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| lcuk | yeah the params are looking right | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | thx | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | ~lart debugging | 00:03 |
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| lardman | +1, especially on ARM | 00:03 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: afaik it uses xv by default | 00:16 |
| lcuk | its ok, ive got enough info for now | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261099 <<< rotation problem | 00:25 |
| ssvb | RST38h: what uses xv by default? | 00:28 |
| lcuk | ssvb, it was me asking about mplayer, that link describes the rotation problem and has videos, im trying to let jott know about it as well :) | 00:29 |
| ssvb | lcuk: good | 00:29 |
| lcuk | thanks for the reminder | 00:30 |
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| RST38h | ssvb: mplayer | 00:34 |
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| RST38h | ssvb: doesn't it? | 00:34 |
| ssvb | RST38h: no | 00:34 |
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| ssvb | RST38h: it used omapfb output by default, which is the fastest | 00:34 |
| ssvb | RST38h: s/used/uses/ | 00:35 |
| RST38h | ssvb: From your comments earlier today I misundertood that it used xv | 00:35 |
| RST38h | Sorry | 00:35 |
| lcuk | its ok, i forgot what i did when i first noticed it (this is an old observation revisited) | 00:35 |
| lcuk | i was too nervous and couldnt explain myself clearly enough back then :) | 00:36 |
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| ssvb | RST38h: though XV can be almost as fast as direct framebuffer in mplayer | 00:37 |
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| ssvb | RST38h, lcuk: XV performance tuning for mplayer: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261102 | 00:56 |
| ssvb | the slowness of XV was indeed colorkey related | 00:56 |
| ssvb | Canola guys may be very interested | 00:58 |
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| mavhc | what's xv? | 01:00 |
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| lcuk | its magic :) its a video mode which displays video in an overlay and bypasses x11 network elements | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | ssvb, very cool | 01:01 |
| lcuk | glad its identified | 01:01 |
| lcuk | im pondering how i would make video work inside something that already opens xv | 01:02 |
| lcuk | its not like i can just pass you a pointer | 01:02 |
| ssvb | mavhc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension | 01:02 |
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| ssvb | mavhc: it's a standard method for video output in linux | 01:03 |
| mavhc | are the codecs in mplayer etc optimised for the ARM/DSP? | 01:03 |
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| lcuk | they are optimized inside the actual lcd hardware itself | 01:04 |
| ssvb | mavhc: for ARM partially yes, for DSP - no | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | oops, not they - the video is.. the codecs ssvb answered | 01:05 |
| ssvb | lcuk: yes, I have just found it, this colorkey thing was preventing the use of fast blizzard overlay | 01:05 |
| dob | mkfs.vfat decides that I should have a 200M filesystem on a 4G partition (probably because I used to have a 200M fs there), how can I make this right? Should I manually input the blocks-count to mkfs.vfat? What's the block size? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | ssvb, its always good to solve problems | 01:09 |
| lcuk | anyway, early night for me, ive been wiped out for half the week | 01:09 |
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| lardman | any gstreamer gurus about? | 01:22 |
| lardman | anyone know if a filter which alters the res (down) and framerate (down) will cause significant slowdown? | 01:23 |
| lardman | or at least slower than doing the res adjustment at the fakesink? | 01:23 |
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| GAN800 | How are the mailing list people so clueless? :/ | 01:31 |
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| housetier | o_O | 01:55 |
| Zic | Hmm, I read that the next Maemo release comme with a new hardware : a HD camera, a new ARM processor, and a cellular modem to access to the Internet : this modem is only like 3G access, or GSM too ? | 01:55 |
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| wazd | Zic: no gsm | 01:55 |
| ken-p | Zic: where did you read that? | 01:55 |
| Zic | ken-p: on the last anoucement for the new Fermantle Maemo SDK | 01:56 |
| Zic | (and on Wikipedia about Fermantle) | 01:56 |
| ken-p | aha | 01:56 |
| ken-p | btw | 01:56 |
| ken-p | there was news that Nokia had discontinued N810 | 01:56 |
| Zic | by the way, I don't want to have a GSM modem in a Nokia Internet Tablet, I have a phone for that | 01:57 |
| ken-p | will there be an update? | 01:57 |
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| Zic | I have a Freerunner with OpenMoko :) | 01:57 |
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| benson[away] | ~lart Pkerown for doing ASCII art of a printer with runaway form-feed. | 01:57 |
| * infobot beats Pkerown to within 2.54cm of his life for doing ASCII art of a printer with runaway form-feed. | 01:57 | |
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| wazd | ken-p: wi-max was discontinued, not 810\ | 01:57 |
| ken-p | so just the wimax edition? | 01:58 |
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| wazd | ken-p: yes | 01:58 |
| Zic | for now, there is no plan in the future to add a GSM modem to Nokia Internet tablet ? | 01:58 |
| benson | No plan they'll talk about. | 01:58 |
| ken-p | anyway, are Nokia planning to release an update soon? | 01:58 |
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| Lamo | hello, is anyone in here using easy debian? i downloaded the image file to my memory card and extracted the debian-final.img.ext2 file but am not sure of what to do next. | 01:58 |
| GAN800 | ken-p, N810 isn't discontinnued. | 01:58 |
| wazd | Zic: Let's make clear: I'm talking bout "phone" functionality | 01:59 |
| wazd | Zic: like "making a phonecall" :) | 01:59 |
| Zic | wazd: yes, I understand :) | 01:59 |
| wazd | Zic: It will have a modem for data transfer | 01:59 |
| benson | Well, I don't think we'll get GSM data w/o GSM voice, only packet-switched data (GPRS and up). | 01:59 |
| wazd | Zic: Don't know exactly would it be 3G only or GPRS/EDGE/3G | 02:00 |
| Zic | wazd: just, for now I own a N800 and maybe I will bui the new hardware which comes with Fermantle, but I own a Freerunner phone (on Linux) too | 02:00 |
| Zic | s/bui/buy/ | 02:00 |
| infobot | Zic meant: wazd: just, for now I own a N800 and maybe I will buy the new hardware which comes with Fermantle, but I own a Freerunner phone (on Linux) too | 02:00 |
| benson | HSPA is announced, GPRS is a pocssible inference. | 02:00 |
| wazd | benson: gprs would be great cause we haven't got 3g :) | 02:00 |
| mikkov_ | 3g only modem would be utterly stuupid | 02:01 |
| benson | wazd: Yep; I'm hoping so, too. Don't wanna have to switch to ATT | 02:01 |
| wazd | ken-p: release data is not available for now | 02:01 |
| Zic | wazd: so, it's a data cellular modem, not a GSM modem (to make phone call, sending SMS... MMS used data cellular modme I think) | 02:03 |
| wazd | I'm waiting for new UI to start work on next omw :) | 02:03 |
| Zic | +? | 02:03 |
| wazd | Zic: yes | 02:03 |
| Zic | great, because I'm sure if they add a GSM modem, even if ITT by Nokia can't enter in my pocket, I will try, even if I need to enlarge my pockets :) | 02:04 |
| wazd | Zic: how can you judge bout size of upcoming hardware?) | 02:05 |
| Zic | wazd: 770/N800/N810 have not really changed about size | 02:05 |
| wazd | Zic: the've added wi-max modem to n810 and it was pretty pocketable) | 02:05 |
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| wazd | Zic: and GSM is smaller | 02:05 |
| Zic | wanders: yes, it's pretty pocketable, but lesser than a phones, even if the Freerunner is large :) | 02:06 |
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| wazd | Zic: does any other phone has 4.2" screen? | 02:06 |
| Zic | (I'm a geek and I try to persuade myself that I don't do a redundant buying with already own a N800, and buying recently a Freerunner) | 02:07 |
| Zic | that's all :> | 02:07 |
| wazd | Zic: I'm trying to say that lack of GSM is more ideological solution than technical | 02:07 |
| wazd | Zic: to kill competition between n97 | 02:08 |
| Zic | wazd: yes, and that's a best point | 02:08 |
| Zic | wazd: because even if I need a phone every day in my pocket (and I prefer that this phone is documented and using FOSS software) | 02:08 |
| Zic | I'm feeling free when I use my N800 and shutdown the phone ;-) | 02:09 |
