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| Littlefae | Hullo room | 01:04 |
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| Littlefae | Anyone able to tell me what gfx chip is in ths 770? There are hints that it may be one of the nVidia mobile chips | 01:06 |
| daniels | ha, no hope | 01:06 |
| daniels | it's the embedded omap display controller. you're not going to get any meaningful acceleration out of it. | 01:07 |
| Littlefae | Sucky | 01:07 |
| Littlefae | Thought it might have been one of the chips similar to those in cellphones | 01:07 |
| daniels | very few phones have the mbx, imageon, or the mobile nv chip. they suck up too much power. | 01:08 |
| Littlefae | Maybe the next-gen 770 will then. :) | 01:08 |
| glass_ | most 3d in phones is pure software | 01:09 |
| glass_ | at the moment | 01:09 |
| JussiP | One of the N series phones has HW OpenGL. Can't remember which one, though. | 01:09 |
| Littlefae | N9? | 01:09 |
| Littlefae | N91? | 01:10 |
| daniels | n-gage ;) | 01:10 |
| JussiP | One of those probably. | 01:10 |
| glass_ | n-gage is just soft 3d | 01:10 |
| Littlefae | N-gage makes 3D look ugly..... | 01:10 |
| glass_ | n-gage doesn't make 3d ugly.. it's the crappy coders in some of the games that made it look ugly | 01:11 |
| Littlefae | My old motorola was prettier | 01:11 |
| glass_ | trying to use 3d in wrong places and shit | 01:11 |
| glass_ | like said, just software | 01:11 |
| JussiP | The small screen and resolution makes it look crappy. | 01:11 |
| Littlefae | Right now, I would just kill for full framerate flash on this 770. >_< | 01:12 |
| JussiP | I would gladly kill all web designers who use gratuitous amounts of Flash. | 01:13 |
| glass_ | flash is great.. for funny flash movies. | 01:13 |
| Littlefae | Start wirth gootube then | 01:14 |
| Littlefae | Incidentally, does anyone have a maemo-mapper that actually runs? | 01:15 |
| Littlefae | Still getting a 'segmentation failure' msg | 01:16 |
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| myren | but then, i dont work for vmware | 01:20 |
| myren | god damn it | 01:20 |
| myren | pardon, i seem to have lost control over my selection buffer today | 01:21 |
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| zoyd | hi | 08:32 |
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| bergie_ | the new maemo.org layout is now running on http://test.maemo.org/ | 10:14 |
| bergie_ | some issues with non-Mozilla browsers though | 10:14 |
| X-Fade | bergie_: Nice :) | 10:17 |
| X-Fade | On 770 the corners are messed up.. | 10:17 |
| bergie_ | X-Fade: design is by tigert... http://www.tigert.com/archives/2006/10/27/maemoorg-webdesign-and-free-tools/ | 10:17 |
| X-Fade | bergie_: Yeah, I lurk here 24/7 ;) | 10:18 |
| bergie_ | CSS files are in here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2007/static/?root=maemo2midgard | 10:18 |
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| X-Fade | bergie_: Maybe you should give the corner divs a fixed width? | 10:21 |
| zoyd | are there any version related issues with running maemo within scratchbox? | 10:22 |
| bergie_ | X-Fade: I'll see if I have time to look at it or wait for tigert | 10:23 |
| MDK | very nice | 10:24 |
| MDK | now we just need to update that documentation *cough* | 10:24 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:05 |
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| tigert | morning | 11:08 |
| tigert | X-Fade: yea, I need to test it with the 770 of course | 11:08 |
| tigert | depends on the opera suckyness as how well it works currently, but I of course plan to fix it | 11:08 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Yeah, it seems to be a background-position problem. | 11:10 |
| tigert | yep | 11:10 |
| tigert | any hints are of course gladly appreciated | 11:11 |
| tigert | also the menubar is a bit weird | 11:11 |
| tigert | it shouldnt have the 2 pixel padding of white in there | 11:11 |
| tigert | when you compare to the screenshot in garage | 11:11 |
| tigert | but I'm investigating that too. my css is just a bit rusty | 11:11 |
| bergie_ | tigert: I committed a quick CSS hack for displaying the submenus better, but that needs a bit of thought still | 11:11 |
