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| BugBlue | GnutoN810: no I'm using the sip protocol. meaning windows messenger 5.1 which does sip | 00:27 |
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| BugBlue | GnutoN810: I'm *not* doing video over msn | 00:28 |
| BugBlue | my guts tell me that that is way more difficult | 00:28 |
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| GnutoN810 | ah, ok | 00:31 |
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| ||cw | BugBlue: well, sip is just an initiator, how difficult the rest is depends on the protocol actually used | 00:34 |
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| BugBlue | cw: h263p for video and ulaw (orf alaw) for audio | 00:44 |
| BugBlue | now I need to code video support for the SL75wlan siemens voip wlan phone | 00:45 |
| BugBlue | and some more crap so I can dialin to mjpeg security cams | 00:45 |
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| cbx33 | Hey guys | 01:04 |
| johnx | hi | 01:04 |
| cbx33 | anyone know if you can get hold of the information from the light sensor on the n810 | 01:04 |
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| johnx | yup, there is a light meter app at nitapps.com | 01:05 |
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| cbx33 | oh it just cats a file | 01:11 |
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| cbx33 | cool | 01:13 |
| cbx33 | can you cahgne the brightness | 01:13 |
| johnx | that gets more tricky | 01:13 |
| cbx33 | was thinking of hooking the two together | 01:13 |
| johnx | you can change the brightness just by echo'ing a number to another file under /sys | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | that's what I want | 01:14 |
| johnx | ...but then the Nokia program that listens to the light meter will change it back when it feels like it | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | the screen brightness? | 01:14 |
| johnx | yes | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | oh | 01:14 |
| Navi | pah | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | I didn't think it changed the screen | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | it changes keyboard leds | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | In high light conditions, I want my screen brighter | 01:15 |
| johnx | ah, I don't have an N810 so this is just AFAIK | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | ahh ok | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | johnx: you know the name of that file | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | ? | 01:15 |
| johnx | no, but I can look it up easily :) | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | oh you may be riht | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | http://blog.locationist.net/2008/01/11/n810-and-the-adaptive-screen/ | 01:16 |
| GnutoN810 | night | 01:17 |
| johnx | cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level | 01:17 |
| cbx33 | thanks johnx | 01:18 |
| johnx | sure | 01:18 |
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| cbx33 | hmmmm | 01:22 |
| cbx33 | it does seem to repond to the light | 01:22 |
| Navi | Anyone try out KOrganizer in the Garage yet? | 01:22 |
| cbx33 | but it's a little slow | 01:22 |
| cbx33 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=496 - anyone got any ideas ;) | 01:22 |
| Navi | Haha, lame | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 01:23 |
| Navi | Reminds me, I need to get my N800 into USB host | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | Navi: now that's always fun | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | anyone know about the risks of usb host? | 01:24 |
| cbx33 | as in drawing too much power | 01:25 |
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| Navi | woo hoo | 01:28 |
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| johnx | cbx33, I don't think it's terribly dangerous to draw too much power. I'm pretty sure the N8x0 just won't deliver the power if the device tries to draw too much | 01:29 |
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| Navi | hrm | 01:30 |
| johnx | you could check threads on internettablettalk.com/forums and see if anyone managed to fry their N8x0 by connecting it to a device that wanted too much | 01:30 |
| Navi | now I only need a USB keyboard to carry around in my backpack, unless there's a bluetooth keyboard that I can happen to get under five bucks :P | 01:30 |
| * Navi isn't holding out for hope | 01:30 | |
| johnx | I'll look for a nice small/cheap usb keyboard this weekend | 01:31 |
| johnx | I think I have a good shot at something reasonable | 01:32 |
| jott | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 hmm i wonder if something like this could easily be modified to serve as an usb power injector.. | 01:32 |
| johnx | could you just use it with a Y-cable? | 01:33 |
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| Navi | use a powered usb hub :P | 01:34 |
| johnx | ac powered or battery powered? | 01:34 |
| Navi | either :P | 01:34 |
| Navi | http://www.nextag.com/usb-foldable-keyboard/search-html | 01:34 |
| Navi | I'm out | 01:34 |
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| johnx | 'later | 01:35 |
| johnx | hopefully I'll find a smaller keyboard this weekend :) | 01:35 |
| jott | are there any usable battery powered usb hubs available? | 01:35 |
| johnx | also, the battery powered hub I have doesn't provide enough juice | 01:35 |
| jott | i mean using a ac powered hub would be just nuts for mobile applications ;) | 01:35 |
| johnx | well, I can tell you the one from cyberpower doesn't provide enough juice to run a 1.8" hard drive | 01:36 |
| SDuensin | You guys see the tiny little 12G hard drive TigerDirect has? I was wondering if it'd work on the 800. | 01:36 |
| jott | hm yeah thats why i thought of using some usb backup pack :) | 01:36 |
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| jott | and esp. something that can easily be recharged | 01:37 |
| jott | SDuensin: probably with a power injector :P | 01:37 |
| johnx | SDuensin, is it cheaper than a 16GB USB flash stick? | 01:37 |
| SDuensin | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3528019&CatId=2424 | 01:37 |
| SDuensin | Figured it's survive rewrites a lot better than flash. | 01:38 |
| johnx | I've killed exactly one SD card from what I assume were too many writes | 01:38 |
| johnx | because I used it as the rootfs on my zaurus and swapped heavily to it | 01:38 |
| johnx | for over 6 months | 01:38 |
| johnx | in any other circumstance I don't think it will be much of a problem | 01:39 |
| jott | i really doubt a portable hdd (with moving parts) lives much longer than a flash medium | 01:39 |
| SDuensin | Probably true. | 01:39 |
| johnx | and even now, I'm not sure that "too many writes" is what killed it | 01:39 |
| jott | johnx: do some stress tests and find out ;) | 01:39 |
| johnx | sure, donate me a card :P | 01:39 |
| jott | hehe i think i actually have some 128mb card somewhere that could be used .. ;) | 01:40 |
| johnx | newegg has 16GB usb sticks from $70... | 01:40 |
| johnx | actually, smaller cards will probably die quicker than bigger cards...or at least I would assume so | 01:41 |
| jott | pf still looking for a tiny micro usb - usb a adapter :/ | 01:41 |
| SDuensin | I keep looking at the 16G A-DATA cards on NewEgg. People reporting they work fine in the 800. 32G of space would be sweeeeet. | 01:41 |
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| By_Turkey | www.MircAlemTR.com < - < - < - Turkey GirLs Chat Channel . | 01:43 |
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| briand | SDuensin: if you have some spare cash lying around, just wait a month. The 32G cards are due out in March... reported to be ~ $300 retail. | 01:52 |
| SDuensin | Egads. | 01:52 |
| briand | ..and, if 32G is sweet, 64 should be even sweeter! | 01:52 |
| SDuensin | I'm having trouble justifying anything more than 2G - not filled that yet! | 01:52 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 01:52 |
| briand | seriously, though.. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 16G card prices drop a bit after the 32G cards come out | 01:52 |
| SDuensin | I think my next additions to the 800 will be a screen protector, a nicer case, and a keyboard. | 01:53 |
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| johnx | another 2GB - 4GB card would be nice | 01:53 |
| johnx | that and a keyboard :) | 01:53 |
| SDuensin | Not found a case I like yet and the keyboards I find are either waaay to geeky or large. | 01:53 |
| johnx | well, I'll go shopping this weekend and hope I find something good | 01:54 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 01:54 |
| SDuensin | Ever see the "laser" keyboards? Super cool, but man, super geeky. I just can't see whippin' that out in a resturant. | 01:54 |
| johnx | And you couldn't do anything with it on anything but a perfectly flat surface | 01:55 |
| jott | SDuensin: hehe you need some geeky glasses with white leds for that too :P | 01:55 |
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| SDuensin | johnx - Yea. Surface can't vary more than 2mm. | 01:55 |
| johnx | yeah...that's not gonna be to helpful to me I think | 01:56 |
| SDuensin | Be hard for me to use on the couch, that's for sure. | 01:56 |
| jott | yeah just use the good old foldable keyboards :) | 01:56 |
| jott | still need to get a bluetooth one.. | 01:56 |
| SDuensin | Me too. | 01:56 |
| johnx | hopefully I can find a small keyboard (I know I've seen one around in stores around here)...and then I'll try and figure out a way to attach the N800 to it | 01:56 |
| johnx | maybe go to a hardware store and find some type of metal bracket and attach it at an angle | 01:57 |
| SDuensin | Any truth to the rumor that Nokia has another model in the works? | 01:58 |
| briand | I'm using an HP case (don't know what it was originally for) that holds the n800 quite nicely. clips to my belt, and there's a couple spots to slip in 2 extra SD cards, too | 01:58 |
| johnx | SDuensin, well I'd be willing to bet they're working on something, but I have no idea what it is or when it will come out | 01:58 |
| briand | johnx - if you build or buy an OTG adapter (there's a guy in canada, jolouis, selling them on the forum), you can plug in any USB keyboard and use it. | 01:59 |
| johnx | ...as long as it doesn't want too much power | 01:59 |
| briand | right. but most keyboards will work, as well as snagging photos from your digital camera, etc | 01:59 |
| johnx | and my goal is to find something nice and small and cheap, which makes things a little more difficult | 02:00 |
| briand | heheh.. true. let me know what you find. I may be interested as well | 02:00 |
| johnx | I can't see trying to use a full-sized usb keyboard on the train :) | 02:00 |
| cbx33 | anyone got to control the LED yet? | 02:00 |
| jott | johnx: why not use a bluetooth foldable one? :) | 02:01 |
| cbx33 | i saw this http://www.google.com/notebook/public/08895672815650307022/BDSTgIgoQ3tW9iP0i | 02:01 |
| briand | cbx33: there's a plugin for Pidgen that uses the LED to flash when you have a new IM | 02:01 |
| johnx | I'm thinking about it. Shipping might be kind of expensive :/ | 02:01 |
| cbx33 | but the bits at the bottom of he screen don't work | 02:01 |
| cbx33 | maybe I have to be root? | 02:01 |
| jott | you can control the led via dbus.. | 02:01 |
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| cbx33 | jott: so I thought | 02:02 |
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| johnx | SDuensin, The consensus seems to be that the WiMax tablet will be the next thing released and that will be soonish. Beyond that I'm sure they're working on something, but no one knows what or when it will be except Nokia | 02:02 |
| jott | but i also wondered how to control it directly | 02:02 |
| cbx33 | I'm sure it must be a proc interface | 02:02 |
| johnx | there's a file in /sys but I don't know what you need to echo to it | 02:02 |
| jott | sure but the mce stuff will might take over.. | 02:02 |
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| cbx33 | jott: indeed | 02:02 |
| jott | /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032 | 02:02 |
| jott | hmm | 02:02 |
| cbx33 | yeh I saw that | 02:03 |
| SDuensin | whoa: http://store.cellularsurge.com/pcbtkeyboard.html | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | would be fun | 02:03 |
| dphil9000 | at the moment evdo > wimax | 02:03 |
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| jott | hm $35 sounds reasonable :) | 02:03 |
| SDuensin | Sounds damn cheap. | 02:04 |
| johnx | SDuensin, that looks nice. | 02:04 |
| johnx | shipping will be the killer for me | 02:04 |
| johnx | SDuensin, out of stock. :| | 02:04 |
| cbx33 | is |tbb| ever around? | 02:04 |
| johnx | he is from time to time | 02:04 |
| jott | yeah.. here too .. and 35+sh > 22 euro which means customs want extra money :/ | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | apparently he's played with the leds | 02:05 |
| SDuensin | Then try here: http://sepharus-store.stores.yahoo.net/pcbtkeyboard.html | 02:05 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 02:05 |
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| dphil9000 | the iGo Stowaway KB was nice | 02:05 |
| jott | cbx33: kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0/drivers/i2c/chip/lp5521.c | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | * |tbb| is playing with more color led from n810, really funny, combinating diffrent modes | 02:05 |
| dphil9000 | until they stopped making it last month | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | on 26th of Jan this year | 02:05 |
| jott | cbx33: well if you modify the ini you can get nice effects that can be activated via dbus | 02:06 |
| jott | thats more or less straight forward | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | how are they activated via dbus? | 02:06 |
| jott | but you could not use it as a vu-meter for example | 02:06 |
| johnx | ahaha...that has a *random* selection of stuff | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | jott: got that command to hand? | 02:06 |
| jott | cbx33: hold on ..yeah.. | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | jott: no of course | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | thanks jott | 02:06 |
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| jott | self.mce = dbus.SystemBus().get_object('com.nokia.mce', '/com/nokia/mce/request') self.mce.req_led_pattern_activate("PatternError") <- or anything else self.mce.req_led_pattern_deactivate("PatternError") | 02:07 |
| jott | in python | 02:08 |
| jott | (or just map this to the dbus-send .. or what ever you want to use to talk to dbus) | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | right I'm off for the night | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | see ya later guys | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 02:09 |
| jott | later :) | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | thanks for all the help jott | 02:09 |
| jott | you're welcome.. | 02:10 |
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| SDuensin | You people keep costing me money. :-) | 02:10 |
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| jott | haha funny defines in the led driver :) #ifdef LED_CONNECTED_WRONG | 02:13 |
| johnx | I still love the kernel config option that goes something like CONFIG_MEM_PEEK_N_POKE :) | 02:14 |
| ^Jsn^ | my n810 came in about 10 mins ago! Man this thing is sweet! I didn't realize how thin it really is | 02:14 |
| jott | aaah nice | 02:14 |
| jott | echo direct > /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode | 02:14 |
| jott | echo ff:ff:00 > /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color | 02:14 |
| jott | that's what you get for reading the source code ;) | 02:15 |
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| ^Jsn^ | i'm guessing that the first thing i need to do is update the Firmware. Can this be done threw the net on the device, or do i need to download it and install it off of my laptop? | 02:15 |
| johnx | probably easiest to install it from your laptop | 02:15 |
| jott | hmm purple looks nice :) | 02:15 |
| johnx | jott, very cool | 02:15 |
| * jott is off to write some nice color effects :) | 02:16 | |
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| jott | ("run" is the default mode btw) | 02:16 |
| ^Jsn^ | anyone have a link for updating the firmware and OS for the n810? | 02:17 |
| johnx | does your laptop run windows, linux or mac os x? | 02:17 |
| ^Jsn^ | vista | 02:17 |
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| * SDuensin would answer, "Yes". | 02:18 | |
| johnx | ^Jsn^, http://europe.nokia.com/A4678158 | 02:18 |
| ^Jsn^ | thanks | 02:18 |
| johnx | second link on a google search for update n810 software :) | 02:18 |
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| ^Jsn^ | I've been reading about linux and the use of repositories, is there one main repository that I should use? I know that it says to delete all of your current repositories before installing new ones to ensure that you don't have doubles? | 02:24 |
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| johnx | where does it say that? | 02:25 |
| ^Jsn^ | it was in a tutorial that i read at internettabletschool.com | 02:26 |
| johnx | hmm | 02:26 |
| johnx | but actually the repository situation for the Nokia tablets is a little confusing. There is a somewhat main repository called "Extras" that's included in application manager but not enabled by default | 02:26 |
| johnx | enabling that will get you access to a lot of good software that is relatively stable and known to work well together | 02:27 |
| ^Jsn^ | how do you enable that? i'm in application manager now | 02:28 |
| johnx | menu -> tools -> application catalog... | 02:28 |
| johnx | look for 'maemo extras', hit edit, uncheck disable | 02:29 |
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| Xxaxx | hello:) | 02:31 |
| johnx | hi Xxaxx | 02:31 |
| ^Jsn^ | got it, thanks a lot | 02:31 |
| Xxaxx | how can I turn off virtual keyboard gestures? | 02:31 |
| johnx | ^Jsn^, downloads.maemo.org has a good list of software as well and most of it included a "click to install" link which adds any necessary repositories and automatically installs the software | 02:32 |
| sadam | does anyone know who's responsible for the maemo.modules file for jhbuild in svn? | 02:32 |
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| lcuk | johnx, i bet there isnt a whats new page for that app list is there | 02:39 |
| johnx | on downloads.maemo.org? | 02:40 |
| johnx | well there's that little "fresh" section | 02:41 |
| lcuk | i just noticed - there is, | 02:41 |
| lcuk | i always end up in the lists for a section thinking ive seen half of these | 02:41 |
| johnx | oh wow, the nuvo pearl theme looks really slick | 02:42 |
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| koshi | Xxaxx,On n810 you can do so in the control panel text input settings | 02:54 |
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| Xxaxx | why only on n810? isn't os's the same? | 02:55 |
| Xxaxx | os2008 | 02:55 |
| ^Jsn^ | johnx: do you have a url to that theme? | 02:55 |
| johnx | it's on downloads.maemo.org | 02:56 |
| ^Jsn^ | ok | 02:56 |
| johnx | it works fine, but after using it for a bit it doesn't seem completely finished | 02:56 |
| koshi | I don't have any experience with other versions of the n series, so it may be in the same place on other machnices | 02:56 |
