IRC log of #europython for Tuesday, 2010-03-09

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_dboddiezerok: Yes, I think that's the way it works.14:28
zerok_dboddie : thanks :-)14:29
matti;]14:32
_dboddie:-(14:40
_dboddie(work emoticon)14:40
mattiOh...14:40
matti_dboddie: ...14:40
* matti hugs _dboddie 14:40
matti_dboddie: *there* *there*14:40
_dboddie(Because there isn't one for "pulling my hair out".) :-)14:40
_dboddieB=:-(14:41
zeroki think i'm missing something :-P14:42
mattiThat looks like one unhappy cheef.14:42
matti;]14:42
_dboddiezerok: This is the #europython and #complain-about-working-for-large-corporations channel. ;-)14:43
zerokahhhhh ^_^14:43
matti:-/\/\14:43
matti_dboddie: Seriously?14:43
_dboddiematti: Not really. If it was, then there would be a lot more people here. :-)14:44
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ghummoin18:34
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_dboddieHi18:52
ghumhi dbpoddie18:55
ghum-p18:55
ThomasWaldmannmoin ghum18:56
ghummoin mr moin18:57
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dazhello everyone :)19:03
ghumhello daz19:03
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DazWorrallquick question before tonights meeting if I may: the publicity page: http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity/Channels19:04
DazWorrallare you just looking for people to take respibility for mailing the various lists?19:04
ghumprefereble people with some positive reputation on that lists, yeah19:05
ThomasWaldmannghum: btw, are there slides of your zerolib talk?19:05
ghumzerolib ... that was CERN, wasn't it19:05
ghum... have to dig in backups19:06
ThomasWaldmannmaybe19:06
DazWorrallghum: thanks. probably too much of a lurker to come under that category :)19:06
* ThomasWaldmann could use them now and then when discussion comes to templating :D19:06
DazWorrallI added oggcamp in liverpool as a possible pimp point. trying to rearrange some things so I can attend, and I'll pimp EP if thats the case19:06
* ghum uses zerolib exclusivle for templating and is looking forward to use the 2.6 improvements to zerolib19:07
ghumshouldn't our meeting start now?19:10
ghumor am I mixing up timezones again?19:10
DazWorrallstarts in 50 mins :)19:11
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_dboddieDazWorrall: I think we are looking for volunteers for list spamming^Wpromotion.19:27
DazWorrallright, I'm going to travel home. Will probably miss the meeting start but I plan to return19:29
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aa_apologies from me today: sorry19:58
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_dboddieHi paul_boddie20:03
paul_boddieHello!20:03
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moreatievening all20:03
paul_boddieLadies and gentlemen!20:03
pinnerGood evening all, sorry to be late...20:04
pinnerare we ready to make a start?20:04
pinner#startmeeting20:04
paul_boddiePRESENT20:05
pinnerPRESENT20:05
_dboddiePRESENT20:05
_dboddie!!!20:05
ghumPRESENT20:05
moreatiPRESENT20:05
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moreatiaa_, sends apologies, DazWorrall will join later20:05
[fpliger]hi all20:05
pinnerThanks to paul fro drawing up an agenda, I have added some notes to it, there doesn't seem much point in discussing what actions have taken pleace when they can be listed on the agenda!20:06
pinnerhi Fabio!20:06
paul_boddiehttp://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingAgenda2010030920:06
pinnerso Item 1 is20:06
pinnerTOPIC Apologies20:07
moreatiaa_, sends apologies, DazWorrall will join later20:07
pinnermoreati gave Ali's apologies, I have Nick's (nmbooker that is)20:07
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pinnerso,20:08
pinnerTOPIC Privacy of Talks submissions system20:09
conchPRESENT20:09
paul_boddieI haven't mentioned anything to Zeth yet, sadly.20:09
pinnerzeth is not present, I'll prod him..20:10
* pinner calls Zeth...20:11
moreatican somebody briefly say what is lacking at the moment?20:11
pinnerzeth is joining us now20:11
pinnermoreati: when you entered your email address in the 2010 bio section, it read and didsplayed your data from 200920:12
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zethHello all20:12
zethPRESENT20:12
conchHi zeth20:12
[fpliger]Hi20:12
zethUnfortantely my IRC client seems to have been off, so I cannot scroll back20:13