| florian_kc | good morning | 11:11 |
| tigert | yeah | 11:11 |
| tigert | feel free to mess with it | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | tigert: I think you have to specify the width and height of the div. | 11:11 |
| tigert | X-Fade: right | 11:12 |
| tigert | X-Fade: will try | 11:12 |
| tigert | I need to ask ferenc whether it auto-updates or not | 11:12 |
| tigert | I guess not at the moment | 11:12 |
| X-Fade | Too bad you can't specify an alternative css in opera on 770 ;) | 11:12 |
| tigert | bergie_: if you have it around there open in an editor, can you try to add the size stuff to the corner div's ? | 11:12 |
| tigert | X-Fade: well, we could | 11:13 |
| tigert | or wait | 11:13 |
| tigert | it claims to be msie, right | 11:13 |
| tigert | ? | 11:13 |
| tigert | or something equally silly? | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | In ff i can replace the css of a page. Not sure if opera can do that too. | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | So I can use a local css, to test the changes. | 11:14 |
| tigert | ah right | 11:14 |
| tigert | but you can just save the page locally | 11:14 |
| tigert | and mess with it there | 11:14 |
| X-Fade | True.. | 11:14 |
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| tigert | hm | 11:18 |
| tigert | so the GPS -like thing on engadget was true | 11:18 |
| tigert | I guess we are like ibm, nobody knows what's going on in the other side of the company ;) | 11:18 |
| tigert | http://www.nokia.com/A4136017?category=accessories | 11:19 |
| X-Fade | Hehe and the 870/880 will probably be true too ;) | 11:19 |
| tigert | "for everything else, there's engadget!" :) | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | I just hope it will be a joint plaform. So, like series 60. You can use software on multiple hardware models. | 11:23 |
| koen|work | time to start cloning an arm and leg | 11:24 |
| * koen|work wonders if the new models will have a dev discount as well | 11:24 | |
| koen|work | tigert: test.maemo.org is very curvy and gradienty, except for the submenus on the right | 11:25 |
| tigert | koen|work: yea, submenus have not yet been shaved and chipped for gradienty curvyness | 11:27 |
| tigert | just basic css axe so far | 11:27 |
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| robtaylor | tigert: crazy | 11:38 |
| robtaylor | tigert: looks like the same software you can buy for the 770 | 11:38 |
| tigert | robtaylor: the gps? | 11:41 |
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| tigert | that screenshot must be a mockup though | 11:42 |
| robtaylor | tigert:aye | 11:45 |
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| tigert | or its not simple ARM | 11:51 |
| tigert | imagine 3d vectors with antialiasing on the 770 cpu... | 11:51 |
| tigert | not going to happen easily :) | 11:51 |
| tigert | so it either is a mockup or something else does the math in it | 11:52 |
| tigert | lunchtime I think . & | 11:52 |
| zoyd | tigert: a web tablet that can serve as a desktop heater | 11:52 |
| inz | The gps-thingie does have way smaller resolution, which should help in drawing such arrows | 11:55 |
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| robtaylor | tigert: hmm, you can buy that same software on the 770,so... | 12:24 |
| robtaylor | http://www.europe.nokia.com/accessorieslink?s=770NavigationKit | 12:25 |
| robtaylor | screenshots look the same to me :) | 12:25 |
| roope | It has nice voice features. :) | 12:26 |
| roope | For finnish it has 4 B-class celebrity voices. | 12:26 |
| roope | Taru Valkeapää and Pentti Salovaara. | 12:26 |
| koen|work | not a voice from lordi? | 12:27 |
| roope | That would be nice. | 12:27 |
| inz | Didn't Valkeapää host Hugo TV-game? | 12:29 |
| VRe | Yeap | 12:32 |
| VRe | Children liked the game and parents (fathers?) the host | 12:33 |
| Knirch | ... what the.. | 12:33 |
| inz | VRe, yeah, something like that =) | 12:33 |
| inz | VRe, found some game review about a hugo game, which mentioned Taru's "microskirts" | 12:34 |
| Knirch | What is the battery lifetime of the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet when used for navigation? | 12:34 |
