IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-05-01

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unique311[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/basil] > fakeroot ./BasiliskII01:18
unique311Basilisk II V0.9 by Christian Bauer et al.01:18
unique311Reading ROM file...01:18
unique311WARNING: Cannot open /dev/fd0H1440 (No such device or address)01:18
unique311WARNING: Cannot open /dev/fd1H1440 (No such device or address)01:18
unique311Error: Bad syscall: 90008c01:18
unique311qemu: unhandled CPU exception 0x2 - aborting01:18
unique311qemu issue?01:18
unique311thats the top portion of the error.01:18
unique311its followed by a bunch of wierd numbers01:18
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unique311heres a pastebin of everything else01:20
unique311http://pastebin.ca/46629901:21
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Tak|workit's looking for a floppy drive...01:25
unique311and thats the reason its dying on me..01:25
* Tak|work shrugs01:26
unique311k, so gotta compile and leave out the fact that it wants floppy drve01:26
unique311tak you shrug way too01:26
Tak|workit's my primary method of communication01:26
unique311hmmmm01:27
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sussmanhi01:32
user_hi all01:32
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user_anyone usingg an n800:..   and willing to test video chat?01:33
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sussmanuser_: I can try01:47
sussmanI´m testing a bluetooth keyboard right now01:47
user_hi suss....itd be great  im online on google talk now    r u?01:56
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* Pupnik gives the mplayer devs chocolates02:00
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Pupnikone of the Frodo devs has been mucking with an sdl frontend since April 18 2006 at least02:02
unique311hating life right now..02:02
Pupnikhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?s=9883923565eca13658a9d146a5b78580&act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=6f6dac57933995235d366f7297cfeab2&search_in=posts&result_type=posts02:02
Pupnikunique311: you got it to compile though, that's good02:03
Pupniksorry for that url02:03
Pupnikwhat's it doing now?02:03
unique311well that was 0.902:03
user_anyonw wish to test n800 video chat?02:03
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unique311i want to see if 1.0 will give me better results02:03
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unique311thinking should be a way to compile 0.9 and not have it need those danm floppy drive02:05
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bhimawoot. easy to work with 5v DC/DC converter, single cell.02:07
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bhimaDoes anybody still want a USB power injector? :)02:08
user_any1 can test n800 video?02:08
user_not me, thx02:09
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bill20r3user_ whats your jabber address?02:10
bhimauser_: well, you have an n800, so you shouldn't want it. :P02:10
bill20r3bhima, does it come with n800  usb hostmode drivers. :-/02:11
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bhimabill20r3: No. It comes with nothing. Aren't there working n800 hostmode drivers now?02:11
bill20r3not last time I checked, a week or two ago.02:12
bhimaSomebody had something, I"m certain of that.02:12
* bill20r3 googles02:12
bhimaAnd they found out that there is actually a 5v power source in the n800.02:12
user_got it?02:12
bill20r3user_, I have my N800 ready, bill@xmission.com02:12
user_ok lets try02:13
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bill20r3ok, call me.02:13
user_trying calling you....02:14
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bill20r3are you fbarousse?02:15
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user_contact unable to call...02:16
user_bill, did u get simething02:17
user_yes thats me02:17
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bill20r3I got the request, but I declined it becuase I didnt know who it was.02:18
bill20r3try once more.02:18
user_ah... i see now02:18
user_ok02:18
user_contact unable to call.  again02:19
bill20r3is that the right spelling "fbarousse" ?02:19
user_yes02:19
bill20r3ok, I'll try calling you02:19
user_@jabber.org02:19
user_ok02:19
bill20r3"contact unable to talk"02:20
bill20r3"waiting for video"02:20
bill20r3"camera off"02:21
* bill20r3 trys again.02:21
bill20r3did you get anything?02:21
user_got my auth?02:21
bill20r3I did now.02:21
bill20r3it said "Calling" and then "Disconnected" after just a second or two.02:22
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user_seems we r online now02:22
bill20r3I think I'm behind firewall at the moment, that may be a problem.02:23
user_maybe.... im on a public wifi spot02:23
