IRC log of #europython for Thursday, 2010-01-28

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mattiambv: *hug*13:06
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ambvco tam na wyspach?13:12
mattiNic.13:12
mattiSzukam pracy nowej.13:12
mattiRIM doprowadza mnie do histerii.13:13
matti18 do 20 godz. pracy.13:13
mattiDo tego ciagle zaproszenia na meeting o 23 w wieczor.13:13
mattiItp.13:13
mattiMam dosc.13:13
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mattiHi fuzzyman16:35
fuzzymanHi16:35
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conchHi!19:00
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conchHello John19:01
pinnerHello!19:02
pinnerWh is here?19:02
pinnerWho is here?19:02
conchMe Quentin19:02
fuzzymanHere19:03
fuzzymanhello john and Quentin19:03
fuzzymanmy internet connection has been ropey - so my apologies if I disappear19:03
fuzzymanhopefully won't happen19:03
fuzzymantartley sends his apologies19:03
fuzzymanhe can't escape work19:03
* pinner may need to disappear at intervals for other reasons19:03
fuzzymanbut he says he is available to do *lots* of work this year so we can assign lots of things to him19:03
fuzzymanoh yes, condolences19:04
conchexcellent!19:04
fuzzymandid I miss a phone meeting I was supposed to join in, or is that this saturday?19:04
fuzzymanmy apologies if I missed it19:04
conchI wasn't aware of a phone meeting19:04
pinnerfuzzyman: a good thing would be for tartley to work on the talk submissions again,19:04
pinnerwe did not have a hoen meeting: just wanted to know if you were available if need be (last Saturday)19:05
fuzzymanI am communicating with tartley via twitter19:05
fuzzymanI have asked him if he is ok with that19:05
fuzzymanglad I didn't miss it19:05
fuzzymanare we using the same IRC protocol as last year19:06
fuzzymanthe PRESENT business?19:06
conch.. but can we remember what the full protocol is?19:06
fuzzymanheh19:07
fuzzymanthere was a vote start and end19:07
fuzzymanbut I don't remember the details19:07
conchyou mean present, vote, start and end19:07
pinnersame protocol as last year, I think I remember the protocol, but it should be on the wiki19:08
pinnerShall we go?19:08
pinner#startmeeting19:08
pinnerPRESENT19:08
fuzzymanPRESENT19:08
conchPRESENT19:08
conchthen it's apologies19:09
conch.. and then it's TOPIC19:09
fuzzymanJonathan Hartley sends his apologies19:09
conchand there's DECISION, ACTION, VOTE, ENDVOTE, IDEA, AGREED19:10
pinnerso that was19:10
pinnerTOPIC Apologies19:11
pinnerapologies from tartley19:11
concheveryone can use PRESENT APOLOGIES IDEA, the chairman gets to use everything else..19:11
fuzzymanwhat are acceptable votes - yes and no19:11
fuzzymanor anything that makes intention clear?19:11
conch+/-119:12
pinnerconch: also +1,0,-1 in voting19:12
pinnerTOPIC Dates19:12
fuzzymanah yes19:12
fuzzymanthanks19:12
conchThe wiki says nothing about 0 (smile!)19:12
pinnerI assume we are all away of the dates:19:12
pinnerConfrence 19-22 July19:12
fuzzymanyes19:12
pinnerTutorials 17,18 July19:13
conchrather than 17-2419:13
pinnerSprints 23,24 July19:13
conchyes19:13
pinnerLanguage summit 18 July19:13
pinnerOK?19:13
mattiOh dear.19:13
mattiI have meeting at work right now.19:13
matti;/19:14
pinnerhi matti!19:14
mattiHi pinner :)19:14
fuzzymanok19:14
fuzzymanHi matti19:14
fuzzymanany word from Laura by the way19:14
fuzzyman?19:14
mattipinner: Let me know if and how I can help this year. But I have to go ;/19:14
mattiHi fuzzyman :))19:14
* matti cries and blames his employer.19:14
pinnermatti: will do, let us know how you can help. Thanks19:14
conchHi matti, of course you can help!19:15
pinnerVOTE to accept above dates19:15
conch+119:15
pinner+119:15
fuzzyman+119:16
matticonch, pinner: You have to let me know what is in need of being done :)19:16
pinnerfuzzyman: not voting?19:16
mattiRight folks, later.19:16
mattimatti: +!19:16
mattiOps.19:16
mattimatti: +119:16
pinnerENDVOTE19:16
fuzzymanpinner: I voted +1 did you not see19:16
fuzzymanor was I just slow?19:16
pinnerfuzzyman: we crossed19:17
fuzzymanok19:17
pinnerTOPIC Fees19:17
fuzzymanit would be nice if we could avoid raising the fee19:17
pinner Proposed: all Conference Delegate fees to be increased by £25 from EP200919:17
fuzzymanif it is needed then I will support it19:17
fuzzymanbut there are already people who could not afford it last year19:18
pinnerreason - Conference is 4 days, not 319:18
