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| zeth | Hi matti | 02:58 |
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| matti | ;] | 12:22 |
| matti | Hehe. | 12:22 |
| matti | Speach-to-Speach translation on Nexus is a good fun ;] | 12:22 |
| * matti it teasing his Italian co-workers ;] | 12:23 | |
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| ambv | Si utilizza Nexus mentre lavorava per il produttore di Blackberry? | 14:44 |
| ambv | matti non, che è il patriottismo locale! | 14:45 |
| _dboddie | "lavorara"? I hope you're not suggesting washing the Nexus? ;-) | 14:49 |
| _dboddie | "Is the Nexus easier to use than the Blackberry?" - is that correct? | 14:49 |
| ambv | _dboddie: try Czech | 14:50 |
| ambv | Můžete si být prakticky kdokoli s Google Translate! | 14:50 |
| * _dboddie surrenders - you win! | 14:53 | |
| ambv | that was: You can be virtually anyone with Google Translate! | 14:53 |
| ambv | whereas in the first sentence I tried to say (using gTranslate of course) that I was surprised that matti is using a Nexus while working for the Blackberry manufacturer | 14:54 |
| _dboddie | It's all part of the complex tapestry of human emotion and experience that is matti. :-) | 14:55 |
| ambv | please elaborate! | 14:56 |
| _dboddie | I couldn't possible elaborate. It would spoil the illusion! | 15:05 |
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| matti | Hehe | 16:58 |
| matti | ;] | 16:58 |
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| ghum | pingpong | 17:50 |
| TheSheep | golf | 17:51 |
| ghum | TheSheep: next IRC meeting is 1800 Central Europe, yeah? | 17:52 |
| TheSheep | I really don't know, I just started lurking here | 17:53 |
| _dboddie | ghum: Possibly. I missed the last one, and I think they skipped it last week. | 17:56 |
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| zeth | Yeah it would be today | 18:11 |
| zeth | in theory at least | 18:11 |
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| ianto | zeth: Is this the correct place for the meeting tonight? | 18:17 |
| ianto | matti: Heya :) | 18:17 |
| ianto | Well tonight/in 45 mins | 18:17 |
| ianto | Oops my bad I couldnt see "freenode" in the email so yes it is | 18:19 |
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| matti | Hi ianto | 18:27 |
| ianto | matti: You going to the next EP? | 18:27 |
| matti | I am. | 18:27 |
| matti | I want to help as well. | 18:27 |
| ianto | I might go as well :) | 18:27 |
| ianto | I wanna help out too | 18:27 |
| ianto | Bit more than last year... | 18:28 |
| matti | ;] | 18:29 |
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| matti | Heh I have meeting at work at 5pm. | 18:29 |
| ianto | Heh eek | 18:29 |
| ianto | Have you seen the access list for this channel? :S | 18:30 |
| ianto | /msg chanserv access #europython list | 18:30 |
| zeth | Meeting is here at 5pm GMT | 18:32 |
| zeth | I will be travelling home hopefully at that point | 18:32 |
| zeth | No such nick moshez | 18:33 |
| zeth | are you there matti ? | 18:33 |
| ianto | = 16:34:04 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last seen : Jan 26 16:57:12 2010 (2 weeks, 1 day, 23:36:51 ago) | 18:34 |
| zeth | ianto: I think we should seek to get op for one of us | 18:34 |
| zeth | so we can change the topic etc | 18:34 |
| ianto | John should be the one to do that being the group contact for this year I think unless Laura (that her name?) is here? | 18:35 |
| ianto | Get him to ask in #freenode later | 18:35 |
| zeth | John, myself, Alex, Quentin etc are all the local organisers | 18:35 |
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| zeth | John will not do it, he hates IRC | 18:36 |
| zeth | he will not have time for that kind of thing | 18:36 |
| matti | zeth: I am. | 18:36 |
| matti | zeth: Hello! | 18:36 |
| zeth | one of us will have to it it | 18:36 |
| * matti hugs zeth | 18:36 | |
| zeth | Hi matti | 18:36 |
| ghum | isn't chaning the topic free for everyone? | 18:36 |
| zeth | any good at django? | 18:36 |
| zeth | ghum: good question | 18:36 |
| matti | zeth: Perhaps, ask the question :) | 18:36 |
| ianto | Mode +t means only ops can change topic | 18:37 |
| zeth | ghum #europython You're not channel operator | 18:37 |
| ghum | ah, so it was changed | 18:37 |
| zeth | I would like to change the topic to say something like | 18:38 |
| zeth | EuroPython 2010 - Birmingham, 17-24 July 2010 - Volunteer meetings are Thursdays at 1700 GMT, 1800 CET | 18:38 |
| zeth | matti: so if you look at this page: http://www.europython.eu/submission/?email_address=zeth%40zeth.net | 18:39 |
| zeth | you can see it has prefilled some of the fields | 18:39 |
| zeth | I want it to prefill the Photo field | 18:39 |
| zeth | which is a forms ImageField | 18:39 |
| zeth | how can one prefill an ImageField in a form | 18:39 |
| zeth | ? | 18:39 |
| zeth | I have no idea | 18:39 |
| matti | You mean "Photo:"? | 18:39 |
| zeth | yeah | 18:40 |
| zeth | I wondered if you could try to figure it out | 18:40 |
| zeth | since I failed | 18:40 |
| matti | Let me see. | 18:40 |
| ianto | Btw try and get me a Welsh flag for the attendee list this year ;) | 18:40 |
| zeth | :-) | 18:40 |
| zeth | ianto: we tried that before, however the system does not really know where in the UK you are | 18:41 |
| ianto | You should make me an exception :D | 18:41 |
| zeth | ianto: we tried to split people into regions | 18:41 |
| zeth | but we will try again next year | 18:42 |
| ianto | Cool if you need any help with that I can try | 18:42 |
| zeth | when we have PyconUK instead of EuroPython | 18:42 |
| ianto | I suppose the first two digits of the Post Code is all that is needed and if it matches a set group of English then England, Welsh then Wales and miscellaneous = UK | 18:43 |
| ianto | Like SA CF LL are Welsh-codes :) | 18:43 |
| zeth | smart | 18:43 |
| zeth | maybe you could fish around data.gov.uk or somewhere to see if you can get such a postcode list | 18:43 |
| ianto | There should be one on wikipedia I hope | 18:43 |
