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| celesteh | so if i copy a mono application binary to a memory card on my n800, it should run, provided that i have the right mono stuff installed? | 00:13 |
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| toed | there's a pretty embarrassing spelling mistake in maemo blocks, any idea where I could report it? | 00:19 |
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| tru_ | is there a "better" terminal for maemo than the osso-terminal? it seems to waste a lot of space... | 00:24 |
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| roope | toed: bugzilla. | 00:28 |
| _Monkey | bugzilla is, like, https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi | 00:28 |
| celesteh | vmware is opensource. ergo, i should be able to use it without having to make a purchase? | 00:29 |
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| touchtone | hi guys! im just starting this process and im having a bit of trouble, when i try and start xephyr using the af-sb-init.sh start command it gives me a bunch of errors; ŕunner no such directory... can anyone help me ? | 01:13 |
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| touchtone | hi guys! im just starting this process and im having a bit of trouble, when i try and start xephyr using the af-sb-init.sh start command it gives me a bunch of errors; ŕunner no such directory... can anyone help me ? | 01:19 |
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| celesteh | what is the contents of the .sh script? | 01:20 |
| touchtone | well, i dont really know | 01:21 |
| touchtone | i can start xephyr outside of sbox fine | 01:21 |
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| celesteh | i don't know what xephr is, but if you're getting a no such directory error, there might be something amiss with the script. like it could be referencing a directory which doesn't exist | 01:22 |
| touchtone | im following a tutorial off maemo.org about launce by defaulthing the application framework.... it hadnt meantioned creating a sh script so I had assumed it was ther | 01:22 |
| touchtone | xephyr is a window manager | 01:22 |
| celesteh | if you're running the script, then the script itself must exist. however, it could be trying to access something else which does not | 01:23 |
| touchtone | im trying to develop a maemo app for a nokia 770 device, is there an easier way than through sbox | 01:24 |
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| celesteh | some folks write stuff in python directly on the 770 | 01:24 |
| touchtone | the script itself appears to launch, howver it seems to have problems loading maemo desktop, matchbox window manager etc... | 01:25 |
| celesteh | and it's possible to write mono apps which run on the n800/770, but i'm having trouble with that | 01:25 |
| touchtone | hmmm.... | 01:26 |
| celesteh | but most development uses scratchbox which is an extra pain in the ass for me on a macintosh :( | 01:26 |
| touchtone | scratchbox doesnt load under osx? | 01:26 |
| celesteh | nope. only linux | 01:26 |
| celesteh | some of the libs it wants are tied to the kernel | 01:27 |
| touchtone | have you tried through terminal, osx is darwin linux... for fear of repeating somehting you may know... | 01:27 |
| touchtone | im talking about something for which i know very little so please excuse... ;) | 01:27 |
| celesteh | i tried compiling it, but couldn't compile all the dependencies. i gave up after many, many hours | 01:27 |
| touchtone | ah | 01:27 |
| celesteh | so, i'm trying to download an image for an emulator right now. | 01:27 |
| celesteh | anyway | 01:27 |
| touchtone | that would be my next suggestion, run it on a virtual machine like parralells | 01:28 |
| celesteh | i'm evaluating VMWare fusion right now. hopefully, it will work | 01:28 |
| touchtone | well good luck | 01:29 |
| celesteh | anyway, i don't know anything about your problem, but when i'm debugging, i usually start with the launching script | 01:29 |
| celesteh | there should be less (or more) for scratchbox, so you can view the contents | 01:30 |
| * henno giggles.. "osx is darwin linux" | 01:35 | |
| celesteh | well, it is unix, even if it's not linux | 01:37 |
| henno | darwin is darwin, if nothing else it is a flavor of bsd | 01:37 |
| celesteh | it is bsd, yes. the next version will be certified as unix | 01:38 |
| henno | but doesn't have much in common with the linux kernel beyond it's unix-like structure | 01:38 |
| * celesteh used to be a nextstep system administrator and could drone on about the history of the kernel | 01:38 | |
| celesteh | no, a bunch of the libs are really different, which is why scratchbox won't compile | 01:38 |
| * henno reminisces | 01:38 | |
| celesteh | the mach kernel, developed at CMU in the 80's originally did bsd emulation | 01:39 |
| celesteh | sometime between NeXTSTEP 3.x and Mac OS X, they dropped mach in favor of real bsd | 01:40 |
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| henno | darwin still has some roots in the mach microkernel does it not? | 01:40 |
| Deformati | A lot of roots. | 01:40 |
| Deformati | ;p | 01:40 |
| henno | best move they ever did | 01:40 |
| celesteh | i don't know. i haven't seen mach mentioned at all in any docs for os x | 01:41 |
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| * Deformati hates mac. | 01:41 | |
| celesteh | all the man pages talk about bsd. so i was assuming they dropped it | 01:41 |
| celesteh | hate if you want. its an extremely reliable unix machine | 01:41 |
| henno | hmm.. maybe I am fill of it and just getting confused, but I somewhat remember discussing the mach elements burried somewhere in darwin | 01:41 |
| henno | but many a beer has been through this brain since then, so meh | 01:42 |
| Deformati | "We love OSS, look how much we use" "what have you given back?" "Give back? What do you mean?" | 01:42 |
| celesteh | i would not be at all surprised. it's trippy running nextstep again | 01:42 |
| Deformati | Mac, making us pay for free software since osx. ;) | 01:42 |
| celesteh | darwin is floss, but the window manager and whatnot are not | 01:43 |
| henno | in their defense, they have contributed a bit of work upstream to the KHTML devs | 01:43 |
| Deformati | They discontinued opendarwin. | 01:44 |
| Deformati | They cannot be defended. | 01:44 |
| celesteh | i know i should care . . . | 01:44 |
| celesteh | it's just so nice having a computer that actually works | 01:44 |
