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| s-ndh-c | is it normal that i cant start the application framework in armel target? | 00:04 |
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| s-ndh-c | it only works in the i386 one, i guess thats why there are both right? | 00:05 |
| Tak | I can't anymore either | 00:05 |
| Tak | I thought I broke something | 00:05 |
| s-ndh-c | one to test and one to build for the device? | 00:05 |
| s-ndh-c | hm | 00:05 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 00:05 |
| Tak | mine used to work | 00:05 |
| disq | "The next firmware release has gone to great lengths to | 00:06 |
| disq | improve video performance by doing scaling on the LCD controller, as | 00:06 |
| disq | well as the colourspace conversion" | 00:06 |
| disq | wow | 00:06 |
| disq | that's nice :) | 00:06 |
| derf | That _is_ nice. | 00:06 |
| derf | Hopefully something other gst plugins will be able to take advantage of without any work. | 00:07 |
| [mbm] | hmm anyone got fdisk? sfdisk is annoying | 00:08 |
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| [mbm] | disq: yeah, that came following a message from nokia that the current path to the lcd maxed out at about 15fps | 00:09 |
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| derf | So what's the new one max out at? | 00:11 |
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| [mbm] | won't know until the new version comes out | 00:11 |
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| derf | Also, how do you actually register something in the Maemo Application Database? It won't let me log in with my garage account. | 00:12 |
| [mbm] | given the number of things supposedly fixed in the new version I can't wait | 00:12 |
| derf | Is there a list somewhere? | 00:12 |
| b0unc3 | when this 'new version' comes out ? | 00:12 |
| [mbm] | derf: don't think so, but there have been comments on the dev mailing list | 00:12 |
| Tak | derf: should be your garage account | 00:13 |
| Tak | although I needed to lowercase my garage username | 00:13 |
| derf | Mine was already lowercase. | 00:13 |
| [mbm] | wifi updates, dsp doesn't crash, faster video .. | 00:13 |
| [mbm] | sdhc | 00:13 |
| derf | Is there any way to reduce the agressiveness of the wifi power saving? | 00:13 |
| derf | (e.g., so my ssh sessions don't get stalled while it's running on AC) | 00:14 |
| asm | hello, i'm new in maemo, i have downloaded the instalations files, but i can't find /src/lib/ hildon's dir | 00:15 |
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| Tak | which ssh are you using? | 00:17 |
| dragorn | derf: I think all that talks over dbus, I need to look into it for some kismet stuff soon anyhow, i'll let you know if I find anything (and if I remember, heh) | 00:18 |
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| disq | derf: it doesn't get stalled at all here. there's a PSM thingy nokia guys are using you could try to decrease (higher delay) that | 00:18 |
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| disq | derf: possibly related to your access point though. which brand/model? :) | 00:19 |
| dragorn | derf: oh, you talking about literal 802.11 powersave controls, vs. idle backoff? | 00:19 |
| Tak | using openssh, I've let a session sit idle for quite some time without timing out | 00:20 |
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| disq | yeah. it's smooth here too. openssh on the 770, putty on win32, openwrt. | 00:20 |
| disq | erm, on the n800. | 00:20 |
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| derf | I mean, it doesn't time out. But after a while, I type into it, and get nothing back. | 00:29 |
| derf | And then I go open a web page or something on the N800 itself, and my ssh session suddenly catches back up. | 00:30 |
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| derf | Also, if I haven't done anything with the N800 network in a few minutes, I can't start a new ssh session; it reports "No route to host". | 00:31 |
| dyncorp | derf: my ssh on the 770 freezes up also. it restores quickly if i pull data from the 770 side | 00:35 |
| dragorn | derf: Can you do rfmon w/ another device and see if it's 802.11 layer queuing? | 00:35 |
| Tak | is that dropbear? | 00:37 |
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| derf | I'm using openssh | 00:38 |
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| derf | Hmm, I don't appear to have an rfmon package. | 00:39 |
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| dyncorp | openssh here too.. strange the 770 doesn't include a 'ping' command | 00:40 |
| dragorn | derf: i meant another pc with an rfmon-capable wireless card to do 802.11 sniffing | 00:41 |
| ptman | dyncorp: /mnt/initfs/bin/ping ? | 00:42 |
| dyncorp | no ping here. i have original 2006 OS, will upgrade now and look for that | 00:44 |
| ptman | ah, I have bora | 00:44 |
| ptman | and that ping doesn't | 00:44 |
| ptman | seem to work anyway | 00:44 |
| dyncorp | there are excellent tools available for the rt2570 usb 802.11 devices | 00:45 |
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| derf | dyncorp: I have another PC, of course, but I don't know how to use the requisite tools, and wouldn't know what I'm doing with them, anyway. | 01:07 |
| dyncorp | derf, i'll take a guess that using a monitor (like kismet) you will see packets at the 802.11 layer for a connected device, even if no TCP packets (ssh) are being sent | 01:10 |
| dyncorp | but i don't see how that would fix the issue. The 770/800 clearly was not designed for this application (ssh-ing into the device) as it is a polling device (browsing web) | 01:11 |
| derf | I don't know how the Nokia developers did their development, then. | 01:11 |
| dyncorp | i have seen other people say they got around it via a keepalive ping | 01:12 |
| dyncorp | from PC to nokia | 01:12 |
| derf | It doesn't work the other way? | 01:13 |
| dyncorp | i expect any traffic would do the trick | 01:14 |
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| [mbm] | hmm .. the mkfs.vfat on the n800 is screwy; seems to max at 2G | 01:30 |
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| maddler | [mbm]: yep... you have to format somewhere else... | 01:45 |
| [mbm] | yeah, just finished doing that; nice that the n800 doubles as an sd card reader :P | 01:47 |
