| sparr | come on... | 00:01 |
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| sparr | 95% chance this wont brick your 770 :) | 00:02 |
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| sparr | :( | 00:09 |
| sparr | no guinea pigs makes baby jesus cry | 00:09 |
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| sparr | would it help if i tell you that removing the 3 non-default themes from a stock 770 frees up 6.4MB of real storage space? | 00:11 |
| milhouse | i think the other day you said the 770 has 64MB of flash... it's 128MB flash (64MB RAM) | 00:15 |
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| sparr | yeah, my bad | 00:15 |
| sparr | was recalling advertising that said the 128MB flash is approx 64MB OS and 64MB user storage | 00:16 |
| sparr | im trying to shrink that first 64MB :) | 00:16 |
| milhouse | i'd be surprised if you run out of 128MB... not saying it's impossible, but you'd have to install loads of stuff | 00:16 |
| sparr | not really | 00:16 |
| sparr | gnumeric alone is 10MB+ | 00:16 |
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| sparr | lots of 5-15MB apps | 00:17 |
| sparr | can fill up 128 real damn fast | 00:17 |
| milhouse | i guess... suppose i never used any of those apps as i never came close to filling my old 770 :) | 00:18 |
| pupnik | i did it but only by installing a lot of junk i didn't really use | 00:18 |
| sparr | gcc is 30MB+ :) | 00:19 |
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| sparr | well, gcc with g++ | 00:19 |
| pupnik | your first instinct is to dump as much as you can on it | 00:19 |
| pupnik | it will pass, sparr :) | 00:20 |
| sparr | oh, no, im being very careful | 00:20 |
| sparr | i dont have even gnumeric installed | 00:20 |
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| sparr | ive actually got 46MB free | 00:20 |
| sparr | pretty close to the stock free space, i think? | 00:21 |
| sparr | which is to say, ive eliminated as much default stuff as extra stuff ive installed | 00:21 |
| sparr | but... now that youre awake | 00:21 |
| sparr | do you have a 770 running 2006? | 00:21 |
| sparr | 2.2 | 00:21 |
| milhouse | yes... | 00:22 |
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| pupnik | there's a bunch of crap you can remove from the vim package if you install that | 00:22 |
| pupnik | i also symlinked theme3 to theme2 :P | 00:23 |
| sparr | <ominous>Do you trust me?</ominous> :) | 00:23 |
| milhouse | only if it's quick... | 00:24 |
| sparr | pupnik: ive got packages to remove theme1, theme2, and theme3. saves over 6MB of real space | 00:24 |
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| pupnik | oh nice | 00:24 |
| sparr | milhouse: do you want to get rid of one of the 4 default themes? | 00:24 |
| milhouse | not particularly :) | 00:24 |
| sparr | ok | 00:24 |
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| pupnik | can you explain what you did with packages? | 00:25 |
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| sparr | yes | 00:25 |
| pupnik | s/can/would you please :) | 00:25 |
| sparr | i used the "equivs" debian package program to build an empty package | 00:26 |
| sparr | named osso-theme-theme1 (and 2 and 3) | 00:26 |
| pupnik | ahhh | 00:26 |
| sparr | which replaces and conflicts osso-theme-theme1-config | 00:26 |
| sparr | and is a revision of the version number of the stock osso-theme-theme1 | 00:26 |
| sparr | then i had to put it in a repository, and apt-get install'd it | 00:26 |
| sparr | so when i install MY osso-theme-theme1 | 00:27 |
| pupnik | a simple dpkg -i wouldn't suffice? | 00:27 |
| sparr | it removes the files from the stock osso-theme-theme1, and removes all of osso-theme-theme1-config, without messing with packages that depend on osso-theme-theme1 | 00:27 |
| sparr | no, dpkg -i wont remove the -config package | 00:27 |
| pupnik | ok | 00:27 |
| pupnik | very cool | 00:27 |
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| pupnik | would it be possible for the theme to reject install if one of them were in-use? | 00:30 |
| pupnik | possibly as part of an install script? (to make them 'safe') | 00:30 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, audio is VERY badly out of sync | 00:30 |
| cbx33 | any ideas? | 00:31 |
| cbx33 | we're talking seconds out, in the case of the 118k/44k | 00:31 |
| pupnik | yes it might be the 48kb/s abr. try 32 | 00:31 |
| pupnik | otherwise you might need to use cbr audio | 00:31 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 00:31 |
| cbx33 | damn | 00:31 |
| pupnik | 44? | 00:31 |
| pupnik | no 48 | 00:31 |
| cbx33 | well even the 64 we had earlier is out | 00:32 |
| cbx33 | do i just replace br with cbr ? | 00:32 |
| pupnik | i haven't had sync problems with the 32 | 00:32 |
| cbx33 | oh really? | 00:32 |
| cbx33 | 64 was out by a fair amount | 00:32 |
| pupnik | no it's in the vbr= option | 00:32 |
| cbx33 | oh i was using 48 | 00:33 |
| cbx33 | waaaay out | 00:33 |
| cbx33 | mp3lame vbr | 00:33 |
| pupnik | i'll check my other encode - i've had that problem before and was using cbr, but i thought new mplayer fixed it | 00:34 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 00:34 |
| cbx33 | quote for a mailing list post "The problem went away by switching to cbr, but in the end I just used | 00:34 |
| cbx33 | -mc 0 -noskip so I could do vbr" | 00:34 |
| cbx33 | but that was 4 years ago | 00:35 |
| sparr | pupnik: in theory, thats possible... but it would require actual packaging-fu, of which i have virtually none. my packages are *EMPTY* | 00:36 |
| pupnik | ok then i won't recommend these for noobish folk | 00:38 |
| sparr | aye | 00:38 |
| sparr | which is why im not posting my repository here :) | 00:38 |
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| sparr | http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/xterm-screenshot-1.png | 00:50 |
| sparr | very very neat | 00:50 |
| sparr | i want something like that as a hildon input method | 00:51 |
| pupnik | cbx33: no audio sync problems here at 64kb/s abr | 01:05 |
| sparr | ok... /usr/share/backgrounds/hildon_home_bg_user.png is a 750MB png version of /usr/share/themes/default/images/qgn_plat_home_background.jpg | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | damn it | 01:07 |
| sparr | can anyone tellm me what the png is for? | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | well I'm using cbr now to see what happens then | 01:07 |
| sparr | and /usr/share/backgrounds/bg_img_01.jpg is a symlink to /usr/share/themes/default/images/qgn_plat_home_background.jpg | 01:07 |
| sparr | err, 750kB :) | 01:08 |
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| sparr | (major typo) | 01:08 |
| NeoStrider | hey folks | 01:08 |
| sparr | but still, why is that png there? | 01:08 |
| NeoStrider | anyone using SDL_mixer? | 01:08 |
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| cbx33 | pupnik, i can't understand why i had such bad sync problems | 01:18 |
| pupnik | NeoStrider a number of ports use it | 01:26 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik: smw uses pure SDL? | 01:26 |
| NeoStrider | I just tested angstron with music on the 770 | 01:26 |
| NeoStrider | surprise...no sound | 01:26 |
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| NeoStrider | just found my mistake | 01:29 |
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| NeoStrider | my PlayMusic function takes a string for the filename...but inside it, it plays hardcoded , a ogg file | 01:30 |
| NeoStrider | ogg files doesnt work with vanilla 770 | 01:30 |
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| sparr | i cat'd a binary file, now my terminal is garbled. how can i fix that? | 01:32 |
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| pupnik | hmm the powervr guys were running q3a on an omap2420 at 30+fps | 01:32 |
| pupnik | sparr "reset" | 01:33 |
| sparr | thanks | 01:33 |
| sparr | at what resolution? probably 320x240 | 01:33 |
| pupnik | 1024x768 according to this report | 01:33 |
| sparr | i am doubtful without a gpu | 01:33 |
| sparr | very very doubtful | 01:33 |
| pupnik | omap2420 has a powerVR gpu | 01:34 |
| sparr | ahh | 01:34 |
| sparr | interesting | 01:35 |
| pupnik | it was on a development board, not a n800 but same core anyway | 01:35 |
| pupnik | powervr MBX i think is the chip | 01:35 |
| pupnik | then OMAP 3430 has powervr SGX - with shader support - pics here http://www.mitrax.de/?cont=news | 01:36 |
| pupnik | (mixed german/english) | 01:36 |
| NeoStrider | cya guys | 01:37 |
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| sparr | cant wait for work on monday | 01:49 |
| sparr | or tuesday | 01:49 |
| sparr | gonna take one of our virgin 770s and apply all my space-saving-fu to it | 01:50 |
| sparr | i think ive cut 20MB of real space off the default 770 image | 01:50 |
| cbx33 | cool | 01:51 |
| pupnik | did you purge locales? | 01:52 |
| pupnik | this could be a subject for a hackerish wiki/blog | 01:53 |
| cbx33 | indeedily | 01:54 |
| sparr | not yet | 02:00 |
| sparr | on this install | 02:00 |
| sparr | i did it last flash :) | 02:00 |
| sparr | PITA to get localepurge working | 02:00 |
| sparr | because of dependency hell | 02:00 |
| sparr | good point, re blog | 02:02 |
| * cbx33 loves blogging about useful stuff | 02:03 | |
| cbx33 | and not so useful stuff | 02:03 |
| sparr | blogging is so decentralized | 02:03 |
| sparr | id rather have a decent wiki to put it in | 02:03 |
| sparr | but imho the maemo.org wiki is deficient, both in content and in implementation | 02:03 |
| sparr | the itT wiki is better, barely | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | sparr, i know what you mean | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | but blogs can be aggregated | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | you wouldn't want an rss of changes to a wiki | 02:04 |
| cbx33 | it changes too often | 02:04 |
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| sparr | localepurge freed up about 1.5MB real space | 02:08 |
| sparr | for lack of a wiki, i might blog my changes | 02:08 |
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| sparr | next time i flash, ill give it a go | 02:08 |
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| sparr | from the start, step by step, each thing i do | 02:09 |
| sparr | how much space it costs/saves | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | sparr, awesome | 02:09 |
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| sparr | guess localepurge isnt that much of a PITA now that i know how to fix it :) | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | total it all up | 02:09 |
| sparr | <5 minutes to copy the files, make the changes, run it | 02:09 |
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| cbx33 | sparr, why all the space saving? | 02:10 |
| sparr | so i have more room to install stuff | 02:10 |
| sparr | and/or save stuff | 02:10 |
| sparr | mostly install | 02:10 |
| pupnik | i wish we had temporal dithering to help these gradients on mplayer playback | 02:10 |
| cbx33 | you don't use cards to save stuff? | 02:10 |
| sparr | not yet | 02:10 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, you crack me up | 02:10 |
| cbx33 | temporal dithering | 02:10 |
| sparr | pupnik: hard to do... temporal dithering without cutting framerate in half is a non-trivial math problem | 02:11 |
| sparr | pupnik: and cutting framerate in half when we are already at low framerate or low resolution... bad | 02:11 |
| pupnik | i know | 02:11 |
| cbx33 | yup | 02:11 |
| pupnik | playback quality is soo good, the only thing that bothers me is the rings on the gradients | 02:12 |
| cbx33 | hhehe | 02:12 |
| pupnik | some guys implemented greyscale playback on monochrome lcds with that dithering | 02:12 |
| pupnik | it's not that hard in principle - it's like floyd-steinberg dithering in space - you just accumulate errors | 02:14 |
| sparr | except the pixels are also changing as you dither | 02:15 |
| sparr | "the" implementation of temporal dithering assumes the pixel in question stays the same color for the duration of the dither | 02:16 |
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| pupnik | ok true | 02:16 |
| pupnik | but the only time when it's visible is when the colors aren't changing fast | 02:16 |
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| sparr | i am doubtful | 02:21 |
| sparr | since they only get 6 bits of data, what is there to dither? | 02:22 |
| sparr | maybe you mean a 8bit->6bit lcd controller? | 02:22 |
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| pupnik | no i was thinking of lcd monitors | 02:22 |
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| pupnik | ips and s-ips use true 8-bit per rgb - tn displays use 6 bits | 02:23 |
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| sparr | dont think ive ever seen a 6 bit standalone monitor | 02:23 |
| pupnik | i think you have :) | 02:23 |
| sparr | i know ive used one in a macbook | 02:24 |
| sparr | back on topic though... | 02:24 |
| sparr | i removed the 750kB png | 02:24 |
| sparr | and nothing seems to have broken | 02:24 |
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| pupnik | yeah same | 02:26 |
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| cbx33 | right | 02:27 |
| cbx33 | off to bed | 02:27 |
| cbx33 | nn guys | 02:27 |
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| pupnik | sparr: the mplayer gurus have the solution! adding -vf noise=6t to mplayer playback solved it! and the 770 has (almost) enough cpu to add the noise without framedrop! | 02:51 |
| pupnik | just an occasional drop | 02:51 |
| pupnik | awesome | 02:52 |
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| sparr | http://sparrsstuff.com/ | 04:07 |
| sparr | im going to split the convention blog and the maemo blog once i have a few posts made for each | 04:07 |
| sparr | good excuse to finally beat my drupal into shape :) | 04:07 |
| sparr | but, for starters, how does that first story look? | 04:07 |
| sparr | the storage and package fields are going to be searchable and sortable (and summable, for storage saved) eventually | 04:08 |