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bill20r3probablly just has common ports open.02:24
user_do u get my call request?02:24
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user_Where r u, bbtw?02:24
bill20r3I didnt' get the call request, I'm in Salt Lake City, Utah.02:25
bill20r3in the US02:25
user_maybe we can try again later today or tomorrow...02:25
user_nice city yours. im in mexico city, mexico02:26
bill20r3I'll try to log on later from home.02:26
user_ok, me too....look 4 me later on then.   either here on ircc or on my jabber acct02:27
* Pupnik_ loves XviD02:28
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Pupnik_mplayer / mencoder is so great... TV shows in great quality at 80MB per show02:42
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Pupnik_btw anyone working on media players, please look into adding equalization to audio04:02
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Pupnik_i seem to notice sdl being slower on it2007 hacker ed04:27
Pupnik_need to benchmark04:27
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Pupnikhttp://pupnik.de/Exult_N770_800x480_Optimized_XviD.avi04:48
PupnikExult Ultima 7 remake,  running with scale2x in full 800x480 and new movement method, on it2006, on Nokia 77004:48
unique311nice04:51
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Pupnikyeah i'm trying to get that tap-to-move hack working stably04:54
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Pupnikright now there's a problem with picking-up objects, and also getting object info, with that hack enabled04:54
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sussmandoes anyone have the dvorak xkb keyboard map for the n800?05:34
Pupnikmy goodness :)  no05:34
Pupnikhooray nokia for it2007 on 770:  http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/35605:34
Pupnikbig hug from Pupnik...05:34
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derfSo why isn't my N800 writing to /etc/resolv.conf when it gets a connection?06:14
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febbhi all06:17
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Pupnikhi derf, febb06:18
Pupnikderf, my 770 doesn't either06:18
febbhi Pupnik  how are you tonight ?06:19
derfOkay, the answer was _not_ to apt-get remove dnsmasq.06:19
derfI think I just bricked it.06:19
derfRemoving osso-connectivity-ui ...06:19
derfRemoving osso-connectivity-ui-connmgr ...06:19
derfRemoving osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs ...06:19
derfRemoving osso-connectivity ...06:19
derfRemoving osso-ic ...06:19
derfAnd of course you can't install them again.06:20
febbhas anyone used remote X applications through the Nokia 770/N800 X terminal ? that is ssh+xterm ----> remote X application started06:22
Pupniki think people have done x over ssh on nokia yes06:23
febbok ...good I am able to open the remote X app and it displays on the Nokia's screen, nevertheless I cant send keystrokes from the Nokia to the remote app.06:23
febbany hints on what may be wrong / required ?06:24
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derfOh, well, I probably needed to upgrade to IT2007 anyway.06:27
Pupnikit's kind of a mess with it2007 and apps06:28
Pupnikfor e.g. you have to install the it2006 / 770 mplayer06:28
Pupnikbut some other apps you can use the bora ones06:28
Pupnikfebb - i haven't tried it06:29
Pupnikfebb - using what keyboard device?06:29
Pupnikfebb - from what i understand the virtual keyboard doesn't send regular X11 keyboard events06:29
febbPupnik, thanks for your comments.  I am using the virtual on screen keybd on the N800,  I dont need an externall BT keybd,06:30
febbi just need the on screen keybd keystrokes to get sent to the remote X app.06:31
febbwhich displays fine on the IT.06:31
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Pupnikfebb if you find out how to do that, let me know.  Many non-hildonised apps do not work with onscreen keyboard, because it doesn't send regular X11 key events06:32
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febbPupnik  I read somewhere that some X keyboard libraries, related to osso term as well were required to do so.  The problem is I can't find that reference again.....:(06:33
Pupniki would be interested in a hack to manually bring up a virtual keyboard, and have it generate key events for things like sdl apps06:34
febbyeah.  I use the IT to log into remote unix servers for tech support issues,   The remote X facility would be a great plus for the IT.06:35
febbof course there is VNC viewer, but that is not always available...06:35
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derfPupnik: I can show you how to bring up the keyboard.06:37
Pupnikderf, do you think it could be hacked to appear on-top of a fullscreen sdl app?06:38