| [mbm] | plugged it in usb and repartitioned/reformatted that way | 01:47 |
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| maddler | hehehe... yep... did the same... :) | 01:52 |
| disq | mmm. | 01:58 |
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| disq | [mbm]: there? did you set X-Icon-Path for rdesktop to /usr/share/icons or /usr/share/icons/hicolor/bla/bla/26x26/? | 06:21 |
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| derf | Awesome, I've got my daemon monitoring whether the AC adapter is plugged in or not running. | 07:16 |
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| disq | derf, why :p | 07:31 |
| derf | disq: So I can run it at full brightness with AC adapter plugged in, and change the dim and blank times. | 07:33 |
| disq | :) | 07:34 |
| derf | I'd like to set it up to execute an arbitrary script, but I don't know how to do that without exposing a ginormous security hole. | 07:35 |
| derf | http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb if you want to try it out. | 07:36 |
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| disq | hmm | 07:48 |
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| keesj | tigert: plankton feels good | 09:30 |
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| febb | hi | 09:43 |
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| tigert | good. now that the flu is gone, i will do some finetuning on it | 11:29 |
| tigert | to make it more consistent on buttons etc | 11:30 |
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| keesj | doe theme influence the spacing of items? | 13:37 |
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| jku_ | keesj, it can, AFAIK | 14:03 |
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| [AD]Turbo | hi there | 15:11 |
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| maddler | hello | 15:50 |
| k-way | Hi | 15:53 |
| k-way | maddler: did you try the plakton theme? | 15:54 |
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| neostrider | hello fellows | 16:18 |
| keesj | Hi | 16:20 |
| keesj | I hope to finaly create a release of xmoto today | 16:21 |
| maddler | keesj: yep... it's my default theme... | 16:24 |
| neostrider | great!!! | 16:24 |
| neostrider | I will test it to you | 16:24 |
| neostrider | still works with 770, right? | 16:24 |
| keesj | That is what I want to know | 16:25 |
| keesj | i have it2007 on my 770 | 16:25 |
| neostrider | i have it2006 | 16:25 |
| maddler | keesj: is there a new release for plankton? | 16:25 |
| neostrider | scirocco | 16:25 |
| keesj | maddler: I don't know :p | 16:25 |
| keesj | I just tried it today for the first tiem | 16:25 |
| neostrider | im more like the orange default | 16:26 |
| maddler | hehehe... best theme ever for me... | 16:26 |
| maddler | default themes aren't that good... :) | 16:27 |
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| neostrider | maddler...I also like the star trek theme... | 16:28 |
| neostrider | but it is somewhat nasty behaviored | 16:28 |
| keesj | weirdo | 16:28 |
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| maddler | neostrider: yep... nice... but... dunno... not my theme for everyday use... :D | 16:29 |
| neostrider | i dont use the 770 as my everyday device | 16:29 |
| neostrider | just for development | 16:29 |
| neostrider | so, I cant say it is confortable or not | 16:29 |
| keesj | I will need to use the bluetooth network to connect my nokia to the internet at work | 16:30 |
| maddler | my N800 is always with me... | 16:30 |
| neostrider | i have a trauma on this | 16:31 |
| keesj | I actualy prefer to use the 770 for the moment. | 16:31 |
| neostrider | my once loved N-Gage was stealed on my everyday use | 16:31 |
| neostrider | and I dropped Series60 for good with this | 16:31 |
| neostrider | and also free'd myself from windows heheh | 16:31 |
| neostrider | keesj, you have both? | 16:31 |
| keesj | I just hope that the battery stuff will be software fixed , it2007 on the 770 still has a long batery life | 16:31 |
| keesj | yes, | 16:32 |
| neostrider | great | 16:32 |
| neostrider | Im thinking about doing that | 16:32 |
| neostrider | and having the n800 as my everyday device... | 16:32 |
| keesj | the first I was 260 euro , and for the second I was happely elected for the developers program" | 16:32 |
| neostrider | what came in the bundle? | 16:32 |
| neostrider | my 770 came from the developers program too | 16:33 |
| keesj | my 770 was only a few month old :p | 16:33 |
| neostrider | second hand? | 16:33 |
| keesj | no. not that I was aware of | 16:34 |
| neostrider | oh..ok | 16:34 |
| keesj | I think they just had a hard time selling a phone with no phone funcionality in the phone shop | 16:34 |
| neostrider | but keesj . what came in the n800 bundle? | 16:34 |
| neostrider | hahahahha...nobody understood the concept yet | 16:34 |
| neostrider | they think its a computer | 16:34 |
| neostrider | saying sometimes "tabletPC" | 16:35 |
| neostrider | I know... I use it for debugging just like I would use a tabletPC | 16:35 |
| neostrider | but its a internet tablet... | 16:35 |
| neostrider | we must be aware of that | 16:35 |
| shackan | EVERYBODY has seen my tablet so far tought it was a phone | 16:36 |
| shackan | they just don't get it | 16:36 |
| c0ffee | i tell people it's a smart phone | 16:36 |
| c0ffee | without the phone bit | 16:36 |
| suihkulokki | amazon seems to put n800 into tablet pc section | 16:37 |
| neostrider | my gf still didnt get it | 16:38 |
| neostrider | thinks its a palm | 16:38 |
| VRe | Now if that selfone project would make it possible to use the mobile thru usb, then we could finally have these tiny phones which are mainly used for connecting to mobile network | 16:38 |
| neostrider | selfone its a very funny name | 16:39 |
| VRe | nostrider: Maybe it's the only slot in her mental map where this kind of thing can fit | 16:39 |
| neostrider | its a "portuguezation" of cellphone hehheh | 16:39 |
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| neostrider | i had good laughs when I saw it on barbieri's blog | 16:40 |
| neostrider | keesj, SDL_gfx is on garage? | 16:41 |
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| keesj | no in mud | 16:42 |
