| gnarvaez | p|, I have to run.... need to finish an aritcle for tomorrow [on coffee, I am an anthropologist in real life, and that is my research]. I am wondering if maybe this problem might be related to D-Bus message handling? I am trying to understand how the BT kybrd is read, in the mean time I will keep my fingers crossed to see if this issue is fixed in the next rev. and now I have to move on to another project [it involves espressos] | 00:01 |
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| gnarvaez | later | 00:01 |
| p| | ok, thanks for now :) | 00:01 |
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| ol_schoola | /me bumps his question | 00:03 |
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| skibur | Will OS2008 have new features? | 00:10 |
| alterego | You bet your ass. | 00:10 |
| alterego | IT has new features coming out of the kazoo | 00:11 |
| Jaffa | Lots. Shiny new application chooser menu, new theme, draggable desktop plugins, cross-language home screen plugins, built-in Mozilla-based browser, ... | 00:11 |
| zerojay | Guys, shut up. | 00:12 |
| alterego | Transparency and other graphical effects. | 00:12 |
| zerojay | It's making the wait that much more difficult. :/ | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 00:12 |
| alterego | It's ~2 weeks now :P | 00:12 |
| alterego | Sod all time :) | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | I've also got promotion/pay rise announcements "the second half of November". | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | It's a month I'm spending on tenterhooks. | 00:13 |
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| ol_schoola | anyone here booting an 800 from internal flash? | 00:16 |
| alterego | I'd imagine everyone is ol_schoola | 00:16 |
| alterego | As it is how Nokia built the devices .. | 00:16 |
| ol_schoola | i meant from internal mmc slot | 00:16 |
| alterego | Ah, well you should have said internal card then | 00:17 |
| alterego | Yes, I'm booting from a 1G partition on a 2G card which is placed in the internal memory card slot. | 00:17 |
| ol_schoola | i've completed the procedure and want to verify it really is | 00:17 |
| p| | what are the benefit to boot from the internal SD? | 00:18 |
| ol_schoola | file mgr shows card corrupted | 00:18 |
| alterego | That may be because you only have a single ext2 partition. | 00:18 |
| alterego | Is that true? | 00:18 |
| ol_schoola | y | 00:18 |
| ol_schoola | yes | 00:18 |
| p| | (i'm unable to mount as ext2 my ext3 formatted sdhc... uff) | 00:18 |
| alterego | Well that'll be why then. | 00:18 |
| alterego | Don't format memory cards as ext3 | 00:18 |
| p| | yes i know | 00:19 |
| p| | but i've already done :-( | 00:19 |
| p| | ok | 00:19 |
| alterego | Oh well .. | 00:19 |
| ol_schoola | ok, so the ext partition is just invisible? /media/mmc2 is empty | 00:19 |
| p| | (and have 3+gb of data...) | 00:19 |
| alterego | ol_schoola, I presume so. Like I said, my internal memory card is split down the middle so I don't get that problem. | 00:20 |
| skibur | I'm a slackware user, but how do I install deb packages? | 00:20 |
| alterego | It also means I can have a virtual memory file. | 00:20 |
| alterego | Install debian skibur | 00:21 |
| ol_schoola | right right. but i still want to be able to verify i'm booting to the ext partition rather than int flash. how do i check that? | 00:21 |
| alterego | `mount` | 00:21 |
| alterego | if your rootfs is /dev/mmc* then it worked. | 00:21 |
| * ol_schoola bangs head on key#@$$^twrgsd | 00:22 | |
| ol_schoola | thx alterego | 00:22 |
| alterego | /dev/mmcblk0p2 on / type ext2 (rw,noatime) | 00:22 |
| alterego | Look for something like that ol_schoola | 00:22 |
| alterego | Though yours would be /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 00:22 |
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| p| | alterego: what are the benefit to boot from the internal SD? | 00:27 |
| ol_schoola | crikey, it's not showing up. i just realized, i'd removed my external card, possibly screwing with the device numbering, rebooting now | 00:27 |
| ol_schoola | pl: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ | 00:28 |
| ol_schoola | explanations are given in the article | 00:28 |
| alterego | p|, possible makes the system run faster. You have potentially a lot more space to install applications. | 00:28 |
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| p| | hum, interesting | 00:28 |
| p| | thanks | 00:28 |
| alterego | It also means you can boot into a safe environment in main flash if you break your memory card install. | 00:28 |
| alterego | So you're guaranteed of always having an operational system on your tablet :) | 00:29 |
| ol_schoola | hmmm, i must have dorked the initfs_flash step, doesn't boot to menu, just boots saying "Booting from flas..." | 00:29 |
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| alterego | ol_schoola, you have to hold down the menu key. | 00:29 |
| ol_schoola | missed that, trying again | 00:30 |
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| ol_schoola | crud, it's still boots from flash. it's not listed in mount, i had to load mbcache and ext2 modules and now it is mountable again. any idea where i went ewrong? | 00:35 |
| alterego | Did the boot menu come up? | 00:36 |
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| ol_schoola | no, if i hold Menu, it says Hold Menu for Advanced then immediately jumps to Booting from flash... | 00:37 |
| alterego | Eesh,. | 00:37 |
| alterego | Take the battery out for about 20 seconds and try again. | 00:37 |
| p| | alterego: have you formatted all your partition with ext2 ? | 00:37 |
| ol_schoola | no go, same behavior | 00:39 |
| alterego | No, I have 2x 2G cards. One of them (the internal one) is partitioned into two 1G partitions, the first is fat the second is ext2 and is the primary rootfs for my N800 | 00:39 |
| p| | is mandatory the first vfat ? | 00:39 |
| alterego | Shouldn't be, | 00:40 |
| alterego | Probably safer though. | 00:40 |
| p| | hum | 00:40 |
| alterego | As it's known to work at least with me ;) | 00:40 |
| ol_schoola | does the ext2 partition NEED to be the second partition? | 00:40 |
| alterego | Like I said, it shouldn't but as this configuration works for me it's a safe bet to do it. | 00:40 |
| alterego | In fact. | 00:41 |
| _Monkey | i guess in fact is about reopening one since this bug was in principle solved | 00:41 |
| alterego | I actually made this particular partitioning choice because of windows. | 00:41 |
| alterego | I wasn't sure if windows could handle having a fat partition as a secondary on a memory card device. | 00:41 |
| alterego | Though I don't use Windows personally, the device comes in handy when I'm at a friends and they've got something cool I want to pinch :) | 00:42 |
| ol_schoola | hmmm, i used a 512 card and passed 15000,, to fsdisk | 00:42 |
| ol_schoola | anything i should undo before repartitioning it? | 00:42 |
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| ol_schoola | ah nuts, i'll go for broke and redo it with a tiny little fat | 00:44 |
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| ol_schoola | arrrgh, the fat partition doesn't show up, no file manager claims there is no card inserted -- it's a basic SanDisk 512 | 00:58 |
| ol_schoola | memory CP claims same thing | 00:58 |
| p| | tomorrow i'll try also :D | 00:59 |
| p| | i have a sandisk 6gb microSDHC class 4 | 00:59 |
| p| | hope it is fast | 01:00 |
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| p| | time to go bed now... | 01:07 |
| p| | good night to all ! | 01:07 |
| alterego | g'night | 01:07 |
| ol_schoola | alterego: any ideas? card not supported? | 01:11 |
| alterego | I doubt that, | 01:12 |
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| |tbb| | Volume: 128 cc is that louder than 136 cc? dont know what cc is | 01:12 |
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| ol_schoola | alterego: very strange... loaded modules, mounted ext2 part to /opt and the VFAT pertition appeared! | 01:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:21 |
| legind | hey, my friend has a sidekick... does anyone know if it's possible to use the sidekick's network to provide the n800 with internet? | 01:21 |
| * legind btw has no idea when it comes to bt | 01:22 | |
| alterego | I have no idea what a sidekick is. | 01:23 |
| halley | http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/t-mobile-sidekick-ii/4507-6454_7-30981614.html | 01:24 |
| doublec | does the sidekick have bluetooth? | 01:24 |
| legind | its some bluetooth phone instant messaging thing | 01:24 |
| legind | yes | 01:24 |
| doublec | should work then | 01:24 |
| legind | i think it has 3g | 01:24 |
| doublec | i connect to the internet often by pairing my n800 with my phone | 01:24 |
| halley | I don't think it's BT. | 01:24 |
| halley | (Model I linked isn't.) | 01:25 |
| legind | I tried it but it doesn't work | 01:25 |
| doublec | yeah, that website says it doesn't have bluetooth | 01:25 |
| legind | doublec, how do you pair it? does your phone have USB? | 01:26 |
| doublec | i pair it over bluetooth | 01:26 |
| doublec | i don't have a sidekick, i have a nokia n73 | 01:27 |
| legind | whats an n73 | 01:27 |
| doublec | a phone | 01:27 |
| _Monkey | i guess a phone is for voice and data | 01:27 |
| legind | right... i just work up | 01:27 |
| legind | woke | 01:27 |
| * halley mutters about how lame chatterbots are. | 01:28 | |
| halley | Google is helpful too, I hear. | 01:28 |
| alterego | :) | 01:28 |
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| * alterego adds fullscreen support to his app. | 01:28 | |