| zeth | Well I will delegate that one to you ianto then :-) | 18:44 |
| ianto | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_postcode_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom#Subdivision | 18:44 |
| ianto | JUst gotta match the cities to a country and we're away :) | 18:44 |
| paul_boddie | The private sector chums of the civil service were guarding the postcode database, but I think Gordo was pressured (by Sir Tim?) into leaning on the people concerned. Not that this means it's out there yet. | 18:45 |
| zeth | It would be ideal ianto to split it into these areas http://python.me.uk/ | 18:45 |
| ianto | Eassy enough to do | 18:46 |
| ianto | http://python.me.uk/wales/ -- Heh | 18:46 |
| zeth | That is your mission then ianto | 18:47 |
| zeth | Two missions | 18:48 |
| zeth | 1. mapping between postcodes and regions | 18:48 |
| zeth | 2. start python wales | 18:48 |
| ianto | 2 will be... difficult | 18:48 |
| ghum | zeth: Birmingham is in west midlands? | 18:51 |
| zeth | ghum: it is | 18:54 |
| DazWorrall | hey folks | 18:58 |
| zeth | Hi | 18:58 |
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| DazWorrall | first time in the meeting for me, been to a few conferences and the wm user group, popping in to see if I can help :) | 18:58 |
| tartley | hey all. Hi fuzzy. | 18:58 |
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| pinner | Hello everyone. | 19:00 |
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| ambv | hello everyone | 19:00 |
| pinner | Hello Alex, hello lukaz | 19:00 |
| palla | hi all | 19:00 |
| tartley | hi John! | 19:00 |
| ianto | Hello everyone | 19:00 |
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| zeth | hi all | 19:00 |
| pinner | hello Jonathan! | 19:00 |
| DazWorrall | hello again everyone | 19:00 |
| fpliger | hi all | 19:00 |
| pinner | hello darren,hello fabio | 19:01 |
| TheSheep | hello | 19:01 |
| pinner | palla: who are you, please? | 19:01 |
| fuzzyman | hello | 19:01 |
| fpliger | palla is one of the italian organizers | 19:01 |
| fuzzyman | beb | 19:01 |
| moreati | hi pinner | 19:02 |
| fuzzyman | oops | 19:02 |
| fuzzyman | I mean brb - back in 5 | 19:02 |
| palla | I'm one of the italian organizers | 19:02 |
| pinner | palla: welcome! | 19:02 |
| tartley | hi palla, nice to meet you. | 19:02 |
| tartley | I'm an english helper from last year | 19:02 |
| pinner | I have put an agenda up at wiki.europuython.eu/IRCagenda, sorry it's a bit late. | 19:03 |
| zeth | Are there any other Django experts here? | 19:03 |
| DazWorrall | zeth: I've done a bit, what's up? :) | 19:03 |
| fpliger | he's finishing a meeting will be back in 10 minutes.. | 19:03 |
| zeth | We have a form | 19:03 |
| zeth | like this: | 19:03 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/submission/?email_address=zeth%40zeth.net | 19:03 |
| ianto | Typo if anyone wants a quick link: http://wiki.europython.eu/IRCagenda | 19:04 |
| zeth | at the bottom is an ImageField | 19:04 |
| zeth | for lots of people we have an image from last year | 19:04 |
| pinner | On the wiki, there is a page to put your name aginst your IRC nick, if everyone could do this, it would be helpful. | 19:04 |
| zeth | so I want to prefill it | 19:04 |
| zeth | like I have prefilled the other fields | 19:04 |
| zeth | rather than getting the user to download and upload again | 19:04 |
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| tartley | That agenda without typos: http://wiki.europython.eu/IRCagenda | 19:05 |
| DazWorrall | ah I see, display the already uploaded image with an option to reupload, that kind of thing? | 19:05 |
| ianto | If anyone has a link to that IRC | REal-Name wiki page | 19:05 |
| fpliger | [ZETH] are the django experts needed to update the website? | 19:06 |
| zeth | DazWorrall: yep | 19:06 |
| paul_boddie | http://wiki.europython.eu/IRCNicks | 19:06 |
| DazWorrall | zeth: cant think of anything off the top of my head, but I'll have a play offline and come back to you if that's ok? | 19:06 |
| DazWorrall | zeth: I may have an idea, but it may be very wrong :D | 19:07 |
| zeth | thanks | 19:07 |
| zeth | perhaps discuss later | 19:07 |
| pinner | Are we ready to go? | 19:07 |
| fpliger | yeap | 19:07 |
| zeth | yep | 19:07 |
| palla | y | 19:07 |
| pinner | #startmeeting | 19:07 |
| zeth | I leave that django topic for later | 19:07 |
| zeth | so we can get the meeting going | 19:08 |
| pinner | TOPIC Apologies | 19:08 |
| zeth | PRESENT zeth | 19:08 |
| zeth | (are we still doing that?) | 19:08 |
| ghum | PRESENT ghum | 19:08 |
| tartley | PRESENT tartley aka Jonathan Hartley | 19:08 |
| paul_boddie | PRESENT | 19:08 |
| moreati | PRESENT moreati | 19:08 |
| ianto | PRESENT ianto aka "Welsh Chris" | 19:08 |
| contrary | PRESENT | 19:09 |
| fpliger | PRESENT fabio | 19:09 |
| DazWorrall | PRESENT dazworrall | 19:09 |
| pinner | Richard Taylor will be late, he's picking up his daughter from school | 19:09 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 19:09 |
| paul_boddie | http://wiki.europython.eu/Organisers#Meeting_Protocol for anyone who is wondering what this is about. | 19:09 |
| fuzzyman | PRESENT | 19:09 |
| ambv | PRESENT | 19:09 |
| pinner | Humble apologies from all of us who forgot last week | 19:10 |
| palla | PRESENT Francesco | 19:10 |
| pinner | Any more? | 19:10 |
| zeth | I am on 3G on the Birmingham Bus network | 19:10 |
| fpliger | [ i'm on highway and my connection sucks.. hope to stand for all the meeting ] | 19:10 |
| zeth | so if I don't answer for a while it is because I am in tunnel or something | 19:10 |
| bbrazil | PRESENT | 19:11 |
| matti | PRESENT | 19:11 |
| tartley | I take it people have seen.... | 19:12 |
| tartley | APOLOGIES Richard Jones | 19:12 |
| tartley | he'll catch up on the logs | 19:12 |
| tartley | oiops | 19:12 |
| tartley | no! | 19:12 |
| tartley | i did it wrong | 19:12 |
| pinner | TOPIC Actions from last meeting | 19:13 |
| tartley | APOLOGIES Richard Taylor | 19:13 |
| tartley | call me idiot | 19:13 |