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| * Deformati shrugs. | 01:44 | |
| celesteh | i don't have to hack on it or struggle with it. it just works | 01:45 |
| Deformati | Linux works fine for me, then again, it took me a few weeks to learn back when I started. | 01:45 |
| celesteh | (unlike certain tablet pcs which are something of a time sink) | 01:45 |
| touchtone | ill second that, not a single problem with osx software wise so far | 01:45 |
| Deformati | Ever since then, I have never had anything I struggled with really. | 01:45 |
| henno | my computer works, and has worked for 6 years :) | 01:45 |
| celesteh | yeah. i do audio production and computer music. i've heard rumors that this is actually possible now on linux | 01:46 |
| Deformati | henno: proc? | 01:46 |
| Deformati | I have had amd athlon xp for 6 years. | 01:46 |
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| henno | Deformati: I agree, I am actually more 'lost' within a windows or mac envirnment these days | 01:46 |
| * henno rocks the thlon XP | 01:47 | |
| henno | s/thlon/athlon/ | 01:47 |
| Deformati | :D | 01:47 |
| Deformati | High five. | 01:47 |
| henno | 2100xp | 01:47 |
| Deformati | Dude!! | 01:47 |
| Deformati | You are an archer too! | 01:47 |
| Deformati | :D | 01:47 |
| celesteh | i will put linux on my intel mac in the future. | 01:47 |
| saaib | My AMD Athlon 1800 last forever! | 01:48 |
| henno | I can't bring myself to get rid of it, it just keeps going and going, and I do not need dual core super GHz multi-cpu systems for my purposes | 01:48 |
| henno | indeed I am | 01:48 |
| Deformati | I think I have an 1800, don't remember | 01:48 |
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| Deformati | Arch is great. | 01:49 |
| celesteh | ok, time for me to sleep | 01:49 |
| henno | Deformati: only a recent-ish convert actually - switched to arch from slackware | 01:49 |
| celesteh | is slackware still around? | 01:49 |
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| Deformati | That's cool. | 01:49 |
| Deformati | I have been an archer for over a year now. | 01:49 |
| henno | celesteh: of course it is | 01:50 |
| celesteh | is arch like slackware? | 01:50 |
| Deformati | No. | 01:50 |
| henno | I have been on arch for maybe 6 months | 01:50 |
| celesteh | everybody is running ubuntu these days, but compiling the kernel on it is craptastic | 01:50 |
| henno | before that it was slackware, and before that it was redhat 7.1 :P | 01:50 |
| henno | well, it does use a BSD-style init script system | 01:51 |
| celesteh | but if you don't compile the kernel, it's just as bloated as micr$oft | 01:51 |
| * henno slaps sysv | 01:51 | |
| touchtone | can anyone help me getting xephyr running in sandbox | 01:51 |
| celesteh | ok, now i sleep | 01:51 |
| touchtone | scratchbox | 01:51 |
| celesteh | night all | 01:51 |
| _Monkey | scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O | 01:51 |
| touchtone | haha | 01:51 |
| henno | the reason I originally went slackware back in 99 or 200 or some such was because the vanilla kernel works perfectly | 01:51 |
| henno | s/200/2000/ | 01:52 |
| infobot | henno meant: the reason I originally went slackware back in 99 or 2000 or some such was because the vanilla kernel works perfectly | 01:52 |
| Deformati | Arch used to support vanilla kernel, I don't know about the current status of it. | 01:52 |
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| henno | Deformati: the vanilla kernel on arch works fine (at least for me) | 01:52 |
| henno | I am in love with the fakeroot/makepkg system | 01:53 |
| Deformati | Yeah, it's great. | 01:53 |
| henno | so easy to build my own packages | 01:53 |
| saaib | touchtone, you're not forced to run Xephyr inside scratchbox... all you need is an X display where to send your apps from scratchbox | 01:53 |
| Deformati | Unfortunate that the 770 is debian based | 01:53 |
| Deformati | So, what is the 770 missing? What can I make for it? The first thing I am going to need to do is get the d programming language up and running on ARM. | 01:54 |
| saaib | Deformati, you mean the compiler? | 01:55 |
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| touchtone | im running through the tutorial on v2.2 and i have no other way of getting into the enviroment without it... | 01:56 |
| Deformati | saaib: yes. | 01:57 |
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| Deformati | What else is needed? | 01:57 |
| saaib | touchtone, well, the tutorial is a little screwed afaik, but if you have Xephyr in your host, you can just run: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac | 01:57 |
| Deformati | I have fairly extensive experience in the X11 protocol. | 01:57 |
| saaib | Deformati, setup your enviroment as the Maemo tutorial (v2.2) states. | 01:58 |
| Deformati | Does the 770 follow the icccm? | 01:58 |
| touchtone | i can get xephyr to run outside of scratchbox, when it starts however it complains about could not find font element | 01:59 |
| touchtone | what i am after is to create a simple button gui is scratch the bestway to go ahead with that | 02:01 |
| saaib | touchtone, go ahead and compile your code inside scratchbox, before running the binary, don't forget to set DISPLAY=:2 | 02:06 |
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| pupnik | touchtone: you run xephyr outside of scratchbox | 02:15 |
| pupnik | always | 02:15 |
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| Deformati | Hm, I plan to treat my 770 as a laptop. | 03:05 |
| micky_ | hi people | 03:05 |
| micky_ | is this a technical channel? | 03:06 |
| nomis | micky_: yeah. | 03:06 |
| micky_ | great | 03:06 |
| nomis | it also is a quiet channel at the moment :) | 03:06 |
| * Deformati has to wait 2-3 days for his 770 to ship. | 03:06 | |
| Deformati | :( | 03:06 |
| micky_ | I been trying to get an answer for a few days to no avail | 03:06 |
| micky_ | it is a bout some kernel features | 03:07 |
| henno | Deformati: I just purchased a bluetooth keyboard for that very purpose | 03:07 |
| micky_ | so you know who might know about that stuff? | 03:07 |
| Deformati | henno: :D | 03:07 |
| Deformati | micky_: Lunis | 03:07 |
| nomis | micky_: just ask and you might find someone who knows. | 03:07 |
| micky_ | thx a lot Defomati | 03:07 |
| micky_ | thanks to you too nomis | 03:08 |
| Deformati | ._. | 03:08 |
| Deformati | henno: lemmi know how that works out. | 03:08 |