| alterego | What else should a todo app have .. | 01:29 |
| doublec | i use maemo-mapper a lot, downloading maps with the connected phone. it works really well. | 01:29 |
| halley | Can it wake from sleep and tell you it elapsed? | 01:29 |
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| alterego | It does alert yes. | 01:30 |
| legind | alterego, how do you develop for the n800? I do web programming (PHP, mySQL, AJAX)... do you develop in python? | 01:30 |
| alterego | Not from off though. | 01:30 |
| alterego | legind, I use Ruby | 01:30 |
| legind | ahh ok | 01:30 |
| legind | theres a php port for maemo I believe | 01:30 |
| alterego | Well, if you can call it that,. | 01:30 |
| alterego | I don't quite see why people would want to develop for maemo with PHP. | 01:31 |
| legind | put I don't want to make installing php a necessity to run apps I develop | 01:31 |
| alterego | It's an aweful language :P | 01:31 |
| halley | ^with PHP^with Ruby | 01:31 |
| * halley scurries about, trying to hide. | 01:31 | |
| legind | heh | 01:31 |
| alterego | I know they have Gtk bindings but I'm pretty sure there are no Hildon ones as of yet. | 01:31 |
| halley | I don't know much about Ruby actually. | 01:32 |
| alterego | http://alterego.freeshell.org/rx_task_003.png | 01:32 |
| alterego | That's a screenshot of an app I'm doing now in Ruby. | 01:32 |
| * legind has never coded in ruby though he's used ruby on rails minimally | 01:32 | |
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| alterego | Ruby is the best language ever. | 01:33 |
| alterego | ruby? | 01:33 |
| _Monkey | well, ruby is http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/projects/ruby-maemo | 01:33 |
| alterego | Hah | 01:33 |
| alterego | Nice to see that's updated. | 01:33 |
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| ol_schoola | alterego: ok, using a vfat as first part and ext2 as second did the trick | 01:35 |
| ol_schoola | boots and runs faster for sure | 01:37 |
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| alterego | Nice | 01:38 |
| ol_schoola | ok, i have to ask. any big issues with the LCARS theme and the current FW? worth the time to try it? | 01:39 |
| ol_schoola | not that i would actually use it all the time but my brother has an iphone and is a trekkie | 01:39 |
| alterego | Cool, fullscreen works a charm. | 01:39 |
| ol_schoola | that would kill him to see LCARS on the 800 | 01:40 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:40 |
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| legind | what is the best way people can suggest for using google apps on maemo? for instance, google calendar does't render correctly on osso-browser-opera doesn't render google calendar correctly | 02:01 |
| legind | ff? | 02:01 |
| halley | that is redundant, that is. | 02:02 |
| legind | answers? | 02:03 |
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| Mycrof1 | Help : All of pidgin except the main exe updates. Ideas? | 02:07 |
| Mycrof1 | Hello fellow Maemo'ers? | 02:09 |
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| Mycrof1 | Anyone there? 222 people asleep? | 02:10 |
| halley | Be patient, apparently they are. | 02:11 |
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| zeenix | Mycrof1: it's 02:13 in finland | 02:13 |
| Mycrof1 | I'm sitting in the tub and the water is getting cold... | 02:13 |
| * halley boggles. | 02:14 | |
| Mycrof1 | Everyone here is in Finland? | 02:14 |
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| Mycrof1 | I'm in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA | 02:16 |
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| db48x | I think the safest thing to say is that everyone here is on Earth | 02:17 |
| zeenix | db48x: how can you be sure? | 02:18 |
| db48x | I said "safest", not "100% known to be true" | 02:18 |
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| hircus | zeenix: because all the space stations that we know exist won't take 100 users, and so the remainder must be on earth :) | 02:37 |
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| gnarvaez_ | does anyone know what the audio connections for the n800 are? I know it is 4 pins, but what is the 4th pin? Mic or line? Does it use +Vcc to turn on/off the mic? (mute) | 09:03 |
| Stalwart | iirc 4th pin is mic | 09:05 |
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| gnarvaez_ | thanks... (I meant to say ground, not vcc.... so when a normal headphone is connected it selects the internal mic, when the 4th pin is ungrounded, then it selects the external mic--am I right?) | 09:08 |
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| Stalwart | i dunno, i don't have tablet yet o.O | 09:13 |
| Stalwart | waiting for n810 | 09:13 |
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| timeless | ok, i reported the press rss thing | 09:26 |
| timeless | they'll see about maybe fixing it | 09:26 |
| * timeless grumbles | 09:26 | |
| gnarvaez_ | Stalwart, it seems that there is a schematic online and if it is correct, the 4th pin is only a hook detect and not an audio input (darn!) | 09:28 |
| gnarvaez_ | was hoping to use a iPhone headset | 09:29 |
| gnarvaez_ | nope, I spoke too soon, I think it is also a mic input | 09:31 |
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| timeless | what are you talking about? | 09:32 |
| timeless | he n810 as w/ the n800 comes w/ a headset w/ mic | 09:32 |
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| gnarvaez_ | not mine, it only came with stereo headphones | 09:36 |
| timeless | are you sure? | 09:38 |
| timeless | there's a hole where the two audio lines mee | 09:38 |
| * timeless is pretty sure that hole is a mic | 09:38 | |
| gnarvaez_ | and I am also thinking about doing some audio encoding/decoding (psk31) instead of carrying around a laptop | 09:39 |
| gnarvaez_ | Timeless, it has a mic on the body | 09:39 |
| gnarvaez_ | what I want to know if it supports an external mic in, similar to a cell phone. Nokia was one of the first to switch to a 4 pin 2.5mm connector that supports stereo out and mic in | 09:40 |
| gnarvaez_ | but for the n800 they use a 3.5 mm | 09:40 |
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| Stalwart | and thanks nokia for that | 09:41 |
| gnarvaez_ | Before ordering a headset that is 4 pins, I am trying to find out how it is configured | 09:41 |
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| timeless | look, you're wrong. | 09:49 |
| timeless | the cable includes a microphone | 09:50 |
| * timeless curses | 09:55 | |
| timeless | nokia.com really sucks | 09:55 |
| timeless | all i want is an hs-48 | 09:55 |
| timeless | and it won't let me find one | 09:55 |
| ds3 | it is probally a standard handsfree kit pin out | 09:55 |
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| timeless | http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/full-analysis-of-ljprx-44-to-date_30.html | 09:57 |
| timeless | # HS-48 - Wired stereo headset with microphone | 09:57 |
| timeless | i give up, nokia.com's site is unusable | 09:57 |
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| timeless | ok, i'm yelling at the only care service that's available | 10:14 |
| timeless | (finland) | 10:14 |
| timeless | ooh, not bad hold music | 10:14 |
| timeless | and it's in English :) | 10:15 |
| czr | why do you yell at the hold music? :-) | 10:15 |
| timeless | i don't | 10:15 |
| czr | it's some kind of karaoke? | 10:15 |
| timeless | i'm appreciative of it | 10:15 |
| timeless | ok, i think an incoming call crashed my phone | 10:16 |
| db48x | heh | 10:16 |
| timeless | or not | 10:16 |
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| X-Fade | Just FYI, maemo.org will be down/flakey while we upgrade the site. (Which we are doing at this very moment) | 10:23 |
| keesj | I see nice sql error messages indeed :) | 10:27 |
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| bergie | quite a few DB structure changes :-) | 10:29 |
| czr | remember to corrupt the db, otherwise it's no fun at all | 10:32 |
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| mona_lisa | hi #maemo | 10:35 |
| mona_lisa | i wan't to watch some movies on my n800... | 10:36 |
| mona_lisa | ...wich resolution is optimal?? | 10:36 |
| mona_lisa | 800x480?? and wich tool to use to comprimate different formats to xxxXxxx | 10:36 |
| mona_lisa | and should i use the internal player or mplayer? | 10:38 |
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| Jaffa | mona_lisa: 800x480 isn't playable. 400x240 is the best resolution. DivX video/MP3 audio. Bitrates dependent on if you're using Media Player or mplayer. mplayer can go higher. There are various tools for encoding. | 10:41 |
| mona_lisa | Jaffa: wich ones? | 10:41 |
| mona_lisa | isn't the promo-video shipped with the n800 800x480 | 10:42 |
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| mona_lisa | it seems so high-res | 10:42 |
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| Jaffa | mona_lisa: no, it's not. | 10:42 |
| mona_lisa | ok | 10:42 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: video encoding is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/videoencoding/ and http://mediaconverter.garage.maemo.org/Media%20Converter.html and http://bleb.org/software/maemo/#encode | 10:43 |
| _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. | 10:43 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: tell mona_lisa about video encoding | 10:43 |
| mona_lisa | Jaffa: ty | 10:44 |
| Jaffa | np | 10:44 |
| mona_lisa | _Monkey: the answer is 42 | 10:44 |
| _Monkey | ...but answer is 42. but what is the question... | 10:44 |
| mona_lisa | _Monkey: tell me about the answer | 10:47 |
