IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2015-04-17

*** Kabouik has joined #harmattan00:27
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC01:33
*** M4rtinK has joined #harmattan01:33
*** zalan_ has quit IRC02:46
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC03:10
*** zalan has joined #harmattan03:35
*** Kabouik has quit IRC04:05
*** Enforcer has quit IRC05:18
*** natunen has joined #harmattan05:28
*** Enforcer has joined #harmattan05:30
*** auenfx4 has joined #harmattan05:39
*** auenf has quit IRC05:39
*** auenfx4 has quit IRC05:42
*** auenf has joined #harmattan05:43
*** auenfx4 has joined #harmattan05:51
*** auenf has quit IRC05:52
*** MikaT has quit IRC06:36
*** MikaT has joined #harmattan06:37
*** natunen has quit IRC07:08
*** BenzeneN9 has joined #harmattan07:43
*** BenzeneN9 has quit IRC07:48
*** FlameReaper has joined #harmattan07:52
*** vakkov has joined #harmattan08:08
*** BenzeneN9 has joined #harmattan08:11
*** rm_work is now known as rm_work|away09:03
*** SfietKonstantin has joined #harmattan09:07
*** khertan has joined #harmattan09:45
*** tonyoy has joined #harmattan10:09
*** SfietKonstantin has quit IRC10:13
*** tonyoy has quit IRC10:31
*** piggz has joined #harmattan10:54
*** M4rtinK has joined #harmattan11:16
*** piggz has quit IRC11:18
*** piggz has joined #harmattan11:22
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC11:33
*** piggz has quit IRC11:51
*** tonyoy has joined #harmattan12:35
*** trx has quit IRC13:08
*** trx has joined #harmattan13:14
*** piggz has joined #harmattan13:15
*** Hurrian has quit IRC13:19
*** Hurrian has joined #harmattan13:21
*** FlameReaper has quit IRC14:01
*** lizardo_away is now known as lizardo15:23
*** lizardo is now known as lizardo_away15:42
*** lizardo_away is now known as lizardo16:05
*** lizardo is now known as lizardo_away17:09
*** ced117 has joined #harmattan17:31
*** zalan has quit IRC17:36
*** VDVsx has quit IRC18:01
*** zalan has joined #harmattan18:13
*** rm_work|away is now known as rm_work18:18
*** trx has quit IRC18:24
*** VDVsx has joined #harmattan18:28
*** vakkov has quit IRC19:02
*** BenzeneN9 has quit IRC19:10
*** lizardo_away is now known as lizardo19:13
*** teve has quit IRC20:09
*** M4rtinK has joined #harmattan20:30
*** tonyoy has quit IRC20:52
*** tonyoy has joined #harmattan20:52
*** lizardo is now known as lizardo_away20:53
*** tonyoy has quit IRC20:58
*** tonyoy has joined #harmattan20:59
*** Kabouik has joined #harmattan21:03
*** vakkov has joined #harmattan21:25
*** teve has joined #harmattan21:25
*** piggz has quit IRC21:35
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC21:44
*** piggz has joined #harmattan22:08
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC22:31
*** M4rtinK has joined #harmattan22:34
*** piggz has quit IRC22:40
fishbulbhey is anyone around?22:43
*** DocScrutinizer05 has quit IRC22:43
*** DocScrutinizer05 has joined #harmattan22:43
fishbulbDocScrutinizer05: do you have any ideas for the best thing to do with a 64gb n922:44
fishbulblooks like you're a dev22:44
fishbulbthe repos seem to be closed, I can't really find a "better" os to go on it, but it's a great piece of hardware22:45
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm not really a dev, particularly not on harmattan22:53
fishbulbseems arch can go on there but that's painful, sailfish doesn't really look to be a huge improvement but I haven't run it so I don't really know, android doesn't run on it22:54
fishbulbok but do you have any ideas for what would be a good use for an n9?22:54
fishbulbso far it's kind of just a backup thing that has a camera, music player, 64gb onboard... wifi, but nokia discontinued support, are there other repos?22:55
fishbulbor is there anyone else here? everyone seems quiet22:56
fishbulbI'm still using one of my n900's as my main phone22:58
fishbulbI got this n9 for free, it's a cool device, but nokia abandoned this thing nearly immediately22:59
fishbulbdo you have an n9 docscrutinizer23:11
DocScrutinizer05currently disassembled and possibly destroyed, but yes23:11
fishbulbwhat were you doing with it?23:12
DocScrutinizer05checking for the RAM chip it carries23:12
fishbulbyeah that's an awesome project23:14
fishbulbI can't afford one23:14
fishbulbI've got a few n900's and I won't retire those until they have to be.23:14
DocScrutinizer05N9 is the only other device on this globe I know of that has an OMAP3 with 1GB of RAM23:14
fishbulbapart from23:15
DocScrutinizer05apart form Meo900 ;-)23:15
DocScrutinizer05Neo900 even23:15
fishbulbcan the n9 run what you plan to use?23:15
*** piggz has joined #harmattan23:16
DocScrutinizer05we don't have any particular plans to use sth, there's FPTF though23:17
*** khertan has quit IRC23:17
infobot[fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see
