IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-05-14

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djszapione known issue: after changing the language, the selection box is not changing :(00:00
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i'll check it tonight tomorrow and would report, did you translate with google translate?00:09
ZogG_laptopand do you have hebrew as well?00:10
djszapiZogG_laptop: no google translate of course00:11
djszapiit is done by the KDE internationalization teams00:11
djszapimore than 50-100+00:11
djszapiwith few members in each team00:11
djszapithey have been doing these things for many years00:12
djszapinot just for my app.00:12
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: oh, i knew one over internet who translate for KDE into russian00:18
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itsnotabigtrucki hope susundberg didn't end up getting p0wned by an aegis problem01:24
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: 'sup, wasn't on for a few days01:25
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: I figured out the vtable ABI way does not work as you guessed.01:29
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: well, did it work a different way from how i guessed? :p01:30
ZogG_laptoplet the fight for the nokia n9 nation begin today01:30
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: hm?01:30
ZogG_laptopnever mind01:31
ZogG_laptopyour jabber is offline =\01:32
itsnotabigtruckwell, you can't "never mind" a statement like that! :p01:32
itsnotabigtruckand now it isn't01:32
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tgalalany clue how to get that curved effect for images using QML?02:43
Arietgalal: you mean like in contacts?02:44
tgalalArie: yup02:44
Arietgalal: its not explained in the harmattan framework pages?02:46
tgalalArie: can't seem to find it02:46
Ariewierd, i thought it was there02:48
Arieitsnotabigtruck: any idea?02:49
tgalaloh it has a name02:50
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ZogG_laptoptgalal: does it mean something about image transfer is comming?03:16
ArieZogG_laptop: no03:16
ZogG_laptopthan for what?03:17
ZogG_laptoptgalal: ?03:17
ArieZogG_laptop: contact images03:18
tgalalZogG_laptop: for displaying contacts pictures rounded :)03:18
ZogG_laptopthan last solution suites03:20
ZogG_laptopi'm gonna go to sleep03:20
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itsnotabigtrucktgalal: keep in mind that the squircle isn't used on the N9 except for icons03:46
itsnotabigtruckother things are generally rounded rectangles03:46
itsnotabigtruckthe difference is that a squircle has curved sides03:46
itsnotabigtruckcan't help you with how to actually put it into action though03:46
itsnotabigtrucki'm guessing you're trying to emulate the appearance of the native MMS display03:46
tgalalitsnotabigtruck: I'm just trying to display contacts images as squircles03:48
itsnotabigtrucktgalal: except they probably shouldn't be squircles, they should be rounded rectangles03:48
itsnotabigtruckespecially since the images aren't necessarily square03:48
tgalalitsnotabigtruck: I'll try that03:48
itsnotabigtruckand a stretched squircle would be kind of weird03:49
itsnotabigtruckremember that the squircle is a very specific geometric shape (it's what harmattan icons are)03:49
itsnotabigtruckit appears not to be very easy03:52
itsnotabigtrucki wonder what the native gui uses03:52
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Arieteleshoes: hi06:40
Ariebedf0rd: hi06:40
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Arieteleshoes: i figured out this morning who you are on tmo, lol06:41
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teleshoesi probably should have made those the same06:41
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Arieteleshoes: it would have helped, lol06:42
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djszapibef0rd: hola08:51
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djszapiwhat is the best way of calling a C++ method from QML which expects a string list ? Shall I use a "property variant" type in QML for that purpose to collect the strings into a list, or what is the recommended way ?08:56
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Morpogman those people @tmo are dumb sometimes.........10:37
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lpapp|n9interesting that webchat works, but irc-chatter10:44
Morpogirc-chatter works here10:50
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lpapp|n9morprog cannot with sasl10:52
Morpog? im connected via irc-chatter. No need for sasl.10:57
djszapiMorpog: of course, there is a need in a certain range.11:00
djszapithat is how freenode works.11:00
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Morpogwell who needs an registered user ;-)11:01
djszapiMorpog: ? sorry ?11:02
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djszapiMorpog: asdfasdfdas nick cannot login without sasl in my network11:03
Morpogoh so they force sasl on some servers?11:05
djszapiwhich they consider "spammy".11:05
djszapilike my mobile internet provider :-D11:05
Morpogah thats bad luck11:06
djszapiyeah, and the irc-chatter project is kinda abandoned11:07
djszapiI reported like 20+ issues, but none has been fixed, just "ack"'d.11:07
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djszapiMorpog: what is your native language ?11:08
Morpogwell harmattan aint really future proof. I hope meltemi is compatible, which wouod help alot.11:09
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djszapianybody not using English system language on harmattan ?11:30
djszapicould such a person report me the line on the console after installing and running my application ? This line: KLOCALE_LANGUAGE: "XXX"11:33
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djszapiKLOCALE_LANGUAGE: "hu" in here.11:39
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ZogG_laptoptgalal: i saw in twitter you started wazzshit app =P12:23
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khertanMorning !12:24
tgalalZogG_laptop: yeah I like that name lol12:24
ZogG_laptoptgalal: next time just do not saying you have working app until you release, people wouldn't live you alone, they just "I WANT IT SOOOOOO BAD"12:24
ZogG_laptopkhertan: morning pal12:24
tgalalZogG_laptop: true12:25
tgalallesson learned12:25
ZogG_laptopdid you succeed with round corners?12:26
tgalalhaven't tried it yet, queued it :)12:26
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khertanhéhé ... this is the problem with users, you can't release not yet finish apps.12:34
khertanthey want finished apps.12:34
khertanfar away from the philosophy: Release Early, Release Often12:34