| _Monkey | the answer is 42. but what is the question | 10:47 |
| mona_lisa | _Monkey: tell me about you | 10:47 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | 10:47 |
| mona_lisa | _Monkey: tell me about me | 10:47 |
| _Monkey | mona_lisa: excuse me? | 10:47 |
| mona_lisa | _Monkey: tell me about him | 10:47 |
| _Monkey | mona_lisa: i'm not following you... | 10:47 |
| mona_lisa | _Monkey: tell me about recursion | 10:47 |
| _Monkey | mona_lisa: what? | 10:47 |
| mona_lisa | _Monkey: recursion is kewl | 10:48 |
| _Monkey | OK, mona_lisa. | 10:48 |
| mona_lisa | _Monkey: tell me about recursion | 10:48 |
| _Monkey | recursion is kewl | 10:48 |
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| bergie | ok, guys... maemo.org is now upgraded. X-Fade and Ferenc will next start deploying new app catalog. Please ping me if you spot any problems | 10:53 |
| * Jaffa bingles his new garage project. Perfectly painless application :) | 10:54 | |
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| Jaffa | bergie: getting weird HTTP-level errors from http://maemo.org/profile/list | 11:02 |
| timeless | so,... | 11:02 |
| _Monkey | i think so, is the flash any better? | 11:02 |
| timeless | _monkey forget so | 11:02 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot so | 11:02 |
| timeless | _monkey so is <reply> | 11:02 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 11:02 |
| timeless | anyway | 11:02 |
| Jaffa | timeless: good weekend? | 11:02 |
| timeless | by definition, a "headset" includes a microphone | 11:03 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: We are now still breaking things ;) | 11:03 |
| timeless | that's the best official answer i can get from nokia care | 11:03 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: excellent :) | 11:03 |
| timeless | jaffa: i went to work yesterday thinking yesterday was today | 11:03 |
| Jaffa | Ah. That's not good. | 11:03 |
| timeless | e.g., http://europe.nokia.com/hs-31 | 11:04 |
| bergie | Jaffa: I think ferenc shut down Apache :-) | 11:06 |
| X-Fade | We are converting the underlying database for the application catalog changes. Better do that when the site is offline ;) | 11:07 |
| * timeless kicks gnarvaez_ for hitting and running | 11:07 | |
| keesj | I could order my http://www.chumby.com/ if I where living in the US :( | 11:13 |
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| Rothiel | Hi :) | 11:15 |
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| keesj | fab@nba? | 11:20 |
| fab | no | 11:21 |
| keesj | oke :P | 11:21 |
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| pancake | how can I change the project page in the garage? | 11:35 |
| pancake | and..how many time does i have to wait until the news and trove info go public? | 11:36 |
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| timeless | who owns planet.maemo? | 11:38 |
| pancake | Nokia? | 11:38 |
| _Monkey | Nokia is a company. It also sponsors maemo using sales of N800s. Buy one. Buy two! | 11:38 |
| timeless | that wasn't the answer i wanted :) | 11:39 |
| dpb_ | ah, the planet looks nice with errors.. :) | 11:40 |
| timeless | dpb: yeah, i'm hoping to find a responsible party/person | 11:40 |
| * timeless picks up a key and goes hunting | 11:40 | |
| pancake | the garage missed Vala as a valid language option | 11:40 |
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| timeless | ok, i can't find anyone | 11:47 |
| pancake | haahah | 11:47 |
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| bergie | dpb_: what errors? | 11:57 |
| bergie | I see :-( | 11:57 |
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| rothiel | Hi | 12:04 |
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| dbqpdb | Hello | 12:13 |
| _Monkey | privet, dbqpdb | 12:13 |
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| dbqpdb | Hello | 12:14 |
| dbqpdb | Has anyone some experience with USB-Networking on the Nokia N800 device? | 12:14 |
| timeless | _monkey forget recursion | 12:15 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot recursion | 12:15 |
| timeless | dbqpdb: there's no wiki page? | 12:15 |
| timeless | sp3000: consider https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/patches/020_BUG4821_full_page_zoom.gtk2_1.diff?root=browser&r1=605&r2=720 | 12:15 |
| dbqpdb | I have trouble with USB-Networking when the Host is a VM-Ware | 12:16 |
| timeless | maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ maemo.org/maemowiki/USBnetworkingWinXP | 12:16 |
| dbqpdb | So: PC is windows xp running VMWare hosting a Debian - When i "ifup eth0" I get some strange error-messages | 12:16 |
| timeless | in vmware's itle bar there's a button either depressed or not for hte usb connection | 12:17 |
| timeless | if it isn't depressed, it won't work | 12:17 |
| sp3000 | awww. | 12:18 |
| suihkulokki | emo vmware | 12:18 |
| Mikho | so don't cheer up the buttons too much | 12:18 |
| timeless | sp3000: that better be to my track url and not the vmware state :) | 12:18 |
| timeless | trak? | 12:18 |
| timeless | use a pastebin, or fix your mode to allow messages from unregistereds | 12:20 |
| dbqpdb | I do not reject any messages, do I? | 12:20 |
| timeless | the server does | 12:20 |
| timeless | you need o change your momde, don't ask me how | 12:20 |
| dbqpdb | timeless: http://www.flickr.com/photos/18182377@N05/1870482453/ | 12:22 |
| timeless | um | 12:23 |
| timeless | my version of vmware doesn't look like that | 12:23 |
| dbqpdb | w8 | 12:23 |
| db48x | those buttons are in the statusbar in my version | 12:23 |
| db48x | and they get little red X marks when you disable something | 12:23 |
| dbqpdb | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2266/1871335730_1b96c0116e_o.jpg | 12:25 |
| dbqpdb | That is it when not in Fullscreen-Mode | 12:25 |
| sp3000 | meh, I'd have to read more context to appreciate it I suppose | 12:26 |
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| timeless | dbqpdb: db48x's metacomment on my comment was addressed to you | 12:27 |
| * timeless thinks | 12:27 | |
| timeless | sp3000: trac doesn't offer tha :) | 12:27 |
| * dbqpdb thinks that too | 12:27 | |
| db48x | it was addressed to whomever it would benefit, though the expectation was indeed that dbqpdb would be the most likely to benefit in the short term | 12:28 |
| * sp3000 is amused by "Parent Directory Parent Directory | Revision Log Revision Log | View Patch Patch" however. | 12:29 | |
| timeless | sp3000: i can't remember if i got around to filing a bug about tha | 12:29 |
| timeless | it bothered me a while ago | 12:30 |
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| dbqpdb | lsmod on the N800 says me that the g_ether module is loaded! | 12:34 |
| dbqpdb | And that the file_storage one is not | 12:35 |
| dbqpdb | s/not/not!!!/g | 12:35 |
| infobot | dbqpdb meant: And that the file_storage one is not!!! | 12:35 |
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| dbqpdb | _Monkey: recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when SEGFAULT! | 12:36 |
| _Monkey | OK, dbqpdb. | 12:36 |
| dbqpdb | _Monkey: tell infobot about recursion | 12:37 |
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| dbqpdb | infobot: what is recursion? | 12:41 |
| _Monkey | recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when SEGFAULT! | 12:41 |
| * infobot is recursion to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion | 12:41 | |
| dbqpdb | got to eat somethin | 12:42 |
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| Veggen | mmf, infobot? | 12:44 |
| Veggen | isn't _Monkey enough annoyance? ;) | 12:45 |
| timeless | infobot is fairly tame | 12:46 |
| Veggen | ok. | 12:46 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:55 |
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| * timeless sighs | 13:17 | |
| * timeless *hates* writing release notes | 13:18 | |
| timeless | all i'm doing is reviewing hacks | 13:18 |
| timeless | * Trying to get a context menu on an automatically resized image should not | 13:18 |
| timeless | result in continuous swaps between resized and normal image states. | 13:18 |
| timeless | Similarly, it should be possible to pan non resized images, instead of just | 13:18 |
| timeless | having them toggle between states. | 13:18 |
| timeless | (Editor's note: ah, the wonders of our flaky XServer/touch-screen. This code | 13:18 |
| timeless | is 100% pure hackery. It also indicates a design flaw. We should just remove | 13:18 |
| timeless | the feature and offer the microsoft floating toolbar style instead.) | 13:18 |
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| keesj_ | timeless: sounds like it's time for touchscreen based controls. something where you define the "menu" actions but the thing is not a menu? I am very bad a graphics but this is what I mean . http://maemo.mmapps.net/mb.png | 13:32 |
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| keesj_ | kind of anotated gestures | 13:33 |
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| Robot101 | anyone seen the terminal on the iphone? | 13:33 |
| lardman | that would interfere with drag scrolling though? | 13:33 |
| timeless | um | 13:33 |
| timeless | how would you do panning? | 13:34 |
| timeless | require the user to use a conch shell movement? | 13:34 |
| * timeless doesn't think that's such a great idea ;-) | 13:34 | |
| lardman | I must admit the whole gesture thing has passed me by | 13:34 |
| timeless | gestures are not the solution | 13:34 |
| timeless | they are the problem | 13:34 |
| timeless | gestures don't work if you end up w/ a flaky xserver | 13:35 |
| timeless | in case you didn't notice, we have a flaky xserver | 13:35 |
