| GeneralAntilles | "something else" | 00:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you look at the bug i mentioned? | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm using 51-1 and following the amended steps to reproduce still generates junk | 00:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, will test in a bit. | 00:19 |
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| Anidel | which bug? | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4053#c4 | 00:31 |
| povbot` | Bug 4053: Confusing behaviour when saving to a file that matches an existing directory | 00:31 |
| Anidel | yeah read above.. let's see | 00:31 |
| Anidel | btw is there a bug for FM showing folders twice? | 00:33 |
| Anidel | if I tap yes to overwrite, it seems it saved it.. but it didn't | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | Anidel: i sure hope so | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | however i haven't looked | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | it's been around for ages | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | please do find out | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | (it isn't fixed in 51-1 fwiw) | 00:50 |
| Anidel | I'm on 51-1 | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, sorry :) | 00:50 |
| * timeless_mbp too | 00:50 | |
| Anidel | it didn't.. the Z.jpg is still there as dir | 00:51 |
| Anidel | it didn't error | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | right, so, can you save me from yelling at this idiot? | 00:51 |
| Anidel | nope:) | 00:51 |
| Anidel | you do yell | 00:51 |
| Anidel | this is basic stuff | 00:51 |
| Anidel | :) | 00:51 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 00:51 | |
| Anidel | didn't check if the file name was or not a dir | 00:52 |
| Anidel | it didn't check the removal of the previous file | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | "dear sir, did you try following the steps to reproduce? they specifically talk about image viewer. any behavior in any other application would be a different bug" | 00:52 |
| Anidel | to name a few | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | his errors and steps seem afaict to relate to file manager | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | which would be nice, if the bug had anything to do w/ file manager ... | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | (i question whether the outcome he got is acceptable, but afaict it's entirely outside the scope of the bug) | 00:53 |
| Anidel | indeed | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | it's hard not to be incredulous when faced with such comments | 00:54 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for a nice solid brick wall against which to bang a certain head | 00:54 | |
| timeless_mbp | (my own, none other are handy, although it might do this guy some good) | 00:54 |
| Anidel | is the "Photos" app called "Images" in yours? | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Image Viewer | 00:55 |
| Anidel | ah.. I guess US English ? | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | _my_ us english | 00:55 |
| Anidel | ;) | 00:55 |
| Anidel | ok | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | timeless.justdave.net/maemo/os2009repo/ | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but the bug is filed in the correct product/component in both the internal and external bug tracker | 00:56 |
| timeless_mbp | if the engineer is confused about its component, the engineer is free to ask for clarification | 00:56 |
| Anidel | correct | 00:56 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 00:57 |
| Anidel | he's wrong clearly.. he didn't reproduce the steps (as you just said)... just.. comment back :) | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | please note, the bug was filed against diablo | 00:57 |
| Anidel | noted | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | the name of the app was images when it was filed | 00:57 |
| Anidel | well it's fine.. he should know from the produc/component | 00:58 |
| Anidel | at least he asks if we're talking about the same issue :) | 01:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 01:02 |
| timeless_mbp | is it ok for me to treat him like a child? | 01:02 |
| Anidel | not really to me.. if he insists.. then.. | 01:02 |
| Anidel | :) | 01:02 |
| timeless_mbp | {{{ | 01:03 |
| timeless_mbp | > Is these the same issue your talking?" | 01:03 |
| timeless_mbp | No. Please follow the steps to reproduce. This bug (filed in the Image viewer component) is about ... the Image viewer, not the file manager. | 01:03 |
| timeless_mbp | }}} | 01:03 |
| timeless_mbp | is that sufficient? | 01:03 |
| Anidel | looks it is.. | 01:04 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, submitted | 01:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it's now past my bedtime | 01:04 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 01:05 |
| Anidel | night | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and people wonder why i prefer to use the external bug tracker... | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | among other things, even though the names are changed to protect the guilty | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | at least i can get sympathy from customers | 01:05 |
| Anidel | :) weren't you going to bed? | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to finish reading my email :) | 01:06 |
| * timeless_mbp is an addict | 01:06 | |
| Anidel | ah yes :) | 01:06 |
