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| fishbulb | DocScrutinizer05: do you have any ideas for the best thing to do with a 64gb n9 | 22:44 |
| fishbulb | looks like you're a dev | 22:44 |
| fishbulb | the repos seem to be closed, I can't really find a "better" os to go on it, but it's a great piece of hardware | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm not really a dev, particularly not on harmattan | 22:53 |
| fishbulb | seems arch can go on there but that's painful, sailfish doesn't really look to be a huge improvement but I haven't run it so I don't really know, android doesn't run on it | 22:54 |
| fishbulb | ok but do you have any ideas for what would be a good use for an n9? | 22:54 |
| fishbulb | so far it's kind of just a backup thing that has a camera, music player, 64gb onboard... wifi, but nokia discontinued support, are there other repos? | 22:55 |
| fishbulb | or is there anyone else here? everyone seems quiet | 22:56 |
| fishbulb | I'm still using one of my n900's as my main phone | 22:58 |
| fishbulb | I got this n9 for free, it's a cool device, but nokia abandoned this thing nearly immediately | 22:59 |
| fishbulb | do you have an n9 docscrutinizer | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | currently disassembled and possibly destroyed, but yes | 23:11 |
| fishbulb | what were you doing with it? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | checking for the RAM chip it carries | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/N9_1GB-RAM/DSC02144.jpeg | 23:14 |
| fishbulb | yeah that's an awesome project | 23:14 |
| fishbulb | I can't afford one | 23:14 |
| fishbulb | I've got a few n900's and I won't retire those until they have to be. | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N9 is the only other device on this globe I know of that has an OMAP3 with 1GB of RAM | 23:14 |
| fishbulb | apart from | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apart form Meo900 ;-) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 even | 23:15 |
| fishbulb | can the n9 run what you plan to use? | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't have any particular plans to use sth, there's FPTF though | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf | 23:17 |
| infobot | [fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it *could* also run on N9 | 23:17 |
| fishbulb | 700eur is a lot for a phone, but then again I wouldn't buy any new phone | 23:17 |
| fishbulb | (which is why I've still got the n900, but that's far from the only reason) | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 700 is even only for the board, and we prolly won't make it to keep that pricetag, stuff got more expensive with Euro / Dollar dropping a 30% | 23:18 |
| fishbulb | I wish it were possible to butcher the n9 to beef up the n900 | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas that's not exactly feasible | 23:19 |
| fishbulb | you'll have enough people to buy some though? | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so far we have 400+ preorders | 23:20 |
| fishbulb | do they pay for them in advance or do they just say "we will definitely buy it" | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is sufficient to build the thing but will basically be a loss deal for me and the company. Hoping for selling 1500 which is our break-even point | 23:20 |
| fishbulb | does n900 popularity have anything to do with neo900 potential sales? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right now we start asking for a 300EUR down payment for the bare NeoN board to upgrade your won N900, and a 450 when you want us to source a almost new N900 for you too | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno about any relation like that | 23:22 |
| fishbulb | probably better if you get all the n900's you can get | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe Neo900 sales depend a lot on N900 popularity | 23:22 |
| fishbulb | you mean if people like the n900 they'll want a badass one | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but they cost us some almost 150 bucks per device, and we have no funds to purchase them before customers do down payment | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1465978#post1465978 | 23:26 |
| fishbulb | I have a couple of mint ones but I would need to sell them | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re N9 repos: that's exactly what I prognosticated when I seen that aegis stuff in harmattan: Nokia shuts down their web services aka repos and all devices dwindle into uselessness in no time | 23:32 |
| fishbulb | would you trade two n900's for one neo900 board :) | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas not | 23:32 |
| fishbulb | if I sold them on the open market I could buy a board | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we simply can't establish a viable cash balance like that | 23:33 |
| fishbulb | too true. | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, we did the Bill Of Materials yesterday, it's around 400some euro without assembly and without any R&D or margin | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for N900 we *sell* them for 150 | 23:34 |
| fishbulb | where do you get them from? | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't trade in 2 devices we *sell* for 150 each for a device we *pay* 400 to even get the components | 23:35 |
| fishbulb | I could get more on ebay. | 23:35 |
| fishbulb | that isn't a working n900 though? | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those N900 are working | 23:36 |
| fishbulb | how do you get them for 150? are they HK clones? | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | used but working | 23:36 |
| fishbulb | ok. you must have been collecting them for a while | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are Shenzen refurbished used ones | 23:36 |
| fishbulb | are those parts good? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got a contact there that guarantees for the quality | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, sort of guarantees | 23:37 |
| fishbulb | shady chinese | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in that I trust him and his expertise | 23:38 |
| fishbulb | so what will just the board cost? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he'll go shopping for us in shenzen | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more than 700 | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as it looks now, 30% more, due to damn Euro/Dollar | 23:39 |
| fishbulb | more than 700 euro for just the board? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as explained above, we are at >>400Euro for just the components | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | idustry standard is to calculate unit cost = component cost * THREE | 23:40 |
| fishbulb | looks like I'm out | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we won't do that, and rather forget about our own making a living to make Neo900 come true | 23:41 |
| fishbulb | surely you won't die or go homeless but the project will live | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buolding a 20,000 devices, we could probably sell them for 300 Euro complete | 23:42 |
| fishbulb | if only 20k people would buy them | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, when I die then odds are the project is screwed. Trying to fix this threat | 23:42 |
| fishbulb | try not to die? | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everybody dies | 23:43 |
| fishbulb | try to die later than sooner | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think 99.9% do that as well ;-) | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, sorry busy | 23:44 |
| fishbulb | it's a good plan in theory | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | got a device to build | 23:44 |
| fishbulb | did you discover anything from the n9 | 23:44 |
| fishbulb | like is anything transferable? | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the RAM | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see above | 23:44 |
| fishbulb | to the n900 | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 23:45 |
| fishbulb | oh well | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 23:46 |
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