fuzzymanbut I guess people will complain whatever the cost19:18
fuzzymanok19:18
conchIt's probably needed, maybe less safety net from psf19:18
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pinnerTutorial fees to be determined19:18
conchHi Alex!19:18
fuzzymanI don't think we will have a problem with support from the PSF19:18
fuzzymanHi Alex19:18
pinnerhello Alex19:18
moreatihi all, sorry I'm late19:19
conchmoreati: we've only just started...19:19
pinnerfees would be: £120 for extra early bird, Accepted Speaker, Concession19:19
moreatiPRESENT19:19
pinner£ 145 early Bird19:19
pinner£ 215 Standard19:20
pinner£ 225 on Door19:20
moreatifine with me19:20
pinner£ 320 Corporate19:20
conchand with me19:20
pinneris taht right, Alex?19:20
fuzzymanstill cheaper than PyCon19:20
fuzzymanbut not as much of a bargain as it used to be... :-)19:20
pinnerregaitration to start week commencing 8th February19:21
moreatiwe're doing an extra day, it's the same/day as last year or slightly better19:21
pinnerExtra early Bird to be available for one week only19:21
fuzzymanthe extra day will cost me an extra days lost work19:21
fuzzyman:-)19:21
fuzzymanthat makes it *more* expensive ;-)19:21
moreatipinner: one week only? We were discussing two as I recall.19:22
pinnerfuzzyman : the same for us all, not to mention the planning days beforehand19:22
fuzzymanright19:22
fuzzymansure19:22
fuzzymanyou put a lot more time in than me, that is for sure19:22
pinnermoreati: you're right, but we could take a vote19:23
fuzzymanI have no opinion on the matter19:23
fuzzymanwhat is the purpose of extra early bird?19:23
conchto get the ball rolling19:24
moreatiIf it's a week, we need to let mpeople know that, starting this weekend. So they're chomping at the bit, come 8 Feb, but I'm okay with 1 week19:24
pinnerfuzzyman: to reward people you book extra early (and who are taking a risk) and who give us the funds for deposits19:24
conchwe need to get some funds up front19:24
moreatiEEB = I don't know what will be on, cause it's not been announced, but I'm soure it wil be good so I'll book really early and get a great price. More risk/faith, less money19:25
pinnerVOTE Registration to start w/c 8th February, Extra Early Bird rate to be available for one week only19:25
moreati+119:25
fuzzymanabstain19:25
conch+119:25
pinnervote against if you want EEB to be available for two weeks19:25
conchabstain = 0?19:26
moreaticonch: yes-ish19:26
fuzzymano19:26
pinnerconch: I think so19:26
fuzzyman019:26
fuzzymanO19:26
moreatizeth: ping19:26
pinner+119:26
pinnerENDVOTE19:27
fuzzymanTartley has responded that he is happy to repeat what he did last year with talk submissions by the way. (Sorry if this is out of place. Can repost at the right time)19:28
pinnerconclusion: accepted, but only fuzzily. There aren't enough people here19:28
pinnerfuzzyman: thanks to you and Tartley19:28
pinnerTOPIC Volunteers etc19:29
pinnerwe need a webmaster and team19:29
pinnerI nominate Richard Taylor, if he can do it19:30
pinnerThen we need a team for him19:30
moreatipinner: I volunteer to be team.19:30
fuzzymanZeth has also helped in previous years19:30
pinnerAlso we need a wikimaster and team19:30
fuzzymanmaybe we can post these needs to the mailing list19:30
pinnerOK, so for the website we have zeth, moreati and pinner on team and rjt webmaster19:31
pinnerfuzzyman: good idea19:31
pinnerDECISION: Request for volunteers for web and wiki teams to be posted to ep-improve19:32
pinnerI hope that paulboddie will be wikimaster19:32
pinnerTOPIC Partners Programme19:33
fuzzymanwas the programme a success last year?19:33
fuzzymanI didn't hear much about it19:34
pinnerPartners Programme team are currently Mary. Jutte and Sheila19:34
pinnerThey are working on a progarmme and trying to amke it non-sexist after the comments last year19:34
moreatiMy vague impression, those who went in it liked it. Some men didn't go on it, because it was perceived women only.19:34
pinnerSo have we any male partners to join them in th planning\/19:35
moreatiDon't be singlist!19:35
pinnerOn male went shopping, I think19:35
pinnerOn >> One19:35
moreatiAnyway, we need to be careful about the wording we use, and to make it clear that the programme is open to anyone whos been dragged along.19:36
pinnerI'm sure that any ideas for the PP would be welcome19:37
moreatiThere was some talk of calling it the non-geek programme or python refugee programme IIRC19:37
