IRC log of #europython for Tuesday, 2010-05-11

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mattiHi ambv12:52
ambvmatti: hello matti12:53
ambvthere's this Europython org meeting tonight here on #europython12:53
ambvif you're interested12:53
mattiThat depends on the amount of workload I am about to face/have.12:55
mattiI probably won't be attending EPC this year.12:55
mattiMeh.12:55
ambvmatti: sorry but you have to.13:02
ambvwe have to meet and seriously pick up the ideas we had last year.13:02
mattiIdeas?13:03
mattiI had none.13:03
mattiYou are probably confusing me with somebody else -- like _dboddie ;]13:04
ambvmatti: nope, nope.13:04
mattiambv: You sure?13:36
ambvmatti: yup, we've talked about the news aggregator, about systems monitoring and stuff13:52
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mattiambv: I am not that smart.15:00
matti;]15:00
ambvwhatever, you have to be at EPC.15:08
ambvmatti: don't even think about skipping that one :P15:08
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mattiambv: Amm...16:13
zethHi all16:51
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pinnerHello Sharoon!20:04
sharoonhello pinner!20:05
sharoonpinner: i had put in a submission!20:05
pinnersharoon: I saw it, good!20:05
sharoonpinner: :)20:06
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pinnerhello jonathan!20:08
tartleyevenin'20:08
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moreatievening all20:08
pinnerlooks like the UK may have a new Govt20:08
pinnerhello Alex.20:09
tartleyreally, sorted already? I figured it would drag on forever. I haven't seen a thing today.20:09
moreatioh, I stopped watching an hour ago. No one knew wtf was happening.20:09
pinnerapparently GB is packing his bags at No 10, if you believe the BBC20:10
sharoonmoreati: 16 mins ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8674103.stm20:10
pinnerOK, let see eho's here...20:10
pinner#startmeeting20:10
pinnerPRESENT20:10
moreatiPRESENT20:10
sharoonPRESENT20:10
tartleyPRESENT20:11
pinnerzeth is starting his laptop..20:11
pinnerTOPIC Apologies20:11
pinnerI have none, except for the usual one from HippySurfer20:12
zethHi20:12
pinnerany others?20:12
zethPRESENT20:12
moreatifuzzyman is in transit I think20:12
pinnerHi zeth20:12
zethhi john!20:12
pinnerTOPIC Talks20:13
moreatiI went through the system on Sunday.20:13
pinnermoreati: you know best here, I think, thanks to your sad wekend looking at Talk Submissions ;-)20:13
moreatiAccepted nearly all the talks and allocated them 45 minutes20:14
moreatiI left tutorials alone20:14
moreatibare with me one sec20:14
pinnerOK, so how many do we have? I thought over 12020:14
pinnermoreati: so are you unclothed?20:15
* zeth hits the high hat20:15
moreatino, I was firing up the list20:15
sharoonpinner: lol20:15
moreatiright, we have a 103 submitted talks20:15
moreati13 tutorials20:16
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moreatiAlso Matt Hamilton replied to me yesterday ask if he could still submit a talk. I see no reason not, I wanted to check with y'all first20:16
Joe202PRESENT20:17
Joe202Hi all20:17
pinnerhello Joe, we're on Talks20:17
Joe202Thanks20:17
pinnerWe can take a limited number of more talks20:17
zethcool, I might submit one :-)20:18
moreatiThe 2 who have submitted the most talks are Raymond H and Wesley Chunn20:18
tartleyI see a lot of talks that don't yet have a populated 'length' attribute. What's their status?20:18
moreatiIs there any reason not to accept all their talks?20:18
sharoonmoreati: [I had submitted one... hope you had some time to look through it]20:18
pinnerWe are still waiting for submissions from Michele Simianato and Chris Tismer20:18
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moreatisharoon, Forgive me, what's your 3D name?20:19
sharoonmoreati: Sharoon Thomas20:19
[fpliger]hi all..20:19
pinnermoreati: Maybe we should have a first cut at scheduling before accepting them en masse, in case there'e not room20:19
moreatisharoon, your tryton talk is accepted20:19
sharoonmoreati: thanks :)20:19
moreatipinner, sounds god20:19
zethIf there is room I think we can take them RH was really good the other year20:20