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pinneror the data of whoever's email address you used...20:13
DazWorrallPRESENT20:13
moreatioh..20:13
DazWorrallhello everyone, sorry for being late20:13
paul_boddieExample: http://www.europython.eu/submission/?email_address=theology%40gmail.com20:13
zethso if someone could paste the last half hour's log or so into a private message, it would be helpful20:13
paul_boddie(Sorry Zeth!)20:13
paul_boddiezeth: We haven't discussed anything other than the talk submissions yet.20:14
moreatizeth, http://mg.pov.lt/europython-irclog20:14
pinnerso an action from the last meeting was for three people (including zeth to discuss the problem and arrive at a satisfactory solution, people we aa_ and fuzzyman, IIRC20:14
ghumpaul_boddie:  that information was made public anyway. public as in "on our website, in google cache, printed out"...20:14
paul_boddieghum: I think people didn't like the phone number appearing or something. Plus there's some potential for some pranks. :-)20:15
pinnerzeth: has there been any discussion or progress?20:15
ghumpaul_boddie: pranks you are right :)20:15
pinnerghum: pranks, that's good colloquial English20:16
moreatiI've just tried the form, it's ***ing the first few characters of my address and telephone no20:16
paul_boddieProblem possibly solved, then.20:16
pinnermoreati: that must be zeth's solution, I thinks that's OK20:16
_dboddieYou might as well just erase all the fields...20:17
ghumpinner: guess I understood. A prank would be a submission with guido@python.org "tail recursion optimization in Python 3.4"20:17
paul_boddieghum: "My greatest mistake: Python 3" ;-)20:17
pinnerghum: better still, from __future__ import braces20:17
zethWhat we agreed last time was implemented (more or less) during the meeting20:17
paul_boddieAlright. Next topic, then, I guess. ;-)20:18
ghumI liked those **** across my phone number. It is kind of the freemason handshake. Mese approves :)20:18
zethI think it was never a real problem, but I greyed out the personal stuff20:18
pinnerI suggest that if the working party from last meeting are happy, we accept what they propose/have done20:19
zethYou had to know the email address to enter in any case20:19
zethso it should not be in the google cache20:19
zethyup, next topic20:19
ghumwhile going to the next topic: ciao to all Italians!20:19
pinnerbut remeber we published the email addresses in the conf delegate list.20:20
zethon paper20:20
[fpliger]ghum: CIAO :)20:20
zethnext topic20:21
_dboddieSponsorship...20:22
pinneras not all the working aprty are present, I suggest we accept what we have and move on to the next topic. The wp need to report at the next meeting.20:22
pinnerTOPIC Sponsorship20:22
_dboddieI sent a mail to the mailing list. It would be good to get a contact list.20:22
_dboddieDo we need to do printed brochures?20:23
fuzzymanhey guys - sorry I'm late20:23
conchNo20:23
fuzzymanPRESENT20:23
fuzzyman(belatedly)20:23
conchpdf will suffice20:23
pinnerI updated the agenda with where we are at with the Sponsorship Brochure, which was an action point from the last meeting20:23
conchfuzzyman: Hi!20:23
[fpliger]hi fuzzyman20:24
fuzzymanhi all20:24
fuzzyman[fpliger]: I have an email in my inbox from you that I'm still procrastinating on :-)20:25
pinner_dboddie: the thought was that a small number of printed brochures help get commitment, potential sponsors seem happier with dead trees20:25
moreatiSo, £45 to update the art work and get a PDF, £50 to have 10 printed, £88 for 2020:25
fuzzymanquite expensive but worth it20:25
pinnerand bear in mind that we're getting the art work at low prices in expectation of a print run20:25
pinnerfuzzyman: those artwork prices are very cheap20:26
fuzzymanright - the artwork price is very cheap, sorry20:26
moreatiI'd say go for the run of 10, if we need another run later on the extra cost is only £1220:26
fuzzymanit was the print cost that seemed expensive20:26
[fpliger][fuzzyman]: :)  Procrastinating? :)20:26
conchThere's not very much to do as a lot of the content from last year can remain20:26
_dboddiepinner: As long as we know who we're sending them to, we can decide how many we want.20:26
pinnerI would say that 10 prints are sufficient, last we year we had 20 and didn't use them all20:26
_dboddieAgreed.20:27
[fpliger]about sponsorship. as i'vr proposed we can try to approch italian sponsors.20:27
_dboddieLess is more. :-)20:27
