech related.. even school ive avoided computer clubs11:18
qwerty12They take your organs and donate them to Linux kernel devs so that they can sell them for $.11:19
zakkmi gone to one microsoft technet event11:19
zakkmbut thats all11:19
DHRDinner ahead is fun too.  Cost is about $10 including tip.  Pho is inexpensive.11:19
zakkmid pay $10 :D11:19
zakkmis it like pre paid ?11:19
DHRIf you join, you get to vote for the executive.11:19
* thux irritated cause symbian named pictures had to be renamed by maemo11:19
lbtyell if you need Gimp help... I use it a lot :)11:19
Maceryou mean you go to like... meetings?11:19
zakkmthat would be weird though cause i wouldnt know them at all, i think first time meeting / presentation would be best11:19
zakkmlbt: yeahh but this is like in person / presentation :P11:20
DHReveryone at the restaurant pays for what they eat, but the bills are per table, so arithmetic ensues.11:20
lbtsure... just FYI :)11:20
zakkmDHR: yaeh but it would be weird for me to sit with ppl i dont know :(11:20
zakkmit would be nice to hear the chatting though i think11:20
zakkmbut it would be weird, cause i wouldnt know anyone at all at first, just be like hi :) im zak saw it online lol11:21
Stskeepszakkm: meh, thats why booze was invented11:21
zakkmStskeeps: im underage by about 9months?11:21
zakkmthe legal age is 19 here11:21
DHRI do it all the time.  Like when I go to conferences.  Usually, it's fine.11:21
Stskeepsand casual smoking11:21
zakkmDHR: i think it would be fine for meeting/presentation.. not so much a dinner11:21
Stskeepsand its easier to get along with similar peers11:21
DHRThe bar after the meeting is out for you then.  After the meeting, most go the the Grad Student's bar.11:22
zakkmcomplete strangers though? that are considerably older than me11:22
MacerStskeeps: there's always heroin11:22
zakkmyeah ive read that11:22
zakkmcould get drunk then go.. but that wont make a good first impression11:22
Macerzakkm: sounds like nambla11:22
zakkmStskeeps: i could promote mer there tomorrow eh? :D11:22
DHRIf you listen and laugh at peoples jokes, they'll love you.11:22
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zakkmDHR: shy 18 year old11:23
Macerfear is the mind killer.. ok. back to kung fu11:23
zakkmDHR: you own a n810?11:24
DHRThere's no test to be there.  No qualifications.  No fees.11:24
zakkmgosh i want to use a n810, ive never seen one in person11:24
DHRzakkm: no, n800.11:24
DHRzakkm: what do you have?11:24
* RST38h does not quite understand what problem zakkm is having with strangers11:24
zakkmDHR: if you go, ill show you mer and nice n800 "cracking" ? :D11:24
zakkmRST38h: its not strangers, im just generally shy11:24
zakkmeven around friends/ppl i know11:25
Stskeepszakkm: so was i once11:25
zakkmthanks for the encouragement :)11:25
RST38hzakkm: they ain't gonna eat you, so just go and observe11:25
zakkmi am i am :p11:25
DHRwell, it's up to you.  I'm just saying that you'd be welcom.11:25
zakkmbut i think the dinner part at start would be weird11:25
Stskeepsunless you go to cannibal lug11:25
zakkmthough for $10.. i would eat dinner lol11:25
RST38hyou suspect them to serve penguin meat? =)11:26
zakkmDHR: you should go that way i could find you and you could help hah :)11:26
zakkmnoo it would just be weird, like everyone eating and knowing eachother and stuff and me just going and sitting down hi im zakk :P11:26
DHR is a brief description of the restaurant (there may well be better ones -- this is the first google found)11:27
Macerthe show the universe seems always bent on showing moments where whatever they are talking about will end the earth11:27
zakkmahh i love toronto.com11:27
zakkmDinner Price Range: $50 - $75 ???11:27
DHRthat's just stupid.11:27
zakkmBest deals: beef noodle soups ($4.25-$5), or vermicelli dishes with grilled meat and spring rolls ($5). For a special treat, sample the filtered coffee with condensed milk on ice ($2.50)11:27
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zakkmah maybe i should go11:28
DHRI eat pho with rare beef and it is perhaps $7, plus tax and tip, so under $10.11:28
zakkmDHR: do they have like a table or something there, like they reserve a huge table?11:28
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RST38hMacer: just read scp, faster, no ads, less banality =)11:28
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zakkmanyone know why qole repo wont refresh?11:29
DHRwell, there's the slightly tricky part.  The people just meet up and fill tables that get jammed together.  Normally in the south west corner.  So you look for a largish group and ask if they are TLUGgers.  I've never noticed other large groups.11:29
zakkmhah awesome11:30
zakkmthink i should go for that then?11:30
zakkmnot exactly rich but for $10+$3 (bus fair there and back ) its worth going i think11:31
zakkmohh qole changed his repository11:31
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zakkmi meant socially/ meeting them11:32
zakkmwait would i be the youngest?11:32
DHRzakkm: if you aren't willing to eat Vietnamese food, that would be a problem.  Do you know Vietnamese food?11:32
zakkmhow many people is there11:32
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zakkmnot at all, worth trying though ;p i do like strange food11:32
zakkmi lovee asian food :P11:32
zakkmand it seems very close ;p11:32
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zakkmwooh time to update Tearrr :)11:32
zakkmand libwebkit11:33
DHRThe youngest is usually a high school student in about grade 12.  But most are older.11:33
zakkmim in grade 12 :P11:33
zakkm18  / gr1211:33
zakkmwell for another 3 weeks - ish ;p11:33
zakkmschool is ending ;p11:33
zakkmawesome :D11:34
aquatixzakkm: there's a Tear update?11:34
zakkmyeahh cookie fix and all11:34
zakkmapparently huge ass speed boost11:34
zakkmim late getting it mind you11:34
zakkmjohnx said its really big performance boost11:34
zakkmmaybe a week or two old?11:35
zakkm0.3.1-2 ?11:35
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aquatixhave had it for a while :)11:35
zakkm-2 though ;p11:35
aquatixit's damn nice11:35
zakkmnot just 0.3.111:35
aquatixhm, dpkg -l says just 0.3.1 :/11:35
zakkmwhats webkit version?11:36
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aquatixthat's from right?11:36
zakkmyeah okay im behind11:36
RST38hshit, left tablet at home11:36
zakkmi didnt realized he changed from to qole.org11:37
aquatixlibwebkit-1.0-1 1.0-svn41137-911:37
zakkmso it never refreshed, of course.. so i didnt get it11:37
aquatixheh, yeah11:37
DHRAnother interesting Toronto thing, today:  but that is in a bar.11:37
RST38hSo, IS there new Tear update or ISN'T?11:37
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zakkmjust installed ;p11:37
aquatixzakkm: took me a week too11:37
aquatixRST38h: not really11:37
RST38hih ok11:37
zakkmDHR: that costs money..11:37
aquatixit was basically the same as on i think, maybe a rebuild11:38
zakkmi dont have money :D11:38
zakkmhe just changed hosts i think11:38
aquatixzakkm: you linux hippie! oh wait11:38
zakkmmaemobox shut down11:38
zakkmso i guess he moved it to his domain11:38
zakkmhippie, im the youngest here11:38
aquatixso? ;)11:38
zakkmi lack linux skills out of all of everyone here11:39
DHRI hadn't seen that it cost money.  Darn.11:39
zakkmokay so im taking my n800 :) of course11:39
RST38hI think there has been someone younger than 18 here11:39
DHRbut they are streaming it.11:39
zakkmcant read with liqbase11:39
zakkmdamn OCD :P11:39
zakkmRST38h: not currently?11:39
zakkmstreaming it?11:40
RST38hwell not at this precise moment maybe, but in general11:40
zakkmoh yeah of course11:40
DHR"available through live video streaming to a national audience on:,, TheTyee, Beyond Robson, p2pnet, StraightGoods, Michael Geist,"11:40
zakkmwow tear seems faster11:40
aquatixzakkm: what version did you have before? also 0.3.1?11:41
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zakkmyeah just the non cookie fix one11:41
zakkmand older webkit11:41
zakkmthough i use webkit nightly on my mac+ safari 4.. and i dont see it getting any faster? ;p11:41
DHRzakkm: copyright (and other "intellectual property" law) is a battleground in Canada.  We're likely going to get a version of the DMCA this year.  Yuck.11:41
aquatixzakkm: maybe improvements are too gradual to notice when using nightlies11:42
* RST38h tried the latest MediaBox BTW. Even more confusing than before =(11:43
* DHR goes to be11:43
* DHR goes to bed11:43
zakkmRST38h: they did the update weird11:43
zakkmi had to uninstall then install, it wouldnt update11:43
RST38hWell it updated for me (probably fixed that deb) but the UI is both confusing and buggy11:43
DHRthanks for help, folks11:44
aquatixDHR: nn11:44
zakkmDHR: ill help you tomorrow if your going :D11:44
RST38hMy guess is that pycage no longer understands his own UI, from the feel of it =)11:44
zakkmiill show you mer too11:44
zakkmmediabox is a strange ui11:44
* aquatix likes the default mediaplayer and canola2 best11:45
* zakkm uses mplayer + gpe audio player11:45
