IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-01-20

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pupnik	just played some quake2 on n810. Amazingly fast. Great job pipeline and zerionseven	00:07
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, it's fairly badass.	00:07
pupnik	excellent implementation of the stylus look also	00:08
pupnik	compared to early versions	00:08
GeneralAntilles	Definitely. Perfect example of how it should be done.	00:08
pupnik	all the button controls are pretty sad though	00:09
pupnik	the mapping is fine, but the hardware...	00:09
GeneralAntilles	Better on N800	00:10
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pupnik	the more i consider this stuff the more i think that a gaming device simply has to be a seperate device from an IT device	00:14
lcuk_2	i want to make a cradle with outside edge buttons and 810 sat in the middle	00:14
pupnik	yeah i had that idea too! :)	00:15
pupnik	you can get a bluetooth game controller and dismantle it and build your own enclosure	00:15
lcuk_2	where did you get q2 from - the only one i found was quake1	00:15
lcuk_2	i would fit it using usb. make it plug through usb and power so you can keep it on and charge both at same time	00:16
lcuk_2	no need for wireless when theres a plug in the right place. the power drain of a tiny device could easily be kept under the 100ma	00:17
pupnik	http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/quetoo-repack/quetoo-r2r-0.5.0-6zs.chinook.deb Quake 2 OS2008 ready-to-run - takes up a bunch of space (i had about 60 MB free)	00:17
Xamusk	it would be cool if the n8x0 had some sort of serial port	00:18
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Xamusk	so it would be easier to make custom hardware for them	00:18
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lcuk_2	yer, some kind of universal serial port	00:19
lcuk_2	or is it a bus?	00:19
pupnik	or a bus :)	00:19
lcuk_2	;)	00:19
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pupnik	well you can buy the bluetooth gamepad for PDAs for about 20 euro here	00:20
lcuk_2	yer - you can also buy bluetooth Wii Motes as well...	00:20
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czr	lcuk_2, furry case..	00:22
lcuk_2	arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh	00:22
lcuk_2	no	00:22
czr	I know. you had already forgotten about it.	00:22
lcuk_2	yer, and you know what else i had forgotten about	00:23
czr	I know, but I'm saving those for later use.	00:23
lcuk_2	im gonna get in trouble with my missus. i told her tonight was her night. im gonna go and i want none of you giving me stupid shed engineer ideas for at least 12 hours ;)	00:23
lcuk_2	i only came upstairs to grab a lighter	00:23
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czr	heh. ok ok :-)	00:23
czr	have fun :-)	00:23
lcuk_2	back later	00:23
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GeneralAntilles	It has a serial port.	00:29
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ywwg	so I know how to open a web page with "rpc_handler.rpc_run_with_defaults('osso_browser', 'open_new_window', (uri,))", but what's the equivalent for the media player? I'm not sure what function to call	00:38
LoCusF	is there a git version control system available on maemo?	00:38
sp3000	ywwg: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:file:///home/user/MyDocs/...	00:39
sp3000	that probably contains enough hints?	00:39
ywwg	sp3000: hm probably. I think I tried mime_open but I'll try it again	00:40
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pupnik	aw ya. vfat also don't like >4GB files	01:01
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spirytusick	pupnik: yep.. and 640kb should have been enoguh for anybody :) heh	01:06
pupnik	now trying extraction to ext2	01:08
spirytusick	pupnik: should work	01:10
spirytusick	pupnik: depending on the block size the smallest limitation is aroud 16 GB	01:11
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tank-man	do a lot of you guys boot from sd instead of internal flash?	01:14
GeneralAntilles	No	01:14
spirytusick	i do boot from sd only	01:14
GeneralAntilles	Better to have it as a fall-back.	01:14
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spirytusick	time to go ....	01:24
spirytusick	see ya later guyz	01:24
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bkruse_home	whats up guys	01:34
pupnik	dunno	01:34
pupnik	so am i a fool for trying vmplayer with this"?	01:34
jeff1f	Well, I got the os2008 development environment up	01:35
jeff1f	And have no idea what to do now	01:35
GeneralAntilles	Develop!	01:36
pupnik	jeff1f: apt-get source <package>	01:37
pupnik	cd <package> && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot	01:37
jeff1f	I have no idea how to program anything :)	01:37
pupnik	oh -b	01:37
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melmoth	jeff1f: http://docs.python.org/tut/ :-)	01:39
scibot	Has anyone worked out how to get pygame working at 400x240 yet?	01:39
jeff1f	Thanks!	01:40
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pupnik	man, switching to a new dev environment is soo uncumfortable	01:51
disq	tell me about it <- just got a macbook	01:52
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pupnik	thanks to the idnt guys for making the vmware image. saves a lot of putzing	02:43
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Tama^2	does anyone know what the new rtcomm update is about?	02:47
Tama^2	for OS2008 of course	02:48
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pupnik	no idea	02:51
pupnik	hrm what's root pw on the chinook vmware	02:51
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Tama^2	no idea xD	02:52
mardi__	tried rootme ?	02:52
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b0unc3	pupnik: maemo iirc	02:55
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pupnik	maemo, rootme are no-go	02:57
Tama^2	wow	02:57
Tama^2	rtcomm update fucked my n800 up	02:58
Tama^2	reboot loop	02:58
Tama^2	thanks very much >.<	02:58
Tama^2	who the fuck releases stuff like thaaaaaaaaat	02:58
pupnik	thanks for the warning	02:59
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solmumaha	worked fine here but hence the beta i guess	03:00
Tama^2	I am talking about the one that came out last night	03:00
Tama^2	it was pushed out as an update of the first beta (i.e. the app manager offers to install it for you)	03:01
Tama^2	ho well	03:01
Tama^2	*oh	03:01
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s1d	damn, i almost installed that a few mins ago	03:11
ywwg	in hildon banner, when it talks about "the name of the icon" is that a gtk icon-theme icon name?	03:14
pupnik	is it possible we someday can get a hack to have mplayer play .flv in browser?	03:14
pupnik	these sites always like to hide the actual stream from me with their javascript evil	03:15
pupnik	http://www.bmovies.com/ has some fun stuff	03:17
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bkruse_home	would porting an app I wrote for openmoko to maemo be very hard? (gtk voip app)	03:40
Robot101	there is a gtk voip app on maemo, it's the built-in one :)	03:42
Robot101	what does your openmoko voip app do?	03:43