| Knirch | Active navigation time is up to 15 hours without the charger connected. Navigation software includes power-saving logic to help save the battery. | 12:34 |
| Knirch | -- | 12:34 |
| Knirch | o_O | 12:34 |
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| tigert | bergie_: can you update the site? | 13:14 |
| tigert | or does ferenc have to do it? | 13:14 |
| tigert | robtaylor: it doesnt look like navicore though on that screen mockup | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | I wonder if you will be able to purchase the software only. Since I already have a BT GPS :) | 13:15 |
| tigert | robtaylor: well, most maps look the same anyway :) | 13:15 |
| tigert | X-Fade: at least for the phones you can afaik | 13:15 |
| * robtaylor takes another look | 13:16 | |
| robtaylor | tigert: oh, you're rihgt, it looks like someone's hand-drawn version of navicore ;) | 13:16 |
| tigert | yea | 13:17 |
| tigert | Illustrator, I'd guess :) | 13:17 |
| * robtaylor agrees ;) | 13:17 | |
| * tigert doesnt quite understand this "Scandinavia" version of navicore | 13:17 | |
| tigert | people travel, you know | 13:17 |
| tigert | or "UK" version | 13:17 |
| tigert | how about "Europe" for a decent price, seriously? | 13:18 |
| tigert | or "world"? | 13:18 |
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| robtaylor | tigert: you hve to purchase them seperately? | 13:18 |
| robtaylor | its a bit crazy | 13:18 |
| tigert | its their business plan I guess | 13:18 |
| tigert | but its kinda silly considering that people do travel quite a lot | 13:19 |
| tigert | at least some of the target group | 13:19 |
| tigert | its fine if you are a taxi in london to get the "UK" version I guess | 13:19 |
| tigert | but not if you fly to conferences etc a lot | 13:19 |
| tigert | but I guess they have different coverage versions | 13:19 |
| tigert | plus the data tends to get big | 13:19 |
| ab | I wonder what format this thing is using | 13:20 |
| ab | tigert: full Russia in vector is less than 600Mb | 13:20 |
| ab | tigert: Belarus map in vector is 4Mb | 13:21 |
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| ab | with quite good resolution and down-to-street maps of cities | 13:21 |
| tigert | its vector afaik | 13:21 |
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| tigert | their pages say scandinavia takes 256MB | 13:22 |
| ab | hm.. | 13:22 |
| tigert | but they also have point of interest data too | 13:22 |
| tigert | like restaurants, etc | 13:22 |
| ab | underoptimized :-) | 13:22 |
| tigert | and gas stations etc | 13:22 |
| tigert | at least on the phone version of the software | 13:22 |
| robtaylor | ab: surely that depends on what level of detail you have | 13:22 |
| ab | same in the maps I pointed to | 13:22 |
| tigert | ok | 13:23 |
| ab | robtaylor: I have (freely available) Belarus map which is about 4Mb big, with POI covering full country, including gas stations, police stations, shops, etc | 13:23 |
| ab | I'm asking about formats because there is a (shareware) map editor which allows to draw and convert maps between different formats | 13:24 |
| robtaylor | ab: how dows it compare with, say a OS landranger map? | 13:25 |
| ab | robtaylor: what is that? :-) | 13:26 |
| robtaylor | ab: on of the scales of ordinance survey maps | 13:27 |
| robtaylor | http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ | 13:27 |
| robtaylor | ab: OS has scales where you can see the outlines of individual houses, 10 m contour lines and the smallest paths.. i'm pretty certain that takes up quite a bit of data ;) | 13:31 |
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| ab | robtaylor: same on this one | 13:32 |
| ab | let me find you an example... | 13:32 |
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| ab | robtaylor: http://map.gurtam.by/map.html?lang=ru is an online version of that map combined with Google Map | 13:38 |
| ab | robtaylor: as far as I can see, English version doesn't show anything but russian one works | 13:38 |
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| ab | so you may try to zoom-in in yellow M2 marked city (capital) | 13:39 |
| keesj | is that where you live? | 13:40 |
