| p| | seems 'python setup.py build' find the wrong gcc path on scratchbox (chinook) | 00:03 |
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| mazzen | rutledge: it's not "repository" | 00:07 |
| mazzen | wait a second, please | 00:07 |
| mazzen | rutledge: please try http://repostory.maemo.org/ . i'm not sure if this fix your issue, but try it. it's better than nothing | 00:09 |
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| rutledge | leave off extras/ in other words | 00:09 |
| mazzen | no | 00:10 |
| mazzen | change repository to repostory | 00:10 |
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| rutledge | no the spelling of repository is fine | 00:15 |
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| rutledge | now that I figured out how to ssh in again (it's been a while) I can just use apt instead of that horrid GUI | 00:16 |
| ustunozgur | can osso-xterm load .profile? how? | 00:21 |
| ustunozgur | i mean ash | 00:21 |
| rutledge | for me it loads .profile | 00:22 |
| rutledge | via ssh | 00:22 |
| disq | ooh somebody from bilkent | 00:22 |
| disq | nice | 00:22 |
| ustunozgur | hi. | 00:23 |
| ustunozgur | it loads /etc/profile for me from ssh | 00:25 |
| disq | did you check the ITT forums about this? | 00:25 |
| ustunozgur | no, not yet. got the machine yesterday :) | 00:26 |
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| disq | which one, n800, 810, or the 770? | 00:26 |
| ustunozgur | n800 | 00:27 |
| disq | flashed OS2008 yet? | 00:27 |
| rutledge | yes I see, if there is a /home/user/.profile, it doesn't affect the xterm | 00:27 |
| rutledge | but you can type . ./.profile | 00:28 |
| ustunozgur | disq: no, not yet. | 00:28 |
| ustunozgur | should I? | 00:28 |
| disq | yeah it's great | 00:29 |
| rutledge | http://inz.fi/blog/2007/04/11/osso-xterm-and-profile/ | 00:32 |
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| |tbb| | how to update osso-xterm | 00:50 |
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| |tbb| | rm_you: anything new on a2dp patch | 00:53 |
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| blahdeblah | wow - this N800 rocks | 00:57 |
| kbsingh | blahdeblah: nice | 01:00 |
| kbsingh | what are you doing with it ? | 01:01 |
| blahdeblah | l'm new to N800 and maemo but not to Linux or Free Software. Where is this a good place to ask general user questions, or development only? | 01:01 |
| blahdeblah | s/Where is/Is/ | 01:01 |
| infobot | blahdeblah meant: l'm new to N800 and maemo but not to Linux or Free Software. Is this a good place to ask general user questions, or development only? | 01:01 |
| blahdeblah | Nice bot - it understands regexps! | 01:02 |
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| rm_you | |tbb|: not really, was gone for new years | 01:02 |
| blahdeblah | kbsingh: I'm trying to replace a Dell Axim X50v, and avoid buying a laptop. :-) | 01:03 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: but i did get mplayer to build right, so more testing today :) | 01:03 |
| kbsingh | blahdeblah: might work out | 01:04 |
| skibur | does the RSS feed reader app broken? | 01:04 |
| kbsingh | i have a n810 and trying to get wired ethernet going on this | 01:04 |
| kbsingh | skibur: absordly, its broken for me as well. just wont start up | 01:05 |
| kbsingh | absurdly even | 01:05 |
| rm_you | kbsingh: Supposedly USB ethernet works if you're connecting to a linux machine... is that what you're doing? | 01:05 |
| blahdeblah | skibur: anything that lists every item in a feed in the same document without breaking it up into separate messages is very broken, IMO | 01:05 |
| skibur | hum, mine will not update | 01:05 |
| blahdeblah | I hear claws mail has an RSS reader - does anyone know whether it is any good? | 01:05 |
| kbsingh | rm_you: not really, i guess you mean using usbserial and ppp over that to a machine ? | 01:06 |
| MangoFusion | blahdeblah: axim x50v? haha, i had one of those. what a nightmare | 01:06 |
| ustunozgur | |tbb|: I did an upgrade after adding maemo-hackers repo, and now I have profile sourcing in ash, | 01:06 |
| kbsingh | i need something to plug a real enet cat5 into | 01:06 |
| MangoFusion | my n800 by comparison is much more useful | 01:06 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 01:06 |
| rm_you | kbsingh: like, just a usb cable like used for flashing... | 01:06 |
| rm_you | kbsingh: lemmie see if i can find the documents on it | 01:06 |
| kbsingh | rm_you: thanks but thats not what i need | 01:07 |
| rm_you | ah ok | 01:07 |
| blahdeblah | MangoFusion: It worked pretty well for me for 3 years, but it's getting a bit long in the tooth now, and a bit inflexible. I'm finding the N800 great, but i've only had it for a couple of days, so i'm still finding my feet. | 01:07 |
| rm_you | kbsingh: are you trying to get a usb ethernet dongle working or something? | 01:07 |
| kbsingh | i need to be able to plug the n810 into a real network that has no computers on it and ssh / telnet around | 01:07 |
| rm_you | ah | 01:08 |
| kbsingh | rm_you: thats the plan | 01:08 |
| kbsingh | not sure which one to get | 01:08 |
| rm_you | well, good luck... you get the USB host part working at least? | 01:08 |
| MangoFusion | blahdeblah: i couldn't quite find a place for mine. then the battery started going. and of course the OS always seemed to be annoyingly slow (even when i upgraded) | 01:08 |
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| rm_you | I'm not sure how hard that is supposed to be in os2008, but i've been planning on testing it... bought the cable like a month ago in preparation | 01:08 |
| MangoFusion | i have higher hopes for my n800 though | 01:09 |
| MangoFusion | hehe | 01:09 |
| blahdeblah | Me too | 01:09 |
| kbsingh | i suppose it starts with me getting a sandbox up and the kernel sources | 01:09 |
| MangoFusion | just need to set up a dev environment and hey presto | 01:09 |
| MangoFusion | (that's the plan, anyway) | 01:09 |
| * czr peeks | 01:09 | |
| kbsingh | MangoFusion: famous last words | 01:09 |
| MangoFusion | haha yes | 01:09 |
| rm_you | yeah, the sandbox setup for the n800 is amazingly simple... i just came from Zaurus development like a year ago, and that was ridiculously hard in comparison :/ | 01:10 |
| MangoFusion | i thought zaurus was supposed to be good | 01:10 |
| kbsingh | man, getting ctrl and p at the same time is hard on this thing | 01:10 |
| MangoFusion | or was that *used* to be good? | 01:10 |
| rm_you | the platform? or the development system? >_> | 01:11 |
| rm_you | the platform was awesome, but comparatively kinda bleh now | 01:11 |
| blahdeblah | The most fricking annoying thing about this N800 is that i can't select 24 hour time. And they marked the bug as "RESOLVED LATER" - how is that resolved? | 01:11 |
| rm_you | the dev system with bit-bake was ridiculous... it took like 5 hours to set up, on a FAST system | 01:11 |
| rm_you | blahdeblah: in 2008? seriously? that's... dumb | 01:11 |
| czr | rm_you, try installing maemo sdk when there's a new OS release | 01:12 |
| * kbsingh bbl | 01:12 | |
| blahdeblah | rm_you: Yep - upgrading to 2008 was the first thing i did when i got it. | 01:12 |
| MangoFusion | me too | 01:12 |
| rm_you | i just upgraded yesterday (had the device for like four months now in os2007) | 01:12 |
| blahdeblah | Apparently this has been a bug since OS2005, which i'd never even heard of until i looked up the bug in bugzilla | 01:12 |
| rm_you | i was hesitant because everything was working excellently already... but i really wanted to work on a2dp dev in 2008 | 01:13 |
| rm_you | i'm only kinda regretting the flash >_> | 01:13 |
| rm_you | but when a2dp support gets better in 2008, things should settle down... it's actually WORSE at the moment :( | 01:13 |
| blahdeblah | Yeah - and i hear backup and restore isn't that great yet. | 01:14 |
| blahdeblah | What's a2dp, BTW? | 01:14 |
| rm_you | bluetooth stereo audio protocol | 01:14 |
| rm_you | so i can listen to music on my bluetooth wireless headphones | 01:15 |
| blahdeblah | cool | 01:15 |
| rm_you | and eventually (hopefully... but will need a lot of improvement first) watch movies :P | 01:15 |
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| blahdeblah | Thanks for the chat, folks. Gotta go & feed the kids some breakfast. :-) Will be seeing you all again "real soon now". :-) | 01:15 |
| rm_you | yeah, brb lunch :P | 01:16 |
| * kbsingh goes back to fingering his ps3/fedora | 01:16 | |
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| czr | alterego, hey man, happy new year :-) | 01:17 |
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| czr | and all of you other maemoers too :-) | 01:17 |
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| kbsingh | rar, a new year | 01:18 |
| kbsingh | have a good one | 01:18 |
| czr | I promise to! | 01:19 |
| inz | czr, you mean maemoaners | 01:20 |
| czr | maemowieners :-) | 01:20 |
| czr | hey inz too | 01:20 |
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| kbsingh | guys, in oss-xterm, how do i get a ctrl keystroke on the toolbar ? | 01:25 |
| kbsingh | just pressing it does not work, and neither does ^p | 01:25 |
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| kbsingh | nor does ControlP | 01:27 |
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| halley | It should be magically adding it to the toolbar, separate from the ones you added. | 01:28 |
| kbsingh | halley: how do i type in a trl p in the value box ? | 01:29 |
| kbsingh | also there is no plus sign on the keyboard | 01:29 |
| kbsingh | and Chr menu does not have it either | 01:29 |
| kbsingh | eeeerr | 01:30 |
| kbsingh | wait :) | 01:30 |
| * kbsingh spots a + key | 01:30 | |
| |tbb| | kbsingh: http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/ whatever key you need | 01:31 |
| kbsingh | |tbb|: ty | 01:32 |
| * kbsingh looks | 01:32 | |
| kbsingh | humm not what i need | 01:33 |
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| kbsingh | i need to work out howto get a key combo into the xterm toolbar / shortcuts bar | 01:34 |
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| inz | kbsingh, <ctrl>p | 01:34 |
| kbsingh | ah lets try that | 01:34 |
| inz | At least that's the way I coded it ^^ | 01:35 |
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| kbsingh | inz works, ty | 01:35 |
| halley | documentation ftw | 01:35 |
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| kbsingh | halley: where are the docs on this ? | 01:36 |
| halley | My comment was to inz, or whomever should have produced docs. | 01:36 |
| kbsingh | aah. i thought i was overlooking something | 01:37 |
| inz | halley, I'm no technical writer | 01:37 |
| kbsingh | but yea a hint of sorts would help | 01:37 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to make the toolbar bigger | 01:37 |
| inz | |tbb|, in "my" version (i.e. the one from maemo-hackers) just write longer labels, in the "official" 2008 version, probably not | 01:38 |
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| kbsingh | aaaggg no, how about make it smaller ? atleast 6px on top and 6px on the bottom could be trimmed without changing font size or anything extra | 01:39 |
| Spac0r | are the core tools like package manager or config screen open source in OS2008? | 01:39 |
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| kbsingh | inz: how about some way to loose that scrollbar on the right ? | 01:39 |
| kbsingh | is that possible | 01:40 |
| halley | 'lose' | 01:40 |
| SXN_KommandEr | hey guys | 01:40 |
| kbsingh | halley: yea that, not quiteused to the kb as yet | 01:40 |
| Spac0r | hi, SXN_KommandEr from the beautifull city | 01:40 |
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| halley | Spac0r, the app manager is a gui over apt-get. Neither gui is likely "open". | 01:40 |
| SXN_KommandEr | i just got a program working on the N770 and im happy. but is there a way of doing faster text input than on-screen kbd? | 01:41 |
| inz | kbsingh, I'll implement that if I ever make a new version | 01:41 |