ghumsomething real world aka printed is good for something as virtual as sponsoring20:27
conchMaybe we should get the brochure translated (into Italian?)20:27
pinnerfpliger: but please don't tell them than PyCon IT is the biggest European Python conference ;-)20:28
[fpliger]:D  Pycon IT is still a local conference! But we manage to raise some good funds from sponsorship.20:29
pinnerSo for Sponsorship so far we have a group of fpliger, conch, _dboddie, pinner, anyone else?20:30
[fpliger]I believe that if we mix the EP factor we can manage to have more sponsors for Pycon IT and, also, make them give some sponsorship to Europython20:30
zethMaybe we should have a German version also, is there anyone that could do that?20:30
_dboddiezeth: Maybe a Finnish version, too. ;-)20:31
zethPresumably one could edit or abridge it a bit, if some bits are not easy to translate20:31
conchProbably a German speaker....20:31
[fpliger]also Palla and Zinani from the Italian team. They are workinh 70% of their time for our conference stuff. They can do for EP sponsorship to i guess20:31
pinnerfpliger: one of your guys has posted that you have the biggest! Which does not help when we come along afterwards saying that EP is the main Eu Python conf20:31
ghumtranslate the sponsorship brochure to german?20:31
_dboddieghum: Yes.20:31
zeth_dboddie: yeah but being in Birmingham I don't have anyone finnish to give it to20:31
pinner_dboddie: do I gathere that you hope to get something from our friends in Espoo?20:32
_dboddieI can pass something to people upstairs, but it will have to be in English.20:32
ghum_dboddie: mail me the source-file and I will do my best to translate20:32
zethonly She Who Must Be Obeyed and she does not have money20:32
_dboddiepinner: ^^^ ghum20:32
_dboddie(you have a volunteer translator)20:32
[fpliger]pinner: I see. Where did they post this? I agree with you on that..20:33
paul_boddiepinner: EP just has to be bigger. No problem there... ;-)20:34
pinnerfpliger: I thin on ep-improve, I'll check later...20:34
pinnerLast year EP was 446 delegates, don't know about this year yet...20:34
pinnerfpliger: s/thin/think/20:35
ghumthat ist 40% pycon. great for being way younger20:35
paul_boddieIn conference-space, bigger isn't better anyway.20:35
[fpliger]pinner: We had more or less the same number. A little bit less i think. The point is that he(we?) should talk about the biggest LOCAL conference in europe..20:36
moreatiso, printing sponsor brochures...20:36
zethpaul_boddie: agreed, the mini pyconuk we had last year was one of my favourites20:36
paul_boddiezeth: Didn't hear much about it, but glad you enjoyed it!20:37
_dboddiemoreati: Update artwork, print 10...20:37
_dboddieVote?20:37
zethit was very low key20:37
ghum+420:38
ghum+120:38
ghumthat is20:38
zethnext tpoic, I don't think we need to waste time voting when there is no dissent20:38
paul_boddie+120:38
fuzzyman+1 to not voting20:39
pinnerDECISION OK, so our Sponsorship group is now Palla, Zinani, fpliger, _dboddie, conch, pinner plus we have another volunteer, whos name I forget, will let you know.20:39
paul_boddiezeth: The plus numbers are just the force in newtons pushing you onto the next topic. ;-)20:39
aa_PRESENT20:39
aa_(sorry, I was lurking on a conference call)20:39
_dboddiepinner: ghum (for translation)20:39
conchShould we briefly discuss next sponsorship actions before we move on20:40
pinnerHello Ali!20:40
aa_hi everyone :)20:40
_dboddieconch: Good idea.20:40
paul_boddieconch: Agreed. People agonise over this every year. I'd like to know the secret of the Italian success. :-)20:40
pinnerTOPIC Accommodation20:40
* zeth waves at aa_ 20:40
_dboddieconch: Too late. I guess pinner will send us instructions via mail.20:41
conchWe have failed to discuss Sponsorship agenda item 220:41
zethHow much sponsorship does the Italian conference get?20:41
pinnerI have posted the status on the agenda, I don't see the need to discuss it further until we have feedback from the accountant...20:41
zethhow much of that is international firms vs local companies?20:41
pinnerconch: we have established a team, who can't do much until we have the new brochure20:42
aa_please make the brochure available electronically20:42
[fpliger][paul_boddie]: we are in Italy! A country where Berlusoni is the chief of parlament! That's the secret :(20:42
aa_some potential sponsors like my company can read electronic stuff20:42
pinneraa_ It will be available for downlaod, like last year20:42