| timeless | no, the solution is basically a way to press and hold for a few moments to get a floating toolbar which can be in one of a couple of corners | 13:35 |
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| timeless | such a toolbar would let you pan/zoom/get a menu/move the toolbar to another corner | 13:36 |
| timeless | it might even simply happen in response to your first tap | 13:36 |
| timeless | hidding it would almost certainly require clicking an x/hide icon in the toolbar | 13:36 |
| timeless | it's really not too hard to do right | 13:36 |
| lardman | or press escape to get rid | 13:36 |
| timeless | unless you have >300 pages of stupid ui specifications | 13:37 |
| timeless | lardman: a perfectly reasonable point | 13:37 |
| timeless | ... and random but extremely short time windows in which you can try to fix the specifications | 13:37 |
| timeless | ... with no current windows scheduled | 13:37 |
| keesj_ | timeless: right panning is not that easy , unless you go for "vi" panning mode or scrolling mode :p any option of course can be reached using some gesutre | 13:37 |
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| timeless | keesj: our device absolutely needs to be fixed to accept the fact that we need modes | 13:38 |
| timeless | you can't use a single input method to emulate a device that has 5+ input methods | 13:38 |
| timeless | and expect to get it right w/o modes | 13:38 |
| timeless | anyway, time for dinner/breakfast/lunch, else i starve | 13:38 |
| keesj_ | I have not been thinking about the panning problem , I was thinking of zoom/fullscreen functionality | 13:38 |
| keesj_ | timeless: I think you are onto something. The only thing of course is how to make the usable for joe normal user :p | 13:39 |
| keesj_ | I am the kind of guy that wants to learn a new 5 letter alphabet or morse to be able to interact with my computer | 13:40 |
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| just_ice | I have trouble with USB-Networking between Windows XP and a N800: | 15:13 |
| just_ice | windows says "Network Cable removed" or something like that (I don't know the english pendant to "Netzwerkkabel wurde entfernt") | 15:14 |
| Tak | Does host mode work on the n800 now? | 15:14 |
| just_ice | Tak: what? | 15:15 |
| just_ice | Tak: lsmod says g_ether is loaded | 15:15 |
| just_ice | windows says "Network Cable removed" - what do I do wrong?? Just wanted that USB-Networking | 15:17 |
| just_ice | Windows (XP) found a device: Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget - no errors | 15:18 |
| just_ice | says me the device is ready | 15:18 |
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| just_ice | now tried both (linux.inf and RNDIS.inf) both say networkcable not plugged in | 15:26 |
| just_ice | ...help | 15:28 |
| * just_ice suffers | 15:29 | |
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| lardman | just_ice: do you not need to do ifup usb0 on the n800? | 15:40 |
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| just_ice | did it | 15:45 |
| just_ice | when trying debian <-USB-> n800 everybody can ping himself | 15:46 |
| just_ice | but not the other one | 15:46 |
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| just_ice | when i try windoze <-USB-> n800 windows says no network cable plugged in | 15:46 |
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| lardman | is the adaptor up on the n800-side? | 15:49 |
| lardman | i.e. does ifconfig show that it has an ip address? | 15:50 |
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| Nermal | lo :) | 15:51 |
| lardman | Is there a connection shown in Control Panel > Network Connections (or the German equiv) for the rndis connections? | 15:52 |
| lardman | s/connections/connection | 15:52 |
| lardman | hello Nermal | 15:52 |
| Nermal | how goes ? | 15:53 |
| just_ice | lardman: the n800 can ping itself on 192.168.2.15 | 15:53 |
| just_ice | it is up! | 15:53 |
| lardman | Nermal: not bad, quiet on here this morning | 15:53 |
| lardman | just_ice: it's up, or it's working? | 15:53 |
| Nermal | yah - I have a day off :) | 15:53 |
| just_ice | in the win dose the RNDIS connection exists | 15:53 |
| just_ice | i 'ifup'ed it i 'ifconfig usb0 up'ed it | 15:54 |
| just_ice | it can ping itself | 15:54 |
| lardman | can you ping the WinXP side? | 15:54 |
| just_ice | no | 15:54 |
| just_ice | winxp has no ip adress | 15:54 |
| just_ice | according to : it has no connection | 15:55 |
| lardman | Ah, you should give the XP side an ip address | 15:55 |
| just_ice | _Monkey: what is windows | 15:55 |
| _Monkey | wish i knew, just_ice | 15:55 |
| lardman | and make sure it's in the same subnet as the N800 side | 15:55 |
| just_ice | lardman: i gave it a static one | 15:55 |
| just_ice | it is | 15:55 |
| just_ice | but as long as windows doesn't detect a 'network cable' it does not up the interface | 15:55 |
| just_ice | on the windows side | 15:55 |
| lardman | it's odd that you see that message, from memory the adaptor just becomes disconnected and that's that | 15:56 |
| just_ice | give your lan a static ip - unplug your cable and then try ipconfig /all - you wont see any ip | 15:56 |
| lardman | try deleting the connection in control panel | 15:56 |
| lardman | ifdn usb0 on the n800, then ifup and see whether Windows detects it | 15:57 |
| lardman | btw, has it ever worked? | 15:57 |
| lardman | ah, I see above that it was detected | 15:58 |
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| lardman | presumably you have already installed linux.inf from the kernel source? | 15:58 |
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| just_ice | i have installed linux.inf | 16:04 |
| just_ice | and id did nvr work before (this is my 1st try) | 16:04 |
| lardman | oh, so we're not sure the Windows side drivers are working correctly then | 16:06 |
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| lardman | I'd try removing the Windows side connection (assuming you can see it in control panel), unplug the n800, ifdown the n800 connection, then ifup then plug back in and see what Windows does | 16:06 |
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| waite | is maemo.org misbehaving for everyone or hust me? | 16:10 |
| dpb_ | misbehaving how? | 16:10 |
| dpb_ | seems to be taking it's time to load.. | 16:10 |
| waite | about every other time I try to go to maemo.org I get some server error | 16:10 |
| timeless | it was out of disk space earlier :) | 16:11 |
| timeless | and planet was broken las i checked | 16:11 |
| dpb_ | lol | 16:11 |
| dpb_ | planet was fixed the last time I checked | 16:11 |
| timeless | i don't check very often :) | 16:11 |
| timeless | only when things are broken :) | 16:11 |
| waite | I guess they need to bump the SDHC card support even higher | 16:11 |
| waite | :_) | 16:11 |
| timeless | ? | 16:11 |
| waite | BAD monday moring joke about maemo.org being run off an N800 and needing more disk space | 16:12 |
| dpb_ | It's afternoon here. | 16:13 |
| Veggen | reminds me that I should fulfill my task about running mainframe-OS (MVS, which according to info is more or less public domain and freely downloadable), on my N800 :) | 16:13 |
| Veggen | Someone already compiled hercules for it, not sure if anyone has tried using it yet :) | 16:13 |
| Veggen | (hercules is the emulator for the box, but you still need something to run on it) | 16:14 |
| lardman | just_ice: good luck, I'll bbiab | 16:14 |
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| just_ice | lardman: ty | 16:15 |
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| dpb_ | waite: i just got a server error, so it's not just you. | 16:16 |
| dpb_ | Connection to 127.0.0.1 Failed :o | 16:16 |
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| waite | Yep got that one and now I just got Count not connect... | 16:17 |
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| waite | I think there my be a few issues | 16:17 |
| waite | I guess I will have to do real work | 16:17 |
| timeless | url? | 16:17 |
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| waite | https://maemo.org/ | 16:18 |
| waite | It was during login authentication | 16:18 |
| timeless | hrm, worked for me :) | 16:18 |
| waite | But any maemo.org URL will cause error randomly | 16:18 |
| timeless | Have I visited this website before today? Yes, 3,399 times | 16:19 |
| timeless | how nice | 16:19 |
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| timeless | ooh | 16:22 |
| timeless | karma, what's that? | 16:22 |
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| zerojayN800 | timeless, their way of helping to decide who gets the discounts. | 16:25 |
| zerojayN800 | not working too well. | 16:26 |
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| zerojayN800 | i have a big fat zero for bugzilla, for example | 16:27 |
| timeless | https://maemo.org/profile/view/timeless.html | 16:27 |
| * Jaffa 's question as to how important karma will be in this and other device programmes has gone unanswered as yet. | 16:27 | |
| timeless | wow, your (jaffa) karma is much better than mine | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | That seems somewhat wrong to me ;-) | 16:28 |
| zerojayN800 | me = 4.25 | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | Ouch | 16:28 |
| * Jaffa got a big boost from the large number of favourtings he got for his recent mediaserv posts. | 16:28 | |
| timeless | zerojay: looks like you need to tie your bugzilla account in | 16:28 |
| timeless | how do i edit my profile? | 16:29 |
| zerojayN800 | it is. | 16:29 |
| zerojayN800 | bug 2196 | 16:29 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2196 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2196 | 16:29 |
