| xavinux | knowledge of Debian and Centos | 00:00 |
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| valdur55 | juiceme: how can i check rev info? | 00:00 |
| juiceme | Jonni, is it possible there are differences in the BME hardware? | 00:00 |
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| Jonni | juiceme: no idea, I really didnt follow the hw components that closely. | 00:02 |
| juiceme | xavinux, I myself have similar background, except I am more into kernel tweaks than apps. Have done 2 packages for debian, ever :) | 00:02 |
| juiceme | valdur55, do cat /proc/cpuinfo, the revision is fifth last row there... | 00:03 |
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| juiceme | Jonni, it just looks suspicious that all of those "connect charger" problems have happened to rev. 1603 devices... | 00:04 |
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| juiceme | The sampls space is small of course, bu I know at least several 1501 and 1601 devices that work correctly... | 00:06 |
| juiceme | s/sampls/sample/ | 00:06 |
| infobot | juiceme meant: The sample space is small of course, bu I know at least several 1501 and 1601 devices that work correctly... | 00:06 |
| xavinux | juiceme: ok so may I help with sometihing? | 00:06 |
| valdur55 | juiceme: please give it with grep :D | 00:06 |
| valdur55 | Oh got it: Revision : 1507 | 00:07 |
| juiceme | valdur55, do you have 16G or 64G version? | 00:07 |
| valdur55 | 16G | 00:07 |
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| juiceme | valdur55, 1507 I have not seen anybody try yet. Have you tried ubiboot with it? | 00:08 |
| valdur55 | and mt4 was ok but l2fix kernel didn't work and i had problem with 0% battery | 00:09 |
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| juiceme | valdur55, ahh too bad, there goes my theory on problems being just with 1603 | 00:10 |
| juiceme | Did you try Harmattan with other kernels (vanilla open mode, Nithdroid PR13..?) | 00:11 |
| valdur55 | When i flashed to l2f then it booted | 00:11 |
| valdur55 | when i used it with ubiboot, then i got BSOD | 00:12 |
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| valdur55 | Black Screen of Death after bootmenu | 00:12 |
| valdur55 | And i booted nicely nitroid's kernel. | 00:13 |
| Jonni | if it doesnt reboot it is not a bsod, its just impatient people :) | 00:13 |
| juiceme | I mean, when you boot from biboot to 2nd stage, did you try other kernels also, or just l2fix? | 00:13 |
| valdur55 | yep. i used others and it didn't allways work. | 00:13 |
| juiceme | Jonni, the problem with that is that people cannot see that something is happening there | 00:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: you alive again | 00:13 |
| Jonni | juiceme: well yes, its a shame that serial consoles are not videly avail | 00:14 |
| valdur55 | juiceme: yea. this is big problem.... Please print some info about kernel hooking etc... | 00:14 |
| valdur55 | when it is possible... | 00:14 |
| juiceme | I just have to get some 1603 or similar device and see for myself what the battery error looks like... | 00:15 |
| juiceme | valdur55, I am looking at this idea of hooking up serial console to AUX line. | 00:16 |
| juiceme | Then, I caould just ask people to connect their headphone line to a linux PC's MIC in and run a SW there to demodulate the output to see the boot log. | 00:17 |
| valdur55 | interesting. | 00:18 |
| juiceme | Ya, it is way easier than opening up your device, soldering wires to serial pads and hooking up rs232 level shifter to you computers serial port :) | 00:19 |
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| juiceme | What it needs is a patch to kernel to switch on the audio out, and modulate the console output to there. | 00:20 |
| juiceme | on the receiving end a simple demodulator SW to get ccleartext out | 00:21 |
| juiceme | I'd imagine 19200bps should be possible even as the aux out has lowpass filtering... | 00:22 |
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| Jonni | well actually it doesnt require opening up the device, it only requires removing sim card, and connection to tx rx pins that are in simslot, but yes still hard enough | 00:24 |
| juiceme | Jonni, that so? I thought the pads are so far inside they are not directly reachable... | 00:27 |
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| xavinux | juiceme: may I help with sometihing needed from the harmattan core? | 00:27 |
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| juiceme | xavinux, are you familiar with audio modulation / demodulation algorithms? I could use help with that... | 00:31 |
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| xavinux | sorry, no. But if it can be useful can start reading about it | 00:33 |
| juiceme | thanks : | 00:34 |
| Jonni | juiceme: http://oi46.tinypic.com/oiyz5w.jpg J2083=RX J2084=TX you can basicly see the connectors when you look inside to simslot. | 00:36 |