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| sparr | you are all way too quiet | 04:33 |
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| unique311 | its short | 04:42 |
| unique311 | and to the point | 04:43 |
| trevarthan | I'm freaking out. my tablet has just started acting crazy slow all the time. | 04:50 |
| trevarthan | It's taking like half a minute to get my first dbus "on batter" message in Kagu. | 04:51 |
| trevarthan | I have *NO IDEA* why. | 04:51 |
| trevarthan | tried older versions of kagu, same thing. it's something with the OS or the hardware. | 04:52 |
| unique311 | let me check | 04:55 |
| unique311 | i just reinstalled kagu | 04:55 |
| unique311 | after reflashing.. | 04:56 |
| unique311 | are you using the new skin trevarthan ? | 04:57 |
| sparr | unique311: short and to the point is hopefully to be the style of that blog | 04:58 |
| sparr | my next post will probably be how to shoehorn localepurge in without breaking anything | 04:58 |
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| unique311 | trevarth1n, works over here. | 04:59 |
| sparr | i will have to flash my 770 before i can "finish" this series of posts | 05:00 |
| unique311 | had to reflash cause i screwed up trying to boot from mmc | 05:00 |
| unique311 | last time i do that | 05:00 |
| trevarth1n | unique311: :) rebooted my router. problem solved. | 05:00 |
| trevarth1n | apparently maemo's dbus lags if the wifi connection is slow. strange. | 05:01 |
| sparr | i dont mind flashing, for now | 05:01 |
| sparr | i figure it will be a month or two before im 'settled' with my 770 and actually expect to keep any data i put on it :) | 05:01 |
| sparr | for now, its all play time | 05:01 |
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| pupnik | judicous use of 'rm'? :) | 05:15 |
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| unique311 | trevarth1n, when do you plan to release that theme? | 05:16 |
| trevarth1n | tomorrow morning, I think. | 05:16 |
| trevarth1n | disq does the release, because I can't seem to get my gpg key to work. | 05:17 |
| trevarth1n | otherwise I'd release in an hour or two. I'm almost ready. | 05:17 |
| trevarth1n | but disq is asleep. :) | 05:17 |
| trevarth1n | this new version is gonna be sweet. better theme, preliminary seek support, playmode button, etc... | 05:18 |
| trevarth1n | no OK button .... :) | 05:18 |
| unique311 | can't wait.. | 05:18 |
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| sparr | i wish there was a way to use my anti-theme packages without a repository | 05:39 |
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| sparr | i dont want people hammering my repository... but theres no other good way to distribute my packages | 05:40 |
| derf | Garage? | 05:41 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that Garage is https://garage.maemo.org or some where you may park your car. | 05:41 |
| sparr | i dont know if its really safe to put them there | 05:42 |
| derf | Safe from what? | 05:43 |
| sparr | people installing them accidentally | 05:43 |
| derf | I have no idea what you mean by that... how would someone install them "accidentally"? | 05:47 |
| sparr | people installing them without realizing what they do, or that what they do is irreversible | 05:49 |
| sparr | i dont want someone going "oooh, a theme!" and permanently losing one of their themes | 05:50 |
| derf | I mean, I don't see how it's any different there than anywhere else. | 05:50 |
| derf | You still have your own individual repository for your project, and it's not added anywhere automatically. | 05:50 |
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| trevarth1n | unique311: updated the screenshots in prep for release day tomorrow: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki/ScreenShots | 06:05 |
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| milhouse | does this work with the latest mplayer (the one serge released the other day)? | 06:10 |
| milhouse | this being the latest kagu | 06:10 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 06:10 |
| milhouse | ok cool... any other srv or bluez deb changes? | 06:10 |
| trevarthan | no, not yet | 06:10 |
| milhouse | will update my instructions-for-dummies | 06:10 |
| trevarthan | honestly, I've got my hands full with Kagu. I don't really have time to maintain the bluez stuff. | 06:11 |
| trevarthan | I'm not sure if Kagu will ever "end" either. Looks like the project will continue indefinitely. touch screens are fairly new still, and uncommon, and kagu intends to exploit them to the fullest. | 06:11 |
| trevarthan | ... in a "finger friendly" way ... | 06:12 |
| milhouse | not sure if that's a good or a bad thing :) | 06:12 |
| milhouse | (never ending) | 06:13 |
| milhouse | at least it will keep you out of trouble | 06:13 |
| trevarthan | so long as I enjoy it, it's a good thing | 06:13 |
| trevarthan | I do intend to slow down development in a few weeks. We've been going full tilt for about 2 months now. As it gets more feature complete, I intend to release less often. | 06:14 |
| trevarthan | I'll probably have more time after that point. | 06:14 |
| trevarthan | Well, I'm off to watch some Naruto. later peeps. | 06:16 |
| milhouse | tata - and thanks :) | 06:16 |
| Desensitize | hello, can i ask a ushare question? | 06:19 |
| milhouse | hmmm.... i occasionally end up with two orphaned a2dpd processes | 06:20 |
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| k8 | hi guys | 06:20 |
| k8 | someone is kind from paste its sources.list? | 06:21 |
| k8 | i have a problem | 06:21 |
| k8 | http://rafb.net/p/Mv8RGL89.html | 06:22 |
| k8 | there is someone? | 06:22 |
| milhouse | you need to be more specific | 06:22 |
| milhouse | what sources list - for a 770 or n800? | 06:22 |
| k8 | n800 | 06:22 |
| milhouse | http://pastebin.ca/655186 - knock yourself out | 06:23 |
| k8 | oh thanks :D | 06:23 |
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| k8 | mmm | 06:28 |
| k8 | http://pastebin.ca/655187 | 06:28 |
| k8 | ;| | 06:28 |
| k8 | is normal? | 06:30 |
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| milhouse | hmmm... dunno how that got there | 06:36 |
| milhouse | http://pastebin.ca/655193 <--- try that, looks ok here | 06:37 |
| milhouse | oh hang on, you were posted what you were getting? Sorry thought you were suggesting my pastebin was wrong... duh | 06:38 |
| k8 | mm | 06:38 |
| milhouse | why are you performing an apt-get upgrade? | 06:39 |
| milhouse | you're on your own for that, I think | 06:39 |
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| k8 | i try with http://pastebin.ca/655193? | 06:41 |
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| milhouse | if you like, i'm not really sure what your problem is | 06:42 |
| k8 | ok i try | 06:42 |
| milhouse | do you want to explain your problem or shall we spend the rest of the night guessing? | 06:43 |
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| sparr | i cant wait for the 800's price to drop :) | 06:44 |
| sparr | $100 in a couple of years | 06:44 |
| milhouse | ebay? | 06:44 |
| sparr | probably woot | 06:45 |
| k8 | sorry milhouse i little speak english | 06:46 |
| k8 | I would want to only have more link in mine sources.list | 06:46 |
| k8 | more apps | 06:46 |
| milhouse | i understand... but it looks like your attempt to call apt-get upgrade failed... why do you want to upgrade? | 06:46 |
| k8 | it is not necessary apt-get upgrade? | 06:47 |
| milhouse | it's not that it's not necessary, it doesn't work and could bugger your n800 | 06:47 |
| milhouse | (requiring a reflash) | 06:48 |
| k8 | ooh | 06:48 |
| k8 | clearly | 06:48 |
| k8 | :-) | 06:48 |
| k8 | therefore he is normal.. | 06:49 |
| k8 | yawn? | 06:49 |
| milhouse | grabbing random sources.list files may save you some time but also may expose you to applications you don't want/need/understand... | 06:49 |
| milhouse | best thing to do is just add repositories as you need them | 06:49 |
| k8 | clearly | 06:50 |
| k8 | thanks | 06:50 |
| milhouse | no problem :) | 06:50 |
| k8 | according to you it will be possible to make to turn fluxbox on n800? : D | 06:50 |
| milhouse | that i don't know, sorry | 06:51 |
| k8 | noproblem | 06:51 |
| k8 | but therefore now I leave the sources.list puts into effect them and is ok true? | 06:52 |
| milhouse | should be | 06:52 |
| milhouse | nothing very harmful in my sources.list :) | 06:53 |
| k8 | ok ;) | 06:53 |
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| k8 | :D | 06:53 |
| k8 | I wanted to install wget and pico | 06:54 |
| k8 | look on maemo | 06:54 |
| milhouse | wget is easy... apt-get install wget | 06:55 |
| k8 | dont work | 06:55 |
| k8 | http://rafb.net/p/Z2OlIc35.html | 06:55 |
| milhouse | odd... should work. | 06:56 |
| k8 | :| | 06:57 |
| k8 | install by maemo.org ok! | 06:58 |
| k8 | (sorry for my english :P) | 06:58 |
| k8 | and nano ok. | 06:59 |
| k8 | uh nano no. | 06:59 |
| milhouse | Il vostro inglese è migliore del mio... Italiano? | 07:00 |
| k8 | :D | 07:01 |
| k8 | il tuo italiano sembra ok! | 07:01 |
| k8 | haha | 07:01 |
| milhouse | thank _Monkey :) | 07:01 |
| k8 | lol | 07:02 |
| milhouse | _monkey translate to italian _Monkey is very handy | 07:02 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: _ la scimmia è molto pratica | 07:02 |
| k8 | lool | 07:02 |
| k8 | where are you from? | 07:02 |
| milhouse | UK (London) | 07:02 |
| k8 | :) | 07:03 |
| k8 | florence (mugello) | 07:03 |
| milhouse | nice :) | 07:04 |
| k8 | :) | 07:04 |
| k8 | i go to bed..thx to all! | 07:04 |
| k8 | nite! | 07:04 |
| milhouse | not surprised... very late where you are (late for me too) | 07:04 |
| milhouse | cya | 07:04 |
| * k8 is away: sleep | 07:04 | |
| k8 | now is 6.00 a.m | 07:05 |
| k8 | << | 07:05 |
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| unique311 | I need a script that will tell a program to be run from terminal | 07:30 |
| unique311 | not sure if that makes sense | 07:30 |
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| GreySim | Grr. A week spent perfecting my 770 setup, and it looks like I'm having to reflash because the package manager freaked out while installing Tasks, and now I can't install or uninstall anything. :( | 08:11 |
| unique311 | apt-get -f install in terminal | 08:14 |
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| GreySim | rafb.net/p/i2pZxJ91.html | 08:21 |
| GreySim | That's the results of the apt-get command. | 08:22 |
| sparr | ouch | 08:22 |
| sparr | edit /var/lib/dpkg/status | 08:22 |
| sparr | look at the line in question | 08:22 |
| sparr | might be an easy fix, might be a trashed status file | 08:22 |
| sparr | if the latter... ouch | 08:22 |
| sparr | but, im sympathetic | 08:22 |
| sparr | if you flash, ill flash :) | 08:22 |
| GreySim | Anyone know how to jump straight to that line in vim? | 08:23 |
| sparr | 1234g | 08:23 |
| sparr | 3783g, that is :) | 08:23 |
| * GreySim sighs. | 08:27 | |
| sparr | bad news? | 08:27 |
| GreySim | No idea how to copy and paste it now. I'm somewhat familiar with vim, but I still haven't used it much. | 08:27 |
| sparr | just retype that line here | 08:27 |
| sparr | verbatim | 08:27 |
| GreySim | It *looks* normal though, aside from some kind of hash in the conffiles section. Okay, one sec. | 08:27 |
| sparr | it should say | 08:28 |
| sparr | Depends: somepackagename, someotherpackagename | 08:28 |
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| GreySim | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libdbus-1-2 )(>= 0.61), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.61), libgconf2-6 (>= 2.6.4.14), libglib2.0-0 (>=2.8.6-1osso1), (>= 1.12-1), | 08:31 |
| GreySim | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libdbus-1-2 (>= 0.61), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.61), libgconf2-6 (>= 2.6.4.14), libglib2.0-0 (>=2.8.6-1osso1), (>= 1.12-1), | 08:31 |
| sparr | that last bit | 08:31 |
| GreySim | Rather. | 08:31 |
| sparr | get rid of ", (>= 1.12-1)," | 08:31 |
| sparr | so it ends "osso1)" | 08:31 |
| GreySim | Oh, I screwed something up. Dunno if I spaced out somehow while typing or what, hold on. Sorry. :\ | 08:32 |
| GreySim | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libdbus-1-2 (>= 0.61), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.61), libgconf2-6 (>= 2.6.4.14), libglib2.0-0 (>=2.8.6-1osso1), libosso1 (>= 1.12-1), | 08:32 |
| sparr | heh, ok then | 08:32 |
| sparr | get rid of the trailing comma | 08:32 |
| sparr | is that the last line of the file? | 08:32 |
| GreySim | Nope. | 08:33 |
| sparr | no idea what could cause that to happen | 08:33 |
| sparr | the comma is probably the problem, though | 08:33 |
| sparr | do an apt-get update after | 08:33 |
| sparr | see if the comma comes back | 08:33 |
| sparr | either way, i suspect your system might be broken in some way or another | 08:33 |
| GreySim | So is apt-get enabled by default now then? Reading around previous reading material, it sounded like something you had to explicitly activate... | 08:35 |
| sparr | its not something thats 'enabled', although you have to add it to the sudoers file if youre running a stock install | 08:35 |
| * GreySim has it set up for 'sudo su -' | 08:36 | |
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| sparr | if youre doing this stuff ON the 770 as user... you should seriously look into getting a ssh client so you can fix things like this from a real computer | 08:36 |
| sparr | ok then, yeah, apt-get is always available for root | 08:36 |
| sparr | its what application manager uses | 08:36 |
| sparr | and synaptic | 08:36 |
| _Monkey | synaptic is on maemo.org repository | 08:36 |
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| GreySim | Problem with ssh is, no wifi router at home (bricked my WRT54G), and I haven't been able to get the USB thing working yet. | 08:37 |
| sparr | :( | 08:37 |
| sparr | you ruined my plans | 08:37 |
| sparr | i thought you were toast... i really was gonna flash if you did | 08:37 |
| sparr | still might | 08:37 |
| sparr | only have a days configuration to lose | 08:37 |
| mmlj4 | would it be safe to dist-upgrade from mistral to gregale? or am I asking for trouble? | 08:37 |
| sparr | and i need a fresh install to work on my blog :) | 08:37 |
