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| sardaukar | hello | 02:40 |
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| sardaukar | anyone willing to help out a n00b developer on his first port? | 02:41 |
| sardaukar | anyone...? :| | 02:44 |
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| madsy | sardaukar: In case you haven't noticed: 1.) The europeans are asleep 2.) Superbowl is on :-P | 02:49 |
| madsy | Good luck in finding anyone online now. | 02:49 |
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| sardaukar | I'm European, still up :D | 02:49 |
| sardaukar | but ok, guess I'll try some other time... | 02:49 |
| sardaukar | thanks! | 02:49 |
| madsy | Try in 10 hours or so. | 02:50 |
| madsy | Also, did you read the maemo wiki? That should give you the basics while you wait. | 02:50 |
| sardaukar | I don't think my question is *basic* | 02:51 |
| sardaukar | I have a compiled binary | 02:51 |
| sardaukar | my issues are with the touchscreen and PulseAudio buffering | 02:52 |
| sardaukar | ;| | 02:52 |
| madsy | Sorry. It was just a suggestion. | 02:52 |
| sardaukar | no prob | 02:52 |
| sardaukar | I will try tomorrow, then | 02:52 |
| sardaukar | thanks again | 02:52 |
| sardaukar | enjoy the game ;) | 02:52 |
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| achipa | I would need 2 testers to check on the PyQt package (nearing the 10 day quarantine period, and not enough votes to promote), any volunteers ? | 12:40 |
| achipa | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/python2.5-qt4-doc/4.7-maemo3 in case you change your minds :) | 12:50 |
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| ruskie | hmm bricked again... this system is way way to fragile | 12:51 |
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| woglinde | jo | 19:47 |
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| villager | hmm... I downloaded the Cortex-A8-optimized OpenMAX-DL sources from the ARM website... but the license looks slightly non-free, not sure, so not sure if I could use it in my program which I want to be open source... anyone else ever looked at that? | 20:20 |
| woglinde | hm???? | 20:22 |
| woglinde | what do you want to achieve? | 20:22 |
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| v13 | ehlo | 20:23 |
| v13 | can you give me any hint on how i can support portrait mode in pymaemo/pyqt4 ? | 20:23 |
| villager | woglinde: well, to use these Neon-optimized routines in my program, I suppose? | 20:24 |
| woglinde | v13 in the qt 4.6 maemo examples | 20:24 |
| v13 | I believe that i need to have MCE support in python which i couldn't find | 20:24 |
| villager | there's colorspace conversion and image scaling, etc | 20:24 |
| woglinde | villager dont want to use the dsp for it? | 20:24 |
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| v13 | woglinde: I only see C++ examples there. | 20:25 |
| v13 | here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Portrait_mode_and_listening_for_orientation_changes | 20:25 |
| villager | woglinde: not sure how I would use the dsp for simple image scaling or colorspace conversion... the openmax gstreamer stuff only does video codecs, none of that simple stuff | 20:25 |
| woglinde | v13 mom | 20:27 |
| v13 | woglinde: anyway, I'm OK with non-qt things too. Is it possible to do this from python in any way? | 20:27 |
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| v13 | i can mix qt and non-qt code | 20:27 |
| woglinde | v13 http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-rotation.html | 20:27 |
| v13 | that's C++ too and it requires MCE_SERVICE and MCE_* in general. I didn't find python MCE bindings | 20:28 |
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| woglinde | hm should qt abstract that? | 20:29 |
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| v13 | well.. in those examples, qt only abstracts dbus | 20:29 |
| woglinde | yeah adn pyqt4 is a wrapper for it? | 20:30 |
| v13 | Unless you mean this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Qt_Extra_Libraries | 20:30 |
| v13 | yes but it still needs MCE strings | 20:30 |
| woglinde | ah right | 20:30 |
| woglinde | sorry | 20:30 |
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| v13 | np :) | 20:31 |
| villager | woglinde: I kinda suspect that for simple stuff like image scaling, using the dsp, even if it was possible, may not be much less overhead than just using neon routines on the cpu | 20:31 |
| v13 | thanks anyway | 20:32 |
| v13 | got something. FYI: http://repo.or.cz/w/gpodder.git?a=blob;f=src/gpodder/gtkui/frmntl/portrait.py | 20:33 |
| woglinde | v13 *g* seems easy | 20:35 |
| v13 | it's GPLed :-) I'll use it almost as-is :) | 20:35 |
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| woglinde | villager hm seems your costumers will not like the closed openmax stuff | 20:45 |
| villager | eventually I still probably would try the available methods and benchmark them against each other | 20:45 |