pinnerHow about Ms fuzzyman and Ms tartley?19:37
fuzzymanI don't think my wife will come I'm afraid19:37
fuzzymanand Ms Tartley is a programmer19:38
fuzzymanshe came to your Python tutorial last year IIRC19:38
pinnerfuzzyman: why won't the Other Delia come, is it something we're doing wrong? If so we need to know19:39
pinnerTOPIC Streams, etc19:40
fuzzymanpinner: I will ask her19:40
pinnerProposed Conference is 4 days with 4 streams ( last year was 3/6 )19:41
fuzzymanso less *number* of talks overall19:41
fuzzymanbut less overlap on each day19:41
pinneralso talks to be scheduled at one hour intervals regardless of length19:41
fuzzymanthat sounds good to me19:41
fuzzymanso either two 30 mins with no break or a 45 mins one with 15 mins break?19:42
pinnerand talks to be mainly 45 minutes, or 3019:42
fuzzymandon't we *need* to schedule a break between 30 minute talks?19:42
pinnerthe idea is to have bigger breaks to give less disruption at start of talks19:43
conchand to enable people to network19:43
pinnerfuzzyman: so no to 2 x 30 minutes in one hour slot19:43
fuzzymanso one 30 minute talk in an hour slot19:43
fuzzymanso effectively everyone gets time for a 45 minute talk19:43
fuzzymanand whether they use it or not is up to them!19:43
fuzzymanI like it19:43
pinnerfuzzyman: yes19:43
fuzzymanit means fitting less talks in19:43
fuzzymanbut much more relaxed19:44
fuzzymanless running around between talks and more talking between talks19:44
pinnerlast yera we had too many talks, so that's OK19:44
fuzzymanyes - I agree19:44
fuzzymanwe can afford to reject some talks19:44
pinnerVOTE Talks to be 45 or 30 minutes scheduled at 60 minute intervals19:45
fuzzymaneven so with effectively 16 days of talks we have room for a lot19:45
fuzzyman+119:45
pinner+119:45
conch+119:45
moreati+119:45
pinnerENDVOTE19:45
pinnerDECISION Talks to be 45 or 30 minutes scheduled at 60 minute intervals19:45
pinnerProposed: Tutorials to be two days, with 4 streams, each tutorial to be a half- or full-day19:46
pinnerthen we'll see what proposls we'll get19:47
fuzzymanok19:47
fuzzymandid we turn any tutorial proposals down last year?19:48
pinnerI've just woken up Zet, he should be joining us..19:48
zethHi all19:48
conchhi zeth19:48
pinnerfuzzyman: we turned down one from Luke Leighton, IIRC, he had proposed too many19:49
pinnerHello Zeth!19:49
fuzzymanok19:49
fuzzymanHi Zeth19:49
zethHi sorry to be late, have been in house renovating mode this week and am a little behind emails19:49
zethI started on the talk submissions system at the weekend19:50
zeththere doesn't seem too much to do, depending on what changes we want19:50
pinnerzeth: We've decided to start Registration w/c/ 8th Feb, we need talk Submission around the same time, OK?19:50
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zethCool19:50
pinnerhello lukas!19:51
zethAre we keeping registration the same?19:51
zethOr are we going to try to link it in to the talks system?19:51
pinnerI think keep it the same, except if we had a bio last year we don't need it this year unless speakers want a new one19:51
pinnerzeth: sorry i was talking about Talks.19:52
pinnerAs it's so late, I want to keep registration the same as last year.19:52
zethCool19:52
pinnerThe dream of a system which we can use in fute, say in Italy, will ahve to wait19:53
zethThe one change I thought about was making them go through the django site first19:53
zeththen we send that data down the normal registration pipeline19:53
pinnerzeth; that will cut the number of bookings19:53
zethbecause then we can easily track speakers who have/haven't booked19:53
zethI don't mean that they know they are logging in19:53
zethbut that it links behind the scenes19:54
pinnerzeth: the orginal thinking, back in PyVon Uk 2008 days, was to make it as easy as possible to book, and get more peopl, and it worked19:54
moreatidefinately, every extra click cuts X % off our bookings19:55
zethFrom the delegate's perspective, what I am saying makes no difference at all19:55
pinnerzethL how?19:55
zethSo a delegate goes to the site and fills out a form which looks exactly the same as the current one19:56
moreatiah, you're saying they make a booking outside Django with the same system we have now. Behind thescenes their booking information is used to create a django account?19:56
zethyes19:56
moreatithen np from me19:56
pinnerzeth: let's talk this about this outside this meeting19:56