paul_boddiefpliger: Not the general secret of success - just the sponsorship. :-)20:43
* aa_ goes to hunt last year's20:43
conchWe e-mailed a pdf to all potential sponsors20:43
pinneraa_ : http://www.brumpy.net/ep2009 IIRC20:43
aa_conch: surely not *all* of them :P20:43
[fpliger][zeth]: lots :)20:43
conchaa_: yes20:43
[fpliger][zeth]:i'll check it more precisely and tell you20:44
aa_pinner: thanks, that's the one20:44
zeth[fpliger]: cheers20:44
pinneraa_ we had low- and hi-res copies, low for email20:44
aa_haha, a picture of me right on page 2!20:44
aa_drawing a heart20:44
pinneraa_ yeah, god for the vanity ;-)20:44
conchaa_: We'd best take that out for this year then, (smile!)20:45
[fpliger]about sponsorship... I you agree that a sponsor of Pycon IT can add an extra for EP sponsorship we must stablish how much.20:45
pinners/god/good/ Oh, I don't know so much!20:45
zeth[fpliger]: that is an interesting idea20:46
moreati[fpliger], <= sys.maxint ?20:46
DazWorrallmoreati: lol!20:47
pinnerfpliger:  it must be enough to justify what work we have to do, last year we had one sponsor giving just £150, which is hardly worth the ffort of putting them on the site and programme20:47
zethwhatever you can get basically, but I think this would need a little co-ordination with ep sponsorship people, to be sure that there are not two different approaches on behalf of europython20:47
[fpliger]we already raised 7/8 sponsors for this year.. but still working hard20:47
zethone directly competeting with one via Italian bolt on20:48
conchAren't we meant to be on Item 4 accommodation20:48
* paul_boddie has to go. Will read the logs later on!20:48
[fpliger]pinner: ONE SPONSOR?!20:48
[fpliger]ah ok... got it :)20:48
pinnerHow about 15% of their PyCon IT sponsorship, with a minimum of EURO 30020:48
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* paul_boddie returns the salute.20:48
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pinnerfpliger the largest sposnor was Google, with £250020:49
[fpliger][pinner] can be. And what to they get? Maybe we can split it into 2/3 levels. Like 15%, 30% and 40%20:49
moreatipinner, that would mean the minimum PyCon IT sponsorhip before EP addon was 2000 EUR20:50
* _dboddie idles20:50
pinnerfpliger: OK, let's discuss outside the meeting, we can have a wiki page for this...20:50
[fpliger][pinner] Ok. great20:51
pinnermoreati: your figures are faultless, as usual, I don't think that bthere acn be a simple formula for this20:51
pinnerso moreati needs to join the sponsorship group20:51
* moreati backs away from the formula20:52
pinnerconch; Accommodation has been and gone, we should now be on20:52
pinnerTOPIC Infrastructure20:52
pinnerconch: this is yours20:52
pinnerconch: ?20:53
conchI made a brief posting on ep-improve outlining the current status in response to mention of a PyCon report20:53
conchWe need to go 802.11n and have more lines and our own infrastructure20:54
pinnerconch: so do you need team members?20:54
conchAbsolutely20:54
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voidspacesorry about that - ropey internet connection20:54
pinnerpeople - please read the notes on Volunteers at the foot of the Agenda20:55
voidspaceI have to leave in about ten minutes I'm afraid20:55
pinnervoidspace aka fuzzyman20:55
voidspaceha20:55
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conchOne question on which I would like some guidance is the amount of coverage we would like to have in the Adrian Boult20:56
fuzzymanthere you go :-)20:56
zethwell enough for the speaker at least, but if there is a cble for them then it doesn't matter so much20:56
zethhowever, for some talks, people in the audience having internet may help20:57
conchWe could take the US RubyConf approach and say we're not really going to offer much wi-fi because they should be listening to the speaker20:57
fuzzymanthat will annoy people20:57
zethwell I don't buy that20:57
fuzzymanwhich isn't necessarily a reason not to do it20:57
zethseems rather paternal20:57
fuzzymanbut true nonetheless20:58
zethhowever, if it is a cost issue, then scrap it20:58
zethhowever, if it is just to be paternal for the sake of it20:58
zeththen lets have the internet20:58
conchWell a lot of people are ssh'ing into work and downloading videos20:58
moreaticonch, at 64 clients/AP I don't see how we can phyically locate enough APs for 100% coverage... in the AB20:58