| fuzzyman | my internet connection is misbehaving so my apologies if I drop off | 19:13 |
| pinner | I think they were all completed, unless someone says otherwise? | 19:13 |
| zeth | I finally did the submission system | 19:13 |
| zeth | did tartley or lac get to see it? | 19:14 |
| pinner | Thanks especially to Richard for all his work on the website. | 19:14 |
| zeth | Cheers to Richard | 19:14 |
| tartley | I did not see it until just now | 19:14 |
| pinner | zeth: don't know | 19:14 |
| tartley | trying it this minute | 19:14 |
| _dboddie | PRESENT (sorry) | 19:14 |
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| pinner | maybe we need to ping laqc/jacob22... | 19:14 |
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| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/submission/ is ready to go if everyone is happy? | 19:15 |
| conch | PRESENT | 19:15 |
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| zeth | feel free to make test submissions during this meeting | 19:16 |
| zeth | I can wipe them out | 19:16 |
| tartley | is the ep 2009 wiki still accessible? I created a page of 'things to fix next year', which I'd like to skim re: the talks submission | 19:16 |
| tartley | thanks zeth, am doing | 19:17 |
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| tartley | I recall in particular, we had ideas about the relationship between talk titles, summary, abstract | 19:18 |
| paul_boddie | tartley: I recommend that someone publish the 2009 stuff somewhere under the europython.eu domain if we can't sort out the domain name problems. | 19:18 |
| pinner | lac is joining us very soon, she hasn't looked at the talks Submissions | 19:18 |
| zeth | 2009.europython.eu or something | 19:18 |
| tartley | @paul_boddie yeah totally sounds good to me | 19:18 |
| bbrazil | zeth: there was a vote last meeting to have 45 minute talks, should the 60 minute talk option be removed? | 19:19 |
| DazWorrall | zeth: what should happen when I press submit? | 19:19 |
| [fpliger] | simone is another member from the italian team. Hi simone. | 19:19 |
| moreati | zeth: looks good, dredging details for repeat speakers is a nice touch. | 19:19 |
| pinner | paul_boddie: by 'someone' I guess you need me; I'd rather sort the domain problems that do all the editing that may be necessary. | 19:19 |
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| zeth | DazWorrall: feel free to press anything | 19:20 |
| moreati | zeth: europython.eu/2009/ ? | 19:20 |
| lac | hello all | 19:20 |
| paul_boddie | zeth: 30 characters for a "snappy title"? | 19:20 |
| zeth | paul_boddie: too many? | 19:20 |
| pinner | simone: Welcome! | 19:20 |
| zeth | is 30 not snappy enough? | 19:20 |
| tartley | we had definite plans re: title length and summary, etc | 19:20 |
| DazWorrall | zeth: heh, I already pressed submit ;) I deliberately entered an invalid url, and it's just returned me to the form. Is that the intended behaviour, or has the validation failed silently? | 19:20 |
| tartley | which are noted on the 'ep2009 wiki' | 19:20 |
| paul_boddie | pinner: Not agitating here, John, but suggesting a workaround. I don't think much editing would be required: most links are site-relative. | 19:21 |
| _dboddie | tartley: "Titles must be Twitterable"? | 19:21 |
| bbrazil | might make sense to link "reStructuredText" to http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html | 19:21 |
| zeth | DazWorrall: the little notes telling you what is wrong are in the same font | 19:21 |
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| zeth | I should probably make them red | 19:21 |
| lac | hi MS | 19:21 |
| paul_boddie | zeth: Just wondered whether VARCHAR(30) was in play. ;-) | 19:21 |
| pinner | zeth: can we get back on track? ie discuss the DJ system outside? | 19:22 |
| MS- | lac: Hi. (/me nips to read log) | 19:22 |
| zeth | pinner: yeah move on | 19:22 |
| pinner | Hello Michael! | 19:22 |
| zeth | Hi lac MS | 19:22 |
| pinner | TOPIC Fees | 19:22 |
| SimoneZinanni | hello all | 19:22 |
| zeth | Hi SimoneZinanni | 19:22 |
| [fpliger] | hi simone, hi laura | 19:23 |
| tartley | @_dboddie tweetable: nice. | 19:23 |
| pinner | We set the conf fees last time, is everyone happy with the proposed Tutorial fees? | 19:23 |
| conch | hello all - you all ignored me | 19:23 |
| tartley | yes I'm happy with fees. and HI CONCH! You're the GREATEST! | 19:23 |
| pinner | That is 85 GBP early Bird, 120 GBP Standard | 19:23 |
| contrary | No we didnt | 19:23 |
| tartley | Did the fees manage to cover the costs last year? | 19:23 |
| conch | Hi TARTLEY you're the greatest too! | 19:24 |
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| SimoneZinanni | btw I'm one of the PyCon Italy organizers | 19:24 |
| pinner | tartley: No, that is why they've been increased this year. | 19:24 |
| ghum | it would be loveable to have fee-hints in EUR | 19:24 |
| ghum | the amount is fine | 19:24 |
| tartley | @pinner: I see, thanks. | 19:24 |
| pinner | ghum: what exchange rate would we use? | 19:25 |
| conch | SimoneZinanni: Excellent, good to have you here! | 19:25 |
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| pinner | it's about 1.1:1, which shouldn't tax the intelligence of Python people | 19:25 |
| lac | simoneZianni: welcome and did you get the text I Sent about happy in pycon tre (this is laura creighton) | 19:26 |
| matti | Hi lac :) | 19:26 |
| conch | 1 Euro = 0.87457562 UK Pounds today | 19:26 |
| pinner | VOTE Tutorial fees to be 85 GBP early Bird/Concession, 120 GBP Standard | 19:26 |
| tartley | hey lac! | 19:26 |
| conch | +1 | 19:26 |
| SimoneZinanni | lac: actually I didn't received the text :( | 19:26 |
| ghum | +1 | 19:27 |
| ambv | +1 | 19:27 |
| moreati | +1 | 19:27 |
| SimoneZinanni | 85 British pounds = 96.8596005 Euros (according to Google) | 19:27 |
| paul_boddie | +0 | 19:27 |
| matti | +1 | 19:27 |
| lac | SimoneZinanni give me new adr to sent it, I must be too non-italian and gotr spammed. | 19:27 |
| tartley | +1 | 19:27 |
| fuzzyman | ABSTAIN | 19:27 |
