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| Aranel | looks like my devel-su root cannot write to /home/user, is it the same for everyone? | 07:31 |
| Aranel | and I wonder if there's any mirror to aegisctl. Looks like the mirror is also down. | 07:31 |
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| thedead1440 | Aranel: devel-su writes to /home/user/ only in open mode; otherwise user regular user privilleges to write to it | 07:47 |
| thedead1440 | Aranel: also rcolistete's mirror is still up: http://www.robertocolistete.net/MaemoMeeGo/EasyDebian/inception.zip | 07:49 |
| Aranel | thedead1440: oh okay, It was weird to see all kinds of errors when running a apt-get purge | 07:49 |
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| kstar | Heya folks | 09:21 |
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| kstar | Is this a place to ask user questions about the N9? | 09:22 |
| bluefox | sure | 09:22 |
| kstar | Oh, okay. So I'm having trouble with CloudGPS not being able to connect to the right Google Maps server. | 09:22 |
| kstar | Anyone with similar experiences? | 09:22 |
| bluefox | that i unfortunately can't help with but hopefully someone else might | 09:23 |
| bluefox | though you might need to idle in channel a bit for all the EU guys to wake up and read through everything | 09:23 |
| kstar | Ah, yeah. The European activity burst. | 09:23 |
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| kstar | Wow. OSM seems good enough, actually. | 09:25 |
| kstar | This phone is so awesome, I really wish there's more releases and development. | 09:26 |
| bluefox | did have a bit of an unfortunate end (at least officially) | 09:27 |
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| sledges | hello | 13:38 |
| sledges | I happens not the first time already: I get a missed call, then clear its notification, then later on I receive an SMS (e.g. this morning), and I get two notification instead of one: one of that text (correct), and another -- of that missed call of yesterday, though same timestamp as that SMS. The two events are unrelated and coming from different people. Call log does not show that missed call :{ I could not reproduce it though it happens once | 13:39 |
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| lpapp | RzR: http://paste.kde.org/~lpapp/627872/ | 14:39 |
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| lpapp | http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/12/19/qt-5-0/ | 16:08 |
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| merlin1991 | has anyone ever tried to build a recent qt 4.x and see if it has positive effects on the browser? | 16:36 |
| lpapp | merlin1991: qt4 is history. :-) | 16:37 |
| merlin1991 | but it still powers 90% of my harmattan userspace :D | 16:38 |
| lpapp | switch to more up to date system. :-D | 16:38 |
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| merlin1991 | hm, more up to date, well afaik jolla is qt4 aswell ;) | 16:39 |
| lpapp | yeah, Jolla is history too. :-D | 16:39 |
| merlin1991 | so where's my qt5 phone then? :) | 16:40 |
| Aard | merlin1991: we do work on our qt5 story, though. | 16:40 |
| sledges | Sailfish OS is mentioned in the official Qt5 video btw | 16:40 |
| lpapp | merlin1991: I kinda ported Qt5 to Harmattan. | 16:40 |
| lpapp | but there were no others helping me regardless they got phones for that. | 16:41 |
| lpapp | so I stopped that port at some point. | 16:41 |
| sledges | Qt5 works on NemoMobile nicely fwiw | 16:41 |
| lpapp | if only nemo mobile was useful for a daily phone. :-D | 16:41 |
| merlin1991 | yeah just wanted to say that | 16:41 |
| sledges | all in good times, it supports my SIM finally, so can receive phones and texts, the rest is time and Jolla's contribution together with community | 16:42 |
| Aard | sledges: there's more to qt5 usage on a phone than 'qt itself works nice', unfortunately :) | 16:42 |
| lpapp | merlin1991: perhaps the blackberry device will suit. | 16:42 |
| lpapp | Aard: hah, that is even more valid point. | 16:42 |
| sledges | Aard, I won't repeat myself ;) | 16:43 |
| * sledges but better stops trolling OT in #here :) | 16:43 | |
| merlin1991 | sledges: it's just that, there's no point in going to nemo from harm :/ | 16:44 |
| sledges | currently no, as users. but as developers (and this is the developers channel) it is completely the opposite | 16:44 |
| merlin1991 | I'll happily jump ships when nemo reaches feature parity in my eyes | 16:44 |
| sledges | very fair point from user's perspective | 16:45 |
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| merlin1991 | not everyone enjoys the possibility of having a dev only device :D | 16:47 |
