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| pawky | Has anyone succeeded to install screen on the N9? it comlains about "install: can't change ownership of /var/run/screen: Operation not permitted" which I assume is due to Aegis, right? | 10:40 |
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| Jonni | pawky: screen works just fine. | 11:06 |
| Jonni | most likely you have added some harmattan-dev repo if your having problems | 11:07 |
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| Jonni | ah just looked at screen package manifest, just wrongly packaged, so you have to fix it manually :) | 11:19 |
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| Jonni | or if your lazy then: opensh -c "apt-get install screen" which runs the apt-get in a shell that has ownership change rights :) | 11:21 |
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| valdur55 | Jonni: why opensh when we can use Coderus's sudo :) | 11:36 |
| Jonni | nobody has installed coderus sudo :) | 11:36 |
| Jonni | but sure you can use sudo, inception or whatever | 11:36 |
| valdur55 | Jonni: Am I nobody ? | 11:37 |
| Jonni | valdur55: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1181212&postcount=123 and it might also be that sudo does not have enough power for chown :) | 11:38 |
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| Jonni | valdur55: so no, you cannot use Coderus's sudo for that. | 11:39 |
| Jonni | (even coderus says that it doesnt have the privileges http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1181292&postcount=125) | 11:40 |
| valdur55 | Jonni: ok. | 11:41 |
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| valdur55 | But. can this "Operation not permitted" issue caused by uncertifed package? | 11:42 |
| Jonni | valdur55: well yes and no, its badly created package, you can have uncertified package that doesnt complain on chown, if you create aegis manifest in a right way. | 11:43 |
| Jonni | and even certified packages can complain on chown if manifest is done wrong. | 11:43 |
| valdur55 | OK. | 11:44 |
| Jonni | that package complains on chown, even if I sign it with com.nokia.maemo signature | 11:44 |
| valdur55 | I have ignored this ownership issue and screen is working nicely | 11:45 |
| Jonni | well it works, ownership dir just prevents eavesdropping on multiuser systems. | 11:46 |
| Jonni | which is not that big issue on single user device | 11:47 |
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| loin | hi guys, does anyone know of any good uses for a N9? | 20:48 |
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| Aard | I make phone calls with it, send sms, do some webbrowsing, irc | 20:51 |
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| loin | Aard, not good enough | 20:53 |
| loin | i was thinking of making it some sort of computer | 20:53 |
| loin | Aard, i'd probably need to figure out a way to get the battery out of it | 20:53 |
| loin | Aard, and install some other os on it | 20:53 |
| fignew | you can run debian/archlinux/etc as a chroot | 20:57 |
| loin | fignew, sounds like a good idea | 20:58 |
| loin | did you try it? | 20:58 |
| Aard | loin: it _is_ some sort of computer :p | 20:58 |
| loin | i wonder if it'll explode if i always keep it plugged in | 21:00 |
| Aard | unlikely, though you should make sure to have the bme binary blobs from nokia installed | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the contrary | 21:00 |
| loin | Aard, bme binary blobs for what? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure not to stop it from exploding | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are it is more likely to explode +with* bme rather than without | 21:02 |
| loin | taking the battery out sounds like a better idea | 21:02 |
| Aard | taking the battery out might make it not to start | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly the whole idea doesn't sound smart | 21:03 |
| loin | DocScrutinizer05, which idea | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aard: N9 is also impossible to do sth odd to battery when bme not running | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except maybe deep discharge | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bq27xxx battery management chips all have inherent safety for the cell | 21:05 |
| loin | do batteries explode or just get really hot | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically impossible to do something really bad to LiIon when bq27xxx takes care about charging. Unlike in e.g. N8x0 | 21:06 |
| loin | when they're overcharged and their safety mechanism fails? | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they can explode | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but you can't "overcharge" battery under control of the bq27xxx battery charger chip | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's technically impossible | 21:07 |
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| loin | adnd the bq27xxxx chip never fails? | 21:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | And there is a safety circuit inside teh battery | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | In that event | 21:18 |
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| loin | i hope you're right and i don't explode my fone | 21:19 |
| loin | breaking whatever is in the vecinity | 21:19 |
| fignew | loin: yea, I've run chrooted archlinux. was nice | 21:21 |
| loin | fignew, why'd you stop? | 21:21 |
| fignew | reflashed (new N9) | 21:22 |
| fignew | never unlocked it (you have to get rid of agieas(sp)) | 21:22 |
| loin | i don't know what to do with my n9 and i thought that running a full "linux" on it would be a good use | 21:22 |
| loin | if it actually works on it | 21:22 |
| fignew | getting a GeeksPhone peak+ to replace my N9 | 21:22 |
| loin | and not just sandboxed in some app | 21:23 |
| fignew | getting tired of the bugs | 21:23 |
| loin | fignew, i got a nexus4 so the n9 is just aging at this point, might as well use it for something other than paperweight | 21:23 |
| fignew | yea, i've considered the same | 21:23 |
| fignew | it won't explode if it's always plugged in BTW ;) | 21:24 |
| loin | i hope you're right | 21:34 |
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