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| pinner | Good evening, all! | 19:54 |
| voidspace | Evening john | 19:54 |
| voidspace | thanks for the twitter reminder | 19:54 |
| voidspace | I had forgotten | 19:54 |
| Joe202 | Good evening. Can't stay for long, though, as I'm offto Cabridge dojo. | 19:55 |
| pinner | voidspace: hello!, it has some uses, then... | 19:55 |
| voidspace | definitely :-) | 19:55 |
| pinner | Hi Joe, let us know what it's like! | 19:55 |
| Joe202 | Will do. | 19:55 |
| pinner | voidspace: good progress on maing the PSF less US-centric, eh? | 19:56 |
| pinner | s/maing/making/ | 19:56 |
| voidspace | I think so | 19:56 |
| voidspace | quite a few non-US members now | 19:56 |
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| voidspace | a good European contingent | 19:56 |
| pinner | voidspace: so we need to make the ep PSF meeting count for somethings, mal is trying | 19:57 |
| voidspace | yep | 19:57 |
| pinner | hello Alex! | 19:57 |
| voidspace | hi moreati | 19:57 |
| moreati | evening all | 19:57 |
| voidspace | pinner: if we make it public I wonder what exactly we will be able to *do* | 19:57 |
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| voidspace | pinner: but that is up to mal :-) | 19:57 |
| samastur | hi all | 19:57 |
| pinner | voidspace: are you suggesting subterfuge? | 19:58 |
| voidspace | ha | 19:58 |
| voidspace | is having a psf meeting for psf members subterfuge? | 19:58 |
| pinner | samustar: Hi, pardon my ignorance, who are you? | 19:58 |
| pinner | voidspace: hardly, but US member may disagree! not that they're insular or anything | 19:59 |
| pinner | Shall we start? | 20:00 |
| samastur | marko samastur...I volunteered a few weeks ago and entered my name on wiki, but haven't done much else | 20:00 |
| voidspace | pinner: uhm... you may have got my response the wrong way round - I'm dubious about making it public, not the other way round... | 20:00 |
| samastur | also had to miss previous meeting | 20:00 |
| pinner | #startmeeting | 20:00 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 20:00 |
| voidspace | PRESENT | 20:00 |
| pinner | samustar: thanks | 20:00 |
| samastur | PRESENT | 20:01 |
| Joe202 | PRESENT | 20:01 |
| pinner | voidspace: OK, so psf members and invitees only? | 20:01 |
| moreati | PRESENT | 20:01 |
| pinner | TOPIC Apologies | 20:01 |
| voidspace | pinner: well, I think we are likely to be able to *achieve* more psf business that way - but it entirely depends on what we are trying to achieve with the meeting | 20:02 |
| pinner | I have apologies from contrary (travelling) and zeth (in Florence without power for his laptop) | 20:02 |
| voidspace | zeth has all the best excuses... | 20:02 |
| pinner | voidspace: sounds like we need a separate discussion | 20:02 |
| voidspace | pinner: agreed - with mal involved | 20:03 |
| voidspace | pinner: possibly on psf-members list | 20:03 |
| pinner | but zeth is supposed to text me with the results of his action points, not received yet | 20:03 |
| pinner | TOPIC Talks/Talks Submissions | 20:04 |
| pinner | Awaiting zeth input on action points | 20:05 |
| pinner | Joe202: how are we fixed for numbers and quality of talks? | 20:05 |
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| pinner | Hello Q! | 20:06 |
| conch | hi all | 20:06 |
| conch | PRESENT | 20:06 |
| pinner | conch : we're on Talks/Submissions | 20:06 |
| Joe202 | Sorry, I haven't looked at it since the last Saturday meeting. | 20:06 |
| conch | pinner: thanks | 20:06 |
| * pinner looking at talks submissions | 20:08 | |
| voidspace | I submitted a talk on Silverlight and got the confimation email - but couldn't see it in the admin interface | 20:08 |
| voidspace | so I was worried about whether it was really there or not | 20:08 |
| voidspace | I will check again... | 20:08 |
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| pinner | we seem to have 21, plus 2 from Brett cannon, plus 4 from Raymond Hettinger, plus 1 Guido session | 20:08 |