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| jebba | http://mcepl.blogspot.com/2010/01/jetpack-which-turned-into-mid-range.html andre_ may find that interesting when he returns | 03:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | cable guy came | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | he turned the box to manual program | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and pointed out that the cable box is broken | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and then he left | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | at least he came early in the day | 10:35 |
| * timeless_mbp still has no working cable | 10:35 | |
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| andre__ | yay, I see an update in App Manager to 2.2009.51-1. | 11:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: eh | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | you actually have 44-1 on a device? | 12:22 |
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| andre__ | timeless_mbp, yes | 12:27 |
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| jebba | so is this the new kernel? kernel_2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5.dsc | 14:43 |
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| anidel | hi there | 16:17 |
| anidel | probably someone already made the question.. is the 51-1 just released the same as the "beta" we had? | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. . . . :\ | 16:18 |
| anidel | :/ | 16:18 |
| anidel | thanks :) | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, shouldn't that be 5.1? :) | 16:25 |
| andre__ | 51 = 5.1 ? heh | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | _2_.2009-51-1 | 16:26 |
| andre__ | ah. you mean the version fields? | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | PR1.1 | 16:26 |
| andre__ | hmm. | 16:26 |
| andre__ | probably right. but I'm lazy :) | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | etc | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | == 5.1 | 16:26 |
| andre__ | I'd keep it as it is currently... | 16:27 |
| andre__ | we have to many names already anyway | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's wrong. :P | 16:27 |
| andre__ | I haven't seen it mentioned as "Maemo 5.1" yet either, so PROVE it's wrong! :-P | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | _2_.2009 | 16:27 |
| andre__ | so if PR1.2 is version 15.2010.68-7, what will that become than? 5.15? | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont be 15.* | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The first number is the release. PR1.0, PR1.1, PR1.2, etc. | 16:28 |
| andre__ | how do you know? | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because that's how the version string is set up? | 16:29 |
| andre__ | I assume you don't have access to internal stuff. | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | release number.year.week-build number | 16:29 |
| andre__ | simply expect the weirdest naming decisions. | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's been consistent since 1.0. | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I have some pretty strong confidence in it | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | besides, so what if PR1.2 is 15.*? | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's still 5.2 | 16:30 |
| andre__ | shrug... | 16:31 |
| andre__ | you're probably right, but I won't change it right now... | 16:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles 's internal pedant is planning evil things for andre__. :P | 16:31 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, nevermind, thes | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | n | 17:01 |
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| anidel | hey Andre.. will it take too much time for you to explain what a Fix should suppose to do for a bug? i.e. often you just comment "fixed in this build version" but often it's unclear how the fix has been implemented, like for example in bug #5372 | 21:00 |
| andre__ | anidel, yes, it will take time, especially when developers are too lazy to elaborate :) | 21:03 |
| andre__ | let me take a look at that one | 21:03 |
| andre__ | Fixes: NB#142941 - Snap to grid for Home applets/shortcuts | 21:04 |
| andre__ | * data/transitions.ini: Add snap to grid key/values. | 21:04 |
| andre__ | * src/home/hd-home-view.c (snap_coordinate_to_grid, | 21:04 |
| andre__ | snap_widget_to_grid): Add snap to grid support. | 21:04 |
| andre__ | * debian/changelog: update | 21:04 |
| andre__ | that's what I can offer here :) | 21:04 |
| anidel | that's enough.. and means that that is not fixed :) | 21:05 |
| anidel | I don't see the snap to grid,, probably it'll be added in a later release? | 21:05 |
| andre__ | Let me reopen :) | 21:05 |
| anidel | thanks :) | 21:05 |
| andre__ | it should definitely be in PR1.1 :) | 21:05 |
| andre__ | I'll reopen both | 21:05 |
| anidel | but be ready.. someone will complain that want back free replacement :) hopefully it's a setting or something | 21:06 |
| anidel | thanks | 21:06 |
| andre__ | ahem. | 21:07 |
| andre__ | I cannot edit http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 anymore. | 21:07 |
| andre__ | grrr. | 21:07 |
| andre__ | anybody else able to? | 21:07 |
| anidel | no idea... | 21:08 |
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| frals | andre__: its been locked, GeneralAntilles can edit i *think* | 21:24 |
| frals | (iirc he locked it after qgim suggesting it) | 21:24 |
| andre__ | but i wrote of half of this page!!! :-P | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, upgraded your account. | 21:31 |
| andre__ | yay, an upgrade for free. | 21:31 |
| andre__ | thanks | 21:31 |
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| anidel | andre you scare people!!! :) | 21:56 |
