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| M4rtinK | a dedicated thread about it might be also in order | 00:01 |
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| Venemo | meh | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | as it is used by quite a few applications on Fremantle | 00:01 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, modRana GTK running on Nemo: http://imgur.com/a/5bjkg :) | 00:06 |
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| rZr | is imgr a better alt to flick in matter of freedom ? | 00:41 |
| rZr | can you backup your data easly ? | 00:42 |
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| M4rtinK | rZr: I'm using only for data that is not sensitive & disposable | 00:46 |
| rZr | this is part of your life anyway :) | 00:47 |
| M4rtinK | as its generally quicker to dump some pictures in a imgur gallery through the browser than scping it to my servers :) | 00:47 |
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| M4rtinK | well, I'll make a proper gallery hosted on modrana.org later & then link the images to the modRana thread on TMO :) | 00:47 |
| rZr | http://rzr.online.fr/docs/gallery/lazygal/ ... | 00:49 |
| rZr | diy | 00:49 |
| rZr | future proof | 00:49 |
| rZr | just uploaded that one | 00:49 |
| rZr | http://rzr.online.fr/docs/gallery/lazygal/RzR-2012-Fall-n950.html | 00:49 |
| M4rtinK | I'm already using it & like it quite a lot :) | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | only significant thing missing - picture comments/descriptions | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | on a related note, modrana.org is down due to RAID crash :) | 00:52 |
| M4rtinK | back to lazygal - its very easy to combine with (py)inotify to get a live gallery that can be updated just by uploding files with scp :) | 00:53 |
| rZr | did you lost data on your RAID crash ? | 00:55 |
| M4rtinK | hope not :) | 00:56 |
| M4rtinK | its hosted on the faculty & according to a mail I've just read they are currently restoring it from backups | 00:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | go to sleep :P | 01:10 |
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| pa | where can i find N950 roms to flash? | 17:48 |
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| pa | dunno what to do.. should i keep the original firmware coz it's basically collectible, or should i update it? | 17:59 |
| pa | it has a lot of glitches : ))) | 18:00 |
| jonni | n950 pr1.0-pr1.2 from nokia site and pr1.3 from tpb | 18:01 |
| pa | and there's still the rule i cant go backward, right? | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:03 |
| pa | i see | 18:03 |
| pa | i think i wanna keep 1.0 :) | 18:03 |
| pa | at least for now | 18:03 |
| pa | but i gotta reflash | 18:03 |
| pa | i tried to update a couple fo things, andit didnt work | 18:03 |
| arcean | pa, you can always flash pr 1.0, but you'll end up with open mode :) | 18:05 |
| pa | jonni, it seems the pages with OCF are not available anymore on nokia site | 18:05 |
| arcean | pa, there's a backup http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/ | 18:06 |
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| jonni | pa: works for me, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ | 18:12 |
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| pa | ahthanks.. from the links i found i was always getting file not found | 18:14 |
| pa | nice that in the mirror theres 1.0 | 18:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Since when did PR1.3 get leaked? | 18:17 |
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| jonni | since summer | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it better than PR1.2? | 18:17 |
| pa | 22-6 is pre 1.0? | 18:18 |
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| pa | why is baidu the first choice of search engine??? | 18:27 |
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| pa | hey but the flash works well! | 18:30 |
| pa | finally | 18:30 |
| pa | :) | 18:30 |
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| pa | i wonder how did they manage to screw that up on n9 | 18:31 |
| pa | that makes flashjes flashed pictures with huge light falloffs | 18:31 |
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| pa | ok i read there are chances it gets stuck at "Erasing, this may take a while".. is that true? coz now it seems stuck :) | 19:04 |
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| pa | no, it's alive | 19:10 |
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| jonni | erasing can take 10-15mins | 19:21 |
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| ZogG_laptop | evening | 19:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean, jonni, Venemo, mgedmin, pa, hey :P | 19:47 |
| Venemo | hi | 19:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: sup | 19:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: hey | 19:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | today me is friendly :P | 19:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 19:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: hi :) | 19:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup | 19:53 |
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| Venemo | what is sup? | 19:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: sup "is what is up" | 20:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~sup | 20:00 |
| infobot | Yo zogg_laptop, how's it going eh? | 20:00 |
| pa | Venemo, soup :D | 20:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's pronounced with A | 20:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | like cup | 20:00 |
| Venemo | infobot, you rock | 20:00 |
| infobot | thanks, Venemo | 20:00 |
