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| _dboddie | zerok: Yes, I think that's the way it works. | 14:28 |
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| zerok | _dboddie : thanks :-) | 14:29 |
| matti | ;] | 14:32 |
| _dboddie | :-( | 14:40 |
| _dboddie | (work emoticon) | 14:40 |
| matti | Oh... | 14:40 |
| matti | _dboddie: ... | 14:40 |
| * matti hugs _dboddie | 14:40 | |
| matti | _dboddie: *there* *there* | 14:40 |
| _dboddie | (Because there isn't one for "pulling my hair out".) :-) | 14:40 |
| _dboddie | B=:-( | 14:41 |
| zerok | i think i'm missing something :-P | 14:42 |
| matti | That looks like one unhappy cheef. | 14:42 |
| matti | ;] | 14:42 |
| _dboddie | zerok: This is the #europython and #complain-about-working-for-large-corporations channel. ;-) | 14:43 |
| zerok | ahhhhh ^_^ | 14:43 |
| matti | :-/\/\ | 14:43 |
| matti | _dboddie: Seriously? | 14:43 |
| _dboddie | matti: Not really. If it was, then there would be a lot more people here. :-) | 14:44 |
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| ghum | moin | 18:34 |
| ghum | moinmoin | 18:34 |
| _dboddie | Hi | 18:52 |
| ghum | hi dbpoddie | 18:55 |
| ghum | -p | 18:55 |
| ThomasWaldmann | moin ghum | 18:56 |
| ghum | moin mr moin | 18:57 |
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| daz | hello everyone :) | 19:03 |
| ghum | hello daz | 19:03 |
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| DazWorrall | quick question before tonights meeting if I may: the publicity page: http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity/Channels | 19:04 |
| DazWorrall | are you just looking for people to take respibility for mailing the various lists? | 19:04 |
| ghum | prefereble people with some positive reputation on that lists, yeah | 19:05 |
| ThomasWaldmann | ghum: btw, are there slides of your zerolib talk? | 19:05 |
| ghum | zerolib ... that was CERN, wasn't it | 19:05 |
| ghum | ... have to dig in backups | 19:06 |
| ThomasWaldmann | maybe | 19:06 |
| DazWorrall | ghum: thanks. probably too much of a lurker to come under that category :) | 19:06 |
| * ThomasWaldmann could use them now and then when discussion comes to templating :D | 19:06 | |
| DazWorrall | I added oggcamp in liverpool as a possible pimp point. trying to rearrange some things so I can attend, and I'll pimp EP if thats the case | 19:06 |
| * ghum uses zerolib exclusivle for templating and is looking forward to use the 2.6 improvements to zerolib | 19:07 | |
| ghum | shouldn't our meeting start now? | 19:10 |
| ghum | or am I mixing up timezones again? | 19:10 |
| DazWorrall | starts in 50 mins :) | 19:11 |
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| _dboddie | DazWorrall: I think we are looking for volunteers for list spamming^Wpromotion. | 19:27 |
| DazWorrall | right, I'm going to travel home. Will probably miss the meeting start but I plan to return | 19:29 |
| DazWorrall | o/ | 19:29 |
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| aa_ | apologies from me today: sorry | 19:58 |
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| _dboddie | Hi paul_boddie | 20:03 |
| paul_boddie | Hello! | 20:03 |
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| moreati | evening all | 20:03 |
| paul_boddie | Ladies and gentlemen! | 20:03 |
| pinner | Good evening all, sorry to be late... | 20:04 |
| pinner | are we ready to make a start? | 20:04 |
| pinner | #startmeeting | 20:04 |
| paul_boddie | PRESENT | 20:05 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 20:05 |
| _dboddie | PRESENT | 20:05 |
| _dboddie | !!! | 20:05 |
| ghum | PRESENT | 20:05 |
| moreati | PRESENT | 20:05 |
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| moreati | aa_, sends apologies, DazWorrall will join later | 20:05 |
| [fpliger] | hi all | 20:05 |
| pinner | Thanks to paul fro drawing up an agenda, I have added some notes to it, there doesn't seem much point in discussing what actions have taken pleace when they can be listed on the agenda! | 20:06 |
| pinner | hi Fabio! | 20:06 |
| paul_boddie | http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingAgenda20100309 | 20:06 |
| pinner | so Item 1 is | 20:06 |
| pinner | TOPIC Apologies | 20:07 |
| moreati | aa_, sends apologies, DazWorrall will join later | 20:07 |
| pinner | moreati gave Ali's apologies, I have Nick's (nmbooker that is) | 20:07 |
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| pinner | so, | 20:08 |
| pinner | TOPIC Privacy of Talks submissions system | 20:09 |
| conch | PRESENT | 20:09 |
| paul_boddie | I haven't mentioned anything to Zeth yet, sadly. | 20:09 |
| pinner | zeth is not present, I'll prod him.. | 20:10 |
| * pinner calls Zeth... | 20:11 | |
| moreati | can somebody briefly say what is lacking at the moment? | 20:11 |
| pinner | zeth is joining us now | 20:11 |
| pinner | moreati: when you entered your email address in the 2010 bio section, it read and didsplayed your data from 2009 | 20:12 |
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| zeth | Hello all | 20:12 |
| zeth | PRESENT | 20:12 |
| conch | Hi zeth | 20:12 |
| [fpliger] | Hi | 20:12 |
| zeth | Unfortantely my IRC client seems to have been off, so I cannot scroll back | 20:13 |