| anidel | "Heh - Andre scares me only a little less than Bugzilla himself. :p I did enter a bug today, though" | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, Talk? | 21:56 |
| andre__ | who said that? :-P | 21:56 |
| andre__ | hey, nobody said anything about "social behaviour required" in that job description! | 21:57 |
| anidel | ehehe | 21:57 |
| anidel | if you give me PR1.2 Beta then I can make names | 21:57 |
| anidel | and even region of living !:) | 21:57 |
| anidel | :p | 21:57 |
| anidel | GAN900, no twitter :) | 21:57 |
| anidel | a public tweet reply :p | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, lol. | 21:58 |
| anidel | but she's joking :) ops.. she | 21:58 |
| anidel | damn now you can find her name easily ! I'm not good at keeping secrets :) | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need a "I'm the bugmaster! rawr" shirt for andre__ after so many fools bitching about his "attitude" | 21:58 |
| andre__ | do so many people? | 21:59 |
| andre__ | damn, I want URLs! | 21:59 |
| anidel | anyway : "I gathered he's a good guy, but anyone who can tame a monster like godzilla's brother is a little scary!" | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, just a few over the last couple days. | 21:59 |
| andre__ | WHERE IS THIS FROM?!?! :-) | 21:59 |
| anidel | that's why you scare here .. she's Kathy btw | 21:59 |
| andre__ | sorry, I didn't have much time for talk.maemo.org in the last days | 21:59 |
| andre__ | Kathy is totally okay | 21:59 |
| andre__ | but I totally agree that I've become pretty direct with people adding useless comments to bugzilla | 21:59 |
| anidel | I know , we're just having some fun | 21:59 |
| andre__ | and that I could become a bit friendlier again, yeah :-/ | 21:59 |
| anidel | andre__, I've seen a reply today about someone complaining about your attitude.. but I think you've been very professional and not rude at all | 22:00 |
| andre__ | see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357#c98 for example | 22:00 |
| povbot | Bug 5357: Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 22:00 |
| anidel | bugzilla comments are not made to chit chat | 22:00 |
| andre__ | I'm often quite direct. That's a cultural difference sometimes | 22:00 |
| anidel | being direct is not being rude | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=465240#post465240 2 ones above and a little below this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=465240#post465240 | 22:00 |
| andre__ | but if I want Nokians to be around in maemo.org bugzilla, I must get people into shutting up when hacing nothing to say... :-/ | 22:01 |
| anidel | yeah that's the one I'm speaking about | 22:01 |
| * andre__ should go to talk.maemo.org after some beers tonight and tell people the truth :-D | 22:01 | |
| anidel | :D | 22:01 |
| anidel | tell me if you do :) I won't miss the show | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I'd just focus on a adjective usage. ;) | 22:02 |
| andre__ | darn, people complain about instead of complaining to me about me. na, na, naaaa! :-) | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | That worked for me. | 22:02 |
| andre__ | "useless" is a bit too strong probably | 22:02 |
| andre__ | I should stick with "unhelpful" instead | 22:02 |
| anidel | try | 22:02 |
| andre__ | but if I suck sometimes, please do tell me. I'm willing to learn :) | 22:03 |
| anidel | c98 in 5357 doesn't take into account the context in which we're talking | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or "superfluous" | 22:03 |
| andre__ | and if all goes wrong, the council can still fire me :-P | 22:03 |
| anidel | Or "totally inappropriate" :) | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, well, I think you suck but I don't know that there's much you can do to fix it. :P | 22:03 |
| anidel | well is says he knows.. but I don't think he realizes | 22:03 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, ehehe. | 22:04 |
| anidel | or that we can do to fix it :) | 22:04 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, I take that partially for real :-) | 22:04 |
| andre__ | "Usually it's better to not do such public job at all rather then trying to work 16 hours per day, have an headache due to overload and write comments which make people feel... strange." | 22:04 |
| andre__ | irmin has a good point, yeah. | 22:04 |
| anidel | gotta go now.. still in the office at 8pm is not good at all :() | 22:05 |
| anidel | see you later guys... | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later, anidel. | 22:05 |
| anidel | later gan | 22:05 |
| anidel | later andre rawrrr | 22:05 |
| anidel | :) | 22:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, yes, but it's always more fun when you hand somebody their ass. | 22:05 |
| andre__ | argh, gone. anyway: thanks for making me aware of that thread. really. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think of it as a morale booster for your triagers. :P | 22:06 |
| andre__ | I prefer to talk to people instead of about them :) | 22:06 |
| andre__ | so now I have the chance at least :) | 22:06 |
| andre__ | fuck, it's 9PM already? yeah, that 16hours comment wasn't that wrong. sigh | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:07 |
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| andre__ | now if I could only find Kathy's quote that Anidel posted.... :) | 22:23 |
| frals | andre__: http://twitter.com/RevdKathy | 22:24 |
| andre__ | twitter! now that thingy I don't use :) | 22:25 |
| andre__ | cool, thanks a lot! | 22:25 |
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| andre__ | good night everybody... :-) | 22:38 |
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| frals | np, and gnite :) | 22:50 |
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