| voidspace | hmmm... 21 means no more than last time | 20:09 |
| pinner | ( Guido wants to do a moderated Questions and Answer session ) | 20:09 |
| voidspace | I am concerned whether it is working at all! | 20:09 |
| moreati | We have 28 submissions, no dupes that I can spot. Something may be up with submission -> talk script | 20:09 |
| voidspace | ok | 20:09 |
| moreati | voidspace, if that submission was New *and* Improved then it's in the submissions list | 20:10 |
| pinner | moreati: maybe no one has run it | 20:10 |
| voidspace | moreati: no it isn't | 20:10 |
| voidspace | moreati: that is a unittest talk | 20:10 |
| voidspace | moreati: I submitted another one | 20:10 |
| Joe202 | Sorry, time for me to go. | 20:10 |
| moreati | voidspace, Python in the browser is there also | 20:11 |
| voidspace | moreati: ah, cool | 20:11 |
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| pinner | moreati: shall we look at it together one day? | 20:11 |
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| voidspace | moreati: thanks - I was still looking for my password :-) | 20:11 |
| voidspace | I am less concerned now | 20:11 |
| moreati | voidspace, let me know if you want it reset while i'm in there | 20:11 |
| pinner | OK, so we need to chase more talks | 20:11 |
| voidspace | reset? | 20:11 |
| moreati | voidspace, your password | 20:11 |
| voidspace | moreati: ah, understood | 20:11 |
| pinner | closing date is supposed to be at the end of this month... | 20:12 |
| voidspace | moreati: found it - it was an obscure one created by zeth | 20:12 |
| voidspace | we should publicise that more then | 20:12 |
| voidspace | let people know the deadline is approaching | 20:12 |
| voidspace | can someone do a blog entry? | 20:12 |
| pinner | ACTION All to solicit more talks | 20:13 |
| samastur | ok, I am guessing you mean through our personal blogs? | 20:13 |
| moreati | I'll take that action, and hit the mailing lists tomorrow | 20:13 |
| voidspace | I meant the official blog | 20:13 |
| voidspace | but both | 20:13 |
| moreati | samastur, every little helps | 20:13 |
| pinner | voidspace: are there any recycled PyCON US talks (preferably from Europeans) we should be trying to get? | 20:13 |
| voidspace | hmmm... | 20:14 |
| voidspace | off the top of my head not sure | 20:14 |
| voidspace | I don't go to conferences for the talks :-) | 20:15 |
| _dboddie | PRESENT | 20:15 |
| pinner | voidspace: please will you put you thinking cap on after the meeting and give us a list of people to chase from the US con, maybe put it on the wiki | 20:15 |
| voidspace | I will check with Holger Krekel about his talk - they were good | 20:16 |
| voidspace | and we need a PyPy talk, I can ask on IRC | 20:16 |
| pinner | _dboddie: Hi, we're on Talks, a bit short of them, got 30-ish I think | 20:16 |
| voidspace | has Armin submitted a PyPy talk? | 20:16 |
| pinner | voidspace: with a Python language summit on, there shouldn't be a problem! | 20:16 |
| _dboddie | pinner: I'll have a word with people. | 20:17 |
| pboddie | PRESENT | 20:17 |
| voidspace | hmmm - well, Holger is not so involved with PyPy, fijal is moving to South Africa and Samuele is moving job | 20:17 |
| pinner | hello paul, we're just wrapping up the talks item | 20:17 |
| voidspace | so I'm not sure what the PyPy status is - many of the contributors are now from the US | 20:17 |
| moreati | voidspace, not that I can spot | 20:17 |
| pinner | voidspace: so Samuele is leaving OpenEnd? wher is he going? | 20:18 |
| pboddie | I keep considering submitting one or two, but I'm never sure if I've got the material. | 20:18 |
| voidspace | pinner: Canonical | 20:18 |
| pinner | voidspace: he may regret that | 20:18 |
| voidspace | really | 20:18 |
| voidspace | I know lots of people who work for Canonical and love it... | 20:19 |
| pinner | pboddie: you'be been too modest for too long... | 20:19 |
| pboddie | That's talks about Python and, say, MoinMoin, not the faked up "Python and Horses" talk I put through the submissions system as a test/joke. | 20:19 |