| johnx | I already switched back to a different theme... | 02:56 |
| koshi | But don't 800 series not have a physical keyboard meaning it be a tad hard to type anything? | 02:57 |
| johnx | koshi, he just wants to turn off the gestures | 02:57 |
| Xxaxx | yeah | 02:57 |
| Xxaxx | only the gestures | 02:58 |
| lcuk | earthquake? | 02:58 |
| koshi | Gestures o_O? Hmmh to be honest I only had 810 for a week theres gestures? | 02:58 |
| lcuk | tremor rather | 02:58 |
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| Xxaxx | koshi: check your text input help | 02:59 |
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| Xxaxx | koshi: Contents > Text input methods > Virtual keyboards | 03:00 |
| ^Jsn^ | is the star trek and the pearl themes the only ones available to download? | 03:00 |
| koshi | Is that another word for handwriting recognition | 03:00 |
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| johnx | ^Jsn^, that might be it for now. There are theme tools out now, so you might start seeing more or you could make your own :) | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plankton, too. | 03:01 |
| Xxaxx | koshi: nope | 03:01 |
| koshi | Hmm, I don't have that o_O | 03:01 |
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| jott | who wants to play with the n8x0 LED? -> http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py :) | 03:02 |
| Xxaxx | koshi: you have it on virtual keybooard | 03:02 |
| Mousey | jott awesome! | 03:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't work on N800. | 03:06 |
| Xxaxx | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode' | 03:06 |
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| jott | Xxaxx: hm | 03:06 |
| jott | :/ | 03:06 |
| jott | ok | 03:06 |
| jott | then it's probably in a similar path | 03:06 |
| jott | cd /sys/devices/platform && find . -name mode ... | 03:07 |
| jott | or has the n800 another led controller?! | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're not the same. | 03:08 |
| jott | darn.. | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | ./musb_hdrc/mode | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 is RGB | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 is blue | 03:08 |
| jott | aah i thought the n800 has a rgb one too.. | 03:08 |
| jott | ok my bad.. | 03:08 |
| jott | s/n8x0/n810/ | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the code looked a little sparse for N800 support. ;) | 03:09 |
| * jott can't squeeze red out of the blue led with his hack :/ | 03:09 | |
| jott | is there some way to control the led on the n800? | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 03:10 |
| dphil9000 | really? all i ever say was blue on n810 | 03:10 |
| jott | brightness? or more? | 03:10 |
| Xxaxx | jott: :( | 03:10 |
| jott | dphil9000: run the python script on the device and see if you get more colors :) | 03:11 |
| dphil9000 | i'd like to have claws mail configured as the default mail client that checks imap server & flashes the led | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 0-15 levels, jott. | 03:11 |
| dphil9000 | and configure gizmo to be the default softphone | 03:12 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: ah ok thanks.. well this would not be as spectecular as a more or less full rgb led anyway :) | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | dphil9000, why not use the built-in SIP client instead of Gizmo? | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much lighter-weight | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | integrates with the system much more nicely, too. | 03:12 |
| jott | and my n810 led hack is *not* for notification purposes.. | 03:12 |
| ^Jsn^ | will the n810 absolutely not go into update mode unless the battery 100% full? | 03:13 |
| Xxaxx | jott: can I post your script on russian n8x0 forum? | 03:13 |
| jott | it could be used as vu meter oder some other music visualization ;) | 03:13 |
| dphil9000 | could i use my gizmo dial-in number? | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^Jsn^, no, it'll gleefully let you update at 1% battery | 03:13 |
| jott | Xxaxx: sure.. | 03:13 |
| ^Jsn^ | lol | 03:13 |
| Xxaxx | jott: thx ,) | 03:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo is just SIP, dphil9000. | 03:13 |
| dphil9000 | true | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | So the built-in client will work fine with it. | 03:14 |
| jott | i changed N8x0 -> N810 in the comment to make it clear ;) | 03:14 |
| ^Jsn^ | well it won't go into update mode for me. I followed the instructions and held the top button while turning it on, but it doesn't give me the white nokia screen with the usb symbol | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's what I use for sending/receiving with my Gizmo account. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you plug it into the USB port? | 03:14 |
| ^Jsn^ | yep | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Before you tried turning it on? | 03:14 |
| ^Jsn^ | vista installed the drivers and said that it is good to go | 03:15 |
| ^Jsn^ | yeah | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, did you hold the Home/Swap button while powering on? | 03:15 |
| dphil9000 | sip > proprietary skype | 03:15 |
| Xxaxx | jott: ok:) | 03:15 |
| ^Jsn^ | yeah the one that looks like 2 cascaded windows | 03:15 |
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| Xxaxx | jott: is colors undocumented n810 feature? | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, Xxaxx. | 03:16 |
| jott | Xxaxx: more or less.. yes.. there is a way to set color profiles via mce.ini | 03:16 |
| jott | and there is the kernel source :) | 03:17 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: Oh yeah, where's the documentation? | 03:17 |
| unixSnob | GeneralAnt - you recommended a screen protector.. I forgot what it was. I need to order another one. | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | By "undocumented" I'm assuming he meant "like the N800 FM radio" | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boxwave anti-glare. | 03:17 |
| unixSnob | ty | 03:17 |
| jott | but the color profiles are not directly controllable | 03:17 |
| jott | (just a set of presets) | 03:17 |
| Xxaxx | jott: hehe, ok ,) | 03:18 |
| jott | that can be extended | 03:18 |
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| Xxaxx | it is interesting | 03:18 |
| jott | so with this it's possible to use it iteractively.. | 03:18 |
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| ^Jsn^ | i figured it out. U can't have the ac adapter plugged in when u do it | 03:19 |
| jott | actually it's nothing that hidden if you know how the name of the thing (lp5521) is and find the kernel source to read :) | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^Jsn^, it doesn't actually turn off if you shut it down with the power adaptor plugged in. | 03:20 |
| unixSnob | damn.. that boxwave flexi-skin is $21 usd | 03:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ew | 03:21 |
| unixSnob | i don't think the anti-glare is available or the n800 | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The silicon skin is a waste of money | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't use the stand or the USB port | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n800_2569.htm | 03:22 |
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| unixSnob | Better.. I have seen some of the sticker like protectors for as low as $2 usd | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Waste of money, those. | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta replace them every couple weeks. | 03:24 |
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| unixSnob | so the cleartouch one will last longer? | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a life-of-the-device protector. | 03:25 |
| unixSnob | ah, nice | 03:25 |
| trbs | is the calendar beta link on the maemo.org site broken ? | 03:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It should be in extras. | 03:25 |
| briand | if it's a life-of-the-device protector, why would someone buy a 3-pack? | 03:25 |
| trbs | i get blank page when going to the http://maemo.org/community/calendar/omc/ page | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just install it from app manager. . . . | 03:25 |
| unixSnob | that'll really suck if I screw up applying it and get an air bubble | 03:25 |
| unixSnob | but perhaps worth the rish | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | briand, for more than one device? | 03:26 |
| unixSnob | s/rish/risk | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, you just take it off and apply it again. | 03:26 |
| briand | GeneralAntilles: so, since you're in town, can I buy one of your two extras from ya? :) | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | But bubbles aren't a problem with the Boxwave | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just push them out with the included bubble-pusher. | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're on my other N800 and one of my 770s. :P | 03:27 |
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| lcuk | but didnt you buy a "life of the device" cover when the 770 came out ;) | 03:27 |
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| lcuk | why would you need anything else :P | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 03:28 |
| briand | "...my other N800 and *one* of my 770s" ?? sheesh.. how many do you own?? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Used the 770 for most of its life without a protector. | 03:28 |
| lcuk | 770 has a hardtop doesnt it? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4, at the moment. | 03:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Looking to send one of the 770s off to help with Debian. | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it does. | 03:28 |
| briand | hmm. then you need to get another 3-pack, and you'll have two extras... ;) | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | But stylus usage will scratch it | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the anti-glare protectors both improve stylus and finger-feel and greatly improve outdoor visibility. | 03:29 |
| briand | I'd trade you a nifty leather HP belt holster that holds the N800 (and 770) quite well. (I've got several of 'em) | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Holster. <_< | 03:29 |
| lcuk | briand, i dont think you will have them, GeneralAntilles goes outside looking like batman, his utility belt has multiple nokias | 03:30 |
| briand | seriously, I've got a pile of 'em | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd only carry one holster. ;) | 03:30 |
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| briand | and I only own one N800, zero 770s and zero N810s | 03:30 |
| * johnx pictures GeneralAntilles pulling tablets out of a belt holster and frisbeeing them at thieves | 03:31 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Crime deterrent! | 03:32 |
| johnx | can someone hum the batman theme? | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | briand, you should order the 3-pack and apply them all to your N800. :P | 03:32 |
| lcuk | i imagine him having a mexixan standoff with some iphone holstered macboy | 03:32 |
| briand | hahaha | 03:32 |
| johnx | a 770 to the back of the head would sure ruin your day... | 03:32 |
| briand | oh, and for those who wonder what my idea of "several" is: in this situation, it's 11 | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, make it a soap opera and I can have a fallout with my family. :P | 03:32 |
| lcuk | lol | 03:33 |
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| lcuk | gen, i have read my first scrolly page. | 03:33 |
| briand | I hear that ubiquitous western showdown music playing... | 03:33 |
| johnx | my wife probably wouldn't go out in public with me if I had gadget in belt holster. I've been told that a vest with pockets is also not allowed :/ | 03:33 |
| lcuk | 20 fps with a fixed font at 800*480 :) | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you did make sure to use a font that didn't suck, right? :P | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, johnx. | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about a combat harness? | 03:34 |
| lcuk | shhhh i bitmapped lucida console | 03:34 |
| briand | vest with pockets shouldn't be allowed, unless you're at the target range or a favorite fishing hole | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ew, lcuk. | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | EEEEWWWW | 03:34 |
| lcuk | no, its perfect - i am used to seeing it scroll | 03:35 |
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| lcuk | everything else will come with time :) i have sdl_ttf support coming | 03:35 |
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| johnx | briand, sorry, but a batman belt and a pocket vest are in the same category in my mind | 03:35 |
| lcuk | it was enough to prove i could render glyphs | 03:35 |
| briand | johnx: understood. | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perfect: http://www.zahal.org/gear/commando/efodhir1.jpg | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 03:35 |
| briand | but anyway, it's not a "batman belt", anyway... just a clip-on leather N800 holder (that happens, for some odd reason, to have an HP logo on it!) | 03:36 |
| lcuk | what about an ankle holster? | 03:36 |
| lcuk | for your smaller devices (n95?) | 03:36 |
| briand | incidentally, it'll also hold a Colt Mustang .380, as I've just discovered | 03:36 |
| briand | (not really concealed, however) | 03:36 |
| johnx | I think I'll stick with pants that have lots of pockets | 03:37 |
| lcuk | yes it is. if its hidden inside a container which doesnt say I HAVE A GUN IN HERE then its pretty conealed | 03:37 |
| lcuk | but i know nothing about guns since im in the uk | 03:37 |
| briand | well, let's just say that I'm not going to risk my concealed carry permit by using this device to "carry" with... | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | .380? | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/.380/.38/ you mean. ;) | 03:38 |
| lcuk | hmmm, never thought i had an opinion on guns. | 03:38 |
| * lcuk just found one | 03:38 | |
| briand | aka "short 9mm" (old terminology). | 03:38 |
| ^Jsn^ | does updating the firmware of the n810 also update to the latest maemo, or does maemo have to be updated seperately? | 03:38 |
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| johnx | what people call "firmware" in this case is actually the whole OS and all the apps | 03:38 |
| briand | .38 is a different round, for a different pistol (revolver) --- .380 is a round for a semi-auto pistol | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, right. | 03:39 |
| lcuk | updating firmaware will update the entire OS. its like reformatting windows | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | .380 is pretty concealable, though. | 03:39 |
| briand | some are, yes. | 03:39 |
| Xxaxx | jott: how you found that name lp5521? | 03:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | For instance: http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/kel_tec/kel_p3at.jpg | 03:39 |
| briand | others are, if you're a large person that wears loose-fitting clothes | 03:39 |
| ^Jsn^ | thanks | 03:39 |
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| unixSnob | I thought the UK was rated the most violent city in 2000 | 03:40 |
| briand | UK is a country, not a city | 03:40 |
| unixSnob | I'd think the brits would know about guns | 03:40 |
| unixSnob | lol | 03:40 |
| briand | technically, it's a bunch of countries, really... | 03:40 |
| lcuk | criminals might, but the majority of people haven't seen a real gun (apart from maybe police) let alone fired one. | 03:41 |
| lcuk | knife crime is high | 03:41 |
| briand | precisely why one should carry a gun! | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Banning one sort of weapon will just result in people using another. | 03:41 |
| briand | someone brings a knife to a gunfight, that's his problem... | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better to have a sort of weapon that levels the playing field for everybody. | 03:42 |
| unixSnob | They've banned tazers in New York | 03:42 |
| johnx | rocket launchers! | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Granny doesn't stand a chance in a knife fight. | 03:42 |
| lcuk | but i will get arrested if someone comes into my house and i shoot them | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, enlightened Europe. | 03:42 |
| briand | move over here... in most states, you wouldn't be arrested/detained for that | 03:42 |
| unixSnob | true.. but granna can do a gunfight! | 03:42 |
| lcuk | i cannot protect my home without risking my own freedom | 03:42 |
| * lcuk will throw a nokia at him | 03:43 | |
| jott | Xxaxx: it's in the same path as the mode/color file "cat name" reveals it .. | 03:43 |
| unixSnob | The uk is a better place to be financially.. if you're in the tech industry | 03:43 |
| lcuk | or offer him a cup of tea with a cup i accidentally drop on his head | 03:43 |
| unixSnob | I'm thinking about going there to work | 03:43 |
| Xxaxx | jott: ah, haha, I see | 03:43 |
| briand | take a gander at their taxing structure, first... ;) | 03:44 |
| Xxaxx | I will check mine | 03:44 |
| lcuk | unixSnob, depends where in the country | 03:44 |
| unixSnob | The tax can't offset the exchange rate. | 03:44 |
| unixSnob | Yeah, I realize location matters | 03:44 |
| lcuk | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7266136.stm | 03:45 |
| unixSnob | In the US, contractors get $75 in DC area, and the same contractor gets $50/hr in some ghosttown | 03:45 |
| unixSnob | (and the $50/hr is the better deal) | 03:45 |
| briand | definitely, given the lower cost of living in the ghosttown | 03:46 |
| Xxaxx | jott: hehe only TCM825x I2C driver and TEA5761 FM-Radio | 03:46 |
| johnx | as long as you think it's worth it to live in a ghost town... | 03:46 |
| * johnx doesn't like ghosts | 03:46 | |
| unixSnob | So the median in the US is ~$60/hr in most cities | 03:46 |
| briand | and, god forbid you live in virginia! they tax your car every year that you own it. renewing a registration usually runs hundreds of dollars | 03:46 |
| unixSnob | But a typical rate in the EU is 60 euros/hr | 03:47 |
| briand | johnx: i live in the capital of florida, which is (by far!) the smallest "city" in the state | 03:47 |
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| jott | Xxaxx: :/ ..hmm yeah probably it's not in i2c.. it probably has some proc/sys entry.. | 03:47 |
| unixSnob | 60 euros is so much more than 60 usd, I can't imagine COL being high enough to offset that | 03:48 |
| briand | you'd be surprised | 03:48 |
| Xxaxx | jott: hm ,) | 03:48 |
| briand | i was offered a position at Adobe for a little over twice what I was making at my (then) current job... | 03:48 |
| unixSnob | u screwed up | 03:49 |
| unixSnob | u didn't take it? | 03:49 |
| jott | Xxaxx: but it's just 15 brightness levels so it's not that much fun :P | 03:49 |
| briand | but the COL difference between the santa clara valley in CA vs. Tallahassee, FL would've made that a decrease in salary... by quite a bit | 03:49 |
| Xxaxx | jott: hehe ,) | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, I was excited about those 15 brightness levels and you dashed my dreams to little bits! :( | 03:49 |