| DazWorrall | being my first meeting I'll abstain from any votes, probably not qualified enough to have any influence :) | 19:28 |
| SimoneZinanni | lac: ok, il sent you a new email address | 19:28 |
| DazWorrall | ABSTAIN | 19:28 |
| [fpliger] | +0 | 19:28 |
| ianto | +0 | 19:28 |
| lac | ABStain ( iwas too late to see the arguements) | 19:28 |
| MS- | ABSTAIN | 19:28 |
| pinner | DazWorrall: but do you think it's attractive/bearble. As a newcomer your vote is not clouded by our previous experience | 19:29 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 19:29 |
| DazWorrall | I'd pay that price, yes. Seems good value | 19:30 |
| lac | DazWorall: newbies have a short shelf life. sometimes this is why we value them more. please say what you think? | 19:30 |
| zeth | Sorry missed the vote +1 | 19:30 |
| pinner | DECISION Tutorial fees to be 85 GBP early Bird/Concession, 120 GBP Standard | 19:30 |
| conch | zeth: too late!! | 19:30 |
| zeth | DazWorrall: if the only qualified people would speak, it would be a very quiet channel | 19:30 |
| paul_boddie | conch: It was so close, too! ;-) | 19:30 |
| matti | Do we have separate price for corporate? | 19:30 |
| zeth | yeah | 19:30 |
| ambv | How do you actually choose whether you're corporate or not? | 19:31 |
| pinner | memo to nick : yank Zeth's vote up 3 lines | 19:31 |
| matti | ambv: That is my point. | 19:31 |
| matti | ambv: I could make my company pay more. | 19:31 |
| moreati | ambv: if you pay by purchase order, then we ask for corporate rate | 19:31 |
| matti | Oh good :) | 19:31 |
| * matti smiles ;] | 19:31 | |
| * ianto looks at matti suspiciously | 19:32 | |
| ambv | moreati: is that the same as saying that if you want a VAT invoice you're required to pay the corporate rate? | 19:32 |
| tartley | ambv: I think one chooses by deciding if one want to show gratitude to your employer, by letting them share the limelight. maybe they paid your attendance, or paid you to do the work in the first place. | 19:32 |
| zeth | sorry I am on 3g nit of a lag | 19:32 |
| lac | also if you want a vat invoice | 19:32 |
| zeth | Corporate is 320 | 19:32 |
| moreati | ambv: yes, I believe | 19:32 |
| fuzzyman | really - I'd like a VAT invoice | 19:32 |
| pinner | ambv: No, you get an invoice anyway. It won't have VAt on it as we're not VAT-registered | 19:32 |
| fuzzyman | ah | 19:32 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 19:32 |
| tartley | ambv: oh I was confused. thought you were asking about the 'affiliation' field on submission, sorry ignore me. | 19:32 |
| lac | me I think the right division is ' are you paying your own way' | 19:33 |
| pinner | zeth: s/nit/bit/ | 19:33 |
| lac | vs 'is somebody else' | 19:33 |
| * matti stares at ianto back | 19:33 | |
| matti | Dammit. | 19:33 |
| zeth | typing over ssh+screen+lag is always a good combo | 19:33 |
| lac | with you paying your own way ok if you are self employed or part of a startup. | 19:33 |
| * matti hugs zeth | 19:33 | |
| pinner | TOPIC Website | 19:34 |
| lac | and where 'google is paying' is the other end. specifying this is impossible, alas | 19:34 |
| pinner | Thanks to Richard for improving the Navigation and many other things | 19:34 |
| * zeth smiles at matti | 19:34 | |
| pinner | Any comments on the website? | 19:35 |
| moreati | it looks great | 19:35 |
| pinner | I think we've lost the link to the wiki. | 19:35 |
| tartley | does websuite include submissions form? | 19:35 |
| paul_boddie | There are a few small things, but it's looking good. | 19:35 |
| moreati | tartley: it's the first quick link on the left | 19:36 |
| paul_boddie | The "key information" table gets pushed below the right sidebars on my smaller screen at home. Maybe a "clear" issue with the CSS. | 19:36 |
| pinner | paul_boddie: I think you'll find RJT responsive to suggestions. | 19:36 |
| conch | the link to the wiki works ok for me | 19:36 |
| tartley | sorry, I mean does discussion of website include discussion of submission form? | 19:36 |
| paul_boddie | pinner: Yes, we've been conversing already. | 19:36 |
| pinner | conch: I must have missed it | 19:36 |
| paul_boddie | I think it's important to look at the feedback from last year: http://wiki.europython.eu/EP2009Feedback | 19:37 |
| pinner | tartley: yes, but that's Zeth, not Richard | 19:37 |
| DazWorrall | the sponsors are still on the submissions form, should they be removed? | 19:37 |
| paul_boddie | We must not lose sight of the need to steer people to the action, especially during the conference. | 19:37 |
| DazWorrall | s/removed/hidden | 19:38 |
| pinner | paul_boddie: The fedeback has been studied closely, and many suggestions acted upon. | 19:38 |
| ambv | pinner: do any of the old sites work? the ones listed here http://www.europython.eu/about/ don't. event the 2009 one | 19:38 |
| moreati | If anyone has logged into the wiki and wondered why the layout changed, go to setting preferences and set your preferred them to EuroPython | 19:38 |
| pinner | DazWorral: yes old sponsors should be removed and new ones added as they step up | 19:38 |
| conch | It doesn't look so good an my Android phone .. | 19:39 |
| matti | conch: Hahah | 19:39 |
| matti | ;] | 19:39 |
| paul_boddie | moreati: The default should be EuroPython. Maybe that's a setting that needs updating in the Wiki config. | 19:39 |
| MS- | Regarding the contacts page - http://www.europython.eu/about/team/ - it may be worth reviewing those for correctness regarding this year. (I'm not up to speed on details) | 19:40 |
| conch | It's all there but there's rather a lot of whitespace | 19:40 |
| pinner | ambv: we have problems with ep2008/9 beacuse of a domain issue, should be resolve soon, all the EP's before CERN have probloesm, I think it may be an issue at Infrae | 19:40 |
| moreati | paul_boddie: It's likely because my account is older, it already had a previous theme set. | 19:40 |
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| pinner | lac: was it Infrae, is Faassen the one to contact? | 19:41 |
| ambv | IDEA maybe actually implement the subdomain model (2010.europython.org, 2009.europython.org, etc.) ? | 19:41 |