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pupnik	http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html bkruse_home	03:43
bkruse_home	Robot101: iax	03:44
bkruse_home	pupnik: perfect, bookmarked, ty	03:44
bkruse_home	Robot101: heard of iax? asterisk? :]	03:44
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pupnik	there's also a porting howto that focuses on the changes needed to go from gtk->hildon	03:45
Robot101	bkruse_home: sure. would you be interested in hacking on a telepathy backend for iax? that'd get IAX support on maemo built-in to their UI, and then a telepathy UI on moko could do IAX, SIP, XMPP Jingle, or even GSM	03:45
pupnik	also 'bora' is the codename for OS2007 and 'chinook' is the codename for OS2008	03:45
Robot101	bkruse_home: telepathy.freedesktop.org	03:45
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bkruse_home	Robot101: Yes, I actually work for digium, which is the company backening asterisk, but I am doing this on my free time	03:51
bkruse_home	Robot101: I would be very interested.	03:51
Robot101	bkruse_home: ahh, cool	03:52
bkruse_home	my neo is arriving in the next couple of days from sean from FIC and I will start hacking on the OM one, which I will then port to other things	03:52
bkruse_home	My idea for the moko platform is to integrate as a third part app, like all others, then integrate just solely into the dialer, so that you can chose "gsm gateway" or "iax client"	03:53
bkruse_home	does that make sense? integration into the dialer, instead of using your gsm gateway/provider (tmobile for example) you could use....voicepulse or something similar	03:53
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AlphaLux	has anyone ported a crond for OS2008? I have searched everywhere and only found old, old, links for earlier OS versions	03:58
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pupnik	dunno what's used	04:01
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bkruse_home	does maemo have a mailing list?	04:31
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pupnik	yes maemo-users and maemo-developers	04:42
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Esotic	it's quiet tonite :)	05:19
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s1d	everyones at bars spilling booze on their internet tablets	05:25
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minra	woohoo, drag and drop didn't work into vmplayer, but copy + paste file did	05:49
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Esotic	so is anyone sharing the videos they convert into N800 friendly formats? I just starting using "Media Converter" and am pretty happy with it	06:42
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legind	Esotic, is media converter something that happens on the n800 side? and where can I get it	06:49
legind	and how is it different than, say, ffmepg	06:50
legind	ffmpeg	06:50
minra	no on pc side	06:53
minra	scratchbox ought to get a ping cmd	06:54
Esotic	sorry, i was putzing around with lxdoom :)	06:55
Esotic	you can download it from maemo.org	06:55
Esotic	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/	06:55
legind	thanks Esotic	06:56
Esotic	i was trying to render N800 friendly files from Vegas (my video editing software), but they never work in the default media player	06:57
minra	suggest you use mplayer on the tablet instead	06:58
Esotic	mplayer is ok, but the new version has been lagging on the MP4 files	06:59
Esotic	under OS2008	06:59
minra	sync problems?	06:59
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minra	a/v?	06:59
Esotic	i guess you could call it "sputtering"	07:00
minra	do you encode to 400x240 or lower?	07:02
Esotic	i tried a couple resolutions and bit-rates... 400x240, 320x160, etc	07:02
Esotic	using a 44.1 audio sampling frequency	07:03
minra	mp3 audio?	07:03
Esotic	could have been mp4.... the dialog in vegas just lets you pick the sampling frequency and bit-rate (128)	07:04
Esotic	Media Converter is working like a charm, though	07:05
Esotic	if i want to watch my own movies (that I filmed) then I have to transcode them... it would be nice if I could just render then from my editing solution, but whatever, at least it works	07:06
minra	yeah, the most convenient would be a streaming media player (on the tablet) that would let you browse, play and transcode for download your files conveniently	07:08
minra	anyway - glad it's working	07:09
minra	ttyl	07:09
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K-Fox	n810 is uncomfortable to be portable on my pocket ?	07:18
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trevarthan	I'm trying to install gtk-doc-tools and wpeditor-dev in the vmware chinook scratchbox. But apt-get can't find them. Where are they??	07:20
K-Fox	trevarthan : n800 is uncomfortable to be portable into my pocket?	07:21
legind	K-Fox, ?	07:22
proteous	lol	07:22
proteous	you pocket size to be accommidating for maybe n800 of size?	07:23
trevarthan	oh, weird, I needed to add the chinook target to /etc/apt/sources.lst. strange.	07:24
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Esotic	my n800 fits my levis pocket ok	07:25
K-Fox	ok	07:25
Esotic	not sure if the n810 is larger or not	07:25
K-Fox	it's good	07:26
proteous	the n810 is smaller	07:26
Esotic	i would like an n800 case I could put a couple cards into (license, credit, etc)	07:26
proteous	smaller then the 770 even	07:26
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trevarthan	It's winter, so I always travel with a coat. I put my n800 in the coat chest pocket.	07:27
K-Fox	n810 is too expensive than n810	07:27
K-Fox	n800	07:27
K-Fox	but n800 is large than n810	07:28
trevarthan	Where the heck can I find libwpeditor-plus-dev?	07:32
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Esotic	i like web surfing on the n800, but I'm still getting used to the text entry	07:43
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zoran	Esotic, links	07:50
Esotic	links for what?	07:50
zoran	the name of browser, dude	07:51
Esotic	the browser that comes with OS2008?	07:52
zoran	hm, dunno	07:52
zoran	links is text mode browser for unix	07:52
zoran	more modern than lynx	07:52
zoran	some folks like elinks	07:52
Esotic	i think os2008 comes with a mozilla variant	07:53
zoran	ah, you asked for no graphical browser	07:53
zoran	i like web surfing on the n800, but I'm still getting used to	07:53
zoran	the text entry	07:54
Esotic	typing stuff into search engines and such	07:54
zoran	ah...	07:54
Esotic	sorry for the confusion	07:54
zoran	maybe gg or similar in front of search word...	07:54
zoran	gg was for opera, I think	07:55
Esotic	maybe one day i'll make a new on screen keyboard :)	07:55
zoran	there must be some manual	07:55
zoran	lost your stylus?	07:55
Esotic	no, i still have the 2 of them... just trying other methods	07:55
zoran	n800?	07:56
Esotic	yup	07:56
zoran	I saw bigger eee, with almost normal kb	07:56
Esotic	i got the n800 cuz i'm a web developer and build pages to control stuff across my LAN	07:57
zoran	yeah, n800 is the device for you	07:57
zoran	rsync could help	07:57
Esotic	it's a nice piece of kit	07:58
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zoran	Esotic, ruby?	07:59
