IRC log of #europython for Tuesday, 2010-04-27

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samastur_hi all19:55
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ghumplong19:56
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ghumis today a meeting?19:58
paul_boddieYes.19:58
moreatievening all19:58
ghumHello paul_boddie , hello moreati19:59
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tartleyhi all. Hooray I've finally made it to an EP IRC meet!20:00
paul_boddieHello, hello!20:00
contraryhellooo20:00
ghumwelcome !20:00
samastur_hi20:01
paul_boddieI guess we're waiting for John to show up.20:03
sharoonhello20:03
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moreatiFantastic, we've had about 16 submissions since Saturday20:04
pinnerHello20:04
paul_boddieLadies and gentlemen, it's your host...20:05
ghumhello pinner20:05
pinnerSorry to be late, got distracted by the event insurance stuff20:05
samastur_hi20:05
paul_boddiepinner: Hope volcanic disruption is covered. ;-)20:05
pinnerwe seem to have a record number of people signed in...20:05
pinnerpaul_boddie: no, not after the event.  If we'd been in mid-conf and it happened, we would be covered.20:06
contraryand they are all very quiet20:06
pinner#startmeeting20:06
paul_boddiePRESENT20:06
pinnerPRESENT20:06
samastur_present20:06
ghumPRESENT20:06
contraryPRESENT20:06
tartleyPRESENT20:07
moreatipresent20:07
pinnerghum: HI20:07
pinnerTOPIC Apologies20:07
pinnerapologies: marko (samastur_)20:07
pinnerany more?20:08
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samastur_yup, actually I'm here :)20:08
ambvPRESENT20:08
pinnerapologies - cancelled for samastur_20:08
pinnerTOPIC Talks20:09
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conchPRESENT20:09
pinnerTher have been many submissions over the past few days - Thnaks everyone for chasing speakers20:09
pinnerWhen I looked we had 52 talks, and we know of at least 7 more to come20:10
pinnerwhihc will be enough to do a reasonable schedule for the 14th20:10
ghumwe do need how many?20:10
ghumokay, answered :)20:11
paul_boddieI'm still thinking about making one. You'll get one from me if I follow through on this.20:11
pinnerpaul_boddie: it's compulsory!20:11
paul_boddieWell, I'm done with my tax return now, so the desk is clear.20:11
ambvpinner: I can get one about a web testing framework we're writing at our company in Python 320:11
pinnerghum: I'm trying to get an Arduino tutorial for you20:11
ambvpinner: it's going to be open sourced within the following weeks as well20:12
ghumwow, make it a normal talk pinner; my plane and hotel are allready booked :)20:12
pinnerambv: let's get it submitted then, Lukas20:12
ambvpinner: OK, so I'll submit mine after this conversation.20:12
pinnerghum: it may be too long for a normal talk20:13
paul_boddiepinner: The return of "Python and Horses"! ;-)20:13
_dboddiePRESENT20:13
_dboddie(with horses and taxmen)20:13
pinner_dboddie: no swearing, please!20:14
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pinnertartley: will you be OK to mastermind some scheduling?20:14
tartleyyep20:14
tartleyI will20:14
tartleyObviously I have thoughts from last year's experience. :-)20:15
pinnertartley: you are now the resident expert.20:15
tartleyexcellent20:15
pinnerlac is not well, and probably can't help20:15
_dboddie:-(20:15
tartleyohno! sorry to hear from that20:16
pinnerIDEA have a video-streamed session to do the Talk Scheduling, say Saturday 8th, use the claasic Post-It notes on a board20:18
pinnerthose not in the physiacl meeting can wathc the video straem and contribute by IRC, or audio conf call20:19
moreatisounds good, provided we can get the resolution good enought to read the post its with20:19
contraryyou can use thick pens and get large post its20:19
pinnermoreati: can you check this with TW?20:19
pinnercontrary: ever the practical one!20:20