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| pinner | or the data of whoever's email address you used... | 20:13 |
| DazWorrall | PRESENT | 20:13 |
| moreati | oh.. | 20:13 |
| DazWorrall | hello everyone, sorry for being late | 20:13 |
| paul_boddie | Example: http://www.europython.eu/submission/?email_address=theology%40gmail.com | 20:13 |
| zeth | so if someone could paste the last half hour's log or so into a private message, it would be helpful | 20:13 |
| paul_boddie | (Sorry Zeth!) | 20:13 |
| paul_boddie | zeth: We haven't discussed anything other than the talk submissions yet. | 20:14 |
| moreati | zeth, http://mg.pov.lt/europython-irclog | 20:14 |
| pinner | so an action from the last meeting was for three people (including zeth to discuss the problem and arrive at a satisfactory solution, people we aa_ and fuzzyman, IIRC | 20:14 |
| ghum | paul_boddie: that information was made public anyway. public as in "on our website, in google cache, printed out"... | 20:14 |
| paul_boddie | ghum: I think people didn't like the phone number appearing or something. Plus there's some potential for some pranks. :-) | 20:15 |
| pinner | zeth: has there been any discussion or progress? | 20:15 |
| ghum | paul_boddie: pranks you are right :) | 20:15 |
| pinner | ghum: pranks, that's good colloquial English | 20:16 |
| moreati | I've just tried the form, it's ***ing the first few characters of my address and telephone no | 20:16 |
| paul_boddie | Problem possibly solved, then. | 20:16 |
| pinner | moreati: that must be zeth's solution, I thinks that's OK | 20:16 |
| _dboddie | You might as well just erase all the fields... | 20:17 |
| ghum | pinner: guess I understood. A prank would be a submission with guido@python.org "tail recursion optimization in Python 3.4" | 20:17 |
| paul_boddie | ghum: "My greatest mistake: Python 3" ;-) | 20:17 |
| pinner | ghum: better still, from __future__ import braces | 20:17 |
| zeth | What we agreed last time was implemented (more or less) during the meeting | 20:17 |
| paul_boddie | Alright. Next topic, then, I guess. ;-) | 20:18 |
| ghum | I liked those **** across my phone number. It is kind of the freemason handshake. Mese approves :) | 20:18 |
| zeth | I think it was never a real problem, but I greyed out the personal stuff | 20:18 |
| pinner | I suggest that if the working party from last meeting are happy, we accept what they propose/have done | 20:19 |
| zeth | You had to know the email address to enter in any case | 20:19 |
| zeth | so it should not be in the google cache | 20:19 |
| zeth | yup, next topic | 20:19 |
| ghum | while going to the next topic: ciao to all Italians! | 20:19 |
| pinner | but remeber we published the email addresses in the conf delegate list. | 20:20 |
| zeth | on paper | 20:20 |
| [fpliger] | ghum: CIAO :) | 20:20 |
| zeth | next topic | 20:21 |
| _dboddie | Sponsorship... | 20:22 |
| pinner | as not all the working aprty are present, I suggest we accept what we have and move on to the next topic. The wp need to report at the next meeting. | 20:22 |
| pinner | TOPIC Sponsorship | 20:22 |
| _dboddie | I sent a mail to the mailing list. It would be good to get a contact list. | 20:22 |
| _dboddie | Do we need to do printed brochures? | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | hey guys - sorry I'm late | 20:23 |
| conch | No | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | PRESENT | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | (belatedly) | 20:23 |
| conch | pdf will suffice | 20:23 |
| pinner | I updated the agenda with where we are at with the Sponsorship Brochure, which was an action point from the last meeting | 20:23 |
| conch | fuzzyman: Hi! | 20:23 |
| [fpliger] | hi fuzzyman | 20:24 |
| fuzzyman | hi all | 20:24 |
| fuzzyman | [fpliger]: I have an email in my inbox from you that I'm still procrastinating on :-) | 20:25 |
| pinner | _dboddie: the thought was that a small number of printed brochures help get commitment, potential sponsors seem happier with dead trees | 20:25 |
| moreati | So, £45 to update the art work and get a PDF, £50 to have 10 printed, £88 for 20 | 20:25 |
| fuzzyman | quite expensive but worth it | 20:25 |
| pinner | and bear in mind that we're getting the art work at low prices in expectation of a print run | 20:25 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: those artwork prices are very cheap | 20:26 |
| fuzzyman | right - the artwork price is very cheap, sorry | 20:26 |
| moreati | I'd say go for the run of 10, if we need another run later on the extra cost is only £12 | 20:26 |
| fuzzyman | it was the print cost that seemed expensive | 20:26 |
| [fpliger] | [fuzzyman]: :) Procrastinating? :) | 20:26 |
| conch | There's not very much to do as a lot of the content from last year can remain | 20:26 |
| _dboddie | pinner: As long as we know who we're sending them to, we can decide how many we want. | 20:26 |
| pinner | I would say that 10 prints are sufficient, last we year we had 20 and didn't use them all | 20:26 |
| _dboddie | Agreed. | 20:27 |
| [fpliger] | about sponsorship. as i'vr proposed we can try to approch italian sponsors. | 20:27 |