khertan(this is also true with all that crappy "Store"12:35
ZogG_laptopkhertan: true and wrong12:36
ZogG_laptopthey want to have an app even if it's buggy12:36
ZogG_laptopbut when it's released they would tell you how crappy it is coz it's buggy12:37
ZogG_laptopso one way or another you would be blamed12:37
khertanno no ... they don't want buggy apps ... they whine and say apps crappy, even if you fix bugs12:37
ZogG_laptopkhertan: you didn't get me12:37
khertanyeah :)12:37
khertani understand after12:37
khertanhot reacting is bad :)12:37
ZogG_laptopif there is app that is not relesed yet but announced12:37
ZogG_laptopeven not app but new PR12:38
ZogG_laptopeveryone wants to install it as much early as possible12:38
khertannow i understand a bit more the secret philosophy of some company12:38
ZogG_laptopbut than they just tell you how crappy it is after release =)12:38
khertanyeah, as it didn't implement the return value of the chair-keyboard interface12:39
ZogG_laptopthe most annoying post on TMO was when someone told fMMS is a crap app. i wanted to punch that guy12:39
khertanof course users will whine12:39
ZogG_laptopafter we had no mms on maemo and frals hard work, someone instead of saying how maybe to improve just told that app is crap. PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE12:40
khertanZogG_laptop, haha, today, i ve try to see what's news on maemo by going to tmo12:40
khertani ve seen this post : and close the browser12:41
ZogG_laptopkhertan: most of posts are "Cmon guys we are cool community, do the app for me" instead of app put any closesourced app or one with no API (instagram, google+, iphone/android games)12:41
khertansooooooo trruuuuueeeee12:42
ZogG_laptopcheck here, i actually tried to explaine it to one guy but he answered the same thing in different words to me everytime, i just gave up12:43
ZogG_laptopbut i still think open source rules —
ZogG_laptopkhertan: can you pack khteditor as single package and upload to apps4meego? i understand it's more advance over SimpleText12:46
khertanZogG_laptop, it s didn't work anymore due ... in fact i don't know why using QTextEdit make QMLEngine segfault12:47
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khertanlook like pr1.2 break the things12:47
khertanand it s segfault (yeah ... python / pyside code ...)12:48
khertanUsing QGraphicProxyWidget seems to make segfault qml engine in some circunstance12:48
khertanthat i can't determine without leaving my hair12:48
khertanZogG, TxtPad isn't bad, still some bugs12:49
ZogG_laptopkhertan: why don't you go for plain Qt, or it's impossible with harmattan12:49
khertan(sometime overwrite a file with an other due to problem in QML Qt component menu)12:49
khertanZogG_laptop, plain qt is unusable on harmattan12:49
ZogG_laptopwhy so12:49
khertanZogG_laptop, none theme, none vkb12:49
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG uses it in his facebook app as i understand12:50
khertanZogG_laptop, slow as hell12:50
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG good morning12:50
MohammadAGFast as fuck ;)12:50
khertanZogG_laptop, yeah mtf not plain qt ... mtf didn't have TextEdit component :)12:50
MohammadAGMorning :)12:50
ZogG_laptopkhertan: than create one =P12:50
MohammadAGThere's MTextEdit...12:50
khertanMorpog, MohammadAG12:50
khertanMohammadAG, did you try it ?12:50
MohammadAGBonjour khertan12:51
ZogG_laptopwhat MTF stands for btw12:51
MohammadAGkhertan: My status update sheet uses an MTextEdit for input12:51
infobotA Microsoft Tape Format reader. URL:
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG The Fraud ? =)12:51
ZogG_laptopnono, its MohammadAG The First12:52
MohammadAG~mtf is also MeeGoTouchFramework, a deprecated framework that's miles faster than QML12:52
infobotokay, MohammadAG12:52
khertanthe other reason to not use MTF is there is no pyside binding for it12:52
khertanand that my previous test show that there was too many glitches to be use with vkb12:53
khertanbut this was with beta firmware12:53
ZogG_laptopso it doesn't use qml at all? i know that most native apps from Nokia are MTF12:53
khertanC++ code don't compile on device12:53
khertanZogG_laptop, no mtf didn't use qml12:53
MohammadAGInstall gcc12:53
ZogG_laptopyou compile on device?12:54
khertanZogG_laptop, it s a sort of fork of QtWidget framework12:54
MohammadAGWho? Me?12:54
ZogG_laptopcan't you compile on scratchbox or something?12:54
khertanZogG_laptop, yeah i can, but i code in the train or metro :)12:54
MohammadAGkhertan: No, QGraphicsWidget :p12:54
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG even you12:54
khertanMohammadAG, indeed12:54
MohammadAGI compile on my i5 laptop12:54
MohammadAGI hate waiting12:54
ZogG_laptopkhertan: don't tell me you code on device12:54
khertanZogG_laptop, so why did i write code editor ?12:55
khertanZogG_laptop, all my maemo/meego apps are coded on device12:55
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG btw didn't wait till you go to Egypt to buy me cheap laptop and bought here expensive shit =)12:55
Morpogis there a way in irc-chatter to disable autoscroll?12:56
khertanmy n950 is faster than my laptop : ARM 1Ghz vs ARM 400Mhz12:56
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ZogG_laptopMorpog: don't think so, but you can request it from Venemo or other devs12:56
MohammadAGYour laptop has a faster framework12:56
ZogG_laptopkhertan: than you need to make app that also integrated with OBS for meego =P12:56
Morpogkinda annoying when reading old stuff and others are chatting :-)12:57
khertanZogG_laptop, why integrated ? obs have an web interface12:57
ZogG_laptopkhertan: so you code in editor and than it's automagically sends code to obs and than you get link for deb =) .... and BJ12:58
ZogG_laptopbtw seriously i think github client would be nice, need to check the api12:59
khertanZogG_laptop, no need to get link for deb ... i create binary and source package also on device12:59
ZogG_laptopkhertan you are crazy, so it's not an example12:59
khertanthis is also why i need a hw keyboard on a phone12:59
ZogG_laptopkhertan: you need to release more of your stuff to apps4meego13:00
khertani was doing the same at the old time on my Palm TungstenTX with PalmPascal compiling on the go :)13:00
ZogG_laptopi'm not always can write on normal keyboard(i'm hyperactive and dyslex) i don't get how you manage on phone13:00
khertanZogG_laptop, apps4meego sucks didn't like extern dependancies, didn't accept code without gui13:00
khertanZogG_laptop, key are nearest than on a standart computer keyboard ... so less movement to reach the next key after pressing one :)13:01
ZogG_laptopi don't remember both nicks but there are guys on maemo with gentoo on N900 and N81013:02
khertan(i also use a compact keyboard on my desktop)13:02
