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| deztructor | hyvä yöta :) | 01:07 |
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| djszapi_ | deztructor: it is an English channel, not Finnish. :-) | 01:08 |
| djszapi_ | but yeah, good night. | 01:08 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: but i am not finn by myself ;) so, why not :) | 01:09 |
| djszapi_ | I have not said you would be Finnish yourself. | 01:10 |
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| deztructor | mornnnn | 07:03 |
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| djszapi_ | wow, I have not thought it is unintuitive to draw a circle in inkscape. | 08:56 |
| djszapi_ | it was a few seconds action in mspaint. | 08:57 |
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| deztructor | djszapi_: it depends on what modifier buttons ru clicking | 09:05 |
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| djszapi_ | not sure what you mean. | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | mspaint: | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | 1) Select circle drawing action | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | 2) Draw the circle | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | in inkscape: | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | 3) Done | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | 1) Select the "circle drawing action" | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | 2) Draw the circle | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | 3) You have an opaque area surrounded by the circle | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | 4) What then? | 09:07 |
| djszapi_ | I have been trying to research for about half an hour. | 09:08 |
| djszapi_ | I would not call this as usable as mspaint. | 09:08 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: and it is not unintuitive, it depends on what u want to get :) also any option is available. inkscape is some kind of pro-tool for _vector_ graphics, so it has wide capabilities. mspaint - basic _raster_ drawing app, if u want it on linux use corresponding apps but not inkscape | 09:08 |
| djszapi_ | that was few seconds to discover this action intuitively without reading any documentation. | 09:08 |
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| djszapi_ | if one needs to read a complex documentation for this, it is just b0rked (TM) | 09:08 |
| djszapi_ | it *is* unintuitive. | 09:09 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: no, i am sorry, ur wrong. try to use any pro tool like adobe illustrator etc. | 09:09 |
| djszapi_ | it is not a matter of taste, it is a fact. | 09:09 |
| djszapi_ | I do not consider myself or others I asked, stupid. | 09:09 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: for me it was intuitive ;) | 09:09 |
| djszapi_ | it cannot be found easily -> unusable. | 09:09 |
| djszapi_ | you are talking nonsense. | 09:10 |
| djszapi_ | 1) You argue instead of giving a solution | 09:10 |
| djszapi_ | 2) You try to prove I found the action, when I did *not*. | 09:10 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: it is a matter of knowledge: inkscape is basically not a hobbyist tool | 09:10 |
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| djszapi_ | yes, it seems a rocket science for drawin a simple primitive... | 09:10 |
| djszapi_ | sure super intuitive... | 09:11 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: there are different mspaint-like apps on linux, use 'em | 09:11 |
| djszapi_ | drawing* | 09:11 |
| djszapi_ | so it *is* the graphics tool for pro tools, but it cannot even draw a simple primitive? | 09:11 |
| djszapi_ | BLOLZ | 09:11 |
| djszapi_ | also, I do not see what point you are trying to make. | 09:12 |
| djszapi_ | 2) Fact | 09:12 |
| djszapi_ | 1) Did not provide any help. | 09:12 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: ur aggravating, it can draw and for anybody working with vector tools it is intuitive new primitive will be drawn with last drawing attrs | 09:12 |
| djszapi_ | perhaps you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. | 09:12 |
| djszapi_ | so I will let you so. | 09:12 |
| deztructor | shft-ctrl-f | 09:12 |
| djszapi_ | sure the user not finding a tool usable is "aggravating" and not the tool should be improved. :) | 09:13 |