Esotic	ruby what?	07:59
Esotic	the language?	07:59
zoran	language for web, yeah	07:59
zoran	I saw port for maemo	08:00
Esotic	i haven't looked at it yet... i've been working with PHP, Javascript, VB.Net and such	08:00
zoran	php is already in repos	08:00
Esotic	and of course IIS, Apache, MySql, etc	08:00
zoran	ajax is must-hae	08:00
zoran	iis is ms technology?	08:01
zoran	as vb.net?	08:01
Esotic	IIS is the web server, you can put any kind of server side script behind it	08:01
Esotic	i saw something recently where people were using .Net on apache	08:02
Esotic	sounds like craziness to me, but whatever floats your boat	08:02
zoran	in repos I saw 2 differnt servers for maemo, very small	08:02
zoran	hm, .net is not in my agenda	08:02
Esotic	i only use it for work	08:03
zoran	mysql has client in repos	08:03
Esotic	i mean, the work that pays the bills :)	08:03
zoran	he-he	08:03
Esotic	outside of work it's all PHP and javascript so far	08:03
zoran	if customer likes...	08:03
zoran	js was my no-no for years, but ajax changed it	08:03
zoran	I cannot get why sites ask for js if no ajax on it	08:04
Esotic	you can do stuff in javascript that isn't necessarily asynxchronous web transfers	08:05
zoran	hm, known for ie bugs et al.	08:05
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Esotic	web apps are still pretty new... give it a year of two and hopefully things will standardize	08:06
zoran	I just dislike if the index page is only flash	08:06
Esotic	Firefox 3 and IE 8 :)	08:06
zoran	for instance, I want to buy something and go to their site	08:07
zoran	I they ask to install flash player...	08:07
Esotic	i have the macromedia studio and use dreamweaver, but flash is too complicated for me to dedicate my time to learn	08:07
zoran	never bought something on that kind of seller	08:07
Esotic	it has some cool features and i'm ok with other sites use it	08:08
zoran	ah, it is ok if suits you	08:08
zoran	not an aficionados	08:08
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Esotic	i'm not so much of a graphic designer. i think those folks are more into flash	08:09
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zoran	they think all people use exactly the same software as they do	08:09
Esotic	no, they are just morally superior enough not to care :)	08:10
zoran	w3c starndard should be the way to follow	08:10
hahlo	what about ie only pages, are they activex always?	08:10
zoran	ah, yes	08:10
zoran	and I don't read their sites	08:10
Esotic	IE bugs me that's it's not compliant, but Firefox bugs me cuz the javascript engine is slow	08:10
zoran	hahlo, personaly I just don't care for it	08:11
hahlo	but does mozilla show all other kinds than activex web pages?	08:11
zoran	and default should be no-cookies, no-js...	08:11
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zoran	active x was file tech	08:12
zoran	but proprietary, closed and bugged	08:12
zoran	so, dead	08:12
Esotic	ok, thanks for the chatting... i gotta get to bed now for my big day tomorrow... Cheers Everyone! :)	08:12
zoran	:)	08:12
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K-Fox	mozilla is faster than opera?	09:29
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Blafasel	Still lost here: Trying to install pidgin, but it fails the libopencdk8 dependency, which is supposed to come from the maemo-haeckers repository acc. to the gronmayer search site. Am I doing something wrong?	12:00
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GeneralAntilles	Quite probably	12:01
GeneralAntilles	It should install right off	12:01
GeneralAntilles	You're using the one for chinook, right?	12:01
Blafasel	I removed all repositories that I could, visited the site from the topic and added the 2008/chinook ones again, yes	12:02
GeneralAntilles	If it's having a dependency, search gronmayer and add the repo that has it.	12:02
Blafasel	I did that, no luck	12:03
GeneralAntilles	Did you refresh?	12:03
Blafasel	Yep	12:03
GeneralAntilles	Run apt-get install pidgin and dump the logs on pastebin.	12:04
Blafasel	Uhm.. Okay. Let me check how I can do that (don't have ssh on the device, so I have to do it over there)	12:04
newca12	[Announce] Streamtuner one click install now available for OS2006 and OS 2007 on maemo downloads. Enjoy ans stay tuned :-)	12:05
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Blafasel	Are those temp fixes for repositories still necessary?	12:38
GeneralAntilles	No.	12:43
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Veggen	people. Is there any way to turn off power management features for the wlan interface of n810?	12:54
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Veggen	I don't think it works so well towards my home wlan. But if I use it at home, power usage isn't that important, because a charger is always within reach.	12:55
Veggen	I know about wireless-tools and iwconfig wlan0 power off	12:56
Veggen	but the n810 keeps turning powersaving on again after a while.	12:56
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melmoth	I have seen such a setting in the configuration panel	13:02
melmoth	there is a place that list all your connexion, you can edit preference for them.	13:02
melmoth	there is an "advanced" sort of option that let you tells how you want the powersaving feature to be used.	13:02
melmoth	connexion pannel/connectivity/connexions/select one connexion/next next next untill you got the "advanced option" choice.	13:04
melmoth	The labelling may differ a bit on your as mine use french locales :)	13:04
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melmoth	since os2008, i feel my n800 tablet consume a lot more of power. I used to have to recharge it every 4 or 5 days. Now it s every 2 days.	13:11
Veggen	ah :) that was even better than I hoped. So I can set it only on my home network.	13:11
melmoth	and i cannot browser 3 hours as i used to do.	13:12
Veggen	melmouth: I agree, I have the same feeling.	13:12
melmoth	i wonder if it s all due to the overclocking.	13:12
GeneralAntilles	RSS?	13:12
GeneralAntilles	metalayer-crawler?	13:12
GeneralAntilles	No, it's not the overclocking	13:12
melmoth	no, nothing that use the network regularly	13:12
GeneralAntilles	You've obviously got something eating CPU	13:12
GeneralAntilles	"overclocking"	13:12
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melmoth	the application usage did not change from when i was on os2007, so i dont know wich one may be the culprit.	13:14
melmoth	plus i do not see cpu load being high.	13:15
K-Fox	is it possbile to use os2007 application on os2008	13:18
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ccooke	K-Fox: I understand that too much has changed for that to work	13:19
K-Fox	ok	13:20
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melmoth	all depends the application i think.	13:21
melmoth	If it s python based, it should work the same way.	13:21
GeneralAntilles	Depends on the app	13:23
GeneralAntilles	GUI stuff is a no-go because of the GTK break	13:24
GeneralAntilles	but console stuff is pretty much 100%	13:24
ccooke	GeneralAntilles: I thought there were a few library upgrades? I doubt all console stuff would work.	13:24
