| aa_ | oh man, how do I persuade Darren to let me do my glashammer talk! | 00:33 |
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| aa_ | I was planning to be really rude about everyone and everything | 00:33 |
| aa_ | (not really!) | 00:33 |
| matti | lol | 00:37 |
| aa_ | the one slight rudeness is the slide that represents "Code executing templates" | 00:38 |
| aa_ | it's flesh-eating bacteria | 00:38 |
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| Wu | hi people | 19:12 |
| aa_ | hi wu | 19:12 |
| aa_ | is that meeting really gmt? | 19:12 |
| Wu | there is a tweet from 15 minutes ago advicing that the meeting will take place in "one hour" | 19:13 |
| aa_ | oh | 19:13 |
| aa_ | "This is a reminder that we have an ep-imrorve meeting this evening at 1800 GMT." | 19:13 |
| aa_ | I guess that doesn't actually mean GMT? | 19:14 |
| Wu | mmm | 19:14 |
| Wu | probably not | 19:14 |
| aa_ | because we are now BST | 19:14 |
| Wu | GMT+1 probably | 19:14 |
| aa_ | yeah | 19:14 |
| Wu | I'm in spain and we switched from GMT+1 to GMT+2 last saturday | 19:14 |
| Wu | dunno if they do that switch too in .uk | 19:14 |
| aa_ | I am in uk, yeah we switched | 19:14 |
| aa_ | and all I can say is "silly europeans!!!!" :P | 19:15 |
| aa_ | (just kidding) | 19:15 |
| Simone | we are in Italy and we switched to GMT+2 as well :-) | 19:16 |
| aa_ | so it all makes sense | 19:16 |
| aa_ | the meeting is at 19:00 GMT | 19:16 |
| Wu | hehehe | 19:16 |
| aa_ | if only the world was flat | 19:17 |
| _dboddie | The meeting is at 19:00 GMT+1 (BST), surely. | 19:17 |
| aa_ | _dboddie: I think 18:00 BST, no? | 19:17 |
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| _dboddie | Ah, yes. | 19:21 |
| _dboddie | 19:00 for us in GMT+2 | 19:21 |
| Wu | :) | 19:22 |
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| Wu | I would like to know if that time switch is really a good idea | 19:22 |
| aa_ | Wu: I am perhaps thinking the time was not switched, just typoed | 19:23 |
| Wu | mmm, I meant the whole summer/winter time switch | 19:23 |
| aa_ | oh that | 19:23 |
| aa_ | haha, the reason is for making money, you know :) | 19:24 |
| aa_ | people spend more in the daylight | 19:24 |
| Wu | it is supposed to be done because that way we use energy more efficiently | 19:24 |
| Wu | hahaha | 19:24 |
| aa_ | etc etc, but actually it is for the money | 19:24 |
| Wu | that's another good reason too | 19:24 |
| aa_ | wikipedia article explains it all | 19:25 |
| aa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time | 19:25 |
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| Joe202 | Hi, I wo't be able to join the conversation for a bit as I have to fetch my daughter first. | 19:50 |
| _dboddie | pboddie: I might drop out of the meeting part way through. | 19:52 |
| pboddie | _dboddie: RGR | 19:53 |
| * matti hugs _dboddie | 19:54 | |
| * _dboddie hugs matti | 19:55 | |
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| ghum | tnx for reminder | 19:58 |
| pinner | Hello Harald! | 19:58 |
| ghum | hello John! | 19:59 |
| ghum | what is 1800 GMT in CEST ? :) | 19:59 |
| zeth | evening all | 19:59 |
| zeth | ghum: we are no longer on GMT | 19:59 |
| zeth | we are now on BST British Summer Time | 19:59 |
| ghum | tzs | 19:59 |
| zeth | Not sure if that fact helps though | 19:59 |
| ghum | not at all, as john reminded us that the meeting is at 1800 gmt :) | 20:00 |
| pinner | ghum: I dont'know just now (we changed to Summer Time last weekend) I think you change later, then in a couple of weeks we're back to an hour's differenec | 20:00 |
| ghum | we changed too, this weekend | 20:01 |
| * pinner hold his head in shame as he got the time zones wrong :-( | 20:01 | |
| pboddie | You should specify the Olson identifier "Europe/London", pinner. ;-) | 20:01 |
| ghum | it is 1900 in my timezone :) | 20:01 |
| _dboddie | Europe/Pinner | 20:01 |
| _dboddie | :-) | 20:01 |
| pboddie | Pinner is in London, after all. ;-) | 20:01 |
| pinner | enough michael-taking, let's start | 20:02 |
| ghum | PRESENT | 20:02 |
| pinner | '#startmeeting | 20:02 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 20:02 |
| ghum | PRESENT | 20:02 |
| zeth | PRESENT | 20:02 |
| pinner | TOPIC Apologies | 20:02 |
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| _dboddie | PRESENT | 20:03 |
| pinner | I have just one: Richard Taylor (HippySurfer) probably won't make it, may join later. | 20:03 |
| pinner | TOPIC Talks | 20:04 |
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| _dboddie | Good timing... | 20:04 |
| DazWorrall | hey guys :) | 20:04 |
| DazWorrall | PRESENT | 20:04 |
| pinner | good evening Darren! | 20:04 |
| DazWorrall | have we started? | 20:04 |
| pboddie | PRESENT | 20:04 |
| pinner | zeth: any joy with the missing talks submissions? | 20:04 |
| Wu | ups, PRESENT | 20:04 |
| zeth | Are there missing talk submissions? | 20:04 |
| zeth | I am probably behind with my email | 20:05 |
| pinner | zeth: a couple of people have reported that their submssion was not accepted, they got no response and we saw no error messages | 20:05 |
| zeth | weird | 20:05 |
| Simone | PRESENT | 20:06 |
| pinner | zeth: I think you re-entered one by hand, as he sent us a pdf. | 20:06 |
| zeth | Right | 20:06 |
| zeth | yeah | 20:06 |
| palla | PRESENT | 20:06 |
| matti | PRESENT | 20:06 |
| zeth | I think what is happening is that people | 20:06 |