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| Zic | it's my question about existence of this night in fact ;-) | 02:10 |
| lardman | GAN800: fremantle stuff? | 02:10 |
| wazd | Good choice to have separated phone and PDA is when you're power user | 02:11 |
| Zic | and that's the reason of my question : I prefer that the next ITT of Nokia will not add a GSM modem to make and receive calls | 02:11 |
| wazd | When you'll have your PDA battery dry, your phone will be online | 02:12 |
| Zic | but if you say it's just a data cellular modem, it's great :) | 02:12 |
| Zic | wazd: yes, it's one other reason to me | 02:12 |
| Zic | wazd: it just make me think about that because all friend who own an Internet Tablet of Nokia own a very classical phone | 02:14 |
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| Zic | and recently, I order a FOSS based and documented phone, the OpenMoko Freerunner, so... :) | 02:15 |
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| Zic | except from hardware, features are pretty the same of IT of Nokia | 02:16 |
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| Zic | so, here I am and asking some questions tonight :) | 02:16 |
| Zic | thanks for your answers | 02:17 |
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| Zic | (for an example with only Nokia devices, like wazd said, own a N800 and a N97 sounds to be for very specific user (power user)) | 02:23 |
| Zic | s/N800/N8*0/ | 02:24 |
| infobot | Zic meant: (for an example with only Nokia devices, like wazd said, own a N8*0 and a N97 sounds to be for very specific user (power user)) | 02:24 |
| wazd | Owning n97 and n8*0 is a bit overkill :) | 02:27 |
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| roope | Hello. | 02:27 |
| wazd | I'd prefer n8*0 and a small phone or n97 alone) | 02:27 |
| wazd | roope: hi | 02:28 |
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| Zic | have to go to sleep, bye, have a nice day or good night too | 02:31 |
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| wazd | If anyone is still interested - n97 seems to have same TV-out through 3.5mm jack technology as RX-51 seems to have: blet of Nokia own a very classical phone | 02:33 |
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| wazd | <Zic> and recently, I order a FOSS based and documented phone, the OpenMoko Freerunner, so... :) | 02:33 |
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| wazd | what the hell | 02:34 |
| Jucato | O.o | 02:34 |
| wazd | http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=jN_LSKwnX10 | 02:34 |
| wazd | I don't get how this shit happening, sorry) | 02:34 |
| lardman | wazd: /me bought an n95 output cable while we were fiddling hoping the n8x0 had some hidden tv-out functionality | 02:35 |
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| wazd | lardman: ah, it's not new technology :( I've never heard bout it before) | 02:36 |
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| lardman | the n8x0 could probably do the same, but the lines aren't connected | 02:36 |
| * lardman wonders how he's broken his video display by adding a cap to a different queue | 02:39 | |
| lardman | the wonders of GStreamer! | 02:40 |
| lardman | s/cap/pad | 02:40 |
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| Jucato | does that n97 come with symbian or maemo? (sorry, noob...) | 02:45 |
| lardman | symbian | 02:45 |
| Jucato | ah... | 02:46 |
| * Jucato just needs to figure out how to send/receive sms (or even calls) on the n810 through his 6600 and he's set for life | 02:46 | |
| lardman | phonelink or gnokii? | 02:47 |
| Jucato | hm... I'll try those :) | 02:48 |
| lardman | for calls, there was a thread on itt (iirc) about doing that, by masquerading as a headset | 02:48 |
| Jucato | oh.. | 02:48 |
| Jucato | though SMS is more important to me than calls :D | 02:48 |
| Jucato | (my 6600 was used for so many things except calls :D) | 02:49 |
| lardman | well those two should do it for you, in fact I think the first wraps the second | 02:49 |
| Jucato | ah | 02:49 |
| lardman | should be in Garage | 02:49 |
| Jucato | thanks :) | 02:49 |
| lardman | np | 02:49 |
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| lardman | if I drop data in a pipeline beyond a tee, does that stall the pipeline further upstream (i.e. will the other side of the tee also be stalled)? | 02:56 |
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| lardman | I presume not, but my images seem to have vanished :( | 02:56 |
| bogdanr | Hello | 02:56 |
| bogdanr | Did everyone try Mer so far? | 02:56 |
| bogdanr | I want to install Mer on the miniSD card but I can't find any instructions so far | 02:57 |
| b-man | probibly | 02:57 |
| bogdanr | Can you plese point me in the right direction | 02:58 |
| bogdanr | ? | 02:58 |
| lardman | bogdanr: use the installer | 02:58 |
| lardman | it asks you where to install it | 02:58 |
| lardman | it's not end-user friendly mind you | 02:58 |
| b-man | (yet) | 02:59 |
| lardman | indeed :) | 02:59 |
| bogdanr | And then how can I boot from miniSD? | 02:59 |
| b-man | bootmenu | 02:59 |
| bogdanr | How do I go into boot menu? | 02:59 |
| lardman | you need to install it, again from the Mer instructions | 03:00 |
| bogdanr | OK | 03:00 |
| bogdanr | Thanks | 03:00 |
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| bogdanr | How do I know if I have Diablo on my tablet? | 04:20 |
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| jaem_ | bogdanr: go to the system settings, and click on the top-left icon (I think it's "about", but I don't have my tablet with me | 04:29 |
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| jaem_ | it should say there, and if it doesn't, give me the version number, and I'll let you know | 04:30 |
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| zakkm | Hey, if i were to sell my Nokia N800, how much do you think i would be able to get? What's its value nowadays? | 05:31 |
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| Proteous | I would sell it for $5, you can email me when you are ready to sell | 05:32 |
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| zakkm | lol i paid $145 for it | 05:33 |
| zakkm | cash | 05:33 |
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| johnx | so either the charger for my n800 is done or the charging circuit in my n800 is kaput. :$ | 06:13 |
| GAN800 | johnx, gotta get a 770 to charge. ;) | 06:17 |
| johnx | heh. should have bought one from you when I had the chance | 06:18 |
| GAN800 | Yup, I ended up giving it away for shipping. | 06:18 |
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| johnx | well, I need to verify that my charging port and charging circuit(s) are ok before dropping more money on one of those pricey external chargers with a screen :P | 06:20 |
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| johnx | Nokia: bring back chargers that are a litle more beefy | 06:24 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: charging circuit? | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | johnx: that's the binary blob on your N800 | 06:32 |
| johnx | i mean the physical hardware in the n800 | 06:32 |
| johnx | ...that charges the battery | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | you're sure it's not the blob/ | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | ? | 06:32 |
| johnx | pretty sure | 06:33 |
| johnx | it charged intermittently and now won't detect whether the charger is plugged in | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | pretty sure that's the blob's job | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | figure out how to force it :D | 06:34 |
| johnx | what about when the tablet is off? | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | dunno | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | how about you get a new one and mail me that one? ;) | 06:35 |
| johnx | well, I assume that the blob isn't running when the kernel isn't running ... soooo I would assume it's a hardware thing | 06:35 |
| johnx | if my tablet is toast it just means I won't be able to test stuff on it ...which will make me cranky, but luckily my zaurus is still going strong | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | I still haven't found mine :/ | 06:37 |
| johnx | I'm leaning towards it being a problem with the wall charger though :) | 06:38 |
| johnx | which would mean my tablet ate this charger alive in less an a month :) | 06:40 |
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| zakkm | johnx: i use my old nokia phone charger for my n800, works perfectly? | 06:45 |
| johnx | yeah. It's a little tough finding Nokia chargers here... | 06:45 |
| zakkm | oh | 06:45 |
| zakkm | i live in toronto, canada XD | 06:45 |