| keesj | neostrider: can you try this to install xmoto using this url? | 16:45 |
| neostrider | what url? | 16:45 |
| keesj | http://tinyurl.com/2wkg2g or http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/xmoto/xmoto.install | 16:45 |
| neostrider | ok | 16:45 |
| neostrider | .install | 16:45 |
| neostrider | i cant install like this | 16:45 |
| neostrider | my 770 only connects to internet when my computer is in windows... | 16:46 |
| neostrider | (damn dlink) | 16:46 |
| neostrider | can you provide me the .deb? | 16:46 |
| keesj | you need a few , I can tar them if you want | 16:47 |
| neostrider | please =-D | 16:49 |
| keesj | obe moment , I am just missing xmoto :p | 16:51 |
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| neostrider | keesj? tell me you didnt lost your latest xmoto effort ehhe | 17:01 |
| keesj | O hope not, | 17:02 |
| keesj | I ashdjkfhasjkdfsahf | 17:02 |
| keesj | sorry | 17:02 |
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| neostrider | what? | 17:06 |
| keesj | I have such a bad typing day | 17:07 |
| neostrider | dont worry | 17:13 |
| neostrider | we can always do that other day | 17:13 |
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| keesj | neostrider: http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/xmoto/xmoto_it2006.tar.gz | 17:15 |
| rhsanborn | Anyone know if pine works on the 800? | 17:15 |
| neostrider | thanks!!!! | 17:15 |
| derf | So, is it ironic that my N800 consistently has more free space than the laptop I'm developing from? | 17:16 |
| rhsanborn | :P | 17:16 |
| derf | /dev/sda5 90G 90G 21M 100% / | 17:16 |
| neostrider | hahahhahahaha | 17:18 |
| neostrider | derf. can you still boot? =-P | 17:18 |
| derf | Let's not find out. | 17:18 |
| ptman | who was it that was offering free recompiles of OS2006 software to OS2007 | 17:20 |
| keesj | 90G?? wtf | 17:20 |
| neostrider | brb | 17:21 |
| keesj | sorry free space hmm | 17:21 |
| derf | 90G is the used space on my laptop. | 17:21 |
| keesj | neostrider: let me know how it goes | 17:21 |
| derf | My N800 is | 17:21 |
| derf | /dev/mtdblock4 251.5M 180.7M 70.8M 72% / | 17:21 |
| keesj | /dev/mmcblk1p1 3.8G 29.1M 3.8G 1% /media/mmc1 | 17:22 |
| derf | Well, I'm not counting the mmc's, since I can't get them to work reliably. | 17:22 |
| derf | But yes, that would add several more GB. | 17:25 |
| rhsanborn | If I download the sdk for 2007, can i just snag the source for 2006 apps and recompile it? | 17:25 |
| derf | rhsanborn: You should be able to. | 17:26 |
| derf | I mean, I was compiling stuff with it before I even got my device. | 17:26 |
| rhsanborn | I might have to do that. I want pine and latex ;p | 17:26 |
| derf | LaTeX? | 17:27 |
| rhsanborn | Same thing | 17:27 |
| rhsanborn | Yes | 17:27 |
| derf | No, I mean, why? | 17:27 |
| derf | I mean, I love LaTeX and all, but that's what ssh is for. | 17:28 |
| rhsanborn | I use the 800 as my sole computing device for a healthy part of the week. Would be nice to write and output papers for class (college student) | 17:29 |
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| rhsanborn | With xterm, pine, some inet utils, and latex, this thing could do just about everything I use a comp for | 17:31 |
| derf | With xterm, ssh, this thing could do just about everything I use a comp for. | 17:31 |
| dyncorp | and xchat and browser... is there irssi? | 17:32 |
| derf | There is, but I couldn't get it to work. | 17:32 |
| rhsanborn | Irssi? | 17:32 |
| derf | Again... see ssh. | 17:32 |
| derf | rhsanborn: IRC client. | 17:32 |
| rhsanborn | Thx | 17:32 |
| dyncorp | rhsanborn: there's xterm and ssh | 17:33 |
| dyncorp | also kismet, festival-lite | 17:33 |
| dyncorp | i set it to speak-up when i pass an open WLAN | 17:33 |
| derf | Nice. | 17:33 |
| derf | How'd you manage that? | 17:34 |
| dyncorp | just basic kismet settings, do you need help with it? | 17:34 |
| rhsanborn | Aye, I'd use ssh, but in about a year i'll be in rural africa, so this will be my 'laptop' | 17:35 |
| derf | No, I've never used kismet. | 17:35 |
| neostrider | keesj, downloading... | 17:35 |
| derf | rhsanborn: Ah, well _that_ does sound like a problem. | 17:35 |
| dyncorp | i prefer kismet to the n770 probing scan. kismet is passive (rfmon) | 17:35 |
| derf | Yeah, I didn't see a way to do it from the maemo API's. | 17:36 |
| dyncorp | i wonder if one can increase the signal strength of the wifi chipset | 17:40 |
| dyncorp | USA allows 1000mw iirc | 17:40 |
| derf | An excellent thing to only do while plugged in. | 17:41 |
| dyncorp | it is possible? | 17:43 |
| derf | I'm writing a daemon to update settings when the charger is plugged and unplugged. | 17:43 |
| derf | Right now it does brightness settings and screen blank times. | 17:44 |
| neostrider | keesj : installing... | 17:44 |
| c0ffee | afaik the 1000mW is for another band | 17:44 |
| keesj | great | 17:44 |
| derf | But yeah, I have no idea if you can set tx power. | 17:44 |
| neostrider | any prefered order to install the packages? | 17:44 |
| dyncorp | do the US versions have higher TX power? | 17:45 |
| shackan | derf, cool, I was gonna write something similar (to switch "power profiles" when listening music/reading/surfing) | 17:45 |
| c0ffee | no | 17:45 |
| c0ffee | the european max. is 1000mW for 5.7GHZ band as well | 17:45 |
| neostrider | keesj : im cheating. i just activated red pill mode | 17:45 |
| derf | shackan: http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb if you want to try it out. | 17:45 |
| neostrider | does the test still worth? | 17:45 |
| keesj | why? | 17:46 |
| keesj | why the red pill? | 17:47 |
| neostrider | I want to install minimo =-D | 17:47 |
| neostrider | I coudlnt install lua | 17:47 |
| neostrider | then..the same applies to xmoto | 17:48 |
| neostrider | lua requires libreadline4 | 17:48 |
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| keesj | they are in http://repository.maemo.org scirocco/free Packages | 17:52 |
| keesj | I have no idea how many repositories are on that site :( | 17:52 |
| keesj | do you think I would be wise to add readline to my repo? | 17:53 |
| neostrider | i guess so | 17:54 |
| neostrider | i will try installing xmoto later | 17:54 |
| neostrider | with the 770 connected to internet... | 17:54 |
