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teleshoeshey i need a firmware pr1.3 > 00620:55
teleshoesanyone know where i could grab one?20:55
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teleshoeshey man thx20:58
teleshoesthey dont have the version strings in em20:59
teleshoesso i cant tell which to dl20:59
Lava_Croftlook at your SIM door20:59
teleshoesi dont wanna install the localized fw20:59
Lava_Croftyou want worldwide?20:59
Lava_Croftyou want 001 then20:59
teleshoesbut its already localized on pr1.320:59
teleshoescant do it20:59
teleshoesit came 'new'20:59
teleshoesbut with 006 pr1.320:59
teleshoesyea, theyre dicks21:00
Lava_Crofti think its still not possible to go from 006 to 001, yeah :\21:00
teleshoescourse not21:00
teleshoesi think i remember someone having this problem21:00
teleshoesand finding an 00921:00
Lava_Croftquite a few folks have had it21:00
teleshoesthat was worldwide-ish21:00
Lava_Croftbut yeah, these archives arent named handy in that regard21:01
Lava_Croftyou could try to find out which region 006 is21:01
teleshoesits uk21:01
Lava_Croftuk ireland21:01
teleshoesbut i dont wanna21:01
Lava_Croftwhy not?21:01
teleshoesi want a worldwide-ish fw21:02
Lava_Croftbut why21:02
Lava_Croftapart from maybe 'gut feeling'21:02
teleshoesits mostly that21:02
teleshoesbut its also the maps21:02
teleshoesand stuff21:02
Lava_Croftnokia maps?21:02
teleshoesoh wait, thats in the emmc img21:02
Lava_Croftyou can just download the maps from within the Maps app21:02
Lava_Croftthe 001 emmc image comes without maps21:02
teleshoesyea, the country-specific emmc images have pre-dl maps21:03
teleshoesi forgot i could still use 001 emmc21:03
Lava_Croftmaps got updated recently too21:03
Lava_Croftthe maps themselves21:03
teleshoesdidnt know21:03
Lava_Croftbut for more technical stuff concerning what to flash and what would be best to flash, i cant help you21:03
Lava_Crofti would be content with a UK image, cant be THAT bad:)21:04
teleshoesthx anyway21:04
Lava_Croftno prob21:04
teleshoesyea, and at least it wont lock me in any further21:04
teleshoesunlike trying out an 00921:04
teleshoesoh wow skeiron's fast21:04
teleshoes52mbps right now21:05
Lava_CroftIt's a godly lifesaver of a mirror21:05
teleshoesthere are a few personal repos im still missing21:05
teleshoeslike martinks21:05
Lava_Croftthere is openrepos these days21:05
Lava_Croftpeople might have moved there21:05
teleshoesyea ive been meaning to check that out21:05
teleshoessome really cool ideas floating around over there21:05
Lava_Croftme too, but it wants you to make each user a seperate 'repo'21:05
Lava_Croftwhich is completely 'out there'21:06
Lava_Croftto put it mildly21:06
teleshoesoh is it?21:06
teleshoesthat sounds reasonable to me21:06
Lava_Crofti rather have all shit in one big repo21:06
teleshoeswell, that doesnt make sense21:06
Lava_Croftits easier for me21:06
teleshoesi mean, package dependencies would be impossible to manage21:06
teleshoesyea, but your safety is decreased21:06
teleshoesi mean safety from unstable packages21:07
teleshoesif each is in its own little bubble21:07
Lava_Croftyeah, but this is maemo we are talking about, not android21:07
Lava_Crofti know its a saner solution right now21:07
Lava_Croftbut im a lazy dumb end user!21:07
teleshoesheh, package repos are not the most user-friendly thing21:07
teleshoesreally, tho, the soln21:08
teleshoesis to just make finding and adding repos easy21:08
teleshoesyou wanna install AppX, you should be able to do a repo lookup and auto-add from your phone21:08
Lava_Croftits a no-brainer to add a button to a website that adds a repo21:09
teleshoeswell, assuming your app has root privs21:09
teleshoesthen yea21:09
teleshoesbut someone needs to write the on-phone client first21:09
