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kulve | ruskie: I would guess the pulseaudio does some checks (or actions) related to that | 07:14 |
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ruskie | kulve, hmm I would assume it would have a defined pulse sink to do so... not be overly smart about it... I guess I was wrong :( | 08:26 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: if this device had a suspend I had a story to explain this. | 09:04 |
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ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, but? | 09:26 |
DocScrutinizer51 | all maemo devices never do suspend by default | 09:27 |
DocScrutinizer51 | so all cronjobs should run jst in time | 09:27 |
ruskie | I need to get a syslog on it | 09:28 |
ruskie | atleast I'd be able to see what went wrong then | 09:28 |
ruskie | might be something stupid like an absent dir or wrong perms someplace... | 09:28 |
ruskie | and it is odd that it sometimes works sometimes doesn't | 09:29 |
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* ruskie wishes maemo would be a more normal linux distro | 09:31 | |
Stskeeps | mer | 09:31 |
Stskeeps | :P | 09:31 |
Stskeeps | brb | 09:31 |
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ruskie | Stskeeps, as soon as it supports all the functionality in a similar way sure | 09:38 |
ruskie | hmm after a restart of fcron and editing an entry it seems to work again | 09:39 |
ruskie | will need to wait till 1500 to see if it actually does | 09:39 |
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ruskie | hmm even with not having modest be always loaded if I open it once it'll stay in the process list even after I close it... annoying | 10:44 |
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hrw | morning | 12:46 |
BabelO_ | morning | 12:56 |
ruskie | lo | 13:04 |
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jebba900 | heya. How long after i upload a package is it ready to be used by the builder for other packages. I uploaded a dep of a package and it went fine, but i still cant build the main package because the builder is saying the dep isnt there. good morning :) | 14:29 |
woglinde | jebba900 there is something broken | 14:29 |
woglinde | packages from fremantle builder arent copied to the repos | 14:29 |
BabelO_ | jebba, same for me | 14:49 |
VDVsx | please contact X-fade at #maemo ^ | 14:56 |
VDVsx | please note that it takes some time to the packages appear in the repos, + 2h | 14:56 |
woglinde | VDVsx hm x-fade istn answering | 14:57 |
woglinde | def is waiting for two days | 14:57 |
VDVsx | oh | 14:57 |
woglinde | but this can intefere with he downtime | 14:57 |
woglinde | args derf | 14:57 |
VDVsx | I think he's at the mothership this weekend, so perhaps he's only available later | 14:58 |
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jebba | VDVsx: ya, this has been hours+ already. The builds themselves built in a reasonable amount of time though, which was nice. | 15:12 |
jebba | about 6.5 hours fwiw | 15:13 |
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hrw | question: where I can find out which exactly GCC/Glibc/binutils combo is used for maemo5? | 16:23 |
hrw | here should it be asked rather then #maemo | 16:23 |
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woglinde | hrw should I paste it? | 16:24 |
xorAxAx | hrw: by looking at the package versions? | 16:25 |
hrw | woglinde: yes, please | 16:25 |
hrw | xorAxAx: of ubuntu system used in sdk or maemo5sdk x86 rootfs or yet-another-source? | 16:25 |
woglinde | binutils 2.18.50.20070820-4+0m5 | 16:26 |
woglinde | gcc-4.2-base 4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5 The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) | 16:26 |
hrw | xorAxAx: it is scratchbox and I am not aware of how it works internally (except 'use lot of symlinks and fakes') | 16:26 |
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woglinde | libc6 2.5.1-1eglibc19+0m5 | 16:26 |
hrw | woglinde: that part I have too... but is it CSL toolchain or normal is missing from it | 16:26 |