| keesj | I just created an application entry for xmoto on downloads.maemo.org , I want to create an xtra wiki page (that would be tagged xmoto) how /where do I do that | 17:59 |
| b0unc3 | why the sd card sometimes go in ro mode ? | 18:01 |
| b0unc3 | without notifications... | 18:01 |
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| neostrider | keesj. I sincerely dont know | 18:07 |
| neostrider | these new maemo sites got me quite lost | 18:07 |
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| neostrider | brb | 18:54 |
| neostrider | lunch time! | 18:54 |
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| the_plumber | i just got one | 19:01 |
| the_plumber | these rock | 19:01 |
| acydlord | welcome to the club, and enjoy your new addiction :) | 19:02 |
| the_plumber | im using the 770's IP kernel and am having some problems getting the networking to -stay on-, any advice? | 19:03 |
| the_plumber | i would like to set a "persistent network connection" | 19:03 |
| the_plumber | without wlan shutting off | 19:03 |
| acydlord | check the connection settings, it may be set to drop the connection if idle | 19:03 |
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| the_plumber | that it!~\ | 19:04 |
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| the_plumber | its a bummer when using dpkg on an nfs mount because it just drops..... | 19:04 |
| the_plumber | so would that be in /etc/network on this thing? | 19:04 |
| the_plumber | lets see.... | 19:04 |
| acydlord | yeah, should be in the gui also | 19:05 |
| the_plumber | these things are the best. | 19:05 |
| the_plumber | im gonna get me two more! | 19:05 |
| acydlord | lol | 19:05 |
| acydlord | i love my n800 | 19:05 |
| bhima | I'd love my n800 more if it didn't have as much chrome and had bigger buttons on the top. | 19:05 |
| the_plumber | looking at that myself but i like the junker 770 | 19:06 |
| bhima | But the dual SD cards are pretty nice. | 19:06 |
| the_plumber | a good reason to upgrade for sure | 19:06 |
| bhima | The speaker volume on the n800 is superb. | 19:06 |
| the_plumber | i believe i can get a 2 gig for the 770 | 19:06 |
| the_plumber | gotta hack it though for that right? | 19:06 |
| acydlord | i hear you there bhima i'm gonna airbrush the face of mine black | 19:07 |
| bhima | But I really, really prefer the looks of the 770. The n800 looks like the industrial designers demanded that it could be identified as a Nokia device from 500 yards. | 19:07 |
| the_plumber | heh | 19:07 |
| the_plumber | the 770 is a little better looking (imho) | 19:07 |
| the_plumber | wish it had more guts though | 19:07 |
| the_plumber | nice if they offered a mobo upgrade to the 770 | 19:08 |
| acydlord | my 770 has technorati decals on the case | 19:08 |
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| bhima | I have both and I'm using the n800 almost exclusively now. | 19:08 |
| acydlord | n800 is still stock for the moment | 19:08 |
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| the_plumber | is there a way to make dpkg -not- show the dialog for where the app goes? it goes from commandline to a waiting gui box asking me if want to put this package in the "extras" folder | 19:09 |
| bhima | I find the angle of the webcam isn't that great. At a normal distance, the angle looks wrong. | 19:09 |
| the_plumber | i just want it be quiet and take the defaults | 19:09 |
| bhima | I have to hold the n800 at an angle and my eyes are still looking in th wrong direction. | 19:10 |
| keesj | the_plumber: I had that problem multiple times :) | 19:10 |
| the_plumber | keesj: its a pain in the ass when you are installing from an nfsmount | 19:10 |
| keesj | perhaps unset a display variable or export the display to you local machine | 19:10 |
| dyncorp | the_plumber: that would rule | 19:11 |
| the_plumber | yes, there should be an option like --defaults or --quite, something like that | 19:11 |
| the_plumber | maybe --shootflamesoutofyourass? | 19:11 |
| acydlord | i wouldnt mine to have one of those OQO devices running linux | 19:13 |
| the_plumber | im thinking of making a helicopter out of my 770 | 19:13 |
| acydlord | lol | 19:13 |
| the_plumber | that would be cool | 19:13 |
| the_plumber | need a parallel adapter and parapin.h | 19:14 |
| the_plumber | i bet parapin is supported on this thing | 19:14 |
| rhsanborn | Anyone know if someone ahs come up with a new mail client for the 800? | 19:15 |
| the_plumber | well, hell, the network settings are under "connectivity".... | 19:15 |
| the_plumber | had this thing a week and have been only doing command line stuff :-), i feel stupid. | 19:16 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, Thats what linux boxen are for :P | 19:16 |
| the_plumber | nice to know if can fall back on it though | 19:16 |
| keesj | rhsanborn: you saw modest? | 19:16 |
| rhsanborn | keesj, nay, will look it up, thx | 19:17 |
| the_plumber | now it just dpkg to tackle..... | 19:17 |
| the_plumber | i will let you know what i find keesj, brb | 19:17 |
| dyncorp | http://home.arcor.de/arnim.sauerbier/Tome-Maemo2.jpg | 19:17 |
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| rhsanborn | dyncorp, I want it !:P | 19:18 |
| dyncorp | me too :) | 19:19 |
| rhsanborn | Heh | 19:19 |
| the_plumber | nice how you got it to take up the whole screen, does it run fast? | 19:19 |
| the_plumber | scale 2 doesnt seem to work for many roms on mine :0 | 19:20 |
| dyncorp | it's not an emu. it's a native port so no speed problems at all | 19:20 |
| the_plumber | sweet | 19:20 |
| dyncorp | just a lot of work left | 19:20 |
| the_plumber | anyone get quake working yet? | 19:20 |
| the_plumber | thats the only game i still like (team fortress) | 19:21 |
| rhsanborn | Just curious, how much work does it take to get old games like that compiled into maemo? the resolutions shoul be lower than the tablet's max I would think... | 19:21 |
| derf | Someone should get wine+Starcraft running. | 19:23 |
| rhsanborn | ... | 19:23 |
| derf | Ther's a game you can play solely with the stylus. | 19:23 |
| rhsanborn | I get bothered by how slow nintendo is...I can't imagine starcraft in wine ... | 19:24 |
| the_plumber | i wonder if dpkg --nocheck would install the packages without popping up the application manager? | 19:24 |