| sledges | or two :D | 16:47 |
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| merlin1991 | hm I gotta find a precompiled webkit browser for win to test if it still fails at displaying my routers login form :D | 16:48 |
| lpapp | sledges: I deny that it is a developer channel. | 16:48 |
| sledges | "A place for harmattan device and development discussions" | 16:49 |
| lpapp | we share a lot of experience about platforms from user point of view as well. | 16:49 |
| merlin1991 | lpapp: we do have #n9 as user channel | 16:49 |
| lpapp | and from developer point of view: | 16:49 |
| lpapp | who cares about something unused? :D | 16:49 |
| lpapp | just by a few devs. | 16:49 |
| lpapp | merlin1991: so? | 16:49 |
| sledges | but not undeveloped? | 16:49 |
| lpapp | merlin1991: it does not alter that we share user experience here a lot. | 16:49 |
| Aard | merlin1991: it never will. camera will stop working at some point, and integrated gps might never work | 16:49 |
| merlin1991 | lpapp: so this channel kinda is more on the dev side | 16:49 |
| lpapp | merlin1991: I do not see that a contradiction with my saying. | 16:50 |
| * sledges is on RE GPS | 16:50 | |
| merlin1991 | hm no gps would suck for me, acutally no maps application with proper per country preloading would suck for me | 16:50 |
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| sledges | xmas holiday fun foreseen :) | 16:51 |
| lpapp | merlin1991: so in summary: I will give a try to the blackberry phone. | 16:52 |
| Aard | merlin1991: bluetooth gps can made working, for the internal one we're missing binary blobs (same with camera) | 16:53 |
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| lpapp | Aard: what qt5 story do you work on if I may ask? | 16:54 |
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| Aard | lpapp: better qt5 support than harmattan, at some point ;) | 16:56 |
| lpapp | Aard: which platform? | 16:56 |
| Aard | sailfish | 16:56 |
| lpapp | ah, the jolla stuff? | 16:56 |
| Aard | yes | 16:56 |
| lpapp | do not forget to give us developer devices. ;) | 16:57 |
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| lpapp | Aard: hopefully you will not be too late to blackberry. | 16:58 |
| lpapp | merlin1991: we could port Qt5 to Harmattan. | 16:59 |
| lpapp | or to be precise: continue the port with polishing it. | 16:59 |
| Aard | we're unlike bb10 ;) | 16:59 |
| lpapp | but there is no interest. :) | 16:59 |
| lpapp | Aard: pardon? | 16:59 |
| leinir | Aard: i totally see what you did there ;) | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | lpapp: the problem with qt5 to harm is, we only enable new applications, it does nothing for the existing userspace | 16:59 |
| lpapp | merlin1991: well, they can change it to qt5 | 17:00 |
| lpapp | and qtqucik2 | 17:00 |
| lpapp | qtquick2* | 17:00 |
| lpapp | the idea is a one liner change for the imports. | 17:00 |
| lpapp | we cannot overcome that magically. | 17:00 |
| lpapp | speaking of qml applications for sure. | 17:00 |
| Aard | lpapp: google 'jolla unlike' | 17:00 |
| lpapp | ah yeah, and possible also in the middleware. | 17:01 |
| lpapp | Aard: actually, jolla.com is blocked here. :p | 17:01 |
| Aard | where is 'here'? | 17:02 |
| lpapp | my company. | 17:02 |
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| lpapp | Aard: http://lpapp.blogspot.ie/2012/09/reminder-from-randa-free-playbook-for.html | 17:12 |
| Aard | lpapp: I don't really count as kde contributor, I guess :) | 17:13 |
| lpapp | Aard: that is not the point I wish to present | 17:13 |
| lpapp | .see my reply about the Jolla stuff at the bottom. :) | 17:14 |
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| dt3rm | hello | 17:23 |
| dt3rm | just testing | 17:24 |
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| dt3rm | hi pinheiro i am very new to this.. are you getting my messagea | 17:28 |
| pinheiro | yeah | 17:30 |
| dt3rm | nice... thanks i just downloaded nokia n9 IRC chatter and i am checking it out | 17:31 |
| dt3rm | works very well | 17:32 |
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| merlin1991 | hm irc 1988 interesing that people can still be new to it :D | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | s/c 1/c is from 1/ | 17:35 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: hm irc is from 1988 interesing that people can still be new to it :D | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | people are from $bignum BC, yet there are still new people born every day | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | okay mgedmin let me rephrase this, irc is from 1988 and people can be new to it using it first time on a phone | 17:36 |