| pinner | zeth: the other is more serious: two talks from Brett cannon, I forwarded his email to you for you to respond to. | 20:06 |
| zeth | are not filling in all required fields | 20:06 |
| zeth | and the error message is not very obvious | 20:07 |
| zeth | apart from that I have no idea | 20:07 |
| zeth | Django is not sending us error messages | 20:07 |
| pinner | OK, I will try to make a submission, and maybe everyone else can as well | 20:07 |
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| pinner | zeth: but you need to respond to Brett. | 20:08 |
| zeth | I will | 20:08 |
| pinner | Hello Mary! | 20:08 |
| DazWorrall | I think zeths theory sounds about right - we found that a few weeks ago it was not obvious when a submission wasn't sucessful because of validation | 20:08 |
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| pinner | so that should be easy to sort, right? | 20:08 |
| fuzzyman | Hello, sorry I'm late | 20:08 |
| fuzzyman | PRESENT | 20:08 |
| pinner | Hello Michael! | 20:08 |
| DazWorrall | hey michael :) | 20:09 |
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| zeth | pinner: I hope so | 20:09 |
| pinner | Heelo Q! | 20:09 |
| fuzzyman | DazWorrall: Hi | 20:09 |
| contrary | PRESENT | 20:09 |
| conch | PRESENT | 20:09 |
| conch | Hi!! | 20:09 |
| contrary | Hello everyohne | 20:09 |
| pinner | mary: sorry, I forgot to put the PP/NPP/SP on the agenda, we'll rectify that... | 20:10 |
| pinner | Current talks Status: | 20:11 |
| pinner | darren and Joe worked on the Talks this last weekend, | 20:11 |
| Simone | Hello fuzzyman, did you book your flight to Italy? | 20:12 |
| pinner | DazWorrall: would you like to report, Darren? | 20:12 |
| fuzzyman | Simone: not yet! | 20:12 |
| DazWorrall | sure | 20:12 |
| fuzzyman | Simone: Your email is sitting in my inbox to remind me to do it though... | 20:12 |
| Simone | ok :) | 20:12 |
| zeth | [Thanks darren and joe, sorry I could not be there (in the flesh) - my life got a bit busy] | 20:12 |
| DazWorrall | we approved 11 outright | 20:13 |
| aa_ | PRESENT | 20:13 |
| DazWorrall | 3 of them we wanted more information on, and I emailed the speakers about that (all have now replied so we can review them) | 20:13 |
| pinner | Hello Ali! | 20:13 |
| aa_ | hi everyone | 20:13 |
| DazWorrall | and the other 7 we left as proofread on the principal that it's easier to accept later than it is to reject/change later | 20:14 |
| DazWorrall | they were mostly on common topics that we might want to see what other talks are submitted before accepting them | 20:14 |
| DazWorrall | and 1 complete duplicate from last year (the openerp introduction) - we weren't sure if we wanted that again | 20:14 |
| DazWorrall | at least not yet | 20:14 |
| DazWorrall | there were a couple of questions: | 20:14 |
| pinner | so that's 21 talks? plus the ones the system has lost | 20:15 |
| DazWorrall | 1) when a talk is accepted, is an email automatically sent (or sent in batch later), or do we need to manually do that? | 20:15 |
| fuzzyman | ones the system has lost? | 20:15 |
| pinner | plus Raymond Hettinger has proposed 4, which he has to submit to the system | 20:15 |
| DazWorrall | 2) are we at the moment just allocating the requested talk lengths (so long as they are not obviously off) | 20:15 |
| pinner | plus the other invited speakers and keynotes | 20:16 |
| zeth | == have not yet made it into the system | 20:16 |
| fuzzyman | aa_ and I have a testing panel idea which we have not put in the system yet (as far as I know) | 20:16 |
| DazWorrall | pinner: 19 talks, 1 tutorial, 1 meeting | 20:16 |
| fuzzyman | actually aa_ is in charge of that :-) | 20:16 |
| aa_ | fuzzyman: am I? | 20:16 |
| fuzzyman | You're the host! | 20:16 |
| DazWorrall | both the tutorial and meeting were approved, so 13 accepted events | 20:16 |
| aa_ | fuzzyman: ok, but I don't know the speakers that well | 20:16 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: it apears that if not all required fields are entered, then the system silently ignores the submission | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | aa_: no problem - I should email you about it so we can get it properly organised | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: ouch! | 20:17 |
| aa_ | fuzzyman: yes please | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | did Brett's talk make it in? | 20:17 |
| zeth | it doesn't silently ignore it, it goes back to the form | 20:17 |
| zeth | as far as I can tell | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | with any warning to the submitter? | 20:17 |
| aa_ | while we are on the topic, that Glashammer talk sounds spiffingly fantastic | 20:17 |
| zeth | so people give up at that point | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | Ha! | 20:17 |
| zeth | it is not obvious to carry on | 20:17 |
| DazWorrall | testing panel has been submitted | 20:17 |
| aa_ | yes, I submitted testing panel | 20:17 |
| DazWorrall | by ali :) | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | ah, cool | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | glad to hear it | 20:18 |
| fuzzyman | told you he was in charge | 20:18 |
| aa_ | fuzzyman: I just haven't heard back from anyone | 20:18 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: Brett had two talks, they did not succeed in passing the submission police | 20:18 |