| _dboddie | Less is more. :-) | 20:27 |
| ghum | something real world aka printed is good for something as virtual as sponsoring | 20:27 |
| conch | Maybe we should get the brochure translated (into Italian?) | 20:27 |
| pinner | fpliger: but please don't tell them than PyCon IT is the biggest European Python conference ;-) | 20:28 |
| [fpliger] | :D Pycon IT is still a local conference! But we manage to raise some good funds from sponsorship. | 20:29 |
| pinner | So for Sponsorship so far we have a group of fpliger, conch, _dboddie, pinner, anyone else? | 20:30 |
| [fpliger] | I believe that if we mix the EP factor we can manage to have more sponsors for Pycon IT and, also, make them give some sponsorship to Europython | 20:30 |
| zeth | Maybe we should have a German version also, is there anyone that could do that? | 20:30 |
| _dboddie | zeth: Maybe a Finnish version, too. ;-) | 20:31 |
| zeth | Presumably one could edit or abridge it a bit, if some bits are not easy to translate | 20:31 |
| conch | Probably a German speaker.... | 20:31 |
| [fpliger] | also Palla and Zinani from the Italian team. They are workinh 70% of their time for our conference stuff. They can do for EP sponsorship to i guess | 20:31 |
| pinner | fpliger: one of your guys has posted that you have the biggest! Which does not help when we come along afterwards saying that EP is the main Eu Python conf | 20:31 |
| ghum | translate the sponsorship brochure to german? | 20:31 |
| _dboddie | ghum: Yes. | 20:31 |
| zeth | _dboddie: yeah but being in Birmingham I don't have anyone finnish to give it to | 20:31 |
| pinner | _dboddie: do I gathere that you hope to get something from our friends in Espoo? | 20:32 |
| _dboddie | I can pass something to people upstairs, but it will have to be in English. | 20:32 |
| ghum | _dboddie: mail me the source-file and I will do my best to translate | 20:32 |
| zeth | only She Who Must Be Obeyed and she does not have money | 20:32 |
| _dboddie | pinner: ^^^ ghum | 20:32 |
| _dboddie | (you have a volunteer translator) | 20:32 |
| [fpliger] | pinner: I see. Where did they post this? I agree with you on that.. | 20:33 |
| paul_boddie | pinner: EP just has to be bigger. No problem there... ;-) | 20:34 |
| pinner | fpliger: I thin on ep-improve, I'll check later... | 20:34 |
| pinner | Last year EP was 446 delegates, don't know about this year yet... | 20:34 |
| pinner | fpliger: s/thin/think/ | 20:35 |
| ghum | that ist 40% pycon. great for being way younger | 20:35 |
| paul_boddie | In conference-space, bigger isn't better anyway. | 20:35 |
| [fpliger] | pinner: We had more or less the same number. A little bit less i think. The point is that he(we?) should talk about the biggest LOCAL conference in europe.. | 20:36 |
| moreati | so, printing sponsor brochures... | 20:36 |
| zeth | paul_boddie: agreed, the mini pyconuk we had last year was one of my favourites | 20:36 |
| paul_boddie | zeth: Didn't hear much about it, but glad you enjoyed it! | 20:37 |
| _dboddie | moreati: Update artwork, print 10... | 20:37 |
| _dboddie | Vote? | 20:37 |
| zeth | it was very low key | 20:37 |
| ghum | +4 | 20:38 |
| ghum | +1 | 20:38 |
| ghum | that is | 20:38 |
| zeth | next tpoic, I don't think we need to waste time voting when there is no dissent | 20:38 |
| paul_boddie | +1 | 20:38 |
| fuzzyman | +1 to not voting | 20:39 |
| pinner | DECISION OK, so our Sponsorship group is now Palla, Zinani, fpliger, _dboddie, conch, pinner plus we have another volunteer, whos name I forget, will let you know. | 20:39 |
| paul_boddie | zeth: The plus numbers are just the force in newtons pushing you onto the next topic. ;-) | 20:39 |
| aa_ | PRESENT | 20:39 |
| aa_ | (sorry, I was lurking on a conference call) | 20:39 |
| _dboddie | pinner: ghum (for translation) | 20:39 |
| conch | Should we briefly discuss next sponsorship actions before we move on | 20:40 |
| pinner | Hello Ali! | 20:40 |
| aa_ | hi everyone :) | 20:40 |
| _dboddie | conch: Good idea. | 20:40 |
| paul_boddie | conch: Agreed. People agonise over this every year. I'd like to know the secret of the Italian success. :-) | 20:40 |
| pinner | TOPIC Accommodation | 20:40 |
| * zeth waves at aa_ | 20:40 | |
| _dboddie | conch: Too late. I guess pinner will send us instructions via mail. | 20:41 |
| conch | We have failed to discuss Sponsorship agenda item 2 | 20:41 |
| zeth | How much sponsorship does the Italian conference get? | 20:41 |
| pinner | I have posted the status on the agenda, I don't see the need to discuss it further until we have feedback from the accountant... | 20:41 |
| zeth | how much of that is international firms vs local companies? | 20:41 |
| pinner | conch: we have established a team, who can't do much until we have the new brochure | 20:42 |
| aa_ | please make the brochure available electronically | 20:42 |
| [fpliger] | [paul_boddie]: we are in Italy! A country where Berlusoni is the chief of parlament! That's the secret :( | 20:42 |
| aa_ | some potential sponsors like my company can read electronic stuff | 20:42 |
| pinner | aa_ It will be available for downlaod, like last year | 20:42 |
| paul_boddie | fpliger: Not the general secret of success - just the sponsorship. :-) | 20:43 |