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| xavinux | anything where can I contribute, with harmattan core? | 00:36 |
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| juiceme | Jonni, thanks, I will check it on my device. The levels are ttl, right, so I need to hook up MAX232 or something like that? | 00:40 |
| Jonni | yeah you will be needing ttl like max232 | 00:40 |
| juiceme | last time I did that was loooong time ago, with my 8110 if I remember correctly :) | 00:41 |
| Jonni | and when serial-console is enabled by flasher then its 115200, 8n1, no flow control, if you ever happen to get so far :) | 00:42 |
| juiceme | thanks :) | 00:43 |
| Jonni | I was thinking someday to make instructions with pics, but my freetime is quite limited, as I have million other projects to do aswell :) | 00:45 |
| juiceme | True, time is always limited... :) | 00:46 |
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| xavinux | juiceme: what is exactly what you need to do with audio modulation? | 00:59 |
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| Jonni | juiceme: my first version of not so beatiful custom serialsimcard(wires melted into plastic plate) http://oi50.tinypic.com/ofptd.jpg :).... later versions are a bit more professional like. | 01:01 |
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| HtheB | Can someone help me on my problem? | 01:32 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1331232#post1331232 | 01:32 |
| HtheB | My device is acting very strange | 01:32 |
| HtheB | even after flashing, same error after some time | 01:32 |
| HtheB | (it says Application data - Not available in mass storage mode ) | 01:33 |
| HtheB | I can't install anything because it says that the device doesnt have enough space | 01:33 |
| HtheB | but the phone isn't even connected? | 01:33 |
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| nanashi_ | an icon the skydrive app ( skyfiles pro). thank u. | 01:39 |
| nanashi_ | the default icon doesn't blend at all | 01:42 |
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| RevDNS | Hi Geeks, i saw the post on Maemo Talk that someone do downgrade of the Nokia N9 firmware. Anyone know how to do that ? | 13:19 |
| ladoga | no idea, but maybe check IRC logs http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/search?q=downgrade | 13:31 |
| ladoga | i too remember someone talking about it | 13:32 |
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| RevDNS | ladoga: Ok, I'll read it, thanks | 13:38 |
| RevDNS | I found post where someone said that itsnotabigtruck from this channel do downgrade of N9. I hope its true :) | 13:39 |
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| rhkfin | What was the reason that developer mode installation fails on WLAN but works on 3G? | 14:47 |
| thedead1440 | rhkfin: there is no reason; it works on either connection | 14:47 |
| rhkfin | I think I've seen the same on both times I've flashed.. I guess it can also be my WLAN/DLS connection.. | 14:48 |
| Jonni | RevDNS: well I know howto downgrade, but I promised not to give that info out. :) | 14:48 |
| thedead1440 | rhkfin: could be; maybe something your ISP is blocking | 14:49 |
| rhkfin | weird | 14:49 |
| rhkfin | But 3g works so no worries | 14:49 |
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| RevDNS | Jonni: Ok, no problem, if you know any method then its possible, so i'm happy to hear that :) | 14:52 |
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| Jonni | RevDNS: well yes its possible, but its quite unlikely that exploit is ever released to public. | 15:01 |
| RevDNS | Jonni: So, i should have no hope to get this exploit ? I really want to have PR 1.1 i just love this version. When i bought N9 has this version of firmware :) | 15:09 |
| Tronic | Jonni: I suppose it has security implications such as changing IMEI? | 15:10 |
| Tronic | I've seen some developers accidentally zero their IMEI, and someone actually getting under criminal investigation for (apparently accidental) use of zero IMEI. | 15:12 |
| Tronic | (the last part might've been some non-Nokia handset) | 15:12 |
| Jonni | Tronic: well it doesnt allow changing imei, that one is protected deep in modem side. | 15:12 |
| RevDNS | Jonni: it's possible to find this exploit somewhere on the net ? | 15:14 |
| Tronic | RevDNS: If it is not released to the public, then no. | 15:14 |
| Jonni | RevDNS: nope, it has never been available in the evil internet. | 15:14 |
| Jonni | and pr1.1 is really buggy, so you should just love pr1.3 :) | 15:15 |
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| Jonni | (and if there were some softwares that you loved in pr1.1, you can just extract them from 1.1 image, and copy them to pr1.3 (and opensh/adrian sign refhashlist)) | 15:17 |
| Jonni | personally I just use pr1.3 everywhere even if I can downgrade. | 15:18 |