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woglinde | csl I think | 16:28 |
hrw | woglinde: csl2007q3 | 16:31 |
woglinde | hrw jupp | 16:31 |
woglinde | sdk+ shows it | 16:31 |
hrw | we have this gcc in OE | 16:33 |
hrw | goood | 16:33 |
woglinde | hm are you doing rkriti works? | 16:34 |
hrw | woglinde: I have no idea how far rkriti is | 16:34 |
hrw | woglinde: have any status info? | 16:35 |
woglinde | hrw sorry | 16:35 |
hrw | I would like to be able to build some updates before nokia release firmware | 16:35 |
woglinde | he didnt say much as I asked last week | 16:35 |
hrw | but anyway - I am sending my n900 back to DDP tomorrow | 16:36 |
woglinde | jupp saw the pixel errors | 16:37 |
hrw | hope that they will send me new/repair in less then 4 weeks | 16:39 |
hrw | woglinde: I just wonder how will it work when some packages will be from nokia/maemo and system components will get built with OE | 16:42 |
hrw | maemo.gitorius shows changes in many components and nokia do release just from time to time (when 'from time to time' is quite long) | 16:43 |
woglinde | hrw you have to replace some stuff with freesoftware | 16:43 |
hrw | woglinde: most of system on maemo5 is already FS | 16:43 |
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Insyte | I'm going to be dipping my toe into Maemo 5 development with a simple Python app. Does it make more sense to use GTK or should I go with QT as that is the future of the platform? | 18:57 |
Insyte | My research has also left me unclear as to the current status of Hildon on QT... | 18:57 |
Stskeeps | up to you.. pyside exists for qt | 19:11 |
woglinde | or pyqt | 19:12 |
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Insyte | PyGTK makes it pretty straightforward to follow the Hildon interface guidelines. Is that the case with PySide/PyQT? | 19:31 |
jebba | pyside is developed (primarily?) by nokia, so i'm guessing that would be a very good route to go for n900/maemo apps. | 19:47 |
woglinde | pyside is to buggy at the moment | 19:49 |
VDVsx | I'm not sure if pyside has already the maemo5 changes | 19:52 |
VDVsx | even Qt 4.6 doesn't have all widgets/styles available in maemo5 | 19:52 |
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Insyte | That's disappointing. | 20:40 |
VDVsx | Insyte, note that I'm not sure about that, better ask in the pyside ML or maybe at #qt-maemo | 20:43 |
Insyte | VDVsx: I'll try that. The information available online is confusing and contradictory. | 20:44 |
Insyte | Thanks. | 20:44 |
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BabelO | evening | 21:42 |
ruskie | how's it going | 21:42 |
BabelO | ruskie: still fighting with the gdal build | 21:43 |
BabelO | this evening i ve time | 21:43 |
BabelO | and i m playing with my FM RDS application | 21:43 |
BabelO | i ve to ask fora garage for it | 21:44 |
BabelO | looking for a good name :) | 21:44 |
ruskie | hmm who was playing with the kernel around here? | 21:44 |
jebba | uh, so i added an icon to my package in debian/foo-48x48.png But when I dpkg-buildpackage -S it doesnt get included. Where do I list this file so it makes it into the source for distribution? sry for noobing | 21:45 |
jebba | ruskie: i was | 21:45 |
jebba | the kernel and icons hahaah | 21:45 |
ruskie | lol | 21:45 |
jebba | Source3: foo.png in foo.spec in fedora... | 21:45 |
ruskie | I'm looking for an iptables package and iptables kernel modules | 21:45 |
ruskie | specifically nat related | 21:45 |
jebba | just havent fully wrapped my head around .deb packaging yet. | 21:45 |
jebba | ruskie: ya, those don't work with existing kernel unfortunately. Rambo was saying some parts were stripped out of the binary so you can't just plonk in nat.ko or whatever. Needs a whole kernel rebuild. | 21:46 |
ruskie | erm... | 21:46 |
ruskie | that sucks | 21:46 |
jebba | ya. | 21:47 |
ruskie | how the f... can one setup a decent openvpn setup without that | 21:47 |
jebba | one does their own kernel i guess... | 21:47 |