| GreySim | Wait, what do you mean? I can still flash. Still might have to even. | 08:37 |
| GreySim | I just haven't got USB networking working. | 08:38 |
| GreySim | No comma after update. | 08:38 |
| sparr | mmlj4: im not to the point of trusting upgrade even within one distribution, let alone a dist-upgrade. best of luck to you. | 08:38 |
| mmlj4 | heh | 08:38 |
| * GreySim tries -f install again. | 08:38 | |
| sparr | GreySim: ok, your system is usable now. but im 90% sure something is still broken and you wont find out until it bites you | 08:38 |
| mmlj4 | what's the worst that could happen? i haven't had the pleasure of bricking in a while ;-) | 08:39 |
| GreySim | Still says /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure is not found, but it configured Tasks the rest of the way. | 08:39 |
| sparr | mmlj4: bricking. so far i havent thought of a way to perma-brick a 770 without hardware hacks | 08:39 |
| sparr | GreySim: yeah, its gonna say that a lot. ignore it. | 08:39 |
| * GreySim is glad to hear that at least. | 08:39 | |
| GreySim | Heh, okay. | 08:39 |
| sparr | oversight on nokia's part with regards to packaging scripts | 08:40 |
| * GreySim thinks the failure in general might've been lack of space, though Tasks is tiny, so dunno. | 08:40 | |
| sparr | mmlj4: when i had my gp2x i bricked it to the point of requiring a JTAG connection to reflash once :) | 08:40 |
| mmlj4 | oh, nice | 08:40 |
| GreySim | I think that's what my router needs at this point. | 08:41 |
| GreySim | If it's even savable. | 08:41 |
| sparr | i had to BUILD a serial cable | 08:41 |
| sparr | out of parts | 08:41 |
| sparr | cut two old serial mouse cords to make it :) | 08:41 |
| GreySim | Nice. | 08:41 |
| * GreySim *might* still reflash. Starting with a clean device after a week of poking and prodding might not be a bad idea. | 08:43 | |
| mmlj4 | hrm, booting from the memory card, sounds nice: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ | 08:43 |
| mmlj4 | claims to double the speed of the OS | 08:44 |
| GreySim | Hmm. May have to reflash actually. | 08:45 |
| GreySim | 'apt-get remove tasks' froze the thing. | 08:45 |
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| GreySim | ...to the point where holding down the power button won't restart it. o.o | 08:47 |
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| unique311 | > file gtkmydrawwidget.c: line 202 | 08:49 |
| unique311 | > (gtk_my_draw_widget_process_motion_or_button): assertion failed: | 08:49 |
| unique311 | > (pressure >= 0 && pressure <= 1) ) | 08:49 |
| unique311 | 08:49 | |
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| unique311 | As a quickfix you can edit the file above and print/clamp/rescale the | 08:49 |
| unique311 | pressure value. Do not just remove the assertion, this will cause more | 08:49 |
| unique311 | errors later. | 08:49 |
| unique311 | i don't get his quickfix | 08:50 |
| unique311 | How do i go about print clamping and rescaling the pressure value? | 08:50 |
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| sparr | AwaySim[Filing]: let me know if you flash | 09:03 |
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| cbx33 | hey all | 09:15 |
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| tigert | morning people | 09:17 |
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| AwaySim[Filing] | sparr: I will within the next 30-45 minutes probably. | 09:26 |
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| GreySim | sparr: Gonna reflash in the next 10 minutes probably. | 09:50 |
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| GreySim | I haven't reflashed yet, but with USB networking, do you always have to run a command on the server every time you want to connect? | 10:03 |
| GreySim | (Not that I can even get it to connect manually thus far.) | 10:03 |
| GreySim | sparr: Downloading the image now. Still around? | 10:07 |
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| GreySim | Will a failed flash brick the device? | 10:28 |
| GreySim | 770, that is. | 10:28 |
| GreySim | Someone earlier was saying it was fairly unbrickable, but I'm just making sure it's the fact that my laptop USB is messed up that's causing the problem, and that I didn't manage to kill both my laptop and 770 in the same night. | 10:30 |
| GreySim | Because that leaves me with a 400 MHz tower, and that'll just be sad. | 10:30 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
| Gathaja | what's the current situation in using n800 for video calls? That internet call invitation beta trial period seems to have ended. | 10:48 |
| Gathaja | morning | 10:48 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:48 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 10:54 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:19 |
| _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! | 11:19 |
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| apple2 | I'm just installing the maemo development environment and Xephyr doenst start | 11:28 |
| saaib__770 | hehe finally! | 11:28 |
| apple2 | I'm using the script from the maemo tutorial and running it outside scratchbox | 11:29 |
| saaib__770 | apple2, do you have Xephyr installed in the host? or running from scratchbox path? | 11:31 |
| apple2 | I dont have it in the host | 11:32 |
| apple2 | I get it from /scratchbox/..... | 11:32 |
| saaib__770 | als, did you install the Maemo rootstrap? | 11:33 |
| apple2 | yes | 11:33 |
| apple2 | the full one | 11:33 |
| apple2 | It finds it but | 11:33 |
| saaib__770 | So, what error yu get? | 11:33 |
| apple2 | doesnt show the window | 11:33 |
| apple2 | no error | 11:34 |
| apple2 | it does only show how to use it | 11:34 |
| apple2 | Its syntax | 11:34 |
| saaib__770 | How are you running Xephyr? | 11:35 |
| apple2 | I just installed it in the host | 11:35 |
| apple2 | and it is ok | 11:35 |
| apple2 | thanks | 11:35 |
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| apple2 | Its running!! | 11:38 |
| saaib__770 | :) | 11:39 |
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| keesj | Hi | 12:00 |
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| saaib__770 | Hi keesj | 12:06 |
| guardian | morning | 12:08 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 12:08 |
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| pupnik_ | arbeiten!!! | 12:11 |
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| timeless | hello keesj | 12:15 |
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| tigert | man, what a weather | 12:20 |
| solmumaha | hate it too | 12:21 |
| tigert | the weather is awesome :) | 12:21 |
| solmumaha | oh, nm then | 12:21 |
| tigert | :)) | 12:21 |
| timeless | GreySim: what's wrong w/ installing XTerm, ssh, and sshing in from the xterm? | 12:22 |
| timeless | sparr: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure is a very strange oversight, given that everyone internally knows about it and has for a while. you'd think if it was a real oversight and was known, it'd have been fixed. | 12:22 |
| timeless | tigert: i need to talk to someone like you about declassifying some portion of ui specifications. mostly basics like "why shouldn't I have 30 menu items in a single menu?" | 12:22 |
| tigert | yeah | 12:22 |
| tigert | that needs to be discussed within our team in any case soon, now that people are back from vacations | 12:22 |
| timeless | i'd just as soon use google docs and spreadsheets to post things | 12:22 |
| tigert | yeah | 12:22 |
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| timeless | it gives me enough control and the ability to share things internally and then let everyone see it once you guys agree | 12:23 |
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| timeless | Gathaja: yes video call expired, they know, they're trying to come up with a solutio | 12:26 |
| timeless | n | 12:26 |
| tigert | a solution is another N800 of course :) | 12:27 |
| timeless | ++tigert | 12:27 |
| timeless | yes, please help our budget, buy an n800 for your friend | 12:27 |
| timeless | that's what i did | 12:27 |
| timeless | well, ok, i sorta procured instead of purchased, but it's close enough :) | 12:27 |
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| keesj | :p | 12:28 |
| pupnik_ | finally \o/ psemu-drive-cdrmooby_2.8+o-2_armel.deb | 12:28 |
| timeless | tigert: ok, so lemme start doc'ing things and see which go where | 12:28 |
| tigert | timeless: well. I think it might be better to start with the "permission" part | 12:29 |
| tigert | before pushing classified stuff to google docs :) | 12:29 |
| timeless | i have ~20 docs of my own to write up | 12:29 |
| tigert | oh ok, yea, I dont have anything to say about your own docs | 12:30 |
| timeless | but i can write some basic ui guidelines like why 30 menuitems are bad | 12:30 |
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| tigert | if you feel like doing that - we have to do similar stuff in the future anyway | 12:30 |
| timeless | btw, for people following bugs.maemo.org, i've filed two more bugs hoping to give more examples of how to file bugs | 12:30 |
| timeless | tigert: i need to wontfix a bug | 12:30 |
| timeless | part of it is explaining why the request is bad | 12:30 |
| timeless | which means i need a doc anyway | 12:31 |
| timeless | woohoo | 12:31 |
| * timeless gets approval to send a tshirt | 12:31 | |
| robtaylor | Gathaja: apparenltly its possible to build telepathy-gabble, farsight,empathy and mission control on windows | 12:32 |
| timeless | hrm, will printing this 1 page google email require 100mb of printer data like the last one did? | 12:32 |
| Gathaja | thanks timeless & robtaylor | 12:36 |
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| timeless | hrm, i need to find someone's title | 12:39 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:11 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 13:11 |
| pupnik_ | hi lardman :) | 13:12 |
| lardman | hi pupnik_ | 13:12 |
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| lardman | onion: ping | 13:13 |
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| lardman | onion: Just wanted to check that you're using the OSM data for the mapping (I assume you are), I'm interested in looking at how to do routing (on your ToDo) | 13:16 |
| lardman | bbl | 13:16 |
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| trevarthan | morning! | 14:06 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 14:06 |
| trevarthan | Anyone know how to turn off Maemo's screen via dbus? | 14:07 |
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| jani | trevarthan: i think osmeone asked that in maemo-devel some time ago .. | 14:08 |
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| YTY | hej, can anyone tell me, if there is some kind of hyperterminal software for n800? i've tried minicom, but i haven't found any suitable binaries.. | 14:19 |
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| pupnik_ | YTY what is your favorite terminal program for linux? | 14:30 |
| pupnik_ | preferably curses-based | 14:31 |
| pupnik_ | and do you need exotic protocols (3270 etc)? | 14:31 |
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| Jaffa | x3270 compiles to a curses interface too (c3270), IIRC | 14:37 |
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| YTY | pupnik_: actually i'm a newbie (aka idiot) when it comes to linux, so i've so far basic x terminal :) and i won't be needing any special protocols | 14:38 |
| kulve | YTY: are you now talking about normal xterm..? | 14:40 |
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| YTY | yep | 14:40 |
| kulve | so, get osso-xterm | 14:40 |
| kulve | minicom is meant to be used for connections using serial cable.. | 14:41 |
| YTY | sorry, i meant that i already have osso-xterm, but i cannot use minicom through it | 14:41 |
| pupnik_ | what kind of system to you want to connect-to? | 14:41 |
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| kulve | YTY: and how..? | 14:42 |
| YTY | pupnik_: it is an accelerometer, which is bluetooth-connected | 14:42 |
| kulve | oh | 14:42 |
| kulve | nice | 14:42 |
| YTY | i haven't got any experience with linux, so iä | 14:43 |
| kulve | yes, iä | 14:43 |
| YTY | m bit confused at the moment | 14:43 |
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| pupnik_ | and you connect to the accelerometer with what, in windows? | 14:44 |
| pupnik_ | hyperterm? | 14:44 |
| YTY | yep | 14:44 |
| YTY | and i have made a little software that uses msdn-libs :) | 14:45 |
| pupnik_ | i think you're on the right track with the minicom idea | 14:46 |
| kulve | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO.html | 14:46 |
| kulve | or skip the minicom and write a simple GUI app :) | 14:46 |
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| YTY | the problem seems to be that the minicom binaries are too new for my n800 | 14:46 |
| YTY | but then i would have to get linux on my computer :) | 14:47 |
| kulve | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 14:47 |
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| pupnik_ | my serial line experience under *nix is about 15 years old so i can't help much | 14:48 |
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| kulve | pupnik_: well, it probably haven't changed during that time :) | 14:48 |
| kulve | I've written a small serial app, it's not very complicated | 14:48 |
| pupnik_ | so when you make a bluetooth connection - what does it bind to under /dev? | 14:48 |
| pupnik_ | cua? | 14:49 |
| kulve | I think those are /dev/rfcomm, maybe? | 14:49 |
| kulve | after the bt device has been paired normally | 14:49 |
| kulve | Just guessing, though.. | 14:49 |
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| luck^ | YTY, you can use this one: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ it includes an updated SDK | 14:57 |
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| pupnik_ | i remember binding my terminal to the serial device somehow | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | and not using any 'terminal program' | 15:00 |
| * k8 is back (gone 07:55:29) | 15:00 | |
