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| matti | ambv: *hug* | 13:06 |
| matti | :) | 13:06 |
| ambv | :) | 13:06 |
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| matti | ambv = Greeter(); ambv.type = RUSSIAN_BEAR_GREETING_MODE; ambv.greet() | 13:12 |
| matti | ;] | 13:12 |
| ambv | co tam na wyspach? | 13:12 |
| matti | Nic. | 13:12 |
| matti | Szukam pracy nowej. | 13:12 |
| matti | RIM doprowadza mnie do histerii. | 13:13 |
| matti | 18 do 20 godz. pracy. | 13:13 |
| matti | Do tego ciagle zaproszenia na meeting o 23 w wieczor. | 13:13 |
| matti | Itp. | 13:13 |
| matti | Mam dosc. | 13:13 |
| matti | ;/ | 13:14 |
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| matti | Hi fuzzyman | 16:35 |
| fuzzyman | Hi | 16:35 |
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| conch | Hi! | 19:00 |
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| conch | Hello John | 19:01 |
| pinner | Hello! | 19:02 |
| pinner | Wh is here? | 19:02 |
| pinner | Who is here? | 19:02 |
| conch | Me Quentin | 19:02 |
| fuzzyman | Here | 19:03 |
| fuzzyman | hello john and Quentin | 19:03 |
| fuzzyman | my internet connection has been ropey - so my apologies if I disappear | 19:03 |
| fuzzyman | hopefully won't happen | 19:03 |
| fuzzyman | tartley sends his apologies | 19:03 |
| fuzzyman | he can't escape work | 19:03 |
| * pinner may need to disappear at intervals for other reasons | 19:03 | |
| fuzzyman | but he says he is available to do *lots* of work this year so we can assign lots of things to him | 19:03 |
| fuzzyman | oh yes, condolences | 19:04 |
| conch | excellent! | 19:04 |
| fuzzyman | did I miss a phone meeting I was supposed to join in, or is that this saturday? | 19:04 |
| fuzzyman | my apologies if I missed it | 19:04 |
| conch | I wasn't aware of a phone meeting | 19:04 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: a good thing would be for tartley to work on the talk submissions again, | 19:04 |
| pinner | we did not have a hoen meeting: just wanted to know if you were available if need be (last Saturday) | 19:05 |
| fuzzyman | I am communicating with tartley via twitter | 19:05 |
| fuzzyman | I have asked him if he is ok with that | 19:05 |
| fuzzyman | glad I didn't miss it | 19:05 |
| fuzzyman | are we using the same IRC protocol as last year | 19:06 |
| fuzzyman | the PRESENT business? | 19:06 |
| conch | .. but can we remember what the full protocol is? | 19:06 |
| fuzzyman | heh | 19:07 |
| fuzzyman | there was a vote start and end | 19:07 |
| fuzzyman | but I don't remember the details | 19:07 |
| conch | you mean present, vote, start and end | 19:07 |
| pinner | same protocol as last year, I think I remember the protocol, but it should be on the wiki | 19:08 |
| pinner | Shall we go? | 19:08 |
| pinner | #startmeeting | 19:08 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 19:08 |
| fuzzyman | PRESENT | 19:08 |
| conch | PRESENT | 19:08 |
| conch | then it's apologies | 19:09 |
| conch | .. and then it's TOPIC | 19:09 |
| fuzzyman | Jonathan Hartley sends his apologies | 19:09 |
| conch | and there's DECISION, ACTION, VOTE, ENDVOTE, IDEA, AGREED | 19:10 |
| pinner | so that was | 19:10 |
| pinner | TOPIC Apologies | 19:11 |
| pinner | apologies from tartley | 19:11 |
| conch | everyone can use PRESENT APOLOGIES IDEA, the chairman gets to use everything else.. | 19:11 |
| fuzzyman | what are acceptable votes - yes and no | 19:11 |
| fuzzyman | or anything that makes intention clear? | 19:11 |
| conch | +/-1 | 19:12 |
| pinner | conch: also +1,0,-1 in voting | 19:12 |
| pinner | TOPIC Dates | 19:12 |
| fuzzyman | ah yes | 19:12 |
| fuzzyman | thanks | 19:12 |
| conch | The wiki says nothing about 0 (smile!) | 19:12 |
| pinner | I assume we are all away of the dates: | 19:12 |