| micky_ | I've tried a few times nomis | 03:08 |
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| micky_ | :-) | 03:08 |
| Deformati | After my 770 arrives, if it is functional, which it better be or I will cry. I am going to buy 3 1gb cards. | 03:09 |
| henno | Deformati: will do. I mainly want to be able to deal with server issues on the move - which I can do currently, but tapping around in xterm with a stylus is giving me the shits | 03:09 |
| Deformati | Then I will also purchase a bluetooth keyboard. | 03:09 |
| Deformati | Wtf @ xterm | 03:10 |
| Deformati | Hasn't rxvt been ported yet? | 03:10 |
| nomis | micky_: frankly, I have absolutely no interest in starting a hunt on where you might have asked that question already. | 03:10 |
| micky_ | no problem nomis :) | 03:11 |
| henno | Deformati: well there is a first task for you :) | 03:11 |
| Deformati | And does the 770 abide by the icccm? God I hope not, that thing is godawful. | 03:11 |
| henno | once you get your 770 that is | 03:11 |
| Deformati | Xterm is the shittiest terminal ever made, like, I cannot even begin to describe. ._. | 03:11 |
| Deformati | Maybe I will make my owm term via GTK+ | 03:12 |
| henno | Deformati: konsole? gnome-terminal? | 03:12 |
| henno | the shittiness abounds | 03:12 |
| Deformati | konsole is good | 03:12 |
| Deformati | xterm is horrid. | 03:12 |
| henno | hmm...please explain | 03:13 |
| henno | what konsole does better than xterm I mean | 03:13 |
| RushPL | much faster | 03:14 |
| Deformati | Not much to explain, xterm was just about the first X windowing system app made, and it set forth these horrible standards that we now must follow for backwards compatibility, it is very bloated, high memory usage, etc etc. | 03:14 |
| henno | maybe its resources, because for it's feature set xterm is not exactly sparing on resources | 03:14 |
| Deformati | Xterm wasn't really made for real use. | 03:14 |
| henno | RushPL: yeah exactly | 03:14 |
| Deformati | Just to display what X is capable of. | 03:14 |
| Deformati | Explains it poorly. | 03:14 |
| Deformati | s/explains/displays | 03:14 |
| RushPL | henno: konsole is faster | 03:14 |
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| henno | RushPL: I am aware of that, I was agreeing with you | 03:15 |
| RushPL | ok | 03:15 |
| RushPL | I thought that you misunderstood | 03:15 |
| Deformati | Xterm causes a world of mess, compare xterm with rxvt, there is a reason that all terminals are derived from rxvt, NOT xterm | 03:15 |
| RushPL | :) | 03:15 |
| Deformati | But people do not know the internals of xterm, so it continues to be used. | 03:15 |
| RushPL | http://martin.ankerl.com/2007/09/01/comprehensive-linux-terminal-performance-comparison/ | 03:16 |
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| RushPL | "xterm is the slowest terminal. While it is probably the most widely used term, the only slower terminal is Microsoft Window’s cmd.exe! Each instance requires 16 MB RAM, which is a lot in comparison to other terms with similar features." | 03:16 |
| RushPL | according to comments, whey haven't listed “mrxvt", which is supposed to be quite fast. | 03:17 |
| Deformati | I know the Eterm dev. | 03:18 |
| Deformati | Kinda arrogant. | 03:18 |
| Deformati | Eterm is ugly anyways. | 03:18 |
| henno | I hav enever liked eterm.. although to be honest I never really gave it an honest go either | 03:19 |
| Deformati | Since the 770 has very little ram, that is why I was shocked to see that rxvt has not been ported. | 03:19 |
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| RushPL | just wonder, how fast is the mmc card? | 03:20 |
| Deformati | Dunno. | 03:20 |
| Deformati | I hear you can put a swapspace on it. | 03:21 |
| Deformati | I wonder if I can get wear leveling set up. | 03:21 |
| Deformati | Wear leveling would be hella useful for the mmc cards. | 03:21 |
| RushPL | I have an ARMv9 at home at achieves like 2.5MB/s read from a pendrive and about 6MB/s from an integrated 16-bit NAND-flash. | 03:21 |
| RushPL | so I just wonder if the reader on Nokia is any better. | 03:22 |
| RushPL | Deformati: there are filesystems doing wear levelling. | 03:22 |
| Deformati | I know. | 03:22 |
| RushPL | some pendrives do it by hardware | 03:23 |
| Deformati | Does the kernel already have the proper module for it? | 03:23 |
| Deformati | What filesystem must it be formatted as? | 03:23 |
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| RushPL | I know of jffs being good, the only disadvanantage is a long mounting time, and increases O(n) where n is the amout of data. | 03:24 |
| Deformati | Hmm. | 03:25 |
| RushPL | I don't want to guess what's default on Nokia. | 03:25 |
| Deformati | Will be something to look into soon after ] | 03:25 |
| RushPL | I'd better wait for it :P | 03:25 |
| Deformati | it arrives | 03:25 |
| Deformati | We have got to pimp out the 770 RushPL, xD | 03:25 |
| Deformati | I might even design a full new DE. | 03:25 |
| Deformati | Just to avoid icccm hell. | 03:26 |
| RushPL | there are already many maemo apps, a new DE would mean a lot of work. | 03:27 |
| saaib | henno, what BT keyboard did you buy? | 03:27 |
| Deformati | RushPL: most of the apps should be easy to port. | 03:27 |
| Deformati | I mean. | 03:28 |
| Deformati | Much of the icccm stuff is handled by gtk+ so just rewriting gtk+ will make a huge difference. | 03:28 |
| Deformati | Only thing that sucks about that is that it must be done in C. | 03:28 |
| Deformati | Not D. | 03:28 |
| Deformati | So much to do, this is gonna be so much fun. | 03:28 |
| Deformati | Port D, get wear leveling, gui stuff. | 03:29 |
| Deformati | Play around with arm ASM | 03:29 |
| Deformati | Omg. | 03:29 |
| Deformati | And rxvt too | 03:29 |
| RushPL | Deformati: I'm not targetting that high, but definitely I'm gonna play with it. :) | 03:29 |
| Deformati | Heh, 3 projects | 03:32 |
| Deformati | Yage, slate, and 770 stuffies | 03:32 |
| Deformati | I guess the 770 stuff and slate can be merged at some point. | 03:32 |
| Deformati | Since slate should support arm. | 03:32 |
| henno | saaib: stowaway bt keyboard | 03:33 |
| Deformati | But that would be at least 1-2 years away. | 03:33 |
| RushPL | I have my paid work + ARF + gonna do something with 770. Oh, and not to mention my studies. :( | 03:33 |
| Deformati | Yeah, I got school too. | 03:33 |
| Deformati | But the great thing about the 770 development, I can do it from anywhere. | 03:33 |