| Xxaxx | jott: 15 levels for led? | 03:50 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: hehe well if it's controllable the interface has to be exposed somewhere :) | 03:50 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: send me one of your n800 and i'll find it out :P | 03:50 |
| briand | heheh | 03:50 |
| unixSnob | yeah, that makes a difference. The santa clara payrates are bad | 03:50 |
| briand | that, and the rents are outrageous! | 03:51 |
| jott | Xxaxx: according to GeneralAntilles yeah.. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xxaxx, see /etc/mce/mce.ini | 03:51 |
| briand | i had 1400 sqft in tally for $650/mo. Out there, I could get 600 sqft for $1200/mo | 03:51 |
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| briand | (in a similar neighborhood) | 03:51 |
| unixSnob | The problem w/ silicon valley is the payrates don't even try to compensate higher COL. Typical rates there are $65/hr -- which is about what you get in any medium sized city. | 03:52 |
| unixSnob | At least in DC and NYC, the payrates are a little higher.. ~$75 | 03:52 |
| briand | now, if they were willing to pay me $150K/yr to telecommute... that'd've been a different story altogether... | 03:53 |
| unixSnob | The west coast employers know they can leverage the better lifestyle, and pay less | 03:53 |
| unixSnob | fat chance, they'd pay less | 03:54 |
| unixSnob | In fact, they might as well hire indians if telecommuting is an option | 03:54 |
| briand | true | 03:54 |
| briand | thus, why i didn't take the offer. :) | 03:54 |
| unixSnob | OTOH, open source developers can telecommute | 03:55 |
| unixSnob | We can go to the islands and live very cheaply, while working | 03:55 |
| unixSnob | and that's probably a better deal than the silicon valley folks get! | 03:56 |
| unixSnob | (even though it's volunteer work, at least the expenses don't bury us) | 03:56 |
| unixSnob | who's with me? It'll be a Maemo development retreat | 03:57 |
| Xxaxx | jott: btw do you know how can I turn o | 03:57 |
| Xxaxx | jott: btw do you know how can I turn off the gestures? | 03:57 |
| jott | Xxaxx: which gestures?! | 03:58 |
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| briand | unixSnob: I'll book the plane tickets the day after I win the Lotto | 03:58 |
| Xxaxx | jott: virtual keyboard gestures | 03:58 |
| jott | Xxaxx: sorry.. i have a n810 and do not use a virtual keyboard at all .. | 03:59 |
| Xxaxx | jott: hehe, ok np :) | 03:59 |
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| ^Jsn^ | I'm trying to install gpe calender but it is telling me that i need libsoup 2.2-8(>=2.2.98) Does anyone know how to install this missing package? | 04:03 |
| pupnik | from command line, as root, i would type: apt-get install libsoup | 04:04 |
| Xxaxx | jott: btw do you think it is possible to use internal 3d abilities? | 04:04 |
| pupnik | or first: apt-cache search libsoup | 04:04 |
| pupnik | in order to see if it is in a repository | 04:05 |
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| ^Jsn^ | do you have to be in red pill mode to do that? | 04:05 |
| johnx | ^Jsn^, red pill / blue pill mode does not affect the command line utilities, only "Application Manager" | 04:07 |
| johnx | in general, I would suggest avoiding red pill mode | 04:07 |
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| ^Jsn^ | how do i get to the command line utility in root mode? | 04:08 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot/ | 04:08 |
| ^Jsn^ | thanks | 04:08 |
| pupnik | what device and OS version do you have? | 04:08 |
| jott | Xxaxx: well i suppose it is possible and some people started hacking on it but there are many factors (given alone that the lcd controller is connected with a low bandwidth) and it's not an easy task without nokias help .. | 04:08 |
| johnx | ^Jsn^, you should be able to get it through application manager | 04:09 |
| ^Jsn^ | n810 os2008 | 04:09 |
| johnx | let me dig up the link | 04:09 |
| jott | (and that the size of the lcd controller is bigger than powervr can handle) | 04:09 |
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| jott | but one could most likely increase performance in some areas | 04:09 |
| lcuk | but the lcd can quite nicely display 640*480 borderless fullscreen and it looks amazing and gets 25fps full color | 04:09 |
| lcuk | auto stretching using the xv library shows its possible | 04:10 |
| jott | yeah still that's probably an argument why nokia does not put effort in it.. | 04:10 |
| pupnik | ^Jsn^: on OS2008 i just install the ssh package and ssh root@localhost to log in as root | 04:10 |
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| fysa | http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-15573-Sungjut+TangoX+Nano%2C+a+new+Korean+UMPC+with+wireless+phone+and+Touch+screen..html | 04:10 |
| ^Jsn^ | oh ok | 04:11 |
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| fysa | I love how they stuck a dockable VOIP phone into that space. | 04:11 |
| johnx | ^Jsn^, if you'd rather use the GUI go to gronmayer.com/it on the tablet, search for libsoup. Find the Maemo Hackers repository with "Chinook" as the distribution and "click to install" | 04:11 |
| pupnik | ^Jsn^: also feedback to the GPE authors might motivate them to resolve the issue so that people don't need to be root | 04:11 |
| pupnik | s/authors/packagers/g | 04:11 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: ^Jsn^: also feedback to the GPE packagers might motivate them to resolve the issue so that people don't need to be root | 04:11 |
| johnx | fysa, that's the "Everex Cloudbook" or "Fic" something-or-other they sell at walmart | 04:12 |
| fysa | no, this is a new one :) | 04:12 |
| johnx | the case looks the same | 04:12 |
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| johnx | and they're both a Via... | 04:12 |
| fysa | look at the phone docked into it. | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish you could link to stuff on gronmayer. | 04:12 |
| fysa | I see what you mean. | 04:12 |
| johnx | so it has the phone instead of the webcam module...that's pretty much the difference, right? | 04:12 |
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| johnx | the prototypes they had at some tradeshow showed them with like 5 different interchangeable modules | 04:13 |
| fysa | no, you're right. | 04:13 |
| fysa | it must be from the same OEM | 04:13 |
| johnx | still, a cool little machine | 04:13 |
| johnx | :) | 04:13 |
| lcuk | could you plug a nokia into it ;) | 04:13 |
| fysa | would be cooler if the screen could reverse and let you map the 'phone' keys as real keys. | 04:14 |
| fysa | .. and it had a few buttons on the other side ;) | 04:14 |
| lcuk | and a fluc capacitor | 04:15 |
| lcuk | ffs flux | 04:15 |
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| ^Jsn^ | pupnik: where does it install the openssh client to? i don't see it in any of hte menus | 04:20 |
| ^Jsn^ | the* | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | OpenSSH isn't a GUI application. ;) | 04:20 |
| Xxaxx | :> | 04:20 |
| ^Jsn^ | well how do you access it | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ssh | 04:21 |
| Xxaxx | via xterm | 04:21 |
| ^Jsn^ | ok | 04:21 |
| johnx | ^Jsn^, if you're not comfortable with the command line you should just add the repository that I suggested, then all the gpe stuff should install just fine | 04:21 |
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| johnx | if you want to learn more about Linux than you ever wanted to know, then proceed :) | 04:22 |
| ^Jsn^ | well i'm trying to get some experience with linux | 04:22 |
| ^Jsn^ | i'm getting a connection refused | 04:23 |
| johnx | you installed both openssh-server and openssh-client? | 04:23 |
| unixSnob | "if you want to learn more about Linux than you ever wanted to know" <- how is that possible? | 04:23 |
| ^Jsn^ | no just the client | 04:24 |
| ^Jsn^ | do i need the server? | 04:24 |
| johnx | if you want to use this method to get "root" access on the device, then yes | 04:24 |
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| johnx | pupnik, even if he follows all these steps he still doesn't have the repository with libsoup | 04:25 |
| lcuk | yes, your nokia will be the server. from a command shell on another computer you connect to the ssh server and login as root | 04:25 |
| ^Jsn^ | ok | 04:26 |
| lcuk | i agree with john, for this specific problem the shell does not help much and there are easier solutions, but if the guy wants to get ssh up and running then so be it :) | 04:27 |
| lcuk | i dont know whether i wanna sleep - the house shook loads before :S | 04:28 |
| unixSnob | shook? | 04:28 |
| unixSnob | are you in the UK? | 04:28 |
| lcuk | yer earth tremor | 04:28 |
| lcuk | yer its hit news | 04:28 |
| ^Jsn^ | how do you bring up the virtual keyboard? | 04:29 |
| unixSnob | tap on a field | 04:29 |
| johnx | lcuk, craziness, you guys don't get many earthquaks at all do you? | 04:29 |
| lcuk | no, thats whats so disconcerting | 04:29 |
| unixSnob | does your house meet earthquake standards? | 04:29 |
| lcuk | we have minor movements as the earth settles, but nothing big | 04:29 |
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| ^Jsn^ | does anyone know how to bring up the virtual keyboard? | 04:30 |
| johnx | in xterm? just tap on the screen | 04:30 |
| lcuk | it can withstand an equal amount of wrath from earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, ice berg hits and polar bear attacks. | 04:30 |
| ^Jsn^ | in the browser | 04:30 |
| lcuk | that figure however is unknown between 0 and 1 | 04:30 |
| johnx | just tap in a text field | 04:30 |
| johnx | lcuk, a magnitude 4.7, 10km underground?! | 04:31 |
| lcuk | i think 810 is disabled by default isnt it | 04:31 |
| johnx | ah, an n810 | 04:31 |
| johnx | ^Jsn^, it probably only works with the keyboard closed and you might have to turn it on in control panel or something | 04:31 |
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| lcuk | jsn, if you cant get it to come up, go into your control panel and poke about looking for settings | 04:32 |
| * johnx has an n800 | 04:32 | |
| lcuk | you can adjust quite a lot | 04:32 |
| ^Jsn^ | wow, this thing has soo many querks | 04:32 |
| ^Jsn^ | you do have to have the keyboard closed | 04:32 |
| briand | ^Jsn^: they're called, lovingly, "features", not quirks. | 04:32 |
| lcuk | why is that a querk? | 04:32 |
| johnx | not really a quirk so much as a "Nokia design decision" :) | 04:33 |
| lcuk | you have a sodding thumb keyboard in front of you, why would you want the OSK? | 04:33 |
| johnx | lcuk, I really wouldn't worry about many aftershocks with a quake like that | 04:33 |
| johnx | that's weak sauce :P | 04:33 |
| lcuk | plus, the bottom of screen still has bits onscreen | 04:33 |
| unixSnob | My employer is sending a ton of people over to the UK to work the eBorders program.. I should tell those folks to ask for hazardous duty pay. | 04:33 |
| ^Jsn^ | i'm not saying that it's a bad thing | 04:33 |
| lcuk | lol | 04:33 |
| Navi | Wow | 04:34 |
| lcuk | jsn, best querk is: hit your tab key | 04:34 |
| Navi | playing music + surfing the web = battery drainage | 04:34 |
| johnx | jeez, you guys need to live on the west coast of the US or anywhere in Japan for a while. I've slept through worse... | 04:34 |
| lcuk | web refresh = lots of screen flicker | 04:34 |
| unixSnob | i was in the northridge quake of 94 | 04:35 |
| unixSnob | I had wall-sized bookshelves come down on me in the middle of the night | 04:35 |
| unixSnob | Maybe i'll go back to cali.. are we past the point where all the prophets predicted CA would fall in the ocean? | 04:36 |
| johnx | you need to anchor those things... | 04:36 |
| lcuk | im going to move somewhere thats near the top of a small hill but not far away from a stream and live in a ground floor house with a canvass roof and nothing around me to fall on | 04:36 |
| ^Jsn^ | lcuk:what tab key | 04:36 |
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| lcuk | you were looking for querks | 04:37 |
| ^Jsn^ | yeah but there isn't a tab key | 04:37 |
| unixSnob | lcuk - and get Germans to build your house. German built houses are so airtight, that the houses float when there's a flood. | 04:37 |
| johnx | the quirk is there is no tab key :) | 04:38 |
| lcuk | the hill is flood protection ;) | 04:38 |
| johnx | unixSnob, I was in the San Francisco quake of 89 :) | 04:38 |
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| unixSnob | but if the hill is overcome, you want your house to be a boat | 04:39 |
| johnx | so why not just live in a boat? | 04:39 |
| unixSnob | was that any fun? I wasn't in ca at that time | 04:39 |
| johnx | automatic earthquake protection too | 04:39 |
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| unixSnob | good idea! | 04:39 |
| lcuk | unless a sink hole opens | 04:39 |
| unixSnob | I've actually been thinking if I end up in CA again, it will be in a houseboat | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hurricanes are more fun. | 04:39 |
| johnx | I was just a kid then...honestly it didn't really scare me much, and nothing much fell down at my house | 04:40 |
| unixSnob | (for cost, not eq protection) | 04:40 |
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| unixSnob | I gotta buddy that lives in a yaht.. and they don't charge him the mud tax | 04:40 |
| lcuk | you know, im half expecting someone to come out and tell me they were around when godzilla made shore | 04:41 |
| johnx | my mom was paranoid about earthquakes, so all the book shelves were anchored and even though we our condo was on the third floor it was pretty much a non-event | 04:41 |
| johnx | lcuk, still waiting for that one O_o | 04:41 |
| unixSnob | lol, that's not paranoid, that's CA living | 04:41 |
| unixSnob | always anchor stuff | 04:42 |
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| johnx | last time I was in Indiana they had a tornado brought in for me | 04:42 |
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| johnx | it bent a McDonald's sign in half 5 miles away from where I was | 04:42 |
| unixSnob | nice! | 04:42 |
| unixSnob | I'm there now | 04:42 |
| ^Jsn^ | what is chinook? | 04:42 |
| unixSnob | They seem to take tornados seriously here | 04:42 |
| johnx | chinook is another name for OS2008 | 04:42 |
| Navi | The battery indicator sucks | 04:43 |
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| johnx | bora is OS2007 | 04:43 |
| johnx | mistral is OS2006 | 04:43 |
| Navi | A while ago, I only had 1/4 of my battery left | 04:43 |
| Navi | now I have 1/2 | 04:43 |
| ^Jsn^ | oh ok | 04:43 |
| unixSnob | periodic drills at work, yet I haven't seen one yet :( | 04:43 |
| Navi | No, I didn't charge it. | 04:43 |
| lcuk | power drain occuring earlier | 04:43 |
| lcuk | less now? | 04:43 |
| johnx | Navi, if you find a battery indicator on a mobile device that is any good, tell me | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The smaller the li-ion, the harder it is to measure its current level accurately. | 04:44 |
| unixSnob | and to make matters worse, OS2008 version number starts with 2007... | 04:44 |
| johnx | if you go from a high power-draw situation to a low-power draw situation it appears to the battery meter that the battery has more voltage now | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, that's the date it was built. | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | They pretty much can't release any more 2007 builds, so it's not an issue anymore, unixSnob. | 04:45 |
| ^Jsn^ | what is a good irc app for the n810? | 04:45 |
| unixSnob | Makes sense.. guess they're ahead of the game | 04:45 |
| Navi | johnx, my cell phone | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^Jsn^, xchat. | 04:45 |
| unixSnob | I'm still waiting for Ada 2005! | 04:45 |
| johnx | Navi, it probably has a pretty consistent power draw | 04:46 |
| ^Jsn^ | ok | 04:46 |
| Navi | E70 with wifi and bluetooth sporatically throughout the day | 04:46 |
| Navi | you tell me | 04:46 |
| Navi | sporadically* | 04:47 |
| johnx | fair enough | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll guarantee you it doesn't swing as wildly as the tablet, though. | 04:47 |
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| unixSnob | anyone here from brazil? | 04:47 |
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| * Navi chucks it at GeneralAntilles | 04:49 | |
| * GeneralAntilles catches it and sells it on ebay. | 04:49 | |
| Navi | No! | 04:49 |
| unixSnob | ha.. pakistan shut down the countries network to get people off youtube. | 04:50 |
| unixSnob | s/network/networks | 04:50 |
| johnx | didn't they bring it back up already? | 04:50 |
| unixSnob | probably | 04:50 |
| Navi | unixSnob, yeah | 04:51 |
| unixSnob | just amazing how much the pakastani gov hates youtube | 04:51 |
| Navi | I read | 04:51 |
| Navi | YouTube = blasphemy | 04:51 |
| johnx | that might not be the whole story...supposedly there were videos with claims of tampering with the election or something and "blasphemy on youtube" was a good excuse | 04:52 |
| johnx | don't remember my sources | 04:52 |
| unixSnob | hey, we would have not seen the don't taze me bro dude if it hadn't been for youtube | 04:52 |
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| unixSnob | I just heard it on www.webbalert.com | 04:52 |
| johnx | *or* the evolution of dance | 04:53 |
| unixSnob | morgan webb is pretty hot. nokia should promote the NIT on there | 04:54 |
| Navi | Gah | 04:54 |
| Navi | BBC is spamming up my RSS reader | 04:54 |
| Navi | Too many "ZOMG BILLARY N OBAMA SLING MUD LOLOLOLOL" articles. | 04:55 |
| pupnik | ITos sound runs natively at 44.1 khz right? | 04:55 |
| pupnik | evening all | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | What's all this i hear about Obama supporting open source? | 04:57 |
| Navi | Who cares? He's just appealing to a niche crowd, doesn't really care. | 04:57 |
| Navi | s/appealing/trying to appeal/ | 04:57 |
| infobot | Navi meant: Who cares? He's just trying to appeal to a niche crowd, doesn't really care. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Obama sells warm fuzzies. | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing much else as far I can tell. | 04:58 |
| Navi | ugh | 05:01 |
| unixSnob | I definately want politicians that support OSS | 05:01 |
| Navi | why is that skype icon there when it's not even installed? | 05:01 |
| Navi | I support politicians that support net neutrality | 05:01 |
| unixSnob | It's aggrivating how much uncle sam spends on windows and other closed source software | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want politicians that support the sort of government where things like that don't matter. | 05:02 |
| unixSnob | well the US as a whole isn't in favor of net neutrality | 05:02 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, a post apocalyptic distopia? | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Net neutrality has lost any meaning for the average person. | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | They managed to muddy the discussion alarmingly well. | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good, bad, upside down? | 05:03 |
| unixSnob | it's US vs. the world | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell knows. | 05:03 |
| Navi | What does the average person surf? Yahoo!, Facebook, mail. That's about it eh? | 05:03 |
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| Navi | YouTube, forgot. | 05:03 |
| johnx | and WoW | 05:04 |
| unixSnob | The lower socioeconomic households use Yahoo, and the higher socioeconomic households use google | 05:04 |