teleshoesmeanwhile, users that prefer to manage their repositories, making it so that some stay frozen how the developer had it, and some get updated weekly, or daily, etc21:10
teleshoescan do that21:10
Lava_Croftthe maemo5 system of -devel -testing and extras is lovely21:10
Lava_Croft(if it works)21:10
teleshoesand dont have to worry about new dev work breaking their stable system by interacting with other repos they dont know21:10
teleshoesyea, but thats a collab effort with a centralized official body21:11
Lava_Croftwell, devices like maemo devices will always break in the hands of certain users21:11
teleshoesdoing package resolution and qa21:11
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teleshoesugh that DL has 001 in it21:25
teleshoesugh, 006 is middle east, someone flashed the wrong image21:29
teleshoesnew my ass21:29
teleshoeshonestly looks new tho21:29
Lava_Croftoh no21:30
Lava_Croftthat sucks21:30
teleshoesi wonder how come the default lang wasnt arabic21:31
teleshoestheres no sim card in it21:31
Lava_Croftmaybe it wasnt as new as you thought21:32
Lava_Croftand he already poked at the settings?21:32
teleshoesyea, and then re-flashed the fw to make it so it looked like fresh boot21:32
teleshoesis there any way to look at battery cycle count/21:33
teleshoesaint in bmestat21:33
teleshoeslast full capacity is 140021:34
teleshoesso probably been poked around for a few hours, or had the battery replaced21:34
teleshoess'ok i guess21:34
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RzRpriviet e-yes_21:59
RzRso what are you though on ubuntu phone ?22:00
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teleshoes{isnt ubuntu phone basically android, with a custom skin and a VM 'app' thats not quite ready?}22:02
RzRyes somehow that was i ask this to our android guru e-yes_22:02
teleshoes{honestly asking, hoping it wasnt true}22:03
Lava_Croftubuntified android22:03
teleshoesi dunno where to find reliable reports about it22:04
teleshoesi used to be an ubuntu man until canonical went all NIH22:05
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Lava_Croftit doesnt really arouse me in any way22:05
Lava_Crofttheir device is also ugly22:05
teleshoesheh, i think its nicer looking than jolla22:05
Lava_Crofti mean, n900 isnt a beauty, but it doesnt annoy me22:06
teleshoesjolla phones look like andies candies22:06
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teleshoeswhich are delicious!22:06
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Lava_Croftblack cover and done22:06
Lava_Crofti like their design, love the modular look22:07
teleshoes=> weird and gimmicky, imo22:07
Lava_Croftits not N9 though...22:07
e-yes_RzR, salut22:07
Lava_Croftfor now its gimmicky, yes22:07
Lava_Croftthe future will have to prove them wrong about the other half22:07
Lava_Croftwe right22:08
teleshoeswhat else could it be in future?22:08
Lava_Crofti mean right, not wrong22:08
Lava_Croftwell, they might be able to do more than coloured covers22:08
Lava_Crofti and probably every other maemo user just wants a hardware keyboard:P22:09
teleshoeswhat, stick rfids in them and use them as unlock codes for non-libre software?22:09
e-yes_RzR, yes, there is a port of FF OS to N922:09
teleshoes{b2g was mostly unusable last i tried it}22:09
teleshoes{but considerable progress in short time}22:09
teleshoesjolla phone doesnt have a hw keyboard22:10
teleshoeshaving a removable back cover does not suggest that it ever will22:10
Lava_Crofthence the might22:15
teleshoesi dont follow, its just a piece of plastic22:15
teleshoesanyone could already make a good keyboard case22:15
teleshoesif they felt like it22:15
Lava_Croftexcept its market would be small22:16
teleshoesthis wouldve been true with or without the super-special removable back cover22:16
teleshoesoh good point22:16
Lava_Croftso its not a wise choice22:16
teleshoesbut jolla could ALSO have made its own in-house kb case22:16