| timeless | oh, i should fix my sourceforge account | 16:29 |
| * timeless wonders what it is? | 16:29 | |
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| timeless | interesting: | 16:33 |
| timeless | darkstalker@newcon.org35 | 16:33 |
| timeless | timeless@gmail.com35 | 16:33 |
| timeless | ReporterNumber of bugs | 16:33 |
| zerojayN800 | hah | 16:33 |
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| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=reporter&action=wrap&ctype=csv&format=table | 16:34 |
| timeless | in case you were wondering | 16:34 |
| timeless | your numbers could vary in case some of my bugs are secrets | 16:35 |
| timeless | (they can't vary the other way, i have a god bit..) | 16:35 |
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| timeless | btw, tomorrow i might stuff the bug filing box | 16:36 |
| timeless | so if you guys would rather do the stuffing, i might be able to arrange that | 16:36 |
| timeless | not sure | 16:36 |
| zerojayN800 | sure | 16:36 |
| timeless | yes, "timeless is giving away free bugs" | 16:36 |
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| timeless | ok, make sure you guys have google docs accounts | 16:37 |
| zerojayN800 | ping me when you're ready. | 16:37 |
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| * Jaffa has a google doc account. Used it a bit too :-) | 16:38 | |
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| timeless | ok, which are your accounts? | 16:38 |
| zerojayN800 | timeless, onelostpacket@gmail.com | 16:39 |
| timeless | ok, you should have your invitations | 16:45 |
| timeless | zerojay/jaffa, um, join #jaffa :) | 16:46 |
| timeless | and of course open the document :) | 16:47 |
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| lardman | lol, karma trading :) | 16:49 |
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| timeless | yeah, why no? | 16:49 |
| timeless | if people want to learn to file bugs, I'm willing to share w/ any comers | 16:49 |
| lardman | I suppose filing bug reports against one's own software is cheating a bit | 16:50 |
| timeless | yeah, that's the thing | 16:50 |
| timeless | i can either take an engineer tomorrow and have him do it | 16:50 |
| Solarion | lardman: wrt what? | 16:50 |
| timeless | or i can share w/ others | 16:50 |
| timeless | i think it's better to share w/ others | 16:50 |
| Solarion | there are very sound arguments for filing bugs against your own sw | 16:50 |
| lardman | Solarion: raising one's karma | 16:50 |
| timeless | solarion: the problem is karma | 16:51 |
| Solarion | lardman: ok. Yeah, that's totally cheating. ;) | 16:51 |
| timeless | i can easily run away w/ karma | 16:51 |
| timeless | i'd rather not | 16:51 |
| timeless | and arguably it's bad form for me to give an engineer here the karma i can earn | 16:51 |
| timeless | so i feel it's slightly better to share | 16:51 |
| lardman | it is an interesting social experiment though | 16:51 |
| Solarion | My question is if rankings are based upon previous activity, how will those who do not (yet) have an n-Tablet supposed to rank up enough to get one? | 16:51 |
| timeless | do note that people will have to actually flesh out my comments | 16:51 |
| Solarion | Kind of a catch-22, no? You must have a tablet to get a new tablet.... | 16:51 |
| timeless | solarion: there's a note from qgil | 16:51 |
| timeless | if you work on upstream mobile projects | 16:52 |
| timeless | we'll somehow try to get you a chance | 16:52 |
| timeless | or consider it if not try | 16:52 |
| * timeless has no idea how that will work | 16:52 | |
| lardman | it ought to make people file bugs (good) and also rate maemo planet posts (good) | 16:52 |
| Solarion | timeless: "upstream mobile projects" how? | 16:52 |
| timeless | "don't ask me" | 16:52 |
| Solarion | like a palm port or something? | 16:52 |
| lardman | Solarion: you can also apply if you have a great idea | 16:52 |
| Solarion | heh, k. :) | 16:52 |
| timeless | solarion: i generally don't hide cards | 16:52 |
| timeless | the only exception is when it takes too long | 16:53 |
| lardman | Solarion: from gquil's post the upstream stuff is rated by Nokia employees - i.e. who they know is working on it | 16:53 |
| Solarion | lardman: sure, but great ideas and a stack of cards will get you hours of entertainment. ;) | 16:53 |
| timeless | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/138/ | 16:53 |
| timeless | is one stack of cards | 16:53 |
| timeless | not sure if it's an hour's worth or not | 16:53 |
| lardman | Solarion: indeed, great idea + ability to do it i suppose | 16:53 |
| timeless | anyway, jaffa/zerojay: read through the doc and let me know if you really think you can't do it based on what i've writen | 16:54 |
| Solarion | is a tricky proposition; I don't envy the evaluators | 16:54 |
| lardman | I wonder if people who post blog entries that are given thumbs down should be given negative karma :) | 16:54 |
| Solarion | timeless: cards? | 16:54 |
| timeless | lardman/solarion: also, if you want to play this docs.google.com/bugs game, let me know | 16:55 |
| lardman | timeless: I'm fine thanks | 16:55 |
| Solarion | timeless: I don't know that game. | 16:55 |
| timeless | solarion: free ideas for bugs, you do the work, you get the karma | 16:55 |
| timeless | shirts sometimes mailed if you help enough :) | 16:55 |
| * lardman waits for maemo.org..... | 16:55 | |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/7/ | 16:56 |
| timeless | yes, i will give bribes (shirts) for work (bugs) :) | 16:56 |
| lardman | well that's a different matter, free t-shirts are always useful :) | 16:56 |
| Solarion | timeless: how badly do you need a device to do the work? | 16:56 |
| timeless | i think you don't | 16:56 |
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| Solarion | time, I think, to finish the stupid deck and fence. This day shall be seized! | 16:58 |
| fysafysa | How can I use a MSN transport with a Jabber server? (jabber.anywise.com) | 16:58 |
| fysafysa | I don't see any way to browse transports with the built-in Jabber client. | 16:58 |
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| Disconnect | fysafysa: sign up with a full client (or use gaim) | 16:59 |
| lardman | Solarion: enjoy, I'd like to be outside too | 16:59 |
| fysafysa | ah | 16:59 |
| brunoabinader | exit | 16:59 |
| fysafysa | when I signup with a desktop client and set up the transports, the server will automatically associate and they will appear on the N800? | 16:59 |
| * Disconnect gets to spend all day outside. driving :( (DC to savannah, then one day there, then 2 days in Miami, then 3 in Key West, then we're not sure but we're driving back) | 16:59 | |
| Disconnect | fysafysa: yep | 16:59 |
| fysafysa | perfect, thanks | 16:59 |
| Solarion | lardman: I just want the stupid thing done. It's been pwning my life for way too long. | 17:00 |
| Disconnect | its not perfect but it works well enough | 17:00 |
| * Solarion throws brunoabinader a / on his way out | 17:00 | |
| fysafysa | yeah. It seems that the built-in Jabber client runs constantly, so I'd rather not waste resources on Pidgin and such if it's not necessary. | 17:00 |
| lardman | Well the conversation has moved on a little, but timeless I'm probably okay on the karma front (151) - it's taken all this time for the page to load! | 17:01 |
| Disconnect | you can stop the built-in one. and i didn't like the interface as much as gaim (haven't tried it on n800 since it changed names) | 17:01 |
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| fysafysa | But it seems to be kept loaded in memory even if you're not using it? maybe I'm mistaken. | 17:01 |
| Disconnect | but i'll be doing it on the drive, so i'll let you know later if its wildly better (or worse) | 17:01 |
| fysafysa | bitlbee + X-Chat is a decent solution so far. | 17:02 |
| fysafysa | especially if you frequent IRC anyway. | 17:02 |
| penguinbait | kvirc works great | 17:02 |
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| fysafysa | bitlbee is an IRC <-> IM gateway. | 17:02 |
| Disconnect | istr most of the dock apps are 2-parters -- a status display app (tiny) and the main app (normal/large) so if you disable it, should be ok. | 17:02 |
| Disconnect | doh. i can just ssh in and see. hold one :) | 17:02 |
| * sp3000 wonders how he's supposed to find out how to find out what his maemo.org password is or set it | 17:02 | |
| fysafysa | all of your contacts appear in a &bitlbee channel, and you can /msg and such. | 17:02 |
| fysafysa | it uses voice to let you know who is offline/online. | 17:03 |
| Disconnect | looks like just the feed-reader is running always. | 17:03 |
| fysafysa | (+v) | 17:03 |
| Disconnect | nothing in my process list relating to chat/jabber/messaging | 17:03 |
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| sp3000 | apparently the correct path is: just hit the login button to get a note that happens to mention garage.maemo.org, guess that might be a helpful destination | 17:03 |
| Disconnect | ok gotta get on the road soon. laterz al | 17:04 |
| Disconnect | l | 17:04 |
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| fysafysa | maybe I will try irssi-proxy, X-Chat and bitlbee. this way I can access the same IRC/IM session from everywhere.. | 17:04 |
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| Tak | fysafysa: that's what I do, except s/irssi-proxy/dircproxy/ | 17:06 |
| * sp3000 grubles something about the consistency of wikicreates vs bugzilla_reported | 17:08 | |
| * sp3000 grumbles, too | 17:08 | |
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| lardman | what's up sp3000? | 17:09 |
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| sp3000 | hmm nothing much | 17:10 |