| Navi | Lol | 05:04 |
| Lateralus | can anyone grab OS images from the maemo website? It just repeatedly tells me to input the 12 digit code | 05:04 |
| Lateralus | I've tried different devices | 05:04 |
| Lateralus | two 800's and an 810 | 05:04 |
| johnx | maybe if their youtube videos start showing up slower than molasses they'll start caring about net neutrality | 05:04 |
| Lateralus | I get the same for all of them. | 05:04 |
| * Navi wonders why his money count is in euros | 05:04 | |
| unixSnob | That was mentioned on the last TWiT podcast | 05:04 |
| Navi | on skype | 05:05 |
| Lateralus | I need the latet OS image for 810 and 800. | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lateralus, enter the right code on the right page? | 05:05 |
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| Lateralus | GeneralAntilles, yes, now, some of these are early devices. | 05:05 |
| Lateralus | GeneralAntilles, eg, N00 etc. | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if the government didn't regulate telecommunications JUST enough to help maintain monopolies. | 05:05 |
| unixSnob | where you from Navi? | 05:05 |
| Navi | USA | 05:05 |
| johnx | Lateralus, it works for me (tm) | 05:06 |
| Lateralus | johnx, ok, thanks | 05:06 |
| unixSnob | And you're getting paid in euros? | 05:06 |
| Navi | No, my skype credits are in euros | 05:06 |
| Navi | I'd like to be paid in Euros, however. The USD is going down. | 05:07 |
| unixSnob | yes, that's my plan when my current contract ends | 05:07 |
| unixSnob | the downside is the green card takes 3 months | 05:08 |
| Lateralus | GeneralAntilles, it looks like I was on the 810 page when trying the 800s. I got the 800 image | 05:09 |
| Lateralus | does anyone have a working 810 mac? | 05:09 |
| ^Jsn^ | is canola tuning worth the download? | 05:09 |
| Navi | canola tuning? | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It downloads album artwork and whatnot. | 05:10 |
| unixSnob | Lasteralus- you can download the image w/out mac addy if you use the Windows download tool | 05:10 |
| ^Jsn^ | yeah it says "python scripts to tune canola" | 05:10 |
| Lateralus | unixSnob, I've seen no windows download tool? Have a link? | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lateralus, Nokia support page. | 05:11 |
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| Lateralus | GeneralAntilles, thanks | 05:11 |
| unixSnob | Not off the top of my head.. I recall seeing it somewhere though (and it was called something different) | 05:11 |
| Lateralus | unixSnob, thanks | 05:11 |
| ^Jsn^ | when u install apps on the n810, does it all go into the rom, or can u chose to install them to the built in 2 gig memory card? | 05:11 |
| k-s | ^Jsn^: yes, it is | 05:11 |
| k-s | ^Jsn^: we put some things there that we cannot add to official release | 05:12 |
| johnx | it goes into the built-in flash (not the 2GB memory card-type thing). Apps can't be installed anywhere else without a bit of hacking around | 05:12 |
| k-s | ^Jsn^: or things that we had no time to integrate properly (ie: video thumbnailing) | 05:12 |
| ^Jsn^ | oh ok | 05:13 |
| ^Jsn^ | i saw a video of canola that allowed the user to drag the screen with the thumbnails like the ipod touch, is that what the tuneing plugin is for? | 05:13 |
| k-s | ^Jsn^: canola thumb just generate the thumbnail | 05:15 |
| k-s | thumb -> tuning | 05:15 |
| k-s | ^Jsn^: the view itself is always present on Canola, go to Audio->My music->Album covers | 05:16 |
| ^Jsn^ | ok | 05:16 |
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| Lateralus | The windows downloader cannot flash the device either, this device is from before they were sold, to flash in linux I have to unpack the bin file and flash the kernel etc individually | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 05:25 |
| Lateralus | The device is labeled an "N00" | 05:25 |
| johnx | wow O_o | 05:25 |
| johnx | neat | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lateralus, search for the cnet article on installing the original N810 firmware on an N800 | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a valid MAC range on there. | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, 001d6e9c0000 to 001d6e9cffff | 05:27 |
| Lateralus | GeneralAntilles, got it, thanks! | 05:28 |
| Navi | heh | 05:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now it's in the #maemo logs. | 05:28 |
| Navi | hax | 05:28 |
| Navi | busted! | 05:28 |
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| unixSnob | i forgot this stuff was getting logged and posted public.. kinda encourages me to keep the topic strictly business | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, there's enough volume that it doesn't really matter. | 05:36 |
| Navi | You're an op? | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | One doesn't just browse 3 years of logging. | 05:36 |
| unixSnob | op? | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your face in an op. | 05:36 |
| Navi | no u | 05:36 |
| johnx | there's a search for the logs, it's not like someone is going to sit down and read them... | 05:37 |
| Navi | Anyways, anyone want to trade me an iPhone for my N800? | 05:37 |
| Navi | johnx, there ARE losers that read them | 05:37 |
| johnx | already giving up? :P | 05:37 |
| johnx | right, but losers don't count | 05:37 |
| Navi | The N800 sucks, the iPhone is vastly better than the N800 | 05:37 |
| * Navi troll | 05:38 | |
| unixSnob | The iPhone is better (for resale) | 05:39 |
| Navi | the iPhone's screen is like 2x bigger than the N800's | 05:39 |
| Navi | and it's processor is like a Core 2 Duo | 05:39 |
| johnx | also, it can fly | 05:39 |
| Navi | much better than an N800 | 05:39 |
| unixSnob | you can't be serious, is it? | 05:39 |
| Navi | yes, it can fly | 05:40 |
| Navi | you just have to use three hands to do the right gesture | 05:40 |
| johnx | you've heard it here first people | 05:40 |
| derf | Most things can, if you throw them hard enough. | 05:40 |
| pupnik | Try Rubybox! - the brand-new dosbox frontend by solmumaha. http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html | 05:40 |
| Navi | dosbox frontend? | 05:41 |
| Navi | lame >_> | 05:41 |
| derf | "With enough thurst, anything will fly." --NASA | 05:41 |
| derf | *thrust | 05:41 |
| unixSnob | what is this emoticon: >_> ? I see that a lot lately | 05:42 |
| unixSnob | rolling eyes? | 05:42 |
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| dookdook | how do you ctl-c from the x terminal? i hit the ctrl button and then i put in c, but it doesn't appear to be control c'ing (i'm trying to cancel a command line invocation)? | 05:49 |
| Navi | That's the way you do it | 05:49 |
| Navi | accept it works | 05:50 |
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| dookdook | it works for you navi? | 05:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, wikipedia says "sneer" | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that's not how I use it. | 05:52 |
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| briand | apparently, he uses it to exit xchat.... | 05:54 |
| Navi | s/accept/except/ | 05:54 |
| infobot | Navi meant: except it works | 05:54 |
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| Navi | dookdook, yes | 05:54 |
| dookdook | hmm...wonder what i'm doing wrong | 05:54 |
| Navi | I don't think he uses xchat | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm? | 05:54 |
| briand | s/xchat/IRC client/ | 05:54 |
| infobot | briand meant: apparently, he uses it to exit IRC client.... | 05:54 |
| dookdook | navi, do you mind trying this for me? go into x terminal and type "grep ' (return)" | 05:55 |
| dookdook | now try and ctr-c to escape... | 05:55 |
| Navi | dookdook, I do it all the time. | 05:55 |
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| dookdook | navi, you have the nokia n800? | 05:56 |
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| pupnik | Hows your learning SDL programming project going Navi? | 06:00 |
| johnx | dookdook, if I "grep '" from xterm ctrl-c wouldn't get me out on any linux (or Unix) | 06:01 |
| johnx | you'd need to ctrl-d | 06:01 |
| dookdook | johnx, thanks. from my xterm i can ctrl-c out of it...that was my confusion | 06:01 |
| johnx | ah...nevermind...just tested that on ubuntu | 06:02 |
| johnx | hmm...my memory must be going...probably means it's time for lunch | 06:02 |
| dookdook | i'm really sorry for all the noob question, but i have a few more. can you add a shortcut to xterm to allow for ctl-c/d? i can't seem to add a ctrl in the window that pops up for the kb shortcut thing... | 06:03 |
| johnx | type <ctrl> | 06:03 |
| johnx | I think | 06:03 |
| Navi | dookdook, yes | 06:03 |
| * johnx tries it | 06:03 | |
| Navi | pupnik, zero progress | 06:03 |
| dookdook | navi, is it in fact <ctrl>? | 06:03 |
| johnx | yeah, I have one that sends a linefeed, <ctrl>m | 06:03 |
| johnx | very handy | 06:03 |
| Navi | lol | 06:03 |
| johnx | I should probably make a shortcut for yes as well | 06:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody remind me what the value is for pipe. | 06:06 |
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| lcdd | bar | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, Bar didn't work. Thanks. | 06:08 |
| lcdd | worksforme<tm> | 06:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcdd, with a capital B. | 06:14 |
| dookdook | johnx, thanks | 06:16 |
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| pupnik | My trick to improve frozen pizzas is teh r0x. Just smear olive oil on the bottom. | 06:28 |
| johnx | gah! I just ate the last frozen pizza in the freezer the other day | 06:29 |
| * johnx will have to buy more | 06:29 | |
| Navi | >_> | 06:30 |
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| Proteous | lol | 06:30 |
| Proteous | I like to buy the simple ones and put my own toppings on them | 06:31 |
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| pupnik | Luckily the generic 'ja' brand in germany is excellent - better IMO than any of the commercial brands. And at 67 cents a pizza, it can qualify as 'unemployment food'. | 06:40 |
| Navi | XD | 06:41 |
| pupnik | Yeah Proteous me too | 06:41 |
| * johnx makes lunch | 06:41 | |
| pupnik | And pizza is never offtopic :P | 06:41 |
| Navi | of course not | 06:41 |
| Navi | developers always have to have pizza | 06:42 |
| shackan | jesus, 67cents ?! | 06:42 |
| Navi | Man, looking at these USB keyboards almost warrants just buying an iGo Ultra Slim | 06:43 |
| Navi | Like, da hell is this: http://www.nextag.com/Adesso-Rackmount-White-PS-57027350/prices-html | 06:43 |
| johnx | yeah, I know what you mean, but I think a shop around here had something decent | 06:43 |
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| Navi | and this: http://www.nextag.com/MATIAS-Corporation-FK101-Half-573789962/prices-html | 06:44 |
| ImMelody | Total newbie, but is there a list of hildon desk widgets and what they do? | 06:44 |
| pupnik | hey navi you saw i was working on fixing fceu NES emulator sound? You might like this. Here's how it was on Day 2 of 'fixing'... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iw6D4GF2bs | 06:46 |
| Navi | http://shop3.outpost.com/%7Bf5oPnLbczgbb3yyi336Jwg**.node2%7D/product/2885934;jsessionid=f5oPnLbczgbb3yyi336Jwg**.node2?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG | 06:46 |
| Navi | nice fix | 06:47 |
| Navi | :D | 06:47 |
| pupnik | brawaawanangwrrawangngngNGNWGNAWWWNGnghan! | 06:48 |
| pupnik | i liked it | 06:48 |
| Navi | The NES emulator is a bit slow, overall. | 06:48 |
| pupnik | yep! | 06:48 |
| pupnik | my new one is running 60 fps on a N770 :P | 06:48 |
| Navi | woo | 06:49 |
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| Navi | When are we going to see teh release? | 06:49 |
| johnx | ImMelody, you mean the home applets or are you talking about gtk widgets? | 06:50 |
| Navi | home applets are total widget ripoffs | 06:50 |
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| johnx | the concept is pretty old | 06:51 |
| ImMelody | gtk widgets, I think | 06:51 |
| Navi | Interesting | 06:51 |
| johnx | I don't know if you can call any of them ripoffs anymore | 06:51 |
| ImMelody | For the status bar | 06:51 |
| Navi | Is it just me, or did those five people join at the same time? | 06:51 |
| Navi | johnx, I was kiddin | 06:51 |
| ImMelody | They did join at the exact same time. | 06:51 |
| johnx | Navi, saw it hear too. I didn't know if you were joking :P | 06:51 |
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| Navi | I can see at least two of those five are the same people | 06:52 |
| johnx | aaah..."statusbar applets" is what you're looking for | 06:52 |
| * Navi thinks they're bots | 06:52 | |
| * ImMelody agress | 06:52 | |
| * ImMelody agrees* | 06:52 | |
| johnx | totally inconspicuous | 06:52 |
| johnx | they creep in like ninjas | 06:52 |
| Navi | five bots joined another channel at exactly the same time | 06:53 |
| ImMelody | I'm attempting something way over my head and assumed there would be hildondesktop/hildon-something for both network connection and bluetooth connection | 06:53 |
| ImMelody | but I guess I was wrong :D | 06:53 |
| Navi | well | 06:54 |
| johnx | ImMelody, you're looking for a combined network/bluetooth statusbar applet? | 06:54 |
| ImMelody | no, I'm trying to make one with little to no programming experience :D | 06:54 |
| Navi | lol | 06:54 |
| ImMelody | Of course, with little documentation on both, I'm probably going to fail, but it doesn't hurt to try. | 06:55 |
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| johnx | for statusbar source you could look at statusbar cpu or rm_you's advanced backlight | 06:56 |
| johnx | unfortunately, Nokia hasn't released the source to their own applets | 06:57 |
| johnx | as far as I know | 06:57 |
| Navi | where can I find xchat for ze N800? | 06:57 |
| johnx | google :) xchat chinook | 06:58 |
| johnx | first result | 06:58 |
| ImMelody | I'm already looking at the advanced backlight one.. but he has some includes that are specific to both the backlight and volume control.. Like hildon-controlbar.h and -hvolumebar.h.. I'm looking for the similar for bluetooth and network... | 06:58 |
| ImMelody | but when I look at the hildon list, nothing is especially popping out at me as such.. | 06:58 |
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| pupnik | gronmayer doesn't list ruby repositories for OS2007? | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ImMelody, I dunno that anybody outside of Nokia knows exactly how their work their connection applets. | 07:02 |
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| ImMelody | yeah.. and I'm going to give up for tonight and pick up here tomorrow night, I guess... | 07:04 |
| dragorn | ImMelody: as you might have learned already, nokia doesn't release the source for those | 07:04 |
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| ImMelody | Yeah.. I was hoping for a lucky shot in the dark to be honest.. | 07:05 |
| dragorn | ImMelody: for some reason, volume, brightness, and network control applets are considered important enough to be proprietary | 07:05 |
| dragorn | ImMelody: you'll have to write your own completely from scratch, I can tell you it'll require dbus and libconic | 07:05 |
| dragorn | beyond that I don't think it's documented much. You *might* be able to get a libconic list, but mostly you call their libs and let them do the connections | 07:06 |
| ImMelody | I'm taking the advanced backlight applet and the status bar clock to try and figure out what the hell I'm doing. | 07:06 |
| ImMelody | I know I've found some bluetooth files at least on my tablet when browsing around... so that's where I'm planning on starting. | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many states does the Bluetooth applet have? | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | On/idle/off? | 07:07 |
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| ImMelody | yeah | 07:08 |
| ImMelody | on is blue, idle is white and off disappears.. though, I was planning on making it greyed | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Planning on doing your own icon? | 07:09 |
| johnx | greyed or a red / would be nice | 07:09 |
| ImMelody | yeah | 07:09 |
| dragorn | Hell I'd like it to not take away the icon when bt is turned off | 07:09 |
| ImMelody | the graphics is the one thing I'm NOT worried about, lol | 07:09 |
| dragorn | makes turning it on non-intuitive | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having the icon show the level would be nice, too, if it's not too much of a resource hog. | 07:10 |
| Navi | where can I find xchat for ze N800? | 07:11 |
| Navi | oops | 07:11 |
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| johnx | Navi fails it :P | 07:12 |
| Navi800 | No I don't. | 07:12 |
| johnx | ah the joy of an onscreen keyboard | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5 levels of wifi (disconnected-full), 3 levels of Bluetooth (on, off, idle), 2 for phone (data call, packet data), offline. | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, 22 icons? | 07:14 |
| Navi | only 22? | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm thinking color the dot at the bottom of the normal wifi icon to indicate Bluetooth. | 07:15 |
| ImMelody | there are two sets of wifi | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | 23 | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, 25 | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ad-hoc | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there's no levels for ad-hoc. | 07:15 |
| ImMelody | public access points come up with the dot on top | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/public access points/ad-hoc/ | 07:16 |
| johnx | xp machines pretending to be access points | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That, mostly. | 07:16 |
| ImMelody | ok.. so 25 icons.. | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could also color the whole icon to indicate Bluetooth status, which would save you from having to rework the phone icons. | 07:17 |
| ImMelody | maybe white for no bluetooth, green for idle and blue for connected | 07:19 |
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| ImMelody | just to keep up with the existing color scheme | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm, most of the time it'll be idling, having the applet green most of the time doesn't suit my tastes. :P | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kinda breaks the look, too. | 07:20 |
| johnx | white for idle, red slash for off | 07:20 |
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| ImMelody | I don't really want to do a red slash over the top of the network connection | 07:22 |
| johnx | just an idea :) | 07:22 |
| ImMelody | Thanks... Maybe a faded red slash would work 25% opacity? | 07:22 |
| johnx | It really doesn't matter to me | 07:23 |
| johnx | I just throw out ideas...I'm not particularly attached to them | 07:23 |
| ImMelody | well, it made me think of the fact that it would look too much like the regular network connection if it didn't have anything on it | 07:23 |
| ImMelody | Anyways.. It's past midnight, and I gotta get the kiddo off to school in the morning. | 07:24 |
| ImMelody | Thanks for the input and ideas guys! | 07:24 |
| johnx | sure | 07:25 |
| johnx | g'night | 07:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Statusbar applet icons are fun. | 07:35 |