| pinner | Confrence 19-22 July | 19:12 |
| fuzzyman | yes | 19:12 |
| pinner | Tutorials 17,18 July | 19:13 |
| conch | rather than 17-24 | 19:13 |
| pinner | Sprints 23,24 July | 19:13 |
| conch | yes | 19:13 |
| pinner | Language summit 18 July | 19:13 |
| pinner | OK? | 19:13 |
| matti | Oh dear. | 19:13 |
| matti | I have meeting at work right now. | 19:13 |
| matti | ;/ | 19:14 |
| pinner | hi matti! | 19:14 |
| matti | Hi pinner :) | 19:14 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 19:14 |
| fuzzyman | Hi matti | 19:14 |
| fuzzyman | any word from Laura by the way | 19:14 |
| fuzzyman | ? | 19:14 |
| matti | pinner: Let me know if and how I can help this year. But I have to go ;/ | 19:14 |
| matti | Hi fuzzyman :)) | 19:14 |
| * matti cries and blames his employer. | 19:14 | |
| pinner | matti: will do, let us know how you can help. Thanks | 19:14 |
| conch | Hi matti, of course you can help! | 19:15 |
| pinner | VOTE to accept above dates | 19:15 |
| conch | +1 | 19:15 |
| pinner | +1 | 19:15 |
| fuzzyman | +1 | 19:16 |
| matti | conch, pinner: You have to let me know what is in need of being done :) | 19:16 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: not voting? | 19:16 |
| matti | Right folks, later. | 19:16 |
| matti | matti: +! | 19:16 |
| matti | Ops. | 19:16 |
| matti | matti: +1 | 19:16 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 19:16 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: I voted +1 did you not see | 19:16 |
| fuzzyman | or was I just slow? | 19:16 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: we crossed | 19:17 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 19:17 |
| pinner | TOPIC Fees | 19:17 |
| fuzzyman | it would be nice if we could avoid raising the fee | 19:17 |
| pinner | Proposed: all Conference Delegate fees to be increased by £25 from EP2009 | 19:17 |
| fuzzyman | if it is needed then I will support it | 19:17 |
| fuzzyman | but there are already people who could not afford it last year | 19:18 |
| pinner | reason - Conference is 4 days, not 3 | 19:18 |
| fuzzyman | but I guess people will complain whatever the cost | 19:18 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 19:18 |
| conch | It's probably needed, maybe less safety net from psf | 19:18 |
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| pinner | Tutorial fees to be determined | 19:18 |
| conch | Hi Alex! | 19:18 |
| fuzzyman | I don't think we will have a problem with support from the PSF | 19:18 |
| fuzzyman | Hi Alex | 19:18 |
| pinner | hello Alex | 19:18 |
| moreati | hi all, sorry I'm late | 19:19 |
| conch | moreati: we've only just started... | 19:19 |
| pinner | fees would be: £120 for extra early bird, Accepted Speaker, Concession | 19:19 |
| moreati | PRESENT | 19:19 |
| pinner | £ 145 early Bird | 19:19 |
| pinner | £ 215 Standard | 19:20 |
| pinner | £ 225 on Door | 19:20 |
| moreati | fine with me | 19:20 |
| pinner | £ 320 Corporate | 19:20 |
| conch | and with me | 19:20 |
| pinner | is taht right, Alex? | 19:20 |
| fuzzyman | still cheaper than PyCon | 19:20 |
| fuzzyman | but not as much of a bargain as it used to be... :-) | 19:20 |
| pinner | regaitration to start week commencing 8th February | 19:21 |
| moreati | we're doing an extra day, it's the same/day as last year or slightly better | 19:21 |
| pinner | Extra early Bird to be available for one week only | 19:21 |
| fuzzyman | the extra day will cost me an extra days lost work | 19:21 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 19:21 |
| fuzzyman | that makes it *more* expensive ;-) | 19:21 |
| moreati | pinner: one week only? We were discussing two as I recall. | 19:22 |
| pinner | fuzzyman : the same for us all, not to mention the planning days beforehand | 19:22 |