| ambv | europython.org redirects to the current one | 19:41 |
| fuzzyman | subdomains would be preferable to a proliferation of domains in my opinion | 19:41 |
| fuzzyman | but that is only an opinion ;-) | 19:41 |
| ambv | scratch .org, of course .eu | 19:41 |
| pinner | MS-: Richard id doing this (Contacts) some have disappeared from view :-) | 19:42 |
| MS- | pinner: cool. | 19:42 |
| zeth | Hello | 19:43 |
| zeth | I am back | 19:43 |
| contrary | can I stick my two-pen'orth in. Contacts - the partner programme needs to capture contacts for all partners, not just the ones attending the dinner. Can this be done? | 19:43 |
| paul_boddie | lac, pinner: It was Amaze who host previous.europython.org. | 19:43 |
| pinner | DECISION Look at Implementing subdomain model, eg [2008|2009|2009|2010|2011].europython.eu | 19:44 |
| tartley | Is this a good point for submission form feedback? | 19:44 |
| MS- | One of the issues I have with the wiki is the fact that clicking on the europython logo takes you back to http://wiki.europython.eu/EuroPython rather than to http://www.europython.eu/ (which is what I expect) | 19:44 |
| MS- | I may be alone in that | 19:44 |
| ambv | MS-: you're not | 19:44 |
| tartley | zeth: welcome back | 19:44 |
| zeth | cheers | 19:45 |
| tartley | since no-one said 'no': submission form: | 19:45 |
| contrary | zeth: didnt realise there were that many tunnels in Bham | 19:45 |
| pinner | contary: it's been done on the registration form | 19:45 |
| contrary | pinner: thanks | 19:45 |
| zeth | I went away from home today | 19:45 |
| conch | click on EuroPython below the logo in the wiki and you go to a search too | 19:45 |
| zeth | to work in funny place | 19:45 |
| zeth | so more than one bus | 19:45 |
| tartley | I'm delighted it remembered my photo, but text says I can download and resubmit. What happens if I don't? Does it forget my old photo? | 19:45 |
| zeth | yes | 19:46 |
| zeth | but people have suggested ways of fixing it | 19:46 |
| tartley | shouldn't re-use my old- oh | 19:46 |
| zeth | I couldn't figure out how to load the old photo in sensible way | 19:46 |
| zeth | but I will try harder | 19:46 |
| matti | Dammit. | 19:46 |
| tartley | also, it only displays thumbnail,. so if i do download and resubmit, will it overwrite my old full size photo with a thumbnail? | 19:46 |
| pinner | Without a vote, but I think we have another | 19:46 |
| matti | Sorry folks. I have go do on a meeting at work. | 19:46 |
| matti | ;/ | 19:46 |
| tartley | matti: bye! | 19:46 |
| zeth | matti: bye | 19:46 |
| pinner | DECISION wiki logo to link back to europython.eu | 19:46 |
| matti | Canadian folks have meeting and I need to join. | 19:47 |
| matti | I'll be back in 30 min... | 19:47 |
| conch | matti: bye! | 19:47 |
| * matti hugs * | 19:47 | |
| * pinner waves matti 'bye for now' | 19:47 | |
| tartley | finally: record permission. Wasn't this mandatory last year, to simplify things for us? Is it a deliberate choice to change that this year? | 19:48 |
| pinner | TOPIC wiki | 19:48 |
| tartley | oh | 19:48 |
| pinner | paul_boddie: can we confirm you as wikimaster ? | 19:48 |
| zeth | my laptop only has 20 mins left of battery | 19:48 |
| conch | Publicity goes nowhere | 19:48 |
| zeth | tartley: probably not deliberate, probably just the idiot doing the Django stuff | 19:48 |
| fuzzyman | tartley: goood point | 19:48 |
| fuzzyman | I would prefer a note on the talk submission form that talks may be recorded unless the speaker specifically objects | 19:49 |
| fuzzyman | i.e. allow opt out but default to opt in | 19:49 |
| zeth | with a ticked checkbox or some other thing? | 19:49 |
| paul_boddie | pinner: Yes, I'm doing the Wiki stuff, although I don't seem to be able to remember any login details for behind-the-scenes stuff. | 19:50 |
| MS- | fuzzyman: +1 | 19:50 |
| zeth | oh just a note? | 19:50 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: I think that is exactly what we did last year | 19:50 |
| MS- | (I know not voting, but can view that as strong agreement) | 19:50 |
| fuzzyman | in that case it was fine :-) | 19:50 |
| zeth | paul_boddie: I can give you a hand after the meeting | 19:50 |
| pinner | paul_boddie: I'll mail them to you | 19:50 |
| fuzzyman | I thought it was a hassle last year - but that may just have been the discussion not the actual solution... | 19:50 |
| MS- | I had 1 person object last year to the videos after they'd been uploaded | 19:50 |
| MS- | That person was someone giving a lightning talk | 19:50 |
| MS- | No one who gave a formal talk objected | 19:51 |
| paul_boddie | We get this permission to record stuff every year. <sigh> | 19:51 |
| tartley | because they were shy? or what? | 19:51 |
| zeth | I will change it to just a note, and if they want to opt out they can email us? | 19:51 |
| MS- | tartley: I didn't query too much - I figured if they cared enough to ask, I should respect their wishes | 19:51 |
| MS- | I think they found themselves too embarassed tbh | 19:51 |
| conch | Premier Inn link goes nowhere | 19:51 |
| pinner | MS-: that person was an unreasonable nit picker, as I remember | 19:52 |
| MS- | but then no-one likes to see themselves in video in my experience | 19:52 |
| MS- | pinner: It happens | 19:52 |
| moreati | zeth: note+email to decline sounds good | 19:52 |
| paul_boddie | Actually, there's a whole area of discussion around this, especially related to various advice given on diversity issues, which I'm sure Steve Holden will be able to comment on (as PSF top dog). | 19:52 |
| conch | old socials | 19:52 |
| ambv | zeth: note+email +1 | 19:53 |
| paul_boddie | OK, I've submitted two fake talks for Zeth to put under the microscope. | 19:53 |
| zeth | cool | 19:53 |
| MS- | If we say to speakers "Talks will be recorded and made public unless you object", we're covered, since we're charging for entrance. | 19:53 |
| MS- | (FWIW) | 19:53 |
| tartley | soudns good to me too | 19:53 |