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| pupnik | Failed_to_Load_Buttons IMG_LoadGIF_RW: JPEG loading error | 08:08 |
| Navi800 | lol | 08:08 |
| Navi800 | :D | 08:08 |
| * pupnik sighs | 08:09 | |
| kaje | Does anyone know what the supported video resolution is for the N810? I'm trying to watch an AVI and it says "Video resolution not supported" | 08:09 |
| pupnik | with what video playing program? | 08:09 |
| Navi800 | max is 800x480 | 08:10 |
| johnx | and 800x480 won't exactly play well | 08:10 |
| Navi800 | video will be scaled down if bigger on standard players | 08:10 |
| johnx | between 400x240 and 5XX x 3XX is the sweet spot | 08:10 |
| johnx | also, you might be interested in mplayer | 08:11 |
| Navi | I use 528x480 ^^ | 08:11 |
| Navi | I need to tone it down, frame drops a tad bit | 08:11 |
| kaje | whatever the default media player is... I tried watching it on mplayer, but it skips... must be too much for the processor...? | 08:11 |
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| Navi | Not the processor's fault | 08:11 |
| johnx | that or too much data for the limited bandwidth between the CPU and LCD controller | 08:11 |
| Navi | it's the LCD controller | 08:12 |
| Navi | bus | 08:12 |
| johnx | Navi, it could be either | 08:12 |
| kaje | oh, interesting | 08:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's ALL the bus when you really get down to it. | 08:12 |
| johnx | above 640x480 you're pushing the CPU pretty hard as well | 08:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because we'd have hardware decoding if we didn't have to use a 3rd party controller. :P | 08:12 |
| Navi | woo | 08:12 |
| * Navi crosses his fingers | 08:13 | |
| Navi | come on OMAP3 | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N900 is either going to be really badass or really disappointing. | 08:17 |
| johnx | I'm glad we already moved to EABI and that they got their ABI/API breakage in when they did | 08:18 |
| Navi | If it can at least play a normal video without scaling down, I'd be happy. | 08:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if the 3440 turns out to be light enough on the power to use. | 08:20 |
| Navi | :P | 08:20 |
| Navi | I doubt that the N900 will use the 3440s anyways that the N900 will use the | 08:20 |
| Navi | ... | 08:20 |
| Navi | I doubt that the N900 will use the 3440s anyways | 08:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be the 3430 | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is plenty good | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just not quite as badass. | 08:21 |
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| Navi | Yeah | 08:42 |
| Navi | maybe :P | 08:42 |
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| pupnik | yeah, how do you know what it will use? | 08:50 |
| Navi | We don't know what it'll use, we can speculate. | 08:52 |
| Navi | s/,/ but/ | 08:52 |
| infobot | Navi meant: We don't know what it'll use but we can speculate. | 08:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There are a fairly limited number of options to choose from. | 08:53 |
| johnx | is any other Nokia product using that yet? | 08:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, there isn't anything in production with OMAP3 yet. | 08:53 |
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| Navi | today's woot is a 2GB SD card for 7 bucks | 08:53 |
| Navi | buy now! | 08:53 |
| johnx | that's almost a good deal | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Logically speaking, there's no way Nokia is gonna do an architecture change | 08:53 |
| Navi | ARM is a must for a portable device | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their partnership basically means that they wont use anything but TI | 08:54 |
| johnx | these days, there's nothing else besides x86 and ARM | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we've hit the end of the line with OMAP2. | 08:54 |
| johnx | and they have no experience with x86 | 08:54 |
| Navi | x86 is too power consuming. | 08:54 |
| johnx | it is now | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | So we're left with OMAP3. | 08:54 |
| johnx | they might stick with the OMAP2 for longer than you think though | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're due for a generational change. | 08:55 |
| Navi | sell the same hardware yet again? | 08:55 |
| Navi | how faggy, N900's hardware has to be bumped up. | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they dump another OMAP2 on us, I'm going elsewhere. <_< | 08:55 |
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| johnx | where? pandora? umpc? | 08:55 |
| Navi | Intel MID. | 08:56 |
| Navi | if applicable | 08:56 |
| johnx | I am interested in seeing the performance intel manages to get out of their new low-power chips | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pandora is the only one I know that's got OMAP3. | 08:56 |
| johnx | arstechnica is thinking they might not be much faster than ARM clock-for-clock | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, probably nowhere. | 08:57 |
| Navi | The current/older x86 line consume more power and perform horribly. | 08:57 |
| Navi | s/x86/ULV x86/ | 08:57 |
| infobot | Navi meant: The current/older ULV x86 line consume more power and perform horribly. | 08:57 |
| johnx | yeah, I know. But counting Intel out is something that comes back to bite you :) | 08:58 |
| Navi | s/x86 consume/ULV x86 consumes/ | 08:58 |
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| johnx | AMD did that once... | 08:58 |
| Navi | pah | 08:58 |
| Navi | Too bad they didn't work more on xscale | 08:58 |
| Navi | they could of taken that somewhere. | 08:58 |
| johnx | yeah, they were taking it the same direction as the P4: high clock speeds and long pipelines | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if we could kill x86 dead and move on to a real architecture. | 08:59 |
| Navi | johnx, after that, they could take it where Intel took the company, C2D line. | 08:59 |
| johnx | anyways, I'm out of here for a couple minutes... | 08:59 |
| Navi | s/the company/x86/ | 09:00 |
| infobot | Navi meant: johnx, after that, they could take it where Intel took x86, C2D line. | 09:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just love that bot, don't you? :P | 09:00 |
| Navi | I make lots of mistakes while typing, the bot gives me an excuse to be lazy | 09:00 |
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| pupnik | gah where's a good primer on sdl 8-bit palettes | 09:05 |
| Navi | O_o | 09:05 |
| Navi | are you drawing buttons? | 09:05 |
| Navi | 'cuz those buttons are dirt ugly | 09:05 |
| Navi | fceu, that is | 09:05 |
| Navi | black rectangles with white borders is much more sexier | 09:06 |
| pupnik | you can draw any buttons you want, but you have to use a default set of like 8 or 16 colors at the moment | 09:06 |
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| Navi | s/is/are/ | 09:06 |
| infobot | Navi meant: black rectangles with white borders are much more sexier | 09:06 |
| pupnik | yeah you can do simple buttons just white borders | 09:07 |
| pupnik | ls /usr/share/fceu/ | 09:07 |
| pupnik | /usr/share/fceu/a-button.bmp /usr/share/fceu/save-button.bmp | 09:07 |
| pupnik | etc | 09:07 |
| * Navi forgot he owned an N800 for a second there | 09:07 | |
| Navi | I was about to say: Heh, I don't have an N800 anyways :P | 09:08 |
| Navi | Even though it's right in front of me | 09:08 |
| pupnik | save them as 8-bit bmp, no RLE compression | 09:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Go to bed, Navi. | 09:10 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, you're one to talk. | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not forgetting I own things. :D | 09:10 |
| Navi | Oh yeah? At least I'm not GeneralAntilles. | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey! Listen! 'least I'm not Navi. | 09:12 |
| czr | at least I'm not czr. | 09:12 |
| * czr is busy being someone else, just woke up. | 09:12 | |
| * GeneralAntilles claims czr as one of his alternate personalities. | 09:13 | |
| Navi | Pimlico looks like a good PIM solution | 09:13 |
| Navi | even does syncing and crap | 09:13 |
| * czr claims GeneralAntilles as his primary personality | 09:13 | |
| czr | hah! | 09:13 |
| * czr watches GA busyloop | 09:13 | |
| Navi | czr, you know you're going to die in the first movie. | 09:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles implodes. | 09:13 | |
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| Navi | I wouldn't want to be GeneralAntilles. | 09:14 |
| czr | Navi, I knew that. | 09:14 |
| czr | Navi, that's why I'm telling de niro that I'm busy whenever he calls. | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:15 |
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| Navi | ^_^ | 09:15 |
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| Navi | You have to buy a license to use maps? | 09:30 |
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| jeddy3 | Navi, maps software, no | 09:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | License is for turn-by-turn. | 09:32 |
| jeddy3 | excactly | 09:32 |
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| melmoth | talking about that, is there some free (beer&speech) projects to get city and country road graph ? | 09:33 |
| Navi | turn-by-turn? | 09:33 |
| johnx | openstreetmap? | 09:33 |
| pupnik | unique311: around? | 09:35 |
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| unique311 | yep | 09:39 |
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| jku | openstreetmap is "graphic-only", not really graph | 09:48 |
| jku | can't handle turning restrictions as an example | 09:49 |
| johnx | I didn't know what was meant by graph | 09:51 |
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| jku | it's a shame, because it's so close... there's alot of stuff you could if the data was good | 09:52 |
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| jku | lot of stuff you could _do_ | 09:53 |
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| johnx | can't you get their data and use it any way you wanted to? | 09:53 |
| jku | sure, but the data is not computer-readable, so to speak | 09:54 |
| jku | as in: you can't optimize routes in osm data | 09:55 |
| johnx | they don't have their gpx files available? | 09:55 |
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| jku | that has nothing to do with the map data really | 09:56 |
| johnx | ah, I'm probably out of my depth with this stuff... | 09:56 |
| johnx | anyways, need to reboot my desktop into a new kernel | 09:56 |
| jku | the street data is basically hand drawn on top of gps points and maybe satellite photos | 09:57 |
| * johnx will be back (if this works) | 09:57 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't matter | 10:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only reason they tell you to leave it out is so that it actually shuts down. | 10:12 |
| nuuneoi | hi all | 10:13 |
| nuuneoi | Does anyone here know about N810 device program? | 10:13 |
| pupnik | yes | 10:14 |
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| nuuneoi | thanks :) | 10:14 |
| nuuneoi | I have some problem about discount code | 10:14 |
| nuuneoi | I tried to put my discount code in "Gift/Reward Code" | 10:15 |
| nuuneoi | but only thing I got was "The gift certificate has no balance" | 10:15 |
| nuuneoi | Did I do something wrong? | 10:15 |
| nuuneoi | for more information, I tried to buy it via nokiausa.com | 10:16 |
| pupnik | did you use the second code they sent you? | 10:17 |
| nuuneoi | first and second are the same | 10:17 |
| InteliWasp | yay it's done! | 10:17 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11618&highlight=discount+codes dunno check the thread for discussion nuuneoi | 10:17 |
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| nuuneoi | really thanks pupnik | 10:18 |
| nuuneoi | actually I browsed through internettablettalk already | 10:18 |
| nuuneoi | but look like no one have same problem as me T_T | 10:18 |
| nuuneoi | thank you anyway, pupnik | 10:19 |
| nuuneoi | look like I can't do anything | 10:20 |
| nuuneoi | T_T | 10:20 |
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| melmoth | gstreamer question: what i cannot connect the output of wavparse to an autoaudiodetectsink | 10:44 |
| melmoth | i suppose there must be some stuff to plug in betwenn the 2. any idea ? | 10:44 |
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| pupnik | dunno | 10:55 |
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| pupnik | melmoth: what's the lowest cpu cost, closest-to-native audio sink? seems like gstreamer is the answer, yes? | 10:55 |
| melmoth | i have no clue at all | 10:56 |
| melmoth | sound is completly new to me | 10:56 |
| melmoth | and i suck at it, big style :) | 10:56 |
| melmoth | currently, i use mplayer to play wav file generated on the fly, but i guess it s no good, nor for the cpu load, not for memory usage, not for memory card life expectancy | 10:57 |
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| pupnik | with gst-tools you can play a sound file (mp3, wav) from a system call | 11:00 |
| * melmoth is googling it | 11:01 | |
| melmoth | the root of my problem is: to generate french text to speak on the fly | 11:01 |
| melmoth | so i use espeak, who just does not seem to make sound when i launch it, but it can generate wav on stdout | 11:02 |
| melmoth | first problem i have is to play wave file with a more regular gstreamer chain than 'playbin'. | 11:02 |
| pupnik | maybe the thing to do is fix espeak | 11:03 |
| melmoth | mhhh. may be | 11:03 |
| pupnik | if you just want a program to play wav files quickly i might have one that works | 11:04 |
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| ynezz | Hoho, my N810 just arrived. And I don't have to pay anything to the customs! :D | 11:14 |
| GnutoN810 | hi | 11:15 |
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| melmoth | pupnik: do you have an url ? | 11:20 |
| melmoth | i have a solution right now (mplayer), but it s a crappy one. | 11:20 |
| melmoth | i need to play with gstreamer again before making a cleaner solution | 11:21 |
| melmoth | right now, it s too weird for me, need to read more and play more before writing my own stuff | 11:21 |
| pupnik | gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=whatever.wav ! wavparse ! dsppcmsink | 11:23 |
| pupnik | or something | 11:23 |
| pupnik | see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2006-12-16.log.html and other logs about gst-launch | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:23 |
| melmoth | or the gst-launch worsk | 11:26 |
| melmoth | what i dont get is if i make the same chain in python, then it says wavparser cannot be plugged in my audiosink | 11:26 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:27 |
| melmoth | so i m wondering if gst-launch may not add some filter of some sort automagically in the chain | 11:27 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: playbin? | 11:28 |
| melmoth | it works with playbin, but then playbin looks like a black box to me | 11:28 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: extend your question, I just arrived now | 11:29 |
| melmoth | AD-N770: final goal is to use espeak to make french text to speech | 11:30 |
| melmoth | i can generate wav on the fly as espeak stdout | 11:30 |
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| melmoth | i m looking to play this wavfile with python. Right now, i wirte it on a file, and play it with mplayer. | 11:31 |
| melmoth | I have 2 problems: 1) wich audiosink to plug the output of the wavparse plugin to. | 11:31 |
| melmoth | 2) how to feedb the stdout of epseak to the gstreamer chain instead of using a file source | 11:32 |
| AD-N770 | for 1) your probably need audioconvert ! dsppcmsink | 11:32 |
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| melmoth | AD-N770: on my laptop now, so using alsasink instead of dsppcmsink. I ll try audioconvert,but if i need it, why si the following making sound ? : | 11:33 |
| melmoth | gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location = "/home/melmoth/deng.wav" ! wavparse ! alsasink | 11:33 |
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| AD-N770 | melmoth: sorry, I thought that I was on maemo | 11:34 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: audioconvert ! alsasink | 11:34 |
| melmoth | You are on maemo, when i test stuff on laptop i use alsasink, and i switch to dsppcmsink on the table (but i feel more conveninet to test stuff on the lappy) | 11:35 |
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| AD-N770 | melmoth: I'm agree it's easier to do on the laptop :) | 11:36 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: you can use also autoaudiosink | 11:36 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: which will be the default audio sink of the platform | 11:37 |
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| melmoth | AD-N770: http://pastebin.com/d19e676a7 gives me: wavparser.link(convert) | 11:39 |
| melmoth | gst.LinkError: failed to link wav-parser with audio-convert | 11:39 |
| AD-N770 | let me check | 11:39 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:42 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=t.wav ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! alsasink | 11:42 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: this work for me | 11:42 |
| melmoth | with gst-launch it works | 11:42 |
| melmoth | even without the audioconvert | 11:42 |
| melmoth | gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location = "/home/melmoth/deng.wav" ! wavparse ! alsasink | 11:43 |
| melmoth | this maks bing | 11:43 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: I suggest you to add audioconvert to be sure that the wav format matches the required one by the sink | 11:44 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: this is what playbin does | 11:44 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/chapter-helloworld.html#section-helloworld | 11:45 |
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| AD-N770 | melmoth: srcpads from wavparse are Availability: Sometimes | 11:46 |
| melmoth | AD-N770: this is where i m lost, i try to compare the src capability of wavparse and the sink capability of alsasink | 11:46 |
| melmoth | yep, gst-inspect show me "sometimes" too. I wonder whta does it mean :=) | 11:47 |
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| AD-N770 | melmoth: I think that you have two different problems, you can't link all the elements directly in your code | 11:47 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: you need to wait until the srcpad for wavparse is created | 11:47 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: and then link the audioconvert ! alsasink pair | 11:48 |
| melmoth | ok, that is a good hint. | 11:48 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: the sample code in the previous url does that | 11:48 |
| melmoth | ok thanks, i ll study this url closely then. | 11:49 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: read the comment: /* link together - note that we cannot link the parser and | 11:49 |
| AD-N770 | * decoder yet, becuse the parser uses dynamic pads. For that, | 11:49 |
| AD-N770 | * we set a pad-added signal handler. */ | 11:49 |
| melmoth | ok, i need to get signaled when a new pad is in the pipe, and only link the new pad in the callback, so m i sure it existe when the link occurs. | 11:51 |
