IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-11-06

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M4rtinKa dedicated thread about it might be also in order00:01
M4rtinKas it is used by quite a few applications on Fremantle00:01
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M4rtinKBTW, modRana GTK running on Nemo: :)00:06
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rZris imgr a better alt to flick in matter of freedom ?00:41
rZrcan you backup your data easly ?00:42
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M4rtinKrZr: I'm using only for data that is not sensitive & disposable00:46
rZrthis is part of your life anyway :)00:47
M4rtinKas its generally quicker to dump some pictures in a imgur gallery through the browser than scping it to my servers :)00:47
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M4rtinKwell, I'll make a proper gallery hosted on later & then link the images to the modRana thread on TMO :)00:47
rZr ...00:49
rZrfuture proof00:49
rZrjust uploaded that one00:49
M4rtinKI'm already using it & like it quite a lot :)00:51
M4rtinKonly significant thing missing - picture comments/descriptions00:51
M4rtinKon a related note, is down due to RAID crash :)00:52
M4rtinKback to lazygal - its very easy to combine with (py)inotify to get a live gallery that can be updated just by uploding files with scp :)00:53
rZrdid you lost data on your RAID crash ?00:55
M4rtinKhope not :)00:56
M4rtinKits hosted on the faculty & according to a mail I've just read they are currently restoring it from backups00:56
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ZogG_laptopgo to sleep :P01:10
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pawhere can i find N950 roms to flash?17:48
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padunno what to do.. should i keep the original firmware coz it's basically collectible, or should i update it?17:59
pait has a lot of glitches : )))18:00
jonnin950 pr1.0-pr1.2 from nokia site and pr1.3 from tpb18:01
paand there's still the rule i cant go backward, right?18:03
pai see18:03
pai think i wanna keep 1.0 :)18:03
paat least for now18:03
pabut i gotta reflash18:03
pai tried to update a couple fo things, andit didnt work18:03
arceanpa, you can always flash pr 1.0, but you'll end up with open mode :)18:05
pajonni, it seems the pages with OCF are not available anymore on nokia site18:05
arceanpa, there's a backup
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jonnipa: works for me,
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paahthanks.. from the links i found i was always getting file not found18:14
panice that in the mirror theres 1.018:16
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GeneralAntillesSince when did PR1.3 get leaked?18:17
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jonnisince summer18:17
GeneralAntillesIs it better than PR1.2?18:17
pa22-6 is pre 1.0?18:18
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pawhy is baidu the first choice of search engine???18:27
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pahey but the flash works well!18:30
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pai wonder how did they manage to screw that up on n918:31
pathat makes flashjes flashed pictures with huge light falloffs18:31
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paok i read there are chances it gets stuck at  "Erasing, this may take a while".. is that true? coz now it seems stuck :)19:04
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pano, it's alive19:10
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jonnierasing can take 10-15mins19:21
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ZogG_laptoparcean, jonni, Venemo, mgedmin, pa, hey :P19:47
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ZogG_laptopVenemo: sup19:52
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: hey19:52
ZogG_laptoptoday me is friendly :P19:53
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: hi :)19:53
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Venemowhat is sup?19:58
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ZogG_laptopVenemo: sup "is what is up"20:00
infobotYo zogg_laptop, how's it going eh?20:00
paVenemo, soup :D20:00
ZogG_laptopit's pronounced with A20:00
ZogG_laptoplike cup20:00
Venemoinfobot, you rock20:00
infobotthanks, Venemo20:00
Venemoinfobot, you're welcome20:00
ZogG_laptopinfobot: you are boring20:00
infobotZogG_laptop: what are you talking about?20:00
ZogG_laptopinfobot: you20:00
infobotit has been said that infobot is me, // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker20:00
paby the way, wasnt n950 supposed to be aluminium case?20:02
pait seems plastic to me..20:02
Venemopa, the aluminium is painted20:02
pait sounds like plastic too20:03
pamaybe not..20:03
Venemowell, if you scratch it and the painting starts to fall off, you can see the aluminium below20:03
ZogG_laptopit tastes like plastic :P20:03
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paby the way, is there also a way to find out what camera module the phone has? whether it is 8 or 12 mp?20:16
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ajalkaneit has 12mp. So say we all.20:28
pasomeone here was saying it has actually 8.. maybe he was wrong. dont remember whom20:31
ajalkaneHe might have just lied20:32
ajalkaneBut seriously, I haven't TESTED it to be sure, but heard from so many sources that I'm not believing otherwise until proven otherwise. There's just precious few camera apps, naturally, that can use the 12mp of N950. I seem to remember store has one, Camera Pro maybe, that can use the 12mp of N95020:33
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ZogG_laptoppa: it's 12mp but you use 8mp :P20:42
ZogG_laptopajalkane: i think qwazix wanted to make rawcam to use 12mp on n95020:43