| * aa_ goes to hunt last year's | 20:43 | |
| conch | We e-mailed a pdf to all potential sponsors | 20:43 |
| pinner | aa_ : http://www.brumpy.net/ep2009 IIRC | 20:43 |
| aa_ | conch: surely not *all* of them :P | 20:43 |
| [fpliger] | [zeth]: lots :) | 20:43 |
| conch | aa_: yes | 20:43 |
| [fpliger] | [zeth]:i'll check it more precisely and tell you | 20:44 |
| aa_ | pinner: thanks, that's the one | 20:44 |
| zeth | [fpliger]: cheers | 20:44 |
| pinner | aa_ we had low- and hi-res copies, low for email | 20:44 |
| aa_ | haha, a picture of me right on page 2! | 20:44 |
| aa_ | drawing a heart | 20:44 |
| pinner | aa_ yeah, god for the vanity ;-) | 20:44 |
| conch | aa_: We'd best take that out for this year then, (smile!) | 20:45 |
| [fpliger] | about sponsorship... I you agree that a sponsor of Pycon IT can add an extra for EP sponsorship we must stablish how much. | 20:45 |
| pinner | s/god/good/ Oh, I don't know so much! | 20:45 |
| zeth | [fpliger]: that is an interesting idea | 20:46 |
| moreati | [fpliger], <= sys.maxint ? | 20:46 |
| DazWorrall | moreati: lol! | 20:47 |
| pinner | fpliger: it must be enough to justify what work we have to do, last year we had one sponsor giving just £150, which is hardly worth the ffort of putting them on the site and programme | 20:47 |
| zeth | whatever you can get basically, but I think this would need a little co-ordination with ep sponsorship people, to be sure that there are not two different approaches on behalf of europython | 20:47 |
| [fpliger] | we already raised 7/8 sponsors for this year.. but still working hard | 20:47 |
| zeth | one directly competeting with one via Italian bolt on | 20:48 |
| conch | Aren't we meant to be on Item 4 accommodation | 20:48 |
| * paul_boddie has to go. Will read the logs later on! | 20:48 | |
| [fpliger] | pinner: ONE SPONSOR?! | 20:48 |
| [fpliger] | ah ok... got it :) | 20:48 |
| pinner | How about 15% of their PyCon IT sponsorship, with a minimum of EURO 300 | 20:48 |
| * zeth salutes paul_boddie | 20:48 | |
| * paul_boddie returns the salute. | 20:48 | |
| * pinner waves to paul | 20:48 | |
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| pinner | fpliger the largest sposnor was Google, with £2500 | 20:49 |
| [fpliger] | [pinner] can be. And what to they get? Maybe we can split it into 2/3 levels. Like 15%, 30% and 40% | 20:49 |
| moreati | pinner, that would mean the minimum PyCon IT sponsorhip before EP addon was 2000 EUR | 20:50 |
| * _dboddie idles | 20:50 | |
| pinner | fpliger: OK, let's discuss outside the meeting, we can have a wiki page for this... | 20:50 |
| [fpliger] | [pinner] Ok. great | 20:51 |
| pinner | moreati: your figures are faultless, as usual, I don't think that bthere acn be a simple formula for this | 20:51 |
| pinner | so moreati needs to join the sponsorship group | 20:51 |
| * moreati backs away from the formula | 20:52 | |
| pinner | conch; Accommodation has been and gone, we should now be on | 20:52 |
| pinner | TOPIC Infrastructure | 20:52 |
| pinner | conch: this is yours | 20:52 |
| pinner | conch: ? | 20:53 |
| conch | I made a brief posting on ep-improve outlining the current status in response to mention of a PyCon report | 20:53 |
| conch | We need to go 802.11n and have more lines and our own infrastructure | 20:54 |
| pinner | conch: so do you need team members? | 20:54 |
| conch | Absolutely | 20:54 |
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| voidspace | sorry about that - ropey internet connection | 20:54 |
| pinner | people - please read the notes on Volunteers at the foot of the Agenda | 20:55 |
| voidspace | I have to leave in about ten minutes I'm afraid | 20:55 |
| pinner | voidspace aka fuzzyman | 20:55 |
| voidspace | ha | 20:55 |
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| conch | One question on which I would like some guidance is the amount of coverage we would like to have in the Adrian Boult | 20:56 |
| fuzzyman | there you go :-) | 20:56 |
| zeth | well enough for the speaker at least, but if there is a cble for them then it doesn't matter so much | 20:56 |
| zeth | however, for some talks, people in the audience having internet may help | 20:57 |
| conch | We could take the US RubyConf approach and say we're not really going to offer much wi-fi because they should be listening to the speaker | 20:57 |
| fuzzyman | that will annoy people | 20:57 |
| zeth | well I don't buy that | 20:57 |
| fuzzyman | which isn't necessarily a reason not to do it | 20:57 |
| zeth | seems rather paternal | 20:57 |
| fuzzyman | but true nonetheless | 20:58 |
| zeth | however, if it is a cost issue, then scrap it | 20:58 |
| zeth | however, if it is just to be paternal for the sake of it | 20:58 |
| zeth | then lets have the internet | 20:58 |
| conch | Well a lot of people are ssh'ing into work and downloading videos | 20:58 |
| moreati | conch, at 64 clients/AP I don't see how we can phyically locate enough APs for 100% coverage... in the AB | 20:58 |
| pinner | So the options are to provide lots of ABH coverage, so that lots of rude people can distract everyone else from the talks by using their laptops and downloading DVDs (one of last year's problems, or say that we are limiting coverage and discorage laptop usage, Yes? | 20:58 |