zakkmsweet TLUG or something11:46
aquatixyeah, mplayer for video here too11:46
zakkmaquatix: gmplayer or canola + mplayer ?11:47
zakkmahh gmlauncher11:47
aquatixzakkm: just mplayer :)11:48
aquatixit shows a list of movies and plays the one i start11:48
aquatixthat's all i need11:48
aquatixah yes, gmlauncher11:48
aquatixgmplauncher even11:49
zakkmyeah theres so many names :(11:49
* RST38h only uses mplayer for video now, the other players lag11:49
aquatixRST38h: yeah, same here11:49
* zakkm has all Jake and Amir + CH original eps on his nokia11:50
RST38hIf only mplayer guys made some marginally better UI...11:50
zakkmyou press menu key :D11:50
zakkmwhile vid is playing11:50
zakkmmplayer is for a backend :P its not vlc :P11:50
zakkmgnome-mplayer is real nice :D11:50
aquatixyeah, i use gmplayer on my pc's quite a bit11:51
aquatixah no, that's not gnome-mplayer11:51
zakkmgmplyaer = mplayer official11:51
aquatixi like gmplayer better11:51
zakkmgnome-mplayer is something else11:51
lcukzakkm, what cant u read with lb11:51
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zakkmvery simple, like dragon player11:51
zakkmlcuk: i meant, i cant read anything without reading it in liqbase..11:52
zakkmlcuk: i cant read textbooks anymore/novels... it doesnt comapre to liqbase reading11:52
lcukheh ahh11:52
zakkmi have 7 textbooks out fro mthe public library, and i havent really opened it11:52
aquatixzakkm: hm, that kid looks kinda creepy11:52
zakkmbeen trying to find pdf versions so i can convert to txt11:52
lcukwell the book reader will be getting special consideration :)11:53
zakkmaquatix: its probably a horror movie..11:53
zakkmlcuk: did you read above?11:53
zakkmill show out liqbase at the TLUG or w.e tomorrow :)11:53
zakkmto some ppl11:53
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zakkmgosh the conversation died11:55
aquatixzakkm: hm, looks like the Golden Compass btw (that screenshot)11:56
zakkmoh it iss :P11:56
zakkmthe subtitles11:56
zakkmthats awesome11:56
zakkmah i should think about sleep soon11:56
zakkmits 5 min to 5am :P11:57
lcukoooh zakkm, no i didnt read, i had just slid past and noticed i was flashing11:58
zakkmlcuk: this guy, DHR, turns out he lives about 10-15min-ish from me, and he belongs to the toronto linux group11:58
lcukwell if you look carefully enough around the autobuilders (fremantle for now) you might find the 2 packages for liqbase ;)11:58
zakkmand told me the next meeting is tomorrow, so im going to go tomorrow :D11:58
lcukthey need compilingfrom source for diablo but i believe everything should work11:59
zakkmgimp presentation +food at resturant beeforehand11:59
lcuktho i havent checked yet ..11:59
aquatixzakkm: interesting, gmplayer is faster than gnome-mplayer11:59
zakkmaquatix: gmplayer isnt even gtk is it?11:59
aquatixgnome-mplayer lags on this older laptop11:59
aquatixzakkm: half11:59
lcukyou arent the youngest - qwerty and bman and a few others11:59
zakkmits qt i thought11:59
aquatixzakkm: it has gtk menus11:59
aquatixzakkm: could be12:00
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zakkmaquatix: anyways, for tablet it would matter, i use hot spot desktops hah overclock too12:00
zakkmcare more about UI/look than speed12:00
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aquatixyeah, same here12:01
aquatixbut in this case it matters :)12:01
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zakkmyeah yeah12:01
aquatixas gmplayer plays this 720p movie fine on this machine, while gnome-mplayer stutters12:01
zakkmwell gmplauncher for tablet is best12:01
zakkmyou can do menu and mess with stuff there12:01
zakkmon tablet12:01
zakkmwell even better, mplayer doesnt require X12:01
zakkmso kill X.. and run mplayer :D12:01
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zakkmi dunno how it works without X, but apparently it does12:02
zakkmand that would make it even smoother12:02
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aquatixzakkm: framebuffer stuff12:07
zakkmsounds awesome12:08
zakkmi really should get sleep if im going to attend TLUG :P12:08
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aquatixzakkm: nn :)12:09
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zakkmgoing to email the guy first12:10
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zakkmawesome :)12:12
zakkmnever been to a linux thingy before12:12
zakkmprobably get myself in fights12:12
aquatixwell, i have to admit i've never been to a LUG myself12:12
aquatixi *have* been to several UUG's12:13
zakkmkde is bloated... SOOO :p12:13
aquatix`whatever works for you dude. here, have a soda'12:13
zakkmwhats a uug?12:13
aquatixunix user group :)12:13
zakkmwhats the difference?12:13
aquatixunix != linux :)12:13
zakkmi mean unix and linux sort of are, but the groups themselves?12:13
zakkmits still tech ppl doing stuff.. coders and all12:14
aquatixwell, this group is older than linux12:14
zakkmjust talking about different stuff a bit12:14
aquatixit's more broad12:14
zakkmyeah that too12:14
zakkmit cant differ that much12:14
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aquatixit includes all things unix, like solaris, linux, *bsd and such12:14
aquatixor just the infrastructure, like C, tcp/ip stacks12:14
zakkmyeah but its still a group of ppl that meet every so often, maybe a presentation here and there12:14
aquatixjust a slightly different point of view12:15
aquatixnot that it matters much12:15
zakkmgoing to be nice i think.. gimp learning :D12:15
zakkmwant to go for the food though too12:16
* aquatix has been thinking about setting up a LUG himself a while ago12:16
zakkmi dont get this :P12:16
zakkmWe'll cover basic photo editing, including opening12:16
X-FadeHeh, so GeneralAntilles did some debunking at Engadged ;)12:16
zakkmopening... file - open?12:16
aquatixX-Fade: ah?12:16
zakkmthe rest makes sense.. cropping, resizsing and all12:16
zakkmbut including opening..12:16
aquatixzakkm: i hope it's more advanced than that ;)12:16
zakkmits cool though cause when i wake up, the wwdc news will be on the net :p12:17
zakkmit si, its just the start of the sentence12:17
zakkmjust reading it i find it funny12:17
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zakkmah it starts in like 13 hours12:18
zakkmand i want to show mer to some people :) and DHR if hes going12:18
zakkmOS2006 -.-12:18
zakkmthats so bad12:18
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aquatixwhat's with OS2006?12:19
zakkmits old and ugly :)12:19
zakkmos2007 is awesome thoguh12:20
zakkmbetter than diablo12:20
aquatixhm, i like os2008/diablo better12:20
aquatixexcept for microb12:20
aquatixbut i have tear now anyway12:20
zakkmtear is awesome12:20
aquatixand have been using claws-mail for ages12:20
zakkmis that good12:20
zakkmi use the builtin one12:20
aquatixmodest chokes on my imap account :)12:21
aquatixtakes almost a minute to load12:21
aquatixand i have issues with it not always marking mail as read on the server12:21
aquatixit seems to cache those writes till the session ends12:21
zakkmahh i should get apple mail to do that12:21
aquatixbut that's mostly when i disconnect wifi, and then it's too late12:21
aquatixso now i have claws-mail on workstation, laptops and tablet12:22
aquatixsuits me fine :)12:22
zakkmfaster than modest?12:22
aquatixit is for me12:23
aquatixmodest is slightly more finger friendly though12:23
zakkmheh maybe i should try it out then12:23
aquatixyeah, trying out is the best way12:23
zakkmdont email that much mind you12:23
* aquatix lives on email, basically12:23
zakkmwell i mean i do, but not from tablet ;p12:23
aquatixnot that i send much from my tablet12:23
zakkmlike it can wiat till i get on pc12:23
aquatixi like reading mailing lists on it12:24
zakkmi use my cellphone for txt msging alot too12:24
zakkmi got unlimited worldwide messaging12:24
aquatixmyeah, i send like 12 sms message a year12:24
zakkmyeah but i got it UNLIMITED and worldwide :D12:24
zakkmand im a teen :D12:24
aquatixheheh, yeah :)12:24
zakkmin highschool, text msging is important12:24
aquatixbut even as a teenager i didn't text that often12:24
zakkmi send like 500-ish a month12:24
aquatixbut that's been a while ;)12:24
zakkmalso i text my online buddies sometimes12:25
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aquatixi generally text when it's important and i'm on the road or something, or that person is on the road12:25
zakkmhow old are you?12:25
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aquatixthat's rude ;)12:25
* aquatix is 2712:25
lcuktxting your mate next to you asking if you can borrow a pen is a really wise use of your texting allowance :p12:25
zakkmthats rude? you gotta be old then :P12:25
lcukkids today ;)12:25
aquatixzakkm: :P12:26
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aquatixlcuk: ghehehe12:26
zakkmlcuk: hah one time when i first got it, my friend and i were sitting side by side outside his house at night12:26
zakkmand we were txting back and forth12:26
zakkmhe had iphone though :(12:26
zakkmso he could do it quicker12:26
lcukpoor him12:26