| melmoth | or so i guess | 11:51 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: yes | 11:51 |
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| dookdook | does anyone have a small project as a suggestion for me to program? something to get my feet wet but not completely useless? | 12:01 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: look at fdsrc element to push data to your pipeline from espeak stdout | 12:01 |
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| AD-N770 | melmoth: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Speech_synthesis | 12:03 |
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| melmoth | Hmmm | 12:08 |
| melmoth | espeak --stdout "Ello world." | gst-launch-0.10 fdsrc fd=0 ! wavparse ! alsasink | 12:08 |
| melmoth | this works. | 12:08 |
| melmoth | i m sure i did not manage to make it work this week end :) | 12:09 |
| melmoth | i wonder what i did wrong, now it just..works | 12:09 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: do you want to write arm assembly optimizations? | 12:20 |
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| dookdook | ad-n770, i guess i could be persuaded...haven't done assembly in a couple of years. might be fun. what'd you have in mind? | 12:35 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libmpeg2/idct_armv5te.c?root=mplayer&view=markup | 12:37 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: I wrote this sometime ago to speed up mpeg2 decoding on arm5e (n770) | 12:38 |
| AD-N770 | dookbook: I know that could be rewritten for arm6/n8x0 using the new media instructions | 12:38 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: but I don't find time to write it :) | 12:39 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: I'm waiting for a baby in next two weeks | 12:40 |
| dookdook | congrats. | 12:40 |
| dookdook | what kind of state is this in? | 12:40 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: it works and provided an improvement of about 10% on the nokia 770 | 12:40 |
| dookdook | the n800 uses a slightly different chip? so this wouldn't work for the n800? | 12:41 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: It also works on the n800 | 12:41 |
| dookdook | ah, but there are more improvements to be made? | 12:41 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: arm6 includes all features of arm5e | 12:41 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: arm6 include SMLAD/SMLSD instructions that performs the two multiplies and add/substract on 16bits operands that are perfect for the butterflies | 12:44 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: also the cliping can be done with only one instruction SSAT/USAT instead of several instructions in a conditional | 12:46 |
| dookdook | i've never done mpeg decoding before. can you give me some pointers to tutorials/web sites (or just give me an overview)? and do you have a list of the instruction set for the arm6? | 12:47 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp, I use to have the Quick Reference Card printed at hand | 12:49 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/MPEG/HTML/idct_discussion/Index.html | 12:56 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: http://www.bretl.com/mpeghtml/MPEGindex.htm | 13:00 |
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| dookdook | so the nokia is arm 1136? | 13:05 |
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| johnx | it's whatever an OMAP2420 is :) | 13:07 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: yes, for n8x0 | 13:07 |
| dookdook | sorry, i can't seem to find the quick reference for the armv6 instruction set... | 13:08 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: is a generic arm quick reference card | 13:09 |
| AD-N770 | I'm searching it | 13:09 |
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| dookdook | think i found it. ARC0001_UAL.pdf? | 13:10 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.qrc0001l/index.html | 13:11 |
| dookdook | awsome, thanks...just to make sure, i'm lookin at the arm1136jf-s and arm1136j-s technical reference? | 13:14 |
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| koshi | Hmhm, thought OMAP was based on arm10 | 13:15 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: the quick reference is good for me, the document is ARM QRC 0001L | 13:18 |
| dookdook | got that one too | 13:20 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: wow, the code is that I told you is currently written | 13:20 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/armv4l/simple_idct_armv6.S?view=markup | 13:20 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: you could just merge it to mplayer | 13:20 |
| hugolp | Hi, anyone using spa3102 to do VOIP with the N800? | 13:21 |
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| hugolp | Im trying to use the SIP beta of OS2008 and it just works for incoming calls to the N800. When I try to dial with the N800 it doesnt work | 13:22 |
| hugolp | other sip softphones are working so it has to be a problem of the N800 SIP stack | 13:22 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: it's not exactly the same that I see on libmpeg2 but it's close to it | 13:24 |
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| dookdook | ad-n770, what do you mean already written? meaning the optimizations you were talking about are already in ffmpeg or a non-optimized dct is encoded into ffmpeg (for armv6) and i could just use the optimizations from the mpeg2dec and put them into the ffmpeg source? | 13:25 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: in the ffmpeg there's an idct written in armv6 that you can use as sample to write the libmpeg2 one | 13:25 |
| AD-N770 | dookdook: for the maemo mplayer | 13:26 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: the ffmpeg version is optimized using the tricks that I said before, it's not exactly the same IDCT but it's closer to the one that is used in mplayer/libmpeg2 | 13:27 |
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| AD-N770 | dookdook: if you go ahead on this optimization, I've some more ideas to speedup the mpeg2 decoding on the n8x0 | 13:34 |
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| dookdook | ok, let me get my bearings... | 13:34 |
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| ssvb | AD-N770: it also makes sense using ffmpeg lowres decoding for mpeg2 (DVD resolution videos) | 14:12 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: is ffmpeg lowres decoding doing downscale at compressed domain? | 14:13 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: like cacluate IDCT 8x8 on a whole macroblock using only part of it and using motion vectors halved | 14:15 |
| ssvb | AD-N770: yes, it uses 4x4 idct and tweaks for motion compensation to use it with lower resolution | 14:15 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: nice, I would like have it on libmpeg2 :) | 14:15 |
| ssvb | AD-N770: why? | 14:16 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: this was the idea that I had some time ago | 14:16 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: and there's a gstreamer element that is written on top of libmpeg2 | 14:16 |
| ssvb | AD-N770: there should be also gstreamer element written on top of ffmpeg | 14:17 |
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| AD-N770 | ssvb: yes, but the libmpeg2 is lighter | 14:17 |
| ssvb | libmpeg2 is GPL licensed, so that probably makes it harder to use in maemo stack with lots of binary components | 14:17 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: I would like to use it to play streams from my dreambox sat receiver and libmpeg2 would be also enough | 14:19 |
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| ssvb | AD-N770: that's interesting, I'm also researching this idea :) | 14:20 |
| Khertan | someone have already send packages to extras ? | 14:20 |
| ssvb | AD-N770: what network bandwidth is required for dreambox? | 14:20 |
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| melmoth | AD-N770: I should have read the olpc page better , there is a link (http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/4002) to a bug that is most probably the cause of my problems redirecting stdout. | 14:22 |
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| Khertan | who choose the "pearl" on maemo.org/downloads ? | 14:22 |
| melmoth | so, i still have to write stuff to a file for now (this is the workaround used on olpc too), but at least i do not have to launch mplayer anymore | 14:22 |
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| melmoth | Khertan: i did | 14:22 |
| Khertan | your choice i s based on what ? | 14:23 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: I think that dreambox just resend the TS coming from the sat so it will depend on the channel received and the bandwidth used by it | 14:23 |
| melmoth | i meant, i did push stuff on extras | 14:23 |
| melmoth | i did not took the pearl | 14:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 14:23 |
| Khertan | hum ... i ve some problem trying to send package with scp from the tablet ... my authentification is always refuse | 14:23 |
| Khertan | as i ve entered my ssh-rsa key i don't understand why ... | 14:24 |
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| melmoth | oh, yeah, i forgot you are not using dput. | 14:24 |
| Khertan | yes :) | 14:24 |
| melmoth | Khertan: what about using a debian or ubuntu just for this purpose ? | 14:24 |
| melmoth | in a vmware or in a xen vm ? | 14:24 |
| XATRIX | hi....can i install linux on 810 tablet ? i mean gentoo ? | 14:24 |
| XATRIX | is this possible ? | 14:24 |
| Khertan | the purpose is to be able to upload from the tablet :) | 14:24 |
| ssvb | AD-N770: well, I would like to know the numbers, wlan driver will most likely kill all the performance | 14:24 |
| AD-N770 | melmoth: do you know if espeak output can be managed directly? you could use appsrc to inject the data to the gstreamer pipeline | 14:24 |
| sp3000 | khertan: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/introducing_niels_breet.html perhaps, though I wouldn't know the respective timelines | 14:24 |
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| melmoth | AD-N770: i do not know what do you mean by 'managed directly', i had a look in espeak sources, but i dont get it (c++) | 14:25 |
| ssvb | AD-N770: You can also check this thread on ITT where lowres decoding is mentioned: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16986 | 14:25 |
| melmoth | i will have a look at what can be done with appsrc | 14:25 |
| pupnik_ | it's amazing how well dithering works at 225 dpi | 14:26 |
| melmoth | but i think it will not work (the problem in espeak seems to be it says teh wav file as a 0 size in the header when generated on the fly) | 14:26 |
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| pupnik_ | hi ssvb. i have a new project running at 60 fps :) needs vsync eventually. maybe when it's ready for release you might want to look at it - the tearing is annoying :) | 14:27 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: in my attempt with vlc and the 770 I was only being able to decode 3 fps at full res | 14:27 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/pupnikNES.jpg | 14:27 |
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| AD-N770 | ssvb: I would like try it again with gstreamer/libmpeg2 doing lowres decoding and using dspmp3sink for the audio | 14:28 |
| johnx | pupnik_, that's hot! | 14:28 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: and usign xv for rendering/colorspace conversion | 14:28 |
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| pupnik_ | :) want to do the sound backend johnx ? | 14:29 |
| johnx | ahaha...sorry, I'm not your man for that | 14:29 |
| pupnik_ | nobody is | 14:29 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: that's why I would like to have an arm6 idct on libmpeg2 first | 14:29 |
| ssvb | AD-N770: dspmp3sink is bad for performance in OS2008, it reduces clock frequency from 400MHz to 330MHz | 14:29 |
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| pupnik_ | ooh ty for that info | 14:30 |
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| ssvb | pupnik_: what resolution is it using? | 14:30 |
| pupnik_ | of course if you need mp3, playing back with cpu will probably hurt more than dropping from 400 to 300 mhz | 14:30 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: then also try using libmad :) | 14:30 |
| pupnik_ | ssvb approx 256x240 for the game window (pixel doubled) | 14:31 |
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| XATRIX | please advice me how can i purshase Nokia 810 via internet shop ? | 14:31 |
| pupnik_ | depends on clipping options | 14:31 |
| XATRIX | where can i buy it ? | 14:31 |
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| pupnik_ | in .ru? dunno | 14:32 |
| pupnik_ | take a vacation to new york :) | 14:32 |
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| ssvb | AD-N770: mplayer is using libmad in OS2008 | 14:38 |
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| eichi | hello, is there a way to use the extern SD card with ext2 or 3? | 15:07 |
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| XATRIX | please tell me where can i buy N810 ? | 15:10 |
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| XATRIX | any idea ? | 15:10 |
| Zero_Dogg | nokia's online shop? | 15:10 |
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| XATRIX | Zero_Dogg> how much does it cost ? | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | dunno, depends on country | 15:13 |
| lcuk | go look on nokia site | 15:13 |
| ddavies | Hi. I have a Nokia 770 and want to be able to play ogg files. I see an ogg package, but don't know which year to download or how to run it on the 770. | 15:13 |
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| melmoth | ddavies: i think it depends wich os version are you using | 15:15 |
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| ddavies | melmoth: how do I find the OS version? | 15:17 |
| melmoth | i guess settings/control pannel/about this product | 15:18 |
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| XATRIX | Zero_Dogg, lcuk > can i purchase N810 in a web-shop? somewhere in Europe ? in get it posted to me ? | 15:19 |
| XATRIX | please advice me some shops ? | 15:19 |
| melmoth | the look for "ogg" in the matching download category: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ (or OS2007 or OS2006) | 15:19 |
| ddavies | ah: version is 3.2005.51-13 | 15:20 |
| pupnik | http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/default.aspx XATRIX there is where I got mine | 15:20 |
| melmoth | is it OS2006,OS2007 or OS2008 ? | 15:20 |
| melmoth | hmm, most probably OS2006 | 15:21 |
| ddavies | Yeah, I guess I'll try OS2006, then. | 15:21 |
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| XATRIX | pupnik> ohh....i don't know Deutch | 15:23 |
| XATRIX | :( | 15:23 |
| ddavies | oh, but there doesn't seem to be an ogg for OS2006. I think I'll flash OS2008 and then install ogg. Does that sound reasonable? | 15:24 |
| pupnik | You should check with russian customs also XATRIX - it could be expensive to ship | 15:24 |
| pupnik | XATRIX: i don't know of a good answer. if you must pay customs/duties on it, then possibly ordering from the USA will be cheapest. | 15:25 |
| ddavies | well, thanks and bye for now! | 15:27 |
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| XATRIX | pupnik> i'm currently live in ukraine...and i can purchase N810 only for 550$ ! i guess it would have lower cost in other country... | 15:31 |
| XATRIX | and shipping ? is it really expensive to ship with DHL delivery system ? | 15:31 |
| johnx | you could try to buy one on ebay | 15:32 |
| aquatix | XATRIX: you could try finding someone you trust in the US, have it ship to him her [from amazon.com], and then to you | 15:32 |
| T0b0tras | XATRIX: buy N800, its cheaper :) | 15:32 |
| aquatix | N810 is abou $410 now iir | 15:32 |
| aquatix | *iirc | 15:32 |
| pupnik | it's about $550 in germany | 15:33 |
| pupnik | or more | 15:33 |
| aquatix | US $ is really cheap ;) | 15:33 |
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| pupnik | europe has a lot of socialist government costs added to everything | 15:34 |
| aquatix | heheh | 15:35 |
| * aquatix knows | 15:35 | |
| aquatix | i'm from the netherlands | 15:35 |
| aquatix | it wasn't even available here till recently | 15:35 |
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| XATRIX | hm | 15:44 |
| XATRIX | what can you say about http://www.superetrader.co.uk/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-p-2974.html | 15:44 |
| XATRIX | ~276 $ | 15:45 |
| aquatix | £276.13 | 15:45 |
| aquatix | mind the pound sign | 15:45 |
| aquatix | that's pound sterling | 15:46 |
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| XATRIX | oh.. | 15:46 |
| aquatix | so, that's 1.5x that in euro's | 15:46 |
| aquatix | i think | 15:46 |
| XATRIX | it's not good :( | 15:47 |
| dookdook | probably more like 2x | 15:47 |
| derf | 1.32x | 15:47 |
| derf | 2x would be US$. | 15:47 |
| dookdook | oh, sorry...yes, absolutely true. (i'm american) | 15:48 |
| aquatix | dookdook: yeah, US$ is taking a nose dive :/ | 15:48 |
| XATRIX | Nokia N800 = 529 $ here | 15:48 |
| XATRIX | it's goddamned very high price | 15:49 |
| aquatix | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204120143&sr=8-1 | 15:49 |
| aquatix | 391.10 US$ | 15:49 |
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| XATRIX | wow | 15:49 |
| XATRIX | that is very nice | 15:50 |
| aquatix | but you'll need to get it through somewhere who lives in the US | 15:50 |
| aquatix | as they don't ship to europe i think | 15:50 |
| XATRIX | :((( | 15:50 |
| XATRIX | everywhere is it's own problem | 15:51 |
| * aquatix got it that way though | 15:51 | |
| XATRIX | i have noone known in usa | 15:52 |
| * aquatix only through IRC :P | 15:52 | |
| XATRIX | :) | 15:53 |
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| XATRIX | eh....it seems to me i would buy N770(used) "from hands"....200$ :((( | 15:55 |
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| aquatix | XATRIX: better buy a n800 | 15:56 |
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| XATRIX | anyway, is it possible to install Gentoo Linux on 770 ? | 15:56 |
| johnx | maybe, you'd be the first one to try it I think | 15:56 |
| XATRIX | aquatix> i know...but it too expensive here in Ukraine :( | 15:56 |
| XATRIX | wait a sec | 15:57 |
| johnx | you should really find a way to get an N800 or N810 | 15:57 |
| johnx | the 770 isn't worth it at $200 | 15:57 |
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| XATRIX | please take a look here ? | 15:59 |
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| XATRIX | http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/2496397.png | 15:59 |
| XATRIX | is it true ? :) | 15:59 |
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| johnx | that you can install KDE? yes | 15:59 |
| XATRIX | Nokia 770 XFCE theme - Debian-GTK | 16:00 |
| BTobotras | Why not? | 16:00 |
| XATRIX | but there's it's own OS2007 | 16:00 |
| XATRIX | how can i install other on it ? | 16:00 |
| XATRIX | other WM | 16:00 |
| johnx | you just find instructions on the Internet or learn to do it yourself | 16:01 |
| BTobotras | XATRIX: OS200x is just Linux kernel and linux infrastructure. Install whatever you like. | 16:01 |
| * aquatix rather likes Hildon and such though | 16:01 | |