| _Monkey | i guess nothing much is compiled for vfp, certainly libm isn't | 17:10 |
| * sp3000 sobs | 17:11 | |
| sp3000 | _Monkey: forget nothing much | 17:11 |
| _Monkey | sp3000: I forgot nothing much | 17:11 |
| sp3000 | _Monkey: nothing much is <reply> | 17:11 |
| _Monkey | OK, sp3000. | 17:11 |
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| lardman | he does come up with some little random bits of knowledge though :) | 17:11 |
| fysakk | dircproxy looks slick. would be nice to not have to setup irssi. | 17:11 |
| sp3000 | _Monkey: have a pretzel | 17:11 |
| _Monkey | sp3000: what? | 17:11 |
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| sp3000 | _Monkey: a pretzel is a kind of respiratory aid | 17:12 |
| _Monkey | OK, sp3000. | 17:12 |
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| lardman | pretzel? | 17:15 |
| _Monkey | i heard pretzel was a kind of respiratory aid | 17:15 |
| lardman | lol | 17:15 |
| lardman | poor _Monkey | 17:16 |
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| * timeless sighs | 17:26 | |
| timeless | jaffa: actually, would it make more sense to only have one sheet? | 17:27 |
| timeless | i guess so | 17:27 |
| timeless | copying seems like a bad idea | 17:27 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: I like the make-it-italic and then ienter the details; copying doesn't seem worthwhile TBH. | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | BTW, question on line 38, sheet 1 ;-) | 17:28 |
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| timeless | the reason for the other tab is that at some point i'm going to dump a newer version of the noes | 17:31 |
| timeless | and i need some way to avoid destroying/disconnecting the reported items | 17:31 |
| timeless | i'll probably just move the reported ones to the top and remove them from the changelog | 17:32 |
| timeless | big file is 50% sent (ir sucks for sending data) | 17:32 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: #2210 raised | 17:37 |
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| timeless | myfile just arrived :) | 17:39 |
| timeless | and i think it crashes the inbox app:) | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | hehe | 17:41 |
| timeless | that wasn't quite the goal... | 17:42 |
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| timeless | ok, let's sneakernet usb the file using my n810... | 17:45 |
| timeless | how to load a file using the web browser via bluetooth | 17:45 |
| timeless | 1. remove mmc from e61i | 17:46 |
| timeless | 2. remove microsd adapter from minisdadapter from n800 | 17:46 |
| timeless | 4. insert mmc in microsd adapter, insert microsd adapter into n810 | 17:46 |
| timeless | 5. attach n810 to laptop | 17:46 |
| timeless | 6. copy file | 17:46 |
| timeless | 7. reverse steps | 17:46 |
| zoran | 0. use wifi | 17:47 |
| timeless | hrm | 17:47 |
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| timeless | the file started on a box that's not on a wifi net | 17:47 |
| timeless | box -1 | 17:47 |
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| timeless | i don't think the e61i supports smb | 17:47 |
| dubidubidub | may it be that maemo.org is down | 17:47 |
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| dubidubidub | i cannont GET https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1272/Media_Converter_Windows_1.43_setup.exe | 17:47 |
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| gla55 | timeless: theres a commercial smb solution for s60 | 17:47 |
| timeless | free or $$$ | 17:48 |
| * timeless suspects nokia won't pay for the $$$ one | 17:48 | |
| gla55 | $$$, dunno if they got a demo | 17:48 |
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| dubidubidub | does anyone have a mediaconverter setup lying around | 17:49 |
| dubidubidub | maybe even a 1.43_windows | 17:49 |
| gla55 | because of the signing shit it's not as useful when developing native stuff as it would have been on 2nd edition so havent really tried it | 17:49 |
| timeless | gah, i hit a snag | 17:50 |
| timeless | i can't remove the mmc from the n810 :( | 17:50 |
| c0ffee | :) | 17:51 |
| zoran | eh? | 17:51 |
| dubidubidub | timeless: have you tried to pull??? | 17:51 |
| zoran | rather push | 17:51 |
| dubidubidub | _Monkey: what is recursion? | 17:51 |
| _Monkey | well, recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when you think about recursion is when SEGFAULT! | 17:51 |
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| timeless | zoran: i pushed first | 17:54 |
| timeless | but the pulling part (after) didn't work right | 17:54 |
| timeless | and i got a hand witness | 17:54 |
| timeless | (eyes aren' useful for such bugs) | 17:54 |
| timeless | jaffa:ok, he message i gave you ... | 17:54 |
| timeless | is correct :) | 17:54 |
| timeless | it thankfully doesn't destroy the document | 17:55 |
| timeless | but as you of course guessed, it's modal :) | 17:55 |
| zoran | timess, broken part should be fixed to work flowlessly on and on | 17:56 |
| timeless | zoran: oh, for the next version i'm sure they'll do something completely different :) | 17:56 |
| timeless | all new bugs! | 17:56 |
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| zoran | I also experienced memory card prob this days and understand what do you think for yourself | 17:58 |
| timeless | (that's sarcasm certainty, i haven't seen nor do i know anything about what they're going to do, or if they're going to do anything, | 17:58 |
| timeless | nor could i say if i did know...) | 17:58 |
| zoran | he-he | 17:58 |
| zoran | and who they are at all | 17:58 |
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| dubidubidub | does anyone have a media converter setup for windows?? (at least) the garage-downloads are down!! | 18:00 |
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| dubidubidub | i need it to convert a movie i want to see when driving home today | 18:01 |
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| timeless | oh | 18:01 |
| timeless | what url? | 18:01 |
| timeless | timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/ sometimes has what you need | 18:01 |
| timeless | depending on whose project | 18:01 |
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| zoran | also, for some days I cannot get files from repository. Access denied for untrusted people. | 18:02 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/mediaconverter/www/ | 18:02 |
| zoran | so, I can't refresh app list on device | 18:02 |
| timeless | doesn't look like there's anything useful there, sorry | 18:02 |
| dubidubidub | timeless: i need a windows build | 18:02 |
| zoran | timeless, maybe you're right, but I still cannot refresh the lists | 18:03 |
| timeless | zoran: sorry, what i mean is that whereever they stored their data | 18:03 |
| zoran | k, I posted not so readable | 18:04 |
| zoran | I cannot use app manager to refresh lists | 18:04 |
| timeless | is not in the svn bit | 18:04 |
| timeless | because if it were, i'd be able to browse it from my server | 18:04 |
| zoran | go to: repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale and try to get something | 18:05 |
| timeless | /service | 18:05 |
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| timeless | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/source/a/acl/acl_2.2.23-1maemo1.dsc | 18:05 |
| timeless | wfm :) | 18:05 |
| zoran | go to debs | 18:06 |
| zoran | get any binary file | 18:06 |
| timeless | view-source:http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/b/base-files/base-files_3.1.osso2+3.1.10.osso4_armel.deb | 18:06 |
| timeless | wfm | 18:06 |
| timeless | !<arch> | 18:06 |
| zoran | got it? | 18:07 |
| timeless | not very pretty, but... | 18:07 |
| timeless | yes | 18:07 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: so you can see the document in its partiality after clearing the dialogue? | 18:07 |
| dubidubidub | zoran: timeless: what?? | 18:07 |
| timeless | jaffa: yeah | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | timeless: I'll add a comment clarifying. | 18:08 |
| timeless | web page details is odd though! | 18:08 |
| timeless | it says Size: {full size} | 18:08 |
| timeless | even though i don't have the full file | 18:08 |
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| timeless | note: I have no idea what expected results should be :) | 18:08 |
| timeless | also, the Address field in page details didn't elipsize :) | 18:09 |
| timeless | (it truncated) | 18:09 |
| timeless | no idea whether that's correct :) | 18:09 |
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| bedboi | http://downloads.maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 | 18:10 |
| timeless | you're kidding! | 18:11 |
| timeless | oh, good, 500 | 18:11 |
| timeless | good good | 18:11 |
| * timeless would hate to be late | 18:11 | |
| bedboi | :) | 18:11 |
| * timeless has ~100 lines left to deal w/ | 18:11 | |
| dubidubidub | timeless: http://www.simplythrifty.com/100-things-you-can-make-yourself/ | 18:11 |
| dubidubidub | is it possible that noone has a mediaconverer setup?!!? | 18:12 |
| zoran | forget it is | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | bedboi: We're still working on it at the moment. | 18:13 |
| bedboi | ah ok. | 18:13 |
| Jaffa | dubidubidub: I use 770-encode from the command line (or web interface through mediaserv) | 18:14 |
| bedboi | i don't care, just put a redirect | 18:14 |
| bedboi | or something | 18:14 |
| dubidubidub | Jaffa: so i would need pear on my windows? isn't that a little too much overhead? | 18:15 |
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| bedboi | if anyone is still not aware of this http://risujin.org/cellwriter/ | 18:16 |
