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| Jarus | Short break info, my home bandwith (the init seed is there) with 350KB/s is full, there is no more speed. ;( Calculated time for 100% is 26 Hours, 32 Minutes and 50 Seconds. We have some great servers with great bandwith so in 26 Hours there should be on more than 1 Server 100% availability. | 03:15 |
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| ctheune | Jarus: well | 07:46 |
| ctheune | hooray for the magic of bittorrent | 07:46 |
| ctheune | there are 2 seeders by now | 07:46 |
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| Jarus | ctheune: I don't know the secound seed? I think this is a client which should only download some files and is now complete but that don't mean he has 100% of the 40GB. | 13:33 |
| Jarus | The client send the "complete" string to the tracker and the tracker is now thinking he is a 100% seed. | 13:34 |
| Lunkwill | can only see one seed from my end, ETA suddenly dropped from 55 minutes to 15 hours | 13:36 |
| Lunkwill | I have ~100Mbit/s for seeding when done, though. | 13:37 |
| d0ugal | Nice. My up speed is so slow :( | 13:43 |
| ctheune | d0ugal: i'm running with a very slow download rate now and 1.5mbytes upload | 13:46 |
| ctheune | i've got about 50% and unfortunately we can't resize the disk large enough until thursday | 13:47 |
| Lunkwill | d0ugal: well, we have uplinks somewhere in the vicinity of 40Gbit/s, upgrading to 100Gbit/s in August :) | 13:47 |
| d0ugal | Nice, I'm just on my home connection and I max out at 40kb/sec up :/ | 13:48 |
| ctheune | Lunkwill: heh, nice one. | 13:48 |
| d0ugal | Almost pointless trying to share | 13:48 |
| ctheune | Lunkwill: nice. we're still at 6gbit AFAIK and the local net i use is limited to 50mbit for now | 13:48 |
| ctheune | d0ugal: it's not | 13:49 |
| Lunkwill | that's the power of running a research network :) my computer is on a 100Mbit ethernet link, though :P | 13:49 |
| ctheune | as it's all about distributing i'd rather have many small ones | 13:49 |
| ctheune | Lunkwill: yeah. datacenter capacity never should be handed unmanaged to individual consumers or consumer clusters :) | 13:49 |
| ctheune | Lunkwill: which network are you on? | 13:49 |
| Lunkwill | ctheune: I work for UNINETT (the Norwegian National Research and Education Network) | 13:50 |
| ctheune | ic. neat. | 13:50 |
| ctheune | i wonder how they peer. i guess all your neighbours: iceland, sweden, maybe finland and denmark? | 13:51 |
| Lunkwill | of course, if I can label my torrent a research project, I can acquire a dedicated 10Gbit/s link ;) | 13:51 |
| ctheune | hehe | 13:51 |
| ctheune | well, you could make the research project for finding out whether you can get a 10gibt link for this *g | 13:52 |
| Lunkwill | ;) | 13:52 |
| Jerub | i could set up a torrent here. | 13:53 |
| Jerub | tempting to do it... | 13:53 |
| ctheune | Jerub: go, go, go! | 13:53 |
| Lunkwill | ctheune: we peer with NORDUnet, so yes. then there's TERENA for Europe, and local IX'es in Norway's three or four largest cities | 13:53 |
| Jerub | where is it? | 13:54 |
| Lunkwill | guessing that a lot of people are content with the youtube streams, though.. | 13:55 |
| Jerub | got it | 13:55 |
| ctheune | Lunkwill: definitive maybe | 13:56 |
| ctheune | nevertheless, there are quite a few clients already | 13:56 |
| Jerub | okay, actually running now | 14:00 |
| Jerub | without running me out of disk space on a drive i didn't realise was quite small | 14:00 |
| Jerub | once i get some more blocks i should be able to upload much more than i can download. | 14:00 |
| Jarus | Jerub / ctheune: more bandwith is more good but the ETA is the same because my upload bandwith is not increasing for the remain blocks ;) | 14:08 |
| ctheune | right | 14:08 |
| ctheune | however, the more people have other stuff the less you will serve things that are already out there | 14:09 |
| ctheune | so in theory your bandwith will converge on dedicatedly streaming the missing pieces | 14:09 |
| Jarus | ctheune: in the theory ;) | 14:10 |
| Jarus | ctheune: this is at the moment the peers view of my client at home - http://cl.ly/1E3p3E171o3Y0U0n0w10 | 14:11 |
| Lunkwill | i'm at 47.3% and d/l is slowly crawling to a halt. uploading at 5-6Mbytes/s though :) | 14:14 |
| Jarus | ;) jep my real server is doing the same | 14:15 |
| Jarus | I tried last night that my home server is only seeding to my real server and this one will upload the blocks to the rest of the world but it doesn't work well | 14:16 |
| ctheune | Jarus: here's an interesting idea | 14:16 |
| ctheune | Jarus: could you tell your client to ignore uploading to anyone else than Lunkwill and me? | 14:16 |
| ctheune | i wonder whether that would help | 14:16 |
| Jarus | ctheune: nope I tested this idear and it's not possible | 14:16 |
| ctheune | dang | 14:16 |
| ctheune | well, let's do it it's thing then | 14:17 |
| Jarus | the best thing would be to set a webseed and add this webseed source only to big rz servers | 14:18 |