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| jaem_ | johnx: maybe a dumb question, but did you try cleaning the contacts? I've had those symptoms caused by that before | 07:50 |
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| AStorm | hello | 08:16 |
| AStorm | what was qwerty12's server address again? | 08:16 |
| vabgeo | http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/ is this what u want? | 08:18 |
| b1ackdeath | has any one ported vnstat for the tablets yet? | 08:19 |
| AStorm | vabgeo, yes | 08:20 |
| b1ackdeath | anyone? or alternative ? | 08:22 |
| AStorm | vncstat? or what? | 08:23 |
| b1ackdeath | vnstat | 08:23 |
| b1ackdeath | http://humdi.net/vnstat/ | 08:23 |
| AStorm | hmm, nice, I don't think anyone has ported that | 08:25 |
| b1ackdeath | damn | 08:25 |
| AStorm | as NIT is not a router :> | 08:25 |
| b1ackdeath | i know i was gonna use it to monitor my ppp0 bandwith | 08:26 |
| b1ackdeath | so i know how much i am using | 08:26 |
| AStorm | b1ackdeath, should just be a recompile though | 08:26 |
| b1ackdeath | yeah the dependences are messing me up | 08:26 |
| AStorm | what are they? | 08:27 |
| b1ackdeath | libc6 , libgcc1 | 08:27 |
| b1ackdeath | i found a armel port but i cant get it to work http://packages.debian.org/lenny/armel/vnstat | 08:28 |
| AStorm | uhm... | 08:28 |
| AStorm | both are in | 08:29 |
| AStorm | you need to rebuild the package | 08:29 |
| AStorm | I suggest grabbing a person with access to maemo buildbot | 08:29 |
| AStorm | and having them submit the source deb | 08:29 |
| b1ackdeath | alright | 08:30 |
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| AStorm | assuming there is one | 08:30 |
| b1ackdeath | hmhmmh | 08:30 |
| AStorm | alternatively, build it yourself in the scratchbox | 08:30 |
| b1ackdeath | i'll give that a shot | 08:31 |
| AStorm | the lenny package is for the same eabi - should work if force-installed | 08:32 |
| AStorm | ah, failure | 08:35 |
| AStorm | we have an older version of glibc here | 08:35 |
| b1ackdeath | hmhmh | 08:35 |
| AStorm | mer and fremantle will be much fresher though | 08:36 |
| AStorm | and mer is compatible with ubuntu jaunty by design | 08:36 |
| b1ackdeath | this is true yet i have get to install mer tho | 08:36 |
| AStorm | if you want to temporarily break your device, sure :) | 08:37 |
| AStorm | it still needs a lot of bug catching | 08:37 |
| b1ackdeath | well on a not on the same partition tho | 08:39 |
| AStorm | might work, yes | 08:40 |
| AStorm | but I'm not sure if it doesn't have a newer kernel | 08:41 |
| b1ackdeath | hmhm | 08:42 |
| AStorm | flashing the kernel and initfs is simple though | 08:42 |
| AStorm | I guess I'll install Mer myself too. | 08:43 |
| b1ackdeath | yeah i dont think i will be going that far just for one program | 08:43 |
| AStorm | mer still *is* the future of maemo (except fremantle, which will be for next nokia NIT at first) | 08:44 |
| AStorm | s/nokia NIT/NIT/ | 08:44 |
| infobot | AStorm meant: mer still *is* the future of maemo (except fremantle, which will be for next NIT at first) | 08:44 |
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| jaem_ | AStorm: are you suffering from RAS Syndrome? :P | 08:46 |
| jaem_ | (Redundant Acronym Syndrome Syndrome) | 08:47 |
| AStorm | nah | 08:47 |
| AStorm | although it does rarely happen to me | 08:47 |
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| RST38h | ehlo AStorm | 09:56 |
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| AStorm | RST38h, 301 Host denied | 10:04 |
| AStorm | ;) | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: is zenity in chinook too btw? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: alive? | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, morning. http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/z/zenity/ | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 10:39 |
| * Stskeeps decided to go with .install for the sake of 0.7, and extras-devel in 0.8 | 10:40 | |
| Stskeeps | even though i'll prolly get murdered for that | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | How come you aren't just putting it in extras-devel now? | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | i had slightly less time than calculated cos of my fiancées masters thesis defense and all her family and friends coming over :P | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | and there's some things i agree with fanoush should be altered before we bring it to more mainstream | 10:43 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe :P, I'm sure the extras police forgive you ;) | 10:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: yes | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: might have to follow http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=259961&postcount=57 | 10:44 |
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| Meiz_n810 | k | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | sure you have latest evdev? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | (check version for me will you) | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | i notice extras.install from ~extras show no "distribution" or release name | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | does it automatically pick up 'diablo' or 'chinook'? | 10:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i installed mer yesterday when you asked | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, a blank distribution field in app manager equals whatever you're running (diablo/chinook) | 10:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | not sure if it's the latest | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: k - dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-evdev | 10:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | http://pastebin.com/m1b38f284 | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -s :P | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | bloody long versions | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -s xserver-xorg-input-evdev that si | 10:51 |
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| Meiz_n810 | http://pastebin.com/m7f22ce92 | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | thank you | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok, is the right one | 10:55 |
| * Meiz_n810 moifies his xmodmap-keymap a bit... | 10:57 | |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, just wondering where the code for it is | 10:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | code for what? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | pondering if he forgot to add it | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | basically Fn is keycode 464 and X only supports keycodes < 255 | 10:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | hmm | 10:59 |
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| Meizirkki | hi thopiekar | 11:03 |
| Meizirkki | have you seen this? http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/mer-ui-the-beginning/ | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: you busy later today? i will need someone to test 0.8 prerelease quickly so | 11:09 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i believe there's nothing in the way | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll start generating images now then, after testing johnx's new packages | 11:11 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:44 |
| Meizirkki | morning | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | morning Jaffa | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: think installation works OK after johnx's latest changes | 11:46 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: excellent! | 11:47 |
| Jaffa | BTW, is first-setup going to a bg in 0.7? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | Fremantle's dialogues-at-bottom makes it look a little... unbalanced | 11:49 |
| Jaffa | s/a bg/have a background/ | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | checking.. | 11:49 |
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| Jaffa | Could be a 0.8 thing, with some wazd love - not just a splash but a flashy "self-advert" | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes, 0.7 has a bg, the wallpaper | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | in f-b-w | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | Ah, cool. | 11:51 |
| * Jaffa just had black in that image you gave me, IIRC | 11:51 | |
| Stskeeps | a commit got lost so :) | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | cool stuff | 11:51 |
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| RST38h | moo sts | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | moo, RST38h | 11:53 |
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| * RST38h loves that n810 vs n97 thread on itt | 11:57 | |