GeneralAntilles	Like I said, almost 100% of the console stuff works fine.	13:25
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ccooke	Hmm. Canola(2) doesn't do video podcasts, does it?	13:40
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Cptnodegard	how do you get canola to display album art? -.-	14:05
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kala	anybody knows why the text size is very small and doesn't increase with zoom when I try to write e-mail on outlook web access?	14:37
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alterego	Eh?	14:38
alterego	What's outlook web access?	14:38
glass	ms's webmail thing	14:38
johnx	I assume it's some part of exchange?	14:38
alterego	eshudders	14:39
kala	ugh :)	14:39
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kala	and anotherthing ... anybody used the tablet to connect wirelessly to the projector?	14:42
kala	I know, you don't have powerpoint on it, but anyway ... it would be cool :)	14:42
johnx	No, but what kind of projector?	14:42
kala	I have been told that there are projectors, which can display a picture ower wifi	14:43
kala	http://www.nextag.co.uk/Panasonic-PT-LB51NTEA-Wireless-559431031/uk/prices-html	14:43
GEORGE_BG	hello	14:44
johnx	hi	14:44
johnx	kala, it would depend on how they implemented it on the projector, but it might work	14:44
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Henry78	hi!	14:45
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GEORGE_BG	is somewhere instruction how to support usb mouse ot n800	14:45
alterego	Not that I'm seen.	14:46
alterego	Seems a bit silly ..	14:46
alterego	Unless you're using that KDE setup ..	14:46
alterego	The tablets are meant to be touched!!!	14:46
alterego	Touch them ..	14:46
johnx	GEORGE_BG, I don't think it works now	14:48
johnx	but it seems like some guys at internettablettalk.com/forums are trying to get it working	14:48
johnx	might want to search there	14:48
johnx	some of the stuff is on bluetooth mice but it should be somewhat similar	14:48
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GEORGE_BG	ok i will see	14:49
GEORGE_BG	thanks	14:49
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rustbucket	hi, i'm trying to install some of the gtk dev packages onto an N810 so i can write a couple of desktop applets on my way to work in the morning. i have gcc running fine but can't seem to find gtk dev debs that match the version that ships with the tablet. is this something that anyone here has done successfully and could offer advice on?	14:52
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rustbucket	(the ones on repository.maemo.org have an osso4 in the version string; the binaries on the device appear to be osso5)	14:53
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johnx	interesting	14:56
johnx	I see osso32 on my tablet and osso24 in the repo	14:56
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rustbucket	i might be remembering incorrectly - tried to install last night	14:57
rustbucket	will check what version i have	14:57
johnx	still, I know I ran into version mismatches before and eventually tracked it down	14:57
inz	johnx, there's 32.1 source in os2008	14:57
johnx	ah	14:57
johnx	ok, that's probably what it wa	14:57
johnx	s	14:57
inz	johnx, you'll need to build it, but I guess they compile quite nicely	14:58
rustbucket	i was remembering incorrectly: it was libpng12-dev that i could only find osso4 for, a precursor for cairo befor i could install gtk	14:59
johnx	if you want to match the tablet exactly you might have to do some manual building	14:59
johnx	if not just go with what's in the repositories	15:00
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Henry78	is anybody able to explain why i get strange dependency problems if i try to update some packages via the application manager? apg-get install is able to install there packages. should i use apt-get on the n800 or is it a bad idea?	15:01
rustbucket	thanks: i'm not to concerned about matching the repository if it's only headers. i just started to run into so many dependency problems i figured that i must be looking in the wrong place for the armel debs.	15:02
johnx	yeah, those .debs were probably never intended to be installed on the tablet	15:02
rustbucket	fair enough. i just figured they would be in sync with the release :-)	15:03
melmoth	Henry78: i use apt-get to install software without problem, you can give it a try.	15:03
Henry78	thanks.	15:03
rustbucket	cheers	15:03
Henry78	but apt-get wants to remove osso-software-version, which ha a lot of reverse-dependencies...?	15:04
melmoth	hmmm.	15:04
johnx	Don't do that then. :)	15:04
Henry78	didn't do it.	15:04
melmoth	what are you trying to install ? from wich repo ?	15:04
Henry78	tryint to install libvte-common, i thinks that's from the chinook repo	15:05
Henry78	my n800 is quite new, so i'm still figuring out how the things work.	15:06
melmoth	no idea :-( sounds like a dependency is badly set in the package.	15:06
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Henry78	it's in the "operation system" virtual package. thought it's important	15:08
johnx	Henry78, libvte-common should already be installed on the tablet I think	15:09
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johnx	ah, was this while updating?	15:09
Henry78	updating?	15:10
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johnx	I mean: "Did you run into the problem with libvte-common while trying to upgrade other software?"	15:11
Henry78	no, just the "operating system" package needs it.	15:11
Zetx	I'm slightly confused... do the n8x0's have some sort of OpenGL support?	15:12
GeneralAntilles	No.	15:12
Henry78	so maybe it just gets pulled in from the chinook-repo, and i don't need it really. hmm... that's fine.	15:12
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johnx	libvte-common should be installed on your device already. It should be included with the firmware. Precisely, what were you trying to do with apt-get when it tried to install libvte-common and couldn't?	15:14
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Henry78	i tried to install libvte-common via apt-get 'cause it didn't work via application manager, i wanted to get more information why. apt told me libvte-common provides libvte-common- 1:0.12.2-0mh4 and on the same time it depends on that version. application manger shows that (the same version it is providing) as a missing dependency.	15:18
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johnx	ah. Ok, it sounds like somehow libvte-common managed to get itself uninstalled.	15:19
johnx	since it should have come with your tablet	15:19
johnx	I don't know if it's in any repository or not	15:19
alterego	Did he remove xterm?	15:20
johnx	let me check and see if I can find it somewhere	15:20
Henry78	no, it's installed. the mh4 version is installed.	15:20
Henry78	i think it's just not possible (atm) to install the version from the chinook-repo because of wrong(?) dependencies.	15:21
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johnx	the extras repository? or the maemo-hackers repository?	15:22
johnx	lots of repos with chinook in the name. :)	15:22
Henry78	hackers.	15:22