pinnerOK, I think we have a20:20
moreatiI'll ask20:20
pinnerDECISION Set up a video-streamed Talk Scheduling meeting, for say Saturday 8th May20:21
contraryand buy some marker pens20:21
tartleysounds good to me.20:21
tartleyLast time, I would have benefitted from getting someone who knows the community involved earlier than I did, so I didn't have so many false starts (schedules that looked good to me, but weren't.)  This sounds like a good way to do that20:22
pinnerACTION moreati, tartley, pinner20:22
* ghum excuses himself for 2010-05-08, on another talk20:22
pinnerAny more on talks?20:22
paul_boddieInvited or normal?20:22
pinnerTOPIC Sponsorship20:22
moreatiGiven the talk numbers we have, are we okay to leave the deadline at Friday?20:23
moreatiI would say yes, I just want to check group opinion20:23
pinnermoreati: Yes, I think so, there will be some laggards, we can choose whether to accept or reject...20:24
_dboddiemoreati: We just need to apply more pressure. :-)20:24
tartleydo people know how 57 compares with the number of talks we had last time?20:24
moreatitartley, one sec, I'll count em again20:24
pinnertartley: we had about 100 talks and other sessions, including Lightnings and keynotes20:25
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pinnerwith about 70 speakers20:25
pinnerTOPIC Sponsorship !!!20:25
moreati80 exlcusing tutorials and plenarys20:25
tartley@pinner @moreati ok thanks20:26
_dboddieWe had a sponsorship meeting on Friday.20:26
moreatis/plenarys/keynotes/20:26
pinnerWe have the brochure done, with PDF at www.brumpy.net/epsponsorship, and a few printed copies if anyone needs them20:26
pinner_dboddie: report please20:26
Joe202Sorry - only here to present apologies, I have an election hustings to attend tonight.20:27
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_dboddieWe discussed co-sponsorship with the Italians.20:27
pinnerJoe202: don't vote for the dark side!20:27
pinnerHello Radomir!20:27
_dboddieThat was a bit confusing for me. What the 20% actually means...20:27
TheSheephello :)20:27
_dboddieI believe pinner has been doing much of the legwork, approaching sponsors.20:28
_dboddiepinner: Do we have an agreement with Packt?20:28
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fuzzymanPRESENT20:29
fuzzymansorry I'm so late20:29
pinner_dboddie: for me too, but we tested it out on Friday am when I viisted Packt publishing (they want to sponsor us) and palla's idea is that we charge them an extra 20% and they get something on the PyCon IT site, just a logo20:29
_dboddieNice.20:30
_dboddiepinner: Any news from Google or MS?20:30
pinnerbut they are trying to hold a book signing event with Sandro Tosi as well20:31
conchfuzzyman: Hi!20:31
pinnerMS have responded: they will not have a budget until June, and they expect it to very tight then20:32
fuzzymanconch: hi20:32
_dboddieGiovanni from Develer asked us to wait before asking Nokia for sponsorship. I'll try to have a chat with him sometime this week.20:33
pinnerGoogle have also responded to my mail, but there seems to be confusion there as to who is dealing with it. expect to hear something more by end-week20:33
pinnerSTOP PRESS! just heard that I've succeeded in getting an exhibition Armstrong Siddeley Python jet engine, aout 1949 vinatge, if we want it20:34
tartleyholy moley!20:35
paul_boddieCan it run Python? ;-)20:35
_dboddieAre we starting an airline?!20:35
moreatipaul_boddie, it can out run one20:35
pinnerThe Packt publishing deal is for £800 plus 60 books for us to do witha s we wish20:35
ghumonly version 1.5.2, paul_boddie20:36
pinnerplus a discount promo code for delegates to order from their online store20:36
ghumsounds cool.20:37
pinnerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Siddeley_Python20:37
_dboddieOK, something to read a bit later on...20:38