ajalkaneZogG_laptop: he did, but as far as I've understood he has not managed it20:45
ZogG_laptopno development for harmattan lately20:48
ZogG_laptopeven maemo is more alive :(20:48
ajalkanemaemo rules20:49
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M4rtinKthe Harmattan devices assigned to competition winners should help a lot :)20:55
ZogG_laptopdon't think so20:55
M4rtinKat least Taixzo already started porting Saera :)20:55
ZogG_laptopcommunity award was there, apps 4 store was there.. don't think so20:55
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: i bet there few things here and there20:56
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: most people in competition had devices to develop and if they didn't before, then ...20:56
M4rtinKwell, I'm quite motivated myself20:57
M4rtinKby my new N9 64GB :)20:57
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: n9 is really good one, ah?20:57
ajalkanePeople who participated to coding competition are active developers. So there's more hope for those who received device from this compared to something like "community awards" which was for past achievements.20:57
M4rtinKLPS & NFC support can be quite nice for modRana20:57
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: i started to write app for bb10 as i got dev alpha nad playbook by mistake :P20:58
M4rtinKyeah, my friends are also getting playbooks from some devel program :)20:59
M4rtinKcould be quite portable to Harmattan anyway20:59
M4rtinK-cascades :)20:59
ZogG_laptopheymaster promised me to write apps :P20:59
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: cascades are really not the same qml20:59
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: i got by mistake, i just asked on jam if i can buy one and they asked for email and purpose and as MohammadAG was smart and quick enuf to tell development i got one :P hope i finish my app. as i finally got joba nad a lot of new things and development there21:00
ajalkaneso zoggy, hows BB10? Compared to harmy21:01
ZogG_laptopajalkane: promising21:02
ajalkaneYou taken look at the API? Is it only for dummy apps or could I implement something like ProfileMatic in it?21:02
ZogG_laptopUI looks sexy, but i miss few swipe things as well as there are a lot of new swipe things (but i think they use it for wrong purposes, bb was always about email/communication and business)21:02
ZogG_laptopajalkane: it has qml(cascades)/native/qt/java/html5 and api's are comming21:03
ajalkaneSo is it a best migration for harmy people if Jolla doesn't deliver?21:03
ZogG_laptopi think there are more for native now21:03
ZogG_laptopcascades putting more and more together and qtquick wouldn't have everything i think :P21:04
ajalkanepossibility to run daemons?21:04
ZogG_laptopajalkane: depends, if you want community and develop than it's your choise(they quite friendly), but if you want just to develop apps why not both :P21:04
ZogG_laptopajalkane: not sure. as well as it's not linux21:05
M4rtinKBTW, I understand that everyone want to have their own Qt Components21:05
M4rtinKbut they should ship also some standard ones21:05
M4rtinKotherwise I would have to support QtC, Plasma Components & Cascades21:05
ajalkaneI don't really have time to develop for multiple different targets (BB10 is too different from harmattan/MeeGo)21:05
ZogG_laptopi think qml will break it21:05
ZogG_laptopit's like modular in a bad way21:06
M4rtinKor alternatively use plain QML & custom components21:06
ZogG_laptopwhen u have components for specific platform that act and look different21:06
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ZogG_laptopthe best thing as i saw few qml/native(c/c++)/web apps - same apps. and they look excatly the same21:07
ZogG_laptopthough native still faster21:07
M4rtinKwell, I understand they want to tune the components to their platform21:07
ajalkaneCommon QML compontents would rock, with separate theming for each platform.21:07
M4rtinKand its not that difficult to have multiple sets of QML files21:07
M4rtinKbut it is still huge duplicated effort21:07
specialajalkane: which was what QWidget did.21:08
ajalkaneIt's huge duplicated effort, and a maintenance nightmare21:08
M4rtinKor at least something you can use globally until you make a specific version21:08
ajalkanespecial: Indeed. Taking some good things from QWidget would have been wise...21:08
specialit's a convenient thing from QWidget, I'm not so sure it's a good one.21:08
ajalkaneIt's a good thing. QWidget doesn't scale well to providing different presentation for different device classes (mobile, tablet, Desktop), which QML in turn provides. But common components for each device category would make QML much more convenient for devs21:10
ajalkaneSo combining good parts from each approach would provide a pretty stellar solution with flexibility21:11
special"common components" means "some reasonable average between a wide variety of platform behaviors", which means it isn't quite right anywhere.21:12
ajalkaneof course. But it would be a god-send to time-starved developers who are doing this on their freetime21:12
specialit'd be nice to have as a basis for development, and there's sort of a common API among components implementations evolving21:13
M4rtinKI got GTK running on Nemo just jesterday :)21:13
ajalkaneit can be all the difference between providing an application to another platform or not21:13
specialbut in reality, writing a UI in QML is quite fast, and a UI native to your form factor and your platform will be much higher quality.21:13
M4rtinKits still usable if you do everything in Cairo :)21:13
M4rtinKBTW, QML only components would be nice21:14
ajalkaneWrite once is fast. If you are foolish enough to update your application, it starts to be a maintenance headache to update every platform's separate QML files21:14
M4rtinKas you could just ship them with your app easily21:14