| pinner | conch: ther should not be a hotel page on the wiki, ther is one on europython.eu and we don't want to maintain two versions | 19:53 |
| conch | non-Python link goes nowhere | 19:54 |
| zeth | maybe we should just record all talks full stop | 19:54 |
| zeth | don't give an opt out | 19:54 |
| MS- | zeth: No, that's unfair IMO | 19:54 |
| zeth | if you don't wwant to be recoreded, stay in your bedroom | 19:54 |
| pinner | VOTE Speaker to be informed "Talks will be recorded and made public unless you object formally" Formally to mena an email or signed form | 19:55 |
| zeth | weeks late when we actually edit and publish the stuff, can we be sure that we have kept all the opt-outs? | 19:55 |
| ghum | zeth: there are different levels of "being recorded". And it may be uncomfortable for people to be recorded and broadcasted WITHOUT correct makeup / sound etc. | 19:55 |
| tartley | welll. um. but. I can see we don't want to discourage the more shy speakers. | 19:55 |
| ambv | zeth: that's a peculiar thing to say from someone this serious about privacy | 19:55 |
| tartley | But speaking is voluntary. I don't think privacy comes into it. | 19:56 |
| ghum | I agree with pinner, give an opt out | 19:56 |
| ghum | +1 | 19:56 |
| moreati | +1 | 19:56 |
| zeth | well I am just worried that we offer an opt-out, and then accidentally publish it anyway | 19:56 |
| MS- | +1 | 19:56 |
| conch | +1 | 19:56 |
| ambv | +1 | 19:56 |
| tartley | -1 | 19:56 |
| ghum | zeth: if somebody opts out, just ask him to check for "recording is ofline" | 19:56 |
| moreati | zeth: if that happens we can delete that video | 19:56 |
| tartley | the web remembers | 19:57 |
| zeth | moreati: okay | 19:57 |
| fuzzyman | +1 | 19:57 |
| zeth | I am in warm bus now, but battery will go in about 10 mins | 19:57 |
| pinner | zeth: we can tell them to object on the wiki, so we have an easily-accessible record in a well-defined place (eg Talks Recording) | 19:57 |
| MS- | tartley: When it comes to python videos people tend to link rather than reupload | 19:57 |
| zeth | then I will be home probably 20 mins after that | 19:57 |
| paul_boddie | And can we sort the licensing out, too? And also with respect to the photo gallery. | 19:57 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 19:57 |
| tartley | I'm re-uploading YOURS just to prove a point. :-) | 19:57 |
| MS- | tartley: heh | 19:58 |
| lac | >I need to go now, teach a class across the street at 19.00 (in 2 minutes) | 19:58 |
| MS- | paul_boddie: Agreed | 19:58 |
| conch | lac: Byeeee | 19:58 |
| zeth | Have a nice night lac | 19:58 |
| lac | thursdays are not good for me for meetings, sorry. | 19:58 |
| pinner | DECISION Speakers need to opt out of Recording/Broadcasting "Talks will be recorded and made public unless you object | 19:58 |
| ambv | OK, I'll have to run in 5 minutes or so | 19:58 |
| zeth | this time is terrible for me | 19:58 |
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| MS- | Licenses which we ought to have: | 19:58 |
| MS- | Slides, Audio, Video | 19:58 |
| ambv | pinner: remember about my music concert idea from last year? | 19:59 |
| fuzzyman | we could adopt a default license along with the submission | 19:59 |
| MS- | That way people know what they're opting in/out from | 19:59 |
| MS- | fuzzyman: agreed | 19:59 |
| zeth | maybe they just give us the right to do anything with it | 19:59 |
| pinner | MS-: can you make a summary of what you think is necessary, and put it on the wiki? | 19:59 |
| fuzzyman | by providing slides or other material the submitter asserts they have the rights to distribute this material and grants a license to the organisers to redistribute | 19:59 |
| MS- | Sure | 19:59 |
| zeth | yeah good idea | 19:59 |
| _dboddie | MS-: Something CC would be nice. | 19:59 |
| pinner | MS-: Thanks | 19:59 |
| MS- | _dboddie: Indeed, simplifies alot of things for everyone | 20:00 |
| zeth | Lets just delegate this to someone and move on | 20:00 |
| paul_boddie | And photos. What with the photo gallery stuff last year - where it was decided not to use Flickr because they are "evil" - everything was just published "as is". | 20:00 |
| MS- | I'll do that before next meeting | 20:00 |
| pinner | TOPIC Publicity | 20:00 |
| zeth | We have this http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity/Announcement | 20:01 |
| pinner | We need someone to coordinate publicity, urgently (managed to avoid the spli infinitive ;-) | 20:01 |
| zeth | I am willing to co-ordinate if I can have someone to co-ordinate | 20:01 |
| pinner | zeth: that was good, thanks, but who is going to maintain it and push it out? | 20:02 |
| zeth | how complicated are you thinking the publicity should be | 20:02 |
| paul_boddie | I suggested to Richard that we reanimate http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2007/PublicRelations from earlier years. | 20:02 |
| zeth | I am able to co-ordinate the same kind of things we did before | 20:02 |
| zeth | but it would be nice to have other people to try to do new stuff | 20:02 |
| zeth | laptop battery critically low | 20:02 |
| zeth | free feel to appoint someone else | 20:02 |
| pinner | zeth: each volunteer undertaking to push out to their own list worked well last year, let's start by list ing those people/lists | 20:03 |
| zeth | yeah, so I change my mind, one of the newer people should be able to have a go | 20:03 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: I think you are at PyCon again this year, can you make some waves there? | 20:03 |
| zeth | have we got any florentines here? | 20:03 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: will do what I can | 20:03 |
| fuzzyman | will hopefully do a lightning talk and mention europython | 20:04 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: Thanks. | 20:04 |
| tartley | I'll certainly do an announcement at london python and london geek meets | 20:04 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: let me know what I'm allowed to say - whether I can pimp out the invited and keynote speakers for example | 20:04 |