pinnerI've circualted the Sponsors Brochure to Google, MS, net-ng, cloudreach and I have yet to speak to Bytemark20:39
pinnerwe can try Resolver, Fry-IT20:40
pinnerAlso I'm in contact with Disney Corp20:41
pinnerTed Leung has just moved from Sun to Disney20:41
pinnerAny other Ideas?20:41
ghumCCP ?20:42
_dboddieI put an idea on the Wiki about sponsorship if there's an Arduino tutorial.20:42
tartleyI'll ask here at Resolver then20:42
pinner_dboddie: ?20:42
pinnertartley: thanks20:42
_dboddieThere might be manufacturers/suppliers in the UK who might want to sponsor it in some way.20:43
moreatighum, Chinese Communist Party?20:43
_dboddieJust a thought.20:43
ghummoreati: CCP games.20:43
ghumthe ones of eve online, island20:43
fuzzymanyep - we should chase CCP20:43
ghumiceland that is20:43
fuzzymanthey want to come and recruit so it could be a valuable conference for them20:43
pinnerghum: another STOP PRESS! Arduino tutorial is Confirmed!20:44
ghumWOW, cool20:44
fuzzymanheh20:44
fuzzymannice20:44
samastur_nice20:46
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pinnerfuzzyman: we intend to have a Recruiting session for sponsors and job-hunters 0- talk no 42 at http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/20:46
fuzzymangood idea20:47
DazWorrallhi folks, sorry for being late20:47
DazWorrallPRESENT20:47
fuzzymanif you send me a copy of the brochure I will forward it to the comsulting boss and suggests he sponsors and sends someone to the recruiting suggestion20:47
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pinnerHI Daz , we're just finishing up Sponsorship20:47
* pinner waves to paul_boddie20:48
moreatihttp://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/41/20:48
pinnerfuzzyman: it;20:48
fuzzyman*sesson20:48
fuzzyman*session20:48
fuzzymandammit20:48
pinner'fuzzyman: it's at the url I just gave www.brumpy.net/epsponsorship, I think20:49
fuzzymanpinner: cool - thanks20:49
pinnerfuzzyman: do you want hard copy ones?20:50
fuzzymanpinner: no thanks - I try to rarely leave the house these days20:51
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fuzzymanemailing my boss (in Germany) now though20:51
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contrarygood bye folks, off to a webinair20:54
_dboddieNext subject?20:54
pinnersharoon: Hello, welcome, please identify yourself (for the minutes)20:54
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pinnerTOPIC Registration20:55
sharoonI am sharoon thomas20:55
sharoonpinner:20:55
pinnerA bit slow, but picking up as talks come in, 136 registered up to this morning, we need to get the first-cut Talks Schedule done, then ahve a big publicity push20:56
pinnersharoon: Can you do an Open ERP presentation, and please stay after the meeting for a quick chat20:57
DazWorrallStuart Bowness (and +1) - a speaker - is going to register tonight - I noticed his revised talk submissions (re: accessibility and mediacore) have been accepted so he's booking flights etc20:57
_dboddieYes, there should be a spike in registrations as the early bird deadline approaches.20:58
pinnerTOPIC Accommodation20:58
fuzzymanI have to go I'm afraid20:58
fuzzymansorry all20:58
fuzzymanbye20:58
* fuzzyman waves sorrowfully20:58
pinnerExpect to meet accountant on Thursday and get the info20:58
fuzzymanmake sure we find plenty for tartley to do20:58
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sharoonpinner: sure20:59
pinnerTOPIC Infrastructure20:59
pinnerconch: ?21:00
tartley@fuzzy Oy21:00
tartley!21:00
conchI've added some notes and an action list (mostly for me) in the wiki21:00
ambvconch: pinner: I've already pointed this out but have a look at this: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/03/04/1315210/Why-PyCon-2010s-Conference-Wi-Fi-Didnt-Melt-Down :-)21:01
conchsee http://wiki.europython.eu/Tech%20Team21:02
ambvah OK21:02