| * pboddie is drinking Lemsip. | 20:20 | |
| voidspace | I have harangued the PyPy people on IRC anyway | 20:20 |
| _dboddie | Python and Lemsip... | 20:20 |
| pinner | pboddie: how about the social aspects of organising a conference as well: after your years of experience it could be revealing! | 20:20 |
| pboddie | I keep thinking it would be cool to get Mark Dufour in to do a talk about Shed Skin. | 20:20 |
| voidspace | that would be great | 20:21 |
| voidspace | ShedSkin is very interesting | 20:21 |
| pboddie | pinner: Python and Cats, if you buy into the whole "herding cats" metaphor. ;-) | 20:21 |
| pinner | OK, the ideas are flowing, let's keep it that way, I think we have | 20:21 |
| pboddie | voidspace: I could send him a mail about it. I'm currently trying to Debianise his software. | 20:22 |
| voidspace | ha - poor man | 20:22 |
| pinner | ACTION voidspace will create a wiki page of ideas for talks/speakers, say from PyCon US | 20:22 |
| voidspace | ha | 20:22 |
| _dboddie | I could ask someone who gave a talk at SCALE if he wants to do a repeat performance at EP. | 20:23 |
| pinner | ACTION everyone will rack their brains and solicit talks | 20:23 |
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| pboddie | http://wiki.europython.eu/IdeasForTalks (hidden on the Wiki's organisers' page) | 20:23 |
| pinner | _dboddie: good idea | 20:23 |
| pinner | pboddie: thanks! | 20:23 |
| voidspace | there we go - wiki page created.... | 20:23 |
| pinner | so, revised action... | 20:23 |
| pinner | ACTION use http://wiki.europython.eu/IdeasForTalks for this exercise. | 20:24 |
| pinner | TOPIC Sponsorship | 20:25 |
| pinner | AQpologies, I was late getting the new text to the designer, but they have it now and the Sponsors Brochure should be available later this week | 20:26 |
| pinner | Tim Couper has got £500 from a well-wisher, witha free hand as to what we do with it | 20:26 |
| conch | There is a meeting set up for this Friday to discuss co-sponsorship with Pycon ITaly | 20:26 |
| pinner | and Bytemark Hosting have told me that they definitely want to sponsor us this year, amount tbd when they see the brochure | 20:27 |
| pinner | conch: Oh good! | 20:27 |
| conch | When we have the brochure we need to decide which of us approach which prospective sponsors | 20:28 |
| _dboddie | Anyone else interested in the co-sponsorship meeting on Friday should send pinner, conch or me a mail and we'll let you know the details. | 20:29 |
| * _dboddie forgot who else was on the sponsorship team... :-/ | 20:30 | |
| pinner | conch: when is your meeting with PyCon IT, ie can we get together and make a list before it - I'm back in Friday am | 20:30 |
| conch | It's on the calling notice for the meeting | 20:30 |
| conch | simone, fpliger, me and you | 20:30 |
| conch | pinner: 1500 CEST | 20:31 |
| conch | 1400 BST | 20:31 |
| pinner | conch: OK, that will be fine, I'll start making a list this evening | 20:31 |
| conch | pinner: good, thanks | 20:31 |
| voidspace | svn st | 20:32 |
| pinner | So that is looking OK, better than I thought a while back, anyway | 20:32 |
| pinner | TOPIC Registration | 20:33 |
| voidspace | ha | 20:33 |
| voidspace | sorry about that | 20:33 |
| pinner | 124 delegates registered, 24 of them booked Tutorials | 20:33 |
| pinner | Not too bad, but Registration has slowed down, and we need to publicise more I think | 20:34 |
| pinner | PyCon IT Quattro will be a good opportunity, who is going? It's not far away | 20:35 |
| pboddie | There are a few events coming up soon. | 20:35 |
| voidspace | I am going to PyCon IT | 20:35 |
| voidspace | for the first time | 20:36 |
| pinner | voidspace: you sound like a volunteer, then ;-) | 20:36 |
| voidspace | ha | 20:36 |
| voidspace | a reminder or two will help | 20:36 |
| voidspace | email me while I am there and remind me to do a lightning talk | 20:36 |
| _dboddie | voidspace: It's in early May, isn't it? Are you giving a full talk as well? | 20:36 |