| konttori | jaffa: thanks for the mplayer tip | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | hi konttori | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | did you see the trick i discovered to eliminate color banding in mplayer? | 15:00 |
| konttori | No, I haven't tried mplayer yet. | 15:01 |
| * pupnik_ is amazed :) | 15:01 | |
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| konttori_ | hey, who made mplayer so much faster than previous version? | 15:17 |
| konttori_ | It seems roughly 30% faster | 15:17 |
| pupnik_ | ssvb | 15:19 |
| pupnik_ | it's possibly the most optimized app for the tablets | 15:20 |
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| pupnik_ | third party that is | 15:20 |
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| YTY | does any one have minicom_2.1-9_armel.deb because it might work on n800? | 15:23 |
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| zuh | http://www.grahamdavies.net/bora_debs/ <- there seems to be one | 15:25 |
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| YTY | zuh: thanks, somehow i couldn't find it, and the link that i had was dead | 15:26 |
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| zuh | I just pasted the file name to google... :P | 15:33 |
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| robtaylor | hh | 15:36 |
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| pupnik_ | siarhei is a hero: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg07515.html | 15:40 |
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| timeless | pupnik: yeah, we do expect to have a 770 build pushed this week :) | 15:42 |
| pupnik_ | build of microb? | 15:43 |
| timeless | yeah | 15:43 |
| pupnik_ | nice :) is ssvb working on it? | 15:43 |
| timeless | ssvb? | 15:43 |
| _Monkey | ssvb is god | 15:43 |
| YTY | zuh: now i found it also, i just had some search filters on :D | 15:43 |
| timeless | never met creature? | 15:43 |
| pupnik_ | oh i thought your 'yeah we' was in response to my last post | 15:44 |
| timeless | i expect to have a blog announcement re 770 before an announcement of "meet the team" | 15:44 |
| pupnik_ | very nice! | 15:44 |
| pupnik_ | from what i read it is much more modern than the opera on the 770 | 15:45 |
| timeless | kinda silly, but yes | 15:45 |
| timeless | even blog/1 should make that clear | 15:45 |
| pupnik_ | well this is the most exciting news for 770 | 15:46 |
| pupnik_ | and it can also be the basis for future tablets | 15:46 |
| * pupnik_ tips hat | 15:46 | |
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| konttori_ | Sorry to be asking Really silly question, but I somehow messed up mu osso configuration for ukmp and I can't get it working anymore. | 15:50 |
| konttori_ | I have this in the MediaCenter executable: osso_c = osso.Context("MediaCenter", "1.0", False) | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | And in desktop file, I have: Exec=/usr/bin/MediaCenter | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | X-Osso-Service=MediaCenter | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | Icon=ukmp | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | Type=Application | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | StartupWMClass=MediaCenter | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | And service is: [D-BUS Service] | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | Name=com.nokia.MediaCenter | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | Exec=/usr/bin/MediaCenter | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | When I try to open it up, I get: ossoexception:cannot initialize context | 15:52 |
| konttori_ | It's probably something really simple, I just haven't figured it out. | 15:52 |
| konttori_ | (and someone else probably can see it in a sec) | 15:52 |
| pupnik | is there a file i can compare that to on my system? | 15:53 |
| konttori_ | what kind of file? | 15:54 |
| pupnik | what desktop file is that? ukmp.desktop? | 15:54 |
| konttori_ | MediaCenter.desktop | 15:54 |
| konttori_ | and MediaCenter.service | 15:54 |
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| pupnik | ok nm i don't have that | 15:56 |
| whaq_ | A2DP jabra deal on shnoop.com | 15:57 |
| konttori_ | all right. I dropped the osso code completely. Easier that way | 15:57 |
| whaq_ | has anyone used that Jabra? I wonder how long the actual battery life is.. | 15:57 |
| konttori_ | oh damn, now I'm missing the application icon. | 15:57 |
| konttori_ | oh well | 15:57 |
| jait | konttori_: have you tried to resolve the problem with thememaker and latest IT OS release? | 16:00 |
| konttori_ | I have | 16:00 |
| konttori_ | But no results | 16:00 |
| konttori_ | I wasn't able to find any java lib that would produce a tar that the n800 would open | 16:00 |
| jait | oh shoot | 16:01 |
| konttori_ | just about everythin opened just fine on n770 or on my osx | 16:01 |
| konttori_ | Seems like the tar in n800 is overly sensitive | 16:01 |
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| jait | i wonder how many bytes of flash they saved by making busybox-tar that crippled | 16:02 |
| konttori_ | Probably at least 10 bytes | 16:03 |
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| pupnik | there's a binutils package - that might have tar | 16:04 |
| konttori_ | yeah, but the tar that is causing problems is the one used in dpkg. | 16:04 |
| jait | yes, i'm pretty sure that running the standard GNU tar on N800 would work | 16:05 |
| jait | perhaps you should file a bug to get it fixed in the next release? | 16:05 |
| konttori_ | true | 16:07 |
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| konttori_ | I'll do that once I get the osso thing functioning again | 16:07 |
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| Tu13es | hm | 16:24 |
| Tu13es | when I try to update my repo list, it says unable to update, but the list is updated | 16:24 |
| Tu13es | and when i try to update any individual app | 16:24 |
| Tu13es | it says "unable to update" and the item disappears | 16:24 |
| Tu13es | as if it actually did update | 16:25 |
| Tu13es | any ideas? | 16:25 |
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| * pupnik runs the first playstation game on a 770 in the history of the world :P | 16:28 | |
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| konttori_ | phew. FInally got the app configured correctly. | 16:38 |
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| konttori_ | sweet I also have a seek bar in ukmp. also, Jaffa: I got the mplayer screengrabs working. | 16:41 |
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| konttori_ | Still need to tune the screengrabs a bit, but it's looking good so far. | 16:42 |
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| Blacksitox | hola | 16:46 |
| _Monkey | niihau, Blacksitox | 16:46 |
| Blacksitox | heya _Monkey | 16:46 |
| _Monkey | i guess i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | 16:46 |
| timeless | _monkey literal heya _monkey | 16:46 |
| _Monkey | timeless: i'm not following you... | 16:46 |
| timeless | _monkey literal _monkey | 16:46 |
| _Monkey | timeless: _monkey =is= the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | 16:46 |
| timeless | _monkey: you are also an annoying bot | 16:47 |
| _Monkey | okay, timeless. | 16:47 |
| timeless | _monkey _monkey =~ s/or/|/ | 16:47 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless | 16:47 |
| timeless | _monkey: _monkey? | 16:47 |
| _Monkey | i am an annoying bot | 16:47 |
| timeless | _monkey: _monkey? | 16:47 |
| _Monkey | well, i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | 16:47 |
| timeless | good bot | 16:47 |
| timeless | _monkey: good bot | 16:47 |
| _Monkey | :) | 16:47 |
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| timeless | _monkey: have a crusty gnat infested bot snack | 16:48 |
| _Monkey | :) | 16:48 |
| timeless | sorry, it's a bot. kick it while it's around? | 16:48 |
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| erstazi | heh timeless | 16:58 |
| timeless | oh, btw, that's a demo of how to (ab)use infobots | 16:59 |
| timeless | not a complete demo of all their functionality, but at least a couple of pieces | 16:59 |
| timeless | so, now you know how to get it to give multiple responses | 16:59 |
| timeless | and if you were paying attn, you know how to find out the whole data field | 17:00 |
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| Shurik_ | good morning all | 17:15 |
| Shurik_ | completely idiotic question - what is the best way to tell tablet's IP address? | 17:15 |
| Shurik_ | is there ifconfig for n800? | 17:16 |
| zaf | /sbin/ifconfig is what i do | 17:16 |
| Shurik_ | let's see | 17:16 |
| Desensitize | anyone use ushare? | 17:17 |
| Desensitize | or have any experience with it? | 17:17 |
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| mgedmin | Shurik_: if you're looking from a user's perspective, there's an app (Connection Manager, iirc) that shows you the IP | 17:18 |
| Shurik_ | oh | 17:18 |
| Shurik_ | that might be a way for me to go as well | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | in the menu, Internet connection -> IP address | 17:18 |
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| sparr | timeless: i agree, re dpkg-preconfigure. im not sure why its missing | 17:25 |
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| dev | Desensitize: I used ushare | 17:31 |
| Desensitize | dev: do u know exactly how u can stream the content? | 17:32 |
| Desensitize | dev: i get as far as the web interface, but i cant see a way to actualy stream? | 17:33 |
| dev | Desensitize: you need a UPnP client, as ushare is "only" a UPnP server | 17:34 |
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| dev | Desensitize: clients are on the N770/N800 are the filemanager/mediaplayer, canola,... | 17:36 |
| dev | one are too much | 17:36 |
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| dev | Desensitize: Nokias Media Streamer not to be left out | 17:37 |
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| Desensitize | dev, thankyou | 17:37 |
| dev | you're welcome | 17:37 |
| kulve | n800 has upnp backend for gnomevfs, so all apps using gnomevfs "properly" can handle content from upnp automatically | 17:38 |
| kulve | lardman|lab: some questions about dsp, if you have time at some point | 17:40 |
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| zaf | is it a good idea to install this? OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 | 17:48 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=68124&postcount=32 :D :D :D | 17:49 |
| zaf | pupnik, beautiful! | 17:49 |
| zaf | heh | 17:49 |
| sparr | zaf: not especially. its nice because of features, but less supported | 17:50 |
| zaf | sparr, what if i want to run the mozilla-based browser on the 770? | 17:50 |
| sparr | minimo will run on the 770. if you want mozilla though, feel free to try :) | 17:50 |
| zaf | is minimo going to do ajax? | 17:52 |
| sparr | probably | 17:52 |
| pupnik | wait about a week zaf - nice surprise coming | 17:52 |
| zaf | hmm, i'll try that first then, hhe | 17:52 |
| zaf | pupnik, PS1 u mean? | 17:52 |
| pupnik | no new browser | 17:53 |
| zaf | ah, cool | 17:53 |
| zaf | :) | 17:53 |
| zaf | tell me now and i promise to act surprised next week | 17:53 |
| zaf | heh | 17:53 |
| pupnik | 14:33 < timeless> pupnik: yeah, we do expect to have a 770 build pushed this week :) | 17:55 |
| zaf | we're writing some web-based apps for customers, and hoping to tweak them to run well on the tablets | 17:55 |
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| sparr | zaf: whats wrong with opera? | 18:07 |
| zaf | doesn't seem to do ajax | 18:07 |
| Shurik_ | gmail works | 18:07 |
| Shurik_ | and google reader too | 18:08 |
| Shurik_ | so should run ajax | 18:08 |
| zaf | well, it doesn't like zimbra's ajax for one ;) | 18:08 |
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| zaf | google's is very light | 18:08 |
| Nermal | hello :) | 18:08 |
| Nermal | couple of questions ... | 18:09 |
| zaf | mostly i just want to compare how the different browsers work for now | 18:09 |
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| sparr | if you think gmail is light ajax... youve got problems | 18:09 |
| Shurik_ | :-D | 18:09 |
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| Nermal | are there any "sky at night" star dome apps that have been ported to the nokia 770/800 ? if not, is there a generic guide of how to start hildon-ising an app ? | 18:10 |
| sparr | check out maemostars | 18:13 |
| Nermal | ooh :D | 18:13 |
| * Nermal continues to wait for his 770 to arrive | 18:14 | |
| Shurik_ | people, stop buyin 770s :) | 18:15 |
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| trevarthan | yeah, no kidding. 770s suck. no sdhc. | 18:16 |
| * trevarthan runs away | 18:16 | |
| Shurik_ | if 770 had a IrD, I'd buy it to be remote control/x10 :) | 18:16 |
| soolek | doesn't matter 2gig is more than enougjt for the most of users :) | 18:16 |
| soolek | enough | 18:16 |
| _Monkey | enough is enough | 18:16 |
| Shurik_ | but even 330 on n800 is not enough | 18:17 |
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| Shurik_ | 330 Mhz | 18:17 |
| trevarthan | someone needs to put _Monkey into speak when you're spoken to mode. | 18:17 |
| gla55_ | 770's are so cheap | 18:18 |
| Shurik_ | true | 18:18 |
| pupnik | woo software scaling to 570x410 takes pcsx down to about 40 fpm | 18:18 |
| gla55_ | i was tempted to buy one just to display news on the fridge door | 18:18 |
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| mgedmin | anyone here tried flashing n800 firmware from ubuntu gutsy? | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | "Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed!" | 18:18 |
| timeless | you don't like passive mode? | 18:18 |
| soolek | unless it doesnt brake :) I've already have third one from expansys after two with stripes on the screen after about a week | 18:19 |
| pupnik | a third 770? | 18:20 |
| soolek | yes | 18:20 |
| pupnik | :( | 18:20 |
| soolek | http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~gs20787/n770/ <-- this what happened with the last two | 18:21 |
| Shurik_ | get one n800 :) | 18:21 |