| zeth | well I have been in talks and followed the talk | 20:59 |
| zeth | and found the internet helpful | 20:59 |
| zeth | because I can look up the project website etc | 20:59 |
| zeth | some of us can do more than one thing at once | 20:59 |
| conch | We could get more expensive kit - lots of directional antennas at low gain | 20:59 |
| fuzzyman | the twitter and irc back-channels are great during talks | 20:59 |
| fuzzyman | and in some talks using the internet seems less disruptive than getting up and walking out... | 20:59 |
| zeth | 'rude people' is loaded statement | 20:59 |
| fuzzyman | if we can't *afford* (or choose not to afford) to make internet fully available I will fully support that decision | 21:00 |
| fuzzyman | it is a community conference after all | 21:00 |
| ghum | I recommend limitting bandwith per connection to 128kBit | 21:00 |
| ghum | (roughly UMTS) | 21:00 |
| pinner | I suggest that we allow for up to 50% of the audience to connect, which is <=260, or 4 APs | 21:00 |
| ghum | that is enough for SSH and Web | 21:00 |
| DazWorrall | I agree that the internet is useful during the talks, fwiw. I made severy hg/git/bzr branches during talks last year | 21:00 |
| pinner | that is more than enough IMO | 21:00 |
| conch | It's only the Adrian Boult that gives problems and the black-holes that the conservatoire wouldn't let us in-fill | 21:00 |
| fuzzyman | so lets just do our best without buying lots of expensive new kit | 21:01 |
| zeth | I think we should talk about what we can afford or not afford, not make pejorative arguments about behaviour | 21:01 |
| fuzzyman | worth letting the audience know | 21:01 |
| moreati | pinner, plus APs for other rooms. conch could you give a rough cost for 15-20 APs | 21:01 |
| zeth | I'm sure people would listen better if we strapped them down with straightjackets and waterboarded them | 21:01 |
| DazWorrall | does the kit we have allow us to throttle connections? that seems like a good compromise if it does | 21:01 |
| pinner | DazWorrall: does that mean that you weren't listening to the talks? Just interested. | 21:01 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: I expect you have made your point... | 21:01 |
| conch | 50 quid each | 21:01 |
| zeth | fuzzyman: cheers | 21:01 |
| fuzzyman | I don't come to conferences for the talks | 21:01 |
| pinner | zeth: (aka dubya) good thinking! | 21:01 |
| moreati | so £750 EUR - 1000 | 21:02 |
| fuzzyman | they're a distraction from talking to people... | 21:02 |
| conch | DazWorral: We can throttle connections | 21:02 |
| ghum | conch: that sounds like an excellent option | 21:02 |
| conch | Plus we will need to fund more ADSL lines | 21:02 |
| fuzzyman | moreati: and I assume that is reusable | 21:02 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: but you don't talk to them during the talks, I think | 21:02 |
| ghum | allows people to bing words the do not know, and avoids torrenting vidoos | 21:02 |
| moreati | fuzzyman, yes | 21:02 |
| zeth | Well on the financial side, if people really must have internet, in 2010, then they will have 3G cards | 21:02 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: well - on IRC and twitter... | 21:02 |
| conch | moreati and I can draw up a budget for next time | 21:03 |
| zeth | so I doing a u-turn | 21:03 |
| fuzzyman | yeah I'll have 3G | 21:03 |
| DazWorrall | pinner: on a couple of occasions, yes, but the majority of the time was spent either making notes or quick googling/branching | 21:03 |
| conch | 3G is v bad at the venue | 21:03 |
| zeth | I think what we can afford | 21:03 |
| fuzzyman | shame | 21:03 |
| zeth | so not really a u-turn, I am just saying I am not arguing for having them | 21:03 |
| zeth | (just arguing against not having them on the basis of behaviour) | 21:03 |
| fuzzyman | just arguing really | 21:03 |
| * zeth hides in the corner | 21:04 | |
| DazWorrall | if abuse is/was a problem then throttling seems like a reasonable solution to me | 21:04 |
| DazWorrall | keep the service available for the sensible (vast) majority | 21:04 |
| pinner | I suggest we delegate this to the Tech Team, to come up with a reasonable proposal... | 21:05 |
| zeth | #{[(Well I was not the one who brought up the rubyconf example which I disagreed with)]} | 21:05 |
| conch | I would like to play with a mesh network as support is now in the linux kernel, but will need to do some work before commiting | 21:05 |
| zeth | pinner: agreed | 21:05 |
| conch | pinner: agredd | 21:05 |
| pinner | which brings us to the Question, who is on the tech team??? | 21:05 |
| conch | me.... others??? | 21:05 |
| zeth | conch: mesh network sounds fun | 21:05 |
| pinner | so far I think we have conch and dazworrall | 21:05 |
| moreati | conch, me | 21:05 |
| pinner | plus moreati | 21:06 |
| conch | moreati usually pitches in... | 21:06 |
| DazWorrall | yep, its about time I did something useful, I'll volunteer :) | 21:06 |
| pinner | fpliger: anyone from Italy? | 21:06 |
| conch | we may lose keith white to the partners programme (smile!) | 21:06 |