| keesj | under a viaduct? | 13:40 |
| robtaylor | ab: its somewhat lower res than the landranger, but still pretty impressive :) | 13:41 |
| ab | robtaylor: this is done by volunteers who go with GPS and record tracks | 13:41 |
| tigert | ab: are you hooked up with openstreetmap.org? | 13:43 |
| ab | no | 13:44 |
| tigert | ab: talk to sxpert-work | 13:44 |
| ab | in Russian-speaking countries people have their own project | 13:44 |
| tigert | it would make sense to join forces too I think | 13:44 |
| tigert | so the data could be shared accross | 13:44 |
| ab | freemaps.ru | 13:44 |
| ab | this is built around geopainting.com | 13:46 |
| ab | which is the editor I'm talking about | 13:46 |
| ab | the guy who makes this editor is also working in a company which develops a navigation software | 13:47 |
| ab | the editor supports polish format and is able to export/import in many other formats too but original format is "polish" | 13:47 |
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| tigert | right | 13:47 |
| robtaylor | ab: in that case, very impressive :) | 13:49 |
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| ab | tigert: so it is possible to use MP maps with openstreetmap.org? | 13:53 |
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| bergie_ | hi ab! | 14:01 |
| ab | hey, Bergie | 14:02 |
| bergie_ | tigert: ferenc is now updating the site | 14:02 |
| bergie_ | for now you have to manually update the style from SVN, though it would be easy to automate | 14:02 |
| bergie_ | tigert: great, http://test.maemo.org now renders correctly on 770 | 14:07 |
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| X-Fade | bergie_: Took me a while to get that fixed ;) | 14:07 |
| bergie_ | X-Fade: ah, you did it. thanks! | 14:08 |
| bergie_ | it is somehow relevant that this particular site works properly with 770 as the application catalog will be there :-) | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it would be bad if that didn't render correctly on 770 :) | 14:09 |
| bergie_ | now tigert then would need to decide the application catalog UI so I can continue on that... | 14:09 |
| sxpert-work | ab: I'm here :D | 14:24 |
| ab | sxpert-work: just wanted to ask if it is possible for OSM to interoperate with polish format | 14:25 |
| ab | i.e., is it possible to import it? | 14:25 |
| sxpert-work | ab: the important thing is that the imported data must be under a free licence of some sort. we can't accept any sort of proprietary data for obvious reasons. OSM data is under CC-BY-SA | 14:26 |
| ab | sxpert-work: I understand that. I'm not looking at contributing myself (not a map maker by any means) but want to understand if it is already implemented so that I could convince existing projects to export data convert data to OSM | 14:28 |
| sxpert-work | ab: you should come over on oftc #osm for more info :D | 14:28 |
| ab | :-) | 14:28 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm no midgard for gnome.org it seems. | 14:59 |
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| netmask | hello | 15:13 |
| aCiDBaSe | hello :) | 15:14 |
| florian_kc | hi netmask | 15:14 |
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| tigert | bergie_: nice | 15:27 |
| tigert | ! | 15:27 |
| bergie_ | X-Fade: well, at least they managed to choose something :-) | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | bergie_: Yes, but still too bad for you :( | 15:31 |
| daniels | o | 15:32 |
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| bergie_ | X-Fade: Plone isn't too bad from what I've heard, and at least now I can just sit back and watch the process instead of having to work on it ;-) | 15:32 |
| bergie_ | but yeah, would've been fun to get gnome.org on Midgard like we're now doing with maemo.org | 15:32 |
| X-Fade | bergie_: Hehe, I'm very interrested what will come of it. | 15:33 |
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| X-Fade | bergie_: At least you can show the world through maemo.org how cool it is. :) | 15:34 |
| bergie_ | yep | 15:34 |
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| bergie_ | that part is looking good so far. the base layout is now nicely midgardized, and we have most of the user account sync from Gforge to Midgard working | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | Now you only need a design for the app. catalog ;) | 15:37 |