| soolek | after less than week each | 18:21 |
| Shurik_ | ouch | 18:21 |
| zaf | soolek, don't put it in your back pocket anymore | 18:22 |
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| soolek | I never do. Each time it freezed and stopped responding. After removing the battery and putting it back the screen got broken. | 18:23 |
| lardman | pupnik: That is fpm, I was thinking 70fps - and I though that sounded pretty bloody impressive! | 18:23 |
| pupnik | hehehe | 18:23 |
| pupnik | :D | 18:23 |
| lardman | what kind of speed was it achieving on the Zaurus? | 18:24 |
| * lardman can't remember, never used pdaXrom | 18:24 | |
| pupnik | i doubt the stock pcsx would be playable on zaurus either | 18:25 |
| trevarthan | what is "OMAP McSPI"? taking up a ton of CPU on my n800. | 18:26 |
| trevarthan | OMAP McSPI? | 18:26 |
| trevarthan | good for nothing monkey | 18:26 |
| timeless | heh | 18:27 |
| lardman | multi-channel serial port interface? | 18:27 |
| lardman | multichannel serial peripheral interface (bus) | 18:28 |
| trevarthan | Is it attached to the screen or something? | 18:28 |
| pupnik | at least this shows you don't need more than 64MB 1942 user R 15M 1764 89.9 24.9 pcsx | 18:28 |
| lardman | Isn't everything attached to it? | 18:29 |
| trevarthan | har har | 18:29 |
| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8411 should be named on there I imagine | 18:31 |
| lardman | in the schematic that is | 18:31 |
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| zaf | is there a way to make the backlight always stay on when plugged into power? | 19:04 |
| erstazi | zaf, yes | 19:05 |
| erstazi | its on the ITT forums some where, I found it but I don't remember what the URL is, let me check history | 19:05 |
| zaf | thx | 19:05 |
| pupnik | acmonitor? | 19:05 |
| _Monkey | i think acmonitor is N800 version at http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb and N770 version at http://pupnik.de/acmonitor.html | 19:05 |
| zaf | 404 for 770 link | 19:06 |
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| pupnik | oops pupnik.de/800powr.html | 19:07 |
| zaf | pupnik, thanks | 19:07 |
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| sparr | time to flash! | 19:26 |
| zaf | hrm, "RSS feed reader" no longer loads | 19:26 |
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| kulve | lardman|gone: damn, you're gone again.. :) | 19:37 |
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| VladDrac | awwwwww SCOX -72% :) | 19:41 |
| `0660 | good time to start buying it now that it's pretty low :p | 19:43 |
| ||cw | i don't think it's gonna ever get better | 19:43 |
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| `0660 | why do you think so? they have great products! :) | 19:44 |
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| zaf | hrm, anyone have instructions on how to flash in linu? I get "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" | 19:58 |
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| pupnik | that's the correct message | 19:58 |
| pupnik | then you turn the nokia on holding down the home key (iirc) | 19:58 |
| whaq_ | looooool | 19:58 |
| zaf | ah, thx | 19:58 |
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| pupnik | anybody want to be the second person to run a Playstation game on the tablet? http://pupnik.de/pcsx.html | 20:02 |
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| trevarthan | New Kagu Released thanks to disq's hard work today: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=68157 | 20:18 |
| pupnik | what's AVRCP? | 20:19 |
| orakle | http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Learn/Glossary/ | 20:20 |
| orakle | 4th one down | 20:20 |
| orakle | pretty neat | 20:20 |
| pupnik | kewl | 20:20 |
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| sparr | http://sparrsstuff.com/ssh_and_root | 20:24 |
| trevarthan | made a comment explaining that: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=68160&posted=1#post68160 | 20:25 |
| sparr | gonna populate my site with space saving tips | 20:28 |
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| bedboi | is it possible to install bash? if i try to do this apt wants to remove quite all the packages | 20:28 |
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| cbx33 | hey all | 20:29 |
| cbx33 | who was talking about getting python running properly in SB | 20:29 |
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| cbx33 | I think I've done it | 20:29 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 20:29 |
| sparr | bedboi: the problem is that bash depends on debianutils and coreutils, which conflict with busybox, and pretty much everything depends on busybox. | 20:29 |
| cbx33 | well, managed to get gstreamer working anyway | 20:29 |
| sparr | nokia screwed up when they didnt make busybox Provides debianutils and coreutils | 20:30 |
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| sparr | *A* solution would be to equivs-ify a package that Provides debianutils and coreutils and can live alongside busybox. worth a try. dont blame me if you brick though | 20:31 |
| pupnik | nice to have a real debianisti on-board sparr | 20:32 |
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| sparr | im an amateur with a sledgehammer :) | 20:32 |
| sparr | hence my theme solution | 20:33 |
| trevarthan | Added a clarification describing how to access the new SongPositionView: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=68162&posted=1#post68162 | 20:33 |
| Mikho | sledgehammer rocks | 20:34 |
| cbx33 | Grrrrrrrr | 20:34 |
| Mikho | or was it Sledge Hammer? | 20:34 |
| cbx33 | gstreamer just won't debug | 20:34 |
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| cbx33 | anyone know much about python and gstreamer on maemo platform | 20:36 |
| cbx33 | http://pastebin.ca/655789 | 20:36 |
| cbx33 | I'm working on that, but it's not working | 20:37 |
| cbx33 | is it cos it's oggs you think? | 20:37 |
| disq | gstreamer? we had problems with it in kagu and switched to osso-media-server | 20:37 |
| disq | i think it was about EOS, it wouldn't report end of song correctly | 20:38 |
| cbx33 | disq how good is osso-media-server? | 20:41 |
| cbx33 | i want to play several samples at once | 20:41 |
| disq | in fact you can see our gstplayer code from https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/gstplayer.py?rev=255 | 20:41 |
| disq | osso-media-server can play just one song | 20:41 |
| cbx33 | ok | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | i need to mix several samples together | 20:42 |
| disq | you send it the filename via dbus, it starts playing, and emits signals about the playback state and end of song | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | cool | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | sounds useful | 20:42 |
| cbx33 | unfortunately not for me | 20:42 |
| disq | yeah | 20:42 |
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| * mgedmin hates osso-media-server with a passion | 20:44 | |
| mgedmin | well, I assume I hate it, I don't actually know which bit of the infrastructure is at fault | 20:45 |
| disq | any specific reasons? | 20:45 |
| sparr | anyone with a stock 770? i need the precise file size of /home/user/MyDocs/.videos/Discovery.avi | 20:45 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 20:45 |
| disq | mgedmin: it will also pause playing if you get a voip call | 20:45 |
| cbx33 | cool | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | disq: lagging (press pause, it still plays for a second or so) and confusion when multiple frontends try to use it at the same time | 20:46 |
| timeless | sparr: technically busybox isn't (c) nokia | 20:46 |
| timeless | erm i meant to say scratchbox | 20:46 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | (pause a song in canola, click on an audio link in a browser, watch the resulting confusion) | 20:46 |
| timeless | boy, i'm confused, i should go home | 20:46 |
| disq | mgedmin: ah. yeah. | 20:46 |
| MoRpHeUz | mgedmin: i have the same feeling.. =P | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | sometimes when you have a song paused and want to play a different one (and click on a mp3 in file manager) | 20:47 |
| timeless | does canola use libplayback? | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | it still plays a fraction of a second of the old song before starting the new one | 20:48 |
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| mgedmin | looks like it starts playing before it starts feeding new audio data into some buffer | 20:48 |
| MoRpHeUz | mgedmin: oms sucks.. =( | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | just those little things that give a feeling of unfinishness | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | I remember when I first noticed that all volume mixers in linux use the same data and show my changes in realtime | 20:49 |
| disq | timeless: i suppose it does | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | I could have aumix in a terminal, a gnome volume mixer in a window, and whenever I changed one of those, the rest updated the display immediatelly | 20:49 |
| disq | i hate how pymaemo doesn't include some bindings for the 770 | 20:50 |
| disq | they didn't include the libconic0 binding. but there's a libconic0 package available for installation (i compiled it and put it up) | 20:51 |
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| luck^ | disq, we will include in the next release | 20:51 |
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| disq | luck^: please include all bindings you have for the n800 in the 770 release. | 20:53 |
| disq | also create libmokoui2 bindings :P | 20:54 |
| luck^ | disq, the only difference was the absence of libconic :) | 20:54 |
| sp3000 | ...and a pony | 20:54 |
| timeless | two ponies! | 20:54 |
| disq | luck^: that wouldn't break anything, would it? absence of the lib? | 20:54 |
| trevarthan | dammit, I want a HORSE! Screw that pony stuff! | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | sorry. I'll be good now. | 20:55 |
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| disq | trevarthan: do it in eric cartman voice | 20:55 |
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| * timeless ponders | 20:55 | |
| luck^ | disq, when we did the last release, libconic was available only on N800 | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | You killed my pony! | 20:55 |
| trevarthan | You bastard! | 20:55 |
| luck^ | :) | 20:55 |
| timeless | should my script treat the lack of .svn as a hint to mark an item as "unpublished"? :) | 20:56 |
| soolek | sparr: I should have this movie on a memory card w8 | 20:56 |
| disq | luck^: i know. it was only available on the n800 until the day I compiled libconic0 and put it up in maemo garage. so, other people can do the same with other missing (and compilable) libs | 20:56 |
| sparr | soolek: do you have the 5 stock images too? | 20:56 |
| soolek | there's a chance for that as it's my third nokia which I received recentely (previous two have broken) | 20:57 |
| soolek | gimme a minute | 20:57 |
| soolek | :-) | 20:57 |
| luck^ | disq, right.. and it will be available in the next release, together with other bindings and bugfixes | 20:58 |
| disq | gotta test the new kagu in 770 but i'm too lazy to pull up the second battery from my camera bag | 20:58 |
| disq | luck^: thanks for the info | 20:58 |
| sp3000 | timeless: oh, you read maemo-developers at all? | 20:59 |
| luck^ | disq, I'm doing some cleanup and reorganization in pymaemo webpage.. it will have some more information about roadmap | 20:59 |
| timeless | sp3000: heh, no | 20:59 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: someone was complaining about your change summary, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/25976 ;) | 20:59 |
| timeless | but i've actively considered not reading it :) | 20:59 |
| soolek | sparr: -rwxr-xr-x 1 user root 2717866 Jun 6 2006 Discovery.avi | 21:00 |
| soolek | and the pictures right? | 21:00 |
| sparr | yes | 21:00 |
| sparr | thanks | 21:00 |
| * timeless reads | 21:00 | |
| MoRpHeUz | mgedmin, disq: canola does not use libplayback... | 21:00 |
| timeless | same level of thought? | 21:01 |
| * timeless chuckles | 21:01 | |
| disq | do you think players that use ossomediaserver need to implement libplayback? OMS already implements it | 21:01 |
| timeless | did anyone read the change logs i sourced? | 21:01 |
| timeless | they were linked | 21:01 |
| timeless | (and they're typical) | 21:01 |
| vmarks | hey, is there a 770 xmms client someone's already compiled? | 21:02 |
| * vmarks dives into middle of what looks like a media related conversation | 21:02 | |
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| soolek | sparr I got them :-) | 21:03 |
| soolek | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 96393 Jun 14 2006 Otter.jpg | 21:03 |
| soolek | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 128609 Jun 14 2006 Pelicans.jpg | 21:03 |
| soolek | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 89909 Jun 14 2006 Rams.jpg | 21:03 |
| soolek | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 90550 Jun 14 2006 Sharks.jpg | 21:03 |
| soolek | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 88336 Jun 14 2006 Snowmonkey.jpg | 21:03 |
| disq | vmarks: xmms* doesn't use gstreamer so afaik it'll be hard to just compile and run | 21:03 |
| sparr | thanks a bunch | 21:03 |
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| soolek | np | 21:04 |
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| timeless | sp3000: arg | 21:05 |
| timeless | how many threads do i have to read? | 21:05 |
| timeless | this one looks worth reading | 21:05 |
| * timeless grumbles | 21:05 | |
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| * timeless also disagrees w/ qim | 21:05 | |
| timeless | no one else here would put the same level of thought into notes as i did | 21:05 |
| timeless | if i wasn't here, browser wouldn't have had anything like what it got | 21:06 |
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| timeless | and i disagree that conic shouldn't have good changelogs | 21:06 |