| henno | dell branded, but basically a thinkoutside | 03:33 |
| Deformati | Where yage and slate, I need to be on my desktop. | 03:33 |
| Deformati | So the 770 dev will likeley get the most work done. | 03:34 |
| RushPL | Deformati: you man like developing for 770 on 770? | 03:34 |
| RushPL | without the scratchbox | 03:34 |
| Deformati | Yes. | 03:34 |
| Deformati | That is why gdc is needed. | 03:35 |
| Deformati | :D | 03:35 |
| Deformati | Lightning fast compile times. | 03:35 |
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| rwhitby | can someone tell me what the file owner and permissions are on /etc/apt/sources.list normally? | 03:53 |
| rwhitby | The application manager GUI is complaining that it can't save changes, and I expect I might have inadvertently modified the permissions on /etc/apt/sources.list by modifying it as root via ssh. | 03:54 |
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| henno | rwhitby: I have -rw-r--r-- and root:root | 04:17 |
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| redmonk | hello. 770-newbie here. can someone explain where hildon-libs0 and libosso1 come from? | 04:43 |
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| Blacksitox | buenos dias | 04:59 |
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| rwhitby | henno: thx - looks like that's not the problem then | 05:47 |
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| Blacksitox | bye | 06:49 |
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| qnr-lt | ok, I must be totally braindead, but where is bzip2? Or lacking that, how else can I extract .bz2 on my N800? | 08:21 |
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| henno | qnr-lt: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalogWip#03ce1ba314f367fdd09887fc8f60578b | 08:31 |
| henno | it appears to be a WIP | 08:32 |
| qnr-lt | ok, thanks... I've seen one page on it already, I'll check that out, it might be different. What I really want to know is if there are .gz dictionaries for stardict | 08:33 |
| qnr-lt | I' can't find them | 08:33 |
| qnr-lt | ah, ok, that's a different page, thanks | 08:33 |
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| Gopi | Has the promised 770 hacker edition update come out yet? | 08:34 |
| qnr-lt | oh well, that's a bad URI ... I'm browsing the site though, to check | 08:36 |
| * qnr-lt just extracts and recompresses them on a different machine | 08:39 | |
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| latzko | mornin' | 09:15 |
| latzko | can you help me with conic? My applet needs to estabilish a connection if there is not yet, i tried con_ic_connection_connect with event callback. It works more or less on tablet but it prevents login on x86, scratchbox | 09:19 |
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| latzko | yepp ,got it | 09:32 |
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| keesj | Hi | 10:00 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:01 |
| henno_ | Gopi: if you are referring to the one released on the 9th, then yes | 10:03 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: where you a palm user? | 10:08 |
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| DRoBeR | Hello, Hola, Hallo, Ni hao, Xin chao, Konnnichiwa, Bonjour, Privet, Olá, ... | 10:19 |
| RushPL | こんいちは！ | 10:22 |
| RushPL | replace your konnichiwa :P | 10:22 |
| Fatal | ????????????? | 10:24 |
| Fatal | damn | 10:24 |
| Fatal | 私達を遅れる言っているか。 | 10:24 |
| Jaffa | keesj: Briefly. Never got on with it - the lack of multitasking was a killer. | 10:25 |
| Jaffa | keesj: and the constant crashes which wiped everything out when I reset weren't too impressive either. Switched back to Psions before coming to the 770. | 10:26 |
| keesj | My first "embedded" device was a psion 3 | 10:26 |
| keesj | 3a | 10:27 |
| * Jaffa 's first *proper* embedded device was a Series 5. Had wanted a 3 but couldn't justify it | 10:27 | |
| keesj | I worked for cryptix and there where such device laying around. | 10:28 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 10:29 |
| keesj | I was really a puppet but I loved it | 10:30 |
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| DRoBeR | fab: from Lyon? :) | 11:16 |
| bedboi | anyone out there have ever profiled d-bus? | 11:17 |
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| Test_ | good morning.................... | 12:14 |
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| DRoBeR | Buenas, AD-N770 | 12:20 |
| AD-N770 | Hola DRoBer | 12:21 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 12:21 |
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| DRoBeR | Good morning. | 12:22 |
| klikklak | hey, is there an last.fm compatible player for nokia 770? .. I can't find one in the garage. | 12:22 |
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| DRoBeR | AD-N770: Which city are you from? if I can know. | 12:23 |
| AD-N770 | I'm from Igualada | 12:23 |
| DRoBeR | I bought an N770 just for tests but I am still waiting for it. :/ | 12:24 |
| DRoBeR | Catalonian | 12:24 |
| AD-N770 | yes | 12:24 |
| DRoBeR | I'm castillian but I live in Gallæcia. ;) | 12:24 |
| DRoBeR | So, did you get your N770 long time ago? | 12:25 |
| AD-N770 | about 2 years | 12:25 |
| cosmo | klikklak: nope i think | 12:25 |
| DRoBeR | So, you had test it a lot... I bought it this weekend but I'm still waiting for it. What is your oppinion of this device, AD-N770? | 12:29 |
| AD-N770 | DroBeR: I've a pair of 770 and one N800, I use mainly a 770 to read ebooks and some browsing, the other 770 is used by my wife, browsing and playing | 12:32 |
| AD-N770 | the n800 to develop | 12:32 |
| pupnik | As pocketable linux computers, the 770/N800 are unmatched. | 12:33 |
| AD-N770 | hi pupnik | 12:39 |
| pupnik | good morning AD-N770 :) | 12:39 |
| pupnik | ~UCT | 12:40 |
| pupnik | universal chat time - heh ... /me makes coffee | 12:40 |
| AD-N770 | pupnik: some ppl said me that my nethack port segfault | 12:40 |
| AD-N770 | and it's unplayable, random segfaults | 12:41 |
| pupnik | :( Works fine here | 12:41 |
| AD-N770 | pupnik are you using a 770 or a n800 ? | 12:41 |
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| pupnik | 770 | 12:41 |
| pupnik | i have only played it for an hour or two though | 12:42 |
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| DRoBeR | What's the actual price of N800? | 12:49 |
| suihkulokki | g0000gle | 12:51 |
| Nermal | helloo o:) | 12:52 |