pinnerhello fabio! I hope you had a good PyCon 4 !!!20:20
moreatitartley, If there are any _talks_ that are accepted and unallocated then I missed them, one sec20:20
pinnerthe overall quality looks good20:20
moreatiAh there are two20:21
[fpliger]pinner: yeap, thanks!20:21
pinnersharoon: will there be a war if we put you in the same session as Fabien on OpenERP?20:21
moreatipinner, I was impressed all the way through20:21
tartley@moreati Oops, I see - I'm looking at tutorials then, my bad.20:21
tartley@moreati, almost all, at least. ok.20:21
[fpliger]pinner: lot of work as usual but quite a goooood pycon 4 :)20:22
sharoonpinner: if the community doesn't i wont ;)20:22
pinnerzeth: we have to accept RH's talks , as we invited him!20:22
moreatiAh there was one talk I accepted, but intentionally didn't allocate20:22
moreatihttp://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/124/20:22
pinnerBTW RH submitted his expenses from PyCon 2007 last week (or was it 2008? Somewhat late!20:23
moreatiThey've asked for 60 minutes. Our standardised time slot is 45 mins, but they've got a very packed abstract. Should we ask them to split into two talks, or cu some material and squeeze into one?20:23
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tartley@pinner, as you no doubt know better than anyone, the problem with 'early passes' on scheduling is that changes to the talks (eg. adding more or changing duration) can have big knock-on effects that require a lot of scheduling rework. Why are you keen to do a scheduling run?20:23
zethI think best to split into two talks, and put them on seperate days20:23
tartley@pinner just to hurry things along? (which is fair)20:24
pinnerhello Mary!20:24
moreatiThe speaker is Antonio Cuni, PyPy 1.220:24
zethlet the first part digest in your head20:24
contraryhello all20:24
pinneranyone go to his talks before? does he take all the time?20:24
moreatipinner, pass20:24
zethMaybe do one part as intro to PyPy, and second part what is new in PyPy20:24
zethor just give him 4520:25
moreatiI'll ask him is probably the best approach, see what he prefers20:25
pinnertartley: I'm keen to get a schdule out early as a lack of one puts people off registering, especially for the tutorials20:25
moreatiOkay, unless there are questions, that's my report on talks concluded20:26
tartley@pinner, ah i see20:26
Joe202Is it possible to scedule (most of) the tutorials as they would anyway be less work to redo if needed?20:26
pinnerwho got Brett Cannon to come? was it fuzzy?20:26
[fpliger]Cuni did a PyPy 1.2 talk with Armin Rigo at Pycon IT 4 and they took a 60 minutes talk20:27
tartley@ so it isn't crucial if it gets moved around afterwards, so long as we freeze it long before the conference. I geddit, thanks.20:27
moreatitartley, precisely20:27
pinnerthanks fabio, let's give him 60 minutes, no more20:27
pinnertartley: yeah20:27
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contrarypboddie: any relation to dboddie?20:28
pboddiecontrary: Yes. Sorry to be late for the meeting!20:28
pboddiePRESENT20:28
pinnerat the moment, we're paying Brett's expenses from I think Vancouver, but he's giving just one talk, in the import statement, cf Raymon's 4 talks...20:29
pboddieAPOLOGIES for _dboddie who is away.20:29
pinnerhello Paul, thanks for you Django work20:29
zethcontrary: pboddie = Boddie(), _dboddie = Boddie()20:29
contraryzeth: could have been one person with two personalities20:30
zethor maybe class Paul(Boddie)20:30
zethcontrary: like me you mean?20:30
zeth:-)20:30
pinnerzeth: I don't think Mary is into OOP yet!20:30
zethpinner: good point!20:30
contrarygoogling OOP20:30
pboddiepinner: My work was making Zeth do the work. :-)20:31
zeththat is good work indeed!20:31
pinnerOK, so we have plenty of talks, and need to schedule them...20:31
moreatipinner, yes20:31
pinnerzeth: even a miracle ;-)20:32
zeth:-)20:32
pinnermoreati: shall we have a crack at it this week, in a 3D meeting?20:32
moreatipinner, okay. One evening, weekend afternoon, or during business hours. I'm at your disposal20:33
moreatiexcept Friday evening20:33