derfProbably.06:38
Pupnikwow :)06:38
derfYou might have to do that hacking in SDL, though.06:38
derfBut you could try it.06:38
unique311got it06:39
unique311finally06:39
unique311basiliskII06:39
Pupnikderf, if you have any keywords, or urls for me, i'll be glad to copy them for later use06:40
Pupnikcongrats unique31106:40
unique311thanks man..06:40
unique311and i was just about to call it quits..06:40
febbby the way,  is there a vnc SERVER for the N800 ?06:40
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unique311found the gp2x source for 1.0 and no sigsegv error06:40
Pupnikdunno febb06:41
Pupnikunique311: you got a gp2x version of basilisk running on n800?06:41
febbthx.  the one on maemo.org is broken for the n80006:41
unique311well it was the src for the gp2x06:41
unique311compiled with no errors..06:42
Pupnikwow nice06:42
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Pupnikso it uses SDl for output, not /dev/fb0?06:42
derfPupnik: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/uim-1.2.1-maemo/gtk/gtk-im-uim.c?root=maemocjk&view=markup06:42
derfLook for the functions maemo_cjk_keyboard_hide() and maemo_cjk_keyboard_show()06:43
Pupnikvery good, thanks06:43
derfThey're GTK'ized right now, but it shouldn't be hard to do it in pure X11.06:43
Pupniki have to change away from a stack-based project model06:45
Pupnikthe stuff at the bottom is not getting done :/06:45
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Pupnikit2007 is dropping wifi connection despite being pinged constantly by my pc host07:35
Pupnikaah derf, the resolv.conf is /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan007:41
Pupniksee /etc/udhcpc/udhcpc.script for details07:41
* Pupnik is testing derf's acmonitor_n800 script on N770 with it2007 to keep connection alive http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb 07:42
Pupnikhmm mistral? :)07:43
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Pupnikso far no disconnects07:52
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Takhmm, my app manager is bork07:59
Pupniki can never remember the apt/dpkg stuff i learn08:01
Pupnikwhite border around xterm-advanced is highly annoying - currently trying to find what part of the theme controls it08:02
Takbrb, going to try rebooting08:05
Takhmm, it appears to be nonbroken now08:11
Pupnikscp to rs-mmc is always slow -- 300kB/s :(08:16
PupnikTak, what are you up to?08:17
Takplaying with minimo08:17
* Pupnik is making a dark theme out of the it2007 default08:17
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Pupnikplus scp keeps stalling periodically08:20
Pupnikmaybe it's the rs-mmc card doing some allocation/management during a big copy08:21
Takwow, it *really* doesn't08:23
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Takwork well with the thumbboard08:23
Pupnikit2007 or minimo?08:23
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Takminimo08:37
Takit needs a *lot* of work08:39
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derfPupnik: Yes, I found that out _now_.09:01
derfIt is too late, however.09:01
derfPupnik: What did you do about libconic not being there?09:04
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Pupnikderf, it didn't complain about missing libconic09:07
derfOh, on IT2007.09:07
Pupnikyes09:08
derfYeah, I guess you're golden then.09:08
derfThe brightness settings stuff still works, too?09:09
Pupnikit didn't start09:10
derfWhat do you mean?09:10
Pupnikwell i think so09:10
Pupniki don't recall what process name it starts for the daemon09:11
Pupnikbut it just now didn't change brightness09:11
derfIt's the same deamon that keeps your connection alive.09:11
derfIf one is running, the other has to be. There's only one process.09:11
Pupniki'm still trying to ssh-in09:11
Pupnikah now it connected09:12
Pupnikok /usr/bin/acmonitor is running09:13
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derfThat's the one.09:13
Pupniknot changing the brightness though despite setting in both states09:13
derfDamn. I guess they broke my reverse engineering.09:14
Pupnikdbus-monitor --system shows charger connecting09:14
Pupniksignal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=charger_disconnected09:14
Pupniksignal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=charger_connected09:14
Pupniksignal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=charger_charging_on09:14
derfNo charger_charging_off before the charger_disconnected?09:16
Pupnikcorrect09:16
Pupniktesting again09:16
derfWell, that's a problem.09:16
Pupniklost connection again09:17
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Pupnikgoing to stop acmonitor and test again09:18
Pupnikok same sequence - just "charger_disconnected"09:19
derfYeah, that'll break it.09:19
Pupnik else if(strcmp("charger_charging_off",member)==0)09:19