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| Nermal | how do I "fav" a planet entry on planet.maemo.org ? it asks me to login when I do but my garage login doesn't seem to work | 12:52 |
| pupnik | I created another account for maemo.org - garage login didn't work for me. | 12:55 |
| Nermal | humm.. let me see if I can find it | 12:55 |
| * Nermal waits for his N800 and 4GB sd card to arrive | 12:55 | |
| Nermal | pupnik: where can you create a maemo.org account - the register link on the front page goes to the garage page | 12:56 |
| pupnik | i don't recall where - they did some reoganization, i created a new account and that works on both | 12:58 |
| pupnik | my original account only seems to work on garage, last i checked | 12:58 |
| Nermal | ah :| | 12:58 |
| * pupnik is checking out the bin laden video on chrisbrunner.com | 12:59 | |
| pupnik | my guess is bin laden died a couple of years ago and they're keeping him alive on video | 12:59 |
| pupnik | of course none of the MSM have pointed out the fact that he looks younger now, and that the video is paused for most of the duration | 13:00 |
| pupnik | they keep parrotting "cia has ruled the video genuine" | 13:01 |
| pupnik | They're laughing at us. | 13:01 |
| pupnik | The video is genuine archival footage. The audio is fake. | 13:01 |
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| AD-N770 | hi suihkulokki | 13:02 |
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| suihkulokki | AD-N770: hi | 13:06 |
| _Monkey | what's up, suihkulokki | 13:06 |
| Nermal | pupnik: fox news reported he died 4 or so years ago | 13:06 |
| Nermal | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html | 13:07 |
| Nermal | not that I really read faux news mind :) | 13:07 |
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| pupnik | ah sorry about that post - wrong channel | 13:09 |
| * pupnik should not IRC before 2nd cup of coffee | 13:09 | |
| pupnik | ty nermal :) interesting link | 13:10 |
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| pupnik | wb unique311 | 13:10 |
| unique311 | my thinkpad crapped out on me.. | 13:10 |
| unique311 | was without a notebook for a couple of days. | 13:11 |
| unique311 | too lazy to sit in front of PC after work.. | 13:11 |
| unique311 | sad | 13:11 |
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| unique311 | think the bios battery is dead on the thinkpad. | 13:12 |
| lardman | morning all | 13:12 |
| tso | thats what one have a web tablet for ;) | 13:12 |
| Nermal | pupnik: aye - I'm quite pleased at the lack of politics in #maemo so I'll keep quiet now :) | 13:13 |
| unique311 | the tablet to irc.. | 13:13 |
| unique311 | ll | 13:13 |
| unique311 | no way.. | 13:13 |
| tso | xchat ;) | 13:13 |
| unique311 | i know, bu i tried it, not the same... | 13:13 |
| Nermal | anyone tried kde on the tablet yet ? :) | 13:13 |
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| tso | sure, i have not tried it myself. and without a bluetooth keyboard it would probably be problematic keeping up... | 13:14 |
| pupnik | brb | 13:14 |
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| unique311 | having issues with video center, everything i add an internet tv link, i get "Service file not found" | 13:14 |
| unique311 | tried it with 4 different internet tv links same error message. | 13:15 |
| tso | hmm, ibm seems to be only tech company doing long haul development these days. and then only in the field of storage... | 13:33 |
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| pupnik | there we goes | 13:39 |
| tso | hmm? | 13:40 |
| pupnik | had to restart irssi to assign correct window numbers to channels | 13:41 |
| pupnik | otherwise i end up typing in the wrong ones :P | 13:41 |
| Nermal | :| | 13:41 |
| Nermal | I used to run irc on console 4 | 13:42 |
| Nermal | so would alt-f4 a lot to get to the irc console | 13:42 |
| Nermal | made using Windows fun :( | 13:42 |
| Mikho | why do you have to restart irssi to assign correct window numbers? | 13:46 |
| pupnik | because i didn't rtfm probably | 13:46 |
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| unique311 | so no one has given videocenter a try in here? | 13:49 |
| tso | not much point when all one owns is a 770 | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | I loaded it, started it and thought "yay, yet another Nokia pplication with an inconsistent UI; when'll they learn something from Apple?" | 13:53 |
| unique311 | lol | 13:54 |
| unique311 | ukmp, kagu, and canola i think get it | 13:54 |
| unique311 | eye candy is nice.. | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, but we had MediaStreamer from Nokia which was one style, we've had 3 versions of Media Player now, and now we've got VideoCenter which is different again. | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | And it didn't find any of my local videos, created a directory on my external SD card (the smallest one) and so pretty quickly got closed. | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | I fixed UKMP's video thumbnails instead :) | 13:57 |
| unique311 | the video i watched of videocenter shows this guy using internet tv....but there's no tutorial on adding internet tv, and which are supported. | 13:57 |
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| unique311 | ukmp is still not picking up all of my tracks.. | 13:58 |
| unique311 | billboard top 100s, only 30 shows. | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | UKMP's code is shocking, it must be said. I can see why trevarthan started Kagu :) | 13:58 |
| tso | i just wish they would develop a player that dont need to take over the whole display... | 13:59 |
| tso | was not someone talking about a desktop applet for kagu over on itt? | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, the code's there now so it's just a case of writing the applet. | 13:59 |
| pupnik | my fingers never touch the display -- stylus all the way | 14:00 |
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| unique311 | kinetic strolling, come on.. | 14:00 |
| unique311 | it just calls for fingers | 14:00 |
| unique311 | scroll* | 14:00 |
| pupnik | my ex girlfriend mastered kinetic strolling :P | 14:01 |
| pupnik | <wiggle> | 14:01 |
| pupnik | fingerprints, unique311 - can't stand em | 14:02 |
| unique311 | i don't get them. | 14:02 |
| unique311 | you have a screen protector? | 14:02 |