| bergie_ | yes... waiting that from tigert | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | tiger's inkscape foo :) | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | +t | 15:38 |
| bergie_ | the DB backend and content entry form are done, but I haven't done anything on the search/listing UI as I don't know how it is supposed to work/look | 15:38 |
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| X-Fade | bergie_: Every thing is a div :) That way you can do everything in css.. | 15:39 |
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| X-Fade | bergie_: Every thing is a div :) That way you can do everything in css.. | 15:40 |
| bergie | X-Fade: colloquy crashed so I might've missed what you were saying | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | I already re-pasted it ;) | 15:41 |
| bergie | X-Fade: I think the actual entries will be listed using http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview | 15:41 |
| bergie | X-Fade: but we may not want to display everything in the listing view, as people might be on GPRS | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | You could add a low-bandwidth switch somewhere.. | 15:43 |
| bergie | also, I think the application catalog will be page per category, not page for whole catalog like now | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | Sure, it is getting far too big now. | 15:51 |
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| shapr | Did I miss any good gossip about the Nokia 870? | 16:14 |
| inz | There is no such thing as good gossip. | 16:15 |
| VRe | It would be information if it would be good | 16:16 |
| daniels | tko: haha, greetings.fi is great | 16:17 |
| daniels | tko: it's a bit misleading though, it implies that there's crime in finland | 16:17 |
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| daniels | tko: http://www.greetings.fi/pages/greetingsi081.htm is _very_ accurate | 16:22 |
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| tigert | bergie: are you here today btw? | 16:34 |
| tigert | bergie: your jabber says so | 16:35 |
| bergie | yes | 16:36 |
| bergie | sitting in ferenc's room | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | bergie: You are mixing phptags and shorttags in ROOT.php. | 16:45 |
| bergie | so it seems... fixing | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | I only found one instance :) | 16:48 |
| bergie | yep... that is what I get for "copy-paste coding" ;-) | 16:48 |
| tigert | bergie: duh | 16:53 |
| * tigert walks over | 16:53 | |
| tigert | bergie: how long will you be around? | 16:53 |
| koen|work | sweet | 16:55 |
| koen|work | test.maemo.org loads a zillion times faster now over gprs | 16:55 |
| koen|work | but it lost its curviness :( | 16:55 |
| bergie | tigert: no idea | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | koen|work: Make sure the stylesheet isn't cached. | 16:56 |
| koen|work | and the 'submenu' has a bigger header as the main menu | 16:56 |
| bergie | ferenc is playing with the replication stuff now so the test site may be broken every now and then | 16:56 |
| tigert | eek :) | 16:56 |
| tigert | its plain default again now | 16:56 |
| tigert | koen|work: was it very slow? I can try to optimize the png's at some point | 16:57 |
| koen|work | tigert: as slow as gprs is :) | 16:57 |
| koen|work | tigert: and I suspect camino isn't optimized for high-latency links | 16:57 |
| tigert | yea | 16:57 |
| tigert | also I didnt optimize the pngs at all yet | 16:57 |
| tigert | thye are straight from inkscape | 16:57 |
| koen|work | it starts rendering very late | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | tigert: It has to fetch a lot of files, 5 css files and 6 javascripts on top of all images. | 16:58 |
| tigert | yeah | 16:59 |
| tigert | and the maemo browser doesnt cache much | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | And each fetch on gprs takes a lot of time.. | 16:59 |
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| bergie | we could maybe add mod_gzip there to compress the data, though I'm not sure if the maemo browser supports that | 17:02 |