| aquatix | ooh | 11:57 |
| * Jucato is reminded to start lurking in itt | 11:57 | |
| RST38h | "n810 has a cli and can mount external cdroms, so it is much better and nokia should sell it instead of n97!" | 11:58 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: lol | 11:58 |
| aquatix | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25596 ? | 11:58 |
| RST38h | some people just never ever learn | 11:58 |
| aquatix | ah, found it | 12:00 |
| * aquatix reads | 12:00 | |
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| aquatix | Maybe the N97 is a better MID than the N810. | 12:03 |
| aquatix | wtf | 12:03 |
| aquatix | the N97 is a *phone* | 12:03 |
| aquatix | which i will use happily along with my n810 and/or rx51 | 12:04 |
| aquatix | (preferably the latter) | 12:04 |
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| * Stskeeps pokes maemo-select-location with a stick | 12:15 | |
| * lcukx41 wakes up | 12:16 | |
| X-Fade | morning | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: on maemo? | 12:16 |
| qwerty12 | morning X-Fade | 12:16 |
| lcukx41 | mornin x-fade | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | Ugh, pre coffee. | 12:17 |
| aquatix | morning all :) | 12:17 |
| * aquatix hands X-Fade a nice cup of strong coffee | 12:17 | |
| qwerty12 | hi aquatix | 12:17 |
| lcukx41 | yeah x-fade, clean your teeth as well | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | lcukx41: Well, did that part already :) | 12:17 |
| aquatix | ugh, indeed | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Thanks. I needed that.. | 12:17 |
| lcukx41 | aquatix: enough water in the kettle for another? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: do me a favour and when you're in maemo, install http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merinstaller.install after uninstalling Mer installer, and see if you can make it install and show up in Utilities? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | i suspect my tablet setup is wrecked | 12:19 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: sure | 12:19 |
| * aquatix hands lcukx41 a nice cup of strong coffee too | 12:19 | |
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| lcukx41 | cool, i hope its so strong the spoon stands up | 12:19 |
| * lcukx41 had little sleep | 12:20 | |
| aquatix | the spoon almost melts in it | 12:20 |
| lcukx41 | :D mmmm molten stainless steel | 12:20 |
| lcukx41 | zingy! | 12:21 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: oki | 12:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, when you have no desktop file in the merinstaller package (looking at merinstaller_1.9.5-mer2_armel.deb), I wouldn't really expect maemo-select-menu-location to work ;) | 12:22 |
| lcukx41 | i had my 810 in the pocket of my combats yesterday and nearly smashed it to smithereens | 12:22 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: gives that extra zing to your coffee | 12:22 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: ick | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: eh. no desktop file? | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | ffs. | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nothing else either tbh | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 12:22 |
| lcukx41 | the pocket was near my knee, i wont be doin that again | 12:23 |
| lcukx41 | does the merinstaller package work in diablo, and will it work with a 1gb card? | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, you may just find it a lot easier to use dh_install for this rather than your Makefile setup | 12:24 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, possibly. feel free to contribute better packaging :P | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | Fine, I've done enough cleaning of my transmission package for now :P | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | you should definately have a "make conic stay at these APs" | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | btw, xchat would be nice with reconnecting to server when it notices AP has disconnected or changed | 12:26 |
| lcukx41 | it does doesnt it? when it times out | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | lcukx41: takes quite a while | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | That's not a bad idea, I'm always reconnecting manually | 12:27 |
| lcukx41 | yeah sts, but thats the internet as a whole | 12:27 |
| lcukx41 | if it was too eager you would be kicked out every 10 seconds | 12:27 |
| lcukx41 | half the internet is unstable | 12:27 |
| lcukx41 | the other half is under x-fades control ;) | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | Heh, not even close :) | 12:29 |
| lcukx41 | we are gonna have talk.maemo.org for the forums, why cant we have irc.maemo.org? | 12:29 |
| lcukx41 | x-fade :) trying to help your ego :P | 12:29 |
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| lcukx41 | but i dont know anyone who knows enough about irc to be able to set something like that up | 12:30 |
| lcukx41 | do you know anyone like that Stskeeps :P ? | 12:30 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, Freenode's a lot bigger than what irc.maemo.org would be and with more servers. Seems kinda lame imho to have an entire server for one chan | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | lcukx41: the amount of trouble needed to run a maemo.org network and the political problems it brings with it and the problem of attracting interesting new people .. | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | is bigger than the benefit | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, freenode is good enough atm.. | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | i'm willing to bet we are attracting a lot of people to maemo community just by the size of this channel | 12:31 |
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| * lcukx41 knows its inpractical :P | 12:33 | |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, mind if I change rootsh dependency to "rootsh | becomeroot | easyroot"? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | go ahead, just as long as they work as the same | 12:41 |
| * Stskeeps uploads mer3 | 12:42 | |
| qwerty12 | yeah, I did a quick grep and the only thing used from rootsh is "sudo gainroot" which is provided by the other 2 as well. By doing rootsh | becomeroot | easyroot, it opens it up a bit to people | 12:42 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: Merinstaller is now installed, but it seems to not show up on menu | 12:43 |
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| lcukx41 | does the merinstaller remove itself once you have done it once? or does it remain always - ive got an over active 6 year old who clicks lots of random things | 12:48 |
| Meizirkki | it doesn't remove itself | 12:50 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m19ddaa46 | 12:51 |
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| lcukx41 | Meizirkki: i suppose he could install it himself :D | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: grab mer3 | 12:54 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I've marked the "work out HAM brokenness" task to the green block and marked it completed | 12:55 |
| Jaffa | Is there a package of zenvoid's sounds for 0.7? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | k, you can check vm, sec | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 12:56 |
| lcukx41 | jaffa top banana! | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: since we don't have sound yet ;) | 12:57 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: you want me to test merinstaller mer3 version? | 13:00 |
| * aquatix boots Mer 0.6 in virtualbox | 13:00 | |
| Meizirkki | .install-file worked btw. | 13:00 |
| aquatix | hm, those install dialogs don't accept enter | 13:01 |
| rzr | aquatix: which image ? | 13:01 |
| aquatix | 0.6 | 13:02 |
| aquatix | the official virtualbox image from the Mer site | 13:02 |
| rzr | ok i have it too | 13:03 |
| aquatix | it's damn snappy on my machine though :) | 13:04 |
| rzr | i plan to flash it to my 770 | 13:04 |
| rzr | but i have only 512MB | 13:05 |
| aquatix | SD card? | 13:05 |
| rzr | 770 has rsmmc slot | 13:05 |
| aquatix | oh | 13:05 |
| aquatix | hm | 13:05 |
| aquatix | indeed | 13:05 |
| rzr | http://www2.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5091 | 13:08 |
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| aquatix | heh, nice | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: just see if it installs OK, as in, not mer install, but installer itself | 13:13 |