| dt3rm | nicely said.. but yeah i,m new to it and loving it | 17:38 |
| pa | did i dream, or there was some thread in TMO/Somewhere else with a short tutorial for transcoding videos to something N9 compatible? | 17:41 |
| merlin1991 | x264 and you're good? | 17:47 |
| ladoga | needs to be baseline profile | 17:47 |
| merlin1991 | just make it ubercrappy 2 pass xvid, that should run xD | 17:47 |
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| ladoga | with ffmpeg -vprofile baseline works nicely | 17:48 |
| ladoga | i haven't yet used it much, only to make some time lapse videos from jpgs | 17:49 |
| ladoga | so no idea of all the flags needed for transcoding videos | 17:50 |
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| dt3rm | @tgalal great job on wazapp... keep up the good work | 18:00 |
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| pa | i always have problem resignign with wazapp when i switch sim | 18:04 |
| pa | but other than that, it's great | 18:04 |
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| pa | where was the mplayer port for N9 hosted? | 18:13 |
| pa | ah found | 18:15 |
| pa | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=42 | 18:15 |
| pa | but it's kinda old. last package from march | 18:15 |
| thedead1440 | pa: its the one that is the good enough port | 18:16 |
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| thedead1440 | there is a v2 of something like that on the web that may seem like an upgrade but in reality is worse from personal experience | 18:16 |
| pa | yes i know, but the latest svn packaging for harmattan is from march | 18:17 |
| pa | (on the garage page) | 18:17 |
| pa | sorry april | 18:18 |
| pa | 20120427 | 18:18 |
| pa | well, it's probably good enough yes | 18:18 |
| thedead1440 | yup nothing newer that that | 18:18 |
| pa | thedead1440, by the way, the only player with accelerated h264 decoder is gstreamer, right? | 18:19 |
| thedead1440 | pa: i think so; i always end up using kmplayer+gstreamer; mplayer has too much out-of-sync | 18:19 |
| pa | i see, thanks :) | 18:20 |
| thedead1440 | its also sad that ovp doesn't work properly now so there is no video player with ability to play in the background | 18:20 |
| thedead1440 | unless you downloaded via cuteTube | 18:20 |
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| ladoga | i have sync issues with some videos with mplayer..mostly flv | 18:21 |
| ladoga | but most run just fine | 18:22 |
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| thedead1440 | i have issues with mp4 too encoded for 720p base for n9; however gstreamer works fine with those videos | 18:22 |
| ladoga | why encode 720p when 480 is max vertical res? | 18:24 |
| thedead1440 | well i don't find much sense in having 2 types of videos on my laptop and phone; might as well keep only a 720p bp encoded file | 18:25 |
| ladoga | ofcourse if they are downloaded...but most aren't baseline anyway | 18:26 |
| ladoga | makes sense | 18:26 |
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| ladoga | what are you using for encoding? | 18:29 |
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| thedead1440 | ladoga: sorry i use handbrake | 18:35 |
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| thedead1440 | ladoga: also xmedia recode does a good enough job too | 18:38 |
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| pa | i will try handbrake too now, on this machine ffmpeg is too old | 18:38 |
| pa | doesnt support vprofile baseline | 18:38 |
| thedead1440 | pa: if you want a "easy-GUI" imo xmedia recode would be > than handbrake | 18:39 |
| pa | thedead1440, yes i tried it before. but i never found a proper preset | 18:40 |
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| thedead1440 | there is a preset for 720bp i got from tmo | 18:40 |
| pa | i mean i tried to encode stuff into something compatible with N9, but i always had some troubles | 18:40 |
| pa | there's nothing like "baseline" or so | 18:40 |
| thedead1440 | pa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87523 | 18:41 |
| pa | thanks | 18:41 |
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| ladoga | i had some problems with ffmpeg too..need to recompile it to include faac encoding | 18:46 |
| ladoga | whatever...atleast i get newest mplayer svn for my laptop at the same go :) | 18:47 |
| ladoga | about handbrake...yes i had the same problem, couldn't figure out how to make baseline 3.1 | 18:47 |
| thedead1440 | use xmedia recode then; its easier just load that profile, add job and execute | 18:48 |
| ladoga | thanks i'll try that if ffmpeg fails | 18:49 |
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| pa | it's only for windows, unfortunately | 18:55 |