| glass_ | that would just help with bw, not latency | 17:04 |
| glass_ | having it do more fetches at once helps more on 3g.. plenty of bw, 200ms+ ping | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | Easiest thing to do is just join all css files and all js files :) 2 fetches instead of 11 wins a lot of time. | 17:07 |
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| bergie | easy to do, too | 17:12 |
| bergie | oh, it has been reverted to the old layout. the correct maemo.org layout doesn't have any JS | 17:12 |
| inz | yay for no javascript! | 17:15 |
| bergie | the JS is in the current layout anyway only for IE support | 17:22 |
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| ||cw | I have IT2006 install, and have for some times now. today I tried to install 3 packages and they all say they are incompatable. | 18:45 |
| ||cw | any idea what I missed? | 18:45 |
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| part | ||cw: are they _arm.deb instead of _armel.deb? If so, they are for it2005, and are indeed not compatible | 18:49 |
| ||cw | no, for instance http://mummola.cs.tut.fi/n770/files/busybox_1.01-4.osso10-ipv6.etc1_armel.deb | 18:49 |
| ||cw | and the openvpn client | 18:49 |
| ||cw | both off ApplicationCatalog2006 wiki page | 18:50 |
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| ||cw | grr, now I'm getting a network error on any downlaod | 18:55 |
| * sp3000 giggles at http://mummola.cs.tut.fi/n770/apt/luemut.txt | 18:56 | |
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| ||cw | forbidden? | 18:58 |
| part | I guess that's funny | 18:59 |
| tigert | hehe | 19:02 |
| tigert | "luemut" means "readme" | 19:02 |
| tigert | :) | 19:02 |
| tigert | "I would if..." :) | 19:03 |
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| part | ||cw: can you try installing with dpkg manually? (provided that you have root access) | 19:04 |
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| zuh | tigert: or readbut ;) | 20:54 |
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| vidar | . | 21:01 |
| vidar | oops. :) | 21:01 |
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| tigert | yeah :) | 21:09 |
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| ferenc | hi all | 21:37 |
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| ian_brasil | seems midgard was up there in the choice for the new www.gnome.org site rewrite | 21:41 |
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| Lateralus | Is there anything exposed via DBUS which will allow you to poll the status of iap connectivity? | 21:46 |
| Lateralus | The only thing related is the status_changed signal of com.nokia.icd, but I need something I can poll immediately | 21:47 |
| bergie | ian_brasil: yep. I blogged a bit about it in http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/gnome-org-will-run-plone.html | 21:50 |
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| ian_brasil | seems like a brazilian guys leading the rewrite as well | 21:59 |
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| ||cw | part: it did work from command line, odd | 22:11 |
| agnet | hi, is it possible to set a password on boot of my n770? | 22:12 |
| ||cw | agnet: not that I have noticed | 22:12 |
| Tak | could probably make an applet to do so | 22:12 |
| agnet | i hope to block it, something like grub's pwd | 22:13 |
| benzea | you can turn on "device lock" in the control panel | 22:17 |
| ||cw | agnet: you'd have to see if the nokia bootloader supports anything like that | 22:18 |
| ||cw | the bootloader isn't likely to support touchscreen input though, so you'd probably be locked into used some button combo, which doens't leave much and so it's probably simply not implemented | 22:19 |
| agnet | i'm looking for it ||cw.... benzea: so you can block only a session, i would like be sure that if i'll lost my n770 nobody can turn on it | 22:20 |
| ||cw | not sure if the boot loaders is open source either, though i haven't looked, seems like it wouldn't need to be | 22:20 |
| agnet | sorry for my english... | 22:20 |