| deejoe | SXN_KommandEr: you can get a bluetooth hardware keyboard | 01:41 |
| inz | kbsingh, but now that nokia seems to be picking up some maintainership, I might not do any more releases | 01:41 |
| Spac0r | halley, so basically the config screen app and sub apps aren't open sourced? | 01:41 |
| kbsingh | inz you the man | 01:41 |
| deejoe | or you can install openssh-server and then ssh in from another computer | 01:41 |
| SXN_KommandEr | deejoe thats not a bad idea but costs 100$ | 01:41 |
| kbsingh | hummm | 01:41 |
| deejoe | SXN_KommandEr: I got one for about half that. | 01:42 |
| deejoe | the folding ones cost that much | 01:42 |
| SXN_KommandEr | openssh-server sounds better, if i run an X application from the ssh console will it display on the N770 display? | 01:42 |
| deejoe | but an apple bt keyboard can be had for less. | 01:42 |
| halley | amazon had the folding one for US$30 a few weeks ago. | 01:42 |
| SXN_KommandEr | oh man 30$ is a great price | 01:42 |
| kbsingh | igo have a nice keyboard | 01:42 |
| SXN_KommandEr | apple bt kbd goes fro how much? | 01:42 |
| halley | SXN_KommandEr, you can run x apps from ssh and it appear on the tablet, yes. | 01:43 |
| |tbb| | i would like to open n810 programs over ssh on desktop pc, but i dont get it | 01:43 |
| kbsingh | the other thing that might make some more room on the screen is that smart typing guessing bar at the bottom | 01:43 |
| kbsingh | that really should be turn on/off'able | 01:44 |
| halley | |tbb|, are you setting DISPLAY on your ssh? | 01:44 |
| SXN_KommandEr | that smart typing thing is useless when typing hot code at a REPL prompt | 01:44 |
| |tbb| | how ? | 01:44 |
| halley | kbsingh, I installed scim-anthy and it got rid of that guessbar. | 01:44 |
| deejoe | smart typing is also not good when entering passwords in an xterm | 01:45 |
| kbsingh | halley: that also turns off the chr menu and for me the fn key also | 01:45 |
| SXN_KommandEr | lol passwords yeah | 01:45 |
| halley | kbsingh, well, chr works differently yes, but fn still works. Just not sticky. | 01:45 |
| kbsingh | humm | 01:45 |
| kbsingh | compleetely disabled fn for me | 01:46 |
| kbsingh | agh! typo's galore | 01:46 |
| SXN_KommandEr | basic dumb questions: how do i figure out what version im using on the n770? also if i do end up selling it, how do i wipe the thing down and reset it? | 01:46 |
| kbsingh | ok, sigsleep chaps | 01:46 |
| halley | It's not an n770 or N770, it's a 770. | 01:46 |
| SXN_KommandEr | ok | 01:47 |
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| halley | |tbb|, I don't like unprovoked /msg | 01:47 |
| SXN_KommandEr | 770* | 01:47 |
| |tbb| | k | 01:47 |
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| halley | |tbb|, if you're asking how, then you're not doing it. | 01:47 |
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| |tbb| | i dont know how | 01:47 |
| halley | |tbb|, you have to have an X11 service on the pc, for example. | 01:47 |
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| |tbb| | k | 01:50 |
| SXN_KommandEr | how do i know what version im using on the 770? | 01:50 |
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| ustunozgur | SXN_KommandEr: control panel- about product | 01:51 |
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| SXN_KommandEr | Control Panel -> Device -> About Product thanks | 01:52 |
| SXN_KommandEr | OS 2006, is that good enough or is it worth upgrading a 770? | 01:52 |
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| rm_you | is there a maemo-hackers equivalent xterm for os2008? | 01:58 |
| rm_you | the default is bleh, i miss my advanced xterm from 2007 | 01:59 |
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| inz | rm_you, I guess I'll have to make one | 02:01 |
| inz | rm_you, though because the new a-i will refuse to overwrite "official" packages with one from another repo, I'll have to re-brand it | 02:01 |
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| ph|ber | anyone have kismet running on the 810? | 02:03 |
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| |tbb| | inz: do u know how to bring os2008 applications viassh to the desktop pc | 02:08 |
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| ph|ber | ssh -X | 02:09 |
| inz | |tbb|, I have not tried and don't know the default config of the ssh package | 02:10 |
| inz | |tbb|, ssh -X helps if X11 forwarding is enabled in the server | 02:10 |
| inz | |tbb|, (or ssh -Y) | 02:10 |
| |tbb| | ssh -X doesnt worked for me | 02:11 |
| deejoe | which kind of doesn't work does it do? | 02:12 |
| |tbb| | the applications still starting on internettablet | 02:13 |
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| rm_you | try changing DISPLAY= ? | 02:16 |
| rm_you | what is $DISPLAY now? | 02:16 |
| |tbb| | echo $DISPLAY says :0.0 | 02:17 |
| |tbb| | on desktop pc | 02:17 |
| SXN_KommandEr | how do i know if im running gregale or mistral? | 02:17 |
| rm_you | right but | 02:17 |
| SXN_KommandEr | i dont understand the 770 timeline of upgrades | 02:17 |
| rm_you | when you ssh -X into your n810 | 02:17 |
| |tbb| | Nokia-N810-50-2:~# echo $DISPLAY | 02:18 |
| |tbb| | �:0.0 | 02:18 |
| rm_you | >_> | 02:18 |
| rm_you | does that say "localhost:0.0"? | 02:18 |
| |tbb| | nope also :0.0 | 02:20 |
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| rm_you | what is "�" | 02:22 |
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| |tbb| | its not there anymore | 02:23 |
| |tbb| | after loggin in it says :0.0 | 02:24 |
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| rm_you | odd | 02:27 |
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| rm_you | well, i don't remember exactly what it's supposed to be... i haven't played with that stuff in a while | 02:28 |
| rm_you | you can try looking up a normal X forwarding tutorial and see if you can figure out what it's supposed to be, and just set it manually... | 02:28 |
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| rm_you | though the problem is that i'm not sure X is built with forwarding enabled | 02:29 |
| dospod | hey anybody have adduser for it2008 | 02:29 |
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| rm_you | trying to get gnokii? :P | 02:30 |
| |tbb| | when i setup the wlan connection manually from console (iwconfig ....) and im successfully connected to the ap. ping www.google.com works. when i then try to start the browser it always trys to connect to an ap. is there a way to browse internet without the browser itself try to find an ap to connect | 02:30 |
| dospod | mhm lol | 02:30 |
| rm_you | heh, tell me if you figure it out :P | 02:30 |
| dospod | ok lol | 02:31 |
| dospod | but i need adduser to start | 02:31 |
| dospod | im sure it wouldnt be hard to port | 02:33 |
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| dospod | its surprising its noot on it2008 yet | 02:36 |
| |tbb| | any idea what i can do stop microb trying to connect to an ap | 02:36 |
| blahdeblah | Hi all. What's the best way to conserve battery power (other than turning off) when i'm not using my N800? | 02:36 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: connection preferences in the control panel | 02:37 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: you can set it to never automatically connect | 02:37 |
| alterego | blahdeblah, make sure you're in offline mode and there's no web browser window open. | 02:37 |
| rm_you | blahdeblah: offline mode | 02:37 |
| disq | blahdeblah: lock screen & keys in os2008 (this will turn off the screen too) | 02:37 |
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| rm_you | blahdeblah: and make the screen turn off quickly | 02:37 |
| disq | and yeah offlinemode is good | 02:37 |
| rm_you | disq: oddly enough, my lock screen and keys no longer blanks the screen for me in 2008 >_> it's annoying | 02:38 |
| blahdeblah | alterego: Why no web browser window? | 02:38 |
| disq | yeah i imagine it would be | 02:38 |
| dospod | apps running causes drain | 02:38 |
| disq | it sometimes doesn't blank here too, but that's usually when i touch the screen immediately after locking it or so | 02:38 |
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| blahdeblah | OK - i'll try offline mode. Last night i just locked the screen & keys and came back this morning and it was completely dead. | 02:39 |
| SXN_KommandEr | i installed becomeroot, how do i use it? | 02:40 |
| dospod | sudo gainroot in terminal | 02:41 |
| |tbb| | rm_you: doesnt work | 02:41 |
| SXN_KommandEr | thank you dospod, it worked nicely | 02:41 |
| dospod | ur welcome | 02:41 |
| dospod | its one of the few things i know how to do | 02:42 |
| |tbb| | always when i try to open a site and im not connected through the applet, it trys to connect or ask where it should connect | 02:42 |
| SXN_KommandEr | dospod :) | 02:42 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: oh. yeah. it does that :( dunno | 02:42 |
| SXN_KommandEr | when i do install ssh with 'apt-get install ssh' will it start the sshd server automatically so i can logon from my desktop? | 02:43 |
| SXN_KommandEr | ah ok it says it started the OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd | 02:44 |
| |tbb| | i would like to have a script which automaticly connect the device through an ap, via gps data, so if im in the range of an ap it should connect to this, 5 metres belong it should connect to another ap ..... | 02:44 |
| dospod | the n800 is a cool device :] | 02:45 |
| |tbb| | but i not figured it out how i can stop microb from searching for an ap | 02:45 |
| dospod | tbb that would be hard to script | 02:45 |
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| |tbb| | i dont think thats to hard | 02:46 |
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| SXN_KommandEr | wow sshd started, i logged in, and changed to user 'user' wow wow wow on a 770 | 02:47 |
| dospod | tbb have fun ;) | 02:48 |
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| rm_you | |tbb|: well, it already connects to any AP you saved if you get close >_> so just having an AP map would be enough, i would think | 02:49 |
| SXN_KommandEr | ok so when i login via ssh i start an app that makes a toplevel X window, i guess its not 'hildonized' so it doesnt show up in the left pane of active apps, is there a way around this? | 02:49 |
| |tbb| | i often got the problem the device connect trough an ap which is saved in the preferences. but this ap stays on another town has the same essid | 02:50 |
| |tbb| | this sucks | 02:50 |
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| |tbb| | if i figured out how to stop microb searching for a connection while im allready on another connection that would be enough | 02:51 |
| |tbb| | then i will trying to script what i have posted before | 02:52 |
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| rm_you | |tbb|: http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0_armel_bufftime.deb | 03:07 |
| rm_you | patched mplayer package, seems to increase the alsa buffer significantly, and as a result reduce some of the a2dp playback issues | 03:08 |
| rm_you | still uses almost 90% CPU, so you can't do anything ELSE... but it doesn't seem to cut out in the middle of songs | 03:09 |
| rm_you | playing mp3s on a2dp very nicely, actually | 03:13 |
| rm_you | sweet. | 03:13 |
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| |tbb| | wasnt able to install it, ive tried it the it says not enough space (confuse) ive uninstalled the mplayer package then completly and tried to install your packet then dependencie problems. installing the official mplayer package then it worked | 03:28 |
| rm_you | hrm | 03:29 |
| rm_you | all i had to do was apt-get remove mplayer (official) | 03:29 |
| rm_you | and then dpkg -i my mplayer | 03:29 |
| rm_you | you have an n800 or n810? | 03:29 |
| |tbb| | tried that also, | 03:29 |
| |tbb| | n810 | 03:29 |
| rm_you | though i don't think it matters for 2008 | 03:29 |