| voidspace | I'm doing two talks | 20:37 |
| pinner | we need two things: a Publicity talks and an exhortation for volunteers | 20:37 |
| _dboddie | Andrew Dalke and Emily Bache are running a one day conference in Gothenburg in late May. | 20:38 |
| moreati | We can combine the call for papers reminder with a 'look who's already speaking' message | 20:38 |
| voidspace | we should publicise that Guido is coming | 20:38 |
| conch | _dboddie: 7/8/9 May | 20:38 |
| voidspace | it should be on the front page of the website in big letters! | 20:38 |
| pinner | 40 or so people said that they would help when the Italian team were putting in their bid for 2011/12 | 20:38 |
| * _dboddie is considering going to GothPyCon. | 20:39 | |
| voidspace | _dboddie: bit of a Goth are you... | 20:39 |
| _dboddie | voidspace: GothCon was in February... | 20:39 |
| voidspace | Seriously can we note that Guido, Raymond and Brett are speaking on the front page of the website | 20:39 |
| voidspace | and do a blog entry about it | 20:39 |
| voidspace | that should be a big draw | 20:40 |
| pinner | voidspace: you're right, can't believe it's missing, I'll do that.. | 20:41 |
| voidspace | cool | 20:41 |
| voidspace | I thought it might be a secret or something | 20:41 |
| * _dboddie wonders if it's too late to run a EuroPython candidate in the UK general election... | 20:41 | |
| voidspace | but Guido twittered it | 20:41 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner to get GvR etc as speakers on website Home page | 20:42 |
| pinner | voidspace: I'd hoped to keept GvR's attendance quiet, but its' too late for taht now,plus it's a draw.. | 20:43 |
| voidspace | seems like an enormous publicity opportunity | 20:43 |
| pinner | _dboddie: UKIP wouldn't like it, so it must be 'a good idea';-) | 20:44 |
| pinner | TOPIC Accommodation | 20:44 |
| pinner | Response from accountant still awaited | 20:44 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner to chase accountant re Accommodation handling and VAT | 20:45 |
| pinner | Otherwise this action is closed, right moreati? | 20:45 |
| moreati | I believe so, the difference in bookings between the old rate and the new rate was 138. | 20:46 |
| moreati | ie we owed people who booked | 20:46 |
| moreati | John went through those who had overpayed, and refunded any over £10 | 20:47 |
| pinner | that is 138 GBP was the *total* for all delegates affected | 20:47 |
| pinner | and we have made 'appropriate' refunds, ie if the refund exceed the cost of doing it. | 20:48 |
| moreati | Total refunds came to £140, because there were 2 people < £10, who actual would have owed us | 20:48 |
| moreati | So, that matter cna be closed | 20:48 |
| pinner | TOPIC Infrastructure/Tech Team | 20:48 |
| moreati | unless there are any questions | 20:48 |
| pinner | moreati: we had none last meeting, and no one has questioned the new rates. | 20:49 |
| _dboddie | No questions from me. | 20:49 |
| moreati | hoorah, moving on then :) | 20:49 |
| pinner | OK, let's try again (for Nick's bot)... | 20:50 |
| conch | I'm afraid the wiki updates are still outstanding, but not forgotten. | 20:50 |
| pinner | TOPIC Infrastructure/Tech Team | 20:50 |
| conch | I've been spending time pulling cables, but should catch up this week | 20:50 |
| pinner | but I updated the EP list, 68 new members subscribed, giving 550 total membership | 20:51 |
| pinner | already one has unsubscribed | 20:51 |
| pinner | I don't know how these people expect to stay in touch, I can guess that they certainly won't want to help... | 20:51 |
| pinner | No doubt that, as usual, we'll keep being asked the same questions... | 20:52 |
| * pinner sighs | 20:52 | |
| pboddie | Is this the main europython list? There are a lot of lurkers on there. | 20:52 |
| samastur | some people feel they get too much email already | 20:53 |
| pinner | conch: any other progress on TT? Any more volunteers? | 20:53 |
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| conch | pinner: no | 20:53 |