johnx	yes, I would agree. Somehow their dependencies are screwed up.	15:22
johnx	sorry it took so long for me to understand.	15:23
Henry78	yeh, i'm quite confused with all the repos.	15:23
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Henry78	maybe i wasn't articulating exact.	15:23
Henry78	thanks for discussing that with me.	15:24
johnx	sure. No problem	15:24
johnx	:)	15:24
Henry78	so have nice day, my girlfriend is eagerly awaiting me.	15:24
johnx	ah	15:25
johnx	you too	15:25
Henry78	bye	15:25
johnx	have fun	15:25
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johnx	hahaha...useless annoying hack #2342: use xclip in conjuntion with flite to have the IT read aloud whatever you hilight. It's as bad as it sounds. :)	15:55
GeneralAntilles	Somebody remind my retarded ass where the .desktops are stored?	16:00
johnx	/usr/share/applications/hildon/	16:00
GeneralAntilles	Thanks	16:00
johnx	sure	16:00
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minra_	why does sudo (pw maemo) work in scratchbox but 'su' doesn't?	16:17
minra_	do i need to add 'maemo' to /etc/sudoers?	16:18
johnx	maybe no root password is set?	16:18
johnx	why not just sudo su -	16:18
johnx	?	16:18
minra_	pass seems to be maemo	16:18
johnx	that's the user password	16:18
minra_	that works thanks	16:18
johnx	not the root password	16:18
minra_	got me root here	16:18
melmoth	minra_ i use fakeroot in scratchbox	16:21
minra_	adding my real (router) dns server to scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf solved the apt-get problems	16:21
minra_	sorry i was misleading	16:21
minra_	i meant in the maemo vmware host system	16:21
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Haelios77	greetings everyone	16:22
Haelios77	anyone there?	16:23
minra_	1	16:23
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johnx	wow...nothing like giving people a second to respond...	16:26
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minra_	how do you transfer files from host system to vmware system johnx? my copy and paste (drag and drop) sometimes works, sometimes not (straange)	16:29
minra_	i drag and i can see the 'copying file to virtual machine' but the file never appears	16:29
johnx	I assume your host is Windows and the system in vmware is Debian/Ubuntu?	16:30
minra_	vmware is the idnt scratchbox chinook/bora kit, host is debian sid (fluxbox)	16:30
minra_	and source for the file copy is konqueror	16:30
minra_	maybe it's having trouble following the symlink	16:30
johnx	you could just use scp from inside scratchbox	16:31
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Andy80	hi all	16:31
johnx	hi	16:31
minra_	yeah will scp	16:31
johnx	or you could copy from the Linux host side of things to /scratchbox/users/you/home/you or something like that	16:33
minra_	the confusing thing is that it sometimes works, sometimes not	16:33
Andy80	I've a strange problem with MaemoMapper. Even if I enable auto-download (so it should download maps at every zoom level) the image is never defined. I mean... when you have a bitmap and you try to zoom... you begin to see the pixel... right? Well... all the images downloaded from maemo mapper are not correctly zoomed... is this a know iussue with MaemoMapper 2.3 in N810?	16:33
minra_	but screw drag-n-drop. that's a windows/mac tradition	16:34
minra_	duno	16:34
minra_	Andy80: is maemomapper better than the default gps mapper?	16:34
GeneralAntilles	Yes	16:35
GeneralAntilles	Andy80, do you have pixel doubling turned on?	16:35
Andy80	GeneralAntilles: where can I check this?	16:35
GeneralAntilles	Under the repository settings	16:35
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Andy80	I check now...	16:35
Andy80	yes it is	16:36
Andy80	I try to disable it	16:36
Andy80	yeah, now it's ok :)	16:37
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Ariel_Eran	Any ops around?	16:41
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minra_	maybe?	16:43
scibot	Has anybody figured out how to do pixel doubling in pygame?	16:43
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Andy80	GeneralAntilles: there's another strange thing: I try to download a road info.... starting point "via bargi pistoia" ending point "via enrico fermi pistoia". While www.gnuite.com webservice gives me the right info, if I use it from maemo mapper, it says there are about 1080 km :D	16:44
minra_	(P)erformance, (Y)ou're kidding? - Game?	16:44
Andy80	but... there are only 4-5 km :)	16:44
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GeneralAntilles	Dunno, Andy80.	16:44
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sh4rpr00ter	hi all	17:07
johnx	hi	17:08
sh4rpr00ter	i read watched that video about moding nokia 770	17:08
sh4rpr00ter	which phone is better 770 / 800 ?	17:08
zoran	not phones!	17:09
sh4rpr00ter	i mean tablet	17:09
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Andy80	N800 of course :)	17:09
johnx	The N800 is better in every way	17:09
sh4rpr00ter	u know how much will it cost in used market ?? i m new to this	17:09
sh4rpr00ter	i read wiki about the same	17:09
pupnik	no the 770 is more durable than n800	17:10
johnx	check ebay or the for sale section of internettablettalk.com/forums	17:10
johnx	last time I checked an N800+extras was ~$200	17:10
sh4rpr00ter	okie. i found 770 is very cheap as 130$	17:10
pupnik	too cheap	17:10
pupnik	:)	17:10
johnx	the difference is $70 well spent	17:11
sh4rpr00ter	and on both models all the softwares are compatible ??	17:11
sh4rpr00ter	means 770 sw will work on 800	17:11
sh4rpr00ter	?	17:11
pupnik	agree johnx, for 2x the power and 12x the storage capacity	17:11
sh4rpr00ter	or have to find some new versions.	17:11
pupnik	that depends on many things sh4rpr00ter	17:12
sh4rpr00ter	okie	17:12
johnx	you'll need new versions in most cases	17:12
johnx	some command line stuff for the 770 still works on the N800	17:12
pupnik	SDL proggies too	17:12
sh4rpr00ter	all ppl here having the tablet ??	17:12
sh4rpr00ter	i wanna ask	17:13
sh4rpr00ter	if it has skype ??	17:13
johnx	yes. It has skype.	17:13
sh4rpr00ter	or gtalk ?	17:13
sh4rpr00ter	gr8	17:13
sh4rpr00ter	770 aLSO supports that skype ??	17:13
glass	skype on 770 too?	17:13
glass	i havent been keeping up	17:13
sh4rpr00ter	okie..its gr8 news.	17:14
glass	i thought it was just 800/810 but not sure	17:14
johnx	ah. I think someone hacked up skype to make it work on the 770	17:14
glass	ah	17:14
johnx	they took the 2007OS version and made it work on 2007HE	17:14
K-Fox	hey pdf viewer is good to render next page on n810?	17:14
sh4rpr00ter	maemo flash is free for use ??	17:14
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K-Fox	pdf viewer is fast?	17:15
johnx	I don't use it much	17:15
johnx	it seems ok	17:15
K-Fox	to read	17:15
keesj	pdf viewer is getting better every release. the last one is very usable	17:15
johnx	sh4rpr00ter, What do you mean by "maemo flash"?	17:16
sh4rpr00ter	means i wanna mod it...	17:16
sh4rpr00ter	as i saw video of it.	17:16
sh4rpr00ter	bin file	17:16
glass	firmware? or wha?	17:16
johnx	What are you talking about?	17:16
glass	you can run custom kernels if you want	17:16
sh4rpr00ter	yes the firmware	17:17
sh4rpr00ter	got it..its linux means free	17:17