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: btw ^13:02
khertanZogG_laptop, and on desktop i use openbox ... so i'm clearly not the average user13:03
ZogG_laptopkhertan: on desctop i use xfce4 but on laptop i use awesome wm13:03
ZogG_laptopthinking to try i3wm though13:04
ZogG_laptopor wmfs13:04
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khertancrunchbang in fact on desktop13:05
khertanless thing to configure13:05
ZogG_laptopkhertan: haha there is unity on arch btw13:05
ZogG_laptopjust reading tread now about it13:05
khertancrunchbang too on laptop, but mainly for terminator terminal use13:05
ZogG_laptopkhertan: i tried arch, but i find all distros illogical comparing to gentoo/funtoo13:06
ZogG_laptopi think gentoo is most logical thing13:06
ZogG_laptopand with modern PC's compiling is nothing13:06
khertancrunchbang isn't so bad, it  s a debian with an already made config for openbox13:07
khertanZogG_laptop, yeah but require time to install13:07
ZogG_laptopi though it was arch based13:07
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: actually it's really easy after you understand it13:07
khertanit s not ... put the usb key install ... almost nothing to maintain or to fix13:07
ZogG_laptopi'm ready to help you to install funtoo if you want or gentoo13:07
khertanZogG_laptop, it s didn't use apt tools ... this is already a problem :)13:08
ZogG_laptopkhertan: why is ti the problem?13:08
khertanbecause it s not apt :)13:08
khertan i like them, love them, use them, create some, require to test it for client13:08
ZogG_laptopbelive me once you understand use flags and portage all apt would look sad =)13:09
ZogG_laptopi think it has apt related stuff and you have scratchbox anyway13:10
ZogG_laptop app-arch/dpkg is there btw13:10
khertanbut why change, as actual config works, and works well ? :)13:11
ZogG_laptopkhertan: just try on vmware or something13:13
khertanyeah, but first problem, no official support arm for arch linux13:14
khertanwill try just because never try it yet :)13:15
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* khertan hate ubuntu, didn't like kde desktop, hate unity, didn't like gnome 3.2 (too much bug for the moment), didn't like gnome2, like tint2 and openbox13:16
* khertan love fremantle and harmattan13:16
* khertan got some strange packages problem with lmde13:17
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ZogG_laptoptry xfce413:23
ZogG_laptopmint thing i think13:23
khertanlinux mint debian edition13:24
* khertan don't like xfce413:24
merlin1991so if you want help, state your problem ;)13:25
khertani've no problem13:26
khertanreally happy with crunchbang13:26
merlin1991khertan got some strange packages problem with lmde13:26
merlin1991== no problem13:26
khertanmerlin1991, yeah ... oh ... was at the first release of lmde13:27
khertani'm just enumerating my perfect distro research for my own use13:27
khertanMY OWN USE13:27
ZogG_laptopuse Librete Linux13:28
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khertanZogG_laptop, wasn't the thing which media reports as "The Annonymous OS" ?13:29
ZogG_laptoplol not all version of win8 would support DVD's videos =)13:32
ZogG_laptopkhertan: yeap13:32
khertanZogG_laptop, if only the preview release have a format option in their install tool13:35
khertanZogG_laptop, it can't format a disk :)13:35
khertanZogG_laptop, so i need to mount an other vm, to format the virtual disk13:35
khertanok it s a preview release not a final one13:36
khertanZogG_laptop, anyway all windows users use vlc ;)13:36
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ZogG_laptopmplayer > *13:37
ZogG_laptopkhertan: i'm talking not about preview i'm talking about release13:38
khertanZogG_laptop, archlinux install isn't gui?13:42
ZogG_laptopkhertan: don't remember13:42
ZogG_laptopi installed once, played for few days and got back to gentoo13:43
ZogG_laptopkhertan: but there is arch+openbox outofbox distro i think13:44
khertan(this can be due to the vm)13:45
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rzr-got-n9-yeahi got a new device , can you suggest some backup or anything before using/crashing it  ?15:12
ZogG_laptoprzr-got-n9-yeah: so now n900+n950+n9?15:15
ZogG_laptopmazal tov15:15
rzr-got-n9-yeahno n900 yet15:16
rzr-got-n9-yeahn700 too15:16
ZogG_laptopyou need n900 man and n810 wimax edition for collection15:18
rzr-got-n9-yeahi wanted a n900 but that usb glitche retain me for buying it15:18
rzr-got-n9-yeahi also have a qt green phone and freerunner15:18
ZogG_laptopqt grenn phone?15:19
ZogG_laptopmy n900 died with usb fallen off15:19
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ZogG_laptopfirst time i heard of it15:23
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Corsachmhm, is there a project to put apps4meego client to ovi store?16:01
Corsacor is it against ovi policies?16:01
ZogG_laptopCorsac: why would you want it in Ovi?16:02
rzr-got-n9-yeahi am usure because IICR ovi reclaim exclusivity of binaries distribution ...16:03
rzr-got-n9-yeahwell double check16:03
CorsacZogG_laptop: to not have to enable external source installs (in case the app4meego client doesn't need it to run)16:05
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ZogG_laptopCorsac: it does need to add source, otherwise how would it install packages16:10
ZogG_laptopit's just gui for manager16:10
CorsacZogG_laptop: I know16:10
CorsacZogG_laptop: but I'm a bit unsure about what “allow installation from external sources” really means16:11
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ZogG_laptopCorsac: they have same aegis permittions as Ovi btw16:12
ZogG_laptopthey got them from Nokia16:12
ZogG_laptopso no worries16:12
djszapiZogG_laptop: you have tried the stuff :D16:12
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: gonna do it now16:12
ZogG_laptopwait gonna install it16:12
CorsacZogG_laptop: I assumed that “external sources” basically mean “using dpkg directly” or something like that16:12
djszapiZogG_laptop: make sure you have the latest.16:12
CorsacZogG_laptop: my guess was that, if they have the same aegis permissions as nokia, they should be considered as “certified sources”16:14
Corsacand thus don't need the “allow install from uncertified sources”16:14
Corsacbut I might be wrong16:14
ZogG_laptopCorsac: you didn't get it16:15
Corsacmaybe not16:15
ZogG_laptopthe client and repos are not known as you add them from internets, but the packages on the repos are certificated16:15
ZogG_laptopCorsac: to get certificates you need to install at least from repo, but you can't install from there untill you add it =)16:16
Corsacthat's exactly why I asked if there were plans to ship the client from ovi16:16
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: installing it16:17
