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| goodwill | pardon me ... has anyone managed to install scratchbox on gentoo? | 10:03 |
| goodwill | so far mine is erroring out | 10:03 |
| goodwill | seems to be a path issue | 10:05 |
| goodwill | I thought I located all the paths in install script | 10:05 |
| goodwill | E: Give installation path using '-s PATH' argument. | 10:05 |
| goodwill | hmm | 10:05 |
| goodwill | ah ... past that hurdle | 10:09 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 13:14 |
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| ruskie | mmm finally can make any app still have sound when in silent | 15:41 |
| Miniscalope | ;) | 15:53 |
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| swc|666 | in trying to follow this guide, has anyone been able to mount the rootfs.jffs2 image ? | 17:12 |
| swc|666 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image | 17:12 |
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| fay | hey everyone | 17:27 |
| fay | maybe anyone is up to making a side scrolling game? | 17:36 |
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| ruskie | swc|666, for the n900? | 18:09 |
| ruskie | wee finally got rid of mediaplayer | 18:09 |
| ruskie | xmms2 for audio and mplayer for video is all I really need :) | 18:10 |
| ruskie | and djmount to have upnp shares accessible | 18:10 |
| swc|666 | ruskie, yea | 18:18 |
| ruskie | swc|666, the root fs is UBIFS | 18:19 |
| ruskie | not jffs2 | 18:19 |
| swc|666 | aha.. so the rootfs.jffs2 is misleading then? | 18:19 |
| ruskie | possibly | 18:19 |
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| go1dfish | ruskie: you removed mediaplayer? | 18:56 |
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| go1dfish | just an fyi, if you're playing videos through mplayer (or anything else that doesn't go through gstreamer) the onboard DSP will not be used | 18:57 |
| go1dfish | i.e. you'll get much better battery life, and performance in mediaplayer for codecs that are decoded on the DSP | 18:58 |
| go1dfish | than you would playing the same codecs in mplayer | 18:58 |
| ruskie | go1dfish, naturally | 18:58 |
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| ruskie | as for watching vids on it... | 18:59 |
| ruskie | not really gonna happen much | 18:59 |
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| ruskie | maybe an occasional youtube run with mytube | 18:59 |
| ruskie | but beyond that | 18:59 |
| go1dfish | cool, just wanted to make sure | 18:59 |
| ruskie | hell probably won't even do much music listening | 18:59 |
| go1dfish | not many people realize the dsp only works through gstreamer, or that it's even present heh | 19:00 |
| ruskie | frankly I dislike gst | 19:00 |
| go1dfish | I don't like it much either... | 19:00 |
| goodwill | stupid question ... I installed scratchbox ... but it does not seem to have any emulation for cellular, battery, volume, inet and bluetooth ... is that correct? | 19:00 |
| ruskie | not to mention the mediaplayer sucks at playing so many things | 19:00 |
| go1dfish | but most concerns I have (cpu usage, crapy codec implementation etc....) fall away when it's driving a dsp | 19:00 |
| ruskie | go1dfish, correct | 19:00 |
| ruskie | erm goodwill even | 19:00 |
| ruskie | go1dfish, I thought the dsp wasn't much used overall | 19:01 |
| goodwill | ruskie: even? | 19:01 |
| go1dfish | ruskie: it get | 19:01 |
| go1dfish | err | 19:01 |
| go1dfish | it get's used for h264 I know, on both encoding and decoding | 19:01 |
| go1dfish | encoding for the video recorder that is | 19:01 |
| ruskie | so something I generally don't have all that much off | 19:01 |
| go1dfish | I'd like to figure out how to use it for my own transcodes through gstreamer, that could be useful | 19:01 |
| go1dfish | also gets used for Xvid iirc | 19:02 |
| woglinde | http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ | 19:02 |
| ruskie | I'd rather see the hooks for the decoding on the DSP in the libs directly | 19:04 |
| go1dfish | as far as I'm aware, they aren't | 19:04 |
| go1dfish | I think they were worried about conflicts from multiple apps trying to use the dsp at once | 19:05 |
| go1dfish | and so use gstreamer to mediate | 19:05 |
| ruskie | they seem to be worried about a ton of issues... mostly for $dumb_user types | 19:06 |
| ruskie | yet the device as is I would never recommend to a $dumb_user type | 19:07 |