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| rm_you | mine is an n800... that's all i can think of? | 03:29 |
| rm_you | but i compiled it for n8x0 | 03:30 |
| rm_you | >_> | 03:30 |
| rm_you | weird | 03:30 |
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| |tbb| | got my headphones not here anyway | 03:30 |
| rm_you | ah :( | 03:30 |
| rm_you | i am curious if anyone else will have the same problem... | 03:31 |
| rm_you | cause it doesnt really make sense | 03:31 |
| rm_you | what dependency problem? | 03:31 |
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| Crooper | Is there a classic Mac emulation for itos2008 | 03:33 |
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| |tbb| | libmad0 >= 0.15.1b is not installe libogg0 is not installed libtheora is not installed | 03:34 |
| rm_you | ah | 03:36 |
| rm_you | can you not apt-get install those> | 03:36 |
| rm_you | ? | 03:36 |
| rm_you | i do have those on my system... | 03:36 |
| |tbb| | next time gotta go to bed now | 03:37 |
| rm_you | kk | 03:37 |
| rm_you | night | 03:37 |
| |tbb| | n8 | 03:37 |
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| astro76 | Crooper, not that I know of | 03:37 |
| Crooper | Okay astro76 thanks | 03:38 |
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| blahdeblah | Newbie question: what are my options for PIM/PDA-style functionality? I've heard of gpe, but couldn't find it anywhere on maemo.org (at least not for OS2008), and i don't really want to give Google all my data. :-) | 04:22 |
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| blahdeblah | And another newbie question: after using my bluetooth keyboard, i no longer get the character recognition block down the bottom when i click in a text field. All i get is a grey bar with 'abc' on the bottom right. How do i get back the handwriting recognition? | 04:24 |
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| Dregz | blahdeblah, http://www.cobb.uk.net/NokiaIT/index.html | 04:44 |
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| rm_you | Anyone here able to help test a2dp audio stuff? | 04:45 |
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| valdis3 | blahdeblah, you can also get the gpe set of PIM applications at http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php | 04:48 |
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| smadd | hi | 04:53 |
| blast007 | anyone know if there is a build of synergy for OS2008? | 04:54 |
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| unique311 | no os2008 synergy yet. | 04:59 |
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| unique311 | but you should try to os2007 version. | 05:00 |
| rm_you | omg! videos play with a2dp, and no lag! AMAZING | 05:00 |
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| salty | where is the repository list in maemo? | 05:02 |
| legind | which OS? | 05:06 |
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| salty | 2008 | 05:10 |
| legind | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/holdon-application-manager.list | 05:12 |
| legind | er hildon not holdon | 05:12 |
| Dist | rm_you: a2dp in what? | 05:16 |
| rm_you | mplayer/os2008 | 05:16 |
| Dist | repo? | 05:17 |
| rm_you | i just packaged up a deb... | 05:17 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0_armel_bufftime.deb | 05:18 |
| Dist | How should a2dp work actually? =D | 05:18 |
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| Dist | Just use the current pairing or does it need something else? | 05:19 |
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| rm_you | follow johnx's instructions here, steps 0-4: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=111634&postcount=1 | 05:20 |
| rm_you | and then follow my instructions here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=119070&postcount=42 | 05:21 |
| rm_you | the important part are the two changes to the mplayer config | 05:21 |
| rm_you | err... in my post. since i didn't really number them | 05:22 |
| Dist | Hmm, I have a few hours to sleep so I will do that now. =D | 05:23 |
| rm_you | :P tell me how that works for you | 05:24 |
| Dist | But I'll check on those when I wake up | 05:24 |
| rm_you | working nicely here | 05:24 |
| rm_you | kk | 05:24 |
| Dist | oh btw, delay=0.2 is very likely something that's going to be changing every time you connect. Atleast on other platforms it varies a lot for me.. That's really REALLY annoying.. | 05:28 |
| rm_you | yeah >_> | 05:30 |
| rm_you | it's kinda annoying | 05:31 |
| rm_you | but better than nothing | 05:31 |
| rm_you | though i didn't have that issue on 2007, when i had videos "semi" working with a2dp | 05:31 |
| rm_you | and i really think it has more to do with the initialization time on the video, meaning small low quality videos like yotube rips will need 0 delay, wheras my very high quality (1200ish bitrate) 30 minute videos need something like 0.4 | 05:32 |
| rm_you | just based on the testing i've done so far | 05:33 |
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| blast007 | unique311: I tried to install a version of synergy for Maemo, and it said it was incompatible | 05:34 |
| blast007 | so I'll try building my own | 05:34 |
| blahdeblah | Does anyone know whether you can or should remove the default screen protector when installing a new one? Mine is already looking scratched after only 2 days of use. | 05:35 |
| rm_you | which model? | 05:36 |
| blahdeblah | I just realised i didn't say that. N800 | 05:36 |
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| rm_you | people keep talking about a screen protector, but i've never been able to tell if i had one or not | 05:36 |
| rm_you | i don't think my n800 has one <_< | 05:36 |
| blahdeblah | Mine is clearly visible at the edges of the screen. It came preinstalled | 05:36 |
| rm_you | hrm | 05:37 |
| rm_you | well... i bought mine used... so maybe the original owner took it off for me? | 05:37 |
| rm_you | i don't think it is there, and if it is, it doesn't scratch at all and i certainly can't tell :P | 05:37 |
| blahdeblah | Maybe. Mine also had a little tab/catch thingy attached to it, presumably to make it possible to remove it. | 05:37 |
| rm_you | well then, if i assume mine has been removed... then yes, it is possible to remove it, and the actual screen doesn't appear to scratch :P | 05:38 |
| blahdeblah | I'd rather not take that risk... | 05:38 |
| rm_you | yeah, i probably wouldn't either :/ | 05:38 |
| rm_you | when did you buy yours? | 05:39 |
| blahdeblah | I bought a couple of protectors in a separate auction when i got my N800 - just before Christmas. | 05:39 |
| rm_you | mine is about 6 months old, at least... so maybe they changed how they do screen protectors? | 05:39 |
| blahdeblah | Perhaps | 05:39 |
| shack008n | i kept it on, but ironically the plastik of this 'protector' scratches veery easily, it become ugly soon | 05:39 |
| blahdeblah | shack008n: yeah - that's what i'm finding. | 05:40 |
| blahdeblah | I only got my N800 in the mail on NYE, and after 2 days of off/on use it's rather ugly. | 05:40 |
| shack008n | it's not supposed to be a screen protector in fact :) | 05:41 |
| rm_you | heh... i use my fingernail 99% of the time on mine, and i use it probably a good hour or two minimum every day, and have for the past 3-4 months | 05:41 |
| blahdeblah | shack008n: What is it - just a cover? | 05:41 |
| blahdeblah | i.e. for dust? | 05:41 |
| rm_you | it's prolly just one of those plastic covers like on new cell phones/watches :P | 05:41 |
| shack008n | yeah, that's why they package it with the label to quickly peel it off | 05:42 |
| shack008n | the screen doesn't scratch tough(but i'm very careful too) | 05:43 |
| blahdeblah | Hmmm. Sounds like it's time to break out the real (3rd party) screen protectors | 05:43 |
| rm_you | yeah, i use the soft case that came with it ALL THE TIME | 05:43 |
| rm_you | but i just shove it in my pocket :P | 05:43 |
| rm_you | no issues so far with that | 05:44 |
| shack008n | unfortunately it's a bit too big in my pocket | 05:44 |
| rm_you | i have cargo pants <_< i went over this a few days ago, lol | 05:44 |
| shack008n | ah that was you... | 05:45 |
| rm_you | a pocket for cables and GPS puck, a pocket for earbuds and bluetooth keyboard, and a pocket for n800 :P | 05:45 |
| shack008n | yah i remember | 05:45 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:45 |
| rm_you | i hope i don't become "cargo pants guy" :P | 05:45 |
| rm_you | would much rather be "mplayer a2dp video guy" | 05:46 |
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| shack008n | you just kind of declared yourself as such now :p | 05:47 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:47 |
| rm_you | mmm 3 hours of battery on constant bluetooth + video | 05:47 |
| rm_you | not bad | 05:47 |
| shack008n | bt is cheap | 05:48 |
| rm_you | yeah it's mostly the near 100% cpu usable for video + a2dp encoding | 05:48 |
| unique311 | blast07, it should build without any problems. | 05:48 |
| shack008n | i'd like to use only that here since my pc is just 5mt from here | 05:48 |
| blast007 | unique311: yup, it did, now to test it ;) | 05:49 |
| shack008n | i need a decent tool to setup pan first | 05:49 |
| unique311 | i guess when i build quicksynergy for os2008, i'll also include synergy with it. | 05:49 |
| rm_you | heh | 05:49 |
| rm_you | i kinda wonder if networking over bluetooth works | 05:49 |
| rm_you | that would be cool, cause i don't have a wireless router all the time, but i always have my other tablet, which has wired and bluetooth | 05:50 |
| unique311 | blast007, quicksynergy is a gui frontend for synergy. | 05:50 |
| blast007 | ah | 05:50 |
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| rm_you | anyone know how to check my n800's cpu speed? | 06:04 |
| rm_you | /proc/cpuinfo doesn't seem to have that info for some reason <_< | 06:04 |
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| shack008n | rm_you: if you tell me how to paste a line of text from gmail i can tell you | 06:09 |
| rm_you | :( | 06:10 |
| rm_you | function -> copy? | 06:10 |
| rm_you | the little button on the bottom left | 06:10 |
| shack008n | yeah but the message itself is not editable, so no vkbd | 06:11 |
| shack008n | anyway, | 06:11 |
| shack008n | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq | 06:11 |
| rm_you | tap and hold for the alt-menu? | 06:12 |
| shack008n | and pasting deosn't fucking work in ssh, grrrr | 06:12 |
| rm_you | ? it doesnt? | 06:13 |
| shack008n | not here (2008beta) | 06:13 |
| rm_you | >_> | 06:14 |
| rm_you | still running beta? | 06:14 |
| shack008n | heh, waiting for the repos to get back | 06:14 |
| rm_you | just do the quick fix | 06:14 |
| rm_you | echo 62.61.85.32 repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts | 06:15 |
| shack008n | yeah, i know | 06:16 |
| shack008n | does restore actually work btw? | 06:16 |
| rm_you | never tried it myself | 06:16 |
| rm_you | i just copy my user folder onto an SD | 06:17 |
| shack008n | reinstalling everything would really screw me off | 06:17 |
| rm_you | eh | 06:17 |
| rm_you | it's not too bad... | 06:17 |
| Fang64 | I take it nokia isn't bad from vacation? | 06:17 |
| rm_you | you could always try it, and report back :P | 06:17 |
| Fang64 | back* | 06:17 |
| Fang64 | lol | 06:17 |
| rm_you | and if it doesn't, just reflash again | 06:17 |
| rm_you | Fang64: apparently not >_> kinda ridiculous | 06:17 |
| shack008n | yeah, they sold so many units for xmas and now most of those people can't do anything with them | 06:18 |
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| Blafasel | I really don't understand the Nokia product page(s). Where am I supposed to see if the N810 supports 3G/UMTS? | 10:40 |
| tsavola | you're supposed to know that a priori | 10:41 |
| tsavola | (it doesn't support those) | 10:41 |
| Blafasel | Okay, I'm more and more clueless, obviously. I partly blame that on the fact that I found out about the device mere days ago.. ;) Right now it seems that the device isn't a phone at all (again, the Nokia pages suck here) or only for GSM at best? | 10:44 |