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| penguinbait | exit | 18:20 |
| dubidubidub | :/ | 18:20 |
| dubidubidub | part | 18:20 |
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| penguinb8 | oops | 18:21 |
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| lopz | hola | 18:24 |
| _Monkey | que tal, lopz | 18:24 |
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| dubidubidub | _Monkey: what is _Monkey | 18:26 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it i am an annoying bot | 18:26 |
| dubidubidub | _Monkey: what is a bot | 18:26 |
| _Monkey | a bot is an automated program that people put on IRC to annoy other people | 18:26 |
| dubidubidub | _Monkey: what are other people | 18:26 |
| _Monkey | bugger all, i dunno, dubidubidub | 18:26 |
| penguinb8 | Monkey is bi-lingual? | 18:26 |
| dubidubidub | _Monkey: monkeys are bi | 18:26 |
| _Monkey | OK, dubidubidub. | 18:26 |
| dubidubidub | _Monkey: what are monkeys? | 18:26 |
| _Monkey | monkeys are bi | 18:26 |
| dubidubidub | _Monkey: try rm -rf on a root shell! | 18:27 |
| _Monkey | dubidubidub: excuse me? | 18:27 |
| dubidubidub | _Monkey: tell me more about penguinb8 | 18:27 |
| _Monkey | dubidubidub: what? | 18:27 |
| dubidubidub | _Monkey: what is penguinb8 | 18:27 |
| _Monkey | dubidubidub: no idea | 18:27 |
| dubidubidub | hmpg | 18:27 |
| dubidubidub | hmpf | 18:27 |
| dubidubidub | _Monkey: what is the answer? | 18:28 |
| _Monkey | i think the answer is 42. but what is the question | 18:28 |
| bedboi | anyone has any clue about why the heck gtk developers do not spawn a thread when a GtkFileChooser widget is shown? | 18:28 |
| dubidubidub | bedboi: no | 18:28 |
| zoran | you set variable monkeys t obi | 18:28 |
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| bedboi | it's so stupid | 18:28 |
| bedboi | QT (i hate QT) is very fast in doing that | 18:28 |
| bedboi | in fact, GTK file chooser is not usable | 18:28 |
| bedboi | at all | 18:28 |
| Tak | most of the time filechooser is modal - why spawn a thread for a modal dialog? | 18:29 |
| bedboi | Tak: the point is "IT IS DAMN SLOW" | 18:29 |
| bedboi | it's so damn fucking slow. | 18:29 |
| penguinb8 | anyone get qt4.3 compiled in scratchbox yet? | 18:29 |
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| lardman | SVG support, is that done in software? | 18:30 |
| c0ffee | this one mail sounds as if it was the mozilla svg engine | 18:30 |
| timeless | file systems, e.g. nfs | 18:30 |
| bedboi | Tak: i think that's the slowest implementation of a file chooser that i ever saw in my life. it make me feel bad. | 18:30 |
| c0ffee | which would be software | 18:30 |
| timeless | tend to be blocking in sucky ways | 18:30 |
| timeless | spawning threads is the only safe way to deal w/ them | 18:30 |
| sp3000 | dunno, I'd look weird if I spawned a thread every time someone used software I wrote | 18:30 |
| lardman | c0ffee: that was the reply though | 18:30 |
| lardman | c0ffee: the powervr does svg acceleration too | 18:31 |
| c0ffee | yeah | 18:31 |
| c0ffee | i somehow doubt that there will be powervr support | 18:31 |
| Tak | bedboi: probably they should just improve the implementation then... | 18:31 |
| c0ffee | (in an OSS component as mozilla) | 18:31 |
| lardman | c0ffee: no, there's no driver for it, but one can live in hope | 18:31 |
| * sp3000 was under the impression that the filechooser had a whole army of threads | 18:32 | |
| timeless | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/78 | 18:32 |
| lardman | c0ffee: no driver on the n810 that is, ones for 2.6.x do exist | 18:32 |
| timeless | eep, wrong window | 18:32 |
| bedboi | timeless: even without taking into account slow filesystems, you don't need to be a genius to understand that if you have a very large amount (>1000) files in a directory you need something asynchronous dealing it | 18:32 |
| robtaylor | if: yes, the binary translation will work in any target | 18:32 |
| bedboi | i can provide a math proof for that :) (joking) | 18:32 |
| timeless | sp3000: iirc closer to 10 :) | 18:32 |
| timeless | which is a fairly large army as things go | 18:32 |
| robtaylor | if: oops, i was miles behind | 18:33 |
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| bedboi | i tend to get a coffee each time i have to open or save a file within a Gtk application, which makes me nervous as a side effect. | 18:33 |
| * suihkulokki waves at robtaylor | 18:34 | |
| robtaylor | suihkulokki: hey :) | 18:34 |
| robtaylor | suihkulokki: nice to see some progress getting made on debian armel :) | 18:34 |
| sp3000 | bedboi: you can type into it while it's scanning | 18:34 |
| sp3000 | unless you use an ancient version | 18:35 |
| c0ffee | i want a n810 too :( | 18:35 |
| bedboi | and plus, add that now i'm in france, coffee sucks here. | 18:35 |
| c0ffee | true :) | 18:35 |
| sp3000 | it does seem to do too much work too slowly before displaying the list | 18:35 |
| bedboi | yep. | 18:35 |
| bedboi | try to open /usr/share/doc | 18:36 |
| suihkulokki | robtaylor: so what do you want to help with? :P | 18:36 |
| bedboi | or /usr/bin | 18:36 |
| bedboi | you are quite dead | 18:36 |
| sp3000 | but I'm not terribly fond of the hildon solution where a random item that happens to appear first gets selected and then items randomly appear into random positions and you end up in a very random unstable place until it settles | 18:36 |
| robtaylor | suihkulokki: heh, what needs help? :) | 18:36 |
| sp3000 | so basically you have something to look at while it's doing stuff but it's not very useful | 18:36 |
| lardman | sp3000: yep, that's annoying, esp as it takes such a long time to populate the list | 18:36 |
| suihkulokki | robtaylor: http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2007/11/msg00001.html | 18:36 |
| sp3000 | and it's surely slower in doing its thing because it's showing you its variant of a defrag.exe hypno clone | 18:37 |
| bedboi | now it's more than 1 minute | 18:37 |
| Tak | yeah, I agree with sp3000 about the problems of asynchronous display | 18:37 |
| bedboi | lol, now it's two minutes and the filechooser is unresponsive | 18:37 |
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| timeless | use the web browser to browse your file system ;-) | 18:38 |
| bedboi | timeless: i always use rox | 18:38 |
| sp3000 | bedboi: sounds like a version from a year or two back? | 18:38 |
| bedboi | in order to work around fucking stupid gtkfilechooser | 18:38 |
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| bedboi | sp3000: i use debian sid | 18:38 |
| bedboi | upgraded today | 18:38 |
| zoran | or mc? | 18:38 |
| sp3000 | bedboi: interesting, I don't get it unresponsive, but then I seldom wait for it to list things but tell it what I want directly | 18:39 |
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| bedboi | sp3000: 2.12.1-1 | 18:39 |
| bedboi | it's still unresponsive | 18:39 |
| bedboi | firefox is 99.9% of CPU | 18:40 |
| sp3000 | but really, it should be: list dents, show tree, update details async | 18:40 |
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| bedboi | it's a cool denial of service | 18:40 |
| bedboi | just open a gtk file chooser pointing to /usr/bin | 18:40 |
| sp3000 | bedboi: took about 12 secs | 18:41 |
| media2 | anyone here using dircproxy? | 18:41 |
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| bedboi | sp3000: there must be something terribly wrong with me. | 18:42 |
| bedboi | btw i don't see why | 18:42 |
| bedboi | i don't have libgtk in my usr/local/lib | 18:42 |
| suihkulokki | why would it be in *local* ? | 18:43 |
| Tak | ...because it's in /usr/lib ? | 18:43 |
| Tak | media2: I am | 18:43 |
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| bedboi | Tak: i know that | 18:43 |
| fysamobi | Tak: how are you launching it on the server? | 18:43 |
| sp3000 | that was fx "open file" fwiw, I suppose it could do more work if it was filtering +x or something | 18:43 |
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| fysamobi | Tak: I ran it once and it worked, conneted from a client, then when I closed the client the server quit. | 18:43 |
| Tak | fysamobi: I have an init script | 18:43 |
| sp3000 | hmm, no | 18:44 |
| * sp3000 shrugs | 18:44 | |
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| fysamobi | ah, found an init script | 18:45 |
| Tak | fysamobi: is "disconnect_on_detach" set in dircproxyrc ? | 18:45 |
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| fysamobi | I think I figured it out. | 18:48 |
| fysamobi | was running as a local user, so had to specify pid_file in ~ instead of the default. | 18:49 |
| fysamobi | found the cronchk.sh script for keeping dircproxy running from crontab | 18:49 |
| AaronL3 | hi, anyone here know if it is too late to file a submission for the N810 device program? I couldn't find a way to do so. | 18:49 |
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| AaronL3 | There was no "place" to submit a ticket from my profile. | 18:49 |
| fysamobi | for some reason I have a mental block about checking /usr/share/doc/packagename/ -- I usually just google. :P | 18:50 |
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| fysakk | test | 18:51 |
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| fysamobi | hmm. | 18:51 |
| timeless | fysamobi: maybe because nokia strips that? :) | 18:54 |
| fysamobi | timeless: on my ubuntu server :) | 18:54 |
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| fysamobi | ah | 18:56 |
| fysamobi | there we go. | 18:56 |
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| * fysakk test | 18:56 | |