| djszapi_ | very good reaction for a user feedback... | 09:13 |
| djszapi_ | good luck to this software... | 09:13 |
| djszapi_ | shift-ctrl-f is not working... | 09:14 |
| djszapi_ | like said... | 09:14 |
| djszapi_ | that is *NOT* a circle. | 09:14 |
| djszapi_ | that is a circle plus the area surrounded by it. | 09:14 |
| djszapi_ | I hope you see the BIG difference between the two... | 09:14 |
| djszapi_ | I wonder if others here find the "draw circle" action in few seconds? | 09:15 |
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| deztructor | djszapi_: ?? | 09:15 |
| djszapi_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: hey | 09:15 |
| djszapi_ | deztructor: meh | 09:15 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: not a circle? what do u mean? ru trolling? | 09:15 |
| djszapi_ | deztructor: I do not wish to talk to you. | 09:16 |
| djszapi_ | sorry. | 09:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey djszapi_ | 09:16 |
| djszapi_ | I am trying to solve a simple problem for a deadline, and you call the users "trolling". | 09:16 |
| djszapi_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: do you have inkscape installed? | 09:16 |
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| deztructor | djszapi_: what is it? https://www.dropbox.com/s/9a00phziqbgm0ww/snapshot1.png | 09:17 |
| deztructor | right upper corner - attrs | 09:17 |
| djszapi_ | deztructor: sorry, I lost my interest. | 09:18 |
| djszapi_ | I do not wish to argue with you. | 09:18 |
| djszapi_ | in addition, dropbox is forbidden here. | 09:18 |
| djszapi_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: I wonder if you find how to draw an arc in inkscape | 09:19 |
| djszapi_ | in few second | 09:19 |
| djszapi_ | I was unable. | 09:19 |
| djszapi_ | seconds* | 09:19 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | nope, I suks at Inkscape | 09:21 |
| djszapi_ | okay, so it is not just me not finding, thanks. | 09:21 |
| djszapi_ | so apparently the problem is not just with me. :-) | 09:21 |
| djszapi_ | I will try to use tuxpaint. | 09:21 |
| djszapi_ | niiiice, it was 1-2 seconds in tuxpaint. | 09:23 |
| djszapi_ | to click shape, select circle, draw. | 09:23 |
| djszapi_ | very cool! | 09:23 |
| * deztructor thinks djszapi_ is too aggressive and negative to get advice from anybody :P | 09:23 | |
| djszapi_ | deztructor: please stop trolling. | 09:24 |
| djszapi_ | you did not say any solution | 09:24 |
| djszapi_ | and you offended the user having a bad user experience. | 09:24 |
| djszapi_ | and then you keep doing so. | 09:24 |
| djszapi_ | it does not help! | 09:24 |
| djszapi_ | say that, you do not know, and the tool is not made for drawing simple primitives or the usability is bad. | 09:25 |
| djszapi_ | if that is the situation. | 09:26 |
| djszapi_ | it is not a problem, I will note it. | 09:26 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: u started from arguing, i replied that u wrong. to get an answer people should start from simple question instead of abusing tool and its creators | 09:26 |
| djszapi_ | but arguing about that it is intuitive and I have not found for half an hour, and in few seconds in mspaint and tuxpaint, that is not too helpful. | 09:26 |
| djszapi_ | why is a feedback abusing? | 09:26 |
| djszapi_ | why do you have to defend the authors instead of improving the situation? | 09:26 |
| djszapi_ | aren't you a bit stubborn? | 09:27 |
| djszapi_ | anyway, I will stop this as it has no outcome anyways | 09:27 |
| djszapi_ | no solution presented, and the user is called "abusive". | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | dudes if you don't stop I'll boot you both. EOD | 09:27 |
| deztructor | djszapi_: because it is not feedback. if ur e.g. not coding in c++ and is trying to write a program in a seconds... | 09:27 |
| djszapi_ | seems it is intuitive in Krita as well. | 09:31 |
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| djszapi_ | ftr who do not wanna get pain in the future: it seems selecting the X at the bottom is necessary. | 09:42 |
| djszapi_ | see you draw something unwanted, and then you have to remove that. | 09:42 |
| djszapi_ | so* | 09:42 |
| djszapi_ | unsure how the mind associates with X, but whatever. | 09:43 |
| djszapi_ | so it seems shapes inherently have fill and stroke by default even if you do not wish to draw such primitives at all. | 09:44 |