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: o you have hebrew as well, not my native but i live in Israel and my gf's native so i may check16:18
djszapicannot recall sorry :)16:18
djszapiat least the menu and settings page strings should work if N9 supports that16:18
djszapias for the lesson words, most likely not.16:18
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: installing16:19
djszapino "he" for the lesson words, sorry.16:19
djszapibut perhaps she could help with translating so that it gets available for ot hers ?16:20
djszapinot just in kanagram, but also in other applications using the same database, like khangman.16:20
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djszapi -> if she can help with translating the few words in there, that would be awesome. :)16:21
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: bad for you, not me16:21
djszapiI can ask later the KDE "he" translation team as well.16:21
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i'll ask you, but there is better solution, you know waze developer?16:21
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: found bug16:23
ZogG_laptopstarted game16:23
ZogG_laptopit was under space cathegory but it has numbers16:23
ZogG_laptopswitched to numbers it's still numbers16:23
ZogG_laptopswitched back to space and its space16:23
ZogG_laptopprobably it's first category by default first run but it shows second one16:24
djszapithere is one known bug16:24
djszapiit always picks up the first category16:24
djszapiafter a language change16:24
djszapior after a launch16:24
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: yeah but it shows second one16:24
ZogG_laptoptitle is space but it was numbers16:24
ZogG_laptopwhile space is second and nubers is the first16:25
djszapifirst category -> second16:25
djszapisince the indexing begins from zero16:25
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: and it crashed16:25
djszapicool :)16:25
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djszapibeford: ping16:26
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: yeah so it shows 1st cathegory at start while it uses words from 0 cathegory16:26
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i used answers (just checked words) fast one after another and it crashed16:26
djszapiZogG_laptop: com'on, where do you rush to...16:26
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i solved few16:27
ZogG_laptopand now checking if words right16:27
djszapiyou are using russian words, right ?16:27
ZogG_laptopif you have specific check you want me to do - tell me i'll check16:27
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: right16:27
ZogG_laptoptill now one i didnt one is the word, but it's probably me16:27
djszapiwhat do you mean ?16:31
ZogG_laptopthere is astonaut or how to spell it16:33
ZogG_laptopand cosmonaut16:33
ZogG_laptopthe second is like first one but russian16:33
ZogG_laptopbut there was metenaut or something there16:34
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: so you want me to check all words?16:45
ZogG_laptopoh also other things?16:45
djszapihave you also checked the hints in Russian ?16:45
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: no, gonna check now16:45
djszapijust my thoroughly, so the viruses can lay down properly :)16:46
djszapiuse my app thoroughly*16:46
ZogG_laptopwhy does the main menu still in english?16:46
djszapibecause your system language is English.16:47
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: ok, another one, hint is no good if it's long sentence as you have time in corner and they lay on each other16:47
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djszapiZogG_laptop: yes16:47
ZogG_laptopmake hint background not transperent16:47
djszapithen you will not see from the timer.16:48
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: geature request - if i check not last letter i can swap it with other one16:49
djszapithat would complicate the workflow :)16:49
djszapiI am afraid.16:49
ZogG_laptopjust thoughts16:50
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ZogG_laptopas i n russia sometimes you pronounce «a» while you write «o»16:50
ZogG_laptopso u can make mistake16:50
djszapiyou can revert a change16:50
ZogG_laptopso instead of whole word delete16:50
djszapiby tapping on the last character16:50
djszapiswapping is not possible for now.16:51
djszapithe problem is that it might require a lot of work with not so much gain. :/16:52
ZogG_laptophints are fine16:52
djszapiany Mac users here ?16:52
ZogG_laptophints look fine16:53
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: and again - why is UI still in english16:54
djszapi16:47 < djszapi> because your system language is English.16:54
djszapior the russian translators did not translate this yet.16:55
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: my system is in english right16:55
ZogG_laptopbut i think it should be switched16:55
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ZogG_laptopas well as i would make than two language setting16:55
ZogG_laptopone is dictionary or word's bank16:55
ZogG_laptopand other as menu16:55
djszapiwhy ?16:56
ZogG_laptopif they are separeted16:56
djszapiyou have a system language for each language16:56
djszapiit is not app specific16:56
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djszapithe in-app language selection is for that, what language you would like to learn16:56
ZogG_laptopor you should go for full tranlation over menu and not half with setting and half with current local16:56
djszapiwith the words.16:56
djszapiyou confuse two things16:56
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: than call it other thna language16:56
djszapi1) Application translation 2) Lesson translation16:56
ZogG_laptopcall it Word's Bank Language or something16:56
djszapiswitch your phone to Russian and you can test the menu and settings page strings16:57
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tgalalbeford: yow17:01
djszapiZogG_laptop: thank you for your testing17:01
djszapihope you did not find this too disgusting :D17:01
djszapibeford: ping17:02
befordhey djszapi tgalal17:02
djszapibeford: need a bit of help17:02
tgalalbeford: how's last update?17:02
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: waaait, i can test more17:03
ZogG_laptopanything else particulary you want me to test?17:03
beforddjszapi, yes tell me17:03
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: lol, what is coffee doing in computers category?17:04
djszapiZogG_laptop: you do not drink coffee as a computer programmer ?17:04
djszapibeford: git clone git://
djszapicd qtserialport && qmake && make && ./examples/terminal/terminal17:05
djszapidoes this run ?17:05