| DazWorrall | zeth: the fields which fail validation are highlighted, just not obviously - easy to miss when scrolling through | 20:18 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: they were not accepted or they didn't make it into the system? | 20:18 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: the latter | 20:18 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: ah, have we notified him? | 20:19 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: zet is contacting him | 20:19 |
| fuzzyman | cool | 20:19 |
| fuzzyman | I hope we don't have many people out there who *think* they have submitted talks... | 20:19 |
| fuzzyman | that could be a real disaster... | 20:19 |
| pinner | ACTION Zeth to make talk submission reject obvious | 20:19 |
| DazWorrall | a css tweak or a bit of js should sort that quickly :) | 20:20 |
| zeth | cool | 20:20 |
| pinner | zethL is there any amy that we can see if anyone else has fallen foul of this, eg in logs? | 20:20 |
| pinner | s/amy/way/ | 20:20 |
| zeth | it is the same as last year, but obviously the world is more foggy now | 20:20 |
| aa_ | fuzzyman: you mentioned an application/way of collecting questions before the panel? I can get on that independently of the experts | 20:20 |
| pinner | zeth; my brain is certainly more foggy ;-) | 20:20 |
| fuzzyman | aa_: google moderator | 20:21 |
| zeth | pinner: we could probably look in apache logs, but I will make it log via django too | 20:21 |
| zeth | in the apache logs will be people's email address | 20:21 |
| zeth | in the apache logs will be peoples' email address | 20:21 |
| fuzzyman | aa_: if you setup something for us then we can both blog about it to get questioons | 20:21 |
| zeth | in the apache logs will be the email address of people who went to the second page of the form | 20:21 |
| DazWorrall | ah I see - scrape them out, and if they posted and arent in the db, raise a flag | 20:21 |
| zeth | yep | 20:22 |
| aa_ | fuzzyman: ok to go ahead and create that? will need your publicity/PR machine to get it going I think :P | 20:22 |
| fuzzyman | aa_: go for it | 20:22 |
| pinner | we need more talks! | 20:22 |
| zeth | I am writing a brand new one for this year | 20:22 |
| aa_ | *cough* that glashammer talk sounds spiffingly wonderfl | 20:22 |
| pinner | ACTION we *all* need to chase potential speakers | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | do we have any submitted talks from Mark Ramm? | 20:23 |
| pinner | aa_: glashammer as in YAPWF ? | 20:23 |
| DazWorrall | the glahammer one should be accepted now imo :) | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | he says he is pretty definitely coming and he has at least two talks | 20:23 |
| DazWorrall | fuzzyman: yes, 2 | 20:23 |
| pinner | fuzzyman : I believe so | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | DazWorrall: we should be very careful with that talk | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | *great* | 20:23 |
| DazWorrall | both accepted | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | DazWorrall: I hear the speaker is a trouble maker | 20:23 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: you can llok at the Talks, same logon details as last year | 20:24 |
| fuzzyman | ok - I'll have to dig those out | 20:24 |
| zeth | Ignore me if this is repeating (I am in the fog too), did we come to a conclusion on how many talk hours we can accept? | 20:24 |
| pboddie | fuzzyman: It isn't Xah Lee, is it? :-) | 20:24 |
| pinner | TOPIC Sponsorship | 20:24 |
| fuzzyman | pboddie: apparently, under a pseudonym | 20:24 |
| DazWorrall | were my 2 questions answered before we move on? :) | 20:25 |
| pinner | I put notes on (lack of?) progress in the Agenda | 20:25 |
| DazWorrall | DazWorrall> 1) when a talk is accepted, is an email automatically sent (or sent in batch later), or do we need to manually do that? | 20:25 |
| zeth | I think it used to | 20:25 |
| DazWorrall | DazWorrall> 2) are we at the moment just allocating the requested talk lengths (so long as they are not obviously off) | 20:25 |
| zeth | but I was told to delete it | 20:25 |
| zeth | I was told to turn off the automatic emails last year | 20:25 |
| pinner | zeth: I think [p|d]boddie worked out the possible talk hours | 20:25 |
| fuzzyman | I think we effectively have 1 hour slots for all talks this year | 20:26 |
| zeth | 1 hour = 45 mins | 20:26 |
| fuzzyman | right | 20:26 |
| fuzzyman | so we shouldn't have to juggle different length slots | 20:26 |
| pinner | DazWorral: AFAIR you have to send the mails manually - that's a job for the speaker's Champion | 20:26 |
| DazWorrall | yeah, 15 mins for speaker changeover /extended QA (though without the projector) | 20:26 |
| fuzzyman | DazWorrall: we should probably hold off on acceptance emails until all talks are decided | 20:26 |
| zeth | DazWorrall: we turned off the automatic emails in order to have talk champions last year, i.e. someone on the speaker team to provide consistent communication | 20:27 |
| fuzzyman | DazWorrall: fine to accept them in the system but lets notify everyone at the same time | 20:27 |
| DazWorrall | got ya, cheers | 20:27 |
| DazWorrall | I asked because someone (John?) was wondering if the speakers were holding off registration until they were accepted | 20:27 |
| zeth | Shouldn't we just accept as we go along? Then they will book | 20:27 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: we'd thought that advising speakers on acceptance would maintain their interest, and that of potential delegates as they could see talks appearing in the programme | 20:27 |