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| pinner | samastur: it's not a great deal from EP, especially if they get a digest, and it saves us a lot of work if they read the list messages! | 20:54 |
| pinner | Hi Lukas! | 20:54 |
| pinner | Hi Christian! | 20:54 |
| * pboddie is swimming around in the ep2010 site directory. | 20:54 | |
| _dboddie | MrTopf: You've arrived during the Infrastructure/Tech Team topic. :-) | 20:54 |
| samastur | I know, but python developers are still also users with all that entails | 20:54 |
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| pinner | conch: the usual apathy, then... let's try the direct approach more | 20:55 |
| ghum | sorry late I am | 20:55 |
| MrTopf | well, just coincidence that I am here as I am in another meeting and IRC was still open | 20:55 |
| MrTopf | but I might peek in | 20:55 |
| pinner | Hello Herr Blutwurst! | 20:55 |
| conch | pinner: we should be able to gain more local support, we haven't pushed much yet... | 20:56 |
| pinner | ACTION conch/pinner to try recruiting volunteers | 20:56 |
| pinner | conch: yes, but it ws supposed to come more from Europe, not Brum (although Brum *is* is Europe, I think (don't tell Nigel Farage ;-) | 20:57 |
| pinner | conch: maybe bring it up in Friday's IRC? | 20:57 |
| conch | pinner: yes will do | 20:59 |
| pinner | TOPIC Publicity | 20:59 |
| pinner | I think we covered this in Registration | 20:59 |
| pinner | Has anyone anything to add? | 20:59 |
| moreati | agreed | 20:59 |
| samastur | nope | 21:00 |
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| pinner | No. which brings us to | 21:00 |
| pinner | TOPIC Keynotes and invited speakers | 21:01 |
| voidspace | any news? | 21:01 |
| _dboddie | Are you still talking to theatrical agents? ;-) | 21:01 |
| pinner | Guid has confirmed and registered, as I said earlier he wants to do a moderated ( by a web tool) Question and Answer sessions | 21:02 |
| pinner | sounds good to me | 21:02 |
| voidspace | cool | 21:02 |
| pboddie | Dave and I wondered if pinner knows Simon Phipps from his UKUUG gig. Could be interesting from a Free Software perspective and maybe could tell us about Sun's sponsorship shenanigans. ;-) | 21:02 |
| pinner | conch: we should talk about this in Tech Team | 21:02 |
| pinner | pboddie: I will try | 21:03 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner to try to get Sun rep, eg Simon Phipps. | 21:03 |
| pboddie | Besides, all these ex-Sun people have plenty of free time these days. ;-) | 21:03 |
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| _dboddie | pinner: Any progress on the other potential keynoters? | 21:04 |
| _dboddie | (or after-dinner speakers?) | 21:04 |
| pinner | Also, I'm expecting to get Hilary Mason and Aleks Krotoski, we need the Google Female Bursary for this | 21:04 |
| pinner | Hilary is OK, provided we can fund the flights | 21:05 |
| pinner | Aleks is away ignoring email for two weeks. | 21:05 |
| moreati | pinner, if Guido's talking about web q&a, he probably has in mind an existing Google question web app but I cant find the link | 21:05 |
| pinner | I now have a good contact method for Stephen Fry, will try this this week. | 21:05 |
| voidspace | google moderator | 21:05 |
| voidspace | pinner: great | 21:05 |
| moreati | voidspace, ah thank you | 21:05 |
| voidspace | moderator is a good tool for panels if we have any | 21:06 |
| ghum | pinner: WHICH hilary mason? | 21:06 |
| pinner | and I've tried Jon 'maddog' Hall with no results, seems he's 'on safari' in South America. | 21:06 |
| voidspace | aa_ and I are going to use it for the testing panel | 21:06 |
| * ghum googelt many actresses | 21:06 | |
| ghum | http://www.hilarymason.com/ this one? | 21:07 |
| pinner | ghum: search for her on youtube, She works for bit.ly | 21:07 |
| voidspace | Spotify use Python a lot | 21:07 |
| voidspace | so does the lhc | 21:07 |
| _dboddie | ghum: Sometimes I think you just use the EP meeting as an excuse to Google for actresses. ;-) | 21:07 |
