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| Kabouik | Hey guys, my (elder !) father just purchased a Samsung Rex 60. I don't know that phone, but it seems like a terrible choice at first look. Do you confirm? Is an Asha the best choice in that price range (50€) for someone who will not use internet or any smartphone feature? | 21:39 |
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| Eztran | Really low-end Androids tend to be painfully slow. If he's not using any of the features, it seems a bit pointless paying for Android, too - though I guess the difference in price between that and feature phones is pretty low now? | 21:42 |
| Kabouik | I guess it is quite low indeed, and I'm afraid the Rex features a very obscure OS. | 21:45 |
| Eztran | Oh, you're right, sorry, I was looking at the wrong model. | 21:45 |
| Kabouik | I thought that maybe the Asha OS was kind of close to Harmattan, and thus quite straightforward. But I don't know if they are actually good simple phones | 21:45 |
| Eztran | That Rex looks like it's using one of the crappy Java-based Symbian ripoffs? Not usually much fun to use. | 21:47 |
| Kabouik | I have no idea. It just seemed awfully unknown to me | 21:48 |
| Eztran | I find hardware T9 to be more considerably easier effective than on-screen, too, though obviously that's a personal thing. Screens that size make QWERTY near-unusable to me. | 21:48 |
| Eztran | easier AND MORE effective, sorry. | 21:48 |
| Kabouik | Yes I agree, but I just heard from him saying that he couldn't properly use T9 with his previous phone (he hasn't grown with SMS and finding the right letters requires some thought) | 21:49 |
| Kabouik | Perhaps a hardware full keyboard would be best, but that will be hard to find in that price range. Or even in another price range. :D Perhaps the Asha 210 | 21:50 |
| Eztran | Understandable, just suggesting that really tiny touchscreens are useless for this kinda thing (previously owned a Nokia 5530, ugggh typing on a 2.9" screen). | 21:50 |
| Kabouik | Even on the large Jolla, typing any sms is still a huge huge pain. | 21:51 |
| Kabouik | My brains always tries to find a solution not to type that sms. | 21:51 |
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| Kabouik | brain* | 21:52 |
| Kabouik | I only have one. Almost one. | 21:52 |
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| Eztran | Makes you reword things to be concise even when you have no limit =) | 21:52 |
| Eztran | Anyways, bit of research suggests the OS is proprietary and supports Java apps. There are about a million of those, Chinese manufacturers particularly seem to make one for each low-end device. | 21:53 |
| Kabouik | :/ | 21:54 |
| Eztran | Of course, there's no reason that means it won't work as a phone or anything. | 21:54 |
| Kabouik | Yeah but 60€ for that in 2014 :/ | 21:54 |
| Kabouik | I really think he can find better for the buck | 21:55 |
| Eztran | Usually the goal is 'make it run Opera Mini and some messaging apps'. If he doesn't want the latter, you probably can find better. | 21:55 |
| Kabouik | He most likely doesn't care about Opera mini, but will use sms and I could make him use emails if the OS was good enough, at least for reading | 21:56 |
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| Eztran | Actually I've been surprised before about how decent the email is on an Asha (501, I think? Slightly higher price point if so, but should be similar across the line). | 21:59 |
| Kabouik | Does the 501 have GPS? | 22:00 |
| Eztran | Don't think so. | 22:01 |
| Kabouik | I like the 210 because of hardware keyboard (he has big hands), but the screen is tiny and no GPS | 22:01 |
| Eztran | Asha (at least, for touch) does at least seem to be the first OS where they realised, 'Oh wait, we have a tiny screen, let's use big buttons'. GPS is gonna be tricky at the price point. | 22:02 |
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| Eztran | using the 'GPS' filter on GSMArena basically just picks out smartphones. I guess that's not too surprising. | 22:17 |
| Kabouik | Yep Eztran, I was just asking! | 22:26 |
| Kabouik | Well I told him to try to type SMS and see how it turns out. The point will be to sell him the Asha 210 if he has trouble typing sms on a touchscreen (Amazon reviews seem relatively good on the 210) | 22:27 |
| Kabouik | Or investigate other Asha phones (501-503, don't know how they differ), which will have the same touchscreen issues, but perhaps a better OS and build quality. | 22:28 |
| Eztran | If he's happy with it, then not much point worrying =) | 22:29 |
| Kabouik | I don't like him buying some random Samsung-Java low-end product a seller sold him in the shop. :< | 22:30 |
| Kabouik | Just because you will only spend 50€ and don't know anything about phones doesn't mean you don't deserve good advice in the shop :( | 22:31 |
| Eztran | My experience with said shops tends to be 'have you looked at these smartphones over here?'. Even when I wasn't looking for a phone =/ | 22:31 |
| Kabouik | Yeah | 22:31 |
| Kabouik | Well he was looking for one here | 22:31 |
| Eztran | I suppose if they're paid on commission particularly, emphasis will be on selling high-price devices (hey, kinda rhymes) and contracts. | 22:32 |
| Kabouik | Yeah but I couldn't see my father being trapped that much on an expensive phone :P | 22:32 |
| Eztran | Hehe, not if he doesn't want smartphone functions. Thankfully that does kinda open up the market a bit, unfortunately manufacturers treat it as a reason to have no build quality whatsoever. | 22:33 |
| Kabouik | At least the Asha seem to be properly built. I think Samsung should be decent too, but the OS seems to be like the old Samsung Player's one | 22:34 |
| Eztran | That's pretty common, I think. They can't make the ridiculous profits they make on smartphones, so little-to-no actual effort goes into the device beyond making it work. | 22:35 |
| Kabouik | It seems the 503 just features higher res camera and flash, compared to the 501. | 22:37 |
| Eztran | Well, certainly looks a bit better, but given that neither are going to be comparable to a cheap point-and-shoot, it's debatable whether that's worth anything. | 22:40 |
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