pinnerambv: thanks, we know and have taken note, especially re iPhones and channel 11, also some of this doc is inaccurate; I think conch knows moer about this tahn the PyCon US guys!21:03
ambvthat's great to hear :)21:03
moreati802.11n at 5Gb Nice :)21:03
pinnermoreati: won't work with the OSs you and I use!21:04
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samastur_which is?21:05
moreatipinner, I'm not sure it'll work with the bus speeds we use21:05
moreatianyway, moving on21:05
pinnersamastur_: Ubuntu 8.10 and 10.0421:05
pinnersamastur_: a nw kernel is needed for n I think21:06
samastur_right21:06
conchand drivers!!21:06
samastur_good to know21:06
pinnersub-topic: Website21:07
pinnerI went to do some changes to the EP Home Page, but some one had changed from html to ReST, which had me flummoxed. Why change somethings that's working OK?21:08
* pinner finishes Victor Meldrew moment21:09
pinnersub-topic - Blog21:09
pinnerno one seems to be managing this, nor ist seems does anyone know how to use it.21:10
pinnerdows anyone know who set it up?21:10
samastur_nope...by managing you mean writing for it or what?21:10
moreatisamastur_, writing for it21:11
pinnerdoing anything with it, it's very out of date,21:11
samastur_well...I can help with that, if you can live with my English (better sample at http://markos.gaivo.net/blog)21:11
DazWorrall"Paul maintains the EuroPython conference blog...."21:11
DazWorrallhttp://www.europython.eu/about/team/21:11
pinnerand someon ehas linked the Home Page to it, so on the HP we have reference still to Extra early Bird21:11
samastur_where is it anyhow?21:13
moreatiI have vague recollections about Zeth describing a blog system that used plain text files which got compiled into satic html files21:13
moreatiI'll dig in and figure it out.21:13
pinnerThnaks Daz! So we need to ask Paul how to use it.21:13
_dboddieBasically, someone needs to blog that extra early reg. is closed and early reg. is now open.21:14
pinner_dboddie: yes, but the only person who seems to know how to do that is Paul...21:14
pinnerI'll mail him...21:14
_dboddiepinner: I'll ask him about it.21:14
pinner_dboddie: thanks, I won't mail him then!21:15
pinnerTOPIC Publicity21:15
pinnerI think we need to save major efforts until the first Talks Schedule is done, meantime we need to do what we can when suitable opportunities arise21:16
pinnerfor exampl. consh and i are at Oggcamp this weekend, we'll take Posters with us, maybe so some leaflets as well..21:17
pinnerI thhink we all must just keep plugging away...21:17
DazWorrallI'm starting a new job in a couple of weeks so will have a whole new audience of people to pimp EP to :)21:17
pinnerAlso ask sponsors to publicise EP as well.21:18
sharoonpinner: not sure if its publicity item: the face book link event on wiki says that the vent is cancelled21:18
sharoonhttp://wiki.europython.eu/Blogosphere21:18
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moreatisharoon, oh. That's probably my fault, I created the event, and then cancelled my facebook account for unrelated reasons.21:21
pinnersharoon: I have no login there, so can't see. Maybe someone has defaced it.21:21
sharoonshall i create a new event and link it?21:21
pinnermoreati: maybe we should just remove it.21:22
moreatisharoon, I'll reactivate my account and do something21:22
sharoonok21:22
pinnerthis is what happens when it all gets too complicated21:22
* pinner finishes 2nd Victor meldrew moment21:22
sharooni think for the time being we got to remove it... (its not a 404 by facebook, it says event cancelled)21:22
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samastur_:)21:22
pinnermoreati: it all seems too fragile, with unintended consequences to otherwise rasonable actions21:23
moreati"Please note it may take several hours for your groups, events, notes and other content from applications to be fully restored." I'l check it in the morning21:23