glass	not all of the firmware is open/free tho	17:17
shackan	sh4rpr00ter: mod it to do what?	17:17
sh4rpr00ter	sniffing...	17:17
sh4rpr00ter	wlan	17:17
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sh4rpr00ter	nmap , kismet, or mplayer ....	17:18
sh4rpr00ter	n810 is out for sale ????	17:18
johnx	yes	17:18
K-Fox	what is a name of sniffing appl ?	17:18
sh4rpr00ter	kismet	17:18
zoran	dsiff	17:18
zoran	*dsniff	17:18
sh4rpr00ter	ettercap	17:18
johnx	sh4rpr00ter, There's already kismet compiled for it...but something to do with the wireless drivers causes it to stop working after a couple minutes	17:18
zoran	tcpdump	17:18
K-Fox	ettercat <--- this is worked on n810	17:19
sh4rpr00ter	810 is expensive ..	17:19
K-Fox	ok	17:19
K-Fox	expensive	17:19
johnx	yeah, the N800 is a better deal than the N810 unless you need the keyboard	17:19
K-Fox	i will buy n800	17:19
sh4rpr00ter	can i port mine linux application to work on 770 /800 ......	17:20
sh4rpr00ter	?	17:20
K-Fox	johnx/ what do you have ?	17:20
johnx	sh4rpr00ter, yes	17:20
johnx	K-Fox, N800	17:20
sh4rpr00ter	need some extra knowledge ??	17:20
sh4rpr00ter	or is there any tools for posting	17:20
sh4rpr00ter	i mean porting	17:21
johnx	sh4rpr00ter, google maemo sdk	17:21
sh4rpr00ter	coz i m hacking interested ..	17:21
sh4rpr00ter	okie	17:21
zoran	for instance?	17:21
johnx	command line tools shouldn't need any work. Just recompile	17:21
sh4rpr00ter	okie	17:21
johnx	GUI stuff will probably need to modified to fit in right with the desktop	17:21
sh4rpr00ter	all command line program will work ???	17:22
sh4rpr00ter	like on normal linux systems .	17:22
johnx	you'll have to recompile them, but for the most part they'll work	17:22
shackan	yes, in most cases at least	17:22
sh4rpr00ter	firstly i thought its a phone.	17:22
johnx	at worst you can just make yourself a debian chroot, and run stuff in that	17:22
K-Fox	johnx/ do you have no plan to buy a n810?	17:22
johnx	K-Fox, I can think of better ways to spend $350 right now. :)	17:23
sh4rpr00ter	i also heard iphone can also used for snifffing.	17:23
sh4rpr00ter	have to mod it .	17:24
K-Fox	ok	17:24
pupnik	bah the sdl keymap is brooken in chinook for hw keyboard	17:24
sh4rpr00ter	i red it at metasploit framework	17:24
K-Fox	oh iphone is sniffing wow	17:25
sh4rpr00ter	now i m desperately wanna buy 1 soon	17:25
Xxaxx	bugaga	17:25
sh4rpr00ter	770 supports how much storage?	17:25
Xxaxx	google?	17:26
sh4rpr00ter	okie.	17:26
pupnik	2GB	17:26
zoran	or more if you use sshfs	17:26
johnx	2GB RSMMC, unless you're willing to take a knife and soldering iron to the card socket	17:26
sh4rpr00ter	its a fucking gr8 thing linux in pocket..	17:26
johnx	It is	17:27
kala	perhaps somebody has a broken 770, but otherwise good case for it? I would like to mount 770 to my car and it seems that the extra case could be handy :)	17:27
johnx	sh4rpr00ter, have you looked at the zaurus at all?	17:27
sh4rpr00ter	whats that?	17:27
johnx	http://images.google.com/images?q=zaurus&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi	17:28
johnx	^google knows all^	17:28
sh4rpr00ter	fuck its pretty .	17:28
johnx	might be a better setup for sniffing and command line stuff if you don't really care about GUI apps	17:28
sh4rpr00ter	also i was looking previsously. for small screen lap.	17:29
sh4rpr00ter	i found fujitsu 1000	17:29
sh4rpr00ter	is also gr8	17:29
johnx	expensive though isn't it?	17:29
sh4rpr00ter	but $1000	17:29
sh4rpr00ter	yeah	17:29
sh4rpr00ter	8" screen	17:30
sh4rpr00ter	and how much is zaurus	17:30
sh4rpr00ter	?	17:30
johnx	like 3.5" maybe?	17:30
sh4rpr00ter	i mean cost ?	17:30
johnx	ah	17:30
johnx	$250 - $350 on ebay it looks like for a C1000	17:31
sh4rpr00ter	still expensive.have to r&d in it.	17:31
johnx	people sell them on oesf.org/forum too	17:32
sh4rpr00ter	but i gess for cheap 770 or 800 is gr8 choice.	17:33
sh4rpr00ter	afterall both are going to run linux	17:33
johnx	yeah, if you don't care about a keyboard	17:33
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GeneralAntilles	gr8?	17:33
sh4rpr00ter	yeah.	17:34
shackan	how old are you sh4rpr00ter ?	17:34
sh4rpr00ter	23	17:34
shackan	...	17:34
zoran	Billy said you don't need kb since computer should work on voice command	17:34
shackan	I tought 13	17:34
sh4rpr00ter	yeah....thats right....	17:34
sh4rpr00ter	have to conf. it . for that .	17:35
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ywwg	is there a way to ask libosso if a certain mimetype has a handler on the system? like how does the browser know how to launch files?	17:37
inz	ywwg, libosso doesn't, mut libhildonmime should	17:40
sh4rpr00ter	where can i buy 770 or 800 direct means no bidding....	17:40
sh4rpr00ter	i dont trust ppl at ebay.	17:40
sh4rpr00ter	some times....	17:40
GeneralAntilles	buy.com	17:41
sh4rpr00ter	okie.	17:42
pupnik	blah ultima6 runs like ass	17:43
doc\|home	buy.com have good prices if you're in the US	17:45
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pupnik	and lots of complaints about service	17:46
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GeneralAntilles	pupnik, from who?	17:47
GeneralAntilles	My dealings with them have always been great	17:47
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pupnik	just my impression from the number of complaints i see	17:47
pupnik	returns, doa, rma	17:47
GeneralAntilles	What kind of impression do you get with the number of complaints you see about the N810? :P	17:48
zoran	looks like 25% damaged	17:48
zoran	or I got that impression	17:49
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pupnik	any DOS games you want me to test with this new dosbox build?	17:49
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GeneralAntilles	Fun ones!	17:50
lcuk_2	pupnik, does Win3.11 work in dosbox?	17:51
lcuk_2	(knows it aint fun)	17:51
GeneralAntilles	Haha	17:51
GeneralAntilles	That would crack me up.	17:51
lcuk_2	it probably would work, and the scary thing is it would be more efficient than vista ;)	17:51
pupnik	i think it does if you enable the full cpu	17:52
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lcuk_2	i think i might be onto something re: battery drain and fbreader. i minimised all last night before locking device and battery is exactly where i left it	17:53
* lcuk_2 must read more before coming up with final proof		17:54
GeneralAntilles	If your conclusions are wrong, we're going to have to kill you.	17:54
lcuk_2	thats ok, its only empirical at the moment	17:55
lcuk_2	i did some logging with top and checking where cpu was being used but the results are a bit fuzzy at the mo	17:55
* lcuk_2 has a visualisation of an hours worth of data in different scenarios		17:55
lcuk_2	although i need a better way to monitor stats	17:56
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kpel	hi all	18:01
thopiekar	hi	18:01
johnx	hi	18:02
pupnik	wow norton si reporting it at roughly 24mhz 80386 speed	18:02
lcuk_2	cool, you might try running visicalc :) http://www.bricklin.com/visicalc.htm	18:04
pupnik	mips reports it as 2x as fast as a compaq 386, 4x as fast as a 286 @ 8mhz, 16x as fast as a 4.77mhz pc	18:05
pupnik	doesn't quite translate into games performance of course, cause screen draws and sound takes up a lot of time	18:05