aquatixlcuk: otoh, i've IM'ed my girlfriend on the other couch in the living room to ask her something12:26
zakkmgot a crappy old phone12:26
lcukyou younguns always finish early12:26
aquatixi have a physical qwerty kb on my phone12:26
zakkmfinish what early?12:26
lcukeverything its rush rush rush12:27
zakkmits 5;27am and i havent gone to bed yet12:27
lcukaquatix i used to sit with gf in same room12:27
aquatixlcuk: rush rush, than relax doing fun stuff ;)12:27
* lcuk goes again12:27
aquatixlcuk: ciao :)12:27
zakkmlcuk: :(12:27
zakkmaquatix: is it just me or do you not chat here often? i hardly see you12:28
* aquatix idly wonders why opera 10 beta doesn't want to use proper hinting (it's compiled with qt3)12:28
aquatixzakkm: depends12:28
aquatixi'm quite busy12:28
zakkmeww theres a qt4 port isnt there?12:28
zakkmnot port, like official12:28
aquatixwell, not atm12:28
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aquatixthe beta only comes in qt312:28
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aquatixnot that qt4 helps that much, i'm using a gtk based DE12:29
zakkmyeah theres qt4 opera :P12:29
aquatixwell, i've researched yesterday, and the last qt4 opera was the alpha from december12:29
zakkmi use safari 4 :D12:29
aquatixgenerally i use midori or firefox 3.x12:29
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zakkmopera beta 10 looks amazing12:30
aquatixyeah, that link of yours is the alpha from december12:30
* zakkm cant stand linux except on tablet12:30
aquatixyep, the new skin is awesome12:30
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aquatixhey wazd12:30
* aquatix rather likes linux on desktop and server12:30
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wazdaquatix: heya12:30
wazdhello everybody12:31
zakkmhey wazd12:31
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aquatixX-Fade: ah, you where talking about ?12:35
zakkmaquatix: that UI on it is sick hah12:36
zakkmit looks like a more graphical /higher-res maemo12:36
zakkmbut same UI / size / place of things12:36
zakkmlike different icons + animated12:36
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aquatixhm, that movie is from the n97?12:37
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* aquatix plays12:37
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wazdtag&share, point&shoot, drink&eat :)12:39
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aquatixheh, great movie btw12:41
aquatixa student project no less12:41
zakkmthat looks nice though :D12:42
zakkmwazd: what?12:42
Stskeepslooks like a crap n900 though12:42
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* Stskeeps doesnt like the design :P12:42
zakkmnooo onscreen design12:42
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zakkmnot the form factor12:42
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wazdzakkm: well, that movie is full of marketing slogans like "something&something" :)12:42
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zakkmdidnt watch movie.. just the picture12:43
RST38hheya wazd12:43
wazdRST38h: hola12:44
RST38hbait&switch? =)12:45
zakkmRST38h: decided im going to go.12:45
RST38hzakkm: ok, if you do not come back here we will assume they ate you for that dinner12:45
zakkmhah its downtown, late at night12:46
zakkmmore scared getting mugged than eaten12:46
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aquatixtime for lunch12:47
aquatixzakkm: get some sleep ;)12:47
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zakkmits only almost 6am :P12:48
zakkmchatting with a schoolmate on msn12:48
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VDVsxthe next maemo device will be the "Ultimate Nseries Devices" , wow :)12:50
keesjVDVsx: url?12:50
VDVsx"Another speaker confirmation for Maemo Summit 2009: Juha-Pekka Sipponen, Director, Nokia, Product Management - Ultimate Nseries Devices"12:50
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RST38hSipponen has been known to make wide off-the-wall statements12:51
RST38hBesides, it is not high level unless it has dpad (i.e. allows playing NGage games)12:51
zakkmhey is there any progress going for opengl support?12:51
zakkmi remember someone was going to ask at danishweekend i think12:51
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zakkmthink it was opengl, or just 3d?12:51
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RST38hNone for OMAP2 (but check with lardman)12:52
lbtzakkm: opengl on n8x0 or new machine?12:52
lbtNokia are talking to TI12:52
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zakkmahh okay :)12:52
zakkmstill happening then12:52
lbtand there are positive signs12:53
zakkmawesome :)12:53
lbtthere is a good chance of a driver.... but12:53
zakkmi cant afford n900 to be honest12:53
lbtthat's not the same as a library12:53
zakkmor n810 for that matter12:53
lbtI think it may be an idea to contact some of the Xorg guys at some point12:53
* VDVsx starting to think that the next maemo device will only be released/shown at the summit :(12:54
zakkmfor a driver?12:54
zakkmwell yeahh ;p12:54
* RST38h wonders what will happen if the N900 will NOT have voice calling12:55
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lbtVDVsx: I can't see them releasing it after... but maybe before12:55
lbtzakkm: yes; there are some 'flakey' drivers that are not OSS (yet)12:55
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lbtanyhow, there is progress (I wish I'd made better notes)12:56
ShadowJKI imagine any existing drivers even if released would probably have some significant limitations :/12:56
zakkmi wonder if some at tlug might have a idea?12:56
qwerty12ShadowJK: Considering that the N8X0 can't even play video awesomely... :)12:57
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lbtShadowJK: yes; I doubt you'd get top-end 3D :)12:57
ShadowJKconsidering the single-context limitations in "N900" :)12:58
RST38hWell, this is something Nokia has to fix in their software12:58
lbtbut I don't know the architecture enough to know where the hw bw constraints are12:58
zakkmqwerty12: ??? videos plays well :D12:58
ShadowJKRST38h, I thought it was TI limitation :)12:58
RST38hIf I undertsand correctly, there is no "full screen mode" in Fremantle12:58
zakkmmplayer plays my "legit" 350mb xvid :D12:58
RST38hShadow: no12:58
qwerty12zakkm: after converting, and if you do get a 700MB XVID that does play, be prepared for some serious lag during some serious action scenes12:59
lbtRST38h: I think it's more that there's no 'indowed mode12:59
RST38hShadow: The widely accepted way to do this (Linux, Windows) is to give programmers a full screen mode where they get complete control of the hardware12:59
RST38hShadow: You can refer to Linux consoles (as used by SDL) and Windows DrectDraw/Direct3D APIs12:59
zakkmqwerty12: i do, but then again i dont watch action movies, only dramas, so theres not exactly intense frame changing12:59
lbtRST38h: did you see the mailing list thread?12:59
ShadowJKI never run anything fullscreen, 3D or not12:59
RST38hlbt: Yes, but I did not follow it to the end12:59
ShadowJKif an app on desktop refuses to run windowed, I uninstall it immediately13:00
lbtessentially they would like to hand over the fullscreen context13:00
RST38hShadow: Well, here you have got hardware that just can't be shared13:00
zakkmShadowJK: harsh.. thats leaving out liqbase....13:00
ShadowJKanyway.. there's no 3D on linux console :-)13:00
ShadowJKzakkm, I did specify desktop :-)13:00
RST38hShadow: So, the way around it is to have two clear points where its context is saved and restored13:00
RST38hShadow: That is Enter/exit full screen mode13:00
RST38hlbt: So they basically decided to follow the route I have just described?13:01
RST38hShadow: In fact, our current Diablo-running N8x0s have the same problem, to a lesser degree13:01
RST38hShadow: Hardware scaler is not being shared properly so the only way to use it well is from full screen mode (and mail notifications still screw it)13:02
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lbtRST38h: yeah.... kinda.13:03
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ShadowJKthe single hardware scale limitation exists on desktop too though..13:05
ShadowJKunless you have high-end hardware13:05
ShadowJKor recent hardware, I guess13:05
lbtnot so sure...13:06
lbtvideo scaling?13:06
ShadowJKand colourspace conversion13:07
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lbtsorry... took me a while :
lbtlots of chat including about how some of this is being 'emulated' now13:11
lbtso video is closer to rapidly updated textures on a 3D surface13:12
lbtand various comments on colour conversion too13:12
lbtjust FYI and interesting :)13:12
ShadowJKWell that's feasible with current hardware, but hardware didn't use to be able to do fullscreen video through the 3D engine13:13
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lbtsure... depends on your definition of current :)  I'm using 'old' ATI radeon R500 HW with fully OSS drivers13:14
ShadowJKwell with sensible CPU use :)13:15