Lava_Croftat least not for jolla, with their intentions22:16
teleshoeswith or without the super-special removable back cover22:16
Lava_Croftthey still *might*22:16
Lava_Croftbut its a small company22:16
Lava_Croftits not nokia22:17
teleshoesmy point is merely that the Other Half is completely unrelated to keyboards22:17
teleshoesalthough it may be relevant to a kb-case's marketing campaign22:17
Lava_Croftits completely relevant22:19
Lava_Croftthe other half is kind of meant as an invitation to think a bit outside of the box22:19
Lava_Croftthis is their 'first' implementation of their other half idea22:20
teleshoesmeh ok22:20
Lava_Croftthey just dont have the size/power/money/muscle to do more than this atm22:20
Lava_Croftits already quite a feat that they have this device incoming, given their short timeframe22:20
Lava_Croftthey work faster than nokia:)22:20
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teleshoesthey have mer and everyone else who ever worked on meego22:21
Lava_Croftand im a sucker for maemo folk, a lot of the jolla people come from maemo/meego22:21
teleshoesand basically are everyone important from nokia22:21
Lava_Croftthese are good folk, not PR bastards22:21
Lava_Croftbasically, they have my trust22:21
Lava_Croftits worth nothing and could easily be proven wrong, of course:)22:22
teleshoeswell, they dont quite have my trust22:22
Lava_Croftive already been burned with 2 maemo devices22:22
teleshoesbut they certainly have my money22:22
Lava_Croftthird time's a charm, right22:22
teleshoesand will be receiving more of it any time they ask22:22
Lava_Croftso i hope this time i buy a maemo device that actually dies before its official support is ended22:22
Lava_Croftmaemo/meego whatever22:22
teleshoesofficial shmofficial22:23
Lava_Croftmy n900 went EOL before its 2y warranty ended22:23
teleshoesmy n900 is still a champ22:23
teleshoeslove that thing to pieces22:23
Lava_Croftthe n9's gathering dust again:<22:23
teleshoeslike everyone else22:23
teleshoesn9 is so pretty22:23
teleshoesplus n900 is rilly slo22:24
Lava_Croftrunning at 850mhz, its doable22:24
Lava_Croftworse is the fact that the world and its websites and apis change22:24
teleshoesi think i ran mine at 95022:24
teleshoeswith cssu and maemo community22:24
Lava_Croftand n900 hw dies22:24
teleshoesits like the single best supported device on the planet22:24
Lava_Croftparts run out:\22:25
teleshoestru dat22:25
teleshoesjust solder the usb port proactively22:25
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Lava_Croftmine's fine22:25
teleshoesoh it wont be22:25
Lava_Crofti've never had trouble with any of the 3 n900's i had22:25
Lava_Croftit still is after all these years22:26
Lava_Croftits pretty firmly attached22:26
teleshoesi waited until after it broke to fix it22:26
teleshoeswas v. unpleasant22:26
Lava_Crofti did another, easier thing22:26
Lava_Crofti removed all the 'teeth' from usb cables22:27
teleshoesyea, thats also an option,22:27
teleshoesbut then when youre tethered on the train22:27
teleshoesor charging at night and check the time22:27
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teleshoesbetween wifi, removable scud batteries, and bl-5j desktop chargers, you never actually need to plug it in22:28
Lava_CroftDT-33 desktop charger is lovely22:28
Lava_Croftbatteries i use polarcell, 1500+mah22:28
teleshoesyea, i just ordered two of them22:28
teleshoesnot two hours ago22:28
teleshoesmy scuds are tired22:28
teleshoesi was hoping to get two more of them, but they seem to have disappeared22:29
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teleshoeshey anyone know where qmlmozbrowser got to?23:08
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teleshoesoh openrepos, cool23:10
RzRis it usable ?23:13
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