befordtgalal, it's great! I haven't had any problem yet :)17:05
beforddjszapi, on OS X ?17:05
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: and there not enuf words in computer17:06
djszapibeford: yep, MAc.17:06
ZogG_laptopadd linux btw17:06
djszapiZogG_laptop: linux is dead xD17:06
ZogG_laptopbeford, tgalal good to hear =)17:06
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: viva la Plan9 \0/17:06
ZogG_laptopor BeeOs ?17:06
tgalalbeford, ZogG_laptop yeah great! :)17:08
ZogG_laptoptgalal: change almost there ot 99,99% =P17:08
Morpoglol people would freak out again17:10
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djszapibeford: let me know if the example works fine, or it has troubles.17:11
ZogG_laptoptgalal: make index page with warning that site was shutdown by USA fedaral antipiracy agentcy and that you was arrested =)17:12
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tgalalZogG_laptop: lol, and I should also leave the Donate button anyway17:13
ZogG_laptopjust change it to Bail From Jail17:15
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djszapiZogG_laptop: you can now vote in ovi, with "Cool app, one star" :)17:17
djszapiwhat is wazapp ?17:24
ZogG_laptoptgalal: looks the same (dyslexia here)17:25
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Morpogwonders how long it will take before the first whiner appears on tmo and tells us that this is the proof that its fake ;-)17:30
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ZogG_laptoptgalal: t in here is extra17:33
ZogG_laptopmake it ltsmAo eHre17:34
tgalalor almost there :P17:34
ZogG_laptopi though here17:36
ZogG_laptopthan ehTre17:36
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ZogG_laptop$ imgr 2012-05-14-203751_775x451_scrot.png17:38
tgalalthere you go17:38
ZogG_laptoptgalal: ^17:38
tgalalZogG_laptop: endless possibilities could fit in at the moment :D17:39
ZogG_laptoptgalal: now i go to forum and spread the rumors that if you changed than you are gonna release it tonight and that with other nick i'll say that you just trolling17:39
ZogG_laptopand than it would be fun17:39
tgalalwell u don't need to do that, I bet the fun already started :D17:40
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tgalalZogG_laptop: ^17:40
djszapibeford: ping17:41
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pahow allowed is a program that "updates" itself ota?17:42
pa(i mean on the market)17:42
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ZogG_laptoptgalal: btw how do you think to integrate emotions? using harmattan natives or ...?17:42
ZogG_laptoppa: rephrase17:42
tgalalZogG_laptop: wazapp has much more and different emotions17:43
tgalalso I guess it's gonna be a "one more" rip off lol17:43
paok, i mean, will nokia pass on ovi store an app that can update itself on the air? (without the need of updating the .deb i mean)17:43
ZogG_laptoptgalal: i'm serious, if i have chat with official client how do smiles go both sides17:44
tgalalZogG_laptop: I am, I'll have to use whatsapp's original set17:44
ZogG_laptoppa: i wouldn't do it17:44
paZogG_laptop, why?17:44
ZogG_laptoppa: i think you should just add function to check for updates and than update thru ovi17:44
ZogG_laptoppa: because than QA is useless17:45
ZogG_laptopthey checked your code, and than you can add anythig you want to it and they can't check17:45
pawell yeah17:46
ZogG_laptoppa: so it makes QA useless17:47
pawell yeah, but there are advantages too17:48
khertanit ll be quite easy to execute unchecked code, as qml is interpreted17:48
Morpogtgalal maybe point the community to the original ones and let them create a new set.17:48
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ZogG_laptop instagram for windowsphone, lol just browsing17:48
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ZogG_laptopMorpog: there are no original ones17:48
ZogG_laptopMorpog: it's emotions from iphone17:49
ZogG_laptopor they have there own ?17:49
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Morpogif i remember correctl on symbian it was their own.17:49
ZogG_laptopdon't have whats app here17:51
Morpogdont have my n8 here17:53
faenilI've got n817:54
Morpogand whatsapp? how much emoticons are they and can you extract/export them?17:56
faenillet me give it a look17:57
faenilmy gf is using my n8 atm17:57
djszapifaenil: o/17:57
faenilhey djszapi :)17:57
djszapi'sup volleyball championship master ;)17:58
faenilwe lost yesterday :( 4° place for us17:58
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djszapigo home and practice then xD17:58
faenilehehe :D17:59
faenilcoding atm, I'll practise later, k dad? :D17:59
djszapiwell, if you get five marks in the school my kid :p18:00
djszapior whatever the best is in Italy :)18:00
ZogG_laptopfaenil: than tell us about your gf meanwhile18:01
faenilZogG_laptop, lol18:01
ZogG_laptopi'll check my gf's blackberry18:01
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tgalalZogG_laptop: whatsapp uses "emoji" which I think is available for download publicly18:04
faenilZogG_laptop, whatsapp doesn't start on my n8, too old version it says, redownloading it now18:05
djszapiwhy is this wazapp this famous ?18:05
MohammadAGEmoji from iOS518:05
djszapiwhat does it can do for me ?18:05
MohammadAGEmoji is from iOS *18:05
MohammadAGdjszapi, nothing, if you don't need it, don't know what it does18:05
djszapiwazapp flows even from the tap in here :)18:06
MohammadAGoriginal is called whatsapp fyi18:07
djszapiohh, that does not sound cool :)18:07
faenilLOL EPIC FAIL, N8 takes me to windows phone marketplace to download whatsapp XD18:08
faenilso, it seems I can't download whatsapp from the phone...18:09
faenilgod this is so stupid18:09
faenilthey don't even check the OS of the model which has that UA?18:10
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djszapifaenil: I told ya go back and practice volleyball instead ;)18:10
faenillol you should tell that to whatsapp's webmasters18:10
tgalalI wonder what whatsapp's reaction towards wazapp means, which is absolute silence18:11
Morpogfaenil, try via nokia store18:11
djszapifaenil: perhaps it is not wazapp enough18:12
MohammadAGtgalal, they probably don't know about it18:13
faenilMorpog, it says "Launch" in the store18:13
MohammadAGThat's why we need marketing18:13
MohammadAGI'll tweet about it for $1/tweet18:14
faeniland whatsapp says "your app is too old,go to to download the new one"18:14
MohammadAG$0.7 for each retweet18:14
faenilwhich then takes you to WINDOWS PHONE MARKETPLACE18:14
MohammadAGfaenil, open whatsapp.com18:14
Morpogthe store has a section where you can do updates, just like with n918:14
MohammadAGfaenil, you seem happy, or high, whichever's making you caps lock :P18:14