| XATRIX | WOW :) | 16:01 |
| XATRIX | even compiz ? :) | 16:01 |
| johnx | no 3D acceleration... | 16:02 |
| johnx | probably not enough memory | 16:02 |
| XATRIX | aah :( | 16:02 |
| * aquatix saw compiz on an Eee | 16:02 | |
| aquatix | rather impressive | 16:02 |
| XATRIX | someone told me that he was running Windows XP on 770 :) | 16:02 |
| BTobotras | And goal of tablet is not exactly "burn the battery in 30mins by dancing bells'n'whistles" | 16:02 |
| johnx | the person who told you it can run XP is probably joking | 16:03 |
| XATRIX | take a look winxp | 16:04 |
| maddler | morning all | 16:04 |
| XATRIX | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nS9kOtA7A | 16:04 |
| XATRIX | maybe i understand something wrong.... | 16:04 |
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| johnx | I think that is rdesktop or vnc | 16:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's rdesktop. | 16:06 |
| XATRIX | are you sure ? | 16:07 |
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| BTobotras | Absolutely. Windows do not run on ARM CPU. | 16:08 |
| XATRIX | so...i can youse rdesktop soft on my future 770 ? :)))) | 16:08 |
| XATRIX | THATS GREAT! | 16:08 |
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| johnx | rdesktop can just *connect* to a computer running windows, and display the windows desktop on the 770 | 16:08 |
| johnx | XATRIX, you should definitely try to get an N800 instead of a 770 | 16:09 |
| johnx | make some friends in the US or UK :) | 16:09 |
| shackan | of course, neither the 770 or the n800 will never ever run xp | 16:09 |
| XATRIX | johnx> why do you thing it would be much better to get N800 instead of 770 ? what are the main differences ? | 16:10 |
| felipec | XATRIX: it's supported? | 16:11 |
| XATRIX | supported what ? | 16:11 |
| johnx | it has twice as much RAM, it's CPU is about 1.5x as fast, and Nokia (and other people) still release new software for it | 16:11 |
| XATRIX | sorry for my english...i'm not native | 16:11 |
| johnx | supported = Nokia still release software updates | 16:12 |
| XATRIX | johnx> so...software that designed for 800 wouldn't run on 770 ? | 16:12 |
| aquatix | XATRIX: indeed | 16:12 |
| XATRIX | johnx> what software updates? if it uses linux ,(not own nokia os) | 16:13 |
| aquatix | it doesn't matter if you buy the n800 or the n810, but the n770 is a lot slower, and nokia does not make updates for it anymore | 16:13 |
| johnx | the kernel is Linux, but Nokia releases a lot of custom software for it | 16:13 |
| pupnik | gah, using vi commands on ITT forum posts | 16:13 |
| aquatix | pupnik: :) | 16:14 |
| aquatix | n770 basically was a prototype i guess :) | 16:14 |
| XATRIX | but if i can install almost all linux apps.....it wouldn't be need to use nokia update at all....would it ? | 16:14 |
| pupnik | i love my 770. it's a tank. | 16:15 |
| aquatix | that's true | 16:15 |
| aquatix | XATRIX: erm, well, you can't just install a linux app | 16:15 |
| aquatix | it has to be adapted for maemo | 16:15 |
| johnx | you don't need to, but there is a lot of nice Nokia software | 16:15 |
| johnx | XATRIX, it can require a lot of knowledge about Linux and quite a bit of effort to make just any Linux program run | 16:16 |
| XATRIX | for example i can't use midnight commander from the sources ? | 16:16 |
| Juhaz | and more importantly, lot of nice non-Nokia software that is no longer maintained for OS2006, unless you want to do EVERYTHING yourself, it's lot easier to be using something most other packagers still work on. | 16:16 |
| aquatix | mc would be possible i guess | 16:16 |
| johnx | you would have to compile it yourself if no one else has released a version compiled for the Nokia tablet | 16:16 |
| BTobotras | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# apt-cache search midnight | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 is a LOT faster than the 770. | 16:17 |
| BTobotras | mc - midnight commander - a powerful file manager | 16:17 |
| johnx | and cross-compiling (compiling for the tablet, on a desktop computer) is a lot harder than a regular compile | 16:17 |
| BTobotras | GeneralAntilles: you mean 770 is EVEN MORE SLOW?! :) | 16:17 |
| BTobotras | johnx: I wouldn't say so | 16:17 |
| XATRIX | so...i know that gentoo-linux kernel supports ARM arch.....so i possibly can run it on 770 ? and mannually compile soft for it ? | 16:17 |
| ssvb | pupnik: i love my 770 too, it's more handy than n800 in my opinion. and they both are order of magnitude slower than desktop PCs :) | 16:17 |
| * aquatix loves his n810 | 16:18 | |
| XATRIX | BTobotras> wow :) | 16:18 |
| aquatix | and his bluetooth iGo keyboard | 16:18 |
| pupnik | ssvb and 770 can now do NES emulation at 60 fps :) | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | XATRIX, the bluetooth and wifi drivers are closed source. | 16:18 |
| XATRIX | GeneralAntilles> i know...but i have no money for it in ukraine.....it costs here 550$ | 16:18 |
| johnx | XATRIX, the N800 and N810 are two different things | 16:19 |
| johnx | the N810 is still $400+ in the US, and the N800 is $200 in the US | 16:19 |
| XATRIX | GeneralAntilles> emm...there's a soft called "ndiswrapper" i'm using it with my lappy, it can run win drivers on linux box | 16:19 |
| johnx | XATRIX, there *are* no windows drivers for the wireless chip in the N800 | 16:20 |
| aquatix | johnx: n810 is 391 at amazon.com :) | 16:20 |
| XATRIX | johnx> in ukraine you can only find N770 USED for 200$ :) | 16:20 |
| onion | XATRIX & johnx: and there is no ARM windows... | 16:20 |
| aquatix | and the n810 is quite a bit smaller than the n800 | 16:20 |
| aquatix | and i like the keyboard and gps | 16:20 |
| johnx | onion, thanks for clearing that up :P | 16:20 |
| XATRIX | what wifi chip nokia uses ? | 16:20 |
| johnx | a custom one from connexant | 16:21 |
| johnx | I think it's called the cx3110x | 16:21 |
| XATRIX | could you give me a full name of it ? | 16:21 |
| johnx | but it doesn't matter because ndiswrapper won't work... | 16:21 |
| johnx | anyways, all it means is you're stuck with Nokia's kernel, you can still use a distribution, but it will take sooo long to compile all the software you need | 16:22 |
| johnx | and you couldn't even find a memory card big enough to hold the source code you need | 16:22 |
| johnx | XATRIX, make a friend in the US, get them to buy you an N800 for $200 and send it to you, or find an ebay seller with international shipping | 16:22 |
| XATRIX | hm....i heard that gentoo linux could be in 6MB or les | 16:23 |
| XATRIX | *les | 16:23 |
| ssvb | XATRIX: 770 does not support memory cards above 2GB, and 64MB RAM is a bit too small for native compilation (gentoo is about native compilation, right?) | 16:23 |
| johnx | but it takes space to compile | 16:23 |
| aquatix | ebay is expensive btw | 16:23 |
| johnx | aquatix, any suggestions for where he can buy it and get it shipped to the Ukraine? | 16:24 |
| onion | johnx: nfs | 16:24 |
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| XATRIX | Conexant Products | 16:24 |
| XATRIX | CX53121 — Single-Chip 802.11a/b/g with SPI Interface. | 16:24 |
| XATRIX | In this article, they say Conexant Systems supports Linux. | 16:24 |
| XATRIX | onion> nfs ? | 16:25 |
| johnx | that's not the right chipset... | 16:25 |
| johnx | and conexant does support Linux with a closed source driver | 16:25 |
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| onion | XATRIX: build on a nfs mount | 16:25 |
| aquatix | johnx: well, through a `friend' in the US, ordering it at amazon.com | 16:25 |
| aquatix | easiest way i think | 16:26 |
| * aquatix did it that way | 16:26 | |
| * johnx agrees | 16:26 | |
| ssvb | XATRIX: you can find wlan driver here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x | 16:26 |
| onion | or perhaps using an AoE "disk", might be faster(?) | 16:26 |
| ssvb | XATRIX: open source part of it at least | 16:27 |
| dookdook | i'm a little confused how to use this scratchbox and sdk environment. i've downloaded scratchbox, xephyr and the sdk. i run scratchbox, and it gives me a prompt CHINOOK_ARMEL, whereas in the tutorials its all x86...whats going on? | 16:27 |
| XATRIX | ok...i'll try to make some friend in us | 16:27 |
| XATRIX | but if i failed....i have to buy 770... | 16:27 |
| XATRIX | i have no other choise | 16:28 |
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| johnx | try *really hard* to get an N800 or N810 | 16:28 |
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| ssvb | XATRIX: also beware of customs and other formalities, which take lots of time and money (at least here in Belarus) | 16:28 |
| XATRIX | anyway my first car was BMW 323i 1981 :))) | 16:28 |
| aquatix | ah yes, let the US guy send it to you as gift :) | 16:29 |
| XATRIX | :) | 16:29 |
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| ynezz | gift could be also charged | 16:29 |
| pupnik | I had a 81 323i too. Loved it. | 16:29 |
| XATRIX | ssvb> i was a customs officer last year :)) | 16:29 |
| aquatix | true, but it's slightly less likely | 16:29 |
| ynezz | if the custom thinks it's to valuable | 16:29 |
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| ynezz | s/to/too | 16:29 |
| aquatix | ynezz: don't put the contents explicitely on the box ;) | 16:30 |
| ynezz | I didn't "Consumer electronic $60" | 16:30 |
| ynezz | :) | 16:30 |
| onion | XATRIX: where are you located? | 16:30 |
| ynezz | paid nothing just Amazon | 16:30 |
| XATRIX | onion> Ukraine/Crimea/Yalta | 16:31 |
| XATRIX | Black see | 16:31 |
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| XATRIX | *sea | 16:31 |
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| ynezz | there's no forwarding service available in Ukraine? | 16:32 |
| ynezz | I've used one forwarding company to send my N810 from US to Czechia | 16:32 |
| ssvb | XATRIX: 770 may be a good choice, but only if you can compile software for it yourself | 16:32 |
| ssvb | XATRIX: but WSOD is another factor to consider... | 16:33 |
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| XATRIX | WSOD ? | 16:33 |
| johnx | it's a hardware problems with some 770s called the "white screen of death" | 16:34 |
| XATRIX | ohhh | 16:34 |
| ssvb | XATRIX: google "Nokia 770 WSOD" | 16:34 |
| Juhaz | get used one and WSOD is a non-issue, besides, 800 had display problems too, even if they weren't quite that serious. | 16:34 |
| johnx | Juhaz, why is it a non-issue with a used 770? | 16:34 |
| Juhaz | because it would've happened already if it were about to. | 16:35 |
| pupnik | i've seen several wsod's (display controller went all goofy) and after a battery pullout it recovered | 16:36 |
| XATRIX | n800 has FM tuner right? and 770 has no one ? | 16:36 |
| pupnik | yes | 16:36 |
| onion | I had my 770 go bootlooping if the battery goes dead.. and then it's reflashing time | 16:36 |
| johnx|zaurus | pupnik, well there are software causes and hardware causes... | 16:36 |
| * aquatix is gone | 16:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | onion, you should've turned off the watchdog instead. | 16:37 |
| pupnik | johnx|zaurus: well this was clearly a controller problem, not software drawing goofy pixels. what the root cause was, i don't know. | 16:37 |
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| onion | GeneralAntilles: does not help | 16:37 |
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| johnx|zaurus | pupnik, scary | 16:38 |
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| onion | GeneralAntilles: as it won't even boot up to charge mode | 16:38 |
| johnx|zaurus | though I've had my zaurus go whitescreen from high battery draw from a wifi cf card | 16:38 |
| johnx|zaurus | anyways | 16:39 |
| johnx|zaurus | good night all | 16:40 |
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| XATRIX | anyway i could listen to the radio via 3G network :) | 16:41 |
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| onion | XATRIX: expansys is pretty cheap, they might ship to you(?) | 16:41 |
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| ynezz | here it's as twice as the price of it in US | 16:42 |
| XATRIX | onion> who can ship to me it ? | 16:43 |
| onion | XATRIX: expansys | 16:44 |
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| XATRIX | emm....have you a www link on em ? | 16:45 |
| johnx | expansys.com | 16:45 |
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| kpel | hello | 16:47 |
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| Navi_ | How do I set where to download maps to in maemo mapper? | 17:03 |
| melmoth | i usually start do downlad at a really high zoom | 17:03 |
| melmoth | then go whereever i want | 17:03 |
| melmoth | (or use the ste location to gps fetaure you there is one) | 17:03 |
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| Navi_ | I ment | 17:03 |
| Navi_ | Where to store the maps | 17:04 |
| Navi_ | like the SD card. | 17:04 |
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| melmoth | map/manage maps ? | 17:04 |
| melmoth | nay | 17:04 |
| MoRpHeUz | Navi_: Menu> Maps > Manage repositories | 17:04 |
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| melmoth | map/manage repository | 17:04 |
| Navi_ | thank you | 17:04 |
| MoRpHeUz | and then I think it puts the images in the same place it puts the db file | 17:05 |
| MoRpHeUz | so, change "Cache DB" option | 17:05 |
| Navi_ | segfaulted >_> | 17:05 |
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| Navi_ | had a corrupted db in there, all good now | 17:07 |
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| melmoth | bah, moi j ai eu mon dernier contact avec l ulp en 95. | 17:07 |
| melmoth | oups | 17:07 |
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| Khertan | lol melmoth | 17:27 |
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| melmoth | i m always confusing channel with irssi | 17:30 |
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| GnutoN810 | melmoth, use xchat | 17:45 |
| Navi_ | tch | 17:45 |
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| Navi_ | melmoth: stay with irssi, but look at the name of the buffer you're typing in :P | 17:46 |
| GnutoN810 | mmmm | 17:46 |
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| melmoth | i ll stay with irssi, the whole point of it is to be able to have my irc client in a screen session, on a machine always up. | 17:49 |
| melmoth | so i can connect to it from my laptop, or the tablet if'i m far away from my own desktop. | 17:49 |
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| zoran | melmoth, so you have to continue the same session | 17:50 |
| sp3000 | /load proxy ftw | 17:50 |
| melmoth | screen is easier, plus it works for other stuff than irc. | 17:51 |
| zoran | just "screen -r" | 17:51 |
| melmoth | it wors for...everything actually | 17:51 |
| melmoth | rx | 17:51 |
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| pupnik | woohoo goodbye for loop hello memcpy | 17:56 |
| derf | Doesn't gcc translate those automatically? | 17:56 |
| pupnik | oh :/ | 17:56 |
| pupnik | well I can profile it | 17:56 |
| derf | I usually just dump asm and inspect it. | 17:57 |
| derf | If you really want to know what your compiler is doing. | 17:57 |
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| derf | If you compile with -S -g, the output is quite readable, even if you don't have much asm experience. | 18:04 |
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| pupnik | does -S -g give me a .S file i can tweak and then compile? | 18:05 |
| derf | .s file, yes. | 18:05 |
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| derf | Well, it'll give you whatever you put after -o, but you should put something that ends in .s | 18:05 |
| Spakman_ | Alterego: are you able to send me either an svndump or even a tarball of the ruby-maemo C code, please? I'd love to start understanding it. | 18:06 |
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| Alterego | Spakman_, I would but my internet connection at home is screwy and I'm in a cafe on my tablet now :) | 18:10 |
| Alterego | I'll get you it this weekend. | 18:11 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: I wouldn't tweak .S file, it would become unmaintainable very soon, treat it as just an intermediate temporary file (which it actually is) | 18:11 |
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| ssvb | as for the loop, everything depends on its size | 18:12 |
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| Spakman_ | Alterego: OK, thanks a lot. Should I just pester you on IRC about it? | 18:13 |
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| pupnik | Most of the things I find are higher level. For e.g. i have a buffer copy consuming 4% of CPU, but in principle i am copying once when I don't need to. So instead of tweaking that i should eliminate it. | 18:16 |
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| Alterego | Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get maemo.rubyx.co.uk back up. | 18:17 |
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| pupnik | But to do that i will need to bypass an sdl call | 18:18 |
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| Spakman_ | Alterego: okay-dokey, good luck with it all. | 18:20 |
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| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/920766 ssvb derf in case you're curious, there's the opreport | 18:20 |
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| pupnik | first column is cpu, second cache misses | 18:21 |
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| ssvb | so looks like this RefreshLine_normal needs to be optimized | 18:23 |
| ssvb | probably making good use of cache prefetch instructions | 18:23 |
| pupnik | the cpu core is asm, so i think because it has no symbols it gets lumped in with no-vmlinux | 18:23 |
| pupnik | third line is the NES PPU (pixel processing unit) which is written in C | 18:23 |
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| pupnik | well i can't do that, that's the optimized gp2x version | 18:25 |
| pupnik | eventually i'll look into what mplayer is doing | 18:25 |
| pupnik | but if you ever find time to play with newvox, i could learn from that more easily | 18:25 |
| pupnik | same situation: 8-bit sdl | 18:26 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: 8-bit to 16-bit conversion can be optimized, at least on 770 it was important to write 32-bit values to the output buffer instead of a pair of 16-bit values | 18:27 |
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| jott | pupnik: you should consider installing sdl debug symbols / non stripped version :) | 18:31 |
| pupnik | ok | 18:31 |
| jott | it's much more verbose with it (to see the sdl bottlnecks.. for pingus e.g. it revealed it uses most of the time in converting/blitting 8bpp->16bpp ) | 18:33 |
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| pupnik | jott is there anything you want to share re: pingus? | 18:36 |
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| ssvb | jott: well, if improving this 8bpp->16bpp can help pingus, we can give it a try | 18:37 |
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| jott | hmm yeah.. i thought about natively using 12 or 16bpp.. but pingus relies on the 8bpp for alpha mask information so this approach is a bit more complicated.. :) | 18:39 |
| jott | but optimizing sdl core stuff would really be nice.. | 18:39 |
| jott | as all sdl applications would potentially benefit | 18:39 |
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| jott | (i think pinugs even went 8bpp->32bpp->16bpp afair ;-) | 18:40 |