| ruskie | way way to many issues for something like that | 19:07 |
| ruskie | hell even the mail client lacks basic functionality for imap | 19:08 |
| ruskie | the orinigal and the latest home built version | 19:08 |
| ruskie | and by basic I mean list all the folders, support subscribing to folders, support imap idle for notifications | 19:09 |
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| goodwill | ruskie: what does "even" mean in response to my question? | 19:14 |
| ruskie | goodwill, read one line above it | 19:14 |
| ruskie | and you'll understand | 19:14 |
| goodwill | ok | 19:14 |
| goodwill | thank you | 19:15 |
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| goodwill | so given a choice between gtk+ and qt ... its probably best to use qt given that is where maemo is moving toward? | 20:29 |
| ruskie | I would assume both will continue to be in use | 20:30 |
| goodwill | scratchbox seems to be pretty out of date | 20:32 |
| ruskie | how so? | 20:32 |
| ruskie | should be the same versions as on the device | 20:33 |
| goodwill | default python on scratchbox is 2.3 | 20:33 |
| goodwill | my n900 has 2.5 | 20:33 |
| ruskie | you have 2.3 2.4 and 2.5 in scratchbox | 20:34 |
| goodwill | I guess I expected scratchbox to be the same as the latest stable n900 setup from the beginning | 20:34 |
| ruskie | you are aware you can set the python version in the debs iirc | 20:35 |
| goodwill | yeah | 20:35 |
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| goodwill | oh I see ... the default python in scratchbox is not in /usr/bin its /scratchbox/tools/bin/python | 20:44 |
| * goodwill wonders if there is a stable pyqt4 right now he can look at | 20:51 | |
| go1dfish | goodwill: is there a reason you're trying to get pyqt4 going instead of pyside? | 20:54 |
| goodwill | go1dfish: I never heard about pyside till you just said it | 20:54 |
| goodwill | I am about 2 hours in trying to develop on maemo | 20:54 |
| goodwill | total n00b | 20:54 |
| go1dfish | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37089 | 20:54 |
| go1dfish | that's a python app I wrote last year in pyqt4 | 20:55 |
| go1dfish | ported to pyside/maemo in a day or two | 20:55 |
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| go1dfish | pyside is api compatibile with pyqt4, pyside is nokia's python bindings for qt4 (they did their own because they wanted to have it available under more liberal licensing) | 20:55 |
| goodwill | I thought pymaemo uses pyqt4 | 20:55 |
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| goodwill | and that those were the official bindings | 20:55 |
| go1dfish | iirc pymaemo is gtk+ | 20:55 |
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| goodwill | hmm | 20:56 |
| go1dfish | python qt development for maemo is still in it's infancy | 20:56 |
| go1dfish | the pyside dependencies aren't in the safer repos yet iirc | 20:56 |
| goodwill | right | 20:56 |
| goodwill | well from what I've been reading QT4 is whats officially supported for maemo (plus it looks nicer) | 20:57 |
| go1dfish | I haven't messed with pymaemo at all | 20:57 |
| goodwill | so I figured pyqt4 is a way to go | 20:57 |
| go1dfish | Maemo5 is based on GTK+, Nokia is encouraging QT4 for new development | 20:57 |
| go1dfish | Maemo6 will be based on QT4.6, but will still support GTK+ | 20:57 |
| goodwill | I am googling now on this, but maybe you have the answer already | 20:58 |
| goodwill | whats the diff between pyside and pyqt | 20:58 |
| go1dfish | pyside is lgpl'd | 20:59 |
| go1dfish | and given that nokia has bought trolltech (i.e. are now the primary maintainers of qt) I'd trust them more than riverbank to get things working well in a timely fashioned | 21:00 |
| go1dfish | http://dot.kde.org/2009/08/18/pyside-brings-lgpl-qt-python | 21:00 |
| go1dfish | Other than that at the moment, the main difference is instead of... | 21:00 |
| go1dfish | from PyQt4 import.... | 21:00 |
| go1dfish | you do: from PySide import.... | 21:00 |
| go1dfish | there are plans to create a more 'pythonic' interface in pyside to, rather than just a straight wrapper around the C++ | 21:01 |
| go1dfish | if you're targetting maemo, I don't see any reason to prefer PyQt4 over PySide, PySide is much more likely to be easily available on the platform, espescially in the future | 21:02 |
| go1dfish | it's quite possible to support both bindings in the same app though, with conditional imports | 21:02 |
| goodwill | thank you | 21:04 |