| ||cw | i don't know of any handheld that supports that level of security | 22:20 |
| ||cw | lock on bootup would be about as good as i would expect | 22:21 |
| agnet | probably, the idea of an applet is right... | 22:21 |
| benzea | agnet, it'll ask on bootup then | 22:21 |
| ||cw | though, someone can always attach to usb and download the flash image and disect it, but the same is true of anything | 22:21 |
| agnet | sure | | 22:22 |
| agnet | but 80% of people don't know it | 22:23 |
| Lateralus | does osso_iap_get_statistics return anything useful I can use to determine if no iap is connected? | 22:23 |
| Lateralus | eg, will it return OSSO_IAP_ERROR if no connection is present? | 22:23 |
| inz | Lateralus, how about ICD_GET_STATE_REQ? | 22:40 |
| agnet | do you know if there's a deb package of xscreensaver?...i would like to try use it to block automatically my screen... | 22:40 |
| inz | agnet, what's wrong with device lock? | 22:41 |
| Lateralus | inz: I'm not seeing that anywhere, have a link? | 22:41 |
| agnet | if you lost your n770, everybody can turn it on | 22:42 |
| inz | Lateralus: /usr/include/osso-ic-dbus.h | 22:42 |
| inz | agnet, how does xscreensaver help there? | 22:42 |
| agnet | i can't stop it to boot | 22:42 |
| agnet | using an applet to startup xscreensaver | 22:42 |
| inz | agnet, well, if device lock autolock is enabled, the device cannot be used without the code or reflash. | 22:43 |
| inz | agnet, sure it can be powered up, but one cannot get any access to the device | 22:43 |
| agnet | but it's only later a 5 min | 22:43 |
| inz | No, immediately on boot | 22:43 |
| agnet | i wrong something... sorry | 22:44 |
| agnet | i've seen only to block it after five minutes | 22:44 |
| agnet | on the control panel | 22:44 |
| inz | Yeah, but it should ask for the code always on startup | 22:44 |
| inz | Whatever the setting is. | 22:45 |
| inz | Not sure though, you can try. | 22:45 |
| agnet | tell me, tnx | 22:45 |
| ||cw | wow, it does | 22:45 |
| inz | It should pretty well protect your private data at least | 22:46 |
| agnet | yes, it's true... thanks, sorry | 22:47 |
| inz | I guess there are ways to circumvent that, but at least it isn't too easy. | 22:47 |
| agnet | i've seen now | 22:47 |
| ||cw | i woulnd' | 22:48 |
| ||cw | t have that the=at it would either, good to know though | 22:48 |
| Lateralus | inz: is there any reason the get_state method is not documented in the connectivity howto/faq? | 22:48 |
| agnet | thanks a lot | 22:48 |
| inz | Lateralus, I don't know | 22:49 |
| Lateralus | inz: Thanks for your help | 22:49 |
| inz | Lateralus, I never use documentation, if .h is enough =) | 22:49 |
| agnet | see you... hi | 22:50 |
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| Lateralus | inz: at this point I have no idea what that method returns | 22:51 |
| inz | Lateralus, try dbus-send --print-reply, it's pretty handy | 22:51 |
| Lateralus | which is to say, I don't know what to pass to dbus_message_get_args | 22:51 |
| Lateralus | inz: ah | 22:51 |
| Lateralus | inz: I'll give that a shot, thanks | 22:52 |
| inz | IIRC it returns at least one UINT32, which is zero if there's no connection | 22:53 |
| inz | Not sure if you get some other info too, like connection name or something. | 22:53 |
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| Lateralus | inz: is this format correct; dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/icd com.nokia.icd.get_state | 22:56 |
| inz | Lateralus, you need at least --type=method_call | 22:57 |
| inz | Lateralus, and probably also --dest=com.nokia.icd | 22:57 |
| inz | I guess it should default to system bus, but if it doesn't, then also a --system | 22:58 |
| zuh | dbus-send defaults to session bus | 23:04 |
| zuh | At least in upstream (don't see why it should been changed for maemo) | 23:04 |
| inz | Ok, I usually just define the bus rather than trying to remember such details. =) | 23:06 |
| zuh | It's the usual principle of "user first" we all love and uphold ;) | 23:07 |
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| Lateralus | inz: The only response is a uint32, 0 or 1. | 23:15 |
| Lateralus | inz: thanks :) | 23:15 |
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