| rhsanborn | Blech...this system isn't setup with a second boot for linux...anyone know if there is a doc for getting cygwin setup to run the sdk? | 19:29 |
| dragorn | scratchbox in cygwin? pretty sure it won't work | 19:31 |
| dragorn | it plays too many tricks with bind-mounts of directories | 19:31 |
| rhsanborn | Just found that out. | 19:31 |
| dragorn | also, wine won't work on maemo | 19:31 |
| dragorn | wine is a syscall emulator, not a CPU emulator | 19:32 |
| dragorn | the intel binaries won't work. | 19:32 |
| dragorn | you COULD try to build DosBox, which is a cpu/video/dos emulator and can run a bunch of old games | 19:32 |
| dragorn | but I don't think it would be usable | 19:32 |
| the_plumber | anyone find any sweet cradles for their 770's ? | 19:33 |
| the_plumber | ma baby needs a cradle | 19:33 |
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| the_plumber | i enabled r&d but when i try to install ncurses it gives me the standard red pill error, so i assume red pill is -not- r&d mode? | 20:26 |
| maddler | no... it's not RD mode... | 20:26 |
| maddler | :) | 20:26 |
| the_plumber | is there a way to make it red pill on flash? | 20:26 |
| maddler | ? | 20:26 |
| the_plumber | so i don't need to go through with the adding matrix to app manager etc? | 20:27 |
| maddler | no... you have to... | 20:27 |
| the_plumber | i wanna automate it so ... | 20:27 |
| the_plumber | shit | 20:27 |
| the_plumber | linux sucks? ;-) | 20:27 |
| maddler | the_plumber: ERETIC! | 20:27 |
| the_plumber | lol | 20:27 |
| maddler | TO THE STAKE! | 20:28 |
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| the_plumber | blasphemy ! | 20:28 |
| maddler | let's burn the eretic! | 20:28 |
| maddler | hahahaha | 20:28 |
| the_plumber | im gonna be so full of red pills someones gonna hafta call the doctor | 20:29 |
| the_plumber | send the god-child | 20:30 |
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| sp3000 | won't you send me a reindeer | 20:31 |
| kender | hi | 20:31 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: the 'tabs' seem not to work fine :( | 20:33 |
| dyncorp | what is 'home' button? on top of 770 or the curved arrow? | 20:33 |
| the_plumber | so what functionality does r&d really provide? i mean, whats the difference? | 20:33 |
| the_plumber | added libs etc? | 20:33 |
| the_plumber | or does it just unlock something? | 20:33 |
| dyncorp | my manual is german and i do not see it here. sorry for the dumb question | 20:34 |
| the_plumber | make is on there no matter what right? | 20:34 |
| maddler | b0unc3: bad... :( | 20:35 |
| the_plumber | curved arrow scrolls up/down, home brings you to your desktop | 20:35 |
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| dyncorp | oh duh the picture of the house. thanks the_plumber | 20:35 |
| maddler | dyncorp: the "home" button is the one with the "home" ;) | 20:35 |
| the_plumber | maybe it checks your gps pos and tells where your home is? | 20:36 |
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| the_plumber | you could probably script it if you get the GPS i would suppose | 20:36 |
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| b0unc3 | maddler: try it | 20:37 |
| the_plumber | speaking of which, does anyone have the gps mod for the 770? | 20:37 |
| maddler | b0unc3: link | 20:38 |
| rhsanborn | Has anyone used the blog app? | 20:38 |
| rhsanborn | I'm trying to find a good way to do a bunch of offline blog entries then dumping them when I get an itnernet connection | 20:41 |
| the_plumber | looks as though perl is supported, you could use the open function and script your blogs | 20:42 |
| maddler | rhsanborn: I have pppblog running on my N800 | 20:42 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, eww :P | 20:42 |
| the_plumber | heh | 20:42 |
| rhsanborn | maddler, I'm not familiar with that specifically, but does it basically allow for making a bunhc of entries and then dumping them? | 20:42 |
| the_plumber | rhsanborn: its a little more complicated that you probably wish | 20:43 |
| maddler | rhsanborn: not out of the box... | 20:43 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, in all seriousness, I was considering using xml files, etc and doing exactly that | 20:43 |
| maddler | rhsanborn: I mean, you are supposed to take the datafile and put it on the "real site" | 20:44 |
| maddler | rhsanborn: maybe using diff/patch since it's a plain text file... | 20:44 |
| the_plumber | rhsanborn: cool | 20:44 |
| rhsanborn | hrm... | 20:44 |
| rhsanborn | <-- looing up pppblog atm :P | 20:44 |
| rhsanborn | Interesting. Didn't someone write an app that supports some of the more popular blog formats? | 20:46 |
| the_plumber | rhsanborn: wonder if you could simply do it with lynx (links)? | 20:46 |
| rhsanborn | If there isn't something that does it really nice and clean like (Easy, near one click uploads) then I think I'll try and find a blog that has a nice api on the back of it | 20:47 |
| maddler | the_plumber: you are supposed to be online for that... | 20:47 |
| rhsanborn | I'm sure someone has HAD to have made blog that can handle soap connections | 20:47 |
| rhsanborn | Then I just need a script or short program that can pluck the data (blog entries) out of an xml file and soap it up | 20:48 |
| the_plumber | rhsanborn: use it when you get online to submit them? | 20:48 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, exactly | 20:48 |
| the_plumber | use lynx when you get online to submit them? | 20:48 |
| rhsanborn | I'll write the entires into an xml file, and when I get to an internet spot just run off a scripts | 20:49 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, do you have a link to lynx? | 20:49 |
| rhsanborn | I'm not familiar with it | 20:49 |
| maddler | b0unc3: seems to work here... | 20:49 |
| the_plumber | the command line webbroswer? i believe www.lynx.org? | 20:49 |
| the_plumber | i think you can setup lynx to submit from the command line | 20:49 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, oh, I see | 20:50 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: try to 'abuse' it ... | 20:50 |