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| thedead1440 | yes sadly | 18:56 |
| lpapp | thedead1440: does ffmpeg support the yuv decoding for lagarith algorithm? | 18:56 |
| thedead1440 | lpapp: I'm not sure but i don't think it supports it well iirc | 18:57 |
| lpapp | I have not checked in details too much. | 18:57 |
| lpapp | RGB was supported last time I checked, at least the decoding. | 18:58 |
| lpapp | thedead1440: http://ffmpeg.org/doxygen/trunk/lagarith_8c.html#afe9c84b2e17d425a42608f738f424252 | 18:58 |
| ladoga | oh ok, i have no windows boxes at home | 18:59 |
| thedead1440 | ah ok | 18:59 |
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| ladoga | pa which distro? | 19:11 |
| pa | natty | 19:11 |
| pa | i know i should update, but it always takes a week to reconfigure all the stuff, and so i never do | 19:12 |
| ladoga | yes i hated ubuntu upgrades | 19:12 |
| ladoga | always something breaking | 19:12 |
| ladoga | though in all fairness that was 4.10->5.04->5.10 then switched to debian | 19:14 |
| ladoga | so it might be much better now | 19:14 |
| pa | hm.. donno.. i did the other way around :) | 19:16 |
| pa | kept debian until 8.04, then i switched to ubuntu | 19:16 |
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| ladoga | and dist-upgrades probably work fine if you use defaults and don't tweak the system too much (use other window managers and whatnot) | 19:17 |
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| pa | i normally reinstall from the image. i also have a custom kernel so upgrading "ota" normally screws something | 19:19 |
| pa | i did a couple of times | 19:19 |
| pa | but cant on this machine | 19:20 |
| ladoga | yes i guess that's the way to go with ubuntu | 19:21 |
| ladoga | clean installs usually work nicely | 19:21 |
| ladoga | in debian i use testing so it's sort of rolling release | 19:21 |
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| pa | yes testing is pretty stable | 19:22 |
| ladoga | never major dist upgrades | 19:22 |
| pa | the problem is that packages in testing are always pretty old | 19:22 |
| ladoga | i always fetch what i need newer from backports and unstable | 19:22 |
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| ladoga | they are mostly as new as it gets | 19:23 |
| ladoga | i used unstable for a short while...but it's not really fit for every day use. dependency problems etc. | 19:24 |
| ladoga | i think testing is sweet spot with debian. easy to maintain and option to get newest software if needed | 19:24 |
| lpapp | except when not. | 19:25 |
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| ladoga | but ofcourse it depends on use case | 19:26 |
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| ladoga | lpapp: what do you mean? when something is not in backports or unstable? | 19:28 |
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| lpapp | ladoga: they are way behind arch | 19:28 |
| lpapp | re: newest software | 19:28 |
| lpapp | just one example off-hand is cmake | 19:30 |
| lpapp | it is overly old. | 19:30 |
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| lpapp | but I need to leave now. :-) | 19:30 |
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| ladoga | if overly old is 1 month from upstream, then yes | 19:33 |
| ladoga | cmake in unstable is v2.8.9 while newest is 2.8.10 released last month | 19:34 |
| ladoga | but whatever :) enough off-topic | 19:35 |
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| pa | anyway, now im trying handbrake Universal preset | 19:38 |
| pa | let see whether it works | 19:38 |
| ladoga | tell me if you figure out something | 19:39 |
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| ladoga | pa: http://chriswwwright.wordpress.com/2012/06/04/how-to-play-hd-video-on-the-n9-part-2/ | 19:41 |
| ladoga | though it's not too detailed | 19:41 |
| ladoga | but atleast someones experiences of encoding with handbrake for n9 | 19:42 |
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| pa | i can tell you already that i tried with average bit rate and the result is horrendous, as compared with constant quantizer, for about the same filesize | 19:43 |
| pa | this a while ago | 19:43 |
| ladoga | thanks | 19:44 |
| ladoga | i'm already encoding with ffmpeg with -b 1024 :/ | 19:44 |
| ladoga | 1024k | 19:44 |
| pa | i also tried the twopass, it is still way worse than constant quality | 19:46 |
| ladoga | btw. have you tried -vpre baseline istead of -vprofile or -profile baseline? | 19:46 |
| ladoga | might work | 19:46 |
| pa | yes, but i couldnt use ffmpeg, its too old | 19:46 |
| pa | this im saying was with handbrake | 19:46 |