| fuzzyman | oh, ok | 20:28 |
| fuzzyman | does mean that we have no leeway if a better talk comes along on the same topic | 20:28 |
| fuzzyman | or as *always* happens we get loads of talks at the last minute | 20:28 |
| fuzzyman | but because we have alreaady accepted a lot of talks have to reject ones we would rather have accepted | 20:29 |
| aa_ | pinner: yes glashammer is yapwf :) | 20:29 |
| zeth | We had some kind of template last year giving acceptance, which basically said "I am your talk champion if you have any special requirements keep in touch with me etc, and please spread the word about your talk, if you have a blog or software mailing list, please let people know, etc etc" | 20:29 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: it wasn't so last minute last year, though | 20:29 |
| fuzzyman | oh, ok | 20:29 |
| zeth | people then emailed this out | 20:29 |
| fuzzyman | we still ended up with a lot of talks | 20:29 |
| fuzzyman | too many :-) | 20:29 |
| zeth | yeah I think we are doing okay | 20:29 |
| fuzzyman | I thought we were going to better at rejecting talks this year | 20:29 |
| aa_ | that talk champion email was really great, by the way, it made me feel very warm and happy, though I never heard again from said champion | 20:30 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: taht's why we have 4 days of talks this year | 20:30 |
| zeth | aa_: was your champion me by any chance :-) | 20:30 |
| fuzzyman | right - but it also means we can't just accept every talk and may have to make some hard decisions | 20:30 |
| aa_ | zeth: no, it was the tartley | 20:30 |
| fuzzyman | and making decisions early makes the later decisions that much harder | 20:30 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: and we're not accepting borderline talks until later, when we may have to | 20:30 |
| fuzzyman | so fine to accept *some* talks early - I just wouldn't be too keen to get everything processed | 20:30 |
| fuzzyman | it sounds like only a couple of talks are 'borderline' at the moment | 20:31 |
| fuzzyman | and we may still have to reject 'good' talks, not just borderline | 20:31 |
| aa_ | and sorry, jsut for the record, I was only pretend-pushing with glashammer talk, please ignore me on that :) | 20:31 |
| fuzzyman | I am urging caution on accepting too many talks too early | 20:31 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: that's exactly what Joe and Darren did last weekend | 20:31 |
| DazWorrall | 7 talks which look ok but not approved at the moment, pending what comes later :) | 20:31 |
| Simone | How many talks was proposed? | 20:31 |
| zeth | Should we go back to the talk champion system again this year? | 20:31 |
| DazWorrall | 19 in the system, 1 tutorial and 1 meeting | 20:32 |
| contrary | how many are needed | 20:32 |
| pinner | aa_: I think we should hear about it, howver dodgy a charcater the speaker may be | 20:32 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 20:32 |
| zeth | The Champion field is there in the database | 20:32 |
| pinner | zethL we have, I think, it worked last year | 20:32 |
| zeth | so people can sign themselves up to talks | 20:32 |
| zeth | I guess we need about 5 champions or so? | 20:32 |
| pinner | zeth: explain | 20:33 |
| zeth | So are you sitting comfortably, if so I'll begin | 20:33 |
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| zeth | Last year, each 'champion' had say six talks | 20:33 |
| zeth | and they tried to keep in email communication with the potential speaker | 20:34 |
| ghum | (need to change office, will be back in t+30min) | 20:34 |
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| zeth | helping them to get their talk up to srach | 20:34 |
| pinner | zeth: OK, I though you meant something else entirely | 20:34 |
| zeth | and then afterwards, making sure they are booked | 20:34 |
| zeth | and making sure they don't need any special requirements | 20:34 |
| zeth | like two projectors or whatever | 20:34 |
| zeth | and if they have a problem, helping to connect them with the right person on the crew | 20:35 |
| pinner | zeth: maybe you should put this up on the wiki | 20:35 |
| pinner | zeth; a it's a very good summary of what we intended | 20:35 |
| zeth | i think tartley and lac did most of it last year | 20:35 |
| fuzzyman | right | 20:35 |
| fuzzyman | they worked really hard | 20:35 |
| zeth | I was a talk champion for a few though | 20:35 |
| fuzzyman | if we can spread that out a bit it would be good | 20:35 |
| fuzzyman | especially as lac is not so available this year | 20:36 |
| zeth | but mostly just to watch things working | 20:36 |
| pinner | zeth: s/most/all/ ? | 20:36 |
| zeth | fuzzyman: agreed | 20:36 |
| fuzzyman | I'm happy to be somewhat involved - championing a few talks and being in contact with speakers sounds fine | 20:36 |
| zeth | most people don't need any help | 20:36 |
| fuzzyman | where do I sign up? | 20:36 |
| fuzzyman | so long as I don't get the glasshammer guy... | 20:36 |
| zeth | fuzzyman: do you still have your login to the system? | 20:36 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: I have absolutely no idea :-) | 20:37 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: set yourself as champion to some of the talks ? | 20:37 |
| fuzzyman | I will try and look | 20:37 |
| zeth | username fuzzyman | 20:37 |
| fuzzyman | if I can find my login | 20:37 |
| fuzzyman | ok - I will report back | 20:37 |