jebba | i could build a kernel with NAT easily enough. I just want to get this stupid fucking icon in burgerspace first ahahah | 21:48 |
ruskie | hmm should look at a bridging config | 21:48 |
jebba | i mean, i could just do a new tarball, but that seems less than ideal too, cuz i would thing .orig.tar.gz should be pristine upstream. | 21:48 |
jebba | if you toss me a .config i can build it for you. | 21:49 |
ruskie | I'll try to solve it without first | 21:49 |
jebba | ok | 21:49 |
ruskie | would like to avoid reflashing | 21:49 |
jebba | i guess i gotta rtfm a bit more | 21:50 |
BabelO | about kernel, i m curious why CONFIG_NOHZ is not enabled | 21:52 |
BabelO | I ve used powertop to check some settings | 21:52 |
BabelO | and removed widget from desktop :) | 21:52 |
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jebba | BabelO: I see "CONFIG_NO_HZ=y" | 21:53 |
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woglinde | jebba does it work? | 21:54 |
ruskie | hmm I'll try it with tinc first | 21:54 |
jebba | woglinde: i havent tried anything with NO_HZ, i just see that from the .config | 21:55 |
jebba | woglinde: oh, you referring to NX? I didnt get that going. | 21:55 |
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woglinde | jebba nx I meant | 21:56 |
woglinde | hm tomorrow I will have acess to a n900 | 21:56 |
jebba | qtnx and all that launches--presumably it works, but user fail there. I read some NX fedora docs, but they didn't conform with what i saw on n900 (seemed more antiquated talking about nomachines version= | 21:56 |
woglinde | jebba hm yes I uses the latest nx library version | 21:58 |
ruskie | hmm something odd with the repos | 22:00 |
ruskie | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/l/lzo2/liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb Size mismatch | 22:00 |
jebba | woglinde: is nx on n900 just client, not server? | 22:00 |
ruskie | and | 22:00 |
ruskie | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org> | 22:00 |
jebba | hmm | 22:00 |
woglinde | jebba only client | 22:01 |
woglinde | libnx and nxproxy and nxssh | 22:01 |
jebba | "A note on icons: there’s no problem in adding a new .xpm icon file, as it is just a text format. Debian packaging system does not support adding new binary files, such as .bmp, .png or .ico for example. If you needed to do so, you’d have to use “uuencode” and “uudecode” accordingly." ah, no wonder why. sheez. W.t.f. ? | 22:01 |
woglinde | args libnxcomp | 22:01 |
woglinde | libnxcl and qtnx are only for setting the parameters | 22:01 |
jebba | how can a packaging system not support adding icons? that's ridiculous. Does one really have to re-tar the thing? that seems crufty crufty. hmm. | 22:03 |
ruskie | erm | 22:03 |
ruskie | icons aren't a top important bit | 22:03 |
jebba | well, if you dont want it to look liek shit, they're important. | 22:04 |
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jebba | uuencode. I feel like i'm using nntp again or something ahaha | 22:05 |
woglinde | jebba remove original tar file | 22:05 |
woglinde | then run buildpackage -S | 22:06 |
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jebba | woglinde: then .orig.tar.gz won't match upstream, right? just to clarify. | 22:07 |
woglinde | hm? | 22:07 |
woglinde | are you using svn/git-buildpackage? | 22:07 |
jebba | no, just dpkg-buildpackage that comes with SDK | 22:08 |
woglinde | do you need stuff upstream? | 22:10 |
woglinde | I dont see a problem if you put a new icon in and make this clear via changelog | 22:11 |
jebba | woglinde: ya, ok, so that "works" but by modifying the .orig.tar.gz to include the debian/ dir. Which is fine wrt building, but then the .orig.tar.gz doesn't match upstream. Perhaps that is the correct way to do it, i don't really know. I just assumed people would want to sha1sum .orig.tar.gz and such to make sure it is same as upstream or whatever. But if that's the way it's done, that's how i'll do it ;9 | 22:11 |
woglinde | jebba hm I dont see another why | 22:11 |
woglinde | args way | 22:12 |
woglinde | dont know if quilt can patch binary | 22:12 |