tartleyum er. I recognise you guys are old hands at this, and I'm at the wrong end of the train line, but can I do helpful things on that front?20:33
pinnermoreati: I'll phone, it's difficult as I'm in PEOYH (TM) - payroll end-of-year hell, will look at hat's possible...20:34
moreatitartley, The moving physical paper approach has one draw make.. online collaboration.20:35
pinnertartley: yes, of course, actually you are the second most experience in this group20:35
moreatis/make/back20:35
zethtartley: normally they write out all the talks onto post-it notes and then take a photo and share the photo20:35
zethOr do something electronic20:36
moreatiooh, camera. I'll start an email to Tim20:36
zethso I expect you guys will allow discussion at some point of the process20:36
pinnerACTION pinner, tartley moreati to draw up preliminary timetable20:36
tartleyhooray!20:37
pinnerAlos, I'm concerned about the talks, bios web page builds, but we can deal with that outside this meeting20:37
pinnerTOPIC Sponsorship20:38
pinnerFor status, see Agenda20:38
pinnerIn summary, we're getting quite good progress, but we really need a lot more sponsorship, so if we have contacts, eg Python-centric employers, we should be approaching them20:39
moreatipinner, Looking good. I'll plug those numbers into the budget spreadsheet and upload20:40
pinnerOne attraction for sponsors is that thye can join in the 'Recruitment Event' - Talk No 13020:40
[fpliger]about sponsorship, we are in contact with some of the Pycon IT sponsors trying to get them to sponsor EP too...20:40
[fpliger]about sponsorship, we are in contact with some of the Pycon IT sponsors trying to get them to sponsor EP too...20:40
pinnerso pleas plug it where you can20:40
[fpliger]about sponsorship, we are in contact with some of the Pycon IT sponsors trying to get them to sponsor EP too...20:41
[fpliger]about sponsorship, we are in contact with some of the Pycon IT sponsors trying to get them to sponsor EP too...20:41
[fpliger]about sponsorship, we are in contact with some of the Pycon IT sponsors trying to get them to sponsor EP too...20:41
pinnerOne disappointment: I've approached Canonical via Barry Warsaw, and he's not hopeful.20:41
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pinnerThe same with Microsoft, thye have no budget, may be better by July which is in their new financial year20:41
pboddiepinner: Was there any progress in doing a promotional deal with Arduino-related people?20:42
pinnerI think we suffer by being after PyCon US and they've all spent their budgets by the time they get to us.20:42
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zethMaybe they need to cancel PyCon US for a few years20:43
pinnerpboddie: well Andrew Eliasz is doing a tutorial for free, and bringing hardware20:43
[fpliger]sorry, my irc client crashed..20:43
pinnerbut I don't know any other 'Arduino-related' people20:44
[fpliger]about the sponsorship topic: about sponsorship, we are in contact with some of the Pycon IT sponsors trying to get them to sponsor EP too...20:44
moreati[fpliger], don't worry, we got that bit :)20:44
pinnerfpliger: how did sponsorship for PyCon 4 go? EP sponsorship is a bit slow20:44
pinnerfpliger: Packt offerd a choice of two deals to us last week, one involved sponship for IT, but it was at the end of the week and too late :-(20:45
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pinnerI think we've exhausted this for the time being, good discussions took place between meetings, so I'm happy that this continues, so20:46
pinnerACTION Sponsorship Committee to continue meetings/work before next Planning Meeting - _dboddie, boddie, conch, pinner20:48
pinnerI'm going to arebitrarily change the Agenda and insert an item20:48
pinnerTOPIC Social and Partner Programme20:49
pinnercontrary: where are we?20:49
contraryNothing has moved since Zeth, Jutta, Sheila and I toured the mailbox.  We certainly havent had any contact with any Parnters20:49
contraryhave any of the 197 indicated they are bringing a partner?20:50
pinnerOK, so we need to analyse the registration to see if any geeks admit to having partners ;-)20:50