DocScrutinizer05I guess it *could* also run on N923:17
fishbulb700eur is a lot for a phone, but then again I wouldn't buy any new phone23:17
fishbulb(which is why I've still got the n900, but that's far from the only reason)23:18
DocScrutinizer05700 is even only for the board, and we prolly won't make it to keep that pricetag, stuff got more expensive with Euro / Dollar dropping a 30%23:18
fishbulbI wish it were possible to butcher the n9 to beef up the n90023:19
DocScrutinizer05alas that's not exactly feasible23:19
fishbulbyou'll have enough people to buy some though?23:19
DocScrutinizer05so far we have 400+ preorders23:20
fishbulbdo they pay for them in advance or do they just say "we will definitely buy it"23:20
DocScrutinizer05which is sufficient to build the thing but will basically be a loss deal for me and the company. Hoping for selling 1500 which is our break-even point23:20
fishbulbdoes n900 popularity have anything to do with neo900 potential sales?23:21
DocScrutinizer05right now we start asking for a 300EUR down payment for the bare NeoN board to upgrade your won N900, and a 450 when you want us to source a almost new N900 for you too23:22
DocScrutinizer05I dunno about any relation like that23:22
fishbulbprobably better if you get all the n900's you can get23:22
DocScrutinizer05maybe Neo900 sales depend a lot on N900 popularity23:22
fishbulbyou mean if people like the n900 they'll want a badass one23:23
DocScrutinizer05yes, but they cost us some almost 150 bucks per device, and we have no funds to purchase them before customers do down payment23:23
fishbulbI have a couple of mint ones but I would need to sell them23:31
DocScrutinizer05re N9 repos: that's exactly what I prognosticated when I seen that aegis stuff in harmattan: Nokia shuts down their web services aka repos and all devices dwindle into uselessness in no time23:32
fishbulbwould you trade two n900's for one neo900 board :)23:32
DocScrutinizer05alas not23:32
fishbulbif I sold them on the open market I could buy a board23:32
DocScrutinizer05we simply can't establish a viable cash balance like that23:33
fishbulbtoo true.23:33
DocScrutinizer05I mean, we did the Bill Of Materials yesterday, it's around 400some euro without assembly and without any R&D or margin23:34
DocScrutinizer05for N900 we *sell* them for 15023:34
fishbulbwhere do you get them from?23:35
DocScrutinizer05I can't trade in 2 devices we *sell* for 150 each for a device we *pay* 400 to even get the components23:35
fishbulbI could get more on ebay.23:35
fishbulbthat isn't a working n900 though?23:36
DocScrutinizer05those N900 are working23:36
fishbulbhow do you get them for 150? are they HK clones?23:36
DocScrutinizer05used but working23:36
fishbulbok. you must have been collecting them for a while23:36
DocScrutinizer05they are Shenzen refurbished used ones23:36
fishbulbare those parts good?23:37
DocScrutinizer05we got a contact there that guarantees for the quality23:37
DocScrutinizer05well, sort of guarantees23:37
fishbulbshady chinese23:37
DocScrutinizer05in that I trust him and his expertise23:38
fishbulbso what will just the board cost?23:38
DocScrutinizer05he'll go shopping for us in shenzen23:38
DocScrutinizer05more than 70023:39
DocScrutinizer05as it looks now, 30% more, due to damn Euro/Dollar23:39
fishbulbmore than 700 euro for just the board?23:39
DocScrutinizer05as explained above, we are at >>400Euro for just the components23:40
DocScrutinizer05idustry standard is to calculate unit cost = component cost * THREE23:40
fishbulblooks like I'm out23:41
DocScrutinizer05we won't do that, and rather forget about our own making a living to make Neo900 come true23:41
fishbulbsurely you won't die or go homeless but the project will live23:41
DocScrutinizer05buolding a 20,000 devices, we could probably sell them for 300 Euro complete23:42
fishbulbif only 20k people would buy them23:42
DocScrutinizer05no, when I die then odds are the project is screwed. Trying to fix this threat23:42
fishbulbtry not to die?23:43
DocScrutinizer05everybody dies23:43
fishbulbtry to die later than sooner23:43
DocScrutinizer05I think 99.9% do that as well ;-)23:43
DocScrutinizer05anyway, sorry busy23:44
fishbulbit's a good plan in theory23:44
DocScrutinizer05got a device to build23:44
fishbulbdid you discover anything from the n923:44
fishbulblike is anything transferable?23:44
DocScrutinizer05the RAM23:44
DocScrutinizer05see above23:44
fishbulbto the n90023:45
fishbulboh well23:45
*** povbot_ has joined #harmattan23:55
*** ChanServ sets mode: +v povbot_23:55
*** valdur55 has quit IRC23:57
*** valdur55 has joined #harmattan23:57
*** planasb_ has joined #harmattan23:58
*** povbot has quit IRC23:59
*** piggz has quit IRC23:59
*** planasb has quit IRC23:59

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!