woglinde | that would be another option | 22:12 |
jebba | ya, i didnt either other than uuencode which to me is comical and tempting. Seems very odd shortcoming. I suppose cuz it's all diff based. | 22:12 |
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VDVsx | jebba, in case you didn't check the specs about the icons yet | 22:13 |
jebba | si? | 22:13 |
VDVsx | 48x48 for the app menu and 64x64 for the desktop shortcuts | 22:13 |
VDVsx | just FYI :) | 22:14 |
jebba | VDVsx: cool thx. :) you got a hint on the best way to get an additional icon in there? just re-tar or uuencode or some other optoin? | 22:14 |
jebba | my icons look cute when i build 'em, but the builder barfed on them because they didn't make it in the upload. | 22:15 |
VDVsx | additional icon ? | 22:16 |
VDVsx | resized the icons first and they will look fine | 22:16 |
woglinde | VDVsx add icon | 22:17 |
woglinde | jebba try if it works with quilt | 22:17 |
woglinde | jebba if you need help to get debian package runnin with quilt ask me | 22:17 |
BabelO | anybody master with bash shell ? to convert Hex to ascii in one line ? | 22:17 |
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woglinde | BabelO why bash? | 22:17 |
VDVsx | dinner time, bbl | 22:18 |
woglinde | these day you should work shell idependent | 22:18 |
jebba | VDVsx: well, it comes with like a 32x32 icon. So i just gimp'd them and made the additional sizes and plonked them into debian/ like an ignorant noob. But they didn't get picked up. So you're saying i should resize them in rule or what? | 22:18 |
BabelO | woglinde: rds output from N900 while listening to radio http://pastebin.ca/1714778 | 22:18 |
jebba | i'm just gonna tar the suckers up for now | 22:18 |
woglinde | jebba hm putting it in debian shouldnt be a problem | 22:19 |
jebba | woglinde: the dpkg-buildpackage -S ignores binaries | 22:19 |
BabelO | hmm pulseaudio on N900 using 31% of cpu | 22:19 |
woglinde | BabelO lol | 22:20 |
woglinde | we had this discussion the half day on #maemo | 22:20 |
VDVsx | jebba, you can put them where you want in your package, as long you have the correct rules to install them properly in the system | 22:20 |
jebba | woglinde: example: "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to debian/burgerspace-48x48.png: binary file contents changed" | 22:20 |
BabelO | woglinde: ok but cpu is running at 250 Mhz right now | 22:20 |
woglinde | jebba I said remove the old.tar.gz before | 22:20 |
VDVsx | true^ | 22:20 |
jebba | woglinde: yes, that is teh "retar" option. | 22:20 |
woglinde | aeh | 22:21 |
jebba | where .orig.tar.gz gets modified from upstream, which is one way to do it. | 22:21 |
woglinde | remove all tar.gz | 22:21 |
woglinde | *sigh* | 22:21 |
woglinde | then dpkg has nothing to compare against | 22:21 |
jebba | woglinde: I UNDERSTAND THAT. There are multiple ways to do that. I have done that already in one subdir. I am just looking at which is hte *best* way to do it. | 22:21 |
woglinde | no one will compare the .orig.tar.bla from debian or ubuntu against your in maemo | 22:22 |
woglinde | nor the debian patch | 22:22 |
jebba | ok, if that is debian practice i got no complaint. Just trying to find out which the practice was, and i came across the uuencode stuff heh. I will just re-tar the thing. done. | 22:23 |
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woglinde | yeah the result count | 22:23 |
woglinde | so do if it works | 22:23 |
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jebba | (which i think is kind of a shit way to do things--for example, that is how the kernel is done in maemo, which makes it hard to figure out WTF they have done, since it's not clear what the .orig.tar.gz really was) | 22:24 |
jebba | well, there's multiple ways to get the same result (e.g. uuencode or perhaps binary quilt like you mentioned) | 22:24 |
woglinde | jebba all in debian/ dont interfere with the orig.tar.gz | 22:27 |
woglinde | its diffrent if you change icons into src or somewhere | 22:27 |