ShadowJKit does add much in terms of memory bandwidth requirements and blows CPU caches away :)13:16
ShadowJKbut if your system is some gigahertz monster in the first place it probably doesn't matter anymore13:16
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Stskeepsjeremiah_torp: poke13:34
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ssvbRST38h: you can just use Xv to get access to the hardware scaler, it's properly shared this way13:38
RST38hssvb: Ah...But not /dev/fb0?13:41
RST38hBecause I can't use current Xv, it does not provide an RGB layer13:41
ssvbRST38h: it does provide rgb layer13:41
ssvbRST38h: try to run xvinfo13:41
RST38hssvb: Not according to lcuk and change logs13:41
ssvbRST38h: lcuk just does not want to use rgb, because his engine is heavily yuv based13:42
RST38hssvb: the way I understood it, he was forced to use yuv13:42
StskeepsRST38h: new xomap has rgb13:42
RST38hWill catch him and interrogate13:42
ssvbRST38h: not really13:42
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* Stskeeps would count ssvb an authority in this area personally13:43
RST38hSts: What about the one in Diablo?13:43
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RST38hssvb: Weird...13:43
StskeepsRST38h: i think latest update had rgb565 or something13:44
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RST38hSo if I drop Chinook users I can theoretically use Xv???13:45
lbtI thought lcuk used yuv because it offered a smaller colourspace and therefore gave higher framerates?13:45
RST38hlbt: same colorspace afaik13:45
RST38hactually, yuv is way harder to work with because components are stored in different buffers13:46
lbtI wasn't into the details. I just ST recall that a frame of data had ~ 2/3 the size in his implementation. Which is why it refreshes smoothly.13:47
RST38hI guess if one of yuv components is defined for two adjacent pixels then it would take 2/3 of the size13:49
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ssvblbt: indeed, YUV uses 12 bits per pixel and requires less data to be transferred13:49
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ssvblbt: but the device is capable of showing tearfree animation even with 800x480 rgb screen updates13:50
lbtssvb the N800 ?13:51
* RST38h does not see the blitter speed as the main problem on n8x013:51
RST38hDunno why people are so obsessed with it13:51
ssvblbt: yes, the only requirement is that the device must run at 400MHz to achieve this13:51
lbtI'm trying to get nice page sized scrolling in Qt13:52
lbtah, ssvb.. OK13:52
RST38hssvb: Have you just updated Mplayer? I have not seen it in the app manager updates yesterday13:52
* lbt considers switching the CPU speed as scrolling starts...13:52
ssvblbt: maybe a kernel patch can help to make graphics faster, a hook to DVFS to switch to OP0 when the screen update starts could help13:53
lbtshouldn't the governor handle that?13:53
aquatixTear seems to use quite a bit of cpu while scrolling13:54
ssvblbt: governor only cares about cpu load unfortunately, and if cpu load is low, it will switch to lower clock frequency13:54
qwerty12ssvb: OP0 is the one that sets CPU to 400 while giving DSP a lower clock speed?13:54
ssvbqwerty12: yes13:55
qwerty12Aha, thanks13:55
lbtI guess if it restores OP013:55
lbtI wonder what that'll do for power usage13:55
lbtdoes screen update happen when the screen isn't changed?13:56
lbtie "refresh" ?13:56
lbtnot sure if the HW is different in this respect13:56
RST38hlbt: In N8x0 screen updates should be done explicitely13:57
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RST38hlbt: Same in a lot of Nokia phones13:57
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RST38hlbt: basically your "screen buffer" is just an area of SDRAM. To make it seen on the screen, you use the blizzard blitter13:57
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RST38hIn N900 you can expect a real screen buffer with DMA running 100% of the time13:58
lbtOK ta13:58
jegpwhere can I read about the N900?13:58
lbtjegp: maemo SDK13:59
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ssvblbt: it may be tricky to get tearfree scrolling in Qt, omapfb screen update ioctl must explicitly have flag to wait for VSYNC14:01
ssvblbt: it is used in Xv, or if you use omapfb ioctl calls directly, but not anywhere else14:02
lbtis this done in gtk?14:02
ssvblbt: no14:02
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lbtwould it be reasonable for the Qt painter to take a HILDON hook to do this?14:02
lbtor just wait for Vsync?14:03
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RST38hlbt: Somebody knowledgeable mentioned that to be useless on Maemo14:05
ssvblbt: this all can be a bit tricky, waiting for VSYNC limits the number of screen updates (you can't have more screen updates than LCD refresh rate), and if you have a lot of small drawing operations done, it may be a problem14:06
lbtI *think* Qt allows consolidated refresh14:06
lbtbut maybe not in the renderer used on Diablo14:06
RST38hlbt: the only question where :)14:06
lbtwhat is the lcd refresh rate BTW?14:07
pupniknobody knows14:07
ssvblbt: ~55Hz14:08
pupniknew dosbox?14:08
pupnikno interest :)14:09
lbtheh... I'd better get back to Mer... we need our DVCS workflow sorted ... <sigh>14:09
pupnikbon travaille14:09
pupnikadd /dev/dsp support14:10
lbtI made Qt do proper fingerscrolling + bounce a la Fremantle this morning... fiferboy's new approach seems good14:10
lbtvideo soon14:11
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ssvblbt: about 'wait for VSYNC', it is not done explicity with a separate call (which does not work), but it's part of screen update14:11
ssvblbt: whenever you do screen update ioctl, it is a nonblocking call and screen update starts asynchronously14:12
ssvblbt: if you have TEARSYNC flag set, the real screen update will be postponed till the right moment, but your call is still nonblocking14:13
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lbtmakes sense14:13
lbtI think Qt is able to 'flush' updates at a frequency14:14
lbtso the real updates are aggregated to an off screen buffer14:14
lbtwhich is how they do transparency etc in non-gl rendere14:14
RST38hssvb: does wait for vsync work at all?14:14
RST38h(also I think the LCD update rate is 60Hz, it is kinda standard)14:15
lbtand we don't (currently) have the code to expose the vsync ioctly14:15
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ssvblbt: if you manage to use Xv as a backend for Qt, it may work14:16
lbtTBH my Qt foo isn't that high :)14:18
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ssvbRST38h: screen update ioctl has two flags: OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_TEARSYNC and OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_FORCE_VSYNC. The former helps to avoid tearing, but it's better not to touch the latter14:18
RST38hssvb: Aha, I see14:19
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ssvbRST38h: the point is that screen update can be either faster or slower than LCD refresh rate (depending on the width of the area to be updated), so in one case screen update needs to really start at VSYNC and in the other case it needs to start when LCD refresh reaches a certain line14:20
ssvbRST38h: OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_TEARSYNC has all this special logic14:20
RST38hssvb: the tearsync option does not require any wait, does it?14:21
RST38hit simply synchronizes update start with the vblank?14:21
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ssvbRST38h: and OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_FORCE_VSYNC just forces screen update on VBLANK, which is not always the right thing to do14:22
Stskeepsandre__: re 3286, we follow fremantle app manager. it might already be gone14:22
andre__ah. ok.14:22
ssvbRST38h: yes, that's right14:23
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RST38hssvb: So with FORCE_VSYNC you get a resemblance of the "normal" screen buffer with auto updates?14:23
ssvbRST38h: not really, auto updates are turned on in a different way14:24
pupnikfix in next device14:25
ssvbRST38h: or if you kick it periodically, yes that would really work as auto updates14:25
ssvbRST38h: but anyway, if you need to synchronize drawing with screen updates (to get rid of tearing), that will not help much14:26
* RST38h spends so much time to draw to the screen that nothing will help him get rid of tearing really14:27
RST38hScreen update has to happen scanline by scanline and synced to the simulated CPU execution time14:28
ssvbRST38h: if you use double buffering, it does not matter how much time is spent on drawing14:28
RST38hssvb: no double buffering on Maemo at the moment14:29
RST38hi.e. not using it, not that it is not implemented14:29
ssvbRST38h: Xv is some kind of double buffer :-)14:29
RST38hssvb: I tried using xv, did not find rgb layer support, and went stright to /dev/fb014:30
ssvbRST38h: actually it's more like triple buffering scheme: XV image -> framebuffer -> external LCD controller memory14:30