| conch | DazWorral: Excellent, thank you!! | 21:07 |
| zeth | yes would be good for consitency if we had an italian volunteer (but ITalians probably know what to do because of the biggest conference in Europe thing) | 21:07 |
| pinner | so we have enough team for now | 21:07 |
| [fpliger] | sorry, i've lost the last 10 minutes ( had family/son little crysis) | 21:07 |
| conch | We need Italian volunteers for everything | 21:07 |
| [fpliger] | reading... | 21:07 |
| zeth | in order to hand over things that are being mostly handed over | 21:07 |
| pinner | DECISION Tech team comprises conch, dazworrall, moreati, for now. Tech Team to agree network provision | 21:08 |
| conch | Everyone should be paired with an Italian.... | 21:08 |
| fuzzyman | heh | 21:08 |
| fuzzyman | sounds fun | 21:08 |
| pinner | conch: gender? | 21:09 |
| conch | pinner: either! | 21:09 |
| fuzzyman | conch isn't picky from the sounds of it... :-) | 21:09 |
| conch | (assumes there are two...) | 21:09 |
| pinner | conch: didn't know you were that way ;-) | 21:09 |
| conch | either way.. | 21:09 |
| fuzzyman | every way from the sounds of it... | 21:09 |
| fuzzyman | do we need a vote on that? | 21:10 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next meeting date/time | 21:10 |
| fuzzyman | I have to go I'm afraid | 21:10 |
| [fpliger] | ok. guess the topic is network, right? | 21:10 |
| * zeth dips hat to fuzzyman | 21:10 | |
| * fuzzyman salutes everyone in sight | 21:10 | |
| zeth | [fpliger]: yup | 21:10 |
| fuzzyman | bye all | 21:10 |
| * pinner bows to fuzzyman | 21:10 | |
| conch | fuzzyman: bye | 21:10 |
| [fpliger] | What kind of help can we give? | 21:10 |
| zeth | [fpliger]:we are at point 5 of http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingAgenda20100309 | 21:11 |
| pinner | fpliger: talk to conch, he will be setting up a Tech team wiki page i exspec | 21:11 |
| [fpliger] | [fuzzyman] bye. ( hope to have you posetivly <nswering my email ) ;) | 21:11 |
| pinner | s/exspec/expect/ | 21:11 |
| zeth | I agree that we have an Italian pair if we have enough Italians | 21:11 |
| [fpliger] | [ pinner ]: ok | 21:11 |
| conch | [fpliger]: will e-mail you | 21:12 |
| pinner | zeth: point 6, Next meeting | 21:12 |
| [fpliger] | [conch]: ok. great! | 21:12 |
| zeth | I could have a sidekick for disasterman | 21:12 |
| zeth | pinner: cool | 21:12 |
| pinner | I think we need a meeting in 10days to 2 weeks, 2 weekly meetings seem enough for now | 21:12 |
| zeth | So I can lie back in Florence | 21:13 |
| _dboddie | pinner: It would be good to have progress reports, though. | 21:13 |
| _dboddie | (on the list, maybe) | 21:13 |
| [fpliger] | [zeth] lie back in Florence? | 21:14 |
| DazWorrall | does this day/time suit people after we've moved it? | 21:14 |
| pinner | paul_boddie is going to set up another doodle meeting, i suggest that this should be for week commencing 22nd March | 21:14 |
| pinner | then we can choose that time and day of the week for all future meetings | 21:15 |
| pinner | which was what we were going to do with meeting, but it happened too soon | 21:15 |
| DazWorrall | sounds good | 21:15 |
| matti | Hi. | 21:15 |
| pinner | Hi matti | 21:16 |
| pinner | Ok, I hear no dissent... | 21:16 |
| conch | pinner: Agreed | 21:16 |
| matti | Hi pinner ;] | 21:16 |
| pinner | ACTION paul-boddie to0 set up doodle for meeting week commencing 22nd March | 21:17 |
| pinner | matti: do you want to do the programme again this year, or would you rather do something else? | 21:17 |
| pinner | TOPIC Publicity | 21:18 |
| matti | I help with this and something else. | 21:18 |
| pinner | matti: what else do you wish to help with? | 21:19 |
| matti | pinner: Actually. I need to look at this. | 21:19 |
| pinner | matti: one possibilty is the tech team, others are listed at the end of the agenda at http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingAgenda20100309 | 21:20 |
| matti | pinner: My company is planning on sending me to Singapore in May for 3 to 6 months. | 21:20 |
| matti | pinner: No problem I shall take a look in a minute. | 21:20 |
| pinner | matti: so we may not see you at all :-( | 21:20 |
| pinner | matti: I hope it's extra money for you | 21:20 |
| matti | No. | 21:21 |
| pinner | matti: let us know when you can | 21:21 |
| conch | matti: don't go | 21:21 |
| pinner | back to Publicity... | 21:22 |
| matti | Part of my job -- and they voloun-threatened me to some extend. | 21:22 |
| * matti hugs conch | 21:22 | |
| conch | matti: make sure you get the expenses right! | 21:23 |
| pinner | LIke the Sponsorship, we need a working party, any volunteers... | 21:23 |
| pinner | at the moment we have pinner and conch again | 21:24 |
| zeth | For what? | 21:24 |
| pinner | fpliger: any from Italia? | 21:24 |
| _dboddie | zeth: Publicity | 21:24 |
| zeth | for the booklet? | 21:24 |
| zeth | Ah sorry right | 21:24 |
| _dboddie | DazWorrall: Isn't this something you wanted to work on? | 21:24 |
| pinner | I volunteer ghum | 21:25 |
| matti | pinner: I can donate some money if needed. | 21:25 |
| [fpliger] | [pinner]sure... someone of us can help | 21:25 |
| pinner | matti: your help is worth more than your money! | 21:25 |