| Venemo | infobot, you're welcome | 20:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | infobot: you are boring | 20:00 |
| infobot | ZogG_laptop: what are you talking about? | 20:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | infobot: you | 20:00 |
| infobot | it has been said that infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker | 20:00 |
| pa | by the way, wasnt n950 supposed to be aluminium case? | 20:02 |
| pa | it seems plastic to me.. | 20:02 |
| Venemo | pa, the aluminium is painted | 20:02 |
| pa | it sounds like plastic too | 20:03 |
| pa | hm | 20:03 |
| pa | maybe not.. | 20:03 |
| Venemo | well, if you scratch it and the painting starts to fall off, you can see the aluminium below | 20:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | it tastes like plastic :P | 20:03 |
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| pa | by the way, is there also a way to find out what camera module the phone has? whether it is 8 or 12 mp? | 20:16 |
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| ajalkane | it has 12mp. So say we all. | 20:28 |
| pa | someone here was saying it has actually 8.. maybe he was wrong. dont remember whom | 20:31 |
| ajalkane | He might have just lied | 20:32 |
| ajalkane | But seriously, I haven't TESTED it to be sure, but heard from so many sources that I'm not believing otherwise until proven otherwise. There's just precious few camera apps, naturally, that can use the 12mp of N950. I seem to remember store has one, Camera Pro maybe, that can use the 12mp of N950 | 20:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pa: it's 12mp but you use 8mp :P | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | ajalkane: i think qwazix wanted to make rawcam to use 12mp on n950 | 20:43 |
| ajalkane | ZogG_laptop: he did, but as far as I've understood he has not managed it | 20:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | no development for harmattan lately | 20:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | even maemo is more alive :( | 20:48 |
| ajalkane | maemo rules | 20:49 |
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| M4rtinK | the Harmattan devices assigned to competition winners should help a lot :) | 20:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | don't think so | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | at least Taixzo already started porting Saera :) | 20:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | community award was there, apps 4 store was there.. don't think so | 20:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: i bet there few things here and there | 20:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: most people in competition had devices to develop and if they didn't before, then ... | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | well, I'm quite motivated myself | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | by my new N9 64GB :) | 20:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: n9 is really good one, ah? | 20:57 |
| ajalkane | People who participated to coding competition are active developers. So there's more hope for those who received device from this compared to something like "community awards" which was for past achievements. | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | LPS & NFC support can be quite nice for modRana | 20:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: i started to write app for bb10 as i got dev alpha nad playbook by mistake :P | 20:58 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, my friends are also getting playbooks from some devel program :) | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | could be quite portable to Harmattan anyway | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | -cascades :) | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster promised me to write apps :P | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: cascades are really not the same qml | 20:59 |
| heymaster | :) | 21:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: i got by mistake, i just asked on jam if i can buy one and they asked for email and purpose and as MohammadAG was smart and quick enuf to tell development i got one :P hope i finish my app. as i finally got joba nad a lot of new things and development there | 21:00 |
| ajalkane | so zoggy, hows BB10? Compared to harmy | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | ajalkane: promising | 21:02 |
| ajalkane | You taken look at the API? Is it only for dummy apps or could I implement something like ProfileMatic in it? | 21:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | UI looks sexy, but i miss few swipe things as well as there are a lot of new swipe things (but i think they use it for wrong purposes, bb was always about email/communication and business) | 21:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | ajalkane: it has qml(cascades)/native/qt/java/html5 and api's are comming | 21:03 |
| ajalkane | So is it a best migration for harmy people if Jolla doesn't deliver? | 21:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think there are more for native now | 21:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | cascades putting more and more together and qtquick wouldn't have everything i think :P | 21:04 |
| ajalkane | possibility to run daemons? | 21:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | ajalkane: depends, if you want community and develop than it's your choise(they quite friendly), but if you want just to develop apps why not both :P | 21:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | ajalkane: not sure. as well as it's not linux | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I understand that everyone want to have their own Qt Components | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | but they should ship also some standard ones | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | otherwise I would have to support QtC, Plasma Components & Cascades | 21:05 |