pinnerSo the options are to provide lots of ABH coverage, so that lots of rude people can distract everyone else from the talks by using their laptops and downloading DVDs (one of last year's problems, or say that we are limiting coverage and discorage laptop usage, Yes?20:58
zethwell I have been in talks and followed the talk20:59
zethand found the internet helpful20:59
zethbecause I can look up the project website etc20:59
zethsome of us can do more than one thing at once20:59
conchWe could get more expensive kit - lots of directional antennas at low gain20:59
fuzzymanthe twitter and irc back-channels are great during talks20:59
fuzzymanand in some talks using the internet seems less disruptive than getting up and walking out...20:59
zeth'rude people' is loaded statement20:59
fuzzymanif we can't *afford* (or choose not to afford) to make internet fully available I will fully support that decision21:00
fuzzymanit is a community conference after all21:00
ghumI recommend limitting bandwith per connection to 128kBit21:00
ghum(roughly UMTS)21:00
pinnerI suggest that we allow for up to 50% of the audience to connect, which is <=260, or 4 APs21:00
ghumthat is enough for SSH and Web21:00
DazWorrallI agree that the internet is useful during the talks, fwiw. I made severy hg/git/bzr branches during talks last year21:00
pinnerthat is more than enough IMO21:00
conchIt's only the Adrian Boult that gives problems and the black-holes that the conservatoire wouldn't let us in-fill21:00
fuzzymanso lets just do our best without buying lots of expensive new kit21:01
zethI think we should talk about what we can afford or not afford, not make pejorative arguments about behaviour21:01
fuzzymanworth letting the audience know21:01
moreatipinner, plus APs for other rooms. conch could you give a rough cost for 15-20 APs21:01
zethI'm sure people would listen better if we strapped them down with straightjackets and waterboarded them21:01
DazWorralldoes the kit we have allow us to throttle connections? that seems like a good compromise if it does21:01
pinnerDazWorrall: does that mean that you weren't listening to the talks? Just interested.21:01
fuzzymanzeth: I expect you have made your point...21:01
conch50 quid each21:01
zethfuzzyman: cheers21:01
fuzzymanI don't come to conferences for the talks21:01
pinnerzeth: (aka dubya) good thinking!21:01
moreatiso £750 EUR - 100021:02
fuzzymanthey're a distraction from talking to people...21:02
conchDazWorral: We can throttle connections21:02
ghumconch: that sounds like an excellent option21:02
conchPlus we will need to fund more ADSL lines21:02
fuzzymanmoreati: and I assume that is reusable21:02
pinnerfuzzyman: but you don't talk to them during the talks, I think21:02
ghumallows people to bing words the do not know, and avoids torrenting vidoos21:02
moreatifuzzyman, yes21:02
zethWell on the financial side, if people really must have internet, in 2010, then they will have 3G cards21:02
fuzzymanpinner: well - on IRC and twitter...21:02
conchmoreati and I can draw up a budget for next time21:03
zethso I doing a u-turn21:03
fuzzymanyeah I'll have 3G21:03
DazWorrallpinner: on a couple of occasions, yes, but the majority of the time was spent either making notes or quick googling/branching21:03
conch3G is v bad at the venue21:03
zethI think what we can afford21:03
fuzzymanshame21:03
zethso not really a u-turn, I am just saying I am not arguing for having them21:03
zeth(just arguing against not having them on the basis of behaviour)21:03
fuzzymanjust arguing really21:03
* zeth hides in the corner21:04
DazWorrallif abuse is/was a problem then throttling seems like a reasonable solution to me21:04
DazWorrallkeep the service available for the sensible (vast) majority21:04
pinnerI suggest we delegate this to the Tech Team, to come up with a reasonable proposal...21:05
zeth#{[(Well I was not the one who brought up the rubyconf example which I disagreed with)]}21:05
conchI would like to play with a mesh network as support is now in the linux kernel, but will need to do some work before commiting21:05
zethpinner: agreed21:05
conchpinner: agredd21:05
pinnerwhich brings us to the Question, who is on the tech team???21:05
conchme.... others???21:05
zethconch: mesh network sounds fun21:05
pinnerso far I think we have conch and dazworrall21:05
moreaticonch, me21:05
pinnerplus moreati21:06
conchmoreati usually pitches in...21:06
DazWorrallyep, its about time I did something useful, I'll volunteer :)21:06