tgalalfaenil: drop your N8 and go for N9 and wazapp :P18:14
tgalalMohammadAG: yeah, and what else? lol18:15
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Morpogi stll love the n8s cam, n9s one sucks :-)18:15
faeniltgalal, not using my N8 :) using Lumia800 and Playbook atm :)18:15
faenilMohammadAG, I'm just shocked :D18:15
faeniltrue, N8's cam is very nice :)18:16
MohammadAGtgalal, nothing, that's enough marketing for whatsapp to notice :)18:18
tgalalMohammadAG: oh maybe I should also add a bigger donate button to your paypal account on the website as well :D18:21
djszapibeford: ping18:21
djszapianybody else with Mac in here ?18:21
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: helped tgalal with code?18:22
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tgalalZogG_laptop: MohammadAG is dying to see the code :P18:23
MohammadAGtgalal, I've seen the notification code!18:24
MohammadAGtgalal, no no, just on first startup and each page in the app18:24
ZogG_laptopwhat are you talking about18:25
MohammadAGbut yeah, I'm dying to see the rest of the code18:25
MohammadAGwell, cause I feel like one less python app is better for everyone18:25
tgalallol what's wrong with python18:26
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: would rewrite to MTF?18:26
MohammadAGJust that, it's python18:26
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, yes18:26
tgalalZogG_laptop: if I release the code :P18:26
MohammadAGWe could always incept, RE and RE18:26
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: why didn't you try to write from scratch18:27
MohammadAGcause I hate working with XMPP18:27
khertanMohammadAG, lol ... an other python hater18:28
MohammadAGif he gave me all the code on 29/4 I would've released the MTF version on 1/518:28
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: don't say HOP before you jump over18:28
ZogG_laptopbut i know you are good programmer18:29
khertanMohammadAG, more python apps we have, better it ll be for users18:29
MohammadAGI've worked with XMPP before18:29
ZogG_laptopand i remember you just starting =P18:29
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MohammadAGmore Python apps rewritten in MTF, the better it'll be for RAM and the CPU18:29
khertanin fact, not really true ... if you write it well, it could use less CPU and RAM than poorly written things in mtf18:30
khertanand will be portable18:30
khertanas mtf is deprecated, and none binding exists for python18:30
khertanyou can't use currently mtf with python on harmattan18:31
khertanso use qml is the only choice18:31
khertanand this is where we lost memory and cpu :)18:31
khertannot python18:31
ZogG_laptopkhertan: if it good written in MTF it would be better imo18:31
khertanZogG_laptop, as mtf isn't really maintained let me doubt18:32
ZogG_laptopf# that18:32
ZogG_laptopuse assembly for mips18:32
MohammadAGkhertan, seriously, mtf being deprecated is a weak weak argument18:32
MohammadAGthe platform you're developing on is dead18:32
MohammadAGmove to iOS/android18:32
MohammadAGsee? two can moot-argue18:32
javispedrothat has been my point since the day it was released ;)18:33
ZogG_laptopwhat i affraid harmattan wouldn't be supported like maemo after nokia have ditched it18:34
djszapioh damn...18:35
djszapimy #meltemi channel registration was handed over to the freenode staff after my accidental unregistration on freenode. xD18:35
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: haha i think it's taken18:36
djszapiyep for Windows purposes :)18:37
ZogG_laptopand i think meltmi is step back to first step of six =)18:37
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djszapiI hope they will give out next-billion devices at the QtCS.18:39
ZogG_laptopi always here about eco system and next billion from nokia18:39
ZogG_laptopbut they are saying it for years and no result18:40
ZogG_laptopas well as a lot of symbian qt apps not ported to maemo and harmattan18:40
djszapiyou have wrong ears :P18:41
ZogG_laptopwhat do you mean?18:42
ZogG_laptophere = hear btw18:43
djszapithere is this openfec project18:43
djszapiand they do not have an install target generated with cmake ???18:43
djszapiI wrote to the guy18:43
djszapisince the repository is not even available...18:43
djszapihe told me that install target is unnecessary18:43
djszapiI cannot even send a patch since the repository is not shared, just released tarball18:43
djszapiand he desperately thinks this is a good way of developing18:43
djszapiwell, who cares about his stuff, I do not.18:44
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: you can fork if you have sources18:44
djszapi...or I can just a properly distributed open project.18:44
djszapiseriously, no install target ?18:44
djszapiwhat the heck ?18:44
djszapino open repository in an _open_foo project? What the heck ?18:45
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djszapithanks, but no thanks from their software.18:47
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: you acting like a girl =P18:49
djszapino, they are acting like 30 years ago18:49
djszapiwhen there was no VCS system18:49
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djszapibut even at the old times, Makefiles consisted of install targets18:50
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djszapihow can *anybody* install the software without a local patch by *each* single customer ?18:50
SpeedEvilFEC - for what?18:53
djszapiperhaps you wanna read the theory behind FEc.18:53
djszapiat least the guy told me they have presentations published.18:54
SpeedEvilI know the theory.18:54
djszapianyway, openfec -> big no go.18:54
SpeedEvilI assume you have some application in mind.18:54
djszapisorry, I cannot share the business logic.18:54
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djszapiI am unsure I have ever seen a C++ library in the last few years which does not provide an install target, nor a VCS repository and the name begins with _open_18:55
* djszapi is checking fecpp18:57
djszapiSpeedEvil: have you ever used a fec library ?19:00
SpeedEvilI've only coded it myself19:00
SpeedEvilAnd really basic stuff19:00
djszapiI need Optimized Reed-Solomon.19:00
SpeedEvilRS isn't very computationally expensive - or do you mean for large volumes of data?19:01
djszapino, just few bytes19:01
faenilwhat do you use to put some space between some elements in a Column? a transparent rectangle?19:02
djszapifaenil: space ?19:03
faenilempty space19:03
djszapiwhat is wrong about "spacing" ?19:03
faenilthat it's applied to all elements? ...19:03
djszapibetween the elements, yes...19:04
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faenilI didn't write between the elements :P19:04
djszapi"what do you use to put some space between some elements in a Column?"19:04