zethCan we put the partner programme on the same page as the talk programme?20:51
moreaticontrary, are you on the EuroPython mailing list? Would you like to put out an email to it?20:51
pinnercontrary: don't know, I don't think so but will check20:51
contraryI have ended up on loads of list, which one in particular?20:51
contrarysuggestion - pinner or moreati tell me o/s mtg which list to write to20:52
pinnerzeth: don't see why not, except that it doesn't exactly fit into 1 hour slots!20:52
zethbut it could be underneath then20:52
zethif it doesn't fit20:52
zethbut if it is on the same webpage20:52
contrarywe can get around that, it is just a matter of formatting20:52
pinnercontrary: OK, maybe you could join us when we schedule20:52
contrarywill do20:52
pboddieI added the missing day to the schedule, by the way, just to avoid confusion.20:53
zethIf it is on the same webpage, then people who are looking at it with a view to booking, will see it then20:53
pinnerACTION contrary, moreati, pinner to liaise over partner programme etc20:53
pinnerpboddie: I'm not sure why we have schedule page being built anyway, it seems a mistake if we haven't any scheduling done20:54
pinnerHague announced resumption of talks on Twitter !20:54
pinnerrumour is 6 cabinet seats for Lib-Dems20:55
pboddiepinner: I guess the links on the front page have to go somewhere.20:55
pinnerpboddie: I think that last year we didn't have links until there was content.20:56
pinnerOK, let's move on...20:56
pinnerTOPIC Registration20:56
pinnerWe just below 200, 197 in fact20:57
moreatijust shy of an overall majority, badum tish20:57
pinnerwith 38 for tutorials, so this all looks good with>2 months to go20:57
pinner24 registered yesterday20:57
zethmoreati: lets go into a coalation with ruby on rails20:58
pboddiemoreati: Lord Mandelson as a keynote speaker? ;-)20:58
zethhe would be pretty good I expect20:58
zethMaybe Gordon Brown20:58
zethhe has nothing else to do20:58
pinneryesterday was close of Early Bird, of course20:58
pinnerexcept that I did not change it to close off Early Bird.20:59
pboddieSo how does that compare to last year? Any nice text graphs like we used to have? ;-)20:59
pinnerpboddie: yes, but I haven't posted them yet20:59
pboddieAren't we still accepting talks, unofficially? I'm guessing there weren't any vocal stragglers when it came to submission problems because no-one seems to have mentioned it.21:00
moreatipboddie, I few snuck in, I'm about to email another to say they can submit. No complaints/pleas beyond that21:01
pboddieOK. This means that I (or someone else) can perhaps update the front page and maybe write a blog entry about it.21:02
pinnerpboddie: look in your mailbox.21:03
pboddiepinner: Oh yes, the agenda! :-)21:03
pinnerI don't think that we should extend Early Bird this year. We have around 200 registered, and all speaker can get the Speaker Rate still21:04
pinnerpboddie: no, the booking report21:04
pinnerany comments on stopping Early Bird?21:05
zethHi21:05
pboddieVote now! (At least your vote means something in EP meetings!)21:05
zethsorry just got the washing in21:05
pboddiezeth: Well done!21:05
zethI think we should close early bird at some point21:05
moreatiI vote close now, don't extend21:06
contrary+121:06
zethI would say close tomorrow21:06
Joe202I'm happy to close early bird.21:06
Joe202+121:06
zethbut give people a day or two last chance21:06
pinnerzeth: the point is, do we close it now, more or less on schedule, or maybe extend it a week and publicise?21:06
zethextend it a little21:07
pinnerwe ahven't got a vote going yet!21:07
zethmaybe end of working week21:07
tartleyI guess it depends on how many signups are still coming through. If we close it, do we shut of the tap? Or is it already a tiny trickle?21:07
pboddiepinner: Thanks for the stats!21:07
pinnerIt will be a trickle now, until another deadline21:07
zethWhen we do an email saying "last chance" you get some bookings, each of which has some problem or other21:07
pinnerSo we have a proposal, I think21:08
pinnerVOTE Extend Early Bird until this weekend21:08
zethbecause they meant to ask us some question but never got around to it21:08