| maddler | yep... going back and forth from system to all... | 20:50 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, The only thing about that is that a lynx script could be completely destroyed if the blog software gets updates (fielsd moved, etc) | 20:50 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, api's are usualyl FAR less likely to change | 20:51 |
| s-ndh-c | is there changelog availiable to see the changes between itos2006 and itos2007 ? | 20:51 |
| rhsanborn | And it'd prolly be the same amount of work to write a perl script as it would to write a bash script to run lynx | 20:51 |
| maddler | hmmm... needed to reboot... :) | 20:51 |
| the_plumber | rhsanborn: either that or you can use perl to open a socket (port 80), buffer you input, create your stack, search, open a socket, submit... | 20:51 |
| rhsanborn | sigh....I shouldn't have dropped that comp sci degree :P | 20:51 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: :( | 20:52 |
| the_plumber | rhsanborn: alot more complicated but if you know what you are looking for it shouldn't be that difficult | 20:52 |
| the_plumber | rhsanborn: if the webpage changes your kinda hosed though | 20:52 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, that should be essentially wat a SOAP based API should do...except they program what I'm looking for into the API :P | 20:52 |
| rhsanborn | So if they change anything, they usually make the change on the server side for the API.... | 20:53 |
| the_plumber | i don't know soap (perl and c), but | 20:53 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, SOAP Software something Access Protocol | 20:53 |
| the_plumber | perl is nice for stuff like this as it autobuffers | 20:53 |
| rhsanborn | It's the idea, and a set of requirements, that allows me to make a conenction between a program (my script) and the server | 20:54 |
| the_plumber | so a protocol, they probably have a perl lib for that.... | 20:54 |
| the_plumber | in fact i would be suprised if they -didnt- | 20:55 |
| rhsanborn | It's up to the writers of the API on what languages they support | 20:55 |
| rhsanborn | But yeah, I'm hoping for either python or PERL | 20:55 |
| the_plumber | seams from what i have read, soap is pretty open | 20:55 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, each app that implements it has to write their own set of commands, etc for it | 20:56 |
| the_plumber | i like to go a little lower than that so i would use a socket, but if you can get away with it and if that is the standard for your app, i would use the soap lib | 20:56 |
| rhsanborn | the_plumber, soap opens and handles the socket for you, and the programers make the appropriate changes as the appliaction gets updated, etc | 20:57 |
| the_plumber | in fact, here it is: http://search.cpan.org/~kbrown/SOAP-0.28/lib/SOAP.pm | 20:57 |
| the_plumber | have fun | 20:57 |
| rhsanborn | lol, thanks :P | 20:57 |
| the_plumber | no prob | 20:57 |
| rhsanborn | WAs still hoping for a one click program that required NO work from me :P | 20:58 |
| maddler | b0unc3: yup... looks like tabs aren't working... :( | 20:58 |
| the_plumber | it probably comes with the default dist? | 20:58 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: I know ... but I don't know why ;( | 21:00 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: eh... who may tell... | 21:06 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: I can use the default 'tabs' but they looks ugly... | 21:10 |
| maddler | I bet... | 21:15 |
| maddler | ok... as of now I'd say to leave tabs apart... | 21:15 |
| maddler | being able to get the most used apps on desktop is good enough... | 21:15 |
| maddler | as a starting point... | 21:15 |
| b0unc3 | yea... I think so | 21:16 |
| rhsanborn | Does the N800 have Java installed out of the box? | 21:23 |
| maddler | rhsanborn: no... | 21:31 |
| maddler | and no working java as far as I know... | 21:31 |
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| rhsanborn | maddler, bah :P | 21:33 |
| maddler | ehhh... you know... life... | 21:34 |
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| dyncorp | why did sun never get a java-centric pda OS off the ground? | 21:35 |
| maddler | maybe because they simply don't care about that... | 21:36 |
| maddler | not their biz | 21:36 |
| maddler | that's all... IMHO | 21:36 |
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| dyncorp | heh i don't see how ppl use this thing without a BT keyboard :) | 21:38 |
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| bjv | you cannot resume downloading the maemo.org firmware images? | 21:43 |
| bjv | www.maemo.org|62.61.85.38|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do. | 21:44 |
| dyncorp | check download with ls -ls *filename* | 21:47 |
| dyncorp | is actual size = reserved size (sparse file)? | 21:47 |
| sp3000 | you wouldn't be trying to resume the clickthrough onto your partial image? | 21:47 |
| bjv | i put the session cookie in through wget | 21:48 |
| bjv | i couldnt resume off the partial file, so i chopped it down abit with dd | 21:48 |
| bjv | shouldnt be sparse or anything | 21:48 |
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| the_plumber | yeah -> (Reading database ... 12202 files and directories currently installed.) | 22:22 |
| the_plumber | thats a mighty engine of destruction | 22:22 |
| the_plumber | anyone know howto make the display stay -on- while the 770 is plugged in? | 22:23 |
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| bjv | ive noticed if i keep my display at bright 2 minutes, off 2 minutes. it shuts off when charging or locking | 22:25 |
| bjv | setting it to bright 2 minutes, off 5 minutes keeps the display on when locking or charging, just on low brightness mode | 22:25 |
| bjv | im on release1 of the 2006 OS, though | 22:26 |
| bjv | unsure if this is a feature or a bug | 22:26 |
| dyncorp | is dropbear the preferred ssh for OS 2006? | 22:29 |
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| dyncorp | ah.. i was too but had the ssh disconnect issue | 22:31 |
| dyncorp | so now i'm uising the HowDoiBecomeroot2 howto that uses dropbear | 22:31 |
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| * cesman weeps as his n800 won't power up | 22:44 | |
| the_plumber | i cant giver any moor power! | 22:45 |
| the_plumber | bjv: n800? | 22:46 |
| bjv | 770 | 22:46 |
| cesman | when plugged into power, it powers on and off by itself | 22:46 |