| onion | Blafasel: it's not a phone so no GSM, 3G, etc... | 10:45 |
| onion | Blafasel: you can connect with wlan or with a bluetooth enabled phone | 10:46 |
| Blafasel | Thanks for pointing that out. So the only "phone" like capabilities are the skype/gtalk etc. software solutions? Sad. | 10:46 |
| tsavola | yep | 10:46 |
| Blafasel | onion: Naa.. Defies the whole purpose. ;) I do have a decent 3G phone, carrying both makes no sense. Thanks a lot. | 10:47 |
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| onion | Blafasel: it's not supposed to be a phone.. more a "portable web browser" or Internet tablet :) | 10:49 |
| tsavola | that's just a bad excuse for the missing gsm chip :) | 10:49 |
| ptman | I'm confident that the gsm chip will come | 10:50 |
| ptman | Nokia just wants to make a stable platform first | 10:50 |
| Blafasel | Sad. =( | 10:51 |
| onion | why? | 10:51 |
| ptman | why make a stable platform? | 10:51 |
| onion | haven't seen anyone complaining that the asus eee is not a phone | 10:51 |
| Blafasel | Because the way it is it's just a supersized PDA? | 10:52 |
| Blafasel | Sure, it has its uses. It's just not what I expected/want. | 10:52 |
| tsavola | ptman: including gsm chip in the first hardware versions and developing a stable platform are not mutually exclusive things | 10:52 |
| truls | can't please everyone | 10:52 |
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| desrt | is there a pymaemo channel? | 10:53 |
| sibbe | devices with gsm chips have more strict regulations i guess.. for example, if it's a phone you must be able to make emergency calls with it. so no "hackability" / open source in that part of hardware/software... | 10:55 |
| Blafasel | What about the openmoko/green phone stuff? | 10:56 |
| legind | Blafasel, it's supposed to be open to the core, with the sole exception being the GPS module | 11:01 |
| legind | which they are legally obliged to make closed source | 11:01 |
| Blafasel | Yep, I know about that regulations (similar stuff applies for wifi as well, afaik), just wanted to break the "Hard to combine with OS stuff" argument. | 11:03 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning and happy new year | 11:10 |
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| hahlo | how bot tells about becomeroot? info | 11:26 |
| djcb | hahlo, sudo gainroot | 11:26 |
| hahlo | ok thanks | 11:27 |
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| * jeddy3 just got flatrate 3g, and is enjoying the n800 even more than before | 11:34 | |
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| jeddy3 | jabber->msn/icq gateways rocks | 11:36 |
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| Blafasel | Yep, I'm running one as well ;) | 11:48 |
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| wald0 | there's a abiword available for chinook ? | 11:54 |
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| hahlo | infobot: becomeroot | 12:05 |
| hahlo | infobot: !becomeroot | 12:05 |
| hahlo | !becomeroot | 12:06 |
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| sikor_sxe | hello | 12:15 |
| sikor_sxe | when i use the hildon file chooser dialog, my app crashes with "GLIB ERROR ** GLib - The thread system is not yet initialized. | 12:15 |
| sikor_sxe | aborting..." | 12:15 |
| sikor_sxe | what could be the reason for this behaviour | 12:16 |
| sikor_sxe | ? | 12:16 |
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| inz | sikor, you haven't called g_thread_init() and the file chooser dialog wants to use threads | 12:17 |
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| sikor_sxe | weird | 12:20 |
| sikor_sxe | i didn't spot this is the tutorial | 12:20 |
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| jeddy3 | has anyone experienced with ad-54 (n85/n95 headset) with n800/n810? | 12:25 |
| * jeddy3 is interested if there is anyway to make the playback control remote keys to work | 12:26 | |
| sikor_sxe | i would be surprised if they would work out of the box | 12:27 |
| sikor_sxe | n95 is symbian | 12:27 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, they don't work ootb :) | 12:27 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, well, the sound works but not keys | 12:27 |
| sikor_sxe | when you open osso-xterm | 12:28 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, it does not give any kernel messages | 12:29 |
| sikor_sxe | ah ok | 12:29 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, but included headset doensn't either so | 12:29 |
| sikor_sxe | oh | 12:30 |
| sikor_sxe | haha | 12:30 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, the thing is...in os2007 the included one DID (don't now about ad-54), so what i was wondering about was if anyone knows where included headset gives feedback | 12:30 |
| sikor_sxe | i just saw the button on the headphones | 12:30 |
| jeddy3 | ;D | 12:30 |
| sikor_sxe | what effect does the button have actually? | 12:32 |
| sikor_sxe | i just plugged them in and it seems to have no effect (at least on vegalume) | 12:33 |
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| jeddy3 | should answer skype/SIP calls etc | 12:33 |
| sikor_sxe | ahh | 12:33 |
| sikor_sxe | (i'm not the kind of guy listening to mp3s on his phone :) ) | 12:33 |
| jeddy3 | would be sweet if it would generate event to bind (and supersweet if ad-54 with all it's buttons would generate different events) :) | 12:34 |
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| sikor_sxe | here it generates a kernel message when the headphones are plugged in | 12:35 |
| tsavola | i bet it generates a d-bus event | 12:35 |
| sikor_sxe | i think so too | 12:35 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, os2007? | 12:35 |
| sikor_sxe | nope os2008 | 12:36 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, hmm | 12:36 |
| sikor_sxe | if maemo was consequently implemented by nokia (and this my impression so far) then the headphones would be interfaced with HAL | 12:37 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, you get feedback in dmesg? what does it say? | 12:38 |
| sikor_sxe | not from the button | 12:39 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, ah | 12:39 |
| * jeddy3 reads correctly | 12:39 | |
| sikor_sxe | "headphone (GPIO 107) is now connected | 12:39 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, yes, it does that for me too, in os2007 i also got message about button press | 12:40 |
| jeddy3 | how would one get feedback from HAL/d-bus? | 12:41 |
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| sikor_sxe | hmm | 12:46 |
| sikor_sxe | i did a hal-device | grep headphone | 12:46 |
| sikor_sxe | there is /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/headphone | 12:46 |
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| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, nod, but that only gives if it's connected or not :) | 12:47 |
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| sikor_sxe | gpio-switch? | 12:48 |
| sikor_sxe | isn't this related to the button? | 12:48 |
| sikor_sxe | the button being the only thing which is of interest to the OS | 12:49 |
| jeddy3 | sikor_sxe, i think this is related to connection-status...the system wants to know if sound should be in speakers or not | 12:51 |
| sikor_sxe | that's not os functionality i think | 12:52 |
| sikor_sxe | usually this is plain hardware | 12:52 |
| sikor_sxe | 1 sec | 12:53 |
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| sikor_sxe | no | 12:54 |
| sikor_sxe | i'm wrong | 12:54 |
| sikor_sxe | common headphones do trigger kernel messages aswell | 12:55 |
| sikor_sxe | this is specific to the n800 then | 12:55 |
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| sikor_sxe | inz: i did include "g_thread_init(NULL);" call, now the app crashes when opening the hildon file chooser dialog with: " D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up;" | 13:00 |
| sikor_sxe | this is in scratchbox | 13:00 |
| inz | Hmm, then you might need run-standalnoe | 13:02 |
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| sikor_sxe | ah, i just did | 13:04 |
| sikor_sxe | now at least it crashes without any error message :) | 13:04 |
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| sikor_sxe | actually with run standalone it crashes even with the gtk dialog :| | 13:06 |
| sikor_sxe | the app runs on the n800 however | 13:07 |
| sikor_sxe | what does run-standalone do? | 13:07 |
| kulve | sets up environment variables | 13:09 |
| kulve | like gtk theme and dbus stuff | 13:09 |
| sikor_sxe | yeah i just checked | 13:11 |
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| sikor_sxe | could the problem be that i'm developing directly in armel target? | 13:11 |
| kulve | I just SB just for compiling. Then I copy the stuff to the device (with scp) and run it there (over ssh) | 13:13 |
| kulve | I just use SB.. | 13:13 |
| sikor_sxe | oh | 13:13 |
| inz | qemu is far from perfect, so if you want to test on PC, use i386 target | 13:14 |
| dpb_ | use the x86 target if you want to develop just with scratchbox, that's why the x86 target is there.. | 13:14 |
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| sikor_sxe | i see | 13:15 |
| sikor_sxe | kulve's solution seems quite sophisticated to me | 13:15 |
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| dpb_ | yeah, but not everyone has devices | 13:16 |
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| sikor_sxe | kulve: i got openssh-server installed, what user login do you use? | 13:17 |
| kulve | root | 13:18 |
| sikor_sxe | oh | 13:18 |
| jeddy3 | ok, so i get dbus-signals on pressing button on included headset, but nothing with hs-54 :/ | 13:18 |
| kulve | but maybe it would be more secure to use the "user" user.. | 13:18 |
| Veggen | I always log in as "user". | 13:18 |
| Veggen | old habits. | 13:18 |
| sikor_sxe | does it have a password? | 13:18 |
| kulve | sikor_sxe: root has | 13:19 |
| kulve | user doesn't | 13:19 |
| sikor_sxe | :O | 13:19 |
| Veggen | ..but you can set one. | 13:19 |
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| sikor_sxe | so with openssh-server installed, my n800 is practically exposed to everyone in the network | 13:19 |
| sikor_sxe | ? | 13:19 |
| kulve | sikor_sxe: the openssh server package sets a new root passwd nowadays | 13:19 |
| kulve | sikor_sxe: well, you can't login as root using the ssh anymore unless the device is in R&D mode or you use ssh keys | 13:20 |
| timeless | kulve: you've seen capture-root, right? | 13:23 |
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| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb | 13:23 |
| kulve | timeless: right | 13:24 |
| * timeless goes back to not understanding web sites | 13:24 | |
| sikor_sxe | ahem | 13:25 |
| sikor_sxe | how do i get the ip of my n800 :] | 13:25 |
| sikor_sxe | ? | 13:25 |
| jumpula | /sbin/ifconfig | 13:25 |
| timeless | connection manager (next to control panel) | 13:25 |
| timeless | app menu, first submenu, last menuitem | 13:25 |
| timeless | or something like that | 13:25 |
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| sikor_sxe | ah ifconfig isn't in user path | 13:26 |
| timeless | /sbin/ isn't | 13:26 |
| timeless | the s means superuser or something | 13:26 |
| kulve | neither is /usr/sbin | 13:26 |
| jumpula | you have to be root for those to be in path | 13:27 |
| sikor_sxe | yeah | 13:27 |
| kulve | I've always thinked those are for System binaries.. | 13:27 |
| sikor_sxe | sometimes ifconfig is symlinked in /usr/bin | 13:27 |
| kulve | daemons etc that a normal user doesn't need to know | 13:27 |
| timeless | kulve: that's the difference between / and /usr :) | 13:27 |
| timeless | s is some sort of super :) | 13:27 |
| jumpula | like gasoline in germany | 13:28 |
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| timeless | http://kerneltrap.org/node/1628 | 13:28 |