| zoran | interesting replication, just like amaebas do | 18:57 |
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| zoran | looking at my depot directory, I found Cron.pm module. have I started something with that on this channel? | 19:00 |
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| fysamobi | Cron.pm? | 19:02 |
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| zoran | perl module from cpan | 19:02 |
| fysamobi | There is a tiny cron/crontab available for busybox. I don't know why Maemo just doesn't include it.. | 19:02 |
| zoran | I turn off my 770, so I have just teorethical interest | 19:03 |
| fysamobi | but you can compile it as 'busybox2' and ln -s crond /usr/bin/busybox2 | 19:03 |
| fysamobi | what would be nice is some way to hook cron into alarmd.. | 19:03 |
| fysamobi | then you could schedule a cron task to potentially wake up your device, execute, then turn it back off again. | 19:03 |
| fysamobi | would be nice for syncing.. | 19:04 |
| zoran | I found perl/python more close to my heart | 19:04 |
| zoran | hey, what do you mean "wake up"? | 19:04 |
| zoran | no power down? | 19:04 |
| ||cw | bring it out of suspend | 19:04 |
| fysamobi | well, we're comparing apples and oranges here. a busybox cron would use maybe 50kb more space/RAM | 19:04 |
| fysamobi | python/perl cron would use something in the order of a megabyte or more. | 19:05 |
| fysamobi | such is the glory of busybox | 19:05 |
| zoran | hm, 44762 | 19:05 |
| fysamobi | but yeah, alarmd lets you schedule power management events to bring your device out of sleep. | 19:05 |
| zoran | is there a diff between 770 and 800 in that matter? | 19:06 |
| fysamobi | don't believe so | 19:08 |
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| timeless | sp3000: for kicks, try this | 19:09 |
| timeless | load: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/patches/?root=browser | 19:09 |
| fysamobi | http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=security&seqNum=249&rl=1 | 19:09 |
| timeless | enter "705" in the box by "set" | 19:09 |
| timeless | and click "set" | 19:09 |
| fysamobi | search for 'busybox2' | 19:09 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: I suppose that intends to be a redirect | 19:11 |
| sp3000 | except it forgets to emit a header or something | 19:11 |
| zoran | fysamobi, search.cpan.org/src/ROLAND/Schedule-Cron-0.97/README | 19:11 |
| * sp3000 giggles at the log messages | 19:12 | |
| sp3000 | "Added missing part". | 19:12 |
| zoran | green wizard from mmc added that? | 19:13 |
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| L0cutus | http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/live-coverage-of-googles-android-gphone-mobile-os-announcement/ | 19:19 |
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| timeless | cool | 19:35 |
| timeless | android can replace maemo :) | 19:35 |
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| ||cw | maybe | 19:36 |
| Jaffa | It doesn't seem entirely clear on what it actually *is* | 19:37 |
| |R | Apache v2 license... | 19:37 |
| |R | i wonder what the result will be | 19:37 |
| timeless | it's an os written w/ a better license (apache) | 19:37 |
| |R | <flamewar> | 19:38 |
| |R | haha | 19:38 |
| ||cw | wonder how it differs from openmoko | 19:38 |
| timeless | real backing? :) | 19:39 |
| Jaffa | :) | 19:39 |
| ||cw | technically I mean | 19:39 |
| Jaffa | It's a vapourware announcement tho'. | 19:39 |
| ||cw | they said the sdk will be available in 2 weeks | 19:39 |
| |R | on the 12 | 19:40 |
| |R | 1 week :) | 19:40 |
| timeless | motorola, htc, samsung, lg | 19:40 |
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| Jaffa | ||cw: true, but no screenshots or any technical detail yet. It sounds more like a mission statement atm | 19:40 |
| ||cw | oh, right, one week, dunno why i remeberd 2 | 19:40 |
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| dolfun | do you have so little understanding | 19:41 |
| timeless | ok, the kids are really cute | 19:43 |
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| Jaffa | dolfun; ? | 19:44 |
| dolfun | "i'd rather see mobs beating lawyers, rather than the state itself" - Scott Horton | 19:45 |
| VRe__ | web-browser-phone? Whats new.. devices out by next summer or not | 19:45 |
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| VRe__ | Looks like something where maemo could go if it would be on device with phone-chip | 19:48 |
| timeless | vre: a non suckilly licensed phone is a big deal | 19:48 |
| timeless | lgpl is a sucky license | 19:48 |
| VRe__ | timeless: depends what you need it for | 19:49 |
| |R | what does the alliance wins (except for google) if everyone can just take their code and not give back, ever...? | 19:49 |
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| dolfun | free code is the front line of the fight against evil | 19:50 |
| |R | (but i see this turning into a bsd vs gpl ;) | 19:50 |
| gla55 | it's not like it's the first linux for mobiles alliance either | 19:50 |
| VRe__ | I wonder what the apis will be like, it is nesessary to invent the weel again to do a bit ui | 19:50 |
| VRe__ | but sure it'll kick some symbalium ass anyday | 19:51 |
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| * Jaffa reckons it's about the fourth or fifth Linux phone alliance. Now, that's not to say it won't be successful or not, but not everything Google touches turns to gold (c.f. Orkut) | 19:53 | |
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| VRe__ | operators want to get rid of big phonesuppliers, so they can generic pc-phones and lock them down and keep the money. Underdogs phonesuppliers want to get atleast some part of the market.. | 19:55 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. When at IBM I was peripherally involved in a big proof-of-concept project for an operator who felt too the phone manufacturers like Nokia & SE had way too much control. | 19:56 |
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| gla55 | there's just not anything new about this alliance from the previous one's.. | 19:59 |
| gla55 | and the companies involved are involved in other things as well | 19:59 |
| gla55 | moto has a spoon in every os soup there is, including their own closed linux juix | 20:00 |
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| Jaffa | Indeed, I'd say they're hoping to ride Google's coattails, rather than being convinced about an open platform. | 20:00 |
| gla55 | and because of nature of "android" we can't really know what the devices are untill they ship. if we're able to build applications for them or not even | 20:00 |
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| massoud | Hi there | 20:17 |
| massoud | wanted to install the bluesnarf toolkit on my N770 | 20:17 |
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| massoud | or the bluetooth stack hack tools on it ... any hints ? | 20:17 |
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| harkonen | anyone know what the maemo users IRC channel is? | 20:48 |
| gla55 | hmm? | 20:49 |
| gla55 | isn't it this | 20:50 |
| c0ffee | well, taking into account that maemo is a development platform, users are mostly developers, right? :) | 20:50 |
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| c0ffee | but it's common to talk about tablet os specific stuff here | 20:51 |
| harkonen_ | does anyone know how to change teh lock code on an N800? | 20:51 |
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| harkonen_ | or rather set a lock code. | 20:51 |
| trevarthan | What's the best format for ebooks with fbreader? | 20:51 |
| trevarthan | fbreader? | 20:51 |
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| harkonen | or even just how to reset the N800 back to a default install. i inherited one from someone and would love to just get back to default and start from there. | 20:53 |
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| |R | harkonen: can't you just flash it then? | 20:55 |
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| harkonen__ | it doesn't help that my internet seems to be spotty here at work..... | 20:57 |
| harkonen__ | R: probably could. how do i do that? just download maemo and install it via my Linux box? | 20:57 |
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| Juhaz | yes | 20:58 |
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| Juhaz | http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 | 20:59 |
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| Juhaz | apple can't afford working internet connection ?-) | 21:02 |
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| L0cutus | we need a _fantastic_ today screen with calendar events,todo,appointments etc :) | 21:11 |
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| disq | and tabs. | 21:14 |
| disq | i don't get why we still don't have tabs in the home screen | 21:14 |
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| VRe__ | Can only say, L0cutus, amen.. | 21:37 |
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| keesj | some kind of chandler | 22:45 |
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| ds3 | does the retu-adc.c code really work? seems to be getting odd values back when running it | 22:58 |
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| p| | isn't possible to set bluetooth on n800 to accept multiple-files and save them always to the same directory ? | 23:09 |
| legind | hey, rc#.d and init.d operate the same in maemo as in linux normally right? | 23:09 |
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| inz | legind, yeah | 23:22 |
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| rubiks | hello | 23:26 |
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