| zeth | password sha1$66d35$760043830bb58b95fa4cc2e706aae2ceca23ad28 | 20:37 |
| zeth | ;-) | 20:37 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: very helpful, thanks | 20:37 |
| matti | LOL | 20:37 |
| zeth | someone will find this on the online version of the logs, run the sha1 into a supercomputer and edit a talk in the year 3000 | 20:38 |
| fuzzyman | so have we completed the sponsorship topic then? | 20:38 |
| pinner | OK, we need to move on, but first... | 20:38 |
| zeth | (I can change your password if you cannot find it) | 20:38 |
| pinner | ACTION zeth/fuzzyman to put talks champions page on wiki, what champs do, and space for them to sign up | 20:38 |
| zeth | cool | 20:39 |
| pinner | should be under VolunteersByActivity ? | 20:39 |
| pinner | so... | 20:39 |
| zeth | they need to sign up within the system, but I'll explain that on the page | 20:39 |
| zeth | cool, next | 20:39 |
| pinner | TOPIC Sponsorship | 20:39 |
| pinner | The (electronic\0 brochure should be available by the end of the week. | 20:40 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: yeah, I have no record of any login details so if you could email a new password and the login url that would be appreciated | 20:40 |
| conch | it is I've looked at it | 20:40 |
| pinner | _dboddie: anything to report on Sponsorship? | 20:40 |
| conch | that's the poster not the brochure | 20:41 |
| pinner | conch: No, the Brochure, the Poster is up on the wiki already | 20:41 |
| conch | The brochure is still in draft, no? | 20:41 |
| pinner | Did you see my note about Google Bursary for women? | 20:42 |
| conch | Yes | 20:42 |
| pinner | conch: yes | 20:42 |
| _dboddie | pinner: Nothing to report. As you know, we're still getting things going. | 20:42 |
| conch | the pdf brochure will trigger mailings | 20:42 |
| _dboddie | If I get the PDF, I can pass it around. | 20:42 |
| pinner | It seems that we may be able to get a significant Bursary from Google to encourage women to attend | 20:43 |
| conch | although we don't approach everyone at once | 20:43 |
| pinner | which would make a great difference | 20:43 |
| zeth | fuzzyman: emailed your gmail | 20:43 |
| _dboddie | conch: OK, well I'll follow your lead on this. | 20:43 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: thanks (in general I don't use that address though - it is my 'archive' address) | 20:44 |
| pinner | The problem is that our usual Google contact is on maternity leave! | 20:44 |
| Simone | pinner: how works the Bursary from Google? | 20:44 |
| conch | _dboddie: we need ideas about additional sponsors. We didn't have our voip conversation | 20:44 |
| conch | I've been out of the office a lot the last couple of weeks | 20:45 |
| pinner | Simone: I think it's menat to pay expenses for the women to attend, but I'm told that in practice they don't check up on how it' s spent, as long as you get more women there | 20:45 |
| _dboddie | conch: Right. Shall we brainstorm now, or shall I call you? | 20:45 |
| Simone | pinner: ok | 20:45 |
| conch | _dboddie: I can e-mail you the list of known potential sponsors (mostly from last year) | 20:45 |
| zeth | pinner: can google pay my wife's bus fair ;) | 20:45 |
| _dboddie | conch: That would be good. Thanks. | 20:46 |
| pinner | conch_ : out ofthe meeting may be best | 20:46 |
| conch | _dboddie: do we have your e-mail at the office? | 20:46 |
| pinner | zeth: is she giving a talk? | 20:46 |
| zeth | [Just read the emails, I think DazWorrall is correct: | 20:46 |
| zeth | OK, I submitted my talk proposal, I think. After hitting 'submit' I got sent right back to the submission page with no visible indication that the form submission succeeded, so I hit it again to the same effect. Sorry if that means I have a duped submission.] | 20:46 |
| zeth | that last bit is a quote | 20:46 |
| Simone | As Fabio Pliger mentioned in tha last irc meeting, we could ask to PyCon Italy current sponsors to sponsor EP as well | 20:46 |
| zeth | pinner: not a serious suggestion | 20:47 |
| _dboddie | conch: -> private message | 20:47 |
| pinner | zeth: please note that conferences and pregnancy don't mix happily | 20:47 |
| zeth | I will try to get my talk scheduled at the beginning | 20:47 |
| _dboddie | Simone: That would be interesting, I think. | 20:47 |
| zeth | just in case it comes out early | 20:47 |
| conch | _dboddie: thanx | 20:47 |
| pinner | _dboddie: you and conch need to make sure that Simone and Fabio are involved | 20:48 |
| _dboddie | pinner: Sure. | 20:48 |
| conch | pinner: what's the best way? | 20:48 |
| pinner | zethL not at the registration desk, I hope :-) | 20:48 |
| conch | pinner: should we have a sponsorship list or something? | 20:48 |
| pinner | conch: strat with email, then set up whatever works best: phone!VoIP| IRC!email | 20:49 |
| zeth | least it will have a T-shirt, will have a cloth tote bag to carry around in also | 20:49 |
| Simone | Our current sponsor are showed on the right side of the conference http://www.pycon.it/ And we would like to propose them to obtain some sort of visibility at EP paying just 20% more than what they do for PyCon Italy | 20:49 |
| zeth | Simone: sounds ideal | 20:49 |
| pinner | Simone: good idea | 20:49 |
| conch | Simone: excellent idea | 20:49 |
| pinner | conch: we have last year's list, and PyCON IT, plue we have had a few enquiries... | 20:50 |
| _dboddie | pinner: That's good. People coming to us. | 20:51 |