| zeth | Okay everyone, have a nice week. My power is about to give out | 20:04 |
| pinner | tartley: make sure you can drive the projector this time ;-) | 20:04 |
| conch | Bye Zeth | 20:04 |
| tartley | pinner: heh. | 20:05 |
| zeth | (if anyone wants to say anything to me, do it now) | 20:05 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: bye | 20:05 |
| ambv | bye zeth | 20:05 |
| DazWorrall | bye zeth. I'll have a go with that imagefield :) | 20:05 |
| tartley | zeth: I have always loved you | 20:05 |
| ambv | I'm leaving too | 20:05 |
| pinner | zeth: bye | 20:05 |
| fuzzyman | ambv: bye | 20:05 |
| ambv | pinner: I'll be bugging you for details about the music concert | 20:05 |
| conch | ambv: bye | 20:05 |
| ambv | I want to organize this | 20:05 |
| zeth | I'll be here until it shutsdown, ubuntu power management thing is unpredicable | 20:05 |
| ambv | no place better than a music school | 20:05 |
| ambv | bye bye! | 20:05 |
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| pinner | ambv: yes, thanks! | 20:05 |
| zeth | no thats it | 20:05 |
| zeth | night | 20:05 |
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| pinner | G'night, Zeth | 20:06 |
| HippySurfer | Have I just missed everything? | 20:06 |
| _dboddie | No, it's just Zeth leaving. | 20:07 |
| HippySurfer | OK | 20:07 |
| pinner | OK we've been here an hour, so lets deal with Partners' Programme, then skip items up to Next meeting, if everyone's happy with that | 20:08 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 20:08 |
| pinner | HippySurfer: who goes there? | 20:08 |
| contrary | Last year we "gathered" about four/five. This year we would like to meet more | 20:08 |
| pinner | TOPIC Partners' programme | 20:08 |
| contrary | We are looking for ideas - preferably accessible, near to conference, and cheap | 20:09 |
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| HippySurfer | It is Richard Taylor | 20:10 |
| pinner | This year we must get more people and endeavour to not be seen as sexist, although we may have delegates who may be intent on seeing this in everything | 20:10 |
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| pinner | HippySurfer: though you must be Cornish or Australian | 20:10 |
| conch | Hi Darren! | 20:10 |
| contrary | 400 delegates - did they all come alone? | 20:10 |
| paul_boddie | Maybe look at the way FOSDEM (http://fosdem.org/2010/bring-your-partner) does it? | 20:11 |
| dazworrall_ | g2g guys, will follow up on logs later. bye! | 20:11 |
| pinner | contrary, yes, 446 in fact | 20:11 |
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| dazworrall_ | connection is flaking out anyway :) | 20:11 |
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| tartley | my wife hasn't ever come to a conference with me, unless we were both attending the same conference. And I have never gone to any of hers, unless I was attending., | 20:11 |
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| paul_boddie | Although FOSDEM seems to frame the concept similarly. | 20:11 |
| contrary | Looks good to me | 20:12 |
| conch | I'm not sure we'll "hire professional guides"?! | 20:12 |
| paul_boddie | No, I was just pointing out the general vibe of the thing. Looks nice, though. :-) | 20:12 |
| paul_boddie | "What do you mean you're not giving your talk. Get off that coach now!" ;-) | 20:13 |
| contrary | There are blue badge guides in Brum but I think they are expensive. We managed to do a couple of interesting visits last year but getting in touch with partners was difficlut | 20:13 |
| conch | I think the "Bring Your Partner" line is good | 20:14 |
| contrary | OK. We volunteer to draft a programme to go on wiki | 20:14 |
| HippySurfer | If someone and write something about the programme I could put it on the website and put a prominant link to it. Then point people to a wiki page where they can add contact details for partners. | 20:14 |
| fuzzyman | brb - bladder pressure threshold exceeded and rising - my sincere apologies | 20:14 |
| conch | Maybe that tag could be on the Registration page or there-abouts | 20:14 |
| contrary | Will do something. | 20:15 |
| pinner | contary: I think that what you 3 did last year was fine, the problem is in a) persuading the geeks to tell their partners, b) reaching the partners from there. Hopefully if we solve a), we get b) | 20:15 |
| contrary | I am happy to publish a mobile number that will only be active during the conference (free Orange sim). That might help | 20:16 |
| tartley | Do we have to AIM to attract partners? Or is the goal to entertain whatever partners we happen to get? | 20:16 |
| contrary | Last year we had a plan, but we changed it to suit the partners that turned up when necessary | 20:17 |
| conch | In some cases it's an incentive for people to come | 20:17 |
| tartley | I see. | 20:17 |
| HippySurfer | If we make it "partner friendly" we should attract more delegates, especially from abroad. | 20:17 |
| pinner | tartley: I think that aiming to get partners involved has to be good for the community and the conference | 20:18 |
| conch | "Come to Brum, see the sights, we'll take you round" | 20:18 |
| contrary | And there is a lot to see | 20:18 |
| pinner | OK, I think we have some consensus, | 20:19 |
| tartley | thanks for the explains | 20:19 |
| contrary | Now you know why I was hovering!! | 20:19 |
| pinner | DECISION contrary to draft Partners Programme page for HippySurfer to put on site | 20:20 |
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| contrary | daft question - how do i get copy to Happy surfer | 20:20 |
| HippySurfer | OK: rjt-pyconuk AT thegrindstone.me.uk | 20:20 |
| fuzzyman | back | 20:20 |
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| conch | fuzzyman: relieved? | 20:21 |
| HippySurfer | plain text or RestructuredText is good | 20:21 |
| conch | contrary: go for plain text | 20:21 |
| fuzzyman | very relieved :-) | 20:21 |
| pinner | OK, is thet any other business people want to raise before we move to Next Meeting ? | 20:21 |