| villager | the ffmpeg image scaler doesn't have neon optimization, and the gstreamer one doesn't I think (plus I'd have to make a pipeline to use it), trying to find the fastest way to do it | 20:47 |
| villager | (without resorting to neon asm myself, since I'd probably do a worse job at it than anything that might already exist) | 20:48 |
| woglinde | villager hm | 20:49 |
| woglinde | http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/0aa3a4ebe77ee2a6 | 20:49 |
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| v13 | another q: Is it OK to use both hildon and Qt4 in pymaemo? I get core dumps. | 20:52 |
| woglinde | hm | 20:53 |
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| woglinde | sorry | 20:53 |
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| villager | woglinde: do you then happen to know if I could feasibly use the dsp to scale images (preferably in a way that avoids having the transfer to/from the dsp be slower than just doing it on the cpu) | 20:59 |
| woglinde | villager hm yeah thats a point | 21:00 |
| woglinde | hm cant you handoptimise the arm as code yourself= | 21:00 |
| villager | I'm a noob when it comes to arm asm | 21:00 |
| woglinde | that would be probably the best soltuion but the hardest | 21:01 |
| woglinde | hm yeah its not only arm its the simdi instructions too | 21:01 |
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| villager | perhaps I should learn it I guess, but will take some time | 21:07 |
| woglinde | good bye | 21:09 |
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| simoneb_ | is it possible to draw a half-transparent GtkLabel? or do I have to use cairo? | 21:17 |
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| v13 | new app: http://imagebin.ca/view/Ym-9m7_I.html | 22:03 |
| v13 | :) | 22:03 |
| v13 | i'll package it soon | 22:03 |
| v13 | too bad i failed with portrait mode :) | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | v13: I assume that's just a single measurement of signal strenthg and freq - not an actual scanner? | 22:06 |
| v13 | ? | 22:06 |
| jebba | wow, that's really cool | 22:06 |
| v13 | it's whatever iwlist reports (pywifi to be precise) | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - can I point you to the recieved power indicator on the FMTX - which has no display ATM | 22:07 |
| v13 | xm.. how can i do that ? | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 22:07 |
| v13 | ah.. you mean about the radio signal | 22:07 |
| v13 | the wifi info is from standard linux tools. | 22:08 |
| v13 | jebba: thnx :) | 22:08 |
| v13 | it's suppopsed to be similar to: http://www.androlib.com/android.screenshot.app.jFCm-nzq.aspx | 22:08 |
| v13 | (which I really liked when I show it on another phone :-) | 22:08 |
| v13 | indeed qt is much better that gtk | 22:09 |
| v13 | much*much better | 22:10 |
| v13 | Q: I see that most apps for maemo have really cool icons. | 22:10 |
| v13 | Is there someone that helps with icons? | 22:11 |
| simoneb_ | why is 14 so far away from 13? | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | simoneb_: Only seems that way when you're growing up. | 22:18 |
| simoneb_ | my wifi should be in the gamma spectrum by now | 22:19 |
| v13 | simoneb_ afaik chan 14 is only available in china or sthing like that | 22:21 |
| v13 | and it uses a frequency with a distance more that 5MHz that other channels have | 22:21 |
| v13 | see the wikipedia article for 802.11 channels | 22:22 |
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| simoneb_ | looks like it's used in japan for 802.11b | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be so much nicer if 802.11* would actually just use a b-sized channel with better modulation if it diddn't need the bandwidth. | 22:26 |
| v13 | Afaik all channels have the same width on all of 802.11a/b/g | 22:29 |
| v13 | no ? | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | b is narrower by a lot | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | g is 5 b | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | and n is 10? | 22:30 |
| v13 | aren't all 22MHz for a/b/g? | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Not as I understand it. | 22:30 |
| v13 | how much is it for b ? | 22:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ok - wrong | 22:32 |
| v13 | k. I've another q: how am i supposed to compile python scripts when packaging them ? | 22:32 |
| v13 | or should I give 666 permissions to /opt/xxx/yyy/zzz dir that holds them ? | 22:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11 | 22:33 |
| v13 | in order to upload to extras-devel I need to have a garage project ? | 22:36 |
| * v13 hates it when he asks first and the searches google | 22:37 | |
| woglinde | v13 nope | 22:37 |
| woglinde | inly account | 22:37 |
| woglinde | args only account | 22:37 |
| v13 | Gotit: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 22:37 |
| v13 | OK... I need an invitation | 22:38 |
| woglinde | v13 the python debhelper are dealing with the compiling | 22:38 |
| v13 | yes but no debian packaging tools are available for maemo (no?) | 22:38 |