Pupnikso i could just change the strings and look for charger connected/disconnected09:20
derfWell, there's a reason it's using that one.09:20
Pupnikok so perhaps this should be filed as a bug to the it2007 on 770 garage page?09:21
derfCan you do a dbus-send --system /com/nokia/bme/request com.nokia.bme.request.status_info_req ?09:21
Pupniki can copy that text09:21
derfHopefully that's right.09:21
Pupnikok done09:22
Pupnikdidn't return anything though09:22
Pupnikperhaps i should have kept the dbus-monitor --system running?09:23
Pupnikah yes :) ok09:23
Pupniksignal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=battery_state_changed uint32 409:23
Pupniksignal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=charger_charging_on09:23
derfNow do it with the AC adapter unplugged.09:23
Pupnikhey the charging window came up!09:24
Pupniksame output09:24
Pupnikoh no09:24
Pupniksignal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=battery_state_changed09:24
Pupniksignal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=charger_charging_on09:24
Pupnikbut it's definitely unplugged09:25
derf!09:25
Pupniktried it again, charger_charging_on continues09:25
derfWell no wonder it's confused.09:25
derfThat sounds like a bug.09:25
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derfMaybe I won't flash the new version.09:26
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Takhmm, xchat crashed09:26
derfAnyway, there are two cases...09:27
derfYou need to be able to determine from the response to that signal what the current state is.09:28
derfThat's how it figures out the current state when it starts up.09:28
derfAnd then you also need to be able to detect when that state changes.09:28
derfI.e., when you physically plug in or unplug the device.09:29
Pupnikoh i see, the daemon polls that09:29
derfYes, it's listening for com.nokia.bme.signal09:29
Pupnikthe connect/disconnect message isn't a pollable state, but the charging_on is09:29
Pupnik?09:29
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derfIt doesn't send the connect/disconnect message when you call status_info_req.09:30
Pupnikok right09:30
derfIt really only needs it when it first starts up.09:30
Pupniki had no prior experience with dbus, thanks09:30
derfHey, neither did I when I wrote this.09:30
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derfActually, I also didn't really know much about gconf, or libconic, or the ping protocol, either, for that matter.09:32
Pupnik:)09:32
Takbtw, it seems that the ac connection state is not always accurate on os2007on77009:35
derfYes, we're noticing that.09:35
Take.g. I've had it tell me it was charging while disconnected09:35
derfWell, I mean, if the system lies to me, there's not much my daemon can do.09:36
* Tak nods09:36
derfUnless you've got a lower-level mechanism than dbus that's more reliable.09:36
Pupnikwell the battery icon stops animating when ac is unplugged09:36
Pupnikand restarts when plugged-in09:37
derfPupnik: But does it start up in the right state?09:37
derfAnd what happens when you tap it?09:37
TakI suspect it's wrong at every level09:37
Pupnikif i tap it while unplugged, nothing happens09:37
derfIt should tell you how much battery is left.09:37
Pupnikif i tap it while plugged in, i see 'charging' notification09:37
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Pupnikmplayer playing back youtube crap .flvs perfectly here09:46
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Pupnikoh tiny bit of tearing once in a while09:47
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Pupnik hrm it does seem to compress well tho09:57
Takhmm, that's interesting09:57
Pupnik?09:58
Taknow if we only had some browser plugin to scrape the flv09:58
Pupnikthere's a python script that grabs youtube09:59
Pupnikalso i think someone made an mplayer plugin for opers09:59
Pupnik30 MB for a 15 minute video is quite high compression09:59
Takmeh, python09:59
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Pupniknot finding any links to opera mplayer plugin for maemo10:04
Pupniknormally goes in /usr/lib/browser/plugins10:05
Takare opera plugins run-everywhere like ff extensions?10:05
Pupnikdon't know10:06
Pupnikthey appear to be .so files10:06
Takugh10:06
Pupnikhttp://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/download.php10:07
Pupnikhttp://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/10:12
Pupniki'm not going to look at this - simpler to download via script10:12
Takmight be good for a home applet10:13
Takenter url, receive bacon10:14
Pupnikhttp://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/10:14
Takmadre de dios, arrakis es en espana?!10:15
Pupnikspice must flow10:16
Pupnikthe mplayer guys just rule.   i did not expect to be able to watch untranscoded vids at all with the 770 when i bought it10:21