| conch | fuzzyman: good (smile!) | 20:21 |
| pinner | s/thet/there/ | 20:21 |
| HippySurfer | nope | 20:21 |
| moreati | no | 20:22 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next Meeting | 20:22 |
| pinner | proposal: next meeting Thursday 25th february, 1700 GMT, 1800 CET | 20:22 |
| moreati | not thursday 18th, when EEB finishes | 20:23 |
| moreati | ? | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | I'm afraid I will be at PyCon on the 25th | 20:23 |
| conch | what's EEB | 20:23 |
| pinner | I think that's soon enough at this stage | 20:23 |
| moreati | conch: extra early bird | 20:24 |
| fuzzyman | although that is a sprint day so it is not impossible I will be able to participate | 20:24 |
| conch | fuzzyman: that's no excuse | 20:24 |
| pinner | moreati: EEB? | 20:24 |
| moreati | pinner: extra early bird | 20:24 |
| conch | conch: it will be lunch-time | 20:24 |
| conch | fuzzyman: it will be lunch-time | 20:24 |
| ghum | mese okay with 25th february | 20:24 |
| fuzzyman | conch: cool :-) | 20:25 |
| moreati | okay, we always have the mailing list as a fall back | 20:25 |
| pinner | OK, so | 20:26 |
| conch | I'm ok for the 25th | 20:26 |
| pinner | DECISION next meeting Thursday 25th February, 1700 GMT, 1800 CET | 20:26 |
| contrary | Good night all | 20:26 |
| ghum | fine! | 20:26 |
| conch | contrary: G'night | 20:26 |
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| fuzzyman | g'night all | 20:27 |
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| pinner | for you infomation, I've just checked and we have 34 delegates registered currently - I think the fastest start we have had, maybe our publicity is OK after all. | 20:27 |
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| HippySurfer | One of those was me! - OK, goodnight everyone. | 20:27 |
| moreati | pinner: damn, that's good for ~24 hours | 20:28 |
| conch | q/conch leaves, good bye | 20:28 |
| pinner | moreati: not bad old chap | 20:28 |
| moreati | ah, conch is quentin | 20:28 |
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| palla | g'night all | 20:28 |
| pinner | moreati: did you put the budget up on ep-admin? You can gather I haven't looked. | 20:29 |
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| pinner | moreati: I have some updated figures | 20:29 |
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| pinner | palla: good night, wee you next time | 20:29 |
| moreati | pinner: not yet, feel free to edit and overwite. I will take your updates, before making any changes. | 20:29 |
| SimoneZinanni | Bye, see you next time! | 20:30 |
| * pinner waves to SimoneZinanni | 20:30 | |
| * pinner is leaving, Goodnight everyone! | 20:31 | |
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| matti | What have I missed? | 21:31 |
| _dboddie | We assigned all the tasks to you. You're Mr EuroPython. | 21:32 |
| matti | Good. | 21:32 |
| _dboddie | Captain EuroPython! | 21:32 |
| matti | Where is the list, so I can start arraning them. | 21:32 |
| matti | ;] | 21:33 |
| matti | _dboddie: Do I have any special abilities/super powers? | 21:33 |
| _dboddie | Hmm. What would Captain EP have...? | 21:34 |
| _dboddie | Lightning talk abilities. | 21:34 |
| _dboddie | Projector skills. | 21:34 |
| _dboddie | Super Wi-Fi sense. | 21:34 |
| matti | Anything I can use to pick up hot geek chicks? | 21:35 |
| _dboddie | It depends on your costume, I think. | 21:35 |
| matti | Haha | 21:35 |
| matti | _dboddie++ | 21:35 |
| matti | ;] | 21:35 |
| matti | Why I can't work with people like you _dboddie ;] | 21:36 |
| _dboddie | Maybe ask the T-shirt designers to come up with something. | 21:36 |
| _dboddie | I guess you're just unlucky. :-p | 21:36 |
| matti | Yeah, I guess so. | 21:36 |
| matti | :< | 21:36 |
| _dboddie | But as your alter-ego, Captain EuroPython, your luck is sure to change. | 21:37 |
| matti | Hm. | 21:37 |
| * _dboddie reads "Endless Pants Design" and realises that he might be straying a bit too far from "the safe Web". | 21:38 | |
| _dboddie | http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/us/2894_3113.htm | 21:38 |
| matti | I need to work on some catch-phrases then. | 21:38 |
| matti | "May the Force be with you" | 21:38 |
| matti | Oh dammit. | 21:38 |
| matti | Already taken. | 21:38 |
| matti | :< | 21:38 |
| matti | Uh. | 21:39 |
| matti | I had crazy idea today. | 21:40 |
| _dboddie | Let me be the judge of its craziness. | 21:41 |
| matti | About writing something for Firefox, which would use BitTorrent alike P2P semantics for HTTP. | 21:41 |
| matti | Imagine... | 21:41 |
| _dboddie | Distributed HTTP. | 21:41 |
| matti | DHT mesh storing information who is closest to you and is browsing same page - based on page ID or something. | 21:42 |
| _dboddie | You would have to be a bit careful about privacy. | 21:42 |
| matti | And then connecting to other people in order to fetch data asynchronously. | 21:42 |
| matti | ;D | 21:42 |
| matti | Who needs privacy! | 21:43 |
| matti | Google knows everything anyway. | 21:43 |
| matti | ;d | 21:43 |
| matti | But... | 21:43 |
| matti | Such thing would be quite cool. | 21:43 |
| _dboddie | Would be nice over wireless. | 21:43 |
| _dboddie | If you had multiple connections. | 21:44 |
| matti | Hm. | 21:44 |
| _dboddie | The wireless mesh. | 21:44 |
| _dboddie | A rather disturbing coincidence: http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/us/11711.htm | 21:45 |
| _dboddie | "ER10? - It?s ?meshmerizing?!" | 21:45 |
| matti | Hahha | 21:45 |
| _dboddie | I've always wondered what an embellishing machine was. | 21:45 |
| _dboddie | I thought it was a machine that added stuff to excuses in order to make them sound less convincing. | 21:46 |
| _dboddie | Hmm. Should really go home. This ice coffee is no longer having the desired effect. | 21:46 |
| matti | Poor thing ;/ | 21:47 |
| matti | ;] | 21:47 |
| _dboddie | Have a good evening, matti. | 21:47 |
| matti | You too _dboddie | 21:47 |
| matti | ;] | 21:47 |
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