samastur_who knew socializing can be so tiresome :P21:23
sharoonmoreati: i have changed the link to coming soon21:24
pinnerTOPIC Keynotes and Invited Speakers21:25
moreatisharoon, thanks21:25
pinnerThis is going OK - ish21:25
pinnerGvR is confirmed, and he's submitted a talk on AppEngine things21:26
pinnerBrett Cannon has submitted his talk21:26
pinnerRaymod Hettinger has confirmed, but as usual is late submitting is 4 (!) talks21:27
pinnerAleks Krotoski has declined, her reason was invalid which I have pointed out and asked her to reconsider, not holding my breath though.21:28
pinnerAllison Randal can't come21:28
pinnerWe need sponsorship for Hilary Mason's travel before she can be confimed21:29
pinner- I'm hoping Goolge will stump up a Women's Bursary for this...21:30
pinners/Goolge/Google/21:30
pinnerAnd I haven't had  aresponse from Stephen Fry yet21:30
pinnerbut it may not have reached him yet as the route is indirect...21:31
pinnerOh, and we're expecting Steve Holden again, at the PSF's expense21:31
pinnerAny more on Invited Speakers?21:32
pinnerTOPIC Volunteers21:32
pinnerThe team is growing slowly, and I hope we pick up a lot more after PyCon IT has finished.21:33
pinnerAnyone going to PyCon IT ? because if so you need to take posters!21:33
_dboddie^^^ fuzzyman?21:34
samastur_where and when is it?21:34
pinnerTOPIC Next meeting21:34
_dboddiesamastur_: Firenze, end of next week, I think.21:34
samastur_ou, too bad (for me)21:34
sharoonpinner: sorry on late reply, I am in for voluntering (i am in the UK anyway)21:35
pinnerProposed Tuesday 11th May, 18:00 BST, 19:00 CEST, at freenode #europython21:35
DazWorrallsuits me21:35
_dboddiepinner: I'm a bit worried that two weeks is too long.21:35
pinnersharoon: Thanks! Yet another UK-based guy, are we the only true Europeans?21:35
sharoonpinner: ;)21:36
sharooni am not21:36
pinner_dboddie: I'm worried that weekly meetings would be unproductive21:36
tartleyI can do the 11th21:36
TheSheepmist over the channel, continent cut off!21:36
samastur_:)21:36
samastur_well, I'm from ee/cet21:36
_dboddiepinner: Fair enough.21:36
pinnerlast year we started fortnightly, then weekls as the conf neared, I think that was OK21:37
moreatiWe'll be online on the 8th for the timetable session21:37
DazWorrallperhaps weekly meetings will be more sensible closer to the event?21:37
sharoonDazWorrall: +121:37
pinnerDazWorrll: that's the idea...21:37
moreatiI'm happy with the 11th21:38
samastur_me too21:38
moreatiIf anything comes up in the mean time, then we can discuss on the mailing list21:38
tartleyRegarding the timetable session. Do people care if I suggest the 9th instead?21:38
pinner_dboddie: I think the key is to delegate to sub-groups who meet outside the main ep-imporve meetings21:38
_dboddieOK.21:38
tartleyNow I open a calendar, there's an event I'd like to make on the 8th if I can21:38
moreati8th or 9th is fine with me21:39
tartleycool, @pinner, thoughts?@21:39
pinnertartley: not me, but our streaming man may have other things, moreati is contacting him, that may be the deciding factor...21:39
tartleyok, fair enought. I'll flex if need be.21:39
DazWorrallI perhaps missed the chat about the timetable sessions - online or meeting in brum?21:40
moreatipinner i was thinking simple for the streaming, one way video no recording, skype or similar21:40
tartley@Daz There will be a location with post-it notes, which will be streamed onlinbe for observers / heckling21:40
moreatiDazWorrall, observers can heckle over IRC or VOIP21:41
ghumand be silenced :(21:41
ghum:)21:41
DazWorrallokies21:41
pinnermoreati: It's just that Tims tech works well I think, Mez know how to set it up as well, I like the idea of going with what we know works: it was very good for the Bugjam21:42
pinnermoreati: but I bow to your knowledge21:42