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ZogG_laptopajalkane: M4rtinK like there is qml components to make it look like wp7 for harmattan and playbook :P21:17
M4rtinKyeah, why not :)21:18
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specialQWidget worked reasonably well because desktop UI is mostly consistent everywhere21:20
specialmobile/touch UI is not.21:20
ZogG_laptopon desktop most time we had kde for qt mostly.21:22
ZogG_laptopthere is razorqt now and maybe one or two more21:22
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ZogG_laptophuh my tracker is fucked up :(21:33
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heymasterif (thread->isRunning()) { thread->exit();} << this code crashes :/22:38
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teleshoesdoes anyone happen to know how i could detect the current screen rotation?22:45
ajalkaneIn QML or C++?22:45
teleshoesmost convenient would be a python binding in, say, pyside22:45
teleshoesc++ is fine, if i need a standalone script to do it22:46
teleshoesits fine22:46
teleshoesill just call it from python22:46
teleshoesthis is for an application without a gui22:46
teleshoesspecifically, for a screenshot daemon, to know whether i need to rotate the image or not22:47
teleshoesscreenshots work fine, but theyre always 854x48022:47
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ajalkaneteleshoes: this might help:
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teleshoesnice thanks22:48
teleshoesappears like it will work just fine22:49
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teleshoesargh, pyside-mobility class reference still isnt online22:49
teleshoesanyone know where i could find the docs?22:50
teleshoesthey used to be there with the rest of pyside, then they were moved around or something22:50
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teleshoesso it probably works, but i just found out that its just the device's orientation23:00
teleshoesnot the ui's orientation23:00
teleshoesfor the context of taking a screenshot, the ui orientation is whats important23:00
ajalkaneFor UI orientation you need to use whatever UI you're using. If you're using QML then look at the Window.qml element23:02
teleshoesim not USING a ui23:02
teleshoesthis is a headless application23:02
ajalkaneThen you're fucked up. I don't know how you can query what the top-most application's UI orientation is.23:03
teleshoesso i guess youre saying there is no generic way to detect orientation of the ui23:03
teleshoesi wonder how screenshotmee does it23:04
teleshoesi couldnt find the source, poking around23:04
teleshoesi guess ill email for it23:04
teleshoeshmm, im curious if theres a window property for it23:05
ajalkaneWell it's just X Window below all of it, so I'm sure there's a way to it23:05
teleshoessigh, i guess ill have to wait until i get another n923:06
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teleshoestheres a system-wide thing for detecting orientation btw23:06
teleshoesthat just doesnt seem to work23:06
teleshoesreturns either QSystemDisplayInfo.Landscape or QSystemDisplayInfo.Portrait23:07
teleshoeson scratchbox, it returns portrait23:08
teleshoeson a friend's n9, it returns null23:08
ZogG_laptopteleshoes: imaginery friend with n9? :P23:15
teleshoesi thought you meant that it worked on yours for a sec23:17
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heymasterdebugger says crash was in .. how to find problem ?23:22
heymasterlast function23:22
heymasterbut don't show function name23:22
heymastersegmentation fault23:23
heymasterthe problem app crashing randomly23:23
heymastercan be problem because i update ui from not main thread?23:24
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teleshoescould someone test running a python script to print displayorientation of the desktop widget?23:25
teleshoeson an n9, with it in landscape and portrait mode23:27
teleshoeson scratchbox it always prints: landscape portrait portrait, with some errors in between23:28
ZogG_laptoptoo lazy23:29
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ZogG_laptopran as dev and got error23:39
teleshoesat least one of them should print an error23:39
teleshoesunless you mean you get an import error?23:39
ZogG_laptopit prints 3 results along with errors23:40
teleshoeshow about if you orient it the other way?23:40
teleshoesis it still: unknow, landscape, landscape ?23:41
ZogG_laptopi'm going to sleep sorry man :P23:44
teleshoesno prob23:44
teleshoesthanks a ton23:44
ZogG_laptoppoke people around here23:45
ZogG_laptopmaybe someone would test23:45
ZogG_laptoparcean: help a friend here, i need to go to sleep23:45
teleshoesheh thx23:45
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: or you. heymaster or you23:45
ZogG_laptopmaybe beford or M4rtinK around23:46
teleshoesheh, wake everyone up why dont you? ;)23:46
ZogG_laptopi hightlight people i know i can :P23:46
ZogG_laptopheymaster: ^23:46
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heymasterteleshoes: the problem is ?23:47
teleshoescould you run that and see if SystemDisplayInfo works properly for you?23:48
teleshoesit should print 3 words and two errors23:48
teleshoesrun it in landscape and portrait, if you would be so kind, and see if you get a different set of 3 words23:48
teleshoesi lost my n9 in a hurricane and scratchbox isnt sufficient to test this23:49
heymasterteleshoes: i don't know how to run python on N923:49
teleshoescp that file to MyDocs, {}23:50
teleshoespython ~/MyDocs/test.py23:50
teleshoesno worries, tho23:50
teleshoesif you do feel like bothering with it, the dependencies are: apt-get install pyside-mobility-systeminfo python-pyside.qtcore python-pyside.qtgui23:51
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heymasterok just wait23:55
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