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Jonni | loin: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/harmattan-sdk-sources.list | 00:31 |
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loin | thanks Jonni | 00:32 |
loin | actually i downloaded all the logs of #harmattan | 00:32 |
loin | and i came accross | 00:33 |
loin | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free | 00:33 |
loin | so i added that and deb-src to the repos | 00:33 |
Jonni | and that deb-src should never be added, since that is for scratchbox only | 00:34 |
Jonni | and it doesnt match pr1.3 sources | 00:34 |
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Jonni | javispedros sources are extracted from pr1.3 source dvd | 00:35 |
loin | i just noticed that the harmattan dev sources are outdated | 00:35 |
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loin | Jonni, can anyone get the pr1.3 dvd? | 00:35 |
Jonni | loin: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/cdrom.iso | 00:36 |
loin | the original one | 00:36 |
loin | or is this it? | 00:36 |
Jonni | thats the original one | 00:36 |
loin | thank you | 00:37 |
Jonni | and if you want physical dvd media you can just email sourcecode.request@nokia.com and ask from pr1.3 dvd for opensource parts, and they will post if for you for free. | 00:37 |
Jonni | but you get it faster if you just download the iso | 00:38 |
loin | i did email them | 00:38 |
loin | but all i got was an automated respone | 00:38 |
loin | saying that i need to mail them | 00:38 |
loin | Please note that only written requests are accepted. We do not reply to requests by e-mail. | 00:39 |
Jonni | ohwell atleast they accepted by email last time I asked for the dvd | 00:39 |
Jonni | but ofcourse they might have changed the policy | 00:40 |
loin | did you ever modify a package? | 00:40 |
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loin | thanks for the links :) | 00:46 |
loin | link | 00:46 |
MohammadAG | You dont modify a package in the same sense that you modify an apk | 00:59 |
MohammadAG | You modify source and build from that using scratchbox | 00:59 |
MohammadAG | loin: in any case this is unmodified tree https://github.com/harmattan/unrestricted-system-ui/tree/cd3d11d689154a52046b45df6ebecd6d314af0ca | 01:01 |
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zezazezo | hallo | 06:54 |
bef0rd | hi | 06:55 |
zezazezo | can you help me for whatsapp | 06:56 |
zezazezo | for n9 | 06:57 |
zezazezo | i cant dawnload to my phone | 06:58 |
zezazezo | i am vist the wepsite wazapp.im | 06:59 |
zezazezo | but not come dawn load | 07:00 |
bef0rd | let me se | 07:00 |
zezazezo | ok | 07:01 |
bef0rd | http://t.co/kcW296vXeC | 07:02 |
bef0rd | try that one | 07:02 |
zezazezo | ok | 07:02 |
bef0rd | it comes from tgalal twitter | 07:02 |
bef0rd | https://twitter.com/tgalal | 07:02 |
zezazezo | its not complete | 07:03 |
bef0rd | it is the last version, if you have problem downloading it get it on a pc, try to use a different network connection etc | 07:04 |
bef0rd | the download works here | 07:04 |
zezazezo | ok the proplem in my phone | 07:05 |
bef0rd | you can download it on a PC and transfer it to your phone | 07:05 |
zezazezo | how | 07:05 |
bef0rd | you have never connected the n9 to a computer? | 07:06 |
zezazezo | yes i connectd | 07:06 |
bef0rd | copy the .deb ther, use a file manager like filebox and double tap the file | 07:07 |
zezazezo | tell me where i give the file | 07:07 |
zezazezo | ok thanks i try and tell you whats happen | 07:09 |
zezazezo | thank you so much | 07:09 |
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loin | MohammadAG, i always build from scratch when using android, but when i asked Jonni if he ever modified a package i asked because i wanted to know 1. how does one get the modified package on the phone; 2. how do you safely test it before getting it on the phone | 08:18 |
bef0rd | inception or openmode allows you to overwrite system packages | 08:25 |
bef0rd | but there is always the risk of reboot loops, I don't know how to fix them without reflashing but I know its somehow possible | 08:26 |
loin | can't i override without inception or openmode? | 08:26 |
bef0rd | no | 08:27 |
bef0rd | aegis | 08:27 |
bef0rd | ~aegis | 08:27 |
infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 08:27 |
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loin | bef0rd, so i take it open mode and inception use a different package manager than aegis? | 08:32 |
bef0rd | no | 08:32 |
bef0rd | openmode kinda disables aegis completly, inception uses a security flaw to take control of it, allowing you to disable its features if you want to | 08:33 |
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loin | which one do you run? | 08:35 |
bef0rd | package manager has nothing to do, it's just security measures in the OS, you still generate a deb, install it with dpkg or whatever | 08:35 |
bef0rd | none at the moment | 08:35 |
bef0rd | oh lies, I have nitdroid so openmode | 08:35 |
loin | so if i can install the deb, why do i need openmode | 08:36 |
bef0rd | security measures? | 08:37 |
bef0rd | they won't let you replace system's packages | 08:37 |
bef0rd | if you do, it will end up in MALF mode | 08:37 |
loin | no one wants malf | 08:37 |
bef0rd | yea, once you reboot the system won't start | 08:37 |
loin | do i need the openmode kernel | 08:39 |
loin | if i want openmode? | 08:39 |
bef0rd | ~openmode | 08:39 |
bef0rd | uhm | 08:39 |
bef0rd | well yea, you need it | 08:39 |
loin | i don't want to void my warranty :( | 08:40 |
bef0rd | inception then? | 08:40 |
bef0rd | you can always flash to stock ROm | 08:40 |
bef0rd | ROm | 08:40 |
bef0rd | ROM | 08:40 |
loin | inception doesn't void the warranty? | 08:40 |
bef0rd | it's just software | 08:41 |
bef0rd | if you use inception to overclock etc | 08:41 |
bef0rd | then yes, you may break your device | 08:41 |
loin | i don't want to overclock | 08:42 |
loin | the battery sucks as it is | 08:42 |
bef0rd | but as I said, even if you use openmode you can still go back to stock ROM | 08:43 |
bef0rd | not rom, stock system | 08:43 |
bef0rd | some say there is a flag that gets written when you flash, I don't know | 08:43 |
loin | i think inception is down | 08:44 |
loin | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 08:45 |
bef0rd | yea long time, find a mirror | 08:45 |
thedead1440 | inception mirror: http://www.robertocolistete.net/MaemoMeeGo/EasyDebian/inception.zip | 08:55 |
loin | thanks thedead1440 | 09:01 |
thedead1440 | np | 09:02 |
loin | ok i think the phone is incepted | 09:09 |
loin | when overriding a system deb | 09:10 |
loin | do changes occur immediately or do they need a reboot | 09:10 |
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loin | i downloaded MohammadAG's unrestricted-system-ui | 09:30 |
loin | does anyone know how to build it? | 09:30 |
loin | from source | 09:30 |
thedead1440 | loin: once you incept a package it takes effect immediately unless that package specifically requires a reboot... | 09:45 |
loin | thedead1440, i'm trying to build the deb from source, not install the 'binary' deb | 09:46 |
thedead1440 | oh mine was a reply to >> <loin> do changes occur immediately or do they need a reboot<< | 09:46 |
loin | thedead1440, a, thank you | 09:47 |
thedead1440 | iirc dpkg-buildpackage is enough to build it from MAG's source | 09:47 |
loin | i was wondering because on android if you push systemui, it doesn't automatically come back up | 09:47 |
loin | unless you reboot it (or killall system_server) | 09:48 |
thedead1440 | yeah you would need to restart the process most probably too although iirc the restart is only required when installing plugins to unrestricted sys-ui not for the unres sys-ui itself | 09:48 |
loin | thanks | 09:51 |
loin | thedead1440, dpkg-buildpackage? i'm supposed to build it from the phone? | 10:00 |
bef0rd | standard building procedures apply | 10:02 |
bef0rd | scratchbox environment | 10:02 |
loin | bef0rd, i never really built a deb package | 10:04 |
loin | are there any tutorials online | 10:07 |
loin | for building with this scratchbox thing? | 10:07 |
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bef0rd | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK.html | 10:11 |
loin | bef0rd, ah, that, if i remember correctly the installation would fail at some point | 10:18 |
loin | but let me try again | 10:18 |
thedead1440 | loin: what you can do is on your PC's /etc/hosts add a line for scratchbox.org 213.128.137.24 | 10:20 |