jebba | md5sum foo-1.0.0.tar.gz foo-1.0.0.orig.tar.gz aren't equal, which apparently doesnt matter. done ;) | 22:28 |
jebba | i just assumed that's what .orig meant. | 22:28 |
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jebba | (where foo-1.0.0.tar.gz is what was from upstream) | 22:29 |
ruskie | I always assume that myself | 22:29 |
woglinde | jebba hm they arent the same because they got repacked I guess | 22:30 |
woglinde | or some debian/rules clean didnt work properly | 22:30 |
jebba | they arent the same because upstream wouldnt have a debian/ subdir at all. | 22:30 |
jebba | hence my reticence to repack the tarball. | 22:31 |
jebba | this way will "work" though, just seems very crufty to me. (e.g. you can't verify your tarballs) | 22:31 |
woglinde | ????? | 22:31 |
woglinde | all debian stuff is in the patch | 22:32 |
jebba | woglinde: you mean in the .diff? No it is not. Not the .pngs, which is the whole point. The .pngs DONT get added to the diff. | 22:32 |
woglinde | hm okay | 22:32 |
jebba | so by blowing out the .orig.tar.gz and rerunning buildpackage -S, you get a LARGER tarball since it has the new stuff in debian (well, for that matter *everything* in debian/ and no patches). | 22:33 |
jebba | which seems crufty to me. | 22:33 |
jebba | add a debian/foo.png to a package, run buildpackage -S on it and you'll see the foo.png did not make it into the diff (whereas foo.txt would) | 22:34 |
woglinde | yeah I understand it | 22:35 |
woglinde | now | 22:35 |
jebba | heh | 22:35 |
woglinde | but I wonder how to patch binaries than | 22:35 |
jebba | hahahah | 22:35 |
jebba | see above | 22:35 |
woglinde | uuencode | 22:35 |
jebba | uuencode baby! | 22:35 |
jebba | jinx | 22:35 |
jebba | or repack the tarball hehe. | 22:36 |
woglinde | ah right | 22:36 |
woglinde | deb format 3 will fixes it | 22:36 |
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woglinde | but that will not come with maemo5 | 22:36 |
woglinde | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/11/msg00003.html | 22:42 |
jebba | salient part for google: "debian/rules can be simplified by getting rid of the patching/unpatching code (or the uuencoding/uudecoding code if you ship a supplementary binary file like an icon) " | 22:46 |
jebba | woglinde: but we can start using quilt now, can't we? Seems like i've already stumbled across it somewhere in maemospace | 22:47 |
woglinde | jebba try it | 22:47 |
woglinde | dont jnow if debhelpers can handle it | 22:47 |
woglinde | args dont know | 22:47 |
woglinde | http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0#FAQ | 22:48 |
jebba | http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 | 22:48 |
jebba | heh | 22:48 |
jebba | you beat me | 22:49 |
woglinde | I will now look at the samples | 22:49 |
jebba | ah, multiple upstream tarballs. I need that for my asterisk packaging too | 22:49 |
jebba | (another package that works locally for me but barfs in builder) | 22:49 |
woglinde | hm try sbmock | 22:50 |
woglinde | pbuilder rocks | 22:50 |
woglinde | pbuilder with git-buildpackage | 22:51 |
jebba | you can set it up on flauta if you want. | 22:51 |
woglinde | dont know if it works with maemo | 22:52 |
jebba | i can add more space on that server if/when we need it too (just create more virtual disks). | 22:52 |
woglinde | thats the problem | 22:52 |
jebba | ah ok, ya, you try it hahaha | 22:52 |
woglinde | and sbmock hasnt the quality of pbuilder | 22:53 |
jebba | ok, that makes sense. asterisk was using quilt, that's where i came across it. I was like, ah nice, debian/patches/series etc. and just assumed that's how all packages were done. Now it's all coming clearer. Ya, quilt seems the way to go. | 22:54 |
BabelO | lol, there is some funny fremantle build actually, aircrack-ng and macchanger :) | 22:56 |
woglinde | babelO why lol? | 22:57 |
BabelO | woglinde: because i was recompiling it myself in the morning :) | 22:58 |
woglinde | aeh | 22:58 |
woglinde | lol okay | 22:58 |
BabelO | what do you think about RDS Broadcaster for the name of my app ? | 22:59 |
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jebba | BabelO: what's it do? | 23:02 |