RST38hfb0 works pretty well, actually, no complaints there14:30
RST38hssvb: Not really, because BOTH me and the DMA are working on the framebuffer14:30
ssvbRST38h: yes, if you are accessing framebuffer directly14:31
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ssvbRST38h: if you use Xv, Xv image gets copied to the framebuffer at the right moment (when it does not interfere with DMA), so everything is supposed to be smooth14:32
ssvbRST38h: though the extra buffer copy is a prrice14:32
RST38hssvb: I would prefer to avoid any extra copying14:32
RST38hssvb: Really really really need those CPucycles14:32
pupnikesp vgba14:32
ssvbRST38h: but if you are working directly with framebuffer, you may have performance problems, cache is disabled for it (only write-combining buffer is enabled), so reading operations are slow14:33
RST38hssvb: No problem there, just writing, sequentially14:34
RST38hAlthough this does shine some light on why softening algorithms are so slow in VGBA14:34
ssvbRST38h: sequential writing is not a very common case, unless you are copying data from another buffer where you do offscreen rendering14:36
ssvbRST38h: and Xv image can be used as offscreen buffer easily14:36
* RST38h falls in that uncommon case category14:36
ssvbRST38h: ok14:37
RST38hi.e. yes, I do have an offscreen "buffer" of sorts, but not sure you want to know what it is :)14:37
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lcukRST38h, pupnik - benefit of using xv RGB mode, you should be able to set resolution specifically as well and save cycles that way14:59
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pupniksounds glood15:00
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RST38hlcuk: I.e. you can zoom to an arbitrary size, not just xN?15:06
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lcukRST38h, i dunno, and xv itself has other issues15:07
lcukstill not perfect rotation15:07
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tobi_Hi, i'm planning to build a linux based in-car-system and i'd like to use maemo on it15:27
tobi_will maemo freemantle run on arm9 based boards? :s15:27
RST38hnot as is15:28
RST38hbut you can try Mer15:28
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tobi_this board looks promising:
lcukno, but someone just did the same with canola on its own with no wm15:28
tobi_it claims to boot linux within 2s ;)15:28
tobi_ou really?15:28
lcukya rly15:28
tobi_and btw... the system should be hotplug :D15:29
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tobi_so you can plug in a usb-hd and it will scan your hd for media files15:29
tobi_there are just a few ideas and i'm looking for a hw-sw-combination which will best fit my needs  :D15:30
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lbttobi_: some guy already did this with Mer on x86 with a touch screen15:30
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tobi_did he? did he publish his project, or at least its status in the web?15:32
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thuxcan it be true that only 1% use linux?15:34
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, and apparently hurt some feelings in the process.15:39
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: lol ;)15:39
wazdjeez, my n900 mockup got 5 thumbs :(15:40
wazdnice e-mail :)15:41
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keesjthux: for sure , the linux desktop world is still small (lucky we have netbooks)15:44
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thuxbrw is here any people who are testing next maemo prototype?15:44
GeneralAntillesthux, sure, but they really can't much talk about it.15:45
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thuxcan it make gsm calls?15:45
wazdthux: they will be killed if they reveal this info :)15:45
wazdthux: then ressurected and then killed again)15:46
aquatixthen shot in the knees15:46
thuxi just heard that many nokians are testing prototype15:46
keesjHSPA is all that was promissed15:46
aquatixyou know, the basic NDA stuff15:46
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lbtthux: so did you get that?15:47
thuxi'm not nokianss15:47
RST38hget what?15:49
lbtI posted all the N900 details...15:49
* RST38h grumbles15:49
lbthope they weren't lost in the split15:49
RST38hthey were, please repeat15:50
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lbtaw damn, my line history broke and I'm too lazy to retype15:50
thuxand put in youtube some video too15:50
RST38hlbt: scroll back cut and paste =)15:52
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lbtgood idea15:53
lbtwell wouldn't you know it; the split used up all my scrollback buffer15:53
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lbthi fiferboy16:03
fiferboyhi lbt16:03
fiferboyHow's it going?16:03
lbtgot some time this morning and it's looking good16:03
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X-FadeHmm what's up with that glib dependency issue for liqbase?16:05
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fiferboyHad a nice weekend, ready to get back into some programming16:05
lbtI fixed a few minor issues in the code16:07
lbtIt also needs to handle being manually overshot (the algorithm just doesn't work)16:07
wazdfiferboy: hola16:08
lbt(I cheated)16:08
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fiferboyhey wazd16:08
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fiferboylbt:  I noticed the manual overshoot doesn't scroll back smoothly now.  It jumps back, which is way better than nothing16:09
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lbtyeah... that's exactly what I mean :)16:09
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RST38hFreescale tablet is out16:09
RST38hok, announced16:09
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lcukX-Fade, i dunno, it passed your autobuilder tests, but then in the next package sampppa says its blowing up.  i really suck at packaging16:09
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wazdsmartbook, omg16:10
X-Fadelcuk: let's check where that version dependency comes from..16:10
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wazdnetphone, anyone?16:10
RST38hwazd: You can get yours right now from HTC16:11
X-Fadelcuk: I want to be sure that the SDK is ok and this is a packaging error on liqbase's part ;)16:11
RST38hIf you are ok with WinMobile that is =8)~16:11
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lcukX-Fade, i wouldnt have the foggiest.  its totally dodgy i cant even get diablo working on my sb to try with, collar sampppa and z4chh if you find anything out x-fade :$16:12
* lcuk will try himself in a few hours16:12
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JaffaAf'noon all.16:16
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* Jaffa is home, and shattered16:16
aquatixhey Jaffa16:16
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wazdJaffa: hola16:18
timsamoffJaffa you have permission to sit out fot the meeting if you have too. ;)16:18
lbt'lo Jaffa ... brain gc required?16:18
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fiferboylbt: Did I send you the code with the isRightToLeft errors?16:28
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lcukhear ye, hear ya right now, #maemo-meeting is underway.  council and others.16:31
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lbtfiferboy: s/./->/ you mean16:48
lbtno... I fixed them ;)16:48
fiferboyThat's what I get for not doing a compile after my last changes.16:48
fiferboyJust found out about it this morning.16:48
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fiferboylbt: I'm going to try putting a drawOvershoot function in QASA and see if I can override it for item views16:51
lbthold off for a short while...16:51
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lbtor be prepared to merge into my version...16:51
* Stskeeps yawns and hugs sprintweb16:52
fiferboyMy changes will be minor, just want to see how to do it.16:52
fiferboyI will merge them to your version.16:52
lbtOK... hmm... must nag gnuton16:52
lbtStskeeps: yeah, sprintweb is nice... wazd needs to see it though. He'll die.16:53
Stskeepshe did16:54
Stskeepssaid it needed stylesheet16:54
Stskeepsits very mobile friendly16:55
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Stskeepsyou take a task from backlog, you have 3days initially to do it, you can extend estimate, give up, complete task16:59
Stskeepsedit task16:59
Stskeepsall glued in with autogenerated microblogging16:59
wazdlbt: mm?)16:59
aquatixheh, nice16:59
lbtooh, I'm in the RED17:00
Stskeepsyeah, means you didnt extend estimate17:00
aquatixlbt: get on with it!17:00
* lbt feels guilty now17:00
aquatixthat's the intention ;)17:00
aquatixguilt someone into fixing stuff17:00
wazdlbt: ah, saw that already :)17:01
lbtthat's all it was17:01
wazdlbt: handy but ugly :)17:01
* lbt nods .... lbt thought of wazd....17:02
aquatixwazd: well, i think Stskeeps will accept some minor patches for css and html fixing (needs doctype ;) )17:02