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| the_plumber | i notice a weird flicker when my 770 dims.... | 22:46 |
| the_plumber | no lockups though | 22:47 |
| the_plumber | dyncorp: did you try a persisten ping from a remote host when using openssh? | 22:47 |
| the_plumber | the_plumber: wondering if dyncorp was using xchat from his nokia? | 22:50 |
| dyncorp | no i forgot | 22:50 |
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| dyncorp | \o/ i didn't break my 770 with 2006 upgrade | 22:53 |
| dyncorp | hadd to use -F option to specify location of the os binary | 22:53 |
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| dyncorp | odd, after installing mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.9 on new os2006 the pkg says 'broken' | 23:05 |
| s-ndh-c | anyone knows if there is some information on the changes from itos 2006 to 2007? | 23:06 |
| the_plumber | dyncorp: what OS are you using? did you also install the ping kernel? | 23:07 |
| dyncorp | i used latest 2006 SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 23:07 |
| dyncorp | default kernel so far | 23:07 |
| the_plumber | dyncorp: i have a script that i just used if you want to see it? | 23:08 |
| dyncorp | for keepalive? | 23:08 |
| the_plumber | installs about 60 packages? | 23:08 |
| dyncorp | i see that my ssh has just broken off | 23:08 |
| the_plumber | oh, | 23:08 |
| dyncorp | wow.. i only have 70MB free | 23:08 |
| the_plumber | just ping from a remote host as you reload your browser and it should stay persistent | 23:08 |
| dyncorp | installs what packages? i have installed only a handful now | 23:09 |
| dyncorp | ok will try | 23:09 |
| the_plumber | are you connecting from linux? | 23:09 |
| dyncorp | yes | 23:09 |
| the_plumber | i noticed it kinda goofy with keeping network up | 23:09 |
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| the_plumber | very tied into opera | 23:09 |
| dyncorp | yeah same... opera crashed and connection went down | 23:10 |
| the_plumber | start the ping from the remote host, then on the pda reload your page to bbc or something | 23:10 |
| dyncorp | yeah i see the ping running now... | 23:10 |
| the_plumber | cool | 23:10 |
| dyncorp | gonna try to get synergy running now (share the desktop mouse/kbd with the 770) | 23:10 |
| the_plumber | i notice with my nfs install script it will hang if i don't baby the browser/display | 23:10 |
| the_plumber | while the dpkg packages install | 23:10 |
| dyncorp | heh | 23:10 |
| the_plumber | vncserver is cool as hell on this thing | 23:11 |
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| dyncorp | oh that might be another fun one to try | 23:11 |
| the_plumber | was running xmame astdelux while vncing in | 23:11 |
| dragorn | the_plumber: I was impressed with both vnc and rdesktop | 23:11 |
| the_plumber | yea! | 23:11 |
| dragorn | the_plumber: I keep planning to rebuild my car-pc and use the 770 as a frontend w/ xvnc | 23:11 |
| dyncorp | the_plumber: are you running mistral now too? | 23:11 |
| the_plumber | i notice the vncserver seems to take control of the display/network nicely | 23:12 |
| dragorn | the_plumber: Move the map vectoring to the pc | 23:12 |
| the_plumber | yes | 23:12 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: yes | 23:12 |
| dyncorp | i don't see vncserver or synergy in apt-cache search | 23:12 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: sweet, im gonna make a mini helicopter with my 770 | 23:12 |
| the_plumber | waiting on my tig welder right now | 23:12 |
| dyncorp | my sources.list has catalogue.tableteer.nokia and repository.maemo.org (contrib and / ) | 23:13 |
| the_plumber | dyncorp: wget -r -np http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ | 23:13 |
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| the_plumber | wget -r -np http://repository.maemo.org/db | 23:13 |
| the_plumber | wget -r -np http://repository.maemo.org/pool | 23:14 |
| the_plumber | wget -r -np http://repository.maemo.org/dists | 23:14 |
| the_plumber | wget -r -np http://repository.maemo.org/conf | 23:14 |
| the_plumber | wget -r -np http://repository.maemo.org/extras | 23:14 |
| the_plumber | that should help with your base | 23:14 |
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| the_plumber | or you can use the -m switch to mirror | 23:15 |
| the_plumber | pretty brutal on maemo but i think they have the bandwidth | 23:15 |
| s-ndh-c | hehe | 23:15 |
| dyncorp | hmm... can i add those to sources.list? | 23:15 |
| keesj | dyncorp: you don't want vncserver you want x11vnc | 23:15 |
| dyncorp | ah ok | 23:15 |
| the_plumber | yeah | 23:16 |
| dyncorp | gives me the vnc of existing desktop | 23:16 |
| dyncorp | yes? | 23:16 |
| keesj | yes | 23:16 |
| the_plumber | think i will need to check the source of x11vnc to see how they keep the network kicking | 23:16 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: does moving the map vectoring to the pc speed up mame? | 23:17 |
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| dragorn | the_plumber: Er, well, I meant doing the vector map rendering for gps and navigation on the pc instead of trying to fit it on the tablet | 23:18 |
| the_plumber | suppose it would, howdo you do that? | 23:18 |
| keesj | the_plumber: do you have a ssh open? | 23:18 |
| the_plumber | not right now why? | 23:18 |
| the_plumber | keesj: not right now why? | 23:18 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: gottcha! | 23:19 |
| dyncorp | old versions of MAME used to do vector games using the OS to draw lines, but then they switched to internal line drawing and dirty buffers | 23:19 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: like the current cruise missiles? | 23:19 |
| dragorn | I wasn't talking about mame at all, was going to use vnc to turn the tablet into basically a thin client for a car pc. | 23:19 |
| keesj | I missed the start of the disc. sorry , I was in the impression that you wanted to keep a connection open | 23:19 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: now i get it.... | 23:20 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: still thinking of a helicopter | 23:20 |
| dragorn | the_plumber: not sure why you want to put a heavy, expensive LCD into a heli | 23:20 |