pinnerfpliger: anyone from Italy?21:06
conchwe may lose keith white to the partners programme (smile!)21:06
conchDazWorral: Excellent, thank you!!21:07
zethyes would be good for consitency if we had an italian volunteer (but ITalians probably know what to do because of the biggest conference in Europe thing)21:07
pinnerso we have enough team for now21:07
[fpliger]sorry, i've lost the last 10 minutes ( had family/son little crysis)21:07
conchWe need Italian volunteers for everything21:07
[fpliger]reading...21:07
zethin order to hand over things that are being mostly handed over21:07
pinnerDECISION Tech team comprises conch, dazworrall, moreati, for now. Tech Team to agree network provision21:08
conchEveryone should be paired with an Italian....21:08
fuzzymanheh21:08
fuzzymansounds fun21:08
pinnerconch: gender?21:09
conchpinner: either!21:09
fuzzymanconch isn't picky from the sounds of it... :-)21:09
conch(assumes there are two...)21:09
pinnerconch: didn't know you were that way ;-)21:09
concheither way..21:09
fuzzymanevery way from the sounds of it...21:09
fuzzymando we need a vote on that?21:10
pinnerTOPIC Next meeting date/time21:10
fuzzymanI have to go I'm afraid21:10
[fpliger]ok. guess the topic is network, right?21:10
* zeth dips hat to fuzzyman 21:10
* fuzzyman salutes everyone in sight21:10
zeth[fpliger]: yup21:10
fuzzymanbye all21:10
* pinner bows to fuzzyman21:10
conchfuzzyman: bye21:10
[fpliger]What kind of help can we give?21:10
zeth[fpliger]:we are at point 5 of http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingAgenda2010030921:11
pinnerfpliger: talk to conch, he will be setting up a Tech team wiki page i exspec21:11
[fpliger][fuzzyman] bye. ( hope to have you posetivly <nswering my email ) ;)21:11
pinners/exspec/expect/21:11
zethI agree that we have an Italian pair if we have enough Italians21:11
[fpliger][ pinner ]: ok21:11
conch[fpliger]: will e-mail you21:12
pinnerzeth: point 6, Next meeting21:12
[fpliger][conch]: ok. great!21:12
zethI could have a sidekick for disasterman21:12
zethpinner: cool21:12
pinnerI think we need a meeting in 10days to 2 weeks, 2 weekly meetings seem enough for now21:12
zethSo I can lie back in Florence21:13
_dboddiepinner: It would be good to have progress reports, though.21:13
_dboddie(on the list, maybe)21:13
[fpliger][zeth] lie back in Florence?21:14
DazWorralldoes this day/time suit people after we've moved it?21:14
pinnerpaul_boddie is going to set up another doodle meeting, i suggest that this should be for week commencing 22nd March21:14
pinnerthen we can choose that time and day of the week for all future meetings21:15
pinnerwhich was what we were going to do with meeting, but it happened too soon21:15
DazWorrallsounds good21:15
mattiHi.21:15
pinnerHi matti21:16
pinnerOk, I hear no dissent...21:16
conchpinner: Agreed21:16
mattiHi pinner ;]21:16
pinnerACTION paul-boddie to0 set up doodle for meeting week commencing 22nd March21:17
pinnermatti: do you want to do the programme again this year, or would you rather do something else?21:17
pinnerTOPIC Publicity21:18
mattiI help with this and something else.21:18
pinnermatti: what else do you wish to help with?21:19
mattipinner: Actually. I need to look at this.21:19
pinnermatti: one possibilty is the tech team, others are listed at the end of the agenda at http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingAgenda2010030921:20
mattipinner: My company is planning on sending me to Singapore in May for 3 to 6 months.21:20
mattipinner: No problem I shall take a look in a minute.21:20
pinnermatti: so we may not see you at all :-(21:20
pinnermatti: I hope it's extra money for you21:20
mattiNo.21:21
pinnermatti: let us know when you can21:21
conchmatti: don't go21:21
pinnerback to Publicity...21:22
mattiPart of my job -- and they voloun-threatened me to some extend.21:22
* matti hugs conch 21:22
conchmatti: make sure you get the expenses right!21:23
pinnerLIke the Sponsorship, we need a working party, any volunteers...21:23
pinnerat the moment we have pinner and conch again21:24
zethFor what?21:24
pinnerfpliger: any from Italia?21:24
_dboddiezeth: Publicity21:24
zethfor the booklet?21:24
zethAh sorry right21:24
_dboddieDazWorrall: Isn't this something you wanted to work on?21:24
pinnerI volunteer ghum21:25
mattipinner: I can donate some money if needed.21:25
[fpliger][pinner]sure... someone of us can help21:25
pinnermatti: your help is worth more than your money!21:25