| ladoga | i think thats how it was in older ffmpegs | 19:46 |
| pa | ah no i didnt | 19:47 |
| pa | i could try | 19:47 |
| pa | let see | 19:47 |
| ladoga | yes, i understood. it just crossed my mind | 19:47 |
| pa | thanks, that seems to work :) | 19:47 |
| pa | now i have to figure out how to scale with the old version | 19:47 |
| pa | it seems -vf does not exist | 19:48 |
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| ladoga | -s ? | 19:48 |
| ladoga | -s 854x480 | 19:49 |
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| pa | ah thanks | 19:59 |
| pa | now i try | 19:59 |
| pa | ladoga, btw, it seems that Universal preset works fine | 19:59 |
| pa | now i try with a more complex video | 19:59 |
| pa | this is a cartoon :) | 19:59 |
| ladoga | thanks | 19:59 |
| ladoga | so universal and just switch resolution to 854x480? | 20:00 |
| ladoga | i tried 720p in handbrake with universal and its bit jumpy[C | 20:00 |
| ladoga | but ofcourse 480 works fine for me...i just encoded for my laptop and happened to copy it to n9 | 20:01 |
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| pa | yes | 20:03 |
| pa | universal 480p | 20:03 |
| ladoga | thanks | 20:04 |
| ladoga | i'll try that after ffmpeg is finished (takes ages on this old laptop) | 20:04 |
| pa | btw cant i just call from console "video-suite http://blabla/video.mkv"? | 20:06 |
| pa | if i do that, i get a streaming error | 20:06 |
| pa | but if i click the file in the stock browser, it streams right | 20:06 |
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| ladoga | maybe it uses some different arguments when started with .desktop file | 20:08 |
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| ladoga | defaults.list uses /usr/share/applications/videosuiteinterface.desktop | 20:10 |
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| pa | you think the stock browser uses the desktop file to launch video suite? | 20:12 |
| ladoga | yes | 20:13 |
| lpapp | ladoga: what project are you working on? | 20:13 |
| ladoga | i added desktop file for .torrent there (in defaults.list) and now stock browser launches it | 20:14 |
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| ladoga | so i guess the same goes for stock apps | 20:14 |
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| ladoga | lpapp: none | 20:15 |
| junaida340 | jd | 20:16 |
| junaida340 | hi | 20:16 |
| junaida340 | how | 20:16 |
| junaida340 | how r u | 20:16 |
| pa | ladoga, ah thanks | 20:18 |
| ladoga | "application/x-bittorrent=lftp_torrent.desktop" | 20:19 |
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| ladoga | and in .local/share/applications/lftp_torrent.desktop i have "Exec=meego-terminal -n -e /usr/bin/lftp -c torrent -O ~/MyDocs/Downloads/" | 20:20 |
| ladoga | so when i click torrent link on default browser lftp starts to download/seed the file | 20:22 |
| ladoga | lftp has inbuilt torrent client :) | 20:22 |
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| ladoga | so in defaults list you can change browser actions to what you wish | 20:26 |
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| ladoga | though it affects file browsers too | 20:27 |
| ladoga | it's been overcast here (Helsinki) for so many days. I'd like to try how accurate then free look (magnetormeter/accelometer orientation) in stellarium-n9 is | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | sun | 20:34 |
| ladoga | very nice app, but still no annouce thread on TMO | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | if you can see that, that is | 20:34 |
| ladoga | there's only sun briefly above horizon at midday | 20:35 |
| ladoga | and position is not really visible | 20:35 |
| ladoga | it's been snowing many days now | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | brr | 20:35 |
| * SpeedEvil is at 56N. | 20:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | that's far enough up for me. | 20:36 |
| ladoga | yeah. this darkness is very tiresome | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly not a good day to troll me | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops | 20:37 |
| ladoga | :) | 20:37 |
| lpapp | DocScrutinizer05: why not? :p | 20:39 |
| lpapp | ladoga: lots of brightness is very tiresome, too. | 20:40 |
| ladoga | there are some better days to troll Doc then there are some worse | 20:40 |
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| ladoga | SpeedEvil: scotland? | 20:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:55 |
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| Shame | _xnt14, | 21:41 |
| Shame | hi | 21:41 |
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