| timeless | claims it's "system & admin utilities" | 13:28 |
| sikor_sxe | well, shh user@n800 wants a password | 13:29 |
| sikor_sxe | should i set a password on the n800? | 13:29 |
| timeless | sikor_sxe: you'd need to set one | 13:29 |
| sikor_sxe | ah k | 13:29 |
| timeless | personally, i ssh root@device | 13:29 |
| timeless | then su user | 13:29 |
| timeless | you could add an ssh key for user | 13:30 |
| timeless | that should work | 13:30 |
| Veggen | timeless: I always ssh in as user, then use sudo. | 13:30 |
| sikor_sxe | "the password for user cannot be changed." | 13:30 |
| Veggen | (if I need to, as on any Linux-box) | 13:30 |
| timeless | lol | 13:30 |
| Veggen | can not? | 13:30 |
| Veggen | you'll probably need to do it as root. | 13:30 |
| sikor_sxe | well... i don't want to fuck up things | 13:31 |
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| timeless | use an ssh key | 13:31 |
| sikor_sxe | true | 13:31 |
| Veggen | doesn't seem to fuck up things to set up a passwd for user. | 13:32 |
| timeless | passwords are too risky :) | 13:33 |
| Veggen | And I can't see why it should. | 13:33 |
| dpb_ | Internet is too risky, don't network the device. | 13:33 |
| timeless | dpb: yeah, too bad the device auto networks :) | 13:33 |
| yy-YY | G night:P | 13:33 |
| * timeless sighs | 13:33 | |
| dpb_ | Doesn't if you don't setup the network | 13:34 |
| dpb_ | :P | 13:34 |
| timeless | Internal error. Application '...' closed. | 13:34 |
| timeless | dpb: walking around can cause that problem :) | 13:34 |
| yy-YY | :P | 13:34 |
| sikor_sxe | great, ssh-key worked | 13:35 |
| sikor_sxe | what is the standard root password openssh-server sets? | 13:37 |
| timeless | sikor: you can't use it | 13:37 |
| timeless | install capture-root (see link above) | 13:37 |
| timeless | it'll copy the key you have for user to root so you can ssh to root | 13:37 |
| timeless | sikor: otherwise you need to enable r&d mode | 13:38 |
| sikor_sxe | ah, ok. so i don't have to worry | 13:38 |
| timeless | i'm assuming that it's a pam feature | 13:38 |
| * timeless hasn't actually asked someone how it was implemented, but pam would make sense | 13:38 | |
| sikor_sxe | chinook seems to have problems displaying the gtk-toolbar | 13:40 |
| sikor_sxe | i noticed this is other applications yet | 13:40 |
| sikor_sxe | it might be a widget-style issue | 13:41 |
| sikor_sxe | when i click on gtk toolbar buttons the blue shivering is somehow misplaced. it's smaller than the button and thus there are 1.5 blue buttons on 1 button | 13:42 |
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| sikor_sxe | did anyone notice this yet? | 13:43 |
| sikor_sxe | i'll take a screenshot | 13:43 |
| billyb11 | should the "Browse Installable Applications" process work in scratchbox? Did I screw up the scratchbox install? | 13:44 |
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| sikor_sxe | http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4889/bildschirmfoto1dz0.png | 13:49 |
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| mgedmin | funny bug: in OS2008, when the keyboard is locked, you can still open the Tasks menu | 13:53 |
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| sikor_sxe | it seems hildon has problems with "gtk_toolbar_set_style (GTK_TOOLBAR (toolbar1), GTK_TOOLBAR_BOTH)" | 13:54 |
| sikor_sxe | if there is no text written on the buttons, everything seems to be fine | 13:55 |
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| Blafasel | Some more (probably stupid) questions: If you combine the N810 with a phone, how good does is the phone support? Does it support calling directly from the N810? Are there applets for text messages, managing contacts, syncing? | 13:57 |
| glass_ | dialup functionality is good... otherwise not really, i'd think | 13:58 |
| glass_ | dunno if somebodys ported gnokii and such | 13:58 |
| dpb_ | you can exchange files too | 13:58 |
| kulve | yeah, gnokii is there | 13:58 |
| glass_ | yeah obexftp | 13:58 |
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| kulve | I've quickly tested cellphonetool (or something like that) and I could send nicely sms from it | 13:59 |
| glass_ | depends on what the phone is obviously too | 13:59 |
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| Blafasel | Hmm.. I can get the N810 for 70 Euro (subsidy has its good sides) or go for (and wait for) the openmoko phone. But the N810 looks really great, apart from the missing gsm stuff.. Hmpf. | 14:04 |
| Blafasel | Last dumb question of the day: Is there useable support for java (or j2me or whatever) or even better mono for maemo? | 14:04 |
| glass_ | 70e for n810?? | 14:04 |
| glass_ | i think theres some mono efforts | 14:05 |
| glass_ | and some java.. not sure of there being a really finished j2me vm tho | 14:05 |
| glass_ | pythons pretty popular | 14:05 |
| Blafasel | Naa.. Cannot stand it and I'm asking for private projects, not 3rd party stuff ;) | 14:06 |
| Blafasel | Yep, 70e (but with a contract renewal) | 14:06 |
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| glass_ | what other choices would you have? | 14:07 |
| Blafasel | What do you mean? | 14:08 |
| Blafasel | In terms of other phones? | 14:09 |
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| dpb_ | "other" phones. N8X0 isn't a phone.. :) | 14:10 |
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| glass_ | billyb11: in terms of what other devices you could get | 14:11 |
| glass_ | dsjfod | 14:11 |
| glass_ | Blafasel: that is | 14:11 |
| Blafasel | dpb_: Yep, sad enough. ;) | 14:11 |
| glass_ | just trying to judge if 70e is cheap, thats all | 14:11 |
| Blafasel | glass_: Uhm - probably everything? I'm not limited to what my service provider offers, I can use 3rd party shops. I do want a linux based device, though | 14:12 |
| glass_ | Blafasel: just meaning that if you could get a n95 for 70e, then the 810 for 70e wouldn't be cheap, if the other contract attributes stayed the same | 14:13 |
| glass_ | Blafasel: you don't have much choices in the linux(that is exposed to user) + mobile phone combo category | 14:13 |
| Blafasel | glass_: The n95 (8GB version) would cost 270.. ;) | 14:13 |
| glass_ | openmoko and thats about it | 14:13 |
| glass_ | Blafasel: that sounds about right, if n810 was 70 | 14:14 |
| Blafasel | glass_: The discontinued/dead greenphone as well. And some motorola phones are linux based and somewhat hackable | 14:14 |
| glass_ | yeah greenphone but i didn't count it as it's discontinued | 14:14 |
| glass_ | i didn't count the motos | 14:14 |
| glass_ | not really that available or hackable | 14:14 |
| Blafasel | glass_: Why? Do you think that's a bad price? I payed about the same for my K800i 1,5 years ago. | 14:14 |
| glass_ | Blafasel: it's about market price probably | 14:14 |
| glass_ | Blafasel: i dunno the exacts of your contract of course | 14:15 |
| glass_ | Blafasel: but n95 8gb should be 200-300e more than n810, i think | 14:15 |
| Blafasel | Well, I don't like the symbian stuff, so that's no option (and too pricey for too little benefits from my pov/for my usecases). | 14:18 |
| glass_ | was just thinking if you could sell the n810 for more than it probably costs you in reality through the contract | 14:19 |
| glass_ | in that case you could have just gotten it and played around with it and sell it off | 14:19 |
| glass_ | if it doesn't suit you | 14:19 |
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| glass_ | obviously there can't be any simlocks or such in a non phone device | 14:19 |
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| Blafasel | Not a bad idea.. | 14:24 |
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| Blafasel | Okay, count me in. ;) Just ordered the beast. | 14:29 |
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| glass_ | hehe | 14:31 |
| glass_ | have fun with it | 14:31 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 14:31 |
| glass_ | i still just have a 770 | 14:31 |
| Blafasel | glass_: That is without a keyboard, more like the 800, right? | 14:32 |
| glass_ | yeah | 14:32 |
| glass_ | the first model | 14:32 |
| Tepa^^^ | Does anyone know is there x-chat port coming to os2008? | 14:32 |
| Khertan | there is one x-chat version in os2008 repository | 14:33 |
| Khertan | i haven't tryed it ... | 14:33 |
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| Tepa^^^ | Khertan: what repository I have to add to find it? There is no such at moment in my device | 14:38 |
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| Khertan | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | 14:41 |
| Khertan | there is a search box | 14:41 |
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| Tepa^^^ | thanks | 14:46 |
| DaniloCesar | Tepa^^^, I used a hildonise x-chat for os2007, but I think that works in 2008 too. | 14:47 |
| Tepa^^^ | I'll try it later today. Now I have to go... | 14:50 |
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| yy-YY | excuse me:P | 15:29 |
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| hahlo | timeless: how did you get that info from becomeroot one day? | 15:32 |
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| Zic | I've just installed a scratchbox with the chinook SDK ... But after run it in Xephyr I can't install more application with Software Tools ... | 15:35 |
| Zic | idea ? | 15:36 |
| Zic | repositories are ok, I think | 15:36 |
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| drwx | hi! do you know a way to talkwith a friend between a pc (linux or windows) and the N800 with webcam? | 15:42 |
| drwx | or is it only possible with 2 N800 | 15:42 |
| drwx | ? | 15:42 |
| Blafasel | ekiga, perhaps? | 15:42 |
| drwx | ekiga is not ready on N800 | 15:43 |
| shackan | gizmo | 15:43 |
| drwx | gizmo works with cam? | 15:43 |
| sikor_sxe | Zic: you have to use apt-get on the console | 15:44 |
| mardi_ | Gizmo works N800 < PC | 15:44 |
| drwx | with cam? | 15:44 |
| shackan | drwx: I've been told so | 15:45 |
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| drwx | I'm trying it | 15:45 |
| timeless | gizmo version 4 (beta) on windows | 15:46 |
| timeless | versions <4 don't support video | 15:46 |
| drwx | gizmo on N800 has got cam? and linux? | 15:46 |
| drwx | it's ok for N800 | 15:47 |
| timeless | last i checked there was no gizmo 4 (beta or otherwise) for linux (excluding itos for which they did release one...) | 15:47 |
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| timeless | so n800, n810, windows, but not random linux :) | 15:47 |
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| drwx | so I reboot on windows to try it! thank you | 15:52 |
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| sk | morning | 16:29 |
| sk | kismet on the n770 is pretty cool | 16:29 |
| sk | works pretty good too | 16:29 |
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| Khertan | bye | 16:30 |
| sk | later | 16:30 |
| eber_ | do anybody knows where i could find python-osso for os2008 ? | 16:31 |
| eber_ | "python abook" sorry (i mistyped) | 16:31 |
| eber_ | i don't want to write c code just to import my address book (yuk :p) | 16:34 |
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| Dist | eber_: I think stage repository has python on it | 16:36 |
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| eber_ | what's stage repository ? | 16:37 |
| shackan | stage.maemo.org | 16:37 |
| eber_ | i'm using python from maemo repository, but it doesn't include python-abook | 16:37 |
| eber_ | thanks | 16:38 |
| eber_ | oh, i've already configured repositories from this page | 16:38 |
| Dist | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 <- also "Temp fix for broken Chinook" and "Temp fix for broken Chinook Extras" | 16:38 |
| eber_ | are the repo still broken ? | 16:39 |
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| eber_ | i installed everything with this fix | 16:41 |
| Tak | unique311: ping | 16:42 |