| tso | hmm, if kagu can handle audio streams then it may be a nice replacement for the buildt-in player on my 770 | 14:02 |
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| pupnik | no screen protector | 14:06 |
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| unique311 | pupnik: no scratches? | 14:08 |
| lardman | derf: Do you have any idea if any of the Tremor branches (i.e. lowmem, lowmem-no-byte) actually compile? I'm getting rather a lot of errors and I think it's down to the header files. | 14:08 |
| pupnik | not one - just use the stylus - and occasionally a pen or a lighter edge | 14:08 |
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| celesteh | bah, vmware fusion is not correctly handling mouse location | 15:00 |
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| celesteh | running a virtual machine and then accessing that via vnc is too many layers of indirection | 15:01 |
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| derf | lardman: lowmem-no-byte compiles on x86-32 for me. | 15:04 |
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| pupnik_ | i can't figure out how to copy clipboard to the maemo vnc viewer | 16:10 |
| bipolar | I just reloaded my n800, and for some reason my bluetooth applet is missing. is there a package I have to install to get it back, or some setting I need to turn on somewhere? | 16:10 |
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| pupnik_ | you will have to recreate your bluetooth connection | 16:10 |
| bipolar | pupnik_: oh... in the control panel? | 16:11 |
| pupnik_ | after flashing i have to recreate my bluetooth keyboard connection | 16:11 |
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| pupnik_ | don't know about your situation | 16:11 |
| bipolar | pupnik_: yep, that did it. thanks | 16:12 |
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| bipolar | can anyone tell me where the bluetooth dun settings are stored? I need to manualy change the phone number it's dialing so it works with my phone. | 16:27 |
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| bipolar | the UI wont let me enter "S=2" :( | 16:27 |
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| lardman|home | Someone put me out of my misery, what's wrong with this line of code?: | 16:30 |
| lardman|home | a = (char *)mmap((void *) 0, MBUF_LENGTH, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0); | 16:31 |
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| lardman|home | where a is: char *a; | 16:31 |
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| bipolar | I've greped the entire n800 file system and been unable to find where the phone number string for bluetooth dun is stored. can someone point me in the right direction please? | 16:36 |
| nomis | bipolar: it probably is stored via gconf. Sorry, don't know off hand where these files are located. | 16:40 |
| lardman|home | Can the n800 do dialup over bluetooth? I thought it defaulted to a gprs/data connection via the provider? | 16:42 |
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| bipolar | lardman|home: yes, it can | 16:42 |
| Blacksitox | buenos dias | 16:42 |
| lardman|home | bipolar: Try /etc/ppp/peers | 16:44 |
| lardman|home | or rather one of the chat scripts that I presume are stored there | 16:44 |
| lardman|home | if you searched as the normal user you won't have been able to look in there as it belongs to root | 16:45 |
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| bipolar | lardman|home: thanks, but it's not there. I've got to go now, I hope I don't have to log into my servers while on my trip.... all becouse some designer decided to only allow numbers in the DUN field. | 16:47 |
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| lardman|home | uuurgh, #define somevar = someval, amazing how many problems that causes! | 16:49 |
| nomis | heh :) | 16:50 |
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| celesteh | scratchbox? | 17:04 |
| _Monkey | well, scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O | 17:04 |
| celesteh | thanks, _Monkey | 17:04 |
| _Monkey | celesteh: no problem | 17:04 |
| * celesteh doesn't know whether or not to be polite to inanimate objects . . . maybe it will matter when we get robot overlords | 17:05 | |
| pupnik | i love irc on 770 | 17:05 |
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| celesteh | do you use GAIM or xchat or what? | 17:06 |
| celesteh | i use gaim, but i can't say that i love it | 17:06 |
| pupnik | using vnc to a pc right now | 17:06 |
| celesteh | ah, i got that to work the first time yesterday. was cool | 17:07 |
| celesteh | ssh tunneling even worked | 17:07 |
| pupnik | away from home - irssi | 17:07 |
| pupnik | xchat is good too | 17:07 |
| celesteh | the only problem I have is DNS. my computer is called darc-mini.local and it can't resolve that | 17:07 |
| pupnik | heh - | 17:07 |
| celesteh | i don't know if the '-' is the problem, since the error is weird | 17:07 |
| celesteh | ah, so that's it | 17:08 |
| Veggen | - is valid in domains. | 17:08 |
| pupnik | iirc yes | 17:08 |
| pupnik | hmm | 17:08 |
| Veggen | (_ is not, actually) | 17:08 |
| pupnik | ur right sorry | 17:08 |
| celesteh | it is valid, but that doesn't mean that ssh on the 880 is doing the right thing | 17:13 |
| celesteh | it's the only non-mac on my wifi network. i don't know how to tell it to do the local DNS thing, since they all can do it fine | 17:14 |
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| celesteh | the wireless router handles this, right? | 17:15 |
| * lardman|home has to return to Windows, oh well | 17:16 | |
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| Justin | celesteh: no, some wireless routers may do that, but in your case the foo.local thing is done using mdns | 17:25 |
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| syraxxl | hi to all | 18:06 |
| syraxxl | i have a question | 18:06 |
| Nermal | ask away :) | 18:07 |
| syraxxl | my nokia is N800 i have a bt keyboard /spp/ how to run it | 18:07 |
| syraxxl | is posible ? | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | Yes, Google 'kbdd' | 18:10 |
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| florian | hi bedboi | 18:38 |
| bedboi | hi there florian | 18:39 |
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| florian | bedboi: any news on gpe-sudoku? :-) | 18:43 |
| bedboi | florian: nope, sorry for that. I'm extremely busy right now. btw i can do it later in the evening... | 18:44 |