thedead1440 | that would allow the installation to not fail ;) | 10:20 |
loin | thedead1440, thanks, it seems to be downloading | 10:28 |
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MohammadAG | loin: killall sysuid | 11:36 |
MohammadAG | And dpkg-buildpackage is indeed enough | 11:37 |
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MohammadAG | For installation you need to incept the package only because its from another source | 11:38 |
loin | MohammadAG, thanks | 11:38 |
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loin | right now i'm still downloading the thing | 11:38 |
loin | once i have it i just go in the folder and dpkg-buildpackage? | 11:38 |
loin | that will create a deb file that i transfer to the phone, right? | 11:38 |
loin | don't i need to set any environmental variables or anything? | 11:39 |
loin | also, can i safely test this in an emulator before deploying to the phone? | 11:39 |
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Jonni | in scratchbox you run: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 11:43 |
loin | cant' wait until scratchbox is installed :D | 11:44 |
Jonni | and some people use inception to install packages from unknown sources, I personally have just patched dpkg to allow AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN, so I can install unknown origin packages without ever using inception. | 11:44 |
loin | i think the sdk froze :( | 11:45 |
loin | Downloading 224935484.0/803201832.0 bytes (28%) | 11:45 |
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loin | i don't have targets | 12:27 |
loin | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707183/ | 12:27 |
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loin | Jonni, are you still here? | 12:38 |
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ladoga | loin: i don't get it | 13:21 |
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loin | ladoga, installing the targets failed | 13:21 |
loin | i'm in the process of trying again right now | 13:22 |
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ladoga | i see...too bad it's gone to this. when i installed scratchbox (many moons ago) all went smooth | 13:24 |
loin | well, now x86 failed but armel passed | 13:26 |
loin | i only need armel anyway | 13:27 |
loin | let me try building sytemui | 13:27 |
loin | i only bought the n9 like a a week ago | 13:27 |
loin | brand new | 13:27 |
ladoga | you might need to reboot for scratchbox to start properly. iirc | 13:28 |
ladoga | for the first time that is | 13:28 |
loin | i did that alraedy | 13:29 |
loin | something keeps filling up by root partition | 13:29 |
ladoga | and you managed to switch to armel target with $ sb-conf se HARMATTAN_ARMEL | 13:29 |
ladoga | ? | 13:29 |
ladoga | or maybe you only have that one | 13:30 |
ladoga | normally both HARMATTAN_X86 and HARMATTAN_ARMEL get installed | 13:30 |
loin | ladoga, i know, but mine keep failing because not enough space | 13:30 |
loin | i switched with sb-menu | 13:32 |
ladoga | i followed these steps (ignore the packaging part, better look for proper tutorials for that) http://wiki.maemo.org/Deb_packaging_for_noobs | 13:36 |
ladoga | harmattan uses standard deb packages anyway so there's plenty | 13:36 |
loin | well, i'm currently building systemui | 13:38 |
loin | the unrestricted one | 13:39 |
loin | that way i can check if it worked | 13:39 |
loin | i believe i should be getting the safe mode notification thing | 13:39 |
Corsac | loin: it's installed in /scratchbox so unless you move that elsewhere... | 13:39 |
loin | Corsac, thanks, i''m not sure how, but i found it there | 13:40 |
loin | i was wondering how i move files inside scratchbox | 13:40 |
loin | but i found where the folders are | 13:40 |
loin | and moved them there | 13:40 |
loin | before scratchbox-ing | 13:40 |
loin | and now i'm building ... | 13:40 |
ladoga | :) | 13:40 |
loin | in harmattan_armel | 13:40 |
loin | i hope i get the correct installable deb file for my phone | 13:41 |
loin | and that i don't get bootloops | 13:41 |
loin | no one wants boot loops | 13:41 |
ladoga | i suggest open mode ...no need to update refhashlist when changing some system files (like with inception) | 13:43 |
loin | reflashlist? | 13:43 |
ladoga | aegis keeps tracks of files | 13:44 |