| djszapi_ | it can apparently be done also in the color dialog which is not shown by default ole. | 09:51 |
| djszapi_ | arguably that may be clearer except that there are tons of options there to bother the user with. | 09:52 |
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| Dante_J | In case anyone missed it: | 09:55 |
| Dante_J | http://www.zdnet.com/jolla-to-reveal-its-meego-os-sailfish-and-sdk-this-november-7000005248/ | 09:55 |
| Dante_J | Jolla goodness - and an SDK on the way | 09:55 |
| djszapi_ | lot of promises... | 09:56 |
| * Dante_J nods | 09:56 | |
| djszapi_ | just like many other companies previously :) | 09:56 |
| djszapi_ | do not hold your breath yet. | 09:56 |
| Dante_J | we'll see if any come true. | 09:56 |
| Dante_J | They have been rather serious getting the VC $ together | 09:56 |
| Dante_J | and intelligently are pitching to China / HK first | 09:57 |
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| djszapi_ | we saw such stories in the past :) | 09:58 |
| djszapi_ | nothing new. ;) | 09:58 |
| djszapi_ | What we know, blackberry is out, they have devices, etc. | 09:58 |
| hiemanshu | lol, djszapi_ is jealous they didn't ask him to join lol | 09:58 |
| djszapi_ | Dante_J: there might be airplane tickets for 900-1000 EUR if I am lucky. | 10:11 |
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| Dante_J | I'm just saying I'm patiently watching how Jolla goes. Time will tell. An SDK when released is not nothing. | 10:12 |
| djszapi_ | but the talk acceptance for the mobile session does not provide free ticket to the linux au conference as a whole unfortunately, thus I would need to get into the volunteering team. | 10:12 |
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| djszapi_ | Dante_J: oh and another thing, Qt4 is getting the past for new businesses soon. | 10:12 |
| djszapi_ | so I am not too interested in their 4.8 stuff :) | 10:12 |
| djszapi_ | it is slow by its nature. | 10:13 |
| Dante_J | ok | 10:13 |
| djszapi_ | as it does not use the opengl backend unless they hacked around as harmattan did, but that is a *huge* hack. | 10:13 |
| Dante_J | IMHO, it would be nice to keep Meego alive, in real handsets in live usage. | 10:15 |
| Dante_J | Competition is a good thing. | 10:15 |
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| djszapi_ | Dante_J: IMO a community driven project would be better. | 10:16 |
| djszapi_ | like a debian based project, or like the raspbian and raspberry pi project. | 10:16 |
| djszapi_ | and not where a company says what will be in the product and what not, behind the scenes. | 10:17 |
| djszapi_ | but I am afraid, we do not have enough manpower for that, so yeah, we have to align ourselves to what they can provide... | 10:17 |
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| Dante_J | A bit of something is better than all of nothing | 10:18 |
| Dante_J | and the community are not that far away | 10:18 |
| djszapi_ | why not? | 10:19 |
| djszapi_ | you get to raise your opinion in Jolla which is even considered? | 10:19 |
| djszapi_ | just as much as with Nokia and Intel. XD | 10:19 |
| djszapi_ | I do not see how it is different this time. | 10:19 |
| Dante_J | there is a lot of latent support for harmattan/meego | 10:19 |
| Dante_J | and if people see a future for it, they will act | 10:20 |
| djszapi_ | I went through the same iteration few years ago :) | 10:20 |
| Dante_J | Many potential harmattan/meego developers are currently waiting to see what Jolla are up to. | 10:20 |
| djszapi_ | same thoughts etc about the needs. | 10:20 |
| djszapi_ | and many are not. | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what changes, I think, is the size of the company | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jolla is smaller, more agile | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | closer to community | 10:21 |
| * Dante_J nods | 10:21 | |
| djszapi_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: I do not see that happening really. | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | does Nokia or Intel RT small blogs covering Jolla info ? Or stupid memes made by commnity ? | 10:21 |
| djszapi_ | let me show the public Jolla decisions. | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | soon | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | we will see | 10:21 |