Joe202+121:08
zeth+121:08
contrary+121:08
moreati+121:08
pinner+121:08
pinnerENDVOTE21:09
zeth[Except never call it extend in public, just say close early bird before weekend]21:09
pinnerDECISION Extend Early Bird until this weekend21:09
zethif we say we 'extended it' then it looks like we are making up as we go along21:09
zethno-one else knows the original plan21:09
zethwe always planned to end it this weekend :-)21:09
pinnerBUt there is no point in this if we don't publicise on all the lists, so21:09
moreatiOne caveat, we shouldn't publish a timetable before we close early bird21:09
pinnerACTION all to publicise EP and Early Bird ending soon on our various lists21:10
pinnerTOPIC Accommodation21:11
pinnerNo progress on VAT - with new VAT filing system coming in, HMRC are not answering the phone21:11
pinnerTOPIC Infrastructure21:12
pinnerconch is not here, but we're planning a venue(s) visit before the next meeting, and will report back then.21:13
pinnerTOPIC Publicity21:13
pinnerfpliger: fabio, was ther any publicity for EP at PyCon 4 ?21:13
pboddieAlex has done a great job with publicity!21:14
sharoonpinner: whom do i contact if i need some branding material?21:14
contraryI posted a msg on ubuntu-women list about the Google bursary.  Might activate some interest21:14
pinnersharoon: look on the wiki, plus I have some printed posters21:14
sharoonpinner: i am looking for the printed poster21:15
pinnerdimbleby just said that GB "didn't quite cut the mustard as PM" understatement of the year, eh21:16
zeth(Looks like Gordon Brown is now resigning)21:16
pinnersharoon: http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity AFAIR21:16
pinnercontrary: thanks!21:17
pboddiepinner: TB was a hard act to follow. ;-)21:17
sharoonpinner: thanks21:18
pinnerTOPIC Publicity21:19
pinnerI think we've just covered that, by default21:20
pinnerTOPIC Keynotes and Invited Speakers21:20
pinnersee Agenda21:20
pinnerLooking good.21:20
pinnerpboddie: was it you who suggested Simon Phipps?21:21
pinnerAn ace suggestion, there, I met him ten days ago and saw him speak, quite inspirational21:21
pinnerI think we should have Simon for the opening keynote21:22
moreatiwould this be SImon Phipps ex Sun programmer, or Game Designer21:22
pinnerBrown and family are leaving Downing Street.21:22
zethBrown should have got the car from ashes to ashes, or knight rider car or something21:22
pinnermoreati: ex-Sun Simon Phipps21:23
moreatiright21:23
pboddiepinner: Yes, it just occurred to me that you're probably connected via UKUUG.21:23
pboddiezeth: The General Lee? Across the bonnet and in through the window!21:23
zethlol21:23
Joe202Sorry have to leave - 3D meeting.21:24
zethA-Team van21:24
pinnerhe's just started a startup would you believe ;-) in Norway, who will be using all thye Sun software he open-sourced while he was at Sun21:24
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zethA-Team van driven by Mr T21:24
contraryzeth: you are getting boring now21:24
pboddiepinner: The identity server stuff? Didn't know he was personally involved in that.21:24
pinnerpboddie: Yes,  but I saw him not at UKUUG, but at Oggcamp in Liverpool, weekend before last21:25
* zeth hides in the corner from serious schoolteacher contrary 21:25
zethHave just emailed PyWM and SBlug21:25
moreatiShall we call a close? Real world events are overcoming IRC events21:25
zethtelling them to book21:25
pinnerpboddie: I think it was more than the stuff he was directly involved with21:25
pinnerOK, keynote look OK, still trying for Stephen Fry though - would be good for the dinner21:26
pinnerand Steve Holden is coming, he should be good for a plenary if we're short.21:26
pinnerTOPIC Next Meeting21:27
pinnerIn two weeks again, I think.21:27
pinnerVOTE Next Meeting Proposed 25th May, 18:00 BST, 19:00 CEST, at freenode #europython21:28
pboddieAs long as the talk situation is working out, but I guess we don't announce a schedule until June.21:28
moreatiNo problem with that, Tues 25th May 17:00 GMT 18:00 BST 19:00 CET ?21:28
moreatipboddie, I'm hoping to announce the schedule before then, but June is our deadline21:29