| Simone | We would like to do this reciprocally and ask, for instance, to Google to sponsor PyCon Italy with just 20% more they spent for EP 2010 | 20:51 |
| pinner | ACTION Sponsorship Group consisting of _dboddie, conch, simone, fpliger to be set up outside this meeting, to report back at nest meeting | 20:51 |
| Simone | pinner: ok | 20:52 |
| _dboddie | Simone: Sounds reasonable - we can only ask and see what happens. | 20:52 |
| zeth | Simone: how would we split it? | 20:52 |
| zeth | reciprocally might be a problem | 20:52 |
| pinner | TOPIC Registration | 20:52 |
| zeth | since wouldn't Pycon France and Ireland and others have something to say? | 20:52 |
| pinner | 114 delegate were registered this afternoon | 20:52 |
| zeth | But I suppose they just missed the boat :-) | 20:52 |
| pinner | We are now on early Bird rates | 20:53 |
| pinner | Some delegates have not paid. | 20:53 |
| DazWorrall | many? | 20:53 |
| pinner | One company booked 'pay by cheque' and got EEB rates, but so far have not sent payment | 20:54 |
| zeth | shared state problem | 20:54 |
| pinner | DazWorrall: I'm not sure how many, as we may not know if we've received a Bank Transfer for as long as a month, depending on when we get a stement | 20:55 |
| pinner | ghum: have you made your bank transfer? | 20:55 |
| pinner | DazWorrall: but it's not many, say 10 | 20:56 |
| pinner | TOPIC Accommodation | 20:56 |
| DazWorrall | nothing to be worried about at this point I guess :) | 20:56 |
| pinner | We worked out the effects of the changed hotel rates. | 20:57 |
| pinner | The effect was only £138 in total | 20:57 |
| pinner | and moreati and I hav emade ther refunds we though necessary, ie | 20:57 |
| zeth | 138 for all the delegates? | 20:57 |
| zeth | I suppose most people went to ETAP | 20:58 |
| pinner | we did not refund if the refund was comparable with the charges made on the original payment, otherwise we would be making a loss | 20:58 |
| zeth | cool | 20:58 |
| pinner | zeth: 138 for all, only Premier Inn was involved | 20:58 |
| zeth | right | 20:59 |
| zeth | cool | 20:59 |
| zeth | well done | 20:59 |
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| fuzzyman | I have to go I'm afraid folks :-( | 21:00 |
| zeth | night fuzzyman | 21:00 |
| pinner | zeth: 86 nights at Etap, 53 at premier, but I think a number of people have booked direct at Premier, as i put on the site that they could get a good deal doinmg that... | 21:00 |
| conch | fuzzyman: bye bye!! | 21:00 |
| zeth | HEllo moreati | 21:00 |
| DazWorrall | fuzzyman: o/ | 21:00 |
| fuzzyman | bye all | 21:01 |
| moreati | evening | 21:01 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: good night, sory I can't make Thursday again. | 21:01 |
| Simone | bye fuzzyman | 21:01 |
| pinner | hello Alex, we've just covered hotel refunds | 21:01 |
| moreati | Have I done my BST to GMT wrong, did this start 1 or 2 hours ago? | 21:02 |
| pinner | moreati: I got it wrong, it was an hour ago. sorry! | 21:02 |
| pinner | Slight change to Agenda... | 21:03 |
| pboddie | I corrected it in the agenda a few minutes before the meeting. | 21:03 |
| moreati | ah, nm | 21:03 |
| pinner | TOPIC Partners' Programme | 21:03 |
| pinner | or Non-Python programme, or Social programme, as you wish... | 21:03 |
| contrary | draft published on improve, no comments yet | 21:03 |
| pinner | contrary: it's on the wiki, as well. | 21:04 |
| contrary | when it is finalised it will be placed as the end column on the schedule - just to remind the delegates that there is something outside ep | 21:04 |
| pinner | also, if we call it the Social Programme, some delegates may wish to join in... | 21:05 |
| contrary | agreed | 21:06 |
| pinner | although being sociable may be out-of-character in some cases | 21:06 |
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| pinner | Has everyone looked at it - http://wiki.europython.eu/NonPythonProgramme - what do you think? | 21:07 |
| ghum | re | 21:07 |
| ghum | re | 21:07 |
| contrary | sorry, what does "re" mean | 21:08 |
| DazWorrall | looks good to me, I like that the paid for events are towards the end | 21:08 |
| DazWorrall | (or at least not at the start) | 21:08 |
| contrary | that is because we will need to book them - earlier the better | 21:08 |
| ghum | what is Rhubarb? | 21:09 |
| contrary | community radio, they are doing some work (vol) with the conference | 21:09 |
| _dboddie | That reminds me, who is handling the audio? | 21:10 |
| contrary | I dont think Ciarán can take the leave | 21:10 |
| contrary | Back to topic - can we take it pp/sp programme is ok at moment? | 21:10 |
| moreati | contrary looks like it, so yes | 21:11 |
| _dboddie | Looks good. | 21:11 |
| pinner | ghum: rhabarber in Deutsch, je pense | 21:11 |
| ghum | pinner: that | 21:12 |
| pinner | contrary: thanks for all the work you're putting into this | 21:12 |
| ghum | that's what I googled, could not bring that into the schedule :) | 21:12 |
| zeth | Partners program looks really good | 21:12 |
| pboddie | A good mix of stuff, that's for sure. | 21:13 |
| pinner | ghum: in England we eat rhubarb with custard, and this radio station has its offices at the old Custard Factory | 21:13 |
| contrary | Thanks. will pass on comments to the others | 21:13 |
| pboddie | I did look at it when it got posted, by the way. | 21:13 |
| pboddie | Do participants get to interrupt a live BBC broadcast? :-) | 21:13 |