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| RevDNS | Jonni: it's true, but not everything working stable, and fully working. I think about sell my phone and buy n9 with oldest firmware it is simplest way to have pr 1.1 :) | 15:21 |
| Jonni | well yes thats simplest way to have pr1.1 | 15:21 |
| RevDNS | Jonni: There is one thing that let me thinking about this exploit. On the net are many of hacking software, so why this exploit isn't share public :) | 15:25 |
| RevDNS | I don't belive to exist exploit to do downgrade, if this exist propobly will be on the net :) | 15:29 |
| Tronic | I consider the hacking argument invalid to start with. That's what they use for justifying UEFI Secure Boot, too. | 15:29 |
| RevDNS | Ok end of topic | 15:29 |
| Jonni | because nobody wants to downgrade to shitty pr release :) | 15:29 |
| Tronic | Yet, on PC there are virtually no BIOS level rootkit/viruses at all. They are using a heavy-weight solution to attack a nil problem. | 15:29 |
| Tronic | The real reason for secure bootloaders is of course not the fear of rootkits but the desire for vendor lock-in. | 15:30 |
| RevDNS | Jonni: Type on google: downgrade N9, many users of N9 wanna downgrade :) | 15:30 |
| Tronic | Possibly also to create strong DRM systems. | 15:30 |
| Jonni | RevDNS: well and yes many people want to downgrade their PS3's too :) | 15:30 |
| Tronic | Wasn't PS3 fully hacked and master keys publicly released already? | 15:31 |
| Jonni | almost fully hacked, and hardware downgrade dongles are avail. | 15:31 |
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| * RevDNS Searching the auction pages for N9 with the old firmware, brb | 15:35 | |
| RevDNS | I have idea, there is Android OS on N9, it using multiboot loader, so maybe i able to install pr 1.1 next to pr 1.3 :) | 15:37 |
| Tronic | I don't think so, at least not unless PR1.1 is installed in "open mode". | 15:40 |
| Tronic | Still not sure what the limitations of the open mode are, in addition to a warning on phone startup. | 15:41 |
| Tronic | I always preferred the Inception way. | 15:41 |
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| RevDNS | I love how the N9 intergrate contact from phone with this from IM, but in Poland we use Gadu-Gadu, and these contact lost after restart connection, and need to write in contact list again... :( | 16:05 |
| RevDNS | And PR1.1 have nice small fonts, and white background of update apps, status center etc. | 16:06 |
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| dm8tbr | RevDNS: for GG and a couple of other protocols I simply use XMPP transports. works great for me. | 16:36 |
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| thedead1440 | RevDNS: pr1.3 has its issues but don't waste $ going after a pr1.1 device. A number of apps are pr1.2/1.3 compatible only... For the issues you can work-around them. F.e. fonts is covered here well: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1173710&postcount=6 (instead of using Nokia RDA you can extract from a pr1.1 image too). For the backgrounds I'm pretty sure if you spend some minutes in base/blanco theme folders you would know the image | 16:40 |
| thedead1440 | locations and can replace them from pr1.1 images or custom images | 16:40 |
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| Jonni | RevDNS: sure you can multiboot to pr1.1 rootfs with ubiboot | 16:48 |
| Jonni | or ofcourse you can install pr1.1 small fonts etc on top of pr1.3 image. | 16:49 |
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| RevDNS | dm8tbr: Yes, but in XMPP people out of your contact list cant write to you :( | 17:43 |
| RevDNS | Jonni: Could you tell me how to do that with Ubiboot ? It's interesting | 17:44 |
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| RevDNS | thedead1440: It's fact, that many apps won't run on PR 1.1. For me, i using only system apps, like IM, browser, camera... no nonsystem apps | 17:45 |
| RevDNS | Jonni: if you have the patience to me, write for me small instructions how to install pr 1.1 next to pr 1.3 via ubiboot, i will be very grateful | 17:49 |
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| dm8tbr | RevDNS: always worked for me with GG transport. had interesting 'random' people message me | 17:53 |
| thedead1440 | RevDNS: in stock apps except for fonts and backgrounds what else is better in pr1.1 than pr1.3? Really weird that you would buy a new phone with an old FW for some obscure reason... But then its each to their own :D | 17:55 |
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| RevDNS | thedead1440: Really want old appearance. And maybe i suppose, but pr1.1 was faster ? :) | 18:33 |
| thedead1440 | lol pr1.1 was only a small update whose main feature was the addition of music controls on lockscreen :D Like mentioned earlier appearance features you can apply on pr1.3 too but go-ahead with a new device if you so wish :) | 18:35 |