DazWorrall_dboddie: was willing to email some lists, if that counts :)21:25
mattipinner: OK!21:26
pinnerghum: are you Ok for publicity?21:26
ghumSo, which ML shall I mail?21:26
ghumyes, I help pinner21:26
pinnerghum: we'll have a wiki page again, and you can mail ep-improve for now21:26
moreatighum http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity/Channels21:26
pinnerghum: thanks, I will get you some English blutwurst at EP !21:27
ghumpinner:  I reserved my rooms in the blutwiurst hotel21:27
pinnermoreati: Thanks21:27
moreatiI'll work through a few of those channels this evening also21:28
pinnerOK, we have a decison21:28
pinnerDECISION Publicity group consists of ghum, _dboddie, dazworrall, conch, pinner, unidentified Italians, will use http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity/Channels to coordinate21:30
zethI will lurk at publicity but not commiting myself yet21:31
pinnerDid you all see the Poster costs on the Agenda?21:31
moreatiNote: using last year's poster with modified text, cost for artwork changes is £15, print run would be £52 for 50xA4 and 100xA5 or £73 for 100xA4 and 200xA5.21:31
pinnerWe will have a pdf download on the wiki, and some printed ppsters for putting in Public places, universities, libraries, PyCon IT, and so on21:32
moreatiFor an extra £21 I'd go for the 100/20021:32
pinnerwe've missed PyCon US, I hope those who went this year publicised EP...21:32
zethfinding places to stick them is not always easy, the other year I took 40 posters and only found decent places for 2021:33
zeth(PyConUK actually)21:33
zethbut I suppose you can post small piles to different people21:33
pinnerAdd to ACTIONS: zeth will lurk on publicity21:34
pinnerTOPIC Keynotes and Invited speakers21:34
pinnerI had already posted these on the ep-improve list, but I've added the current status to the agenda...21:35
pinnerInvited: GvR, Brett Cannon, Raymond Hettinger, Bruce Lawson (all confirmed)21:36
pinnerI would like to invite David beazley as well, if we can bear the cost.21:36
zethI just had this idea a few minutes ago but it is in the news that the UK is going down the High speed rail route, the new Chinese high speed rail trains are all based on software, rather than steam or mechanics, they are 350 kilometers an hour IBM servers, so I am sure the UK ones would be also. There would be a great random talk about that I think. I would have to look into who to ask, but I just came up with the idea. I would start by emailing High S21:37
zethThat came out longer than I thought when typing into IRSSI21:37
pinnerAnd for keynotes we have none, but the Bruce Lawson talk would make one21:37
pinnerAn I'm trying to get stephen Fry for the dinner21:37
_dboddieSounds good.21:38
aa_yes, very21:38
pinnerAt the last meeting we decide to ask Aleks Krotoski, but I haven't done that yet21:38
aa_what is gvr speaking about?21:38
DazWorrallg2g guys, will catch up on the logs later. cheers!21:38
_dboddieDazWorrall: See you around!21:38
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* zeth nods to DazWorrall 21:38
moreatiaa_, perl21:38
pinneraa_ : don't know yet21:39
zethaa_: that is a good question21:39
* pinner says goodnight and thanks to DazWorrall21:39
zethwe should try to make sure he doesn't give the same talk he gave via video once before21:39
aa_because whatever it i will draw in the crowds, so you may as well call it a "keynote"21:39
zethat Lithunia21:39
aa_oh man, except on video21:40
zethlithuania21:40
_dboddiezeth: The argument sketch? ;-)21:40
zethi.e. whats new in Python 3000 that he gives21:40
pinnerso, has anyone any more ideas for keynotes?21:40
pinnerHow about Alastair Campbell, for example?21:40
zethwow21:41
zeththat would be cool21:41
_dboddieCory Doctorow was good last year.21:41
_dboddieMaybe someone working with privacy/freedom issues.21:41
zeththere is my high speed rail software idea above21:41
aa_someone big in open source who's also quite insane21:41
_dboddieSomeone from the Open Rights Group, or something.21:42
zethaa_: that doesn't narrow it down21:42
aa_zeth: true, there are a efw21:42
_dboddieaa_: Like zeth, for instance. ;-)21:42
zethindeed21:42
pinner_dboddie: yes, but the best ever was Hans Rosling in Lithuania, I think, good to have something entirely different21:42
zethwell insane maybe, big maybe not21:42
zetheven after a little Christmas fat21:42
pinners/different/completely/ ;-)21:43