| timeless | however, i don't expect it to have them | 21:06 |
| disq | conic? somebody said conic? | 21:06 |
| disq | ah ok false alarm | 21:06 |
| timeless | because i know its approximate origin | 21:06 |
| timeless | disq: eh? | 21:06 |
| timeless | i'm reading http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/25976 | 21:06 |
| timeless | where microb and libconic are compared in some strange way | 21:07 |
| disq | seems like i missed the bit about conic | 21:07 |
| disq | ah, ok, i didn't. the GError | 21:07 |
| * timeless casts a magical whois spell on disq | 21:07 | |
| vmarks | disq: thank you. unfortunately, I need xmms2 client on 770. | 21:07 |
| sparr | soolek: thanks! http://sparrsstuff.com/pre-installed_media | 21:08 |
| timeless | disq: what's your relation to conic? | 21:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | disq: I need some more reading about libplayback in order to really give an opinion about it hehe... | 21:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | disq: but AFAIK, you're right... | 21:08 |
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| timeless | sp3000: btw, it should be noted that the changelog in question wasn't written in html | 21:09 |
| timeless | in case people are curious | 21:09 |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/4/index.txt | 21:09 |
| timeless | is what i actually wrote | 21:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | disq: if OMS can only play _one_ media at a given time, and all the players use it, it doesnt make too much sense to implement libplayback on all players | 21:09 |
| disq | MoRpHeUz: there's a message marc-andre posted in maemo-dev, some info there. but of course probably have access to internal documents :P | 21:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | disq: I read that message also hehe | 21:09 |
| timeless | btw, what sort of changelog do people expect for a package from upstream | 21:10 |
| timeless | e.g. if i am really stupid | 21:10 |
| timeless | and i choose to package kernel 2.14.0 | 21:10 |
| MoRpHeUz | disq: but it looks like that until now it's not that usefull (libplayback)....maybe some future feature ? | 21:10 |
| timeless | and then i provide an updated package kernel 2.16.22 | 21:10 |
| disq | timeless: no relation. it's just another lib i use for my projects :) | 21:10 |
| timeless | what kind of changelog do people expect? | 21:10 |
| apple2 | I just configured the arm target in scratchbox and when I do ./configure it says "if u meant to crosscompile use --host" | 21:10 |
| timeless | assume that i've really packaged 2.14.0-timeless_is_stupid-1 | 21:11 |
| timeless | and 2.16.22-timeless_is_insane-1 | 21:11 |
| timeless | with no versions between | 21:11 |
| `0660 | "upgraded to latest upstream"? | 21:12 |
| timeless | apple2: what are you building | 21:12 |
| disq | timeless: your changelog is fine for me, btw. and it's a good improvement (over the less or un-documented changes going on since the beginning of the initiative) | 21:12 |
| apple2 | Im building maemopad | 21:12 |
| timeless | disq: the builds that trickled in between weren't really intended to be pulled they were supposed to be covered by my changelog | 21:12 |
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| timeless | disq: do you agree w/ `0660? | 21:13 |
| timeless | i'm wondering because generally speaking, we're going to grab latest versions of gecko as we go | 21:14 |
| disq | let me see what he wrote first :) | 21:14 |
| timeless | and while i'm willing to link to burningedge | 21:14 |
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| timeless | i'm not willing to repeat his work or go into more detail | 21:14 |
| Blacksitox | hi | 21:14 |
| timeless | (i'd be willing to include burningedge and bonsai links) | 21:14 |
| `0660 | and you shouldn't | 21:14 |
| sp3000 | recursive changelogs sound ok | 21:14 |
| `0660 | links are plenty | 21:15 |
| timeless | ok | 21:15 |
| timeless | so, out of curiosity, did anyone actually read the actual browser changelogs? :) | 21:15 |
| timeless | (they're as bad as any others from nokia) | 21:15 |
| `0660 | i did | 21:15 |
| disq | i browsed them through quickly | 21:15 |
| timeless | interesting | 21:15 |
| timeless | did you get to them from the blog or using apt or something else (specify)? | 21:16 |
| disq | timeless, understand that we normally get zilch or near-zilch from nokia | 21:16 |
| timeless | disq: i'm well aware | 21:16 |
| timeless | i'm hoping to change things | 21:16 |
| `0660 | from irc :) | 21:16 |
| disq | i read them from the link in the maemo-dev thread, i think | 21:16 |
| timeless | from me you should hopefully get high quality or rants | 21:17 |
| `0660 | i wish application manager had an option to check the changelog | 21:17 |
| timeless | but hopefully i'll earn enough respect for people | 21:17 |
| timeless | i poked the dev about that already :) | 21:17 |
| timeless | he wondered if it was sufficient to install the apt-paranoid thing | 21:17 |
| disq | `0660: me too. and an option that actually shows you which repo that update is/will coming from | 21:17 |
| timeless | but neither of us got around to checking to see if it worked | 21:18 |
| * timeless frowns | 21:18 | |
| timeless | what was the name of that package? | 21:18 |
| timeless | it was funny, one guy in the elevator knew it | 21:18 |
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| sparr | i hope i can get a repository on the maemo garage | 21:18 |
| timeless | apt-listchanges? | 21:18 |
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| timeless | could someone here try building and installing apt-listchanges? | 21:19 |
| sparr | building? | 21:20 |
| sparr | its non-binary | 21:20 |
| timeless | ok, installing then? | 21:20 |
| sparr | and its not going to install. it Depends on debianutils, which brings up the whole busybox-vs-the-world issue | 21:20 |
| timeless | oh | 21:21 |
| timeless | wonderful | 21:21 |
| timeless | s/building/porting/ | 21:21 |
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| timeless | erm | 21:22 |
| timeless | it requires python | 21:22 |
| `0660 | does it do anything more complicated than an http request? :) | 21:22 |
| timeless | i'm not sure it does even that much | 21:23 |
| sparr | python we have | 21:23 |
| timeless | changelogs should be included in the .deb | 21:23 |
| sparr | `0660: probably, it uses python-apt | 21:23 |
| timeless | some of us don't use or like pythong | 21:23 |
| sparr | well then, fooey on you :-p | 21:23 |
| timeless | anyway, .debs themselves should have the changelogs inside | 21:24 |
| sparr | want a sadder story? deborphan is a binary. it should be a damn script, but someone wrote it in a compiled language. | 21:24 |
| timeless | by the time the installer installs things, the files are local | 21:24 |
| timeless | it's basically looking at the package, finding the version you used to have | 21:24 |
| timeless | and listing the portion of changelog that's relevant | 21:24 |
| sparr | debs have the changelogs in them... but docpurge eats them :) | 21:24 |
| timeless | err | 21:24 |
| sparr | i dont even know if apt-listchanges will work with docpurge eating our changelogs | 21:25 |
| timeless | yeah, IT-OS uses docpurge doesn't it | 21:25 |
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| sparr | i dont really have a problem with that. look at changelogs elsewhere | 21:25 |
| timeless | if it doesn't, that's a bug in one of the two | 21:25 |
| timeless | imo in apt-listchanges | 21:25 |
| sparr | thanks for the reminder though, i need to write my localepurge howto :) | 21:25 |
| sparr | i disagree re: bug | 21:25 |
| timeless | if the file was there | 21:26 |
| sparr | its a "bug" in docpurge, in that docpurge is defined as breaking packages | 21:26 |
| timeless | and there's a sequence | 21:26 |
| sparr | apt-listpurge cannot be blamed for not working with broken package installations | 21:26 |
| timeless | then listchanges should make sure it's run before docpurge | 21:26 |
| sparr | docpurge is run during an install | 21:26 |
| sparr | listchanges runs whenever, no? | 21:26 |
| timeless | listchanges can run as part of the install process | 21:26 |
| timeless | that's the only flavor i care about | 21:26 |
| sparr | oh, my bad | 21:27 |
| sparr | gotcha | 21:27 |
| timeless | it's the flavor that works as part of apt-get install/distupgrade | 21:27 |
| timeless | iow application manager | 21:27 |
| sparr | ok then, yeah, it could (and would) precede docpurge | 21:27 |
| timeless | anyway, if i made a version of apt-listchanges that lied about its depends | 21:27 |
| timeless | could you try it? | 21:27 |
| * timeless really doesn't want to deal w/ pythong | 21:27 | |
| timeless | (no, i have no idea why i typo python) | 21:28 |
| sparr | sure, but its not going to work | 21:28 |
| sparr | i dont have python either | 21:28 |
| disq | timeless: phong shading? | 21:28 |
| timeless | heh | 21:28 |
| sparr | i was using "we have" in the community sense | 21:28 |
| timeless | generally speaking i object to or ignore royal we | 21:28 |
| cbx33 | do we have mad on maemo? | 21:29 |
| timeless | i simply don't know enough kings/queens to honor instances | 21:29 |
| pupnik | lol | 21:29 |
| timeless | there are exceptions, although, to be honest, i ignore them too | 21:29 |
| timeless | e.g. ari | 21:29 |
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| disq | well maybe packages could just run their own listchanges scripts and display the changes (well, release notes, so maybe use the NEWS files?) in a dialog using maemo-confirm-text? | 21:29 |
| timeless | if he says we, well, it's ok, he is royalty in my domain | 21:29 |
| timeless | (i'll still question him) | 21:30 |
| disq | ..during installation | 21:30 |
| timeless | disq: there's a log viewer in application manager | 21:30 |
| timeless | according to the application manager maintainer | 21:30 |
| disq | timeless: which views apt error logs currently :) | 21:30 |
| timeless | if listchanges spits its output out correctly | 21:30 |
| timeless | then it should end up there | 21:30 |
| timeless | disq: yes | 21:30 |
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| timeless | but he and i agreed that it was good enough | 21:30 |
| disq | mmm. if marius says so | 21:30 |
| timeless | if you cared, you could install this thing and check there | 21:31 |
| timeless | he also went on vacation | 21:31 |
| timeless | anyway, i'm annoyed enough to actually check | 21:31 |
| timeless | well, sorta check anyway | 21:31 |
| * timeless still doesn't want to install python | 21:31 | |
| disq | :) i'll watch my tv ep and eat dinner | 21:31 |
| disq | why do you hate python, erm, pythong? | 21:31 |
| timeless | so is no one here willing to try this hacked package on a pymaemo'd device? | 21:31 |
| timeless | fear of the unknown? | 21:32 |
| timeless | competitive disinterest? | 21:32 |
| timeless | dunno | 21:32 |
| timeless | it's not really dislike i suppose | 21:32 |
| disq | i could try later | 21:32 |
| timeless | i simply have no need for it | 21:32 |
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| disq | so if somebody was mad enough to port gtk to sh (shgtk) you would use it? | 21:33 |
| cbx33 | anyone ported mad yet? | 21:33 |
| * timeless doesn't see how that follows | 21:33 | |
| timeless | i'd sooner uninstall gtk | 21:33 |
| disq | i'm not sure either | 21:33 |
| timeless | ok, so this thing /might/ use /usr/bin/sensivble-* | 21:35 |
| timeless | sp | 21:36 |
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| timeless | s/v// | 21:36 |
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| timeless | ok, so this thing /might/ use /usr/bin/sensivble-* | 21:36 |
| timeless | s/v// | 21:36 |
| infobot | timeless meant: ok, so this thing /might/ use /usr/bin/sensible-* | 21:36 |
| timeless | in fact, i'm pretty sure that's the only thing it'd use | 21:36 |
| DaniloCesar | Someone knows if is possible to get texto2speech on N800? | 21:36 |
| pupnik | yes, espeak and flite are available | 21:37 |
| DaniloCesar | Thanks! | 21:37 |
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| timeless | python (>= 2.4), python-support (>= 0.2), apt (>= 0.5.3), python-apt, debconf | debconf-2.0, ucf (>= 0.28), debianutils (>= 2.0.2) | 21:37 |
| timeless | so, is debianutils the only conflict? | 21:37 |
| pupnik | people say flite is better, but i like setting espeak to 'french speaker' and reading back english texts | 21:38 |
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| timeless | debconf will be fine? | 21:38 |
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| DaniloCesar | I will try both.... | 21:39 |
| bedboi | is there a vtun package for n800? | 21:39 |
| timeless | ok, stupid question :) | 21:41 |
| timeless | how do i view the changelog for apt-listchanges_2.74_all.deb :) | 21:42 |
| `0660 | :p | 21:42 |
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| timeless | i know it's ironic, that aside, where is it/how do i read it? :) | 21:48 |
| k8 | hi guys | 21:48 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: does google apply? ;) | 21:50 |
| bedboi | is it possible to use tun/tap devices on n800? | 21:50 |
| timeless | dunno, i haven't tried | 21:50 |
| timeless | i'm reading debian-user where someone asked for a replacement for it | 21:50 |
| sp3000 | or is this for a general purpose for annoyingly ungooglable content | 21:50 |
| * timeless ponders | 21:50 | |
| sp3000 | google apt-listchanges -> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/apt-listchanges -> View the Debian changelog http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apt-listchanges/apt-listchanges_2.74/changelog | 21:51 |
| sp3000 | ooh, unlinkified bug numbers | 21:51 |
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| timeless | ? | 21:52 |
| sp3000 | (in that changelog page) | 21:52 |
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| * timeless curses debian-user | 21:52 | |
| timeless | flaming people is just not the way to go | 21:53 |
| timeless | and no, i'm not flaming them, that'd involve me posting there | 21:53 |
| timeless | and i won't do that :) | 21:53 |
