IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2013-08-14

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pawkyHas anyone succeeded to install screen on the N9? it comlains about "install: can't change ownership of /var/run/screen: Operation not permitted" which I assume is due to Aegis, right?10:40
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Jonnipawky: screen works just fine.11:06
Jonnimost likely you have added some harmattan-dev repo if your having problems11:07
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Jonniah just looked at screen package manifest, just wrongly packaged, so you have to fix it manually :)11:19
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Jonnior if your lazy then: opensh -c "apt-get install screen" which runs the apt-get in a shell that has ownership change rights :)11:21
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valdur55Jonni: why opensh when we can use Coderus's sudo :)11:36
Jonni nobody has installed coderus sudo :)11:36
Jonnibut sure you can use sudo, inception or whatever11:36
valdur55Jonni: Am I nobody ?11:37
Jonnivaldur55: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1181212&postcount=123  and it might also be that sudo does not have enough power for chown :)11:38
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Jonnivaldur55: so no, you cannot use Coderus's sudo for that.11:39
Jonni(even coderus says that it doesnt have the privileges http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1181292&postcount=125)11:40
valdur55Jonni: ok.11:41
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valdur55But. can  this "Operation not permitted" issue caused by uncertifed package?11:42
Jonnivaldur55: well yes and no, its badly created package, you can have uncertified package that doesnt complain on chown, if you create aegis manifest in a right way.11:43
Jonniand even certified packages can complain on chown if manifest is done wrong.11:43
valdur55OK.11:44
Jonnithat package complains on chown, even if I sign it with com.nokia.maemo signature11:44
valdur55I have ignored this ownership issue and screen is working nicely11:45
Jonniwell it works, ownership dir just prevents eavesdropping on multiuser systems.11:46
Jonniwhich is not that big issue on single user device11:47
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loinhi guys, does anyone know of any good uses for a N9?20:48
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AardI make phone calls with it, send sms, do some webbrowsing, irc20:51
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loinAard, not good enough20:53
loini was thinking of making it some sort of computer20:53
loinAard, i'd probably need to figure out a way to get the battery out of it20:53
loinAard, and install some other os on it20:53
fignewyou can run debian/archlinux/etc as a chroot20:57
loinfignew, sounds like a good idea20:58
loindid you try it?20:58
Aardloin: it _is_ some sort of computer :p20:58
loini wonder if it'll explode if i always keep it plugged in21:00
Aardunlikely, though you should make sure to have the bme binary blobs from nokia installed21:00
DocScrutinizer05the contrary21:00
loinAard, bme binary blobs for what?21:01
DocScrutinizer05for sure not to stop it from exploding21:02
DocScrutinizer05odds are it is more likely to explode +with* bme rather than without21:02
lointaking the battery out sounds like a better idea21:02
Aardtaking the battery out might make it not to start21:03
DocScrutinizer05honestly the whole idea doesn't sound smart21:03
loinDocScrutinizer05, which idea21:03
DocScrutinizer05Aard: N9 is also impossible to do sth odd to battery when bme not running21:03
DocScrutinizer05except maybe deep discharge21:03
DocScrutinizer05bq27xxx battery management chips all have inherent safety for the cell21:05
loindo batteries explode or just get really hot21:06
DocScrutinizer05it's basically impossible to do something really bad to LiIon when bq27xxx takes care about charging. Unlike in e.g. N8x021:06
loinwhen they're overcharged and their safety mechanism fails?21:06
DocScrutinizer05they can explode21:06
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DocScrutinizer05but you can't "overcharge" battery under control of the bq27xxx battery charger chip21:06
DocScrutinizer05it's technically impossible21:07
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loinadnd the bq27xxxx chip never fails?21:08
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SpeedEvilAnd there is a safety circuit inside teh battery21:18
SpeedEvilIn that event21:18
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loini hope you're right and i don't explode my fone21:19
loinbreaking whatever is in the vecinity21:19
fignewloin: yea, I've run chrooted archlinux. was nice21:21
loinfignew, why'd you stop?21:21
fignewreflashed (new N9)21:22
fignewnever unlocked it (you have to get rid of agieas(sp))21:22
loini don't know what to do with my n9 and i thought that running a full "linux" on it would be a good use21:22
loinif it actually works on it21:22
fignewgetting a GeeksPhone peak+ to replace my N921:22
loinand not just sandboxed in some app21:23
fignewgetting tired of the bugs21:23
loinfignew, i got a nexus4 so the n9 is just aging at this point, might as well use it for something other than paperweight21:23
fignewyea, i've considered the same21:23
fignewit won't explode if it's always plugged in BTW ;)21:24
loini hope you're right21:34
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RzRany hackers for http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware/Phones ?22:42
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