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| eber_ | i think people making python packages forgot this one for the 2008 release | 16:43 |
| luck^ | hi eber_, we have plans to include these missing packages in the next release | 16:44 |
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| luck^ | just waiting to get repository fixed | 16:45 |
| eber_ | when is it scheduled ? | 16:45 |
| luck^ | eber_, I will wait until next week | 16:46 |
| eber_ | ok thanks a lot | 16:47 |
| eber_ | do you know another way to create contact entries easily ? (import function drops categories) | 16:47 |
| eber_ | i think i can live with uncategorized contacts until next week :-) | 16:48 |
| luck^ | eber_ :( no.. lauro moura was working with python-abook bindings | 16:48 |
| luck^ | eber_, ok :) | 16:49 |
| eber_ | contact application is a bit slow with 1K contacts :) | 16:55 |
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| Zic | <sikor_sxe> Zic: you have to use apt-get on the console <= sorry, I'm late, but thanks to you ;) | 16:58 |
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| lardman | morning | 17:12 |
| Tak | bonjour! | 17:13 |
| lardman | Full of the joys of the New Year? :) | 17:13 |
| disq | hey Tak! :) | 17:13 |
| Tak | howdy | 17:15 |
| Tak | yeah, the joys of going back to work after a 10-day vacation ;-) | 17:16 |
| disq | :) | 17:16 |
| lardman | dare I ask if there's any news on the discount codes....? | 17:16 |
| giskard | i don't know | 17:17 |
| giskard | but i would be happy hear something from nokia | 17:17 |
| lardman | same here | 17:17 |
| * Tak hear no evil, etc. | 17:18 | |
| Veggen | Tak: mmm, my motivation isn't fully restored, yet. | 17:19 |
| Veggen | I need a fun project to participate in. | 17:19 |
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| lardman | I can offer you debugging either an mp3 or vorbis dsp task | 17:19 |
| Veggen | Tak: I had a fun job lined up. Had resigned for my job. Had three days left of my resignation period - when the new company went broke. | 17:19 |
| Veggen | Kind of demotivates you a little ;) | 17:19 |
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| Veggen | So I retracted the resignation, and continued at the old job. | 17:20 |
| Veggen | Which isn't a bad job, but the new one was gonna be more fun. | 17:21 |
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| Tak | vegai: wow, that sucks | 17:22 |
| Robot101 | Veggen: well, at least they let you stay | 17:23 |
| Tak | err, Veggen also | 17:23 |
| Tak | my job isn't fun enough to inspire me to heights of self-motivation | 17:24 |
| Veggen | Tak: No, I have the same problems. I need technically challenging projects, but without that, the non-project parts aren't all that fun. | 17:25 |
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| Veggen | Tak: So ideally, if I can fill my time with projects 100% of the time, it's great fun. | 17:25 |
| sikor_sxe | how can i tell wheter a gtk window is in fullscreen mode? | 17:25 |
| sikor_sxe | in c | 17:25 |
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| Tak | You can't. | 17:33 |
| lardman | can't you get the horiz and vertical size of the window and look at that? | 17:34 |
| Tak | window could be maximized without being in fullscreen mode (in a non-maemo context) | 17:35 |
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| sikor_sxe | pheeew | 17:36 |
| sikor_sxe | gtk coding is the worst, at least in c | 17:37 |
| sikor_sxe | in qt: setWindowState(windowState() ^ Qt::WindowFullScreen); | 17:38 |
| Tak | meh - at least you don't need a precompiler for gtk code | 17:38 |
| sk | why don't you use python for gtk? | 17:38 |
| sikor_sxe | i am porting an application | 17:38 |
| sk | word | 17:38 |
| sikor_sxe | i'm not the c guy, i've always been using oop languages | 17:40 |
| derf | sikor_sxe: gdk_window_get_state()&GDK_WINDOW_STATE_FULLSCREEN | 17:41 |
| sikor_sxe | tada! | 17:41 |
| sikor_sxe | thanks | 17:41 |
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| sk | word, i do a little c here and there | 17:41 |
| sk | not much anymore | 17:41 |
| sikor_sxe | i really hope there will be some qt integration with hildon | 17:42 |
| Tak | wow - the doc for gtk_window_fullscreen says there's no way to get it | 17:42 |
| sikor_sxe | yeah | 17:42 |
| sikor_sxe | talks about fetching some event | 17:42 |
| Tak | fuck, qt is a bloated pile of steaming vomit that nokia was wise to avoid | 17:42 |
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| sk | haha | 17:43 |
| sikor_sxe | wow | 17:44 |
| * Tak not opinionated or anything | 17:44 | |
| sikor_sxe | i mean there are certainly reasons why nokia avoided qt | 17:44 |
| sikor_sxe | but it's a good toolkit | 17:44 |
| jumpula | the licence probably being the foremost | 17:45 |
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| sikor_sxe | i had the first qt4 app running on my n800 in 15 minutes | 17:45 |
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| sikor_sxe | and that included learning the qmake utility | 17:45 |
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| sikor_sxe | jumpula: afaik qt is plain gpl | 17:46 |
| sikor_sxe | you can buy a commercial license, tho | 17:46 |
| Tak | lgpl is an attractive license for this kind of product | 17:47 |
| truls | sikor_sxe: how does it integrate into haldon? and are there py-bindings for n800? | 17:48 |
| sikor_sxe | well, the apps looked quite native. i think the problem is the keyboard here | 17:48 |
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| sikor_sxe | and there are python buildings, yes | 17:49 |
| sikor_sxe | i have the impression that python is the preferred language for maemo development right now | 17:49 |
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| jumpula | sikor_sxe: yes, but the problem is that if you want to publish closed-source software which is using qt, you'll need a licence for that | 17:51 |
| sikor_sxe | true | 17:51 |
| jumpula | and that is probably (just guessing here) the main reason | 17:51 |
| Zic | sikor_sxe: does exist a package which install a default set of packages are by default in OS2008 ? | 17:53 |
| Zic | (my english is poor, I know ;)) | 17:53 |
| jumpula | and it's not just about that whether n wants/doesn't want to keep things open | 17:53 |
| jumpula | there are things like skype, etc.. | 17:53 |
| sikor_sxe | which uses qt afaik | 17:54 |
| jumpula | yeah, but, again, you'll need the licence :) | 17:54 |
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| jumpula | trolltech's skype client can hardly be an example, because trolltech is the company you should get the licence from | 17:55 |
| jumpula | so yeah, they have their own closed-source skype :) | 17:55 |
| zoran | recall their green phone? | 17:55 |
| sikor_sxe | Zic: you installed maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh and maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0.sh in scratchbox? | 17:56 |
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| Zic | sibbe: yes | 17:56 |
| jumpula | greenphone is trolltech also | 17:56 |
| Zic | heh | 17:56 |
| Zic | sikor_sxe: yes | 17:56 |
| zoran | jumpula, they dumped green phone | 17:56 |
| jumpula | i know | 17:56 |
| jumpula | i don't know if it had any skype client | 17:57 |
| zoran | none knows why | 17:57 |
| sikor_sxe | Zic: the rest of the packages you should install the the debian way. apt-get install, etc... | 17:57 |
| zoran | openmoko could have | 17:57 |
| jumpula | if they get the licence | 17:57 |
| Zic | sikor_sxe: When I run Xephyr, I have only Hello World, Configuration/Package Tools installed by default after running SDK scripts | 17:57 |
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| Zic | sikor_sxe: no meta-package exist ? | 17:57 |
| sikor_sxe | Zic: yes. so do i | 17:57 |
| jumpula | or qt turns magically lgpl or something.. | 17:58 |
| sikor_sxe | i don't know about qtopia, if it's any good | 17:58 |
| sikor_sxe | i am very content with the current maemo framework | 17:58 |
| sikor_sxe | i just don't like coding in gtk/c | 17:59 |
| sikor_sxe | mono could be good | 17:59 |
| zoran | heh | 17:59 |
| sikor_sxe | i wrote some stuff in mono-gtk, that was quite pleasant | 18:00 |
| Tak | meh, the problem is that the device isn't powerful enough to handle a high-level framework like ruby/python/mono gracefully | 18:00 |
| zoran | licence is what should worry about | 18:00 |
| sikor_sxe | i have yet to check out gtkmm | 18:00 |
| sikor_sxe | Tak: yeah, that's why qt would be cool | 18:00 |
| Tak | I advise you to check out gtkmm, in that case | 18:01 |
| sikor_sxe | because it allows rapid development and speed | 18:01 |
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| Tak | gtk development is super-rapid, even in C | 18:01 |
| Tak | 1) Whip up the interface using glade | 18:01 |
| sikor_sxe | maybe with glade and stuff | 18:01 |
| Tak | 2) Write a few callbacks | 18:01 |
| Tak | 3) Drink beer | 18:02 |
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| sk | hah | 18:03 |
| lardman | I think 3,1,2 might work better | 18:03 |
| Tak | 313233 | 18:04 |
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| Zic | Canola 2 is written in Python, isnt'it ? | 18:05 |
| sikor_sxe | dang, i don't get this fullscreen toggle to work :? | 18:05 |
| Zic | I think it's the only one software I'm running in Python on my N800 :] | 18:05 |
| sikor_sxe | obfuscated python then | 18:06 |
| zoran | python is worth for more backend jobs | 18:06 |
| Zic | true :) | 18:06 |
| zoran | perl also | 18:07 |
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| sikor_sxe | unfullscreen doesn't work, because: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gdk - gdk_window_get_state: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed | 18:09 |
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| Tak | paste the code at rafb.net/paste ? | 18:10 |
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| zoran | Tak, does rafb.net work with js and cookies? | 18:11 |
| sikor_sxe | http://rafb.net/p/LhrjzP62.html | 18:12 |
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| sikor_sxe | works for fullscreen, but not for unfullscreening | 18:13 |
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| * Tak shrugs @ zoran | 18:14 | |
| Blafasel | sikor_sxe: Well, the assertion seems to think that you're passing the wrong stuff. Is window really a window? ;) | 18:15 |
| sikor_sxe | it seems like "gdk_window_get_state(window) & GDK_WINDOW_STATE_FULLSCREEN" is always 0 | 18:15 |
| sikor_sxe | yeah, it's not the assertion | 18:15 |
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| Blafasel | sikor_sxe: No, gdk_window_get_state(window) fails according to your paste | 18:15 |
| sikor_sxe | ah, ok | 18:16 |
| sikor_sxe | failing means returning 0 then i guess | 18:16 |
| Blafasel | Possible. Check the docs for that method and double-check what you're passing in (or try to find out what GDK_IS_WINDOW expects/checks) | 18:17 |
| sikor_sxe | well it is an window, i am fullscreening it :) | 18:18 |
| Blafasel | Hrmpf. Damn you, online shop. The offer said "Shipping the N810 in 2-3 days", the confirmation mail says 1-2 weeks. | 18:18 |
| Tak | GDK_WINDOW(window) ? | 18:19 |
| sk | Blafasel : where'd you order from? | 18:19 |
| derf | sikor_sxe: Uh, a gtk_window is not a gdk_window. | 18:20 |
| Blafasel | sk: German reseller | 18:20 |
| sk | ah word | 18:20 |
| sikor_sxe | so, how do i implement a frigging fullscreen-toggle then? | 18:21 |
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| derf | GtkWidget.window is the GdkWindow associated with a widget (if it has been realized). | 18:23 |
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| sk | can you just call fullscreen( )? | 18:24 |
| sk | nope | 18:24 |
| sk | that's c++ | 18:25 |
| sk | nevermind | 18:25 |
| sikor_sxe | well, i get a picture slowly | 18:25 |
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| rm_you | morning :) | 18:25 |
| * rm_you yawns | 18:26 | |