| ajalkane | I don't really have time to develop for multiple different targets (BB10 is too different from harmattan/MeeGo) | 21:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think qml will break it | 21:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's like modular in a bad way | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK | or alternatively use plain QML & custom components | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | when u have components for specific platform that act and look different | 21:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | the best thing as i saw few qml/native(c/c++)/web apps - same apps. and they look excatly the same | 21:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | though native still faster | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | well, I understand they want to tune the components to their platform | 21:07 |
| ajalkane | Common QML compontents would rock, with separate theming for each platform. | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | and its not that difficult to have multiple sets of QML files | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | but it is still huge duplicated effort | 21:07 |
| special | ajalkane: which was what QWidget did. | 21:08 |
| ajalkane | It's huge duplicated effort, and a maintenance nightmare | 21:08 |
| M4rtinK | or at least something you can use globally until you make a specific version | 21:08 |
| ajalkane | special: Indeed. Taking some good things from QWidget would have been wise... | 21:08 |
| special | it's a convenient thing from QWidget, I'm not so sure it's a good one. | 21:08 |
| RzR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx8lJiiOYpQ | 21:10 |
| ajalkane | It's a good thing. QWidget doesn't scale well to providing different presentation for different device classes (mobile, tablet, Desktop), which QML in turn provides. But common components for each device category would make QML much more convenient for devs | 21:10 |
| ajalkane | So combining good parts from each approach would provide a pretty stellar solution with flexibility | 21:11 |
| special | "common components" means "some reasonable average between a wide variety of platform behaviors", which means it isn't quite right anywhere. | 21:12 |
| ajalkane | of course. But it would be a god-send to time-starved developers who are doing this on their freetime | 21:12 |
| special | it'd be nice to have as a basis for development, and there's sort of a common API among components implementations evolving | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | I got GTK running on Nemo just jesterday :) | 21:13 |
| ajalkane | it can be all the difference between providing an application to another platform or not | 21:13 |
| special | but in reality, writing a UI in QML is quite fast, and a UI native to your form factor and your platform will be much higher quality. | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | its still usable if you do everything in Cairo :) | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, QML only components would be nice | 21:14 |
| ajalkane | Write once is fast. If you are foolish enough to update your application, it starts to be a maintenance headache to update every platform's separate QML files | 21:14 |
| M4rtinK | as you could just ship them with your app easily | 21:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ajalkane: M4rtinK like there is qml components to make it look like wp7 for harmattan and playbook :P | 21:17 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, why not :) | 21:18 |
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| special | QWidget worked reasonably well because desktop UI is mostly consistent everywhere | 21:20 |
| special | mobile/touch UI is not. | 21:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | on desktop most time we had kde for qt mostly. | 21:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | there is razorqt now and maybe one or two more | 21:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | huh my tracker is fucked up :( | 21:33 |
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| heymaster | if (thread->isRunning()) { thread->exit();} << this code crashes :/ | 22:38 |
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| teleshoes | hey | 22:45 |
| teleshoes | does anyone happen to know how i could detect the current screen rotation? | 22:45 |
| ajalkane | In QML or C++? | 22:45 |
| teleshoes | most convenient would be a python binding in, say, pyside | 22:45 |
| ajalkane | Ouch | 22:45 |
| teleshoes | c++ is fine, if i need a standalone script to do it | 22:46 |
| teleshoes | its fine | 22:46 |
| teleshoes | ill just call it from python | 22:46 |
| teleshoes | this is for an application without a gui | 22:46 |
| teleshoes | specifically, for a screenshot daemon, to know whether i need to rotate the image or not | 22:47 |
| teleshoes | screenshots work fine, but theyre always 854x480 | 22:47 |
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| ajalkane | teleshoes: this might help: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qtmobility/qorientationsensor.html?tab=0 | 22:48 |
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| teleshoes | nice thanks | 22:48 |
| teleshoes | appears like it will work just fine | 22:49 |
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| teleshoes | argh, pyside-mobility class reference still isnt online | 22:49 |
| teleshoes | anyone know where i could find the docs? | 22:50 |
| teleshoes | they used to be there with the rest of pyside, then they were moved around or something | 22:50 |