| go1dfish | http://www.pyside.org/about/ good overview here | 21:04 |
| goodwill | I see its in extras-devel | 21:05 |
| go1dfish | yeah, thats why I haven't bothered packaging pyfret yet | 21:05 |
| goodwill | yeah, that would seem premature | 21:07 |
| goodwill | pyqt is not installed on the maemo5? doing import PyQT4 does nothing | 21:08 |
| go1dfish | no, it isnt, I don't think pyqt has been packaged at all for maemo5 | 21:09 |
| go1dfish | just pyside | 21:09 |
| go1dfish | python isn't installed by default on maemo5 either btw | 21:09 |
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| goodwill | yeah it is | 21:09 |
| go1dfish | or QT4 in general | 21:09 |
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| goodwill | at least on my n900 it came by default | 21:09 |
| go1dfish | QT4 gets pulled in the first time you install something with a dependency | 21:10 |
| goodwill | I think | 21:10 |
| go1dfish | pretty sure python is the same way, but not as sure as I am about the qt bindings | 21:10 |
| goodwill | it might have got pulled in when I installed some app | 21:10 |
| go1dfish | I know for a fact the qt bindings arent on maemo5 by default | 21:10 |
| goodwill | I meant python itself | 21:10 |
| go1dfish | and m 90% positive python isn't either but not positive | 21:10 |
| goodwill | its definately on the device | 21:10 |
| go1dfish | I think it likely got pulled in by a dependency | 21:10 |
| goodwill | yeah ... | 21:11 |
| go1dfish | cause I've seen at least one guy on talk.maemo.org trying to avoid python like the plague for some reason | 21:11 |
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| ruskie | go1dfish, you have a lot of faith in Nokia | 21:12 |
| ruskie | I don't... considering that there was a "Fixed in Harmatan" before the N900 was even out | 21:12 |
| go1dfish | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=439563&postcount=9 | 21:12 |
| go1dfish | ruskie: not always, and I might have rose colored glasses because most of my interactions have been with the engineers | 21:13 |
| go1dfish | I have much faith in their engineers, the suits not so much | 21:13 |
| go1dfish | and in this instance, I'd say it's more that riverbank never felt particularly necessary to me | 21:13 |
| go1dfish | I mean, charging for bindings for an open source library, to use in a open source language, wtf | 21:14 |
| go1dfish | please die in a fire | 21:14 |
| go1dfish | riverbank that is, not you ruskie | 21:14 |
| ruskie | ??? | 21:16 |
| go1dfish | the "Fixed in Harmatan" crap bugs me to, espescially given the silence on whether or not the n900 will run it | 21:17 |
| goodwill | go1dfish: you were right ... python is part of extras (and of sdk) but not official repos | 21:18 |
| go1dfish | goodwill: cool | 21:19 |
| goodwill | go1dfish: so pyside is in extra-devel ... and the packages are only for i386 .. | 21:28 |
| goodwill | go1dfish: have you heard anything on pyside going stable? | 21:31 |
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| go1dfish | goodwill: nope | 21:52 |
| go1dfish | I installed pyside directly on my device, not sure what repo though | 21:52 |
| go1dfish | I installed through apt-get, this was a couple of weeks back however | 21:53 |
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| Miniscalope | goodwill are you a maemo guru? | 22:02 |
| goodwill | Miniscalope: no | 22:03 |
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| Miniscalope | i need some help from someone who know well the system | 22:04 |
| Miniscalope | anyone know how apps are launched in maemo and how i can handle that lauching? | 22:07 |
| Miniscalope | there is some stuff in hildondesktop launcher.c ... | 22:07 |
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| an0nym1te | Hi, probably a n00b question, but I am having some problems with internet connectivity from applications such as fenec and the application manger from within the Virtual Image SDK. I have the scratchbox environment resolving DNS and have fixed the nokia apt proxy,, so I can apt-get from the scratchbox console, but if I wish to test connectivity (before starting to code...) from one of the maemo applications I receive connection errors | 22:21 |
| an0nym1te | I can't find anyhting on this in the wiki's dev guides | 22:22 |
| an0nym1te | Any help/guidance/pointing to the obvious web page (that I can't find) would be appreciated | 22:23 |
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