| bedboi | i'll commit your patch and release | 18:44 |
| bedboi | thank you for pinging me :) | 18:44 |
| florian | hehe | 18:45 |
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| florian | bedboi: yw, but don't worry its the same here - I will be more or less unavailable for some weeks. | 18:45 |
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| * pupnik ponders the cut-n-paste issue with vncviewer | 19:50 | |
| pupnik | didn't the pc version have a paste buffer command? f8? | 19:50 |
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| erstazi | pupnik: http://vnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2002-March/029083.html | 19:54 |
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| pupnik | When the mouse | 19:55 |
| pupnik | enters the vncviewer's window, the clipboard is copied local-to-remote. | 19:55 |
| pupnik | When the mouse leaves, the clipboard is copied remote-to-local | 19:55 |
| pupnik | testing that now | 19:55 |
| pupnik | nope | 19:56 |
| pupnik | oh well - it keeps me from clicking on too many links :) | 19:57 |
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| erstazi | pupnik: is the host a PC or the tablet? | 20:02 |
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| erstazi | pupnik: I am assuming the tablet.. if so I do the tap-hold circle motion and it brings up the "right click" menu | 20:03 |
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| pupnik | interesting - | 20:04 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... interesting - is there a web page / forum or wiki with info on how to do this? | 20:05 |
| pupnik | i don't see how i can tap-hold-circle - it destroys the text hilighting | 20:05 |
| pupnik | vncclient on the 770 - server on the pc | 20:05 |
| Jaffa | Sun release JRE 1.4.2 of Java SE for ARM Linux... and it's not armel | 20:06 |
| erstazi | Jaffa: there isn't any formidable java release for armel | 20:06 |
| erstazi | Jaffa: from what I read on ITT (I don't remember the link's URL and its not bookmarked) but its going to be take quite some time before there is one | 20:07 |
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| suihkulokki | erstazi: im just building gcj/gij for debian/armel | 20:11 |
| erstazi | ah | 20:11 |
| |user| | kvirc on n800, nice | 20:13 |
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| Jaffa | erstazi: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9656 | 20:15 |
| erstazi | ah | 20:16 |
| erstazi | that might have been it | 20:16 |
| Jaffa | No, this is a new thing which Sun themselves have released for evaluation (times out after 90 days) | 20:17 |
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| Tu13es | anyone here know anything about VPN on the N800? | 20:53 |
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| kethepoo | i am trying to connect my N800 to a secure wifi network at my school, however the server certificate they use is not on my list of trusted certificates. does anyone know how can i go about getting that certificate? | 21:20 |
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| procto | kethepoo: I'm having the same exact problem | 21:26 |
| kethepoo | actually | 21:26 |
| kethepoo | i think i figured it out | 21:26 |
| procto | kethepoo: works at home, but not at school | 21:26 |
| procto | kethepoo: yeah? | 21:27 |
| kethepoo | went to control panel | 21:27 |
| procto | kethepoo: see, my school uses Thawte Premium Server | 21:27 |
| procto | which I have | 21:27 |
| procto | I set it to trust it | 21:27 |
| procto | didn't help | 21:27 |
| kethepoo | then i had to set it too trust | 21:27 |
| kethepoo | yeah | 21:27 |
| kethepoo | hmm | 21:27 |
| procto | I'm on my school's unsecured wifi right now | 21:27 |
| procto | on the n800 | 21:27 |
| procto | (in class) | 21:27 |
| kethepoo | sweet | 21:28 |
| kethepoo | i just bought it a couple days ago | 21:28 |
| Tu13es | my school's wifi limits just about all ports | 21:29 |
| Tu13es | :( | 21:29 |
| kethepoo | anyway, Thawte Premium Server is the exact same certificate they use here | 21:29 |
| procto | kethepoo: what school are you at? | 21:31 |
| kethepoo | carroll college, montana | 21:32 |
| procto | ah, not mine, then :> | 21:32 |
| procto | I'm at Brandeis University, near boston, ma | 21:33 |
| kethepoo | yeah i whois'd you | 21:33 |
| procto | I'm at Brandeis University, near boston, ma | 21:33 |
| procto | Aruba? | 21:33 |
| procto | I meant | 21:33 |
| procto | who installed your network | 21:33 |
| straind` | Jamaica? | 21:33 |
| procto | I guess I pressed up on this bluetooth keyboard | 21:33 |
| procto | Aruba Networks | 21:33 |
| kethepoo | not a clue | 21:33 |
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| straind` | procto: BT HID keyboard? | 21:34 |
| procto | yes, the stowaway | 21:34 |
| procto | the small one | 21:34 |
| straind` | Ok. I'm looking for someone who has set up an SPP keyboard. | 21:35 |
| kethepoo | Brandeis University is a community of scholars and students united by their commitment to the pursuit of knowledge and its transmission from generation to generation. As a research university, Brandeis is dedicated to the advancement of the humanities, arts, and social, natural and physical sciences. As a liberal arts college, Brandeis affirms the importance of a broad and critical education in enriching the lives of students and preparing them for full p | 21:35 |
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| Spoodle | -ho | 21:35 |
| kethepoo | heh, sounds exactly like my school | 21:36 |
| Spoodle | Hi guys | 21:36 |
| kethepoo | any of you used skype or gizmo on the n800? | 21:36 |
| Spoodle | anyone help a newbie please? | 21:36 |
| Spoodle | I am trying to install gaim/pidgin on the n800 | 21:36 |
| procto | kethepoo: I've used skype | 21:36 |
| Spoodle | I cannot get libgcrypt | 21:36 |
| Spoodle | the maemo-hackers catalogue seems to hang | 21:37 |
| procto | Spoodle: hm. I haven't done it, so can't be sure. Are you doing this from the console? | 21:37 |
| Spoodle | added the catalogue in application manager | 21:37 |
| Spoodle | but it simply does not work | 21:38 |
| procto | try it in xterm | 21:38 |
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| Spoodle | xterm? how? | 21:38 |
| procto | oh hm, anyone have a link to instructions on installing xterm? | 21:38 |
| Spoodle | hee hee | 21:38 |
| procto | I forget which repo it's on | 21:39 |
| procto | I think it's on the eko.pl one | 21:39 |