zethand for speakers who we have information for already, they can be emailed a link which semi-fills out the booking form already19:56
zethOK19:57
zethtalk later19:57
pinnerTOPIC Sprints19:57
pinnerI think this year we may have more19:57
pinnerWE're proposing to use a new venue, the Birmingham and Midland Institute19:58
pinnerIt was founded by Act of Parliament in , I think, 1857 to spread knowledge to the masses.19:59
zethhttp://www.bmi.org.uk/19:59
pinnerIt's been timed by Alex at 3mins 40secs stroll from the Conservatoire.20:00
pinnerYou can see it at www.bmi.org.uk20:00
pinnerWe're proposing that PyCon Uk Society join as an affiliated society, then we get 35% off room hire20:00
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pinnerAlso , it has a 260 seat theatre we can hire for overspill from the Conference20:01
fuzzymanif it's a good venue and joining saves us more than it costs20:01
fuzzymanthen why not20:01
zethNice20:01
fuzzymanpinner: overspill?20:01
moreatiBMI is much easier to reach from the Conservatoire than the remote site last year. It's much nearer, and there are fewer turns to make20:02
zethI was just about to suggest that20:02
pinnerjoining will cost us £10, and we'll save maybe a hundre or two.20:02
zeth"Several independent societies are affiliated to the BMI, using its premises for their meetings and activities. These societies include the Birmingham Philatelic Society, Moseley United Nations Association, Institute Ramblers, Birmingham and Warwickshire Archaeological Society, Midland Painting Group, Midland Spaceflight Society, Workers Educational Association, Dickens Fellowship, British Russian Society, Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy20:02
zethSpaceflight society!20:02
* paul_boddie had forgotten the meeting.20:02
fuzzymanpinner: are you proposing having part of the conference there too?20:03
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zethHey paul_boddie, happy new year!20:03
pinnerzeth: as a Bham Uni person you should know about their space progarmme!20:03
pinnerfuzzyman: if we need the space, yes20:03
zethI have heard of this club (BMI) before20:03
pinnerpboddie: Hi, hope you're well!20:03
zethmaybe I will join so I can hide in the members room during the conference :-)20:03
* paul_boddie read British Russian Society as the Black Russian Society.20:04
paul_boddiezeth, pinner: Hello! Happy New Year!20:04
pinnerpboddie: in your absence, you were nominated as wikimaster, with a team to help. is that OK?20:04
paul_boddiepinner: Yes, I can wrangle the Wiki again.20:04
pinnerpaul_boddie: as in Sobranie?20:04
pinnerpaul_boddie: thanks20:05
pinnerDECISION Paul Boddie is EP2010 wikimaster20:05
paul_boddiepinner: No, the drink!20:05
pinnerWe've been going an hour, and I need to take more medication, I suggest we call it a day, except..20:06
pinnerTOPIC Next Meeting20:06
fuzzymanthis time is good for me20:07
conchditto me20:07
pinnerSuggest next Thursday, same time, though we may need to review this next time bearing in mind the poor attendance today20:07
contrary1700 is a little too early for me (Mary Mooney) new to this game20:07
paul_boddieNo preferences, but Thursday is better than average.20:08
pinnerVOTE Next meeting 4th February, 1700 GMT, freenode #europython20:08
zethThursday at 5pm is okay for me20:09
conch+120:09
fuzzyman+120:09
paul_boddie+120:09
moreati+120:09
contrary+120:09
pinnercontray: Hi, glad you could make it, trouble is that 1800 is too late for the mainland Europeans20:09
pinner+120:09
pinnerENDVOTE20:09
contraryno matter20:10
pinnerDECISION  Next meeting 4th February, 1700 GMT, freenode #europython20:10
pinner#endmeeting20:10
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pinnerThanks for coming everyone! We have the show on the road at last!20:11
moreatihuzzah!20:11
pinnermoreati: can we get together soon to get that budget done?20:12
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zethHave a good night pinner!20:13
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pinnerzeth: thanks, I hope so, with the laxative effects!20:14
pinnerzeth: I'm at Selly Oak hospital tomorrow, doubt that I can drop by though...20:14
zethOh dear, what are you having done?20:14
zethYou in for tests is it?20:15
fuzzymangoodnight all20:15
zethnight fuzzyman20:15
fuzzymanspeak to you again on the 4th...20:15
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