| Meizirkki | okay | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | it points to a missing URL so | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: ctrl-m :P | 13:14 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: how's that intuitive? :) | 13:14 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: is mer-armel-installer-v0.6.deb the mer3? | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: if .install worked then mer3 did :) | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: Maemo weird thing | 13:19 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i uninstalled merinstaller. then installed it again with .install file. Now i have mer2 version and it doesn't work.. http://pastebin.com/m19ddaa46 | 13:20 |
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| lcukx41 | can we make a viable proposal for using n8x0 in space? i wanna go on a zero g flight :D | 13:21 |
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| lcukx41 | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/31/0710235 | 13:21 |
| lcukx41 | "testing whether n810 gps can lock when closer to the constellation" | 13:22 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 13:22 |
| lcukx41 | :D x-chat during shuttle liftoff | 13:23 |
| jaska | i wonder how confused gps-receivers get when theyre near or above the constellation? | 13:25 |
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| lcukx41 | jaska, depends on how many sats it can see, but from what i know with 2 or 3 reference points you have 2 roots for the solution, but once you get 4 you are only left with 1 reasonable conclusion, but the chipset designers mightv hardcoded it out | 13:27 |
| lcukx41 | to stop accidental miscalculations when you are around building and having unfortunate echos | 13:27 |
| lcukx41 | "you are at 470000 miles above earth" | 13:27 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | morning lardman | 13:28 |
| lcukx41 | morning lardman | 13:28 |
| jaska | many crippled chips dont work after 18km | 13:28 |
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| lardman | jaska: 18km high? | 13:28 |
| lcukx41 | its just a reasonable limit to the calculation | 13:28 |
| jaska | yeah... the actual limit for us-made ones is 60kft and some speed (500km/h or such?) to avoid making cheap cruise missiles | 13:29 |
| lcukx41 | yeah lardman, i mentioned nasa are offering free zero g flights i nreturn for a viable space tech proposal | 13:29 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 13:29 |
| jaska | ahh, 999 knots | 13:30 |
| jaska | but many of them just stop working above the limit because the manufacturers were too cheap | 13:30 |
| lcukx41 | its just outside the reasonable bounds | 13:30 |
| lcukx41 | there arent many people who need tomtom in their rocket | 13:30 |
| lcukx41 | "please make a u-turn as soon as possible" | 13:31 |
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| jaska | warning, speed camera? | 13:31 |
| lardman | http://www.gpsy.com/gpsinfo/gps-faq.txt section 1.8 | 13:31 |
| jaska | not all of the chips adhere to those limits and some have hackable firmware | 13:31 |
| lardman | well this might need to go above 60k' http://www.members.shaw.ca/sonde/ | 13:32 |
| lcukx41 | yeah jaska, but realistically its not needed | 13:32 |
| jaska | well, if you do balloons etc the 18km limit will bite | 13:32 |
| lcukx41 | lardman, would your rockets break the bounds? | 13:33 |
| lardman | lcukx41: no, only small motors | 13:33 |
| lcukx41 | multicore! | 13:33 |
| lardman | couple of thousand feet I guess, but no payload for that | 13:33 |
| jaska | thres also the 6G acceleration limit | 13:33 |
| lcukx41 | have you seen the waterpowered jetpack ? | 13:33 |
| lcukx41 | looks AWESOME! | 13:33 |
| lardman | lcukx41: no, do you have a url? | 13:33 |
| lcukx41 | i would love to go in the open water with it and fly across the ocean | 13:33 |
| lcukx41 | http://www.break.com/index/amazing-new-water-powered-jet-pack.html | 13:34 |
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| lardman | lol, that is cool! | 13:37 |
| lcukx41 | its awesome! | 13:37 |
| aquatix | awesome | 13:41 |
| lcukx41 | i have installed komodo edit on my ubuntu system here, but its got no menu entry (it was a .tar.gz install) it runs fine from the console - can i just add a menu entry for it? (still used to shortcuts) | 13:43 |
| lardman | ah, going back to the 1000kt, 18km limits: http://www.armscontrol.org/documents/mtcr | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | lcukx41, Yes, System> Preferences > Main Menu > New Item | 13:44 |
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| lcukx41 | thanks qwerty | 13:46 |
| lcukx41 | lardman, that site lists all the things you cant use - but it looks more like a shopping list for an aeger terrorist | 13:46 |
| lcukx41 | eager | 13:46 |
| lardman | yeah | 13:48 |
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| lcukx41 | if i wanted to do dev from both maemo side and from x86 using the same folder thats ok isnt it | 13:55 |
| lcukx41 | ie sftp from ubuntu and ensure the x86 port works but using the same source as currently does | 13:55 |
| lcukx41 | ahh mind you that screws up the binaries | 13:56 |
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| des^ | I am testing a programm with sratchbox/xephyr, I want to test if I can open a file, where do I need to put my file that it shows up in one of the folders from the open dialog? | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | /home/$USER/MyDocs | 14:03 |
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| des^ | ah thanks | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | aquatix: feel like testing a vmdk? | 14:19 |
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| wazd | lo everybody | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 14:28 |
| wazd | oh, maemo podcast on air, nice | 14:29 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: sure, but i don't have much time left today | 14:34 |
| aquatix | i can download now though | 14:34 |
| Macer | season 5 of boston legal was awful | 14:37 |
| * wazd read bout .apng format. Wazd's happy :) | 14:39 | |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: nah, it's ok, new release tomorrow anyhow | 14:40 |
| aquatix | ah, great | 14:40 |
| aquatix | keep me posted :) | 14:40 |
| aquatix | a ping will suffice | 14:40 |
| aquatix | i will likely not be here today anymore | 14:40 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: downloading now | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:11 |
| Macer | wow | 15:13 |
| Macer | getting this damn dmg onto a bootable usb drive is a bitch | 15:13 |
| Macer | i seriously have to look around for my osx dvds | 15:14 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: that email ok? as I'm off now | 15:56 |
| lardman | anyway, seems so, have a nice weekend all, might be back on tomorrow | 15:58 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, my pick stands. I'm too lazy to send another email for now. :p | 16:16 |
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| johnx | w00. new charger | 16:17 |
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| GAN800 | johnx, fix the issue, then? | 16:20 |
| johnx | yup :D | 16:20 |
| johnx | it was actually the simple little plug adapter that was b0rken | 16:21 |
| johnx | my n800 is happily charging now, thank goodness | 16:23 |
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| johnx | RST38h, I've got a phone for you: http://tinyurl.com/ded76f | 16:27 |
| MaceN800 | putting osx back on the macbook | 16:28 |
| lcuk | has netcraft confirmed it? | 16:28 |
| MaceN800 | sucks | 16:28 |
| MaceN800 | just for an adhoc | 16:28 |
| lcuk | MaceN800, what did you have on it | 16:29 |
| MaceN800 | kubuntu | 16:29 |
| MaceN800 | wiped osx from it | 16:29 |
| johnx | why didn't you just resize? | 16:29 |
| MaceN800 | dont like dual booting | 16:31 |
| MaceN800 | i kinda hate osx | 16:31 |
| johnx | then why did you buy a mac? | 16:32 |
| MaceN800 | got it for $400 | 16:32 |
| wazd | whoa, 21:9 screen is kinda awesome | 16:32 |
| MaceN800 | 21:9? | 16:32 |
| MaceN800 | wtf? | 16:32 |
| wazd | http://blogs.zdnet.com/home-theater/?p=259 | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: bah, you sent another email :-) | 16:32 |
| MaceN800 | super ultra wide screen? | 16:32 |
| wazd | thats cinema ratio I think | 16:33 |
| mavhc | 21:9 is 2.33:1, anamorphic films are 2.35:1, widescreen are 1.85:1 | 16:34 |
| lcuk | my god, if regular users get hold of that, they will STILL render regular broadcast definition to it. and worst of all - they will use the "stretch" formatting cos they dont wanna waste space | 16:35 |
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| lcuk | "i bought a big wide tv and by god im gonna use it" | 16:36 |
| lcuk | they dont care if it looks like pancake head city | 16:36 |