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| teleshoes | so it probably works, but i just found out that its just the device's orientation | 23:00 |
| teleshoes | not the ui's orientation | 23:00 |
| teleshoes | for the context of taking a screenshot, the ui orientation is whats important | 23:00 |
| teleshoes | wysiwyg | 23:00 |
| ajalkane | For UI orientation you need to use whatever UI you're using. If you're using QML then look at the Window.qml element | 23:02 |
| teleshoes | im not USING a ui | 23:02 |
| teleshoes | this is a headless application | 23:02 |
| ajalkane | Then you're fucked up. I don't know how you can query what the top-most application's UI orientation is. | 23:03 |
| teleshoes | so i guess youre saying there is no generic way to detect orientation of the ui | 23:03 |
| teleshoes | mm | 23:03 |
| teleshoes | i wonder how screenshotmee does it | 23:04 |
| teleshoes | i couldnt find the source, poking around | 23:04 |
| teleshoes | i guess ill email for it | 23:04 |
| teleshoes | hmm, im curious if theres a window property for it | 23:05 |
| ajalkane | Well it's just X Window below all of it, so I'm sure there's a way to it | 23:05 |
| teleshoes | sigh, i guess ill have to wait until i get another n9 | 23:06 |
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| teleshoes | theres a system-wide thing for detecting orientation btw | 23:06 |
| teleshoes | that just doesnt seem to work | 23:06 |
| teleshoes | QtMobility->SystemInfo->QSystemDisplayInfo->orientation | 23:07 |
| teleshoes | returns either QSystemDisplayInfo.Landscape or QSystemDisplayInfo.Portrait | 23:07 |
| teleshoes | on scratchbox, it returns portrait | 23:08 |
| teleshoes | on a friend's n9, it returns null | 23:08 |
| teleshoes | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qtmobility/qsystemdisplayinfo.html?tab=0#DisplayOrientation-enum | 23:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: imaginery friend with n9? :P | 23:15 |
| teleshoes | ? | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | joking | 23:17 |
| teleshoes | i thought you meant that it worked on yours for a sec | 23:17 |
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| heymaster | debugger says crash was in libQtCore.so.4 .. how to find problem ? | 23:22 |
| heymaster | last function | 23:22 |
| heymaster | but don't show function name | 23:22 |
| heymaster | segmentation fault | 23:23 |
| heymaster | the problem app crashing randomly | 23:23 |
| heymaster | can be problem because i update ui from not main thread? | 23:24 |
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| teleshoes | could someone test running a python script to print displayorientation of the desktop widget? | 23:25 |
| teleshoes | http://pastebin.com/qYYixk5N | 23:27 |
| teleshoes | on an n9, with it in landscape and portrait mode | 23:27 |
| teleshoes | on scratchbox it always prints: landscape portrait portrait, with some errors in between | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | too lazy | 23:29 |
| teleshoes | np | 23:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait | 23:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ran as dev and got error | 23:39 |
| teleshoes | at least one of them should print an error | 23:39 |
| teleshoes | unless you mean you get an import error? | 23:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: http://pastebin.com/ZWsBVnLK | 23:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | it prints 3 results along with errors | 23:40 |
| teleshoes | how about if you orient it the other way? | 23:40 |
| teleshoes | is it still: unknow, landscape, landscape ? | 23:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm going to sleep sorry man :P | 23:44 |
| teleshoes | no prob | 23:44 |
| teleshoes | thanks a ton | 23:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | sorry | 23:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | poke people around here | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe someone would test | 23:45 |
| teleshoes | mm | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: help a friend here, i need to go to sleep | 23:45 |
| teleshoes | heh thx | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | rashm2k: or you. heymaster or you | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe beford or M4rtinK around | 23:46 |
| teleshoes | heh, wake everyone up why dont you? ;) | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | night | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hightlight people i know i can :P | 23:46 |
| teleshoes | night | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster: ^ | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | night | 23:47 |
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| heymaster | teleshoes: the problem is ? | 23:47 |
| teleshoes | http://pastebin.com/qYYixk5N | 23:47 |
| teleshoes | could you run that and see if SystemDisplayInfo works properly for you? | 23:48 |
| teleshoes | it should print 3 words and two errors | 23:48 |
| teleshoes | run it in landscape and portrait, if you would be so kind, and see if you get a different set of 3 words | 23:48 |
| teleshoes | i lost my n9 in a hurricane and scratchbox isnt sufficient to test this | 23:49 |
| heymaster | teleshoes: i don't know how to run python on N9 | 23:49 |
| heymaster | :/ | 23:49 |
| teleshoes | cp that file to MyDocs, {test.py} | 23:50 |
| teleshoes | python ~/MyDocs/test.py | 23:50 |
| teleshoes | no worries, tho | 23:50 |
| teleshoes | if you do feel like bothering with it, the dependencies are: apt-get install pyside-mobility-systeminfo python-pyside.qtcore python-pyside.qtgui | 23:51 |
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| heymaster | ok just wait | 23:55 |
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