| voidspace | a talk on the LHC would be *awesome* | 21:07 |
| aa_ | apologies, got to go to asda then pick up the wife from work | 21:07 |
| voidspace | aa_: naughty! | 21:08 |
| pinner | ghum: yes, that one | 21:08 |
| ghum | dboddie: I would not give excuses for googling actresses :) | 21:08 |
| pinner | aa_ goodnight, thanks for coming Ali! | 21:08 |
| pboddie | voidspace: CERN uses Python a lot - it's just my former colleagues there who would rather use duct tape, Perl, Java and Big Enterprise gear. | 21:08 |
| * ghum now adds +python to the femal name googling | 21:08 | |
| voidspace | hah | 21:08 |
| voidspace | Carl Bolz is going over there to see if they can get performance improvements by switching to PyPy | 21:08 |
| voidspace | unfortunately on a date possibly clashing with EuroPython :-( | 21:09 |
| pinner | voidspace: maybe we should be trying to get TB-L as well | 21:09 |
| voidspace | TB-L? | 21:09 |
| pboddie | Tim Berners-Lee. | 21:09 |
| moreati | Sir Tim Berners Lee | 21:09 |
| voidspace | that would also be awesome | 21:09 |
| pinner | voidspace; Tim Berners-Lee | 21:09 |
| samastur | yes, but doesn't he give same speech everywhere? | 21:10 |
| pinner | but we're in danger of having *too many* invted speakers | 21:10 |
| ghum | +1 | 21:10 |
| ghum | right pinner is | 21:10 |
| voidspace | hah - a better problem to have than too few | 21:10 |
| samastur | only if most of them say yes | 21:10 |
| ghum | having 1 keynote a day should be enough | 21:11 |
| voidspace | TB-L and Stephen Fry sounds great | 21:11 |
| voidspace | the others I haven't heard of... | 21:11 |
| _dboddie | You can always run morning and evening keynotes. | 21:11 |
| pinner | samastur: well, I haven't seen it! | 21:11 |
| samastur | ok :) | 21:11 |
| pinner | _dboddie: I guess too mmay is better than too few | 21:11 |
| _dboddie | Let's see how things pan out. | 21:12 |
| samastur | this may sound PC, but would be great if it wasn't all male group | 21:12 |
| pinner | Is William Shatner living in the UK now? he might be interesting... | 21:12 |
| ghum | Mr Shatner? for a talk "how to live after the fame?" | 21:13 |
| pinner | samastur: Hilary Mason, Aleks Krotoski are definitely female | 21:13 |
| moreati | I thought he was dead | 21:13 |
| pinner | moreati: very much alive and well at age 79 | 21:13 |
| ghum | he would be helpfull for an advertisment against tatoos, but what has he to do with Python? | 21:13 |
| pinner | ghum: your ncc module? | 21:14 |
| moreati | ghum, proof that Python is ready for the Enterprise | 21:14 |
| samastur | pinner: I know...I just hope we get it or if not, somebody else | 21:14 |
| ghum | Cool. Wiliam Shatner about "python for the enterprise" | 21:14 |
| samastur | Aleks was great at dConstruct | 21:14 |
| ghum | way cool | 21:14 |
| samastur | get them | 21:14 |
| samastur | damn...kind of obvious that English is not my language | 21:15 |
| pinner | samastur: we'll try | 21:15 |
| ghum | James Doohan could talk about the app engine, if he would not be dead :( | 21:15 |
| pinner | smustar: ? not obvious at all. If you'd said 'have them', that would be a different matter... | 21:16 |
| samastur | :) | 21:16 |
| pinner | Enough frivolity.. | 21:16 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner (and anyone else) to continue trying to get well-known invited speakers | 21:17 |
| pinner | TOPIC Volunteers | 21:17 |
| pinner | As with Publicity, I think we've covered this under other headings, already | 21:17 |
| pinner | Agreed? | 21:17 |
| pinner | No dissension? so.. | 21:18 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next meeting | 21:18 |
| pinner | Two weeks interval agin would bring us to Tuesday 27th April, same time, same place | 21:19 |
| voidspace | ok | 21:19 |
| samastur | ok | 21:19 |
| moreati | ok | 21:19 |
| ghum | ko | 21:19 |
| pinner | ghum: does that mean !ok ? | 21:20 |
| ghum | no, that is the yoda way of saying ok | 21:20 |
| pinner | ahhh.. | 21:20 |