pinnerCEST, I think21:29
pinner+121:29
contrary+121:29
zethIf we all send a couple of "last chance for early bird" emails21:29
moreatipinner, oh yes CEST21:29
pinnerENDVOTE21:29
contraryonly two of us agreed21:29
moreaticontrary, don't worry. It's not a General Election :)21:30
contrary:-)21:30
pinnerDECISION Next Meeting Tues 25th May 17:00 GMT 18:00 BST 19:00 CEST at freenode #europython21:30
tartleyoooh sorry, I saw that now. Next meet 25th, acknowledged.21:31
pinnerTOPIC Any Other Business21:31
moreatinone from me21:31
pinnerI have none21:31
zethpinner about this argentinian21:31
zethwho wants to speak and have us pay for his flights21:31
pinnerexcpet PUBLICISE PUBLICISE21:31
zethit is a nice idea, but maybe PyConUS would be a better venue?21:31
pinnerzeth: we simply can't afford what he needs - $3000 maybe, and if we could we'd want to spread it around more people I think21:32
zethPeople with twitter please re-tweet: http://twitter.com/zeth0/status/1380262592921:32
zethpinner: yes it is a long way away21:33
zethpinner: I think we should suggest he gives his talk in US next feb21:33
zethor somewhere else more local21:33
pinnerif we get good sponsorship, maybe we can help up to say £80021:33
moreatipinner, zeth how about we propose to him if he can find someone to pay for his flights, then they get made a sponsor of EP?21:33
pinnerI will ask lac if she has any ideas21:34
zethIt is expensive to get to or from latin america, travel won't cost less than 1500 pounds maybe not less than 2000 pounds21:34
pinnermoreati: good batting, thinkman21:34
pinnerzeth: ronnie biggs could afford it ;-)21:34
zethokay21:36
zethso we agree to pay half of the flight up to 800?21:36
moreatiright I'm off, evening all21:36
zethor we agree to pay nothing?21:36
pinnerACTION: pinner  to suggest to matt he finds a sponsor we can then list as an EP sponsor21:36
pinnerzeth: not until we know our finances/sponsorship better21:36
zethokay21:36
pinnerEnough, methinks21:36
zethACTION: zeth bows out and leaves it to pinner21:37
pinner#endmeeting21:37
contrarygoodnight all21:37
zethPeople with twitter please re-tweet: http://twitter.com/zeth0/status/1380262592921:37
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sharoonmoreati: will there be an official confirmation in the acceptance of talks?21:38
zethwell they will be announced at some point21:38
zethbut if you are giving a talk and want to publisise that fact, go ahead21:39
zethpublicise21:39
sharoonthanks21:39
pinneremail from fpliger - he apologises his IRC clinet has misbehaved, and says that 3-5 of the PyCon IT organisers are coming to EP to help21:40
* pinner must leav. Good night, All, thanks for coming!21:41
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tartleyoutta here too. g'night people!21:46
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zethnight all21:46
moreatisharoon, yes after early bird closes21:46
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zethHello MS-21:53
MS-Hiya21:54
zethMS-: how are you?21:54
MS-(The europython meetings are at a terrible time for me)21:54
zethI know me too21:54
MS-I'm pretty good - how are you ?21:54
zethWell we probably have lots of time now the right wing comes in and sacks all the public sector IT21:54
MS-:-/21:54
MS-Yeah - I'm watching that on news 24 at the moment - I'm about 40 minutes behind though21:55
MS-(came home saw that was on and rewound to find out what was going on)21:55
zethBrown went to the queen for about 15 mins21:55
zethdidn't even get tea21:55
moreati"The conservative party isn't in love with Cameron. They don't think his heart beats in quite the same way."21:55
moreatiPresumably that's without the aid of a pace maker21:56
MS-ha!21:56
zethlol21:56
zethI think Brown is probably setting off for scotland21:56
zethget there in time to get clapping crowds21:56
zethanyway don't want to turn it into #politics-uk21:56
MS-Well, they were so proud of him21:56
MS-indeed21:56
zethanyway don't want to turn it into ##politics-uk21:56
moreatizeth is there any meaning to #channel vs ##channel do you know?22:01
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