wazdaquatix: sure, I'll do it asa I'll finish Mer widgetlist :)17:03
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lbtfremantle sdk looks very nice17:03
Stskeepsi guess sprintweb should have a vote function sometime17:03
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lbtheh... seeing maemo-meeting I think you get a vote if you do some work17:04
fiferboyHas anyone else experienced screwed up colours in the fremantle SDK in scratchbox?17:05
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Stskeepsbut we will get to that eventually, we have equal priority for most things17:05
wazdfiferboy: yep, there was such a problem17:05
lbtright... back l8r17:05
wazdfiferboy: but I don't know was it fixed or not17:06
fiferboywazd: Glad it's not just me.  I thought it might be because I didn't have openGL17:06
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pupnik_lcuk, did you ever get uae4all src from kotczarny?17:56
LinuxCodebetter question17:57
LinuxCodedoes that actually work now ?17:57
* LinuxCode is still waiting for a use emu for his N81017:57
pupnik_it was working last year with sound and high speed17:57
pupnik_but sound not working atm17:57
LinuxCodenot when I tried it17:57
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LinuxCodegot a link ?17:58
pupnik_somehow my dev/dsp & esddsp is wrong17:58
pupnik_not atm17:58
pupnik_what didnt work for you17:58
LinuxCodeI only tried it last timne we talked17:58
LinuxCodeit wouldnt run at all afai recall17:58
pupnik_did it segfault?17:58
pupnik_still haved the binary?17:59
qwerty12pupnik_: he can be found in #liqbase17:59
timsamoffX-Fade: Thanks!17:59
pupnik_k ty17:59
LinuxCode4pm , he is probbaly working18:00
X-Fadetimsamoff: better wording to discribe these meetings for: are appreciated ;)18:00
pupnik_if we can integrate a working dsp wrapper into the .deb - might solve it18:00
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timsamoffX-Fade: Title: Maemo Community Council meetings; Description: Maemo Community Council meetings are held periodically to cover community ideas and issues. These meetings are open for everybody to join.18:02
timsamoffX-Fade: Thank you so much!18:02
X-Fadetimsamoff: Thanks, updated.18:03
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timsamoffX-Fade: Is there a specific Council Blog RSS feed?18:12
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Tu13eshm, I'm trying to flash my n800 and getting this:18:13
Tu13esWrite failed after 0 bytes18:13
Tu13esusb_bulk_write: Unknown error: -118:13
Tu13esany ideas?18:13
pupniklcuk, you up for doing me a favor?18:14
Stskeeps1) are you root 2) did you hold down home key when turning it on?18:14
Tu13esStskeeps: yep, and yep18:14
StskeepsTu13es: grab static flasher and see if it helps18:14
Tu13eswhat/where is that?18:14 , there's a flasher-something-static on the flasher download page18:15
Stskeepsthen you're sure it's the right libusb version18:15
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Tu13eswill it work on a mac?18:17
Stskeepsnow that's a different game :P18:17
Tu13esif it matters, my n800 seems to be in an odd state - it won't boot18:18
Tu13esI haven't used it in a while and can't remember what I was doing last with it, heh18:18
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Stskeepstry to charge it completely first18:18
Stskeepsleave it in charger18:18
Tu13esI charged it overnight last night, oddly18:19
Tu13eswell, I plugged it in overnight18:19
icke_ittremove the battery for a couple of minutes18:19
Stskeepsyou don't have a secondary battery do you?18:19
Tu13eswill do18:20
icke_ittthan charge it again and try to start it after the charging symbol shows18:20
Tu13eswhoa, weird18:22
Tu13esokay, so just playing around i popped the battery back in, plugged in USB, started the flasher, and plugged in the AC adapter18:23
Tu13esit started flashing, but18:23
Tu13esSending and flashing rootfs image (134912 kB)... 12% (16512 of 134912 kB, 5892 kB/s)18:23
Tu13esWrite failed after 16908288 bytes18:23
Tu13esusb_bulk_write: Unknown error: -118:23
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pupnikdodgy cable/connection?18:23
Tu13esdon't think so, it did something similar a few minutes ago i think18:24
pupniki want a button in xchat to snap a pic from camera, autoupload to an image hoster, and paste url into current channel18:25
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Tu13esah, finally got to a charging screen18:31
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rmtpupnik, That shouldn't be hard.18:35
rmtpupnik, Xchat got the python script module installed?18:35
pupnikwould be a nice  trick imo18:35
rmtThen you're pretty much set. :->18:35
qwerty12rmt: My build from extras-devel has it enabled; the Extras one, not.18:35
pupniki cant dev atm18:35
rmtpupnik, A python X-chat script would be a good way to start.  You can load the easy python (iirc) module.. you'll have to install the package.18:37
rmtThen use the urllib2 module to POST it to an image upload site..18:38
pupnikcan python drive camera snaps?18:38
Tu13esand, it boots, yay18:38
rmtpupnik, Yes.18:39
pupniklooks doable then!18:39
rmteasy - Python-based API to ease the development of applications that access MAEMO-specific services and devices.18:39
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rmtimport easy.camera18:41
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Tu13eshm, what can I do if apt-get update seems to hang while waiting for headers?18:47
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Tu13esanyone else seeing this? I can't update in apt-get or application manager18:57
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Tu13esweird, reboot fixed it19:01
pupnikahh painkillers19:02
thuxpupnik: have you exercised too much?19:03
pupnikgod bless sandof-aventis19:04
pupnikmoved to a new house.  herniated disc19:04
thuxlift heavy things19:04
pupnikthat was the problem19:04
pupniklooking into surgery19:05
pupnik  in case anyone wants fullspeed snes19:06
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pupnikthat should start and load the rom19:07
luke-jrpupnik: fullspeed with breathing room, or just barely?19:07
pupnikbreathing room19:07
luke-jryou wrote it?19:07
pupnikno, just worked on porting for weeks19:07
qwerty12You're awesome pupnik, thanks!19:08
* LinuxCode gets the whip out for pupnik to package up uae4all for N81019:08
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pupniki can not sit or work on pc19:11
pupniklying on the floor 22hrs/day19:11
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derfGet a laptop.19:14
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pupnikfix my t42p19:16
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plastunhi2all. How can i play wav file in python? there is no module named ossaudiodev19:21
pupnikthere is no oss19:21
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pupnikthere is esd and alsa support19:22
plastunare there python bindings to alsa or esd?19:23
pupniki never wrote python19:24
qwerty12plastun: hildon.hildon_play_system_sound("wav file") for really simple playback of a wav file; python-gstreamer bindings for something a little more advanced19:25
plastunthnks, i'll try19:26
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RST38hmoo all again19:33
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JaffaSeems very odd reading the Apple WWDC liveblogging from just around the corner of where I was last week, and could see them decking out the conference center (sic) in Apple logos and iPhone paraphenalia19:42
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RST38his iPhone paraphenalia legal?19:42
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JaffaRST38h: Newton necrophilia definitely shouldn't be19:43
GAN800Even XChat causes wd resets. . .19:43
RST38hJaffa: should all be outlawed imho =)19:43
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GAN800<angryoldbastard>There should be a law!</angryoldbastard>19:45
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* timeless_mbp got lost in London19:56
timeless_mbpwell, @paddington19:56
* timeless_mbp is @paddington library :)19:57
Stskeepsyour n810 gps stopped working? we had to rely on paper maps in cph:P19:57
timeless_mbpbtw, anyone in the neighborhood?19:57
timeless_mbpi was using paper maps in cph half the time19:57
timeless_mbpi haven't really bothered trying to use the n810 gps19:57
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timeless_mbpthe problem is that the maps all get my destination wrong19:57
timeless_mbpNokia Maps claims none of my reference points exist19:58
timeless_mbpGoogle Maps seems to be off by at least one station19:58
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* timeless_mbp considered asking the librarian for help but decided to use the free wifi instead19:58
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lbtnot in london... but I can wave in your general direction....20:00
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timeless_mbplbt: heh20:06