zethHow about something about the relationship between Britain and Europe (not sure how to link it to technology at all)21:44
pinnerESr is big in Open Source, also quite insane, but not a nice person, I suspect we don't want him back (he did EP Charleroi 2 IIRC21:45
zethThere will be a new Minister of Science and Technology from some party or other, we could try to grill him/her about using open source, python etc21:45
zethgrill them about growing a diverse technology industry21:45
zethmaybe dull21:45
_dboddieHmm. Thinking about people in science...21:46
zethsomeone once said that when booked, it is a bit of a gamble whether ESR will turn up21:46
pinnerzeth: Britain is part of Europe, so I don't know what you mean21:46
aa_retired sports people?21:46
aa_many are motivational speakers21:46
ghumesr was boring21:46
zethsomething to do with the technology involved in hosting the olympics?21:46
ghumand not nice21:46
aa_"sport" it's when you do suff21:46
pinnerzeth: or Alan Sugar, he fits the bill in the current Government21:47
zeththere must be a lot of software involved in the olympics21:47
pinnerghum: a wash would have helped!21:47
ghummaybe21:47
ghumhe was still rude21:47
ghumand boring21:47
aa_ok off to pick the wife up, enjoy everyone21:47
aa_ABSENT21:47
zethAlan Sugar, that would be cool, we could all come with our Amstrad CPCs, is there a Python version for it?21:47
* zeth hails aa_ 21:47
pinnerzethl alos I'm trying to get a contact in West Midlands Fire Service IT, to talk about Haiti21:48
zethpinner: that is cool21:48
zethIf people don't mind, I will have a dig to see if I can relate technology somehow to something cool21:48
zethThere is always CERN21:48
zeththey always come21:48
zethand pay their own expenses21:48
aa_ok, I am going, but how about Berners Lee?21:49
zethIndeed21:49
pinnerOK, I think the invited speakers and keynoters are going OK21:49
moreatiassuming they aren't a smoking crater by July...21:49
zethhe is the governments open information czar21:49
pinneraa_: that was another name, did anyone see his TED talk last week?? haiti as well...21:49
pinnerzeth: if TB-L is now UK-resident, we may well be able to get him, and he can charge his expenses to HMG21:50
zethyeah he is heading up data.gov.uk so I assume he comes here at some point21:51
_dboddieWould be good to ask, at least.21:51
zethhow about SETI ? They must use a lot of software to find ET21:51
pinnerOK matter closed, I suggest we have another wiki page for keynotes, and continue there...21:52
* zeth is trying to think of original talk ideas21:52
zethOkay21:52
zethcool21:52
_dboddiezeth: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/indepth/4181621:52
pinnerTOPIC Any Other Business21:52
pinnerNone from me21:52
zethI attack pinner with ideas if we go to pub on thursday21:52
moreatiRight, I'm going to make food. night all.21:52
zethAOB - Birmingham near people go to the pub on Thursday for a drink?21:53
* zeth shouts toodle-pip to moreati 21:53
moreatiyes to thursday, which pub?21:53
zethHare and hounds, kings heath :-)21:53
pinnerzeth: sounds good, the Bull, or somewhere else?21:53
zethOr the bull21:53
pinnerKH, I wonder why...21:54
zeth:)21:54
moreatiBull it is, night all21:54
zethI don't mind21:54
zethcool21:54
zethsee ya all there21:54
ghumnight night21:54
zetharrivederci ghum (getting ready for next year)21:54
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pinnerzeth: Tim pointed out the other day that there is no concrete evidence that you have a house in KH, only rumours21:55
zethlol21:55
zethwill have house warming at some point21:55
pinnerzeth: and no one has seen the palstering yet21:55
zethmaybe I should hold a birthday party21:55
pinnerso no AOB21:55
zethI will be officially ancient from April21:55
pinner#endmeeting21:55
pinnerThanks for coming every one!21:56
zethnight all!21:56
zeth(running out of unique ways to say goodbye to people)21:56
[fpliger][zeth] buon notte!21:56
[fpliger]:)21:56
pinnerzeth: definition of ancient >= 30, am I correct?21:56
[fpliger]bye all!21:56
zethpinner: I couldn't possibly say on a logged channel!21:56
pinnercorrect, then, a nipper raelly21:57
pinnerreally21:57
_dboddieA wee bairn.21:57
pinneraccent on the wee ?21:57
zethWill have to start acting like an adult21:57
pinnerthat will be novel21:57
pinnerGood night!21:58
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zethnight all21:58
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