| contrary | Not quite! But something else just as fun. You will need to ask your partner to tell you all about it. | 21:14 |
| ghum | aaah, tnx pinner ! | 21:14 |
| pinner | No we have to hope that the geek delegates tell their partners about it, somehow I think that they may not be too keen on doing this | 21:14 |
| contrary | Not too keen, or just not thinking | 21:14 |
| pinner | OK, back on | 21:14 |
| pinner | TOPIC Infrastructure | 21:14 |
| pinner | conch: I think you need a team, and this should be multi-nationsl, yes? | 21:15 |
| zeth | pinner: you think they want to escape | 21:15 |
| conch | pinner: yes | 21:15 |
| zeth | yeah we want some italian wives | 21:15 |
| zeth | no that sounds wrong | 21:15 |
| zeth | it would be fun in terms of the handover if there were some italians on the non-python programme | 21:16 |
| * _dboddie has to be going now. | 21:17 | |
| Simone | I think that Fabio could give some help with infrastructure but now he is not here. | 21:17 |
| Simone | zeth: :D | 21:17 |
| _dboddie | See you all next time. I'll read the logs... | 21:17 |
| pinner | Simone: are there any PyCon IT people who wish to join in: they should go to the wiki VolunteersByActivity page | 21:17 |
| conch | pinner: it's worth making a list of all the different things we need help with... | 21:17 |
| * zeth waves to _dboddie | 21:17 | |
| pinner | conch: that's what the Volunteer page is for! It's just that no one's using it | 21:18 |
| zeth | Simone: do any of the italians live in Florence? | 21:18 |
| pinner | _dboddie: thanks, and Good Night | 21:18 |
| Simone | pinner: I can help with sponsorship and probably Fabio could help with infrastructure since he will present at the conference | 21:18 |
| pinner | Simone: thanks | 21:19 |
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| Simone | I live in Florence actually | 21:19 |
| palla | zeth: I live in Florence | 21:19 |
| pinner | Hello Richard! | 21:19 |
| zeth | cool | 21:19 |
| HippySurfer | PRESENT | 21:19 |
| HippySurfer | Hi | 21:19 |
| zeth | I might be forced to go florence in the week of the 12th April, wondered if any python people would want a drink in the pub that week? | 21:19 |
| conch | pinner: can we e-mail attendees at some point reminding them that the Volunteers page is there? | 21:20 |
| pinner | Simone: I want to see those domes! | 21:20 |
| zeth | I try to avoid work trips, but sometimes I fail | 21:20 |
| Simone | zeth: sure! We can arrange it! | 21:20 |
| zeth | great | 21:20 |
| zeth | I let you know | 21:21 |
| pinner | HippySurfer: we're on Infrastructure, asking for volunteers | 21:21 |
| zeth | when exactly I am going | 21:21 |
| HippySurfer | right, I have been following the IRC logs, I made a suggestion on the aganda that I thought might help | 21:21 |
| pinner | conch: we have to update the mailing lists with new registrants, then we can spam them | 21:21 |
| conch | pinner: excellent | 21:21 |
| pinner | I think that is an | 21:21 |
| Simone | pinner: see you at PyCon Italy? The conference is near to the Dome ;-) | 21:22 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner and conch to update mailing lists and ask or volunteers | 21:22 |
| HippySurfer | copied from Agenda: "suggestion: if someone could include a slightly more precise timetable for the tech team activities in the runup to the main conference days it would make it easier for people to volunteer their time. I suspect that many people are a little intimidated about volunteering for the tech team (or may be that is just me ). A short list of which days you need help in the run up might elicit more helpers." | 21:23 |
| pinner | Simone: good, the big dome or the small one? I hear the small one is better | 21:23 |
| HippySurfer | I am certainly going to be available for some of the time, but I am little unsure quite how to volunteer. So I expect others feel the same way. | 21:23 |
| Simone | pinner: actually in Florence there is just one dome http://dvlr.it/j4RA | 21:24 |
| conch | HippySurfer: good idea | 21:24 |
| zeth | HippySurfer: http://wiki.europython.eu/VolunteersByActivity | 21:24 |
| pinner | HippySurfer: the method should be well-defined, via the VolunteersByActivity page, may be this needs to be made more obvious... | 21:25 |
| zeth | Almost all jobs at EuroPython involve carrying things in circles, if one can do that then you are in! | 21:25 |
| HippySurfer | I know this, but I think that we will get more people if we give a simple timetable that they can sign up to. | 21:26 |
| pinner | Simone: I think there is one earlier and more beautiful prototype, I forget its name | 21:26 |
| DazWorrall | g2g folks, I'll catch up with the logs later | 21:26 |
| DazWorrall | bye! | 21:26 |
| HippySurfer | People will know when they are available, they will oftern feel reticent about pushing for a certain job. | 21:26 |
| palla | pinner: we have a "Battistero" near the dome http://dvlr.it/CX7p you speak about it? | 21:26 |
| pinner | Thanks, Darren! | 21:26 |
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| * zeth waves at DazWorrall[afk] | 21:27 | |
| HippySurfer | I can add a simple day-by-day timetable that volunteers can put there name against. So I can say that I am available all day Saturday and will do what ever is needed. | 21:27 |
| pinner | HippySurfer: thanks, good thinking | 21:28 |
| zeth | A general volunteers section would be good | 21:28 |
| contrary | You might find once it starts getting filled in, others will follow | 21:28 |
| zeth | people who can be give tasks on the day | 21:28 |