| Dante_J | if Jolla treat the community & developers with some care, then they stand to win in the long run. They will inherit a whole ecosystem | 10:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if Jolla is another Nokintel, then too bad for them | 10:22 |
| djszapi_ | then why are you stating these as facts as of now? | 10:22 |
| djszapi_ | or if it is really "soon" at all? | 10:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, I feel Jolla to be warmer | 10:22 |
| djszapi_ | it is an unfact | 10:22 |
| djszapi_ | and nobody knows if it really comes to that | 10:22 |
| djszapi_ | we heard this too many times from many companies. | 10:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just because they have their twitter feed that is really close to community | 10:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | answering quickly, supporting communities initiatives | 10:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's all | 10:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a personnal feeling | 10:22 |
| Dante_J | Jolla are also more 'hungry' than Nokia or Inter were/are | 10:23 |
| Dante_J | this is a good thing | 10:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 10:23 |
| djszapi_ | but what *type* of questions do they answer? | 10:23 |
| djszapi_ | that is exactly my point | 10:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what do you mean ? | 10:24 |
| djszapi_ | can we have a discussion about decisions? | 10:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | oh, on twitter? | 10:24 |
| Dante_J | djszapi_, you may be correct - this may be all hot air. But hope is not a bad thing, and Jolla are making some of the right moves. | 10:24 |
| djszapi_ | open, and so forth. | 10:24 |
| djszapi_ | Dante_J: I had these hopes too many times :) | 10:24 |
| djszapi_ | I will believe if something is here. | 10:24 |
| Dante_J | with Nokia? | 10:24 |
| djszapi_ | BB already proved their stuff | 10:24 |
| djszapi_ | not just nokia | 10:24 |
| djszapi_ | Intel, etc. | 10:24 |
| djszapi_ | industry was industry years ago as well :) | 10:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | at least, there is not that heavy management around developers, preventing them to do their job | 10:25 |
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| djszapi_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: nobody prevented at Nokia to do my daily job. | 10:26 |
| djszapi_ | in fact, they helped when we were in the same enthusiastic mood. | 10:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | interesting to know | 10:27 |
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| Dante_J | hey khertan_ | 10:30 |
| djszapi_ | I know it is a hot topic for many meegons having this project as a first big hope in their lives. | 10:31 |
| khertan_ | Dante_J, hey ! | 10:31 |
| khertan_ | Morning all ! | 10:31 |
| djszapi_ | but it is probably different for those who went through such hopes in the past. | 10:31 |
| Dante_J | Nice to see you in the IRC flesh | 10:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning khertan_ | 10:31 |
| khertan_ | Dante_J, my computer is often on irc, me less :) | 10:31 |
| khertan_ | :) | 10:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 10:32 |
| Dante_J | Just run Eliza on your computer then ;) | 10:32 |
| Dante_J | I need to go, bye for now all | 10:34 |
| * Dante_J waves | 10:34 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ++ | 10:34 |
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| djszapi | rzr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685905 | 13:47 |
| djszapi | please drop a +1 | 13:47 |
| djszapi | we need this for KDE :) | 13:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 21:20 |
| infobot | ~pong | 21:20 |
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| pa | re | 21:31 |
| pa | rzr, do you use rsync on the device? | 21:31 |
| pa | or.. does anyone use rsync? i tried it now, it shows me the list of files to transfer correctly, but it doesnt transfer anything | 21:32 |
| rzr | pa yes i do | 21:34 |
| rzr | rsync -avx / root@host:/tmp ? | 21:34 |
| rzr | it works | 21:35 |
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| Tronic | Is it possible to unlock N9 without passcode from operator? | 21:40 |
| Tronic | 64 GB white is on sale but unfortunately these are locked devices. | 21:40 |