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| kulve | bedboi: <*> Universal TUN/TAP device driver support | 21:57 |
| timeless | nice | 21:58 |
| timeless | i'm missing python, python-support, python-apt, ucf, debianutils | 21:58 |
| timeless | i have 3.2007 / n800, how do i get a repository set to make that happy? | 21:59 |
| pupnik | ssh! be vewwy vewwy quiet... | 22:01 |
| * pupnik is hunting buglets | 22:01 | |
| timeless | heh | 22:01 |
| * timeless grumbles and considers installing python | 22:02 | |
| timeless | ok | 22:03 |
| timeless | what's python-support? | 22:03 |
| timeless | ij | 22:07 |
| timeless | ] | 22:07 |
| timeless | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/apt-listchanges_2.74_maemo-1.deb | 22:07 |
| timeless | let me know if it works | 22:08 |
| sp3000 | some sort of module package installation support thing iirc | 22:08 |
| timeless | you'll need a bunch of python things | 22:08 |
| sp3000 | of course there's a competing thing, python-central or something | 22:08 |
| timeless | which probably means temporarily adding a debian|ubuntu repository | 22:08 |
| * sp3000 doesn't recall if they've gotten around to deprecating one | 22:08 | |
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| timeless | sp3000: funny, the depends for this mess include both | 22:08 |
| DaniloCesar | pupnik, can you run Flite on N800? | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | directly or via one? | 22:09 |
| * timeless hastily runs away from the debian flameware | 22:09 | |
| timeless | indirectly of course :) | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | I guess one being deprecated could make it become a compatibility layer atop the other | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | which would be an exuse for dependency | 22:09 |
| * sp3000 doesn't know :) | 22:10 | |
| timeless | hrm, is application manager supposed to open if i select it from the task navigator? | 22:10 |
| pupnik | DaniloCesar: i only have a 770 but flite should work on both 770 and n800 | 22:10 |
| sparr | pupnik: http://sparrsstuff.com/localepurge | 22:10 |
| pupnik | cool sparr | 22:10 |
| timeless | qim: fwiw... | 22:12 |
| timeless | the changelog in the blog was based on the internal changelog | 22:12 |
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| timeless | user reported items were listed at the top | 22:13 |
| timeless | the rest was based on fixes mostly because of internal bugs | 22:13 |
| sparr | pupnik: if i get a garage repository, ill put my theme packages up | 22:13 |
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| timeless | user=people who can't touch internal bug databases | 22:13 |
| * timeless frowns | 22:14 | |
| timeless | sp3000? | 22:14 |
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| timeless | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.2/content_comparison.html | 22:14 |
| sparr | from a stock 770 install with 61MB free, ive installed openssh, pcregrep, a new busybox, and localepurge... and now ive got 72MB free :) | 22:14 |
| timeless | oh heh | 22:15 |
| * timeless grumbles | 22:15 | |
| sparr | 11+MB freed between locale data and media files | 22:15 |
| timeless | the libpango1.0-dbg => libpnago1.0-0-dbg transition is confusing | 22:15 |
| sparr | pupnik: is the gallery stuff on the right too intrusive? | 22:15 |
| timeless | qim: personally i'd rather you have had a "replaced by" item instead of "removed" | 22:15 |
| timeless | a link to the replacement would be nice | 22:15 |
| sparr | 8 <4k images doesnt seem to be too much of a bloat burden | 22:15 |
| sp3000 | timeless? | 22:17 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it timeless is a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor | 22:17 |
| timeless | sp3000: for a moment i was trying to understand why a -dbg package would be removed from a distro | 22:17 |
| * sp3000 slaps _Monkey | 22:17 | |
| timeless | but then i saw its replacement | 22:17 |
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| sp3000 | meh, that thread wasn't flamey at all :) | 22:18 |
| timeless | sp3000: apt-listchanges? | 22:18 |
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| sp3000 | (by debian standards anyway) | 22:18 |
| timeless | yeah well, my tolerance for flamings is about as high as my tolerance for hot food | 22:18 |
| qgil | timeless: by "qim" you mean me? :) | 22:19 |
| timeless | yeah | 22:19 |
| timeless | sorry :) | 22:19 |
| qgil | timeless: good to know, good apprach internal-external | 22:19 |
| timeless | gil, quim, too hard to keep names straight | 22:19 |
| timeless | anyway, at some point i'll probably go through this channel and make a blog entry or three from it | 22:20 |
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| * timeless kicks bugs.maemo.org's broken customization | 22:22 | |
| qgil | timeless: I don't know if the script would be so clever to know the substitute of a removed package | 22:23 |
| timeless | it probably isn't | 22:23 |
| timeless | but there shouldn't be too many | 22:23 |
| timeless | it'd be a win if you manually checked | 22:23 |
| sparr | so, 12MB is about the best i can do for freeing up space on the default 770 image, plus whatever localepurge does in the long run | 22:23 |
| sparr | seems useful, thats 10% of the root filesystem | 22:23 |
| timeless | you weren't here (but you can read the logs), when i mentioned that my changelog write-up was essentially a rewrite of the changelogs | 22:24 |
| timeless | from the looks of it, there was only 1 instance in this case | 22:24 |
| timeless | but my guess is that on average there will be fewer than 20 | 22:24 |
| timeless | i had something like 200 lines of garbage to read | 22:24 |
| timeless | at least package names become human readable by the 5th package :) | 22:25 |
| timeless | anyway, it's just a minor thing | 22:25 |
| timeless | our goal should be to give people helpful/meaningful/useful information | 22:25 |
| timeless | and not to give them unwarranted redflags | 22:25 |
| timeless | the red in that case is most certainly unwarranted | 22:25 |
| timeless | anyway, i'm going to hunt pizza and maybe a movie | 22:26 |
| qgil | timeless: that's my goal and this is why I keep focusing on those factors when looking at the packages that need to provide more infor and which kind of info | 22:26 |
| timeless | you also missed the bits where i basically said that conic's lack of decent changelogs isn't really acceptable in my book | 22:26 |
| timeless | (and that the browser's real changelogs are no better) | 22:26 |
| timeless | anyway, i'm hungry | 22:27 |
| timeless | we can talk tomorrow, i need to pick up that shirt and mail it :) | 22:27 |
| qgil | timeless: you can talk to me, but remember that I don't make a single package :P | 22:27 |
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| timeless | heh | 22:28 |
| timeless | i don't either technically | 22:29 |
| timeless | at least, hrm | 22:29 |
| timeless | is that true? | 22:29 |
| timeless | i've made a number of pieces of software | 22:29 |
| timeless | and in fact, i think i have put together my own debs | 22:29 |
| timeless | oh well... they're not officially shipped by anyone :) | 22:29 |
| sparr | ive built a deb | 22:30 |
| sparr | does it count if its empty? | 22:30 |
| sparr | :) | 22:30 |
| keesj | rol your own :p | 22:31 |
| timeless | i've hacked a bunch of debs actually | 22:31 |
| timeless | the most recent was apt-listchanges a few hours ago | 22:31 |
| timeless | or less than an hour ago | 22:31 |
| keesj | what can internal error appilcation 'web' mean at startup? i have the minib installed. can i log the reason? | 22:33 |
| sparr | check syslog? | 22:33 |
| timeless | you might try reboting | 22:34 |
| timeless | also, if you have mkdir -p /media/mmc1/core-dumps | 22:34 |
| timeless | you can collect a core and pass it my way | 22:34 |
| keesj | i already have this problem for w while. so i already rebooted many times. i also just updated the browser. | 22:36 |
| keesj | thanks for the tip | 22:36 |
| timeless | anyway, a zip containing a syslog+coredump is appreciated | 22:37 |
| timeless | there should be 2 coredumps, a small one, and a big one | 22:37 |
| timeless | from memory, we don't care about the small one (probably named browser), but want the bigger one (annoyingly named maemo-launcher?) | 22:37 |
| timeless | if you want to get rid of that confusion, you can probably change /usr/bin/browser to point to the other of /usr/bin/maemo-(invoker|summoner) | 22:38 |
| sparr | gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-keys AD9AE76A | 22:38 |
| timeless | don't ask me which is which | 22:38 |
| sparr | whats wrong with that? | 22:38 |
| sparr | works on my desktop | 22:38 |
| sparr | 770 says | 22:38 |
| sparr | gpg: no remote program execution supported | 22:38 |
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| * keesj goes searching for a sd card. by syslog you mean dmesg output or something else? | 22:38 | |
| timeless | apt-cache search sysklogd | 22:39 |
| timeless | _monkey syslog is apt-get install sysklogd (or use downloads.maemo.org like everyone else) | 22:39 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 22:39 |
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| timeless | you don't need an mmc technically | 22:39 |
| timeless | note that i said mkdir -p | 22:40 |
| timeless | that'll work even if you don't have an mmc | 22:40 |
| timeless | it's just a lot more dangerous since you can brick your device w/ it :) | 22:40 |
| sparr | ok, this is annoying | 22:40 |
| sparr | every howto just says "see the secure apt howto" | 22:40 |
| sparr | but those instructions are wrong | 22:40 |
| sparr | wtf | 22:40 |
| sparr | obviously SOMEONE has secure apt working on the 770 | 22:40 |
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| Justin | sparr: can you just copy the keyring from another system? | 22:41 |
| Justin | so.. does libconic have a way to re-scan for available acceess points? or is that not the API that the connection manager gui uses? | 22:42 |
| sparr | the keyring on my desktop is not small | 22:42 |
| sparr | and my gpg-fu does not extend to producing a subset | 22:42 |
| Justin | well it wouldn't be your keyring, it would be the one for apt in /etc/apt/ | 22:42 |
| sparr | ahh | 22:43 |
| sparr | still, not small :) | 22:43 |
| sparr | hmm | 22:44 |
| sparr | "unable to open" dialog showing up on my display as i apt-get install things | 22:44 |
| sparr | after my desktop turned white | 22:44 |
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| timeless | hrm, it looks like i broke support for multiple *s | 22:48 |
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| keesj | http://www.keesj.dds.nl/syslog its talking about gconf and http proxy. brrrrr sounds like the windows registry, | 22:49 |
| Justin | gconf makes sense though :) | 22:50 |
| timeless | heh, silly bug | 22:50 |
| timeless | [0] != [-1] | 22:50 |
| Justin | sometimes it does :) | 22:51 |
| timeless | indeed, but thankfully it wasn't soon enough for me to notice | 22:51 |
| zaf | anybody recommend a bluetooth barcode scanner to pair with a 770? | 22:52 |
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| keesj | so can i just create a dir in there? | 22:54 |
| Justin | mkdir -p /etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir/system/http_proxy/ ? | 22:55 |
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| timeless | sp3000: anyway, i've drafted 5, 6, 7 | 22:59 |
| * timeless sighs | 23:00 | |
| timeless | someone please tell me there's a way to *stop* people from posting comments to gforge threads | 23:00 |
| sp3000 | heh | 23:01 |
| sp3000 | I'll look wednesday probably | 23:01 |
| sp3000 | guitar shopping tomoorow | 23:01 |
| timeless | thanks | 23:01 |
| timeless | oh, good luck, and enjoy, etc. | 23:01 |
| timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1348&forum_id=1175 | 23:01 |
| * timeless sighs | 23:01 | |
| timeless | that's scathing | 23:01 |
| keesj | i just removed it it was a file. i silly me did not look at the content . still that did not solve it . at least i have syslog running! | 23:02 |
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| timeless | given that there are <200 files in the entire repo | 23:02 |
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| timeless | excluding dirs+pics there are <70 | 23:03 |
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| timeless | <50 if i exclude articles i haven't published ... | 23:05 |
| timeless | ok, would someone here who has *never* been to http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:05 |
| timeless | please try to find "slides" about the browser project | 23:06 |
| timeless | according to the post: | 23:06 |
| timeless | GUADEC 2007 presentation is published. Find it in the "Documentation" section. | 23:06 |
| * timeless really doesn't get it | 23:07 | |
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| sp3000 | it's easy enough from http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:07 |
| sp3000 | from garage? forget it :) | 23:07 |
| timeless | oh! | 23:08 |
| * timeless sighs | 23:08 | |
| timeless | can i just svn delete garage? | 23:08 |
| timeless | that'd solve a number of my problems | 23:08 |
| timeless | interesting | 23:09 |
| timeless | garage kinda admits who we are kinda | 23:10 |
| * timeless doesn't like that | 23:10 | |
| timeless | ooh | 23:10 |
| * timeless could turn off news | 23:11 | |
| * timeless curses | 23:14 | |
| timeless | there are forums in garage too! | 23:14 |
| qgil | fast poll: have you ever checked the "maemo" page at Wikipedia? Yes, recently / Yes, some time ago / No, never | 23:14 |
| sp3000 | yeah that's the annoying thing | 23:14 |
| sp3000 | there's everything | 23:14 |
| timeless | i really tried to delete as many things as possible | 23:14 |
| timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/message.php?msg_id=962 | 23:15 |
| timeless | ?! | 23:15 |
| timeless | he updated a 770?! | 23:16 |
| qgil | timeless: see the date | 23:16 |
| qgil | 2007-01-25 21:02 | 23:16 |
| * timeless looks at the date | 23:16 | |
| timeless | confused | 23:16 |
| qgil | this belongs to the old project | 23:16 |