* timeless_mbp waves back in some general direction20:06
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* timeless_mbp kicks end users20:06
suihkulokkithat is not very user friendly20:07
qwerty12RST38h: does fMSX check checksums on roms like vgba? :)20:07
timeless_mbpusers are not very developer friendly20:07
timeless_mbpa guy said "i confirm this bug exists" in a bug report20:07
timeless_mbpwhich has no details, no stack, ...20:08
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fiferboylbt: Implemented a virtual function for drawOvershoot and an override in QTableView that has the headers follow the overshoot20:10
luke-jrtimeless_mbp: details are presumably in the original report20:11
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luke-jrstacks are not always available, and I would expect not on embedded systems20:11
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GAN800timeless_mbp, clearly the failings all lie with you, so I'm not sure why you're complaining. :P20:11
timeless_mbpluke-jr: this is os/2 warp 4.5 :)20:12
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RST38hqwerty: No, fMSX does not check checksums (MSX carts had none)20:19
qwerty12RST38h: ah, thanks :(20:19
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RST38hqwerty: something is wrong?20:25
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qwerty12RST38h: yeah, refuses to load a Metal Gear 1 (translated) rom. I get a "failed loading file". Running it from console does not produce any errors. Bluemsx plays it fine :)20:26
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leandroalwill the new maemo device have GSM/3G support?20:38
pupnikapparently yesx20:39
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RST38hqwerty: Metal Gear 1 does not require translation and plays just fine20:40
RST38hqwerty: Send me the file I will check what it is20:40
qwerty12RST38h: Meh, I am not fluent in Japanese (although I'm not averse to grabbing a walkthough). but you're right, this is a hacked rom after all20:41
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qwerty12Sent, thanks.20:42
RST38hMetalGear 1 has been released in English by Konami20:44
konttoripupnik: cool!20:44
RST38hSo I have no idea what "translated" ROM you have been playing =)20:44
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RST38hIt is also a pretty simple KONAMI4 ROM mapper, should not have problems20:44
qwerty12RST38h: for which system? :)20:45
RST38hMSX2 to be precise20:45
qwerty12Haha, that's me shitfucked. Thanks for the pointer, I'll have a look around20:45
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lbtfiferboy: diff?20:50
fiferboyHang on, just fixing a graphical issue with the headers20:50
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fiferboylbt: Are you reworking the scrolling/overshoot calculations?20:51
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lbtlooking much better now20:52
fiferboyIt will most likely be easier for me to merge my changes, if you can wait a bit20:52
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lbtI'm messing in yScrollState == OverShootStabilise20:53
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fiferboyWas the problem detecting when manualScroll was exited and needed to go to stabilise?20:55
fiferboyOr are you just generally improving the algorithm?20:55
lbtno, just algorithm20:55
fiferboyI can easily add my changes to QListView and QTreeView, which means QTableWidget, QListWidget, and QTreeWidget should inherit them.20:56
RST38hqwerty: I tried your rom and it runs on fMSX-Windows just fine. It does look weird though, using non-standard font, as if somebody translated it20:57
RST38hqwerty: The original English version uses bold font20:58
qwerty12_N810RST38h: aha, fMSX-Maemo wont touch it but no matter now. Thank you! :)20:58
pupnikines could use .zip support if u bored RST38h21:00
RST38hpupnik: it supports .gz21:00
RST38hAs far as I am concerned, it is enough21:01
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pupnikk, i convert21:02
fiferboylbt: How does git do if two people are making changes to the same branch and then merge separately?21:02
fiferboyIt will mark the files with problem comments and alert the user, correct?21:03
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RST38h"Revolutionary built-in battery"21:12
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RST38h"When you run in 64-bit, the memory limit is... 16 billion GB. It's unlimited."21:17
RST38hpuny attempt to create jobsian reality distortion field fails!21:17
Jaffa16bn GB really *should* be enough for everyone ;-)21:18
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Stskeepsbuilt in battery for a laptop?21:18
Stskeepschrist sakes21:18
Stskeepsare they insane? :P21:18
lcukyeah, but vista will still insist on more21:18
JaffaStskeeps: bit odd; but maybe the Mac heads upgrade more often, combined with improved technology?21:18
lcukRST38h, it may not be unlimited, but i doubt there is anyone in the world who has 16 bm GB21:19
t_s_oJaffa: that would depend on the addressing. iirc, one can address the full 4GB in 32-bit thanks to memory on the graphics card(s) sharing the same address space or something...21:19
t_s_oJaffa: extended warranty...21:19
t_s_ojust fork over a bit more cash to apple...21:19
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RST38hlcuk: you would be surprised21:20
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RST38h"For 3.0, we're opening up the possibility for developers to build apps that talk directly to third-party hardware!"21:23
wazdwith iPhone you can actually remotely see in real time, wether your patient has the pulse21:23
RST38h"These companion apps can talk over Bluetooth or the dock connector!" -- holy shit, that is innovation!21:23
wazdpretty amazing21:23
Jaffa40m devices is quite impressive21:23
Jaffawazd: yeah, that app looks pretty cool - shows vertical markets, hmm.21:23
Stskeepswazd: that's bloody easy.21:24
t_s_oRST38h: sarcasm?21:24
RST38hYou can play music from your iTunes collection (on the phone) in the app!21:24
RST38ht_s_o: direct quotes from the keynote (exclamation marks are mine)21:24
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pupnikqwertys dosbox build seems to have a bit smoother audio21:24
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pupnikhard to benchmark tho21:24
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wazdtomtom is the first navi software in the appstore. Cause we were dumping all others for a year21:25
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t_s_ohmm, "find phone"...21:26
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wazdngmocO_o :)21:28
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pupnik rubybox: Depends: ruby1.8-maemo but it is not installable21:31
pupnikdurr.  and old links to it are dead :)21:32
qwerty12_N810it's in his repo now21:33
qwerty12_N810he has a one click install somewhere - look for knots21:33
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DHRDoes anyone know how to get gnumeric for mistral?  The maemo download ends up pointing at an apparently dead server,
wazdI wonder why they ignored the number of windows mobile apps in the keynote :)21:48
t_s_owazd: or the non-store symbian equivalent...21:49
t_s_oand funny that they included pre, as its been out what, days?21:50
bergiehehe... and apparantly Apple invented camphones too: "iPhone has changed the way people use their Phone (as a camera)"21:50
t_s_ochanged, not invented, tho i suspect thats just a lawyer dodge. it they could get away with it, they would probably proclaim invented from the stage21:51
RST38h3 megapixel autofocus camera21:52
RST38hbergie: have they done it with a 3mpx camera? =)21:52
bergieindeed :-)21:52
bergiet_s_o: well, I hear that statement strongly implying they invented it21:53
RST38hnaaah this guy isn't Jobs. his rdf is nil21:53
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RST38hYou can share your pictures with anyone! OHMYGOD!21:54
RST38hApple invented MMS.21:54
t_s_owhen was the first time i head about a phone with youtube upload? must have been a nokia pre-iphone...21:54
RST38hThere is an API (!) for video capture (!!)21:54
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* RST38h imagines thousands of Apple developers getting a simultenous woody21:55
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t_s_oits WWDC after all, must talk about API's...21:55
StskeepsJaffa: how mature is maemo vala development?21:56
pupnikqwerty12_N810, can u strip the dosbox bin and re u/l?21:57
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JaffaStskeeps: Tear is the only prominent Vala app, I know of. IDE support is still weak compared with real, big, mature languages - but as a technology (rather than a dev-env) it's fine.21:57
pupniki dont find "strip" for maemo21:57
Jaffa0.7.3 won't compile on glib 2.12 (i.e. Maemo) without a patch; but that's fixed in svn21:57
Stskeepsjust wondering if there are some guides, could be a good way to promote mer devel21:58