lcuk_2	so you have a nice fast ibm compatible with altair level graphics	18:07
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pupnik	hehe	18:09
pupnik	well it slows down severely with gfx/disk acess	18:09
pupnik	trying to get a feel for what class of games run well now	18:09
lcuk_2	nethack ;)	18:10
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pupnik	betrayal at krondor is somewhat playable	18:13
glass	dosboxed?	18:14
pupnik	yeah	18:14
glass	wow	18:14
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pupnik	the 3d outdoor scenes are about 1 fps, but that's not so unusual	18:14
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glass	it wasn't fast on a real machine even tho iirc?	18:16
pupnik	the real problem is with sdl and the n810 keyboard. mapping is off and function key doesn't work.	18:16
pupnik	yes iirc. i'll try it on PC dosbox	18:16
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zoran	someone using dict client?	18:33
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lcuk_2	wifi wlan question: if i leave it connected with no timeout but i am not using the connection does it drain the battery quickly or can i basically forget about it and leave it connected?	19:20
GeneralAntilles	Forget	19:22
GeneralAntilles	unless something is doing a lot of something	19:22
glass	depends whats happening on the network i'd reckon?	19:22
lcuk_2	no, basically a webpage open (remote control front end) and only quick connections when i press buttons but currently im set to timeout so it disconnects after 5 mins	19:23
GeneralAntilles	The WLAN powersaving is rather incredible.	19:23
GeneralAntilles	It cycles on and off very quickly.	19:23
lcuk_2	so its simimlar to the radio on a cellular phone - ie only uses power rarely and occasionally when required	19:23
lcuk_2	actually, just thinking about this i best block off connections to the outside world. dont want random folks controlling my movie ;)	19:25
pupnik	thing about these damn javascript webpages is you have no idea what they're doing	19:28
pupnik	unlike the good clean days of html	19:28
* lcuk_2 has hacked together a <table> page...		19:29
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lcuk_2	with old fashioned a links	19:29
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pupnik	in fact the whole damn web is an evil sick piece of shite	19:30
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GeneralAntilles	Ha	19:30
* lcuk_2 agrees with you		19:30
pupnik	all we need is a protocol for identifying screen size, a text input box, and where the user clicked	19:30
pupnik	everything can be server-side, and a trivial, simple client	19:30
melmoth	real men use gopher !	19:30
lcuk_2	yer but this needs to be used by my real woman	19:31
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lcuk_2	so she wants big fat buttons	19:31
pupnik	gopher was the u of mn mascot	19:31
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nick_fn	Does the front of the N800 come off, to make it easier to fit a screen protector?	19:35
GeneralAntilles	Yes.	19:36
doc\|home	it does?!	19:36
doc\|home	goddamn it, why did no one tell me this?!	19:36
* doc\|home spent a good half hour trying to apply his		19:36
nick_fn	GeneralAntilles: do you know how ? :-)	19:36
GeneralAntilles	There are 3 tabs bellow the kickstand	19:37
GeneralAntilles	use a jewelers screwdriver to finagle them open.	19:37
nick_fn	yep, I see them	19:37
GeneralAntilles	Just try not to loose the buttons.	19:38
GeneralAntilles	s/loose/lose/	19:38
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Just try not to lose the buttons.	19:38
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GeneralAntilles	doc\|home, because you didn't ask.	19:38
doc\|home	:o	19:39
doc\|home	ok, so, while we're there: can the CPU/Memory work any faster? :)	19:40
GeneralAntilles	No.	19:40
nick_fn	the two end ones are easy, the middle tab is being tricky	19:40
doc\|home	damn!	19:40
doc\|home	:)	19:40
nick_fn	doc\|home: I can upgrade to OS2008 from 2007 to make the clock speed faster, IIRC...	19:40
doc\|home	nick_fn: yep, have done that	19:40
doc\|home	still the browser doesn't seem to render any faster	19:41
GeneralAntilles	It does.	19:41
GeneralAntilles	Unless you were on Opera	19:41
GeneralAntilles	In which case, it's only a little faster.	19:41
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nick_fn	ok, top off now	19:42
GeneralAntilles	Which screen protector?	19:43
nick_fn	I got an invisible shield	19:43
nick_fn	normally I go with Brando Workshop though. brb, I forgot my compressed air, so I'll go fetch that	19:44
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DaniloCesar	is mirob default on OS2008 or Opera still begin instaled by default?	19:57
* DaniloCesar s/mirob/microb		19:58
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pupnik	opera is gone	19:59
GeneralAntilles	and good riddance to bad rubbish.	20:00
nick_fn	hmm... well, that went badly	20:00
nick_fn	even managed to drop the protector on carpet mid way through	20:01
nick_fn	and it got really stuck to my gloves I thought I'd wear to stop finger prints	20:01
GeneralAntilles	Ha	20:02
GeneralAntilles	It's called soap. :P	20:02
nick_fn	I use very thin plastic gloves for doing picture frames, so I thought that might work good here too	20:02
nick_fn	but nope	20:02
pupnik	i suggest a hard case - my n810 is already dented (barely noticeable)	20:04
nick_fn	which do you recommend?	20:04
pupnik	dunno	20:04
GeneralAntilles	Not for the N800	20:04
GeneralAntilles	N810, maybe	20:04
GeneralAntilles	But the N800 isn't dentable	20:04
nick_fn	bugger, there is three bits under the protector	20:05
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shackan	bits?	20:05
GeneralAntilles	Pieces of dirt	20:05
nick_fn	one yellow thread bit, one dark bit, and one other thing	20:06
nick_fn	wonder how easy it is to take them off again...	20:07
jeff1f	Not very!	20:07
nick_fn	oh well. I'll live with it for now	20:08
nick_fn	better than scratching the screen	20:08
nick_fn	I can always order a new one I guess	20:09
GeneralAntilles	That's the problem with the invisible shield.	20:10
GeneralAntilles	Not quite as easy to reapply as others.	20:10
nick_fn	yeah, brando you can redo many times	20:10
Robot101	I have an invisible shield, it's almost like not having one at all. works wonderfully, keep it in the provided case, not got any scratches....	20:10
nick_fn	I'm finding the screen quite 'tacky' still - will that go away after time?	20:11
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kpel	nick_fn, maybe. the problem i've found is that i tap on a place and an event for another,nearby place, gets generated.	20:16
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nick_fn	kpel: I checked with maemopad+, and drawing works as expected so I don't have that issue yet	20:20
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pupnik	anybody want to compile a sound blaster 16 emulator for the tablet dsp? :)	20:46
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lcuk_2	pupnik, sure. you get me the source, i'll compile it for you ;)	20:55
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pupnik	dosbox-0.72/src/hardware/sblaster.cpp	21:00