| dragorn | the_plumber: when you can use a SBC or a gumstix for 1/2 the price and less weight, and no glass to break when it falls | 23:21 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: mini aluminum helicopter, 770, usbcamer, gps, and pic controller to take care of the flight <-- priceless | 23:22 |
| the_plumber | (and wireless to boot) | 23:22 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: spose you only get a block radius but it would be funny | 23:22 |
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| dragorn | right. I don't see why the 770 is the best choice for that, other than "you already have one". A SBC or gumstix can do the same things (and actually have more interface capabilities) and then you can dump the telemetry to the 770 over wireless for viewing | 23:23 |
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| dragorn | using the 770 as the brains in the heli is sort of asking for buying a new 770 :P | 23:23 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: that would be cool, never used a gumstix | 23:23 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: im gonna get two more next week :-) | 23:24 |
| the_plumber | these things rock! | 23:24 |
| the_plumber | its about time the industry came out with something like this... | 23:24 |
| the_plumber | i gotta ipaq 2415 thats going on ebay soon.... | 23:24 |
| the_plumber | hate that damn 2415..... locks on a simple alarm | 23:25 |
| the_plumber | ms can't even get a simple alarm to work right | 23:25 |
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| dyncorp | i've seen what the new RC helis can do and it's insane | 23:26 |
| dyncorp | alan szabo... see if you can find that vid of him setting his heli down upside down ... on the rotor, | 23:27 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: i can't believe you just told me about that.... im gonna be so broke now :-) | 23:27 |
| the_plumber | those are cool! | 23:28 |
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| the_plumber | dragorn: robostix eh? | 23:29 |
| the_plumber | dragorn: have you used those? | 23:29 |
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| bhima | I just found my iPaq h5555. | 23:35 |
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| bhima | I'd like to try maemo mapper on it, I think. | 23:35 |
| bhima | (I know it won't run, of course, but it would be nice) | 23:36 |
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| gnuite | Does anybody know if the button images (zoom-in, "escape", etc., in /usr/share/osso-help/graphics) are available with icon names usable with gtk_image_new_from_icon_name() ? | 23:37 |
| tko | gnuite, not to my knowledge. power and select button graphics are available as glyphs, though | 23:40 |
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| dyncorp | osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installe | 23:41 |
| dyncorp | i don't believe it... not again | 23:41 |
| gnuite | tko: thanks... would it be very bad if I just used, e.g., gtk_image_new_from_file("/usr/share/osso-help/graphics/2686KEY_scroll_down.png") | 23:42 |
| gnuite | tko: they're not going to change those paths, are they? :) | 23:42 |
| tko | gnuite, unfortunate rule of thumb: if it's not visible in the product, chances are it's not available :-/ | 23:42 |
| tko | gnuite, it's not an advertised API so anything goes... | 23:42 |
| gnuite | so I have to copy them and distribute them in my .deb... | 23:43 |
| dyncorp | keesj, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/x11vnc x11vnc has not released any files? | 23:43 |
| gnuite | (are there legal issues with that?) | 23:43 |
| tko | gnuite, I would suggest filing a bug so that we get such request on the radar | 23:43 |
| gnuite | good idea | 23:44 |
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| tko | gnuite, I think the help content is under the end user license at least, so you don't really get any rights to distribute it | 23:44 |
| dyncorp | is there a remote-desktop solution that will let me see the n770 screen on my desktop pc? | 23:44 |
| gnuite | then ugly hack it is.. | 23:45 |
| gnuite | until they fix the bug | 23:45 |
| tko | actually the help content is on the device so you don't get any rights to distribute it. such is life | 23:45 |
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| maddler | gnuite: better using your own icons... as of now... IMHO | 23:46 |
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| tko | more stable API at least :) | 23:46 |
| maddler | and defer the final choice... | 23:47 |
| maddler | tko: right | 23:47 |
| gnuite | I'm too lazy (and inept) to make icons... | 23:47 |
| tko | check the special font whether it accidentally includes more glyphs :) | 23:48 |
| maddler | gnuite: I could try to draw some for you... | 23:48 |
| gnuite | which font is that? | 23:48 |
| tko | (sorry, can't recall the name of the font) | 23:48 |
| gnuite | doh! | 23:48 |
| gnuite | :) | 23:48 |
| maddler | hehe | 23:48 |
| tko | find /usr/share/fonts -name '*.ttf' | 23:48 |
| tko | we're not shipping that many fonts after all | 23:49 |
| tko | and we had some header file with suitable pango markup, though I can't recall whether it was public | 23:49 |
| gnuite | DeviceSymbols-RX34.ttf ? | 23:50 |
| tko | judging from the name, yes | 23:50 |
| tko | there should be /usr/include/device_symbols.h | 23:51 |
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| cesman | hooray! | 23:52 |
| * cesman has revived his N8i00 | 23:52 | |
| maddler | cesman: great! :D | 23:52 |
| maddler | cesman: what was wrong with it? | 23:52 |
| cesman | it wouldn't power up | 23:52 |
| cesman | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2007-January/002768.html | 23:53 |
| cesman | resolved it | 23:53 |
| tko | inserted the battery? :-P | 23:53 |
| maddler | tko: LOL! | 23:54 |
| maddler | btw... yes... upgrading BusBox isn't a nice choice... | 23:54 |
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| cesman | I don't recall installing busybox | 23:55 |
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| maddler | so? you simply reflashed it? | 23:58 |
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| cesman | I reflashed with the switches in the link above | 23:59 |
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