| v13 | I develop that inside the phone and I used python-pypackager | 22:38 |
| woglinde | ??????? | 22:39 |
| woglinde | in scratchbox there is debhelper 5.0 | 22:39 |
| v13 | xm.. | 22:39 |
| v13 | perhaps it's in extras-devel | 22:39 |
| v13 | I'll look at that | 22:39 |
| v13 | do anyone of you want to test the program? I've an optified .deb that works (but without .py compilation, so it is slower to start). | 22:40 |
| v13 | it's really simple program. | 22:40 |
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| v13 | I guess not.. | 22:41 |
| v13 | Anyway, it is here: http://aetos.it.teithe.gr/~v13/maemo/wifieye_0.1.0-1_all.deb | 22:42 |
| v13 | it needs python-wifi (available in extras or extras-testing) | 22:42 |
| woglinde | lol | 22:44 |
| woglinde | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 22:44 |
| v13 | ? | 22:44 |
| woglinde | I am the python-wifi maintainer | 22:44 |
| v13 | :))))) | 22:44 |
| v13 | good work :) | 22:44 |
| woglinde | hm right | 22:45 |
| woglinde | but my intenion was to get it into debian | 22:45 |
| woglinde | and I am still working on itr | 22:45 |
| woglinde | args it | 22:45 |
| v13 | what's the problem ? | 22:45 |
| woglinde | getting all the license stuff right | 22:46 |
| v13 | why is it complex ? | 22:46 |
| woglinde | my sponsor is really hard in this area | 22:46 |
| woglinde | yes wasnt clear which license the pic's had | 22:46 |
| v13 | all of them are. especially with licensing issued | 22:46 |
| v13 | pic's as pictures or position independent code? | 22:47 |
| woglinde | the logos ;) | 22:47 |
| v13 | wtf.. what logos to python-wifi has? | 22:47 |
| v13 | s/to/do | 22:47 |
| woglinde | some the now upstream maintainer has made | 22:48 |
| v13 | are they required ? | 22:48 |
| woglinde | you are putting the original source code into the debian-repos | 22:49 |
| v13 | hm... | 22:49 |
| woglinde | so it has to be clear which license the stuff has | 22:49 |
| v13 | you can always create a stripped version and put that one | 22:49 |
| woglinde | and if it has to go into contrib or non-free | 22:49 |
| woglinde | not really | 22:50 |
| v13 | yes since you'll just use the opensourced parts | 22:50 |
| v13 | I guess you'll have to "create" a non-debian project that is called python-wifi-free and copy there all the free stuff from python-wifi. Than package that one :-) | 22:51 |
| v13 | s/Than/Then | 22:51 |
| woglinde | no I dont | 22:51 |
| woglinde | all pics are cc-by 3.0 | 22:51 |
| woglinde | thats fine for debian main | 22:51 |
| v13 | then what's the problem ? | 22:52 |
| woglinde | it wasnt clear in the beginning which license they have | 22:52 |
| woglinde | they only had cc | 22:52 |
| v13 | oh... so you managed it | 22:52 |
| woglinde | yes | 22:53 |
| v13 | good :) | 22:53 |
| woglinde | I need to find the time to look at it again | 22:53 |
| woglinde | and than ask my sponsor to upload it | 22:53 |
| v13 | since you have a sponsor, it'll be easy | 22:54 |
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| v13 | bb. don't forget to test wifieye :-) | 23:18 |
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| frals | anyone know of a dbus call to launch sms conversation with a contact? (preferably by number) | 23:33 |
| ruskie | note to anyone doing reparatitioning or offloading /usr... preinit relies on things in /usr | 23:34 |
| VDVsx | frals, is that possible ? :D | 23:37 |
| VDVsx | here's the list of the known ones so far: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 23:37 |
| frals | VDVsx: i hope so :) | 23:37 |
| VDVsx | send a sms should be possible, but launch the sms conversation from d-bus I doubt a bit | 23:38 |
| VDVsx | just guessing | 23:38 |
| frals | after snooping the session bus theres a lot of stuff going on, but most of it is weird telepathy connections stuff (i think) | 23:41 |
| frals | would be nice to see how its done from the contactbook :P | 23:41 |
| VDVsx | kidnap a telepathy dev ? :D | 23:44 |
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| simoneb_ | I need an advice. I've nearly finished my application, it's a desktop widget that shows a note. The note is stored in a text file and I want to launch an external editor (leafpad, vim, whatever) to edit it. Should I rely on the default editor for that mime type? | 23:52 |
| frals | VDVsx: yeah, or a contactbooks dev.. :-) | 23:53 |
| simoneb_ | what if the default editor for text/plain mime type is not an editor (e.g. the browser) or just sucks for this purpose (does not automatically save on exit for instance)? can I force a different mime type? | 23:54 |
| VDVsx | simoneb_, do your one editor :D | 23:56 |
| VDVsx | simoneb_, GTK+ or Qt ? | 23:56 |
| simoneb_ | VDVsx: too much of a worry and not really a gain... GTK | 23:57 |
| * VDVsx checks something | 23:57 | |
| simoneb_ | totally ripped off from the most similar desktop widget i could find. I still don't know a single thing about gtk. | 23:59 |
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