| Jarus | but I doesn't found a webseed software | 14:18 |
| Jarus | the main problem is that the small clients with under the 47% are also using my bandwith and maybe doesn't have also a good upload bandwith | 14:19 |
| ctheune | exactly | 14:19 |
| ctheune | what's a web seed? | 14:19 |
| Jarus | a http server which can handels the files on bittorrent block level | 14:20 |
| Jarus | so you can send file/get?block=3342 | 14:20 |
| Jarus | and then you get only this block | 14:20 |
| Jarus | ctheune: and google germany is full with law things when you search for "webseed" -.- | 14:21 |
| Jerub | okay, this will probably saturate the downlinks of most peers who aren't on 47% now | 14:31 |
| d0ugal | My ratio; 0.0.12 :D | 14:33 |
| d0ugal | oops | 14:33 |
| d0ugal | 0.012 | 14:33 |
| ctheune | Jarus: duckduckgo! | 14:35 |
| Jarus | ctheune ;) | 14:35 |
| Jarus | solution founded! | 14:36 |
| Jarus | iptables ftw! | 14:36 |
| Jarus | Now I can block peers ;) | 14:36 |
| ctheune | Jarus: heh | 14:36 |
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| Jerub | is there a http place to download these videos from so i can get them from a non-torrent source faster? | 14:38 |
| Jarus | Jerub: not by me ;) | 14:39 |
| Jarus | shit now I drop every input packages like SSH -.- | 14:39 |
| Lunkwill | tried relaunching my torrent client with super-seeding enabled.. will see what happens when it finished checking existing data | 15:14 |
| Jerub | that may help. | 15:20 |
| Jerub | it would be faster if you made me your only peer though ;) | 15:21 |
| Jarus | Lunkwill: this will not help ;) | 15:21 |
| Jarus | Lunkwill: super-seeding / init-seeding means that you make shurt that you uploaded first every block onetime befor you upload the same block again | 15:22 |
| Jerub | wait. who of you is the 100% seed? | 15:22 |
| Jerub | ah jarus | 15:22 |
| * Jarus wave ;) | 15:22 | |
| Jerub | Lunkwill: it won't help if you do it. Jarus has to super-seed | 15:23 |
| Jarus | hehe ;) | 15:23 |
| Jarus | transmission doesn't support it -.- | 15:23 |
| Jarus | in my version | 15:23 |
| Jarus | the next problem would be if I upload block 5 to client A everything is fine but the client A is leaving now I will upload block 5 first at the end of the torrent | 15:24 |
| Lunkwill | Jarus: may have misunderstood what it's about then. I'm using bittornado/curses - but I can't find an option to limit which peers to talk to | 15:25 |
| Jerub | Lunkwill: it doesn't matter for you. | 15:25 |
| Jerub | Lunkwill: the only person for whom it matters is the seed | 15:25 |
| Jerub | everyone else has a massive network effect where any block the original seed has uploaded will be propagated in seconds. | 15:25 |
| Jerub | (for those of us on high bandwidth connections) | 15:25 |
| Jarus | jep this is the big great thing on bittorrent ;) | 15:25 |
| Jarus | I also use iptables to block peers ;) | 15:26 |
| Lunkwill | Jarus: can't seem to list individual peers with this client, though. I could block stuff with iptables, but that would have to wait until tonight, I should be working right now ;) | 15:27 |
| Jarus | Lunkwill: by you it's not importent | 15:28 |
| Jarus | Lunkwill: the main problem is to get the bits out of my home into a datacenter | 15:28 |
| Lunkwill | Jarus: so, RFC 1149 then ;) | 15:29 |
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| majackson | anyone know how well the wind sims sold at europython work elsewhere in europe? | 16:26 |
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| Jarus | Yes! I got it. Now I'm seeding only to my server in the datacenter which is uploading to other servers and clients. | 18:28 |
| Jerub | weirdly my ratio is still at only .78 | 18:30 |
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| Jarus | Jerub: Download and Upload Size? | 18:33 |
| Jerub | um, 51% complete :) | 18:35 |
| Jarus | Yep ;) | 18:42 |
| Jarus | Jerub: http://img.ly/kC7M | 18:42 |
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| Jerub | that's weird, it's saying 3.1 MB/s in one display, a constant 315kb/sec in another. | 18:43 |
| Jarus | the 315 KB/s is my router at home | 18:44 |
| Jerub | oh right | 18:44 |
| Jarus | the 3.1 MB/s is the server in the datacenter ;) | 18:44 |
| Jerub | it might've been good to have much larger blocks. | 18:45 |
| Jerub | 16mb or something. | 18:45 |
| Jerub | but eh | 18:45 |
| Jarus | and now the dc server is uploading with 7 MB/s ;) | 18:45 |
| Jarus | I think 2MB are a good choise because now also small clients can good seeding | 18:46 |
| Jerub | 2mb is too small to get good throughput from high bandwidth seeds ;) | 18:48 |
| Jerub | a single block is 2-4seconds | 18:48 |
| Jarus | year this is also right | 18:48 |
| Jerub | it messes with tcp queuing | 18:48 |
| Jarus | jep maybe we should choise the next time 8MB this should also working for small clients | 18:49 |
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