Pupniki remember having trouble watching divx on a p3-450mhz with a cheap video card10:22
Takyes10:22
Pupniktoo tired to do anything useful -- going to nap and then get back to exult and gstreamer10:24
Pupnikcheers10:24
Takssvb has worked miracles10:24
* Pupnik nods10:24
Pupnikbtw tak: http://pupnik.de/Exult_N770_800x480_Optimized_XviD.avi10:25
Pupnikthat's pretty fast imo for running scale2x at 800x48010:25
Takgreat10:25
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mk8Hi to all ...10:53
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JaffaMorning, all12:10
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davydanyone around who can help me with Python on Maemo?16:26
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mk8Hi to all ...16:39
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bill20r3anyone know what linux desktop app can make a video call with an N800?17:54
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AndrewGearharthey there folks. is there an application out there to manage DLing podcast files to play on the N800?18:13
bill20r3not that I've seen.18:13
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partAndrewGearhart: gpodder could be one, there's a garage project18:28
AndrewGearhartpart: hm18:29
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adoyleHas anyone gotten the Dummy IAP setup working on IT2007? I'm running 3.2007.10-7 and it doesn't quite work for me... According to this it should work again: http://www.mulliner.org/blog/blosxom.cgi/n770/n800firstupdate.html19:00
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adoyleIf I look at the DUMMY connection in the Connection Manager, it says "Status: Connecting" whereas under IT2006 it says Connected. So I'm guessing there's something wrong with my setup.19:02
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AndrewGearhartgpodder looks relatively promising... will give it a shot... :) thanks folks.19:11
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maddleradoyle: DUMMY IAP is not working on ITOS200719:25
maddleradoyle: I solved creating an ad-hoc network19:25
adoylemaddler - thanks. I think I saw your solution.19:25
adoyleI'm hoping for something like the DUMMY IAP :)19:25
maddlerwell... better than nothing... as of now... :)19:26
adoyleI'm trying to port my app to IT2007 - https://mwow.mit.edu/trac/mwow19:26
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maddleradoyle: interesting...19:27
adoyleIn the overview I explain why I need to be disconnected.19:28
adoyleUnder 2006, Minimo was to much of a memory hog so I used Opera. If I can find a Minimo for 2007, I can try that instead19:29
maddlertried already using the same "old" package?19:30
adoyleNo, I was thinking of doing that but figured I'd poke around first19:30
maddlerhehe...19:30
maddleryup... beside I think I said something wrong... I don't think ITOS2006 deb can be installed on 2007...19:31
maddlerbtw... I think I remember there was an N800 release...19:31
maddlermy own memory is not as good as my handeld memory! :D19:31
adoyleI found it a few days ago, but I lost it again :(19:31
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maddlerhehehe... bookmark it next time! :D19:34
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adoyleyeah. the thrill of the chase wears off!19:34
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maddler:)19:35
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bilboedhmm... just after doing an update of magic:sys on my n800 it keeps rebooting when I switch it on. Is this a known issue ?19:40
robtaylorbilboed: try charging your battery a bit19:44
bilboedit was full19:45
robtaylorhmm19:45
bilboedno big deal19:45
bilboedI need to flash to latest firmware anyway19:45
bilboedOkko, flashed19:48
bilboedat least now it's displaying the charging logo when it's on the mains19:49
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Okkobilboed: ?20:03
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unique311Pupnik20:33
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unique311http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~weimer/atris/Docs/atris.html20:48
unique311got this on n80020:48
unique311but no controlss20:48
unique311you good with games might be a good project for you to get a hold of20:49
unique311compiled with no errors...20:49
unique311just maybe have to modify the control file20:49
Pupniklooks like he added that fire demo hack that's been floating around the net since the 90s20:50
unique311it works20:50
unique311just no type of controls..20:50
unique311starts at full screen20:50
unique311settings for window view20:50
Pupnikit uses SDL?20:51
unique311u want the source....20:51
unique311yes20:51
unique311i got the gp2x src20:51
unique311http://www.divshare.com/download/539458-d2520:52