skibur	http://www.eyeq.tv/?cid=131143 <--- This would be a good app fot the Tablet. :)	21:05
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lcuk_2	pupnik, it will compile but I am having trouble squashing my old sb16 card inside the MMC slot of my 810. it made some sort of crunching noise when i pushed it in but i think its ok	21:07
lcuk_2	ill test it when i bring it back online, it all crash for some bizarre reason ;)	21:08
pupnik	hehe	21:08
pupnik	i need to also profile it	21:08
pupnik	but first! more testing	21:09
lcuk_2	skibur, this eyeq thing is not possible on 810 because: "exclusive high speed imaging techniques". ...	21:09
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lcuk_2	pup, was it you that wanted an xv graphics example for some reason	21:10
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pupnik	yeah	21:11
pupnik	also need to look at what pipeline is doing to make quake2 draw fast	21:11
lcuk_2	well ill be looking in that direction in the next few days (if i can get compiling off the ground..)	21:11
pupnik	cool	21:12
lcuk_2	i want to run monochrome images (book text) and think thats the way i need to be pointing	21:12
pupnik	yes. i also need to learn what mplayer is doing	21:13
GeneralAntilles	Magic	21:13
GeneralAntilles	evil voodoo magic	21:13
GeneralAntilles	Burn the witches!	21:13
pupnik	yeah, "any siginificantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" A.C. Clarke	21:14
pupnik	s/significiantly/sufficiently	21:14
lcuk_2	siarhei is doing the mplayer ninja logic isnt it	21:14
pupnik	yes	21:14
lcuk_2	but hes not the core mplayer guy - just specifically maemo from what i could gather	21:14
pupnik	yes	21:14
* lcuk_2 is glad someone is fighting for our team :)		21:15
lcuk_2	v1 of my remote control is working (total html at client end) now to make it much faster with python and sockets :)	21:18
* lcuk_2 might get to watch a movie by this time next year		21:18
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lcuk_2	is there in /dev/ that i can read current battery status?	21:21
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danie2	Hi Everybody.	21:22
pupnik	greetings	21:22
danie2	I need to know if there a completely free version of maemo without any proprietary software installed except required driver	21:23
danie2	*drivers	21:23
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danie2	I want to use maemo, but I saw that it comes with a lot of nonfree software inside.	21:23
danie2	is there any possibility to hack that o.s. to be fully free?	21:24
shackan	there's ubuntu mobile	21:25
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danie2	yes? and is it rocks on the nokia n810?	21:25
Robot101	you can build openedhand's poky for the N8x0, with just free software like matchbox/GPE stuff	21:25
Robot101	also debian-maemo is doing that kind of thing too	21:26
danie2	thank you.	21:27
danie2	also I would like to know if there a program to sync the PIM with evolution?	21:28
pupnik	yes some ppl are doing that, search internettablettalk.com with terms gpe and evolution	21:28
pupnik	i think	21:28
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danie2	thank yu all for that tremendously helpfull info. I will start to look for buyng this device.	21:30
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pupnik	no numbers in dosbox is teh sux	21:42
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pupnik	Test Drive 2 - 5 fps	21:50
pupnik	looks like the n810 is still pretty much limited to XT class games	21:51
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Xamusk	pupnik, someone said that it runs quake2	22:00
GeneralAntilles	This is for dosbox, Xamusk.	22:01
pupnik	ooh wing commander might be playable	22:01
Xamusk	oh, I guess I got the train running	22:01
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Xamusk	what is dosbox? dos emulator?	22:02
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Jon	yes, exactly	22:02
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pupnik	we need to set up a bounty of a few thousand dollars for whomever gets dynamic recompilation on dosbox in AMR	22:05
pupnik	200 people @ 20 dollars?	22:06
darkip	What would be awesome would be injection drivers for the built in wireless	22:07
pupnik	that too	22:07
pupnik	or how about making it legal to provide an open wlan. that'd be nice	22:08
GeneralAntilles	I wonder how many of the people begging for injection are actually using it for work-related penetration testing. . . .	22:09
Lynoure	GeneralAntilles: wild guess: maybe about half.	22:10
GeneralAntilles	That high?	22:10
GeneralAntilles	I don't agree. :P	22:11
Lynoure	GeneralAntilles: Feel free to guess better :)	22:11
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Lynoure	At least here seems quite common to do stuff like that for work or career, most of the nasties are a bit too lazy or low profile to beg	22:12
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pupnik	hmrmsz	23:18
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Tama^2	zzzzzz	23:32
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Tama^2	hey folks	23:35
Tama^2	anyone else got their N8x0 hosed by the rtcomm update	23:35
Tama^2	of the 19th of Jan?	23:35
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pupnik	yes someone mentioned that yesterday	23:36
pupnik	reboot loop	23:36
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Tama^2	it was me xD	23:37
Tama^2	lol	23:37
pupnik	oh sorry	23:37
Tama^2	well, back to pidgin for me ;)	23:37
pupnik	you are working on pidgin?	23:38
Tama^2	no, I mean I am back to using pidgin :)	23:38
pupnik	instead of what?	23:38
GeneralAntilles	rtcomm	23:38
Tama^2	the builtin multiprotocol support	23:39
pupnik	ohh	23:39
pupnik	gah synthetic benchmarks are useless for dosbox	23:39
script	[announce] I just completed a beta-version of vpnc-gui including features like profile-support, auto-connect on specific IAPs and interactive-auth. (http://scriptkiller.de/pub/temp/chinook/vpnc-gui_0.4.0_armel.deb \| http://scriptkiller.de/pub/temp/gregale/vpnc-gui_0.4.0_armel.deb)	23:40
zerojay	Funny... because both RTCOMM and Pidgin use libpurple for connecting, so...	23:40
zerojay	And it was me that got the reboot loop thanks to the RTCOMM update.	23:40
zerojay	I had to reflash... but after reflashing and installing the updates right away, it works fine, it seems.	23:41
Tama^2	you are not the only one then	23:41
GeneralAntilles	Worked fine right off for me.	23:41
Tama^2	I did not attempt that	23:41
zerojay	The new updates?	23:41
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah	23:41
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Tama^2	lucky you :P	23:43
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zerojay	Glad to see Jabber is starting to really make waves.	23:44
zerojay	AIM/ICQ going to switch to XMPP.	23:44
pupnik	doom.exe -timedemo demo3 = ~ 1.3 fps :(	23:44
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zerojay	Modest able to completely replace the default e-mail client yet?	23:48
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GeneralAntilles	Not yet.	23:54
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