faenilokay, now read it19:04
djszapiagain, spacing was designed for that.19:05
faenildefinition: The spacing is the amount in pixels left empty between adjacent items. The default spacing is 0.19:05
faenilit is the same for all elements.19:05
faenilNow...I want some space between SOME elements19:05
djszapiand what is the problem ?19:06
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djszapiI am really not getting this since it is basic QML19:06
djszapihow to position certain elements to each other.19:06
faenilI was just asking how you usually do it, since a transparent rectangle seemed weird19:06
djszapithat is totally broken idea.19:06
djszapiperhaps you might wanna read about margins19:07
faenilI know about margins19:07
djszapior putting the internal elements into a column, etc19:07
djszapitons of ways existing.19:07
faeniloh for god's sake djszapi  :D19:07
djszapiwhat is the exact problem ?19:07
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faenildid anyone understand my question? :D19:07
faenilthat I have one column19:07
MohammadAGwhich reminds me, how do I have a spacer in MTF....19:07
faeniland want to put some space only between some elements19:07
djszapifaenil: I do not understand your problem19:08
djszapiyou have tons of ways to achieve that19:08
djszapiwhat is the exact problem ?19:08
djszapiwhich way have you tried ?19:08
faenilname one ;)19:08
djszapimargins ?19:08
djszapiputtin the relevant items into another column ? etc19:09
faenilthe Column docs says you should not play with margins,anchors, positions, etc of the items inside a colum19:09
faenilwithout using another column :)19:09
faenilso margins is out19:09
djszapiwhy cannot you use margin ?19:10
djszapithat makes no sense to me19:10
faenilbecause docs say you should not19:10
djszapiyou can always even use an Item container19:10
djszapiand use the marging or spacing inside19:10
djszapiwhat is this hard ?19:10
djszapireally tons of ways in basic qml :)19:10
djszapiyou try to use Column how it was not supposed to be used19:11
faenilok so the answer is: you can't do that with a column19:11
faenilthat's it19:11
djszapiof course you can19:11
djszapiI even mentioned many ways19:11
faenilyou mentioned ways which are against docs19:11
faeniland which require adding columns :)19:12
djszapido not misinterpret me, nor the docs19:12
faenilok :P19:12
djszapiI have said use Column internally for spacing where they are equal.19:12
djszapior item with margin.19:12
faenilItem inside the column right?19:12
djszapiwell, that is not the best19:12
djszapiI would use another column19:12
djszapisince you need a column anyway19:12
faenilleave out another column...19:13
djszapiwhy would you ?19:13
djszapiyou wanna have columns19:13
djszapiwith spacings19:13
faenildjszapi, just beacuse I don't want to :)19:13
djszapiso make a column for column purposes with different spacings19:13
djszapiwhat is wrong ?19:13
djszapiwell, if you do not wanna get the correct answer, then do not ask xD19:13
faenilnothing, just want to see if there's any decent solution to my question19:13
faenildjszapi, you keep saying ideas which go against my prereqs :D19:14
faenilno other columns19:14
djszapithen why ask ?19:14
faenilwhy not?19:14
djszapiif you do not wanna solve it how it is supposed to be solved ?19:14
djszapithen I can ignore the next question :P19:14
faenilthe question wasn't "how to reproduce that layout" :)19:15
faenilthe question was "what would you do to put different space between elements of one, same, column"19:15
faenilif you want to add columns, or change the layout in other ways, just do not answer ;) don't take it as an offence bro :)19:16
faenilI don't want to solve a problem, I was just curious19:16
faenilto see what qml and its elements can/can't do19:16
faenilI know that using another column is better :)19:16
faenilis it clear now ? :)19:17
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DocScrutinizerwow, sometimes "dialogs" in this chan get pretty hilarious, esp when /ignore kicks in turning a dialog into a monologue19:18
faenilnoted this is the case :)19:18
faenilpretty easy to argue with djszapi :D19:19
faenilok, it seems qml can't do that and that's it :)19:22
djszapiI told you ?19:24
faenilwhat are you referring to?19:24
djszapiSpeedEvil: oh yeah, the guy wrote that he can generate an installer target (one liner) in the next release upcoming. :)19:27
infobotdjszapi meant: SpeedEvil: oh yeah, the guy wrote that he can generate an install target (one liner) in the next release upcoming. :)19:27
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djszapimerlin1991: ping19:30
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ZogG_laptoptgalal_: i'm already trolling with you changing letters =)19:34
djszapiah! So qmlapplicationviewer.h is generated by qtcreator.19:35
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djszapiI am unsure if that class is useful for desktop. I wonder why that is generated for desktop.19:37
pagreat, app finished..19:40
panow the problem is to pack it19:40
ZogG_laptoppa: what app?19:40
pasupport for multiple gmail accounts for fetching the contacts19:40
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pai support even contact groups :)19:41
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ZogG_laptoppa: separete or integrated?19:44
ZogG_laptopfetch to system or oin app contacts?19:44
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pano, only google contacts groups19:47
pathey are not mapped to harmattan contacts groups19:48
pawhich i find a little unpractical :)19:48
pai guess i should also add an gui, to get to the store19:48
paa gui, sorry19:49
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djszapipa: you do not need to.19:49
djszapipa: even a simple plugin can get into without any UI.19:49
paah cool19:49
pabut i have a command line tool19:50
pawhich probably requires dev enabled19:50
paotherwise no terminal19:50
ZogG_laptoppa: irssi chat is there19:50
ZogG_laptopin OVI19:50
pacool :)19:51
djszapiyou do not even need a command line :)19:52
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pathen i guess i just need to pack it properly19:52
panot with pyside assistant19:52
paneed to find out how, with scratchbox19:53
djszapiI can help, if you have issues19:54
pawell, i just never did it before19:54
pai will look into it, but thanks19:55
paif i have issues i'll come back here :)19:55
djszapigood luck19:55
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ZogG_laptopnew flexible screens were presented today20:12
ZogG_laptopcutting them with scisors do not harm the work20:13
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ZogG_laptopthere are few more videos of how it's flexibale20:37