qwerty12_N810pupnik: that binary is stripped :) (2.5MB -> 2.2MB)21:58
JaffaStskeeps: I'm not aware of any :-(21:59
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t_s_ohehe, appeal to the green21:59
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lbtfiferboy: yes it has good conflict resolution handling22:03
fiferboyThe documentation I've read indicated that22:04
Jaffa"and one more thing"?22:04
Jaffaah, no.22:05
JaffaFremantle and Harmattan have a lot to live up to (no point having wonderfully open APIs, if comparitively few people are developing for them)22:06
RST38hNeither will live up to iPhone software22:07
RST38hBut you probably know it already22:07
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RST38hBut the toilet plunger Apple+AT&T tend to stick up customers' collective ass is alone sufficient to stay away from Apple gadgets22:08
VDVsxStskeeps, there are some vala tuts in the gnome website22:08
JaffaOh yeah (AT&T isn't a problem in the UK)22:08
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JaffaStskeeps: don't need autoconf on Maemo, just a simple Makefile suffices IMHO22:09
RST38hJaffa: iPhone is a total failure in .RU, with huge unsold inventories22:09
lcukJaffa, if only22:09
JaffaRST38h: Loads of them here.22:09
Jaffalcuk: for vala, I mean22:09
RST38hJaffa: Mainly because whoever wanted got themselves broken ones long time ago22:09
RST38hJaffa: and for the rest it is an overpriced useless toy22:09
* lcuk has been ripping hair out for a week trying to split up liqbase and adapt to autotools22:09
Jaffalcuk: don't envy you22:10
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RST38hlcuk: autotools I would suggest to ignore22:10
lcuki have 2 packages which are *nearly* right22:10
lcukRST38h, its a library22:10
RST38hlcuk: absolutely useless crap, as applied to maemo development22:10
lcukand i agree, before this i was nice and happy with little makefiles22:10
lcukhand crafted and working22:10
Jaffa is the entirety of the makefile for a Hildon hello-world vala program22:10
lcuknow ive lost all mojo and will to live (but i know its needed in longrun)22:11
RST38hlcuk: kill and eat a kitten?22:11
lcukive tried :(22:11
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lcukit barely took the edge off22:11
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lcukjeremiah_torp, :$ are you around22:17
JaffaX-Fade: jeremiah_torp: known problems with garage incoming-builder uploads? (I'm getting permission denied on chinook, diablo & fremantle)22:17
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StskeepsJaffa: we're overthrowing the council under the flag of our leader penguinbait, viva la revolution!22:18
lbtdoesn't the new leader customarily get executed after a bit though?22:24
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JaffaAh, working now22:26
JaffaRevolution stamped out :)22:26
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Stskeepsseriously though, did pb stop posting?22:27
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GAN800Stskeeps, why must you tempt fate? :P22:41
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StskeepsGAN800: hehe22:42
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fiferboylbt: Once you are happy with your changes, if you send them to me I will merge my changes in.22:50
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lcukjeremiah_torp, keesj (or any other packaging gods) could you please let me know what went wrong and how to fix the packages
lbtI'm planning a late one... you may wrap up first. First to go to sleep emails. yes?22:53
fiferboylbt: Sounds good.  I've got 5 hours of time zone advantage on my side!22:53
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DHR vala requires OS 2008?22:57
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pupnikecho 3 > /proc/cpu/alignment fixes Wing Commander for me22:57
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* GAN800 idly wonders what a "torp" is.22:58
JaffaDHR: Dunno, probably not. Just uploading it to extras-devel failed cos of a cockup22:58
pupnikthat ines icon is beautiful btw, RST38h22:59
fiferboytorpor is a temporary hibernation23:01
fiferboyMaybe that's it23:01
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Macerin canada do women wear dresses with outdoors boots?23:08
fiferboyMacer: In the winter?23:09
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Maceri'm just curious23:10
Maceri was watching little bear (who is obviously canadian) and their little psycho human girl... wears a blue dress with some like.... woods type boots23:11
Macerlike some shit you would use to go chop down trees23:11
fiferboyMy son watches Little Bear23:11
fiferboyI can't say I have ever noticed anyone dressed like that girl around here23:12
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keesj O,#N, O,#O, 7,#6, 0,#F- G+#F, F-#E- F,#F, F,#F, .,#_- f,#V- 2,#9, $!#$!23:14
Stskeepsis that unicode or alien language? :P23:15
keesjme trying to copy paste luck url on my n810 irssi23:16
keesjnot geek codes23:16
Mikhobut, alien language sounded so much cooler...23:16
fiferboylbt: Item Views with headers look much more impressive now when overshooting!23:16
Stskeepstalk has "Post Edit History"23:17
Stskeepsnasty :P23:17
Stskeepspeople can see my typo fixes23:17
qwerty12_N810no, only you can see your history23:18
Stskeepsphew :P23:18
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keesjyou and council members of course :p23:20
keesjlcuk: i will try to look at the post tomorow but i am nowhere near packagging god23:21
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keesjthe main problem with the package as i left it was that it is a single package and it should be a lib and dev package23:22
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Macerfiferboy: heh23:23
Macerwell... i guess little bear is from canada23:23
Macerbut next time when you see the girl in it.... i think.. emily?23:23
Macershe wears a blue dress with some wood chopping boots :)23:24
lcukyeah i know kees :$ i spotted it and have tried to find out how to rectify.  thank you for starting this off, i know wholeheartedly its needed23:24
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lcukand i know all the pieces are on the right sides of the fence now23:24
lbtfiferboy: go on ... send it23:24
fiferboyMacer: The author is from Denmark and moved to the United States23:24
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fiferboylbt: Okay, I will send it.  I just compiled QTreeView support as well.  I was surprised to find out that QListView can't have headers.23:25
lbtheh, my original objective was to learn Qt... it's working23:25
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fiferboyYes, I'm starting to get a good working knowledge too23:26
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Macerfiferboy: the actors are canadian23:33
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Macerthey say the word house and out like canadians23:33
fiferboyMacer: Yes, I think the show might have been produced in Canada.  It struck me as Canadian as well23:33
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Maceri'm watching yo gabba gabba now23:34
fiferboyMacer: :)23:34
fiferboyStrange show, that23:34
Macerwhen i was 5 we used to live in a bad neighborhood on the south side of chicago.. and there was this old drunk woman named sylvia.. the kind the would scare children.. and she wore a hat like the guy from yo gabba gabba and it's disturbing23:34
fiferboyYou can buy that hat and glasses in toy stores here!23:35
fiferboyYou should get one and terrify neighbourhood kids23:35
Macernot really. it's the weird black dude that makes it a weird show23:35
fiferboylbt: I sent you the files.  Let me know what you think23:35
Macerthe rest of the stuff is your typical kids show with giant animal type things23:35
Maceralthough the red herpes penis looking thing with one eye is kind of disturbing too23:36
fiferboyMacer: The celebrity cameos are strange too (Elijah Wood, Jimmy Eat World, etc)23:36
Macerlike "wtf?"23:36
Macerwell.. alicia keys was the martian in the backyardigans :)23:36
fiferboyJimmy Eat World flying through the sky playing their instruments on giant cats and dogs.23:36
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fiferboyMacer: true23:36
Maceralcia keys is #1 on the list of women that i can sleep with if i got the chance and wouldn't lose my gf :)23:36
fiferboyAnd Cyndi Lauper did a song in Backyardigans23:37
Macerif i ever had a chance to meet alicia keys and she ever asked me to make a song request.. i'd make her sing boinga just to laugh :)23:37
Maceranyways... i need to work on my boxen23:38
Maceri screwed up making another zfs inside of another and using it as a smb share23:38
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Macermya is on yo gabba gabba now23:38
Maceri think she's hot in an arabic black woman looking kinda way23:39
fiferboyBye all23:39
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