| timeless | old project? | 23:16 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: No, never... | 23:16 |
| timeless | what old project? | 23:16 |
| qgil | I don't for what reason someone created the "maemo browser" project in garage back in 2006 something - don't ask me, I wasn't working at Nokia on that time | 23:17 |
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| qgil | "ask your manager" is always a recommended step in corporate environments ;) | 23:18 |
| timeless | yeah yeah | 23:18 |
| timeless | it was a misstep | 23:18 |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz: thanks! let's see if I can increase the universe of the fast poll :) | 23:18 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 23:18 |
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| qgil | alright, poll closed. 100% of the interviewed people didn't check ever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo | 23:22 |
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| qgil | should I conclude then that it's not worth invisting time improving it :) | 23:22 |
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| timeless | never heard of it :) | 23:22 |
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| sparr | timeless: any progress on apt-listchanges? | 23:23 |
| timeless | generally speaking, i leave | 23:23 |
| timeless | sparr: i posted a .deb | 23:23 |
| timeless | i'm not sacrificing any of the devices i currently have to python | 23:23 |
| Molagi | hmm what is the easiest way to setup ssh in n800? | 23:23 |
| sparr | :) | 23:23 |
| timeless | if you need the url, i can provide it | 23:23 |
| sparr | well, im going to have python soon | 23:23 |
| timeless | ssh? | 23:23 |
| _Monkey | somebody said ssh was a 'secure shell' client/server. It lets you get access to the linux shell on a Tablet. See http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installssh2006/ | 23:23 |
| sparr | so hit me with the url and ill try it | 23:23 |
| qgil | note that, in comparison, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME is arguably more descriptive and comprehensive than the whole www.gnome.oirg | 23:23 |
| timeless | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/apt-listchanges_2.74_maemo-1.deb | 23:23 |
| sparr | omg i hate the gui debconf on maemo!! | 23:24 |
| qgil | anyway, time to sleep | 23:24 |
| timeless | qgil: fwiw... | 23:24 |
| sparr | im going to beat that damn thing back into dialog or readline mode | 23:24 |
| timeless | ime wikipedians will evolve the articles on their own | 23:24 |
| timeless | they don't need your help | 23:24 |
| timeless | and in act, it's probably better to let them do it | 23:24 |
| timeless | s/act/fact/ | 23:24 |
| infobot | timeless meant: and in fact, it's probably better to let them do it | 23:24 |
| Molagi | so i can connect to a server via xterm | 23:24 |
| sparr | timeless: some of us are wikipedians :) | 23:24 |
| jjazz | I just set up an additional target in scratchbox after adding the Mono devkit, but I can't select that target. I keep getting the error "You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first", and I can't figure out how to close my other session. Any help would be appreciated. | 23:24 |
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| timeless | sparr: be qgil's guest :) | 23:25 |
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| sparr | my desktop wallpaper disappears while im running apt-get | 23:25 |
| sparr | anyone else have that? | 23:25 |
| sparr | it comes back later | 23:25 |
| qgil | i meant investing time increasing the awareness, as I'm doing slowly with other sources at https://maemo.org/community/wiki/tabletusersinthesocialweb/ | 23:25 |
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| qgil | oops http://maemo.org/community/wiki/tabletusersinthesocialweb/ | 23:26 |
| timeless | wikis are a horrible drug | 23:26 |
| sparr | cgoban + gnugo == the shit | 23:26 |
| timeless | so many outlets, no directions | 23:26 |
| * timeless shrugs | 23:27 | |
| timeless | the fewer wikis the better in my book | 23:27 |
| timeless | (heck, the fewer pages the better) | 23:27 |
| sparr | i agree | 23:27 |
| qgil | timeless: one day you have to introduce me to your Perfect World :P | 23:27 |
| sparr | as a community, we need to standardize | 23:27 |
| timeless | qgil: it'd fit in the palm of your hand :) | 23:27 |
| timeless | or at least into a single book that says "Don't Panic" on it | 23:27 |
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| sparr | i wish the maemo.org wiki was better... the itT wiki is the best resource right now | 23:27 |
| Molagi | hmm where can i download dropbear? | 23:27 |
| timeless | dropbear? | 23:28 |
| _Monkey | well, dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html | 23:28 |
| timeless | molagi: the bot might help you if you gave it a chance | 23:28 |
| qgil | sparr: better what for? | 23:28 |
| timeless | personally, i just use downloads.maemo.org :) | 23:28 |
| Molagi | hmm | 23:28 |
| Molagi | ok | 23:28 |
| Molagi | :D | 23:28 |
| sparr | qgil: technically, for one thing. midgard has a crap wiki system, to be blunt. | 23:28 |
| timeless | sparr: | 23:28 |
| timeless | The open source components are well-known desktop Linux libraries to make application porting trivial. | 23:28 |
| Molagi | isnt there a one for os2007 | 23:28 |
| Molagi | ;[ | 23:28 |
| timeless | if you want to be a good wikipedian, how about fixing the English there :) | 23:29 |
| sparr | timeless: never said i was a GOOD wikipedian | 23:29 |
| sparr | maybe im mediocre. or evil. | 23:29 |
| timeless | (or rather, total lack of a sentence/thought) | 23:29 |
| qgil | sparr we asked in maemo-developers few weeks ago but from the answers we didn't got the conclusion of moving to another engine - and the possibility was on the table | 23:29 |
| jjazz | Molagi: dropbear is smaller than openssh, but less featureful | 23:30 |
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| Molagi | oh | 23:30 |
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| qgil | anyway, if the itt wiki is a good one - so be it. No problem. | 23:30 |
| sparr | qgil: the issue boils down to another wiki already having better content for almost everything that maemo.org has, and far more of it. working to bring maemo.org up to that level doesnt help the community, it just helps the site. | 23:30 |
| Molagi | i only want ssh to use irssi | 23:30 |
| jjazz | Molagi: dropbear will do | 23:31 |
| sparr | until the maemo.org wiki matches the itt wiki, theres no reason for us 'normal' folks to use it | 23:31 |
| timeless | how many maemo wikis are there? | 23:31 |
| sparr | just the two that i am aware of | 23:31 |
| * timeless really couldn't say if there was 1 or 20 | 23:31 | |
| sparr | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | 23:31 |
| sparr | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ | 23:32 |
| timeless | the application catalog stuff is amazingly confusing | 23:32 |
| jjazz | timeless: What is confusing about it? | 23:32 |
| sparr | jjazz: someone deciding the new catalog is better than the old one and removing links to the old ones, while the new one is still deficient and defective | 23:32 |
| ||cw | it's gotten too big, and the applications tend to run together | 23:32 |
| timeless | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog | 23:32 |
| timeless | is the start page, right? | 23:32 |
| timeless | no mention of 2007 | 23:33 |
| timeless | that's a good start | 23:33 |
| timeless | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationcatalog2006/ | 23:33 |
| timeless | The new Application Catalog is available for testing. | 23:33 |
| jjazz | ah | 23:33 |
| timeless | http://downloads.maemo.org/ | 23:33 |
| ||cw | we just need a common repo, like debian has | 23:33 |
| sparr | timeless: there are the old pages, one for 2006, one for 2007. then theres the new ajaxish one | 23:33 |
| timeless | so that's 2 or 3 there | 23:33 |
| sparr | and theres the maemo downloads page, with its tag cloud | 23:33 |
| timeless | if you don't think i'm confunsed yet | 23:33 |
| qgil | timeless, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ shows that these pages are obsolete | 23:33 |
| sparr | qgil: obsolete, but not deprecated. marking them as obsolete before their content is fully duplicated elsewhere is a Bad Thing (TM) | 23:34 |
| timeless | sparr: um | 23:34 |
| timeless | having confusing content is a bad thing | 23:34 |
| timeless | i'd rather have less content | 23:34 |
| timeless | at leat wikipedia adds tags to all bad pages | 23:34 |
| timeless | that make it very clear that pages are bad and why | 23:35 |
| timeless | if someone wrote wikireorg, they clearly knew and took the time to list those pages | 23:35 |
| timeless | so it shouldn't have been much longer to add some sort of thing to the pages themselves | 23:35 |
| qgil | sparr, got your point about itt wiki | 23:36 |
| ||cw | well this is nice, on http://downloads.maemo.org/ I choose it2006 and hit search, the first hit is it2007 only | 23:36 |
| timeless | anyway, if the right thing to do is to delete wiki.maemo.org and point to itt | 23:36 |
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| timeless | then so be it :) | 23:36 |
| timeless | one less wiki is never a bad thing in my book :)\ | 23:36 |
| qgil | sparr we have to do something with the content at the maemo wiki though | 23:37 |
| qgil | any ideas ar welcome | 23:37 |
| sparr | qgil: migrate it to itt, if thats the solution | 23:37 |
| qgil | we want to benefit the community, not the site alone | 23:37 |
| sparr | all the application content needs to be moved into downloads.maemo.org | 23:37 |
| sparr | and off the wiki | 23:37 |
| sparr | all the informational content can be moved to the other wiki | 23:37 |
| qgil | sparr are you in maemo-developers? | 23:37 |
| sparr | yes | 23:37 |
| sparr | just recently | 23:38 |
| qgil | do you mind proposing this there and see what people think? | 23:38 |
| sparr | sure, but its going to be blunt :) | 23:38 |
| qgil | be yourself | 23:38 |
| timeless | sparr: it can't be much more blunt than i am :) | 23:38 |
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| qgil | thanks sparr | 23:39 |
| qgil | and now it's definitely time to sleep here | 23:39 |
| timeless | sparr: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Networking | 23:39 |
| qgil | for those of us not timeless | 23:39 |
| timeless | the SSh link there is um, confusing | 23:39 |
| timeless | the other links clearly say 770 | 23:39 |
| qgil | timeless: edit it and fix it :P | 23:39 |
| timeless | but that one doesn't | 23:39 |
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| sparr | Everything wrong with a wiki is your fault. | 23:40 |
| sparr | :) | 23:40 |
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| timeless | no | 23:40 |
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| timeless | everything wrong with a wiki is usually the wiki's fault for making me need YetAnotherLameAccountWithYetAnotherPasswordIWillNotRemember | 23:41 |
| timeless | is that in ProperWikiCase ? | 23:41 |
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| timeless | my favorite is that some wikis RequireTwoWordsForLogins AndTheFirstThingMustNotBeLowercase | 23:41 |
| timeless | which means I can't have timeless even if i want it | 23:42 |
| sparr | meh, broken wikis | 23:42 |
| sparr | still your fault :-p | 23:42 |
| timeless | my fault for reading them in the first place? certainly | 23:43 |
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| timeless | much better to honor SeeNoEvilSpeakNoEvilNoEvil | 23:43 |
| timeless | or is that SeekNoEvilSeeNoEvilSpeakNoEvil | 23:43 |
| * pupnik still has 'Seek beyond EOF' evil | 23:45 | |
| unique311 | disq, trevarthan kagu is looking good. | 23:45 |
| pupnik | wb unique311 ... did you see http://pupnik.de/pcsx.html? :) | 23:46 |
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| unique311 | not yet | 23:46 |
| unique311 | is it working? | 23:46 |
| pupnik | yep | 23:46 |
| * timeless ponders | 23:46 | |
| timeless | ok, at some point i'll probably just turn off news | 23:47 |
| timeless | that'll solve my other problem | 23:47 |
| disq | unique311: thanks. some of the look is still based on your work | 23:47 |
| unique311 | timeless, did that a long time ago. | 23:47 |
| timeless | ? | 23:47 |
| unique311 | i love the color | 23:47 |
| disq | it's kinda too green for my taste, but i think the blackish icons look really nice | 23:48 |
| timeless | unique311: sorry, i'm confused, you did what a long time ago? | 23:48 |
| unique311 | i'm using the valentine theme, because of a nice background i found. | 23:49 |
| unique311 | going to pink out kagu...lol | 23:49 |
| disq | we're adding a turn off screen button, playlist add/enqueue/clear options, and a menu for the next release | 23:49 |
| unique311 | timeless im sorry, thought you was talking about giving up watching news | 23:49 |
| sparr | http://rafb.net/p/hUp9ne66.nln.html <-- packages i installed to get my 770 "ready", and i have 42MB of free space left. happy is me. | 23:50 |
| disq | unique311: the new psd has a marker layer which makes stuff easy | 23:50 |
| unique311 | disq that arrow the blue one sucks | 23:50 |
| disq | trev did it :P | 23:50 |
| disq | i think its ok tho | 23:50 |
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| unique311 | pupnik time to see pcsx in action. | 23:52 |
| unique311 | how big is it? | 23:52 |
| pupnik | about 1.8 MB in all | 23:53 |
| pupnik | was just checking out the latest test results from the gp2x guys | 23:54 |
| pupnik | they're getting between 3 and 45 fps depending on the game | 23:55 |
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| sparr | pcsx? | 23:57 |
| sparr | psx emu? i remember one on the gp2x, was getting better in leaps and bounds | 23:57 |
| pupnik | yes zodttd and Exophase's psx4gp2x / psx4all | 23:58 |
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| timeless | sp3000: maemo.2006-11-05 brings back memories :) | 23:58 |
| unique311 | pupnik, to get better speeds will take tweaking the gpu plugin right | 23:58 |
| sparr | stop giving me gp2x envy :-p | 23:59 |
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