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SpeedEvilI note that he's cutting it directly up the middle21:02
Arieno one's here21:02
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SpeedEvilIf you do that with a (glass) dual-sided panel - you get the same result21:02
SpeedEvil(clearly, you can't use scissors21:02
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djszapibeford: ping21:14
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Arietgalal_: wazzap21:51
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djszapibeford: super ping :)22:00
Arietry bedf0rd: ping22:01
djszapiwhy would I ?22:02
Ariewhats up22:02
djszapiI need Mac help22:03
djszapipretty hard to debug the issue without a Mac machine :)22:03
djszapiI could tell what to do, what to inject, etc, but I do not have Mac :(22:03
Ariedjszapi: I don't own a mac22:05
djszapianyway, I pretty much figured out the issue22:08
djszapiand I need to ask for help on the qt development mailing list22:08
djszapisince it runs over my skills.22:08
rzr-got-n9-yeahu can install osx in vmware22:11
djszapino warez thanks.22:13
rzr-got-n9-yeahu can buy it :)22:14
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achilless999i'm having problems in using QT SDK on windows! can anyone help on this?22:16
achilless999i'm new to QT & harmattan22:17
achilless999i created helloworld project & set run target to run on my n9 device..22:17
achilless999but it doesn't launch the helloworld project22:17
achilless999can someone please help?22:17
jonniand your connectivity tests work then you pair your device? and have deployed ssh keys?22:19
achilless999yes, I have deploye ssh keys and connectivity test is good22:19
jonniand what kind of error message it shows in there screen?22:20
achilless999let me re-build & I will paste the error. in 2 mins!22:21
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jonniusually the compile output shows whats wrong22:21
achilless999just to make sure..I have to connect the device in sdk mode only , is that right?22:23
jonniyes sdk mode if your  developing over usbnet, although it also works over wifi if your desktop and device is on same wlan22:24
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achilless999this is the build log
achilless999there were many errors :(22:25
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jonniachilless999: that log says that it istalled the deb succesfully22:27
achilless999but the application ouput says this "Killing remote process(es)... Starting remote process ... Remote process started. sh:  /opt/helloworld/bin/helloworld: not found Finished running remote process. Exit code was 127"22:27
jonnibut yes it installs the deb, but most likely its empty debian package since debian generating phase shows errors22:29
achilless999also if you search the build log for string "Error" you will see few errors. I couldn't figure out what they mean22:29
jonni/bin/sh: line 0: test: /c/Users/saddanki/Documents/Synergy/Qt: binary operator expected, most likely your Qt environment is broken22:30
jonniie reinstall the SDK22:30
jonnimight be because you have space in path name22:30
jonniwhich is a no-no22:31
jonniyou are not allowed to have spaces22:31
jonniso rename "Qt Projects" to Qt_Projects" and it will help you22:31
achilless999ok. let me try that..thanks @jonni22:31
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MohammadAGalterego, ping22:35
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achilless999spaces in directory is the issue..worked now22:42
achilless999though it worked..i see some other to know what does that mean22:43
achilless999"Installation to sysroot failed, continuing anyway"22:43
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achilless999I see this error during build.. "Installation to sysroot failed, continuing anyway"!  what does this mean?22:51
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MohammadAGanyone good with Qt models?22:52
MohammadAGit's the SDK sysroot22:53
MohammadAGif you don't need the app installed in the SDK, ignore it22:53
achilless999so, it does nothing to do with simulation on device. thanks!22:54
MohammadAGnope, you're welcome :)22:54
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achilless999also, does simulating on device, changes any packages on device?22:56
djszapijonni: are you familiar with qmake ?23:01
djszapiMohammadAG: I am not good with Qt models, but shoot ;)23:01
MohammadAGI asked on the oh so helpful #qt, but here goes23:06
MohammadAGI have a model with an ImageLoader class instance in it, ImageLoader is a simplified class that loads images from a URL using QNetworkAccessManager::get23:06
MohammadAGImageLoader fetches the image, then emits imageLoaded(), the model receives this and should emit dataChanged then23:06
MohammadAGit does receive the signal, and the correct index is detected, but dataChanged() doesn't seem to be updating the item correctly23:06
MohammadAGemit dataChanged(index(0, dataChangedForIndex, QModelIndex()), index(0, dataChangedForIndex, QModelIndex())); <-- this is how I'm emitting the signal23:06
djszapibeford: ping :)23:06
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MohammadAGdjszapi, so? :P23:19
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djszapiwhy would you emit the signal ?23:24
djszapiwouldn't you like to instead set the data ?23:24
djszapiyou have an own QAIM subclass ?23:24
djszapiemit dataChanged( index, index );23:25
djszapiI personally emit this way.23:26
djszapiinside the setData method23:26
MohammadAGand how do you get the index?23:26
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djszapisetData has that as a parameter23:26
MohammadAGI don't think I can do it that way23:28
djszapior even insertRows23:29
djszapithose methods all have the index as a parameter23:29
MohammadAGcan you take a look at the model?23:29
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djszapiappendObject ?23:30
djszapithat is weird.23:30
MohammadAGit's a custom method23:31
djszapiinsertRows does have index method23:31
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MohammadAGthe data isn't available when I do insertRows23:31
MohammadAGthis images are fetched from a URL23:31
djszapiinsert a row when there are available.23:31
MohammadAGnot the best UX23:32
djszapiin any case, you can get the index23:32
djszapino matter when23:32
djszapiI have not personally used anything else with dataChanged signal than insertRows or setData.23:33
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djszapicheck your index if valid.23:35
MohammadAGdidn't expect that, sorry :p23:37
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MohammadAGseems to always return true23:40
MohammadAGor not23:41
MohammadAGhad columns and rows swapped23:44
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