| mavhc | heh, google's added This Site May Harm your computer to every result | 16:36 |
| lcuk | stop searching for"virus installer" then | 16:37 |
| mavhc | I test searched for [Google] | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | oh yeah | 16:38 |
| lcuk | i use a nomiddleman script usually to cut out redirects so never notices | 16:38 |
| lcuk | d | 16:38 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, managed to get a free moment at the computer. ;) | 16:38 |
| MaceN800 | lcuk, haha | 16:40 |
| MaceN800 | yah. stretching kinnda sucks | 16:40 |
| mavhc | people don't care about quality | 16:41 |
| sisto1 | i guess it's a disclaimer, every site may harm your computer | 16:41 |
| mavhc | this site contains so much javascript it may overheat your computer | 16:42 |
| jaska | googles skynet went nuts | 16:42 |
| MaceN800 | java | 16:42 |
| MaceN800 | what an abortion | 16:42 |
| mavhc | yeah, java's so slow it won't even run real time games on my low end phone | 16:43 |
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| wazd | okay, I think I have enough technology to kick every weather applet's ass with OMWeather :) | 16:49 |
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| wazd | HTC will beg for mercy >:D | 16:50 |
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| Jaffa | Any Greasemonkey scripts yet for getting rid of that irritating waste of space | 16:55 |
| mavhc | which? | 16:56 |
| Jaffa | Ah, it's broken malware. Google for "Google" and you get a whole load of phishing site warnings | 16:56 |
| Jaffa | mortti: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jaffa&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | s/mortti/mavhc/ | 16:57 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: mavhc: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jaffa&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a | 16:57 |
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| Jaffa | Top story on /. | 16:59 |
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| mavhc | doesn't top = latest anyway? | 16:59 |
| lcuk | jaffa, i use something evolved from nomiddleman - its a greasemonkey script which gets rid of redirects :) | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/31/1457221 | 17:00 |
| lcuk | top story on tech. | 17:01 |
| lcuk | just hit the front now | 17:01 |
| lcuk | you must be a subby :P | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: that image you sent me does *not* have an auto-present ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager so installation would still be broken. | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: nope, maybe just a cache issue | 17:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, can't you just set the assume connection flag directly in the source? | 17:03 |
| johnx | Jaffa, hmm? let me make sure I committed that | 17:03 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: I could, but a real replacement for libconic/icd should be done | 17:03 |
| lcuk | jaffa http://commons.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/Greasemonkey_Hacks/Linkmania!#Remove_URL_Redirections | 17:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, yeah, I've been moaning about conic :) | 17:04 |
| des^ | some hacked google *lol* | 17:05 |
| des^ | *one | 17:05 |
| johnx | Jaffa, can you run apt-cache poilcy hildon-desktop-env ? | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | johnx: yup, one sec | 17:07 |
| Meizirkki | Jaffa: app-manager not working for you in Mer? | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | johnx: 0.2-10 is only one available, and it's the installed version | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | Meizirkki: the 'assume-connection 1' tweak wasn't in the vmdk image Stskeeps sent me this morning | 17:09 |
| johnx | can you grep -i assume /usr/bin/start-hildon ? | 17:09 |
| Meizirkki | Jaffa: k | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | johnx: Yeah, seems to be in there. I'll debug the command - I did write it without testing. It's also in there twice, BTW | 17:10 |
| johnx | heh | 17:11 |
| johnx | yeah, just noticed that too | 17:11 |
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| dick-richardson | great job on FLOSS Weekly! | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | johnx: hmm, it's there now. WTF | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | johnx: ahhhh, hang on - does first-boot-wizard go through start-hildon? I've rebooted and now it's working | 17:12 |
| johnx | the process goes: x starts -> f-b-w > x starts again -> star-hildon | 17:12 |
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| Jaffa | johnx: hmm. Very odd then, at end of f-b-w, there was no ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager. Closed down tidily with sudo shutdown -h now; you asked me to check policy; so I restarted VirtualBox and the file was now present. | 17:15 |
| johnx | ah, durr :) | 17:16 |
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| johnx | ~/.osso doesn't exist when start-hildon is run first :) | 17:17 |
| infobot | johnx: that's too long | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | johnx: ah, I wondered if that might be it | 17:17 |
| johnx | I'll fix it right now | 17:17 |
| johnx | did Stskeeps already build 0.7 images? | 17:17 |
| t_s_o | odd, as a experiment i have both advanced battery and the default battery icon displayed, and the default keeps getting highlighted, as if it was tapped and displaying the time calculation... | 17:18 |
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| Jaffa | johnx: no, just a current state for testing | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | johnx: stick a mkdir in at the top of start-hildon and remove the duped line? | 17:19 |
| johnx | yup | 17:19 |
| johnx | in progress | 17:19 |
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| Jaffa | johnx: cool, ta. | 17:21 |
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| t_s_o | heh, reading old userfriendly strips produce some interesting thoughts... | 17:25 |
| t_s_o | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980713&mode=classic | 17:25 |
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| t_s_o | wonder why personal menu suddenly decided to not show the mnotes icon... | 17:27 |
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| zeenix | timeless: why don't you want to disclose your name? | 17:49 |
| zeenix | timeless: http://wiki.maemo.org/FOSDEM_2009 | 17:50 |
| gomiam | zeenix: please understand, timeless has little kids, and there is no easy way to explain being a Maemo software developer ;) | 17:54 |
| zeenix | gomiam: right | 17:54 |
| gomiam | O:-) | 17:55 |
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| StOrM_NW | hey all, i having troubles to integrate dbus with hildondesktop.StatusbarItem ... any website explaining the process ... i m programming in python | 18:28 |
| StOrM_NW | any help really appreciate | 18:28 |
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| Meiz_mer | epiphany-gecko works so well.. xulrunner have probably been updated lately. | 18:46 |
| mikkov_ | StOrM_NW: you could probably use advanced-power as an example | 18:46 |
| StOrM_NW | ok, thanks | 18:46 |
| StOrM_NW | mikkov_, what' s the name of the package that contains advanced-power ... so i can get the source? | 18:48 |
| mikkov_ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/advanced-power/ | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: worked for me but ok if we COA | 19:28 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, so far it really looks like swapping out those noname SD's with kingston ones helped my standby time | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: HDE safe now? | 20:17 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: COA? | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, bbiab droppin tracy in manchester | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: cover our asses;) | 20:29 |
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| * wazd don't know what he wants( | 20:32 | |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: i'll be uploading merinstaller_1.9.6-1mer3 - this new version includes an updated icon and is now built with the dpkg-buildpackage method ;) | 20:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: money? =) | 20:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, that's an option :) | 20:38 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm just sitting and watching 256x256 white square) | 20:39 |
| timelE61i | hEy, who owned mer's xchat? | 20:40 |
| sp3000 | the x button owned mer's xchat | 20:41 |
| * timelE61i wants to know if it was fixed | 20:41 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i, me | 20:42 |