| HippySurfer | I will add something to the General Helpers section in VolunteersByActivity. Give me the action. | 21:29 |
| pinner | palla: nice, but not the dome I was thinking of, I'll look it up. These domes inspired Christoper Wren with St Pauls in London | 21:30 |
| pinner | ACTION HippySurfer will put Volunteer Activities timetable on wiki VolunteersByActivity page | 21:30 |
| pinner | TOPIC Publicity | 21:30 |
| zeth | pinner: that would be Rome | 21:31 |
| * pboddie has to go. | 21:31 | |
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| zeth | St. Peter's Basilica | 21:31 |
| palla | need to go, bye all | 21:32 |
| pinner | zeth: No, not Rome, I assure you. The Pntheon dome is solid concrete, the Florence and St Paul's domes are very different and elegant in construction | 21:32 |
| zeth | palla: bye! | 21:32 |
| pinner | palla: good night, thanks for coming! | 21:32 |
| palla | zeth: let us know when you come in Florence | 21:33 |
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| zeth | Will do! | 21:33 |
| pinner | publicity : I think that we have a skeleton, with what a boddie put on the wiki, now with a few more publicity materials we just need to get on with it! | 21:34 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner to chase hawkz for more graphics | 21:34 |
| conch | sorry, must go.... | 21:35 |
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| zeth | Michael Foord managed to use the submission system | 21:36 |
| zeth | The other people are just not reading the instructions | 21:37 |
| zeth | but I email them anyway | 21:37 |
| pinner | ACTION everyone to check out http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity and Blogosphere for what needs doing | 21:38 |
| pinner | TOPIC Keynotes | 21:39 |
| pinner | Ihave invited Allison Randal and Aleks Krotoski, and I hav enew contact details for Stephen Fry form a mutual acquanintance, which will avoid going through his agent. | 21:40 |
| zeth | pinner: hreat | 21:40 |
| zeth | great | 21:40 |
| pinner | I haveing nothing else to report here | 21:40 |
| zeth | http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity and http://wiki.europython.eu/Blogosphere | 21:41 |
| zeth | (in case someone puts the whole thing into the address bar) | 21:41 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next Meeting | 21:41 |
| pinner | Tuesday 13th April, 18:00 BST, 19:00 CEST on freenode #europython, OK? | 21:42 |
| pinner | I think I got those times right | 21:42 |
| moreati | ok | 21:42 |
| contrary | ok | 21:42 |
| Simone | ok | 21:43 |
| ghum | ok | 21:43 |
| pinner | DECISION Next meeting to be Tuesday 13th April, 18:00 BST, 19:00 CEST on freenode #europython | 21:43 |
| HippySurfer | timetable added to http://wiki.europython.eu/VolunteersByActivity so no excuse for not volunteering now! | 21:43 |
| pinner | although I will be on a Perl course then. shock, horror! | 21:43 |
| HippySurfer | Ahhhhh! | 21:44 |
| pinner | HippySurfer: Thanks, I don't know how we'll keep up with you! | 21:44 |
| pinner | TOPIC Any Other Business | 21:44 |
| pinner | I have none. | 21:44 |
| zeth | I may be in florence then | 21:44 |
| HippySurfer | I have this twitch that appears every time I that word: the result of 4 years of proffessional Perl programming, I am scared. | 21:44 |
| zeth | but I will probably have wifi | 21:45 |
| Simone | zeth: or you can use wiki at our office | 21:45 |
| HippySurfer | Could I have a list of all the rooms that we are going to use as soon as it is available, I would like to get the signage ready. | 21:45 |
| zeth | AOB: Why is pinner on a perl course? | 21:45 |
| pinner | I will be in London, also with wiki, and 3G, but I may be trying to convert the Perl tutor... | 21:45 |
| zeth | Simone: cheers! | 21:45 |
| pinner | zeth: to find out more about it, it crops up a lot | 21:46 |
| HippySurfer | I think we need to get John a hair shirt too. | 21:46 |
| zeth | AOB and off-topic: If anyone has any leftover baby paraphernalia let me know | 21:46 |
| pinner | HippySurfer: yes, but rooms not finalised yet, in a couple of weeks, maybe | 21:47 |
| HippySurfer | right'o | 21:47 |
| HippySurfer | zeth: I have some. Boy or Girl, or don't you know yet? | 21:47 |
| pinner | zeth: we dumped ours years ago, our 'baby' is 36 after all | 21:47 |
| pinner | I think we're done... | 21:48 |
| pinner | #endmeeting | 21:48 |
| pinner | thnkas for coming, everyone ! | 21:48 |
| zeth | night all | 21:49 |
| Joe202 | zeth: suggest you make a list somewhere of things you want | 21:49 |
| Joe202 | bye all | 21:49 |
| * pinner needs to go | 21:49 | |
| pinner | Joe202: are you Joe M? | 21:49 |
| Simone | bye all | 21:49 |
| Joe202 | Yes! | 21:49 |
| pinner | Joe202: for the minutes | 21:49 |
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| HippySurfer | good night everyone. | 21:50 |
| zeth | Joe202: good idea | 21:50 |
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| zeth | Night all | 21:52 |
| zeth | If anyone wants to catch me, I hang out at #sblug | 21:52 |
| zeth | (or I might still be on here, depending on when my client resets) | 21:52 |
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| aa_ | bye everyone still here, missus got home and decided to go on the "what have you done for me lately?!" | 22:09 |
| matti | ? | 22:11 |
| matti | That reminded me why I am still old bachelor :) | 22:11 |
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