| Spoodle | I even downloaded the .install file to set it up but it hangs as well | 21:39 |
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| procto | oh wait, no | 21:39 |
| procto | xterm is on maemo-hackers | 21:39 |
| procto | install that | 21:39 |
| procto | then install the becomroot package from the eko.pl repo | 21:39 |
| procto | then open xterm | 21:39 |
| procto | type sudo gainroot | 21:39 |
| procto | and type apt-get update | 21:40 |
| procto | then type apt-get install maemo-gaim | 21:40 |
| procto | (oor mhatever the package name is) | 21:40 |
| Spoodle | but the maemo-hackers repo is the one that is hanging | 21:40 |
| Spoodle | I do not understand why | 21:41 |
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| Spoodle | I am onnly missing libgcrypt | 21:41 |
| Spoodle | which I managed to get but is not new enough | 21:42 |
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| Spoodle | it is getting *really* frustrating | 21:43 |
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| Tu13es | why not just use the pidgin binary? | 21:51 |
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| Luke__ | Every time I boot my n770 from the mmc card, and try to open the browser, it seg faults. This has only started happening over the past few days - anyone got any ideas/suggestions? | 21:54 |
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| pupnik | did you change settings? | 21:58 |
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| zaf | sweet, my new e61 uses same battery and charger as 770 | 22:03 |
| pupnik | a pencil makes a goos styluus... | 22:04 |
| Luke__ | Nope, not that I'm aware of | 22:04 |
| g0vgs_ | ahs the url changed for maemo-hackers repo? | 22:05 |
| g0vgs_ | ahs=has | 22:05 |
| g0vgs_ | the log shows me a does not exist error | 22:05 |
| pupnik | hackers is sometimes down | 22:06 |
| g0vgs_ | if I go to the repo with a browser there is nothing in the incoming-bora or mistral dirs | 22:06 |
| g0vgs_ | but I can get to the site | 22:07 |
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| pupnik | repositories? | 22:08 |
| _Monkey | i heard repositories was http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 22:08 |
| g0vgs_ | I mean if I put in the app manager.... | 22:08 |
| g0vgs_ | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt | 22:09 |
| g0vgs_ | Distribution: bora | 22:09 |
| g0vgs_ | Components: main | 22:09 |
| g0vgs_ | it fails | 22:09 |
| g0vgs_ | if I browse to the url I can get to it | 22:09 |
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| g0vgs_ | but nothing in the incoming-bora dir | 22:10 |
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| sbz | Spoodle: http://rafb.net/p/co47rc67.html | 22:13 |
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| Spoodle | sbz: thanks, I guess I would need xterm for that? | 22:13 |
| sbz | for me this repository(maemo-hackers), is totaly reachable | 22:14 |
| Spoodle | how strange | 22:14 |
| sbz | Spoodle: you just need to add this following line on your /etc/apt/source.list => deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ bora main | 22:15 |
| sbz | sources.list sorry | 22:15 |
| * pupnik is still in love with his 770 sooo much :) | 22:15 | |
| Spoodle | sbz: you mean on the n800? | 22:16 |
| pupnik | every once in a while i look at it again and think "wow... that's just *too* *cool*" | 22:16 |
| sbz | Spoodle: yes | 22:16 |
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| Spoodle | well I have that but it fails | 22:17 |
| Spoodle | in the application manager | 22:17 |
| Spoodle | I cannot understand it, it is doin' me 'ead in! | 22:17 |
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| sbz | pupnik: do you know anything (news..) about the WPA on the nokia ? i've compiled xsupplicant, it's works well on prompt, but he don't work :/ | 22:18 |
| sbz | doesn't work | 22:19 |
| Spoodle | sbz: I have even downloaded the .install file so it creates the settings automatically but nada | 22:19 |
| pupnik | no idea about wpa - just wep here | 22:19 |
| sbz | Spoodle: hum, use sources.list file, is more sure that application manager :) | 22:19 |
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| Spoodle | how do I get to it though, I have not got xterm | 22:20 |
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| sbz | okay, it's a problem ..., i suppose you want to install osso-xterm from the maemo-hackers repository ? | 22:21 |
| Spoodle | ermm.. noew you see I have a problem with getting that too ;) | 22:22 |
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| pupnik | Spoodle: get the .deb from someone here then - i have the 770 ver | 22:23 |
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| sbz | Spoodle: do you have activated the Red Pill Mode ? | 22:24 |
| Spoodle | anyone got the .deb version of osso-xterm for n800 please? | 22:24 |
| Spoodle | Red Pill mode? | 22:24 |
| _Monkey | Red Pill mode is presumably just the editing of a file | 22:24 |
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| sbz | Spoodle: it's on wiki | 22:25 |
| Spoodle | OK, I will look there. Only had the tablet a day :) | 22:25 |
| * Deformati needs his 770 to come in. | 22:25 | |
| Deformati | :( | 22:25 |
| sbz | Spoodle: moreover, check the error output of application manager , on window clic on left arrow and choose Tools -> Log... to check errors | 22:27 |
| Spoodle | sbz: found osso-xterm files and dragged them into card. Now installed | 22:30 |
| Spoodle | sbz: would you be so kind as to repeat your earlier directions for apt-get in an xterm please? | 22:31 |
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| sbz | Spoodle: # echo "http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ bora main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update | 22:33 |
| * Deformati decides that maemo needs a new package manager. | 22:34 | |
| Deformati | I mean, apt ubar suckage. | 22:34 |
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| Spoodle | gah, just getting permission denied on that one | 22:41 |
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| Spoodle | should I be logged into the tablet under a superuser of some kind for all this? | 22:43 |
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| pupnik | apple2! | 23:33 |
| pupnik | oh noes. /me reboots | 23:33 |
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| celesteh | mdns? | 23:50 |
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