| timelE61i | otherwise i need to file bugs after dinner | 20:42 |
| timelE61i | Qwerty: can i give you bugs via irc or do you want official ones? | 20:42 |
| * timelE61i sighs | 20:42 | |
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| * timelE61i asked for salmon and pasta | 20:42 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i, are these bugs specific to Mer's xchat? | 20:43 |
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| timelE61i | sp3000: what part of that means "seafood w/ shrimp" in this strange land of yours? | 20:43 |
| timelE61i | Qwerty: i don't use xchat anywhere else | 20:43 |
| timelE61i | One is a path botch some places had /home/timeless and some /home/user | 20:44 |
| timelE61i | That seems mer-ish | 20:44 |
| timelE61i | The other was the big x button in the bottom left corner which causes the app to die | 20:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | urgh. that is bad. | 20:45 |
| timelE61i | The browser doesn't have such a button, not even in full screen | 20:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thanks, I'll note those bugs down :). Got any more for me? :) | 20:46 |
| timelE61i | Dunno, sp3000, did i? | 20:46 |
| timelE61i | The status area behavior is imo unfortunate | 20:47 |
| timelE61i | Single tap to hide the app... | 20:47 |
| sp3000 | those are the two I remember | 20:47 |
| timelE61i | It's very un-maemo | 20:47 |
| timelE61i | Oh, the pain to <enter> thing | 20:47 |
| timelE61i | Could you respond to both enter and return? | 20:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that should be doable | 20:48 |
| timelE61i | My laptop doesn't have a numpad which made actually using xchat painful | 20:49 |
| timelE61i | :) | 20:50 |
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| b-man | merinstaller 1.9.6-mer3 uploaded to http://trac.tspre.org/bman/merinstaller-mer3/merinstaller_1.9.6-mer3_armel.deb | 20:54 |
| timelE61i | oDD Versioning... | 20:56 |
| b-man | hehe | 20:56 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: k, give me the differences using bzr diff instead | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | or ask to join mer-committers | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | cos i did some changes earlier | 21:07 |
| b-man | ok, i'll join mer-committers :) | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | and then bzr get lp:~mer-committers/m-r/merinstaller, apply your changes, bzr commit -m "log message" ; bzr push lp:~mer-committers/m-r/merinstaller to share with us others | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | did you fix https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4059 too? | 21:10 |
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| b-man | i not yet, i'm working on it ;) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/merinstaller | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | what changes i did | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: besides the problem there was with the packaging, and the current "no fat" problem, there's nothing otherwise wrong? | 21:21 |
| b-man | besides the bootmenu item creation prosess (witch i havn't tested), i don't believe so | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:25 |
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| b-man | hmm, it looks like merinstaller interrupts after it asks for a wget url.. | 21:28 |
| dob | b-man: do you still download the file to disk first? | 21:29 |
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| b-man | dob: yes | 21:30 |
| dob | b-man: I found you could just stay with wget by doing 'wget -O - url | tar xzf -' | 21:30 |
| b-man | thanks | 21:31 |
| * b-man adds that to his next version of merinstaller ;) | 21:32 | |
| dob | b-man: though the man page says "Including this option automatically sets the number of tries to 1." | 21:32 |
| dob | I wonder why that is... :/ | 21:32 |
| b-man | hmm | 21:33 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: i dont seem to have that problem in 1.9.6-mer3.. hmm... | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yeah, get the bzr and use that as reference | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | heh, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7 so far :P big list | 21:39 |
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| timeless | hey, does mer have a .ico? | 21:42 |
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| b-man | you mean iso image? | 21:43 |
| timeless | no i mean a .ico for my vmware shortcut | 21:43 |
| * timeless goes to find the .ico editor on this system | 21:44 | |
| Stskeeps | didn't make such a small one yet :P | 21:44 |
| * timeless can't remember where it lives | 21:44 | |
| timeless | um, you should make a .ico w/ 16x,32x,48x,64x | 21:44 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, wazd can prolly be convinced in some way :P | 21:45 |
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| * b-man applys for mer-committers and waits for Stskeeps for Stskeeps to approve the membership | 21:48 | |
| b-man | ahhh, i hate this keyboard | 21:48 |
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| timeless | hey | 22:13 |
| timeless | where should i put a .ico? | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | Bah, Midgard page editing is *really* slow on maemo.org atm | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | timeless: to do what? | 22:13 |
| timeless | for people to have | 22:13 |
| * timeless tries to remember which password the maemo.org wiki uses | 22:14 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | when you find out, let us know please | 22:15 |
| timeless | WTF | 22:16 |
| timeless | you can't upload .ico's to the wiki? | 22:16 |
| timeless | ok, how do i upload a .ico to this stupid wiki? :) | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | What are the URLs to the Extras repo install files? | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | timeless: turn it into a PNG | 22:18 |
| timeless | jaffa: that defeats the purpose | 22:18 |
| timeless | png's generally only have 1 frame at 1 res | 22:18 |
| timeless | ico's let you have N frames at N res's | 22:18 |
| timeless | ok, i give up, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mer.ico | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, the installs for the individual packages? | 22:23 |
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| timeless | qwerty: so... when do i get a new xchat? :) | 22:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, when i'm at a computer with free time :) | 22:24 |
| timeless_mer | ok | 22:24 |
| RST38h | azerty12: helo | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fxt38h: ehlo | 22:25 |
| timeless | qwerty: hey... | 22:25 |
| timeless | could you get xchat to have a second line in the task list? | 22:25 |
| * RST38h is heroically forcing himself to work on 65816 core and failing | 22:25 | |
| timeless | preferably w/ the rest of the window title | 22:25 |
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| Meiz_n810 | My n810 has some problem. it refuses to mount internal card :( | 22:26 |
| RST38h | headers - done. main() - done. memory layout manager - done. smc loader - done. | 22:26 |
| RST38h | cpu core - @%^$#$^ | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, I've been wanting to figure that one out actually for a while and keep on failing :/ | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, ouch :/ | 22:26 |
| timeless | fwiw, mer isn't very fast on my poor laptop :( | 22:27 |
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| timeless | people wondered if i was emulating arm | 22:27 |
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| timeless | it was quite embarassing | 22:27 |
| RST38h | The whole 65816 datasheet looks like a manual on how to fuck up your CPU architecture | 22:27 |
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| Meiz_n810 | filemanager says my internal sd is broken | 22:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | it's not | 22:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | it works only if i mount it manually | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is your swap file corrupt? | 22:30 |
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| Meiz_n810 | qwerty: nope | 22:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | but swap isn't used automatically. | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | in maemo? | 22:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | yes | 22:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | http://pastebin.com/m769c70f7 | 22:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | does that look correct? | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | in maemo, if there is a /media/mmc2/.swap file, it is always enabled at boot time or when inserting a memory card in the internal slot (on N800) with a .swap file | 22:33 |