ambvpinner: John, will you have a minute after the official meeting here to discuss the music concert idea so I can actually start organizing this?21:43
moreatimoreati, If mez is about then we go with what he's done already, that's simplest. If he isn't for me skyp is known and simplist..21:43
pinnerSo do we have agreement on next meeting?21:43
moreatiyes from me21:44
ambvyes for me as well21:44
DazWorrall+121:44
pinnerDECISION Next Meeting will be Tuesday 11th May, 18:00 BST, 19:00 CEST, at freenode #europython21:44
pinnerTOPIC Any Other Business21:44
pinnerI have to report that I am arranging the Event Insurance, that's all21:45
pinnerNothing else...21:45
moreatinothing from me21:45
ghumis it going well with the Event Insurance, pinner?21:46
ambvokay, so there was this idea about using the conservatoire as we're there as a place to host an actual music concert.21:46
ambvI know some amount of fellow musicians that could make it, myself being an amateur pianist.21:46
tartleyoutta here. Hugs, everyone.21:47
samastur_me too...cya21:47
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ambvit's not related to Python per se but I think it can be a great relaxing moment for the attendees (and the staff :)).21:48
pinnerghum: yes, OK £405 for £35k cancellation, £30k property, and £5m Public Liability, plus £10 extra for Employers liability (which we need for the volunteers).21:48
pinnercan we have a EuroPython Song ?21:48
ambv"Always look on the bright side of life"?21:49
ambvor an original one? ;)21:49
pinnermaybe with a different National Anthem and language for each verse, we could call it the Babel Song instead.21:49
ghumthat sounds great, pinner. I assume 10k employers liability, not 10 ?21:49
pinnerghum: £ 10 for £10,000,000 insurance AFAIR21:50
ghumaaah, great. that is really really good, pinner21:51
pinnerI think we're finished21:51
pinner#endmeeting21:51
pinnersharoon: are you there?21:51
sharoonpinner: yes21:51
ambvwe can make this a fun event but I need some support here because there will be some fiddling with the gear and the musicians themselves. but if you think it's a bad idea, i'll pass.21:52
pinnersharoon: we do business software - payroll, accounts, etc, etc, and want to know more about OpenERP21:52
sharoonpinner: ok21:52
pinnersharoon: can we meet sometime?21:52
sharoonpinner: are u in UK/21:53
sharoon?21:53
ghumambv: I found that musical environment in the conservatorie very inspiring21:53
pinnersahroon: Yes, Brum: are you going to Oggcamp this weekend?21:53
DazWorrallbye folks :)21:53
ghumambv: to use it and to have something with music is an idea I would support21:53
sharoonpinner: no, too occuppied this week21:53
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pinnerghum:, ambv: I can put in contact with a musical person at the Conservatoire..21:54
ambvghum: cool, thanks for the support, I was inspired myself last year.21:54
ambvpinner: please do.21:54
pinnersharoon: Pity, I'm coming up Friday evening, staying in central Liverpool, leaving Sunday pm21:54
sharoonpinner: sorry for the ignorance, are u in UK?21:55
pinnersharoon: maybe you can give me your email and phone?21:55
sharoonsure21:55
pinnersharoon: you can get me on 0121 313 3850 or 07785 362668 mobile, mail funthyme@gmail.com21:56
pinnerTheSheep: not much mist around the island of Poland.21:57
ghumgn8 to everybody21:57
pinnerTheSheep: was it you fixed the EP wiki theme so the edit winow was correct? If so, thanks!21:58
pinnerghum: good night!21:58
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sharoonpinner: thanks, will ping you21:58
pinnersharoon: thanks21:58
* pinner needs to go. Thanks for coming everyone!21:58
ambvpinner: bye.21:59
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mattiGosh.23:50
mattiThese meetings are at very weird time.23:50
matti;]23:50

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