Pupniksdl uses SDLK_LEFT SDLK_RIGHT etc for keypad controls20:53
Pupnikdpad20:53
unique311CFLAGS = -g -O2 -Wall -Wimplicit -Wsign-compare -Wpointer-arith -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -DATRIS_LIBDIR=\"$(prefix)/games/atris\"20:53
Pupniklook for something like20:54
Pupnikif(event.type==SDL_KEYDOWN)20:54
Pupnikswitch(event.key.keysym.sym)20:54
Pupnikcase SDLK_LEFT:20:54
Pupnikit would be nice if two nokias could do peer networking easily via bluetooth20:56
Pupnikfor pvp games like this20:56
Pupnikthanks but i'm pretty busy20:57
unique311yeah20:57
unique311i'm gonna see what i can do with it..20:57
bill20r3I wonder if xscreensaver would run ok.20:59
bill20r3that'd be fun.20:59
Pupniksomeone compiled it already21:00
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bill20r3!!!21:01
bill20r3do you recall where you saw it?21:01
Pupnikno21:01
Pupniksearch kumppa and maemo21:02
bill20r3thanks21:02
Pupnikhmm no21:02
Pupnikhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4523&highlight=kumppa21:02
Tak|workYES @ easy bluetooth networking21:02
Pupnikcoolness21:03
unique311whats weird21:03
unique311the tablet works when i doing the settings....21:03
unique311i can use the pen without problems..21:03
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Pupnikwould have been nice if the Neo1973 used maemo21:25
Pupnikhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware21:25
Pupnikit's so similiar in some ways - matchbox, gtk2, kdrive21:25
unique311Pupnik you the exult dev...where's the trunk located?21:25
Pupniksourceforge21:26
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unique311anybody willing to entertain me for a few...21:40
unique311or get entertained...21:40
unique311found the controls for atris.....need someone to help me do the modifying21:41
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kpelhi all21:52
Pupnikhi kpel21:58
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Pupnikunique311: sdl tutorials21:59
unique311i know i know....21:59
unique311i suck21:59
kpelon Saturday, someone in this room was saying that he couldn't establish a voice and a data call at the same time with a 3g phone. is that person here?22:00
unique311not good at coding scripting, whatever its called.....22:00
Pupnikwell that's what i'm doing tonight - more basic sdl stuff22:00
Pupnikgoin for a walk first tho - cheers unique311 - i'll make a little page up of sdl demos and performance tests22:01
Pupnikkpel, maybe you can find it with google - this page is logged22:01
* Pupnik waves22:01
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kpelthanks Pupnik_afk22:02
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kpelosfameron: i checked that thing you mentioned about data connections getting paused during voice calls. it's a network issue. they won't let you have both but give priority to the voice call instead since it may be an emergency call.22:17
osfameronkpel: oh!22:18
kpelmakes you wonder why they charge you with 3g tarrifs if you can't have 3g functionality...22:18
osfameronwhy can't you do both though?22:18
osfameroni understand priorities but...22:19
kpelosfameron: ebcause the people who run the network say so. probably they want to save spectrum, or it is too difficult/costly for them to handle both voice and data for every customer. i can onl guess.22:19
kpelonly*22:19
osfameronah22:20
osfameronthanks for checking anyway ;-)22:20
kpelnp22:20
kpeli wish they had better configured networks22:21
osfameronyeah22:25
osfameronstill, some things are improving22:25
osfamerondata packages are 'afforable' these day22:25
osfameronjust22:25
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kpelindeed. especialy now with HSPA22:25
osfameronnot 'cheap' mind...22:25
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tuxpergerq: why doesn't pine do 'ääkköset'?23:07
tuxpergerit does on my desktop23:07
gla55on your desktop it's configured right then23:07
tuxpergeryeah... so to put it differently, what is configured wrong on the 770? pico? or xterm?23:08
tuxpergersame with vi. There we have +multibyte23:09
tuxpergers/vi/vim/23:10
gla55both?23:11
gla55i don't know for sure but i would assume you could use the desktop howtos to configure both of them accordingly for umlauts of your choice23:11
tuxpergerThere isn't much to configure in the 770's xterm... according to gconf it's UTF-8. Same with my desktop gnome-terminal.23:13
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tuxpergeractually I was imprecise... pine does äöå but counts the bytes wrong... the cursor is in a different place from where it thinks it is.23:14
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tuxpergeriow, it's not aware that the chars are multibyte.23:15
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