| pinner | DECISION Tuesday 27th April, 18:00 BST, 19:00 CEST, at freenode #europython | 21:21 |
| pinner | TOPIC Any Other Business | 21:21 |
| moreati | no | 21:21 |
| pinner | I have none | 21:21 |
| pboddie | Should there be some main site editing? | 21:21 |
| * ghum compliments pinner for reminding of meeting with CEST added! | 21:21 | |
| pboddie | Like changing the "extra early bird" note. | 21:21 |
| pinner | ghum: a true European, that's me ;-) | 21:22 |
| pinner | pboddie: where? | 21:22 |
| pboddie | On the front page. It's in my editor now. | 21:22 |
| moreati | it's the top news item on the front page | 21:22 |
| pboddie | No, that's just a news item. Above that! | 21:23 |
| matti | Meh. | 21:24 |
| matti | Meeting is always when I am heading back home. | 21:24 |
| pinner | matti: Hi! but you're input is always welcome | 21:25 |
| matti | BTW, I was able to put EPC posters on all the news boards at RIM. | 21:25 |
| matti | Hi pinner! :) Thanks! | 21:25 |
| matti | I am not complaining... just tired. ;] | 21:25 |
| moreati | pinner, How's the Perl going btw? | 21:26 |
| pboddie | I can edit the site, but I'm not sure if I can run the special script. I also suggest changing the menu structure slightly - it's a bit python.org at the moment. | 21:26 |
| pinner | moreatI; Intersting, very.. | 21:26 |
| pinner | matti: great, thanks | 21:26 |
| matti | There is a London DevOps meeting @ Guardian towards the end of the month. I plan to meniton EPC to the people there. | 21:26 |
| pinner | pboddie: I've done that now, but the news but needs seeing to | 21:27 |
| matti | Besides that I was not much of a help due to chronic lack of time :( *cries* | 21:27 |
| pinner | matti: good, also please try to get some talks, Simon Willison is always late with his submissions, but we;re closing earlier this year if we can | 21:28 |
| samastur | isn't simon going around world in summer_ | 21:28 |
| samastur | ? | 21:28 |
| samastur | and getting married | 21:28 |
| pinner | OK, I think... | 21:28 |
| pinner | Thanks for coming every one, | 21:29 |
| pinner | #endmeeting | 21:29 |
| pboddie | pinner: Any objections to splitting the quick-links into Activities (Talks, ...) and Practical Information (Venue, Travel, ...)? | 21:29 |
| matti | pinner: WHat do you mean? | 21:30 |
| pinner | pboddie: I'd rather rjt was involved, he finds it difficult to make tehse meetings, but I have no objection otherwise | 21:31 |
| pboddie | pinner: OK, I'll send him a mail. | 21:31 |
| pinner | matti: I just thougt it was time to close the meeting, nothing to do with simonw getting married | 21:31 |
| matti | I still have troubles understanding. I had 4 hours of sleep behind me, I am quite slow today ;] | 21:32 |
| matti | You want me to chase him? | 21:32 |
| pinner | pboddie: BTW, it was supposed to look 'a bit python.org', for consistency in the Python world | 21:33 |
| matti | Or send him greeting card since he is getting married? | 21:33 |
| matti | ;] | 21:33 |
| pinner | matti: please, at last we should know if it's on his radar if he has more personal things on his mind | 21:33 |
| pboddie | pinner: I was referring to the number of menu items - it gets quite overwhelming, although I'm not likely to help reduce them, exactly. | 21:34 |
| pinner | matti: s/last/least/ | 21:34 |
| pinner | pboddie: I agree with that, they have grown somewhat, but this was Richard's response to feedback from 2009 | 21:35 |
| pboddie | I'll follow up with Richard. | 21:35 |
| pinner | pboddie: thanks | 21:36 |
| matti | pinner: No problem, I will contact Simon! | 21:36 |
| * pinner needs to go and have a beer after a day of learning Perl. Not sure where I go for a good one near Russell Square, though | 21:37 | |
| matti | Perl? | 21:37 |
| matti | Wow. | 21:37 |
| matti | ;] | 21:37 |
| ghum | why do you learn perl, pinner ? | 21:37 |
| pinner | matti: this seems to have caused some comment in Python circles... | 21:38 |
| matti | Heheh. | 21:38 |
| matti | ;] | 21:38 |