loin | doesn't the inception command automatically update that list | 13:44 |
Corsac | ladoga: doesn't open mode prevent you to use anything credentials-related? | 13:45 |
ladoga | track* compares them to hashes in /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist | 13:46 |
ladoga | and if it doesnt match locks the file | 13:46 |
ladoga | so there's good chance of malfing the device | 13:48 |
ladoga | with openmode you can just modify stuff in /etc (or anywhere) at will, no problem | 13:48 |
ladoga | Corsac: like? | 13:49 |
loin | ladoga, i successfully built system-ui_1.3.2-1+0m8_armel.deb | 13:49 |
loin | do i need to know anything about that refhashlist thing before i flash it? | 13:49 |
loin | install it* | 13:50 |
ladoga | i haven't used modified system-ui so no idea what it does | 13:51 |
loin | is there anything i should know about refhash list | 13:52 |
loin | because you brought it up | 13:52 |
loin | not sure if i should be concerned about it | 13:52 |
ladoga | wasn't related to this really | 13:53 |
ladoga | you just asked about inception and openmode earlier | 13:53 |
ladoga | i have one phone using each | 13:53 |
ladoga | so just decided to state my opinion | 13:54 |
loin | well, i was concerned about the warranty thing | 13:55 |
Corsac | ladoga: like account credentials etc. | 13:55 |
ladoga | it's just software so doesn't affect warranty | 13:55 |
ladoga | Corsac: all work for me | 13:56 |
ladoga | but i think you have to do clean flash | 13:58 |
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ladoga | accounts created on normal mode don't work in open mode | 13:58 |
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ladoga | if you flash emmc (user partition) and only create accounts when booted to open mode it works just the same as is normal mode | 14:01 |
ladoga | only difference i know of is that device lock code doesn't work in open mode | 14:01 |
Corsac | ha. | 14:03 |
loin | i can build unrestricted systemui but not the source system ui | 14:04 |
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ladoga | as in* | 14:08 |
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ladoga | but i never used the lock code anyway, so nothing lost | 14:09 |
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loin | hi, i'm not sure if this is qml related, i have this source http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707596/, i want to add a 1px line above this layout, to achieve this i was thinking that instead of returning layout, i should return a new QGraphicsLinearLayout (vertical) to which i add the 1px line element and then the layout itself | 15:54 |
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coderus | bef0rd: loin: better way is making simple application staying on top. as in android. | 21:59 |
loin | coderus, i pretty much have everything figured out | 22:00 |
loin | except that i can't find a good component | 22:00 |
loin | to use | 22:00 |
loin | i tried QGraphicsWidget | 22:00 |
loin | coderus, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5708537/ | 22:00 |
loin | either i'm not using qgraphicswidget right | 22:01 |
loin | or there's something else at fault here | 22:01 |
loin | but i thought what i wrote was correct | 22:01 |
loin | a widget holding a rectangle that is 300 x 1 | 22:02 |
coderus | this is system-ui part, you will se it only when status bar visible. you don't like percentage text? :) | 22:02 |
loin | coderus, i just like the line much better :) | 22:02 |
coderus | aha, i see. | 22:02 |
loin | can you tell what is wrong with my usage of q graphics widget? | 22:03 |
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coderus | i think you should create QGraphicsObject and set it child of root QWidget and it will be showed | 22:03 |
loin | coderus, worth a shot :) | 22:05 |
loin | by the way, is the telephony api opensource? | 22:05 |
loin | i want to make my phone vibrate onAnswer and onHangup | 22:05 |
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loin | turns out i can't just create a new qgraphicsobject for some reason | 22:13 |
loin | i suspect it's an abstract class | 22:13 |
loin | thank you for the hint coderus, i'll look into it some more tomorrow :) | 22:16 |
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