| sk | http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=+gtk+fullscreen+toggle+show:jukaPU-wihE:-bNh_ItSUWg:efW08DLvwrM&sa=N&cd=6&ct=rc&cs_p=http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/gthumb-2.6.9.tar.gz&cs_f=gthumb-2.6.9/src/fullscreen.c#first | 18:26 |
| sk | not sure if that can help | 18:27 |
| sk | but there is a lot of sample code | 18:27 |
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| VimS | Happy New Year | 18:30 |
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| Zic | VimS: Happy Gnu Year too | 18:33 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 18:49 |
| bedboi | i suppose there's no news about discount codes | 18:49 |
| rm_you | what's the deal with that? | 18:50 |
| rm_you | a couple people have asked about them | 18:50 |
| rm_you | what discount codes? | 18:50 |
| wnd | n810-for-100-euro-or-equivalent-in-your-money kind of discount code I suppose | 18:51 |
| bedboi | yep | 18:51 |
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| rm_you | wtf? | 18:51 |
| rm_you | that's kinda crazy | 18:51 |
| rm_you | for developers? or everyone? | 18:51 |
| bedboi | crazy? it's cool actually | 18:51 |
| rm_you | yes... crazy cool ;P | 18:52 |
| Tak | wnd: if they wait much longer, 100E is going to be more than the regular price in USD ;-) | 18:52 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:52 |
| wnd | Tak, yeah, I think you're right :-) | 18:52 |
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| wnd | rm_you, http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1192708879.html | 18:54 |
| rm_you | ah, thanks | 18:54 |
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| giskard | yes but no answer has been given | 18:58 |
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| Segnale007 | Hi guys | 18:58 |
| Segnale007 | I have a question | 18:58 |
| Tak | You do? | 18:58 |
| Segnale007 | I have an modem/router locked from my ISP | 18:59 |
| Segnale007 | and it allow a pppoe conncection only | 18:59 |
| Segnale007 | How I can set up my wifi connection with my n800 and os2008 ? | 18:59 |
| Segnale007 | it need a autorization pppow | 19:00 |
| Segnale007 | *pppoe | 19:00 |
| Tak | anybody have an opinion on C api for reading .zip files? | 19:00 |
| Segnale007 | anyone know something and can help me to solve this ? | 19:00 |
| |R | qgil has update a comment in the blog... they're having trouble with some stores | 19:02 |
| |R | go figure... | 19:02 |
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| derf | |R: Link? | 19:05 |
| |R | http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/12/15/the-n810-codes-for-maemo-contributors-next-week/#comment-769 | 19:06 |
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| giskard | |R, thank you | 19:09 |
| Segnale007 | anyone can help me fot set up a ppp connection on os2008 ? | 19:09 |
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| kulve | Segnale007: something else that using the mobile wizard? | 19:28 |
| kulve | than | 19:28 |
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| Segnale007 | I don't found the mobile wizard for ppp wireless connection | 19:30 |
| Segnale007 | :( | 19:30 |
| kulve | sorry, I didn't read the backlog until now | 19:32 |
| kulve | so no ideas for that.. | 19:33 |
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| Tak | nobody, library for zip files? | 19:35 |
| rm_you | errr... libzzip? | 19:36 |
| rm_you | dunno | 19:36 |
| Tak | I'm seeing libzip and libzzip - was wondering if one of those is standard, or if people are doing some hackishness with zlib, or what? | 19:38 |
| Dist | rm_you: libogg libtheora.. where can I get those? | 19:38 |
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| Dist | ssh sucks in tunnels :( | 19:38 |
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| rm_you | Dist: i believe they are in extras or extras-devel | 19:41 |
| rm_you | lemmie look | 19:41 |
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| keesj | Hi an happy new year! | 19:41 |
| sk | happy new year | 19:42 |
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| rm_you | Dist: they are in extras-devel | 19:43 |
| rm_you | Dist: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/libo/libogg/libogg0_1.1.3-2_armel.deb | 19:43 |
| rm_you | Dist: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/libt/libtheora/libtheora0_0.0.0.alpha7.dfsg-1.1_armel.deb | 19:43 |
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| jga23 | is there anyway to get imagemagick on the n810? | 19:48 |
| bedboi | it should be simple to crosscompile it | 19:49 |
| scibot | Is there any info on using pygame at 400x240 or lower resolutions? | 19:49 |
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| scibot | k-s, You there? | 19:53 |
| rm_you | Dist: you get that working? | 19:54 |
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| Dist | rm_you: Just got home, data connection sucked while mobile | 19:55 |
| Dist | I'm testing it now | 19:55 |
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| rm_you | lol | 19:56 |
| bigup | Hello :) | 19:56 |
| scibot | What's the default root password under 2008? | 20:01 |
| Dist | On N810 it was disabled, just install openssh-server and it'll ask for new root password | 20:02 |
| scibot | Also is XSP still valid under N8/10 | 20:04 |
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| Tak | xsp doubling reportedly still works with n810 | 20:04 |
| Dist | XSP? | 20:04 |
| scibot | So it's still the way to go if I need a better frame rate? | 20:04 |
| Tak | IMO yes | 20:05 |
| scibot | Now I just have to figure out how to take advantage of it in python and pygame. =/ | 20:05 |
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| Tak | along with the standard stuff like: don't update the entire screen, just update the relevant area; etc | 20:05 |
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| scibot | I have to update the entire screen for the games I want to do. | 20:06 |
| * Tak nods | 20:07 | |
| Dist | rm_you: I'll try with that extras-devel mplayer version so I'll try to see if there's any difference | 20:07 |
| Tak | same with emulation, for the most part | 20:07 |
| rm_you | kk | 20:07 |
| Dist | Should have been that there's no dropped frames / lag? (bigger buffer?) | 20:07 |
| konttori | rutledge: you around? | 20:07 |
| rm_you | Dist: the change I made is entirely related to alsa audio playback | 20:08 |
| Dist | ok | 20:08 |
| rm_you | the improvement is supposed to be in a2dp playback | 20:08 |
| rm_you | IE, removing skips | 20:09 |
| rm_you | in fact, Serge has pointed out a regression for alsa playback on videos when NOT using a2dp | 20:09 |
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| Dist | erm, I'm swapping 20 megs, just terminal running =D | 20:10 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:11 |
| konttori | is term leaking or something else? | 20:11 |
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| rm_you | konttori: oh, hey | 20:11 |
| rm_you | konttori: so, a2dp is fairly working :P | 20:11 |
| konttori | great! Congrats! | 20:11 |
| konttori | on mplayer? | 20:11 |
| rm_you | konttori: does ukmp support mplayer? | 20:11 |
| rm_you | yes | 20:11 |
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| konttori | Does it take a lot of juice? | 20:11 |
| Dist | hildon-desktop 17MB, osso-xterm 12MB, hildon-input-method 11MB, systemui 10MB | 20:12 |
| konttori | well, it does for videos. | 20:12 |
| rm_you | fairly, but i did a lot of my testing with Kagu, and i am able to play music and scroll through albums and edit playlist without skippage | 20:12 |
| konttori | And... hmm... lemme think... hmm.... hmm.... I could make it use mplayer for audio playback as well pretty easily. | 20:12 |
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| konttori | I'll just need to get a commandline mplayer version for osx | 20:13 |
| rm_you | if you did, all you would need to do is have a bluetooth button like in the old Kagu, and the change it would need to make is switching from "-ao alsa:device=bluetooth" to.. well, not. | 20:13 |
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| rm_you | i would use UKMP as my primary player if not for kagu's mplayer support | 20:14 |
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| rm_you | since it's kind of... well... entirely essential for my use :P | 20:14 |
| konttori | Hmm... tempting... ;) | 20:14 |
| konttori | anyway, should be pretty easy for me to add the support | 20:15 |
| rm_you | i would recommend that anyway | 20:15 |
| rm_you | mplayer support is always nice to have :) | 20:15 |
| rm_you | doesn't mplayer support more formats? | 20:15 |
| Dist | Hmm, after restart I got about 50MB back, weird.. Now almost 30MB free | 20:16 |
| rm_you | bleh... well, in the meantime i have a regression to fix | 20:16 |
| scibot | Odd, can't connect to my N800 through SSH | 20:16 |
| rm_you | darnit... I wish A) I had a wireless network here, B) My build-box wasn't in a different state and behind a bunch of firewalls, making file transfer aggrivating | 20:17 |
| Tak | I hear that - I end up scping from build box to another box with bluetooth, then bt-xfer to device | 20:18 |
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| scibot | It pings but it won't connect. | 20:21 |
| Tak | ssh server running? | 20:22 |
| scibot | Not sure | 20:22 |
| Tak | can you ssh to localhost from the device? | 20:22 |
| scibot | Yep | 20:23 |
| rm_you | Tak: blegh.... though BT is an interesting option :P i guess i can do that instead of USB transfer >_> | 20:23 |
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| Dist | rm_you: Ok, it's completely unusable with the default one | 20:26 |
| Dist | mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth -ac ffmp3 -msglevel all=6 | 20:26 |
| Dist | I hear SOMETHING, but I wouldn't call this my favourite music | 20:26 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:26 |
| rm_you | truth | 20:26 |
| Dist | Plain -ao alsa:device=bluetooth wouldn't give me anything | 20:27 |
| rm_you | heh, odd | 20:27 |
| rm_you | OH | 20:27 |
| Dist | Oh, now it does | 20:27 |
| rm_you | cause my build includes libmad support | 20:27 |
| Dist | Hmm, wtf | 20:27 |
| rm_you | the default doesn't, i believe? | 20:27 |
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| rm_you | thus why my build requires libmad0 | 20:27 |
| Dist | I'll paste this somewhere | 20:28 |
| rm_you | kk | 20:28 |
| * hahlo i mixed becomeroot and capture-root :P | 20:28 | |
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| Dist | rm_you: Ah, sorry, it didn't work then because of me screwing that up | 20:29 |
| rm_you | heh | 20:30 |
| Dist | Error message for "-ao ao=alsa:device=bluetooth" could be better though =D | 20:30 |
| rm_you | :P | 20:30 |
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| rm_you | Whew, I just misunderstood Serge, my patch doesn't introduct a regression :P yay | 20:31 |
| rm_you | s/introduct/introduce/ | 20:31 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: Whew, I just misunderstood Serge, my patch doesn't introduce a regression :P yay | 20:31 |
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| rm_you | lol | 20:32 |
| rm_you | <3 infobot | 20:32 |
| Dist | Heh, 90 requests/s for 15 concurrent users with nginx running on N810.. | 20:34 |
| Dist | It's nice | 20:34 |
| rm_you | lol wow | 20:34 |
| rm_you | your n810 is running a webserver? :P | 20:35 |
| Dist | Sure =D | 20:35 |
| rm_you | that actually gets hits?! :P | 20:35 |
| Dist | Well.. =D | 20:35 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:35 |
| Dist | I just happened to test that too =D | 20:35 |
| rm_you | lol.... | 20:35 |
| rm_you | Wikipedia: Large sites that use nginx include: | 20:36 |
| rm_you | YouPorn [1] | 20:36 |
| rm_you | " | 20:36 |
| Dist | =D | 20:36 |
| Dist | Heh | 20:36 |
| Tak | wow, YouPorn is running from a single N810?! | 20:36 |
| rm_you | rofl | 20:36 |
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| rm_you | Dist: so, you test my build yet? | 20:37 |