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| Jonni | thats a myth, it wasnt any faster, most likely bugfixes in pr1.3 makes it faster. Getting pr1.1 backgrounds and smaller fonts is easily done with css changes | 18:35 |
| RevDNS | Ok, i can change fonts cos i done it before last update to pr 1.3. But i cant change backgrounds of the apps. I have done with status center, moving from pr 1.1 to pr 1.2 but its isnt fully working. | 18:37 |
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| RevDNS | Jonni: Install secound Harmattan via Ubiboot is simple ? | 18:41 |
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| Jonni | RevDNS: just like installing nemo, extract rootfs and and corresponding kernel... and edit fstab accordingly.. most likely | 18:45 |
| Jonni | as easy as getting small fonts into pr1.3 | 18:45 |
| RevDNS | Jonni: I know, you all have right, but i remeber when i changing in hex editor timestep etc. and it was flashed by this, but with error, so its my little wish to back to pr1.1. :) | 18:47 |
| RevDNS | Ok, i put my phone in charger, i will install pr 1.1 next to pr 1.3 today, if i have a question can i write to you, Jonni ? | 18:54 |
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| suosaaski | so, how secure is bt? is it preferred over the crap wep encryption offered by n9 for internet sharing? and is it secure to keep bt on all the time if it set to be nonvisible? | 21:48 |
| suosaaski | and hows the batterylife bt vs wlan? | 21:49 |
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| rhkfin | Where do i find a non-openmode kernel zImage for N9(50) PR1.2? Did my trials with Nemo and having openmode kernel is no good for Harmattan (password storage, device lock..) | 23:01 |
| valdur55 | Use your rootfs and flag --flash-only=kenrel | 23:04 |
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| rhkfin | valdur55: I've only managed to find http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ that I'd expect flashes everything | 23:08 |
| rhkfin | I'll go with that | 23:09 |
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| valdur55 | err. i misreaded... | 23:09 |
| rhkfin | Feel free to correct yourself if you have some ideas ;) | 23:10 |
| valdur55 | do you want ho go back to normal mode? | 23:10 |
| rhkfin | yes | 23:10 |
| rhkfin | Or have I understood correctly that password storage & device lock don't work because of open mode? | 23:11 |
| valdur55 | yep. almost. | 23:11 |
| rhkfin | Would like to have working harmattan & nemo but can't sacrifice work (outlook) e-mail :/ | 23:12 |
| valdur55 | ~ aegis | 23:12 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 23:12 |
| rhkfin | HOw does aegis help me overcome this? | 23:12 |
| valdur55 | ~aegis-no-thanks | 23:13 |
| infobot | methinks aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1178281#post1178281 | 23:13 |
| rhkfin | so open mode disables aegis? | 23:13 |
| valdur55 | ~openmofe | 23:13 |
| valdur55 | ~openmode | 23:13 |
| rhkfin | :) | 23:13 |
| rhkfin | "(device lock code, however, does not work -- UI always says "code incorrect" when you try to set one) | 23:14 |
| valdur55 | read aegis-no-thanks liks | 23:14 |
| rhkfin | that's where the quote is from | 23:15 |
| rhkfin | from tmo link | 23:15 |
| rhkfin | but I will, thanks | 23:15 |
| valdur55 | yea, | 23:15 |
| rhkfin | And back to original question.. Where do I find original zImage..? | 23:15 |
| valdur55 | asd you can gec accounts working when you remove accounts, aegis etc. folders. | 23:16 |
| valdur55 | i already talked about it | 23:17 |
| valdur55 | my first response. | 23:17 |
| valdur55 | oh. ... flash mith rootf and correct flags | 23:18 |
| rhkfin | yes, and I answered to it saying I only found Linux_OCF_02-6_RM680-RM680-OEM1.bin that flashes it all | 23:18 |
| Jonni | and yes you need to flash it all to get back into secure mode | 23:22 |
| Jonni | if you flash kernel only you are still on openmode | 23:23 |
| rhkfin | Jonni: thanks, that clarifies it | 23:23 |
| Jonni | (and as a spoiler I can say that even in openmode you can have working device lock and mfe... I have it) :) | 23:23 |
| rhkfin | Gooood for you... Any pointers ;)? | 23:24 |
| Jonni | unfortunately it requires custom .deb packages, so only hope if to wait and see if someone releases them to forums someday. | 23:25 |
| valdur55 | Jonni: ane you st | 23:28 |
| valdur55 | storing device lock code in mt part? | 23:28 |
| Jonni | valdur55: storing it into aegis store. | 23:29 |
| valdur55 | Can you sgare your custom debs? :) | 23:30 |
| valdur55 | s/sgare/share/ | 23:32 |
| infobot | valdur55 meant: Can you share your custom debs? :) | 23:32 |
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| rhkfin | +1, I'm sure there are some people interested.. | 23:38 |
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