| DazWorrall | _dboddie: was willing to email some lists, if that counts :) | 21:25 |
| matti | pinner: OK! | 21:26 |
| pinner | ghum: are you Ok for publicity? | 21:26 |
| ghum | So, which ML shall I mail? | 21:26 |
| ghum | yes, I help pinner | 21:26 |
| pinner | ghum: we'll have a wiki page again, and you can mail ep-improve for now | 21:26 |
| moreati | ghum http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity/Channels | 21:26 |
| pinner | ghum: thanks, I will get you some English blutwurst at EP ! | 21:27 |
| ghum | pinner: I reserved my rooms in the blutwiurst hotel | 21:27 |
| pinner | moreati: Thanks | 21:27 |
| moreati | I'll work through a few of those channels this evening also | 21:28 |
| pinner | OK, we have a decison | 21:28 |
| pinner | DECISION Publicity group consists of ghum, _dboddie, dazworrall, conch, pinner, unidentified Italians, will use http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity/Channels to coordinate | 21:30 |
| zeth | I will lurk at publicity but not commiting myself yet | 21:31 |
| pinner | Did you all see the Poster costs on the Agenda? | 21:31 |
| moreati | Note: using last year's poster with modified text, cost for artwork changes is £15, print run would be £52 for 50xA4 and 100xA5 or £73 for 100xA4 and 200xA5. | 21:31 |
| pinner | We will have a pdf download on the wiki, and some printed ppsters for putting in Public places, universities, libraries, PyCon IT, and so on | 21:32 |
| moreati | For an extra £21 I'd go for the 100/200 | 21:32 |
| pinner | we've missed PyCon US, I hope those who went this year publicised EP... | 21:32 |
| zeth | finding places to stick them is not always easy, the other year I took 40 posters and only found decent places for 20 | 21:33 |
| zeth | (PyConUK actually) | 21:33 |
| zeth | but I suppose you can post small piles to different people | 21:33 |
| pinner | Add to ACTIONS: zeth will lurk on publicity | 21:34 |
| pinner | TOPIC Keynotes and Invited speakers | 21:34 |
| pinner | I had already posted these on the ep-improve list, but I've added the current status to the agenda... | 21:35 |
| pinner | Invited: GvR, Brett Cannon, Raymond Hettinger, Bruce Lawson (all confirmed) | 21:36 |
| pinner | I would like to invite David beazley as well, if we can bear the cost. | 21:36 |
| zeth | I just had this idea a few minutes ago but it is in the news that the UK is going down the High speed rail route, the new Chinese high speed rail trains are all based on software, rather than steam or mechanics, they are 350 kilometers an hour IBM servers, so I am sure the UK ones would be also. There would be a great random talk about that I think. I would have to look into who to ask, but I just came up with the idea. I would start by emailing High S | 21:37 |
| zeth | That came out longer than I thought when typing into IRSSI | 21:37 |
| pinner | And for keynotes we have none, but the Bruce Lawson talk would make one | 21:37 |
| pinner | An I'm trying to get stephen Fry for the dinner | 21:37 |
| _dboddie | Sounds good. | 21:38 |
| aa_ | yes, very | 21:38 |
| pinner | At the last meeting we decide to ask Aleks Krotoski, but I haven't done that yet | 21:38 |
| aa_ | what is gvr speaking about? | 21:38 |
| DazWorrall | g2g guys, will catch up on the logs later. cheers! | 21:38 |
| _dboddie | DazWorrall: See you around! | 21:38 |
| *** DazWorrall is now known as DazWorrall[away] | 21:38 | |
| * zeth nods to DazWorrall | 21:38 | |
| moreati | aa_, perl | 21:38 |
| pinner | aa_ : don't know yet | 21:39 |
| zeth | aa_: that is a good question | 21:39 |
| * pinner says goodnight and thanks to DazWorrall | 21:39 | |
| zeth | we should try to make sure he doesn't give the same talk he gave via video once before | 21:39 |
| aa_ | because whatever it i will draw in the crowds, so you may as well call it a "keynote" | 21:39 |
| zeth | at Lithunia | 21:39 |
| aa_ | oh man, except on video | 21:40 |
| zeth | lithuania | 21:40 |
| _dboddie | zeth: The argument sketch? ;-) | 21:40 |
| zeth | i.e. whats new in Python 3000 that he gives | 21:40 |
| pinner | so, has anyone any more ideas for keynotes? | 21:40 |
| pinner | How about Alastair Campbell, for example? | 21:40 |
| zeth | wow | 21:41 |
| zeth | that would be cool | 21:41 |
| _dboddie | Cory Doctorow was good last year. | 21:41 |
| _dboddie | Maybe someone working with privacy/freedom issues. | 21:41 |
| zeth | there is my high speed rail software idea above | 21:41 |
| aa_ | someone big in open source who's also quite insane | 21:41 |
| _dboddie | Someone from the Open Rights Group, or something. | 21:42 |
| zeth | aa_: that doesn't narrow it down | 21:42 |
| aa_ | zeth: true, there are a efw | 21:42 |
| _dboddie | aa_: Like zeth, for instance. ;-) | 21:42 |
| zeth | indeed | 21:42 |
| pinner | _dboddie: yes, but the best ever was Hans Rosling in Lithuania, I think, good to have something entirely different | 21:42 |
| zeth | well insane maybe, big maybe not | 21:42 |
| zeth | even after a little Christmas fat | 21:42 |
| pinner | s/different/completely/ ;-) | 21:43 |
| zeth | How about something about the relationship between Britain and Europe (not sure how to link it to technology at all) | 21:44 |