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| pupnik | jott: did you try pingus on a 770? | 18:40 |
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| jott | no just on my n810.. | 18:41 |
| jott | it's quite playable with music disabled.. | 18:41 |
| ssvb | jott: optimizing sdl (replacing it on the device) can be PITA | 18:41 |
| jott | and vfp brought a huge boost.. | 18:41 |
| ssvb | jott: but it should be possible to have an optimized version that links statically with the projects that need it | 18:42 |
| jott | yeah or just offer it as a replacement.. | 18:42 |
| pupnik | i'm already using jott's hacked sdl for dosbox | 18:42 |
| pupnik | but only if device=n810 | 18:43 |
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| pupnik | ah removing throttle gives 96-105 fps. forgot that was in there :) | 18:44 |
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| jott | unfortunately those 8 bpp -> n bpp conversions can't be optimized *that* much.. | 18:44 |
| Spakman_ | bye folks | 18:44 |
| pupnik | cu Spakman_ | 18:44 |
| ssvb | pupnik, jott: if you remind me it when I get home, I can try to make assembly optimized 8bpp->16bpp conversion patch for SDL, it should be quite easy | 18:45 |
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| jott | yeah i suppose | 18:45 |
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| jott | basically just a table lookup :) | 18:45 |
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| ssvb | jott: by the way, is SDL compiled in thumb mode on the device? | 18:45 |
| jott | hmm good question.. mine is not :) | 18:46 |
| ssvb | jott: not quite that (I suspect SDL already does table lookup), but it needs to be unrolled so that there are no load latencies, also data should be combined and written into memory using STM instruction, experimenting with PLD (cache prefetch) may also help | 18:47 |
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| jott | how much improvement do you expect? (sdl currently uses just a simple while loop with fixed loopup table afair) | 18:49 |
| ssvb | overall, I suspect that the performance can be at least doubled over C version | 18:49 |
| jott | hmm this would be really nice | 18:49 |
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| jpt9 | hey | 18:51 |
| jpt9 | I found a quite nice bitmap font that I want to use on my n770 (hacker edition). | 18:52 |
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| jpt9 | i can get it in .fon (windows), .pcf.gz, .pcf.Z, and .bdf formats. | 18:52 |
| jpt9 | is there any way I can use it on my Nokia? | 18:52 |
| pupnik | hi jpt9 beats me | 18:53 |
| tripolo | hi | 18:54 |
| tripolo | exist kismet for nokia 770 hacker edition? | 18:54 |
| jott | ssvb: http://pastebin.ca/920801 something like this could really be optimized with arm asm.. | 18:55 |
| megabyte405 | tripolo: yes, the one binary that's out there should work on all itos verions | 18:55 |
| jott | but some have much more potential i think.. | 18:56 |
| tripolo | where is the repository? | 18:56 |
| tripolo | is the kismet of OS 2006? | 18:56 |
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| megabyte405 | jpt9: probably not. those are bitmap formats. everything nowadays uses truetype or opentype fonts (vector/scalable) | 18:58 |
| jpt9 | i just found a bdf2ttf utility... | 18:58 |
| jpt9 | except it needs some file that specifies conversion data.. | 18:58 |
| jpt9 | and all the documentation is in japanese. | 18:58 |
| ssvb | jott: most likely yes, though DISEMBLE_RGB and ASSEMBLE_RGBA macros are the most interesting here | 18:58 |
| jott | ssvb: sure but those are most likely slow when done seperately ;) | 18:59 |
| jott | yiek! | 19:00 |
| jott | http://pastebin.ca/920811 nuts :P | 19:00 |
| jott | this can be like 10 times as fast ;) | 19:00 |
| jott | (a switch per pixel?) | 19:01 |
| ssvb | jott: LOL | 19:01 |
| ssvb | switch should be moved outside of all loops | 19:01 |
| jott | so true | 19:01 |
| ssvb | is it SDL code? | 19:01 |
| pupnik | why would bpp change from pixel-to-pixel? | 19:01 |
| jott | ssvb: yeah.. SDL_blit.[c|h] | 19:02 |
| jott | pupnik: it makes the code maintainable but not fast ;) | 19:02 |
| ssvb | jott: is it really used? | 19:02 |
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| pupnik | SDL_BlitSurface(BlitBuf,&srect,screen,&drect) this is used a lot | 19:02 |
| ssvb | maybe that's just some reference implelemtation and some better code is used in real programs? | 19:02 |
| jott | well given that pingus spend ~30% in blitNtoN i would assume yes ;) | 19:03 |
| pupnik | while I'm dreaming... two pages @ 320x240 and a vsync timed pageflip would be nice | 19:05 |
| jott | it has to be verified (that exaclty this code is used) | 19:05 |
| jott | but it does not seem that unlikely.. | 19:05 |
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| BTobotras | Is 7mbit normal speed for n800's wifi? I'd expect more | 19:09 |
| ssvb | pupnik: if an upgraded SDL lib project takes off the ground, that's not so unrealistic :) | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, BTobotras. | 19:09 |
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| BTobotras | GeneralAntilles: ok | 19:09 |
| ssvb | BTobotras: it is normal with the current wlan driver, but the hardware is much more capable | 19:10 |
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| BTobotras | ssvb: I see | 19:10 |
| * BTobotras uses n800 as a SDHC flash reader, having lost his camera's cable :) | 19:11 | |
| ssvb | BTobotras: I got 1.3MB/s wifi download speed on 770 (with a patched driver and downloading file to /dev/null) | 19:11 |
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| ssvb | BTobotras: well, actually 7mbit is not so bad, how much is it in megabytes per second? are you benchmarking storing data to the flash card? | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~800KB/sec | 19:13 |
| Khertan | 0.25Mbits/s en ftp | 19:13 |
| kpanic | hi, anyone knows how to parse the result of adapter.getRemoteServiceRecord? I have to extract the obex channel thanks | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | 600-800KB/sec is what I get with SCP. | 19:14 |
| BTobotras | ssvb: no, reading from flash, xfering via wifi by scp and storing on the hosts' hdd | 19:14 |
| BTobotras | GeneralAntilles: exactly | 19:14 |
| kpanic | in python | 19:14 |
| ssvb | BTobotras: what cipher are you using for ssh? | 19:15 |
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| BTobotras | ssvb: aes128-cbc IIRC | 19:17 |
| ssvb | BTobotras: trying other ciphers such as blowfish can probably help to improve scp performance | 19:21 |
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| BTobotras | ssvb: yes, I got your point :) | 19:22 |
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| denis` | Is there a german maemo channel ? | 19:48 |
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| BTobotras | denis`: this one. Just keep speaking english :) | 19:51 |
| denis` | ah well ok :) | 19:51 |
| denis` | Just wanted to ask if there is a offline store that has the N810 in Germany | 19:52 |
| Navi | Any nokia stores in Germany? | 19:52 |
| Navi | They should carry some | 19:52 |
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| denis` | Hmm yeah thats what I thought as well | 19:54 |
| pH5 | I've seen the n810 in several big consumer electronic stores. | 19:54 |
| denis` | the Nokia store in Darmstadt had no device :/ | 19:54 |
| denis` | hmm in which ? | 19:54 |
| denis` | I was at Saturn, Media Markt | 19:54 |
| denis` | they told me that they won't get it | 19:55 |
| Navi | Did you ask them about it? | 19:55 |
| denis` | yeah | 19:55 |
| denis` | sure | 19:55 |
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| denis` | It's always the same when I try to get something offline :) | 19:56 |
| denis` | no one has it | 19:56 |
| pH5 | pH5: yes, those. strange, here in berlin some of them carry the n810 in their mobile phone/pda section. | 19:56 |
| pupnik | that's because you have refined tastes and the mass market does not | 19:56 |
| BTobotras | http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=3752591&culture=de-DE | 19:56 |
| denis` | Yeah ok BTobotras then I can buy it at Amazon as well :) | 19:57 |
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| pH5 | s/pH5/denis`/ | 19:57 |
| infobot | pH5 meant: denis`: yes, those. strange, here in berlin some of them carry the n810 in their mobile phone/pda section. | 19:57 |
| BTobotras | denis`: prolly :) | 19:57 |
| denis` | ;) | 19:57 |
| denis` | But ok it was the last time trying to get something offline :D | 19:57 |
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| Navi | pH5, getting a little crazy there, eh? | 20:00 |
| pH5 | pH5: who knows | 20:00 |
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| pH5 | solmumaha: is http://en.pastebin.ca/920903 all that is needed to get 800x480 ja2 straciatella? | 20:16 |
| melmoth | sarass, c est haut chez ben ! | 20:18 |
| solmumaha | pH5: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=943&stc=1&d=1202603645 | 20:21 |
| solmumaha | i've already done that, latest and demo are 800x480 except for the menus | 20:23 |
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| pH5 | solmumaha: thanks, I know. I'm just trying to reproduce. did you modify anything else? | 20:27 |
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| solmumaha | well Tron added support for right click with the menu button (WITH_MAEMO) so i only changed the i.m.p code to blank | 20:29 |
| solmumaha | he also gave me a patch to create a demo, must be in svn now too | 20:29 |
| pH5 | great, which key is mapped to the alt key? | 20:30 |
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| denis` | What is the best way to start developing sth for Maemo with Python and for the gui evas (edje theming) ? | 20:32 |
| solmumaha | pH5: are you going to hack on it? | 20:32 |
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| solmumaha | you could bind the fullscreen and +- to some actions like next/previous villain and maybe pause | 20:33 |
| solmumaha | other keys are used by the game already with 770 and n800 | 20:34 |
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| pH5 | solmumaha: next villain is already the enter key. we could misuse fullscreen for the map screen on n770/n800. | 20:41 |
| pH5 | I wonder if it'd be feasible to have the fullscreen key switch the game between fullscreen and windowed mode :) | 20:42 |
| lcuk | wow ph5, thats remarkable, how did you come up with that idea? ;) | 20:42 |
| pH5 | (to look at the time for example, ja2 is a time killer) | 20:42 |
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| pH5 | lcuk: :) | 20:43 |
| solmumaha | you could try to prevent the home key from working ;) | 20:43 |
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| pH5 | yes, or make the app appear in the task list. | 20:44 |
| lcuk | if you are gonna go that far, could someone remap the power button ;) | 20:44 |
| solmumaha | that would be better, would make the fullscreen toggle kinda useless then | 20:45 |
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| Navi | Ew, rsync segfaults. | 21:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You gave up your right to complain. :P | 21:06 |
| Navi | Not yet! | 21:06 |
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| pH5 | solmumaha: the StartupWMClass/SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS trick from http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/ works for ja2, too. | 21:20 |
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| inteliwasp | is there an irc client for os'08? | 21:21 |
| _berto_ | inteliwasp: I think that there's xchat | 21:22 |
| pH5 | inteliwasp: telepathy-idle, xchat, pidgin, irssi | 21:22 |
| inteliwasp | are they in the maemo repos? | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | xchat is still beta | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 21:23 |
| inteliwasp | mmmm beta... | 21:23 |
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| Navi | Beta still works | 21:25 |
| inteliwasp | oh yea, how can i make the web browser use the d | 21:25 |
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| inteliwasp | oops i ment d pad scroll instead of links? | 21:26 |
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| Navi | there's a thread about it on ITT | 21:26 |
| inteliwasp | did they solve it?(i mean shuld i look it up?) | 21:29 |
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| solmumaha | pH5: thanks, didn't know about that | 21:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | inteliwasp, timeless put together a deb to do it for you. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be linked on the WONTFIX dpad bug on bugzilla. | 21:34 |
| inteliwasp | cool | 21:34 |
| * inteliwasp loves his new n800 :) | 21:35 | |
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| inteliwasp | now all i need is to find netstumbler ans load all my 'nix programs | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, repository.* down? | 21:41 |
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| rghosh | Why does the battery last longer on the n810 if it ships with a 1500 mAh battery as the n800 does, especially when the processor runs faster? I have read that the battery is 'smarter'.. is that the only reason? | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the same processor. | 22:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've never actually seen anybody do a real side-by-side to confirm that claim. | 22:40 |
| rghosh | same processor, but in n800 by default it's stepped down | 22:40 |
| rghosh | so it runs faster in the n810 | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wrong. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the same processor, running at the same speed. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | (well, they both step between 165 and 400MHz) | 22:41 |
| rghosh | My understanding is different | 22:41 |
| rghosh | out of the box, with os2007 | 22:41 |
| rghosh | the 800 runs at a reduced speed | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apples to Oranges | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 on both devices, both devices run the same speed | 22:42 |
| rghosh | out of the box compared to out of the box | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 with OS2007 would run at 330MHz | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Out of the box to out of the box is apples to oranges. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 steps | 22:42 |
| rghosh | from a product perpspetive, no | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2007 doesn't | 22:42 |
| rghosh | out of the box is the only fair comparison | 22:42 |
| rghosh | but anywa | 22:42 |
| rghosh | i don't want to debate that | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, no it's not. | 22:42 |
| rghosh | yes but anyway | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | out-of-the-box is a stupid comparison | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | especially for these devices. | 22:43 |
| rghosh | no | 22:43 |
| rghosh | but anyway | 22:43 |
| jott | the firmware evolved... | 22:43 |
| rghosh | assuming they're running the same os | 22:43 |
| jott | the same devices now ships with different firmware | 22:43 |
| rghosh | at the same cpu speed | 22:43 |
| jott | so you could compare the *same* device and came do different conclusions | 22:43 |
| LoCusF | goddamn internal memory card corruption :< | 22:43 |
| rghosh | if they have the same capacity of battery (1500 mAh) | 22:43 |
| LoCusF | does formatting the internal card to ext2 solve anything? | 22:44 |
| rghosh | is the only advantage that the n810 has under those circumstances that the battery is 'smarter' | 22:44 |
| rghosh | or does the firmware difference you speak of also relate to the difference? | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The battery difference is purely a matter of size, as far as I'm aware. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 steps the CPU between 165MHz and 400MHz | 22:44 |
| jott | well os2008 has a better powermanagement | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2007 is locked to 330MHz | 22:44 |
| jott | e.g. speed stepping as GeneralAntilles points out | 22:45 |
| jott | probably alot more optimization | 22:45 |
| rghosh | yeah as i'm aware of, that's not my question | 22:45 |
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| Navi | QWhere can I get easyroot? | 22:45 |
| jott | nitapps.com | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The battery is neither smart nor stupid, it's a battery. | 22:46 |
| Navi | thank you | 22:46 |
| Navi | stupid battery | 22:46 |
| rghosh | i put it in quotes for a reason | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The change was a form-factor-only change. | 22:46 |
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| rghosh | non-sequitur | 22:47 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: not entirely true | 22:47 |
| jott | but to large parts it was.. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | re the batteries, jott. | 22:47 |
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| * jott still does not get rghoshs point | 22:48 | |
| rghosh | Help is at hand in breaking the code of silence. An increasing number of today's rechargeable batteries are made 'smart'. Equipped with a microchip, these batteries are able to communicate with the charger and user alike. Typical applications for 'smart' batteries are notebook computers and video cameras. Increasingly, these batteries are also used in biomedical devices and defense applications. http://batteryun | 22:49 |
| rghosh | so please dispense with the needless argument | 22:49 |
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| smackpotat1 | find doesnt work with for me ,with -size any sugestions | 22:49 |
| rghosh | i'm not looking for a pointless debate | 22:49 |
| smackpotat1 | in a pointless debate i pic the stylus | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | rghosh, I'm really not sure WHAT you're looking for. | 22:50 |
| rghosh | yeah apparently you aren't | 22:50 |
| jott | in a pointERless debate i would use a finger :p | 22:50 |
| Navi | void *jottptr = NULL; | 22:52 |
| jott | hey this IS a pointer :p | 22:52 |
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| smackpotat1 | dont go wagging it at me the stylus is the onl way to,go | 22:53 |
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| rm_you | rghosh: if you're trying to determine whether the n810's battery is "smart equipped" in that sense... I'm not positive, but i doubt it.... I would *hope* that nokia would make a big deal out of it (or at least mention it somewhere) if it was. | 22:54 |
| rghosh | http://www.smape.com/en/reviews/nokia/Nokia_N810-review.html is part of what provoked the question | 22:54 |
| rghosh | but it didn't have much detail | 22:55 |
| Navi | I'm out | 22:55 |
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| XATRIX | is it possible to install OS2008 on 770 ? | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008HE, yes | 23:29 |
| solmumaha | is there a fix for the sound problem yet? | 23:30 |
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| XATRIX | GeneralAntilles> and as i understand, i can install XFCE on OS2008 ? | 23:32 |
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| XATRIX | can't i ? | 23:32 |
| Tama^2 | Hello | 23:32 |
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