| matti | Well ... | 21:38 |
| matti | ;p | 21:38 |
| matti | *wink* | 21:38 |
| matti | lD | 21:38 |
| matti | I hope you are enjoying it ;p | 21:38 |
| pinner | ghum: to find out more, and maintain other peoples code, , and to be able to comment froma basis of knowledge, and to be able to convert Perl code to Python, Ok? | 21:39 |
| ghum | that is a bunch of very valid reasons! I am asking because I once wrote some perl code, and it is not a pleasant memory | 21:40 |
| matti | I can do P, P and R. | 21:40 |
| matti | Most of the time at work we hack things in Ruby tho | 21:40 |
| pinner | mattii, yes it is quite enjoyable at this stage, don;t know about when its gets more advanced thought. Tutor (Dave Cross) is very good. Also Perl people often seem more open-minded that Python people. | 21:40 |
| matti | Like ... puppet... | 21:41 |
| matti | pinner: Indeed. | 21:41 |
| matti | pinner: For some reason Ruby and Python communities tend to be very ... strict if I can say so. | 21:41 |
| matti | Perl just ... does not care ;p | 21:41 |
| matti | And CPAN is magic. | 21:41 |
| matti | ;] | 21:41 |
| pinner | matti: I'm mostly doing in things in Python nowadays, still a fair amount of C, and a moribund 4GL called Sculptor (not much nowadays, but we have some legacy code) | 21:42 |
| matti | :) | 21:43 |
| matti | I envy you for C. | 21:43 |
| ghum | pinner: I would love to interview about perl | 21:43 |
| matti | It was quite some time since I was coding seriously in C. | 21:43 |
| ghum | especially my topic "Things you should unlearn when coming from *" | 21:43 |
| ghum | I have some stuff concerning Java ... but nothing yet coming from perl and php | 21:43 |
| pinner | C is good, but I never saw the point of all that arcane stuff in C++ | 21:44 |
| pboddie | matti: CPAN? Boo! I had a horrible time with CPAN auto-upgrading stuff - easy_install is probably closer to cpan than people realise! | 21:44 |
| pinner | ghum: php == 'Perl for Hopeless Programmers' | 21:44 |
| matti | Hahah | 21:44 |
| matti | ;] | 21:44 |
| ghum | pinner: I wrote an maintained an application in PHP once | 21:44 |
| ghum | but my therapist helped me to erase that memory :( | 21:45 |
| pinner | developes seem to like PHP because it build and expectation in customers that they need support and are happy to pay for it if you fix the problems quickly | 21:46 |
| pinner | s/and/an/ | 21:46 |
| pinner | ghum: ho was your therapist? Guido? | 21:46 |
| pinner | s/ho/who/ | 21:47 |
| matti | pinner: Have the tutor mentioned to you anything about Perl OO and how simplistic it is? | 21:47 |
| ghum | Guido does not do therapies ... he is great with software. | 21:47 |
| pinner | mattI: no, but he's told us about Windows Perl starting with 'vanilla' Perl >> 'strawberry' >> 'chocolate' | 21:49 |
| pinner | matti: are you OK with the Programme Booklet again this year? | 21:49 |
| matti | Why not :} | 21:50 |
| pinner | matti: actually he's said enough about OO for me to see that it is going to be horrendous, I guess I'll find out tomorrow | 21:51 |
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| pinner | mattI; Thanks! (for the booklet), I guess I know how much you put into it last year. | 21:51 |
| * pinner waves goodnight | 21:52 | |
| ghum | gn pinner, enjoy your beer | 21:52 |
| pinner | Thanks, Harald | 21:53 |
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| DazWorrall | holy late batman! | 21:54 |
| DazWorrall | caught up on the logs, just wanted to say that I was the unsubscriber from the EP list, simply because I was already on there with a different email address and didnt want duplicates :) | 21:54 |
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| ghum | oki ;) | 21:55 |
| ghum | and bye for today | 21:55 |
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| matti | One thing. | 22:02 |
| matti | What does John means by the booklet. | 22:02 |
| _dboddie | matti: I don't know. What did you do last year? | 22:04 |
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