| Dist | rm_you: I still don't get any music out of it | 20:37 |
| rm_you | >_> | 20:37 |
| rm_you | does it report the buffersize as 25600? | 20:37 |
| Dist | Well, I do for about 1 sec, then it dies for several seconds, then I get mangled sounds if anything | 20:37 |
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| Dist | Umm, lost that line with more output | 20:39 |
| Dist | Oh, got it | 20:39 |
| Dist | |dec_audio: Allocating 4096 bytes for input buffer. | 20:40 |
| Dist | |dec_audio: Allocating 9216 + 65536 = 74752 bytes for output buffer. | 20:40 |
| rm_you | ? | 20:40 |
| rm_you | that's for libmad | 20:40 |
| rm_you | should be AO: | 20:40 |
| Dist | Uhm, can't find any =D | 20:41 |
| rm_you | err | 20:41 |
| rm_you | alsa-init: got buffersize=???? | 20:41 |
| rm_you | and then, "alsa: 44100 Hz/2channels/4bpf/???? bytes buffer/ Signed 16 bit Little Endian" | 20:42 |
| Dist | Oh, sorry, too many errors on screen =D | 20:42 |
| Dist | alsa-init: got buffersize=25600 | 20:42 |
| rm_you | yeah just quit like immediately | 20:42 |
| rm_you | hrm. | 20:42 |
| rm_you | well, it definately got it... | 20:42 |
| rm_you | can you paste your output somewhere? | 20:42 |
| Dist | Sure | 20:42 |
| Dist | Uhhh, wtf =D | 20:45 |
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| Dist | Just rerunning that to get better logs, now it gives constant sound | 20:45 |
| rm_you | lol? | 20:46 |
| Dist | Difference being that I pipe the output to file | 20:46 |
| rm_you | so... working? | 20:46 |
| rm_you | AH | 20:46 |
| rm_you | so | 20:46 |
| rm_you | yeah, theres another theory | 20:46 |
| Dist | and again, not working if I don't | 20:46 |
| rm_you | try the official mplayer again, and do that | 20:46 |
| rm_you | someone else in the thread mentioned something like that | 20:46 |
| rm_you | it's possible that the effort of writing to STDOUT is just a bit too much for it to handle | 20:47 |
| rm_you | even though it's normally a very small amount of work | 20:47 |
| Dist | Heh, great place to fail at | 20:47 |
| * timeless ponders | 20:48 | |
| timeless | why hasn't someone just made a proper docpurge package? | 20:49 |
| Dist | rm_you: way more "broken pipe" (and skips) on this | 20:49 |
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| rm_you | so | 20:49 |
| rm_you | what do you think | 20:50 |
| Dist | Almost unlistenable, your version was usable | 20:50 |
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| rm_you | try with video via the mplayer GUI | 20:50 |
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| rm_you | and try Kagu too, if you have it | 20:50 |
| Dist | Yeah, I do, haven't used it almost at all yet though | 20:50 |
| Dist | There's some evil tunes every time I start playing something, but then it starts sounding better | 20:51 |
| Dist | I'm just trying on some other mp3 files, just to check that everything is the same on those too | 20:52 |
| Dist | But I love how A2DP sounds when it works =D | 20:52 |
| rm_you | glad it is working | 20:53 |
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| rm_you | i was hoping it wasnt just a fluke on my device :P | 20:53 |
| Dist | Heh | 20:53 |
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| legind | has anyone gotten video playback for H.264 working on os2008 | 20:53 |
| legind | or divx | 20:53 |
| rm_you | havent tried | 20:54 |
| rm_you | i can try tho | 20:54 |
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| legind | yeah try it out. from the forums I can gather that it has worked for some, but I can't get it to work | 20:55 |
| Dist | rm_you: Hmm, if you stop, wait a while and start mplayer, do you get "old data" from some buffer to your headphones? | 20:55 |
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| Dist | rm_you: Ah, 6 skips on this song, worst one about 2s (actually a flood of broken pipes), most less than 0.5s. With extras-devel version playback just stopped somewhere so long that I had sudden urge to ^c that. | 21:00 |
| rm_you | hrm | 21:01 |
| rm_you | can you send me the file somehow? | 21:01 |
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| rm_you | i haven't found an mp3 that will make mine skip | 21:02 |
| Dist | Could have something to do with me having 2.6MB free again | 21:03 |
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| Dist | rm_you: What does free say for you when no apps open, ssh in? | 21:03 |
| rm_you | free: 7668 | 21:04 |
| rm_you | that's with two xterms open | 21:05 |
| Dist | A little break, Heroes is on.. -> | 21:05 |
| rm_you | but not sshed | 21:05 |
| rm_you | lol :P | 21:05 |
| Dist | Ok, well close enough anyway | 21:05 |
| rm_you | did you try video? | 21:05 |
| Dist | No, just crashed Kagu a few times =D | 21:05 |
| rm_you | hrm | 21:05 |
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| Dist | Rescan helped though | 21:05 |
| Dist | bbl | 21:05 |
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| rm_you | yeah, not gonna argue with Heroes :P | 21:07 |
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| rm_you | Dist: and to answer your question from a bit ago: no, it doesn't play old data... it starts right at the beginning of the new song, no bits of the old buffer or anything on mine | 21:17 |
| Dist | I've got Jabra BT620s.. Might be something strange in that too | 21:20 |
| rm_you | i'm using Logitec LBT-HP100C2SV that i bought in Japan | 21:21 |
| rm_you | note, Logitec not Logitch :P | 21:21 |
| rm_you | s/Logitch/Logitech/ | 21:21 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: note, Logitec not Logitech :P | 21:21 |
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| Dist | 3432 | 21:23 |
| Dist | s/(..)/chr hex/eg | 21:23 |
| Dist | Hmm, just testing | 21:23 |
| Dist | 3432 | 21:23 |
| Dist | s/(..)/chr hex $1/eg | 21:24 |
| Dist | Maybe /e wouldn't be very good idea anyway in that | 21:24 |
| Tak | heh, I tried to get him to do subexpression replacement before | 21:26 |
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| rm_you | lol3942testing | 21:37 |
| rm_you | s/[0-9]*/#/ | 21:38 |
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| rm_you | 12345 | 21:38 |
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| rm_you | s/\(.*\)4/4\1/ | 21:39 |
| rm_you | lol yeah notsomuch | 21:39 |
| Dist | Just literal stuff then huh? | 21:39 |
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| niteOwl | . | 21:45 |
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| keesj | I installed it2008 on a 4G mmc card of the n800. it's almoost like the real thing. | 22:06 |
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| luron | it's like http://pupnik.de/kitty_no_foodzor.jpg | 22:06 |
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| dospod | hey | 22:13 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:14 |
| dospod | hey | 22:14 |
| dospod | has anybody tried using an a-data 8 gig sdhc on the n8x0 series? | 22:14 |
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| Dist | I wish I could get something bigger than 4GB for that minisd | 22:16 |
| dospod | card is only 29.99 but i dont wanna buy it and have it fail on me | 22:16 |
| Dist | Is that full sized sd? | 22:18 |
| Palintheus | dospod: I ordered one from newegg waiting on it to get here :/ | 22:18 |
| dospod | Dist what do you mean | 22:18 |
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| Dist | Because N810 only can use minisd :< | 22:18 |
| Dist | (or microsd with converter to minisd) | 22:19 |
| dospod | Palintheus you could always return it to newegg after a year but I dont feel like returning it to newegg\ | 22:19 |
| dospod | well I got a n800 so I can use full sized | 22:19 |
| dospod | and yes it is full sized | 22:19 |
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| dospod | and when using a gps on n800 do I have to download the maps in the maps application? | 22:21 |
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| Jiten | dospod: There was a thread on Internet Tablet Talk forums about 8GB SDHC cards I think. | 22:46 |
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| skibur | anybody using kde at the moment on the their Tablet? | 22:50 |
| pupnik770 | Jiten, theres a thread with a standardized benchmark test you can type for read and write speeds | 22:50 |
| pupnik770 | it would be neat if n810 users used it | 22:51 |
| Jiten | pupnik770: yes, I saw that too but that was n810 only I think. | 22:51 |
| svu_ | anyone knows when Quim is back from holidays? to get some update on discount codes... | 22:52 |
| dospod | Ive seen kde on it but I dont wanna try it yet | 22:53 |
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| pupnik770 | is there a kde available as an image | 22:56 |
| pupnik770 | wheres the darn question mark on the stowaway US layout hehe | 22:56 |
| pupnik770 | ":<>oh there ? | 22:57 |
| dospod | damn I know I say that sd card thread a few weeks ago but I can't seem to find it now | 22:57 |
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| pupnik770 | ":<>oh there ? | 23:14 |
| pupnik770 | oops | 23:14 |
| pupnik770 | i love the 770 for IRC at the dinnertable | 23:14 |
| pupnik770 | irc in general :P | 23:14 |
| legind | I love that xchat has been ported to maemo | 23:14 |
| pupnik770 | do you use it? | 23:15 |
| Tak | indeed. | 23:15 |
| legind | yup | 23:15 |
| legind | not now | 23:15 |
| pupnik770 | i cant maximize xchat .. can you? | 23:15 |
| legind | but in general yes | 23:15 |
| legind | maximize? | 23:15 |
| Tak | pupnik770: you need the skyhusker build. | 23:15 |
| pupnik770 | ahh i shall googole | 23:15 |
| pupnik770 | thx | 23:15 |
| Tak | legind: fullscreen | 23:15 |
| legind | I can't get it out of fullscreen | 23:16 |
| dospod | why are maemo packages so scattered accross the web | 23:22 |
| sk | i use ssh->bitchx for irc | 23:22 |
| sk | works fine | 23:22 |
| sk | on n770 | 23:22 |
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| F463D9 | stupid question: (just unboxed my n810), trying to connect an old apple airport using 128-bit WEP, the n810 won't accept anything but a 5 character WEP key | 23:23 |
| F463D9 | what am i doing wrong? | 23:23 |
| Tak | dospod: because many developers don't want to deal with the garage repo | 23:23 |
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| dospod | it would be nice to have all apps in one place | 23:41 |
| Tak | yes, it would | 23:41 |
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| dospod | like i just found gtk-gnutell for it2008 | 23:42 |
| dospod | i wish i would have know about this sooner | 23:42 |
| guerby | hmm how does one do copy/paste on a N810 (haven't read the manual yet :) | 23:45 |
| dospod | depends what app ur in I believe | 23:45 |
| guerby | I'm filling in E-mail account settings | 23:46 |
| guerby | with the virtual kbd on N800 there's always an option to copy/paste on the left | 23:46 |
| guerby | but no virtual kbd on N810 | 23:46 |
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| rm_you | Yeah, I thought about trying to set up a universal repository that would just include like, everything... but there are so many complications | 23:51 |
| rm_you | and it just really isn't feasible | 23:51 |
| rm_you | i mean, it could theoretically just have a list of repos and do rsync mirrors every couple of hours | 23:52 |
| rm_you | but then you still have the problem that it's one person maintaining it, and if there's stuff I don't know about, there needs to be an application proceedure, etc... | 23:53 |
| rm_you | well, if anyone has ideas on the subject... let me know :) | 23:53 |
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| dospod | It would be nice to have a list of apps all in one place | 23:54 |
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| keesj | maemoapps.com kind of thing? | 23:57 |
| keesj | maemo-apps.com ... | 23:58 |
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| keesj | hmm sorry for the spam. sleepy time | 23:59 |
| dospod | haha yea | 23:59 |
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