| jonni | Tronic: if they are simlocked, then no, only way to unlock them is to get unlock code from the operator. If they only have device lock code, then its a different matter. | 21:41 |
| Tronic | Well, not the only way, apparently. There are a lot of websites that sell codes. | 21:42 |
| jonni | Tronic: those codes dont work for N9. | 21:42 |
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| Tronic | How about Inception? | 21:43 |
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| Tronic | (the sites claim to work with N9 but I am not really willing to give my credit card number to such sites) | 21:43 |
| jonni | inception cant help, simlock data is checked in secure pa, and inception nor userspace nor kernel have access there. | 21:44 |
| jonni | well they can claim whatever they want, but even the N9 phone dialer doesnt allow all the letters from the website unlock codes to be entered in the UI :) | 21:44 |
| Tronic | I see. | 21:45 |
| jonni | ofcourse if you have factory phoenix flasher with superdongle you could replace simlocked cmt with unlocked one, but I havent seen anyone leaking that one. So sort answer is that its cheapest to get it from the operator, they usually dont cost that many euroes. | 21:48 |
| Tronic | Thanks, I'll see what I can do (if even the device is still available). | 21:49 |
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| djszapi | What is the requirement for transferring data between my pandaboard and linux host with an ethernet cable? The same range? | 22:08 |
| djszapi | IP range, that. | 22:08 |
| djszapi | jonni: ^ | 22:08 |
| pa | rzr, i wanted to use it from the host | 22:11 |
| jonni | yep should be enough just to be same c-mask and have 255.255.255.0 netmask. (although on some older machines you need crossed cable if nic doesnt autoswitch) | 22:11 |
| pa | like rsync user@phoneip:/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ /whatever/on/the/PC/ | 22:11 |
| jonni | pa: that works too, altough in that case you need to have installed rsync with right capas. | 22:12 |
| pa | aha | 22:12 |
| pa | now i see why it doesnt work then | 22:13 |
| pa | i installed with apt-get from (most likely) rzr repos | 22:13 |
| pa | does it have wrong capas? | 22:14 |
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| jonni | no idea, havent used rzr repo. I compiled custom rsync for me and tweaked capas untill everything worked and I installed package as com.nokia.maemo so it would match the rest of the system ;) | 22:18 |
| pa | ah i see | 22:18 |
| pa | i guess that pkg is not available, is it? | 22:18 |
| djszapi | jonni: or is it simpler to transfer data between the pandaboard and my XP over the microusb port on the board? | 22:19 |
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| jonni | djszapi: most likely rj45 is the simplest, then maybe wifi usb dongle, and then usbnet over microusb. | 22:23 |
| djszapi | lolz | 22:26 |
| djszapi | jonni: I did not have an IP on the pandaboard though | 22:26 |
| djszapi | and dhcpcd did not seem to be installed. | 22:27 |
| djszapi | it is running ubuntu, so I wonder... | 22:27 |
| djszapi | this pandaboard cannot be connected to the internet as we get the ethernet "access" based upon mac addresses. | 22:27 |
| djszapi | I know the macchanger util can modify that, but I would not like to violate the company policies. | 22:27 |
| djszapi | so what can I do? | 22:27 |
| djszapi | aside from usb pen drive carrying etc | 22:28 |
| djszapi | I thought ubuntu would have a dhcp client by default. Do you still use the dhclient stuff? | 22:28 |
| djszapi | I am unsure if the pandaboard could get an IP from the host PC after all. | 22:28 |
| djszapi | as I am not good at this area. | 22:28 |
| djszapi | I would just like to carry data between the pandaboard and host PC; that is all. :) | 22:29 |
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| djszapi | jonni: ^ | 22:34 |
| jonni | connect to usb-serial adapter, and use the ttyUSB and minicom to connect to getty? :) | 22:36 |
| jonni | and setup ip's manually | 22:37 |
| djszapi | not sure what you mean | 22:37 |
| djszapi | I have a display and I can control the OS by connecting the keyboard and mouse to the board. | 22:37 |
| djszapi | or by using an usb cable between the board and the display so that the touch gets working. | 22:37 |