jebba | RDS? | 23:02 |
BabelO | jebba: MP3 tags / incoming call / sms sent to FM RDS radio while you use N900 as transmitter so you see information there | 23:03 |
jebba | ah cool. Still dont know what RDS is though. | 23:04 |
BabelO | RDS is the radio data system, it is used to display radio station name + more information | 23:04 |
BabelO | N900 use it to display NOKIA on your radio car system when you tune on same frequency that your N900 FM transmitter | 23:05 |
woglinde | BabelO hehe yes cool app | 23:06 |
woglinde | for car drivers | 23:06 |
BabelO | woglinde: yes, i ve a PAROT CK3200 system in my car, and never see caller name, so now it is solved and i can read Incoming SMS this way too | 23:07 |
woglinde | I dont have a car | 23:07 |
woglinde | *g* | 23:07 |
BabelO | ah ok :) | 23:07 |
jebba | hmm, appears that there's lots of rx51 stuff in linux-2.6.28-omap1 from nokia that is not in upstream linux-2.6.32-omap1 :( | 23:13 |
woglinde | jebba hm I saw serval patches on the arm-kernel list | 23:13 |
xorAxAx | BabelO: umm | 23:16 |
jebba | oh ya, there's definitely some action from nokia on linux-omap without a doubt. But just by comparing what is available (e.g. just searching RX51 in make menuconfig or comparing rx51_defconfigs), there's mucho missing. Unless it has been renamed or something. | 23:16 |
xorAxAx | BabelO: how does your app work? | 23:16 |
xorAxAx | BabelO: because the rds data is not in the baseband but in a sideband | 23:16 |
xorAxAx | oh, well, its composited in the baseband. but 57 kHz sounds like a lot to generate with 48 kHz sampling rate :) | 23:18 |
xorAxAx | "A 57 kHz subcarrier (phase locked to the third harmonic of the stereo pilot tone) is used to carry a low-bandwidth digital" | 23:19 |
xorAxAx | haha, even phase locked | 23:19 |
jebba | woglinde: things like CONFIG_RX51_CAMERA_BUTTON ... | 23:19 |
BabelO | xorAxAx: look into /sys/class/i2c-adapter/3-0022 | 23:20 |
woglinde | jebba hm | 23:20 |
BabelO | oh wrong it is for rds receiver :) | 23:20 |
BabelO | xorAxAx: it is in i2c-2/2-0063 | 23:20 |
BabelO | supertux works well :) | 23:21 |
jebba | woglinde: same true for linux-omap git. But maybe the things have new generic names (e.g. now TI_XYZ123 camera button or something) | 23:21 |
jebba | supertux rules. x to run fast btw :) | 23:21 |
xorAxAx | BabelO: cool, teh rocks | 23:21 |
xorAxAx | BabelO: you are reading rds, but can you send it as well? | 23:21 |
xorAxAx | ah, yes, your fault | 23:22 |
BabelO | xorAxAx: yes, sure | 23:22 |
xorAxAx | i suggest to modify the official fm app | 23:22 |
xorAxAx | instead of writing your own one | 23:22 |
BabelO | xorAxAx: in the tr&ansceiver you can wrote rds_ps_name in my car it is 9 character length max | 23:22 |
BabelO | so app need to roll every 2s with the text | 23:22 |
jebba | woglinde: it does add "console=ttyS2,115200n8" which may be a neat hint (USB debug?) | 23:22 |
xorAxAx | oh, there is such a file? | 23:22 |
xorAxAx | cool | 23:22 |
woglinde | jebba dont know | 23:23 |
BabelO | xorAxAx: you mean for transmitter which official app ? | 23:23 |
xorAxAx | BabelO: for receiver, you could modify the fm app. for transmitter you need your own one, indeed | 23:23 |
BabelO | xorAxAx: so that what i say :) doing my own app | 23:23 |
xorAxAx | yes | 23:24 |
BabelO | for receiver i wait that the developper decode rds stuff :) | 23:24 |
xorAxAx | you could file a feature request | 23:24 |
BabelO | i post my rds_data a moment ago | 23:24 |
BabelO | xorAxAx: yes or i can help him :) if i found the source in garage | 23:24 |
xorAxAx | apt-get source ... | 23:25 |
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BabelO | yes i know :) | 23:25 |
BabelO | but python .. | 23:25 |
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BabelO | xorAxAx: is the developper somewhere in a channel here ? | 23:27 |
xorAxAx | BabelO: no idea | 23:29 |
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xorAxAx | BabelO: ask in #maemo | 23:35 |
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