| pinner | ESr is big in Open Source, also quite insane, but not a nice person, I suspect we don't want him back (he did EP Charleroi 2 IIRC | 21:45 |
| zeth | There will be a new Minister of Science and Technology from some party or other, we could try to grill him/her about using open source, python etc | 21:45 |
| zeth | grill them about growing a diverse technology industry | 21:45 |
| zeth | maybe dull | 21:45 |
| _dboddie | Hmm. Thinking about people in science... | 21:46 |
| zeth | someone once said that when booked, it is a bit of a gamble whether ESR will turn up | 21:46 |
| pinner | zeth: Britain is part of Europe, so I don't know what you mean | 21:46 |
| aa_ | retired sports people? | 21:46 |
| aa_ | many are motivational speakers | 21:46 |
| ghum | esr was boring | 21:46 |
| zeth | something to do with the technology involved in hosting the olympics? | 21:46 |
| ghum | and not nice | 21:46 |
| aa_ | "sport" it's when you do suff | 21:46 |
| pinner | zeth: or Alan Sugar, he fits the bill in the current Government | 21:47 |
| zeth | there must be a lot of software involved in the olympics | 21:47 |
| pinner | ghum: a wash would have helped! | 21:47 |
| ghum | maybe | 21:47 |
| ghum | he was still rude | 21:47 |
| ghum | and boring | 21:47 |
| aa_ | ok off to pick the wife up, enjoy everyone | 21:47 |
| aa_ | ABSENT | 21:47 |
| zeth | Alan Sugar, that would be cool, we could all come with our Amstrad CPCs, is there a Python version for it? | 21:47 |
| * zeth hails aa_ | 21:47 | |
| pinner | zethl alos I'm trying to get a contact in West Midlands Fire Service IT, to talk about Haiti | 21:48 |
| zeth | pinner: that is cool | 21:48 |
| zeth | If people don't mind, I will have a dig to see if I can relate technology somehow to something cool | 21:48 |
| zeth | There is always CERN | 21:48 |
| zeth | they always come | 21:48 |
| zeth | and pay their own expenses | 21:48 |
| aa_ | ok, I am going, but how about Berners Lee? | 21:49 |
| zeth | Indeed | 21:49 |
| pinner | OK, I think the invited speakers and keynoters are going OK | 21:49 |
| moreati | assuming they aren't a smoking crater by July... | 21:49 |
| zeth | he is the governments open information czar | 21:49 |
| pinner | aa_: that was another name, did anyone see his TED talk last week?? haiti as well... | 21:49 |
| pinner | zeth: if TB-L is now UK-resident, we may well be able to get him, and he can charge his expenses to HMG | 21:50 |
| zeth | yeah he is heading up data.gov.uk so I assume he comes here at some point | 21:51 |
| _dboddie | Would be good to ask, at least. | 21:51 |
| zeth | how about SETI ? They must use a lot of software to find ET | 21:51 |
| pinner | OK matter closed, I suggest we have another wiki page for keynotes, and continue there... | 21:52 |
| * zeth is trying to think of original talk ideas | 21:52 | |
| zeth | Okay | 21:52 |
| zeth | cool | 21:52 |
| _dboddie | zeth: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/indepth/41816 | 21:52 |
| pinner | TOPIC Any Other Business | 21:52 |
| pinner | None from me | 21:52 |
| zeth | I attack pinner with ideas if we go to pub on thursday | 21:52 |
| moreati | Right, I'm going to make food. night all. | 21:52 |
| zeth | AOB - Birmingham near people go to the pub on Thursday for a drink? | 21:53 |
| * zeth shouts toodle-pip to moreati | 21:53 | |
| moreati | yes to thursday, which pub? | 21:53 |
| zeth | Hare and hounds, kings heath :-) | 21:53 |
| pinner | zeth: sounds good, the Bull, or somewhere else? | 21:53 |
| zeth | Or the bull | 21:53 |
| pinner | KH, I wonder why... | 21:54 |
| zeth | :) | 21:54 |
| moreati | Bull it is, night all | 21:54 |
| zeth | I don't mind | 21:54 |
| zeth | cool | 21:54 |
| zeth | see ya all there | 21:54 |
| ghum | night night | 21:54 |
| zeth | arrivederci ghum (getting ready for next year) | 21:54 |
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| pinner | zeth: Tim pointed out the other day that there is no concrete evidence that you have a house in KH, only rumours | 21:55 |
| zeth | lol | 21:55 |
| zeth | will have house warming at some point | 21:55 |
| pinner | zeth: and no one has seen the palstering yet | 21:55 |
| zeth | maybe I should hold a birthday party | 21:55 |
| pinner | so no AOB | 21:55 |
| zeth | I will be officially ancient from April | 21:55 |
| pinner | #endmeeting | 21:55 |
| pinner | Thanks for coming every one! | 21:56 |
| zeth | night all! | 21:56 |
| zeth | (running out of unique ways to say goodbye to people) | 21:56 |
| [fpliger] | [zeth] buon notte! | 21:56 |
| [fpliger] | :) | 21:56 |
| pinner | zeth: definition of ancient >= 30, am I correct? | 21:56 |
| [fpliger] | bye all! | 21:56 |
| zeth | pinner: I couldn't possibly say on a logged channel! | 21:56 |
| pinner | correct, then, a nipper raelly | 21:57 |
| pinner | really | 21:57 |
| _dboddie | A wee bairn. | 21:57 |
| pinner | accent on the wee ? | 21:57 |
| zeth | Will have to start acting like an adult | 21:57 |
| pinner | that will be novel | 21:57 |
| pinner | Good night! | 21:58 |
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| zeth | night all | 21:58 |
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