| djszapi | resisitve, I think. | 22:38 |
| djszapi | what do you mean by "setup ip's manually"? | 22:38 |
| jonni | with ifconfig command :) | 22:38 |
| merlin1991 | ip addr something works aswell ;) | 22:38 |
| djszapi | jonni: so just set up the ip manually on both computers without dhcp? | 22:39 |
| djszapi | but I guess I will still need sshd running? | 22:39 |
| jonni | and most likely pandaboard doesnt have dhcpcd, as busybox based distros use udhcpc | 22:39 |
| djszapi | ubuntu is not quite busybox based :-) | 22:40 |
| jonni | well if your panda has ubuntu, then you can just install whatever client you want :) | 22:40 |
| djszapi | nope | 22:41 |
| djszapi | because that is not allowed to connect to the corporate server by policy. | 22:41 |
| djszapi | only the desktop PCs. | 22:41 |
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| djszapi | I do not have problem with the manual setting if it is trivial and simple to get work. | 22:42 |
| djszapi | but I presume I would still need to use ssh, right? | 22:42 |
| jonni | well in that case setting ip manually, then getting second network adapter like usb network card, or wifi network should do the trick | 22:42 |
| jonni | yes you need to install sshd | 22:42 |
| djszapi | usb network card. why? | 22:42 |
| jonni | if your machine is connected to internet as the same time, and dont want to disconnect | 22:45 |
| djszapi | well it is not a problem for disconnect for a few seconds or minutes. | 22:48 |
| djszapi | jonni: also, my host is Windows XP | 22:51 |
| djszapi | can I somehow bypass the host to the vbox (linux)? | 22:52 |
| djszapi | or can psftp be used for this stuff? | 22:54 |
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| jonni | scp / rsync should work just fine | 22:55 |
| djszapi | 'scp' is not recognized.... | 22:56 |
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| djszapi | ajalkane: sup sir lumia guru | 22:56 |
| ajalkane | sup mr djszapi | 22:56 |
| ajalkane | the wife fell asleep. I'm free to do the naughty things I do. | 22:57 |
| jonni | djszapi: heh, ofcourse if you want to do it in the hard way, you can just use tar & netcat pipes ;) | 22:57 |
| djszapi | jonni: I am more thinking of psftp | 22:58 |
| djszapi | I used that last time for uploading the rekonq installer to winkde.org | 22:58 |
| djszapi | unsure if that works with ips as well. | 22:58 |
| djszapi | it has a bit different interface than scp. | 22:58 |
| djszapi | and the other way around (from the pandaboard to win xp) sounds even more painful idea as I have no clue how to set up the ssh server in there. | 22:59 |
| djszapi | well, I thought people would use Windows here as well. | 22:59 |
| djszapi | what do they use when we "scp" on Linux? | 22:59 |
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| ajalkane | putty's scp | 23:00 |
| ajalkane | pscp | 23:00 |
| djszapi | now actually thinking of it. | 23:01 |
| djszapi | I may just use my N9 as a data transferring stuff in mass storage mode. | 23:01 |
| djszapi | if the pandaboard can be host. | 23:01 |
| djszapi | which it can. | 23:01 |
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| djszapi | of course that is totally forbidden by company policy as well :) | 23:02 |
| pa | well, i could probably repackage rsync binaries from rzr pkg with right capas.. jonni , may i ask you at least what capas you said you needed to get it working properly? | 23:02 |
| djszapi | no warez in rzr repo thanks | 23:03 |
| pa | i repackage that for myself, no rzr repo man | 23:04 |
| djszapi | it is not about that. | 23:04 |
| pa | hæ? | 23:04 |
| djszapi | I wanted to emphasize it before any ominous thinking. | 23:04 |
| djszapi | we will play fair there. | 23:04 |
| pa | ok apparently it works.. i must have used wrong syntax | 23:14 |
| pa | cool :) | 23:14 |
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| djszapi | pebkac :p | 23:20 |
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| ieatlint | that's often where my problems tend to occur | 23:43 |
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| rzr | back | 23:52 |
| rzr | what is the problem w/ rsync ? | 23:52 |
| rzr | what capa do you need ? | 23:52 |
| rzr | rsync server ? | 23:52 |
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| pa | rzr, nothing, it actually works very well :) | 23:58 |
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