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| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12_N800: i am using cloned maemo, does that kill internal memorycard automount? | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it didn't for me | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | it used to work for me too earlier... | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | is there a possibility to run commands automatically when maemo boots? | 22:42 |
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| timeless | you should be able to attach a usb cable | 22:43 |
| timeless | and then destroy the .swap file before the os really boots | 22:43 |
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| Meiz_n810 | so there _is_ .swap file? | 22:44 |
| timeless | i wouldn't know | 22:44 |
| timeless | but if there is one... | 22:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have just formatted that card, no .swap there. | 22:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | But i can make personal-menu item for mounting the internal SD :P | 22:45 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has fun with the joys of shell scripting & zenity. I knew there was a reason I uploaded zenity to Extras ;) | 22:48 | |
| timeless | "No settings available" | 22:49 |
| * b-man jumps in joy when his linux magazine finaly arrives | 22:50 | |
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| b-man | woho, i got an ubuntu 8.10 install disk :D | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Make a mail client! In bash! =) | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, i can't promise that it would work better than modest :p | 22:58 |
| RST38h | qwerty: making it work better than modest shouldn't be that difficult... | 22:59 |
| timeless | heh | 23:00 |
| * timeless chuckles | 23:00 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 23:01 |
| timeless | "%s wants to add you to his contact list. Allow this and also add %s to your " | 23:02 |
| timeless | "contact list?" | 23:02 |
| * timeless thought nokia was very careful about gender issues | 23:02 | |
| timeless | oh wow | 23:04 |
| timeless | we have a dialog w/ yes/no in it? what's this world coming to? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | quick, change it to cancel/allow | 23:04 |
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| * timeless rotfl | 23:05 | |
| timeless | we have code which knows the difference between 1 and !1 | 23:05 |
| timeless | but it still uses (s) for the !1 case | 23:06 |
| * timeless frowns | 23:06 | |
| timeless | what would you call an 'mp3 file'? | 23:06 |
| timeless | is it a 'sound', a 'music file', an 'audio file', a 'clip'? | 23:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | a 'clip' makes me think of video more | 23:10 |
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| * timeless nods | 23:10 | |
| timeless | there's no way i'm using clip | 23:11 |
| timeless | clip is obviously what nokia chose :) | 23:11 |
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| timeless | so, thoughts? | 23:16 |
| lcuk | i think audio file | 23:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | a 'music file' seems a bit specific to me | 23:19 |
| timeless | If you click 'previous' | 23:19 |
| timeless | you may get an info banner: | 23:20 |
| timeless | "No previous audio file" | 23:20 |
| lcuk | question: why can you click back if there is nothing to go back to | 23:20 |
| timeless | (currently you get "No previous clips" [plural for no reason, other than to annoy me and be wrong..]" | 23:20 |
| timeless | in the browser? | 23:20 |
| lcuk | surely the UI should disable the button in that instance unless its wrapping round | 23:20 |
| lcuk | you are using the browser for listening to your mp3 files now? | 23:21 |
| * lcuk just makes some toast in the kettle | 23:21 | |
| timeless | where can you click back? | 23:22 |
| timeless | the nokia ui spec says that we give feedback whenever you click disabled widgets | 23:22 |
| timeless | so people have to invent useless text for such cases | 23:22 |
| Proteous | toast in a kettle? | 23:22 |
| Proteous | I hate greyed out controls that you can't figure out why it won't let you use | 23:23 |
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| timeless | proteous: what, you don't like how 'chat' always says 'Not available' no matter which grayed out widget you click? | 23:24 |
| benson | Suggestion: "This button's disabled, numbskull!" | 23:24 |
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| timeless | "Just because this is a touchscreen doesn't mean you should touch everything" | 23:24 |
| benson | IMHO, while you may get more specific, you're not likely to get more useful. | 23:24 |
| benson | Maybe it's a good thing I didn't write the UI spec, though... | 23:25 |
| timeless | well, in the case i hit in chat, the reason was "User is already in contacts" | 23:25 |
| timeless | and i sure wish it could have seen that error | 23:25 |
| timeless | sadly it's a generic error string, so I, as a localizer, can't fix it | 23:25 |
| timeless | brb | 23:26 |
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| dick-richardson | is there a way to change canola to display items by date? | 23:27 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 23:29 | |
| timeless | "Unable to play sound.\n" | 23:29 |
| timeless | "Audio currently in use." | 23:29 |
| * timeless wonders what this means | 23:29 | |
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| * timeless wonders what an 'audio' is | 23:30 | |
| benson | IDK, everything gets mixed through esd and gstreamer, so you shouldn't face blocked sound device. | 23:31 |
| benson | But it sounds like that's what it means... | 23:31 |
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| * timeless selects 'Sound system is busy.' | 23:33 | |
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| * benson hesitates... then clicks Continue. | 23:35 | |
| benson | I now own an N810! | 23:35 |
| * Proteous cheers | 23:37 | |
| timeless | Title of a dialog | 23:43 |
| timeless | "Add e-mail addr." | 23:43 |
| * timeless grumbles | 23:43 | |
| lcuk | whats the spec for default title lengths though | 23:44 |
| benson | Typo, they left out the 'e' in 'adder'. | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | benson - w00t @ 810 | 23:44 |
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| benson | We'll see if I regret it... ;) | 23:45 |
| benson | But I think it'll be fun. | 23:45 |
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| genewitch | if anyone has a chance can they explain how to reset my n800? i just got it today from a user on ebay and i don't know the root password for apt-get usage, et al | 23:52 |
| genewitch | it's not "rootme" "root" or "fakeroot" | 23:52 |
| timeless | ssh-keygen -t rsa | 23:53 |
| timeless | don't give a password | 23:53 |
| genewitch | timeless: speaking to me | 23:54 |
| genewitch | ? | 23:54 |
| timeless | yes | 23:54 |
| genewitch | not found | 23:54 |
| timeless | then install http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb | 23:54 |
| timeless | um | 23:54 |
| timeless | install openssh-server | 23:55 |
| dick-richardson | or install sudser from the application manager | 23:55 |
| dick-richardson | and type sudo su - | 23:55 |
| genewitch | k | 23:55 |
| dick-richardson | then passwd and set it | 23:55 |
| timeless | lots of ways to skin the cat | 23:55 |
| dick-richardson | yep | 23:55 |
| timeless | my way lets you ssh to root@localhost and then use passwd | 23:55 |
| genewitch | awesome | 23:55 |
| dick-richardson | although, honestly I'd reflash a unit off ebay | 23:55 |
| timeless | yeah, dick's right | 23:55 |
| genewitch | dick-richardson: that will work for me | 23:56 |
| genewitch | is that howto on maemo.org | 23:56 |
| genewitch | ? | 23:56 |
| dick-richardson | yep, very straighforward | 23:56 |
| genewitch | alright | 23:56 |
| genewitch | i dont know why i am using irssi on a remote shell to talk here | 23:56 |
| timeless | oops, han just got encased in carbonite and i missed it | 23:56 |
| genewitch | sry! | 23:57 |
| dick-richardson | that's a great part | 23:57 |
| * timeless reaches for the remote | 23:57 | |
| dick-richardson | http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/10/the_5_reasons_luke_skywalker_is_a_complete_idiot.php | 23:57 |
| dick-richardson | #3 had me rolling | 23:57 |
| genewitch | where on maemo are the flashing instructions? diablo mentions it, and OS2008, but there's no link to click | 23:59 |
| dick-richardson | which os are you running on your desktop? | 23:59 |
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