| fuzzyman | right | 19:22 |
| fuzzyman | sure | 19:22 |
| fuzzyman | you put a lot more time in than me, that is for sure | 19:22 |
| pinner | moreati: you're right, but we could take a vote | 19:23 |
| fuzzyman | I have no opinion on the matter | 19:23 |
| fuzzyman | what is the purpose of extra early bird? | 19:23 |
| conch | to get the ball rolling | 19:24 |
| moreati | If it's a week, we need to let mpeople know that, starting this weekend. So they're chomping at the bit, come 8 Feb, but I'm okay with 1 week | 19:24 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: to reward people you book extra early (and who are taking a risk) and who give us the funds for deposits | 19:24 |
| conch | we need to get some funds up front | 19:24 |
| moreati | EEB = I don't know what will be on, cause it's not been announced, but I'm soure it wil be good so I'll book really early and get a great price. More risk/faith, less money | 19:25 |
| pinner | VOTE Registration to start w/c 8th February, Extra Early Bird rate to be available for one week only | 19:25 |
| moreati | +1 | 19:25 |
| fuzzyman | abstain | 19:25 |
| conch | +1 | 19:25 |
| pinner | vote against if you want EEB to be available for two weeks | 19:25 |
| conch | abstain = 0? | 19:26 |
| moreati | conch: yes-ish | 19:26 |
| fuzzyman | o | 19:26 |
| pinner | conch: I think so | 19:26 |
| fuzzyman | 0 | 19:26 |
| fuzzyman | O | 19:26 |
| moreati | zeth: ping | 19:26 |
| pinner | +1 | 19:26 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 19:27 |
| fuzzyman | Tartley has responded that he is happy to repeat what he did last year with talk submissions by the way. (Sorry if this is out of place. Can repost at the right time) | 19:28 |
| pinner | conclusion: accepted, but only fuzzily. There aren't enough people here | 19:28 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: thanks to you and Tartley | 19:28 |
| pinner | TOPIC Volunteers etc | 19:29 |
| pinner | we need a webmaster and team | 19:29 |
| pinner | I nominate Richard Taylor, if he can do it | 19:30 |
| pinner | Then we need a team for him | 19:30 |
| moreati | pinner: I volunteer to be team. | 19:30 |
| fuzzyman | Zeth has also helped in previous years | 19:30 |
| pinner | Also we need a wikimaster and team | 19:30 |
| fuzzyman | maybe we can post these needs to the mailing list | 19:30 |
| pinner | OK, so for the website we have zeth, moreati and pinner on team and rjt webmaster | 19:31 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: good idea | 19:31 |
| pinner | DECISION: Request for volunteers for web and wiki teams to be posted to ep-improve | 19:32 |
| pinner | I hope that paulboddie will be wikimaster | 19:32 |
| pinner | TOPIC Partners Programme | 19:33 |
| fuzzyman | was the programme a success last year? | 19:33 |
| fuzzyman | I didn't hear much about it | 19:34 |
| pinner | Partners Programme team are currently Mary. Jutte and Sheila | 19:34 |
| pinner | They are working on a progarmme and trying to amke it non-sexist after the comments last year | 19:34 |
| moreati | My vague impression, those who went in it liked it. Some men didn't go on it, because it was perceived women only. | 19:34 |
| pinner | So have we any male partners to join them in th planning\/ | 19:35 |
| moreati | Don't be singlist! | 19:35 |
| pinner | On male went shopping, I think | 19:35 |
| pinner | On >> One | 19:35 |
| moreati | Anyway, we need to be careful about the wording we use, and to make it clear that the programme is open to anyone whos been dragged along. | 19:36 |
| pinner | I'm sure that any ideas for the PP would be welcome | 19:37 |
| moreati | There was some talk of calling it the non-geek programme or python refugee programme IIRC | 19:37 |
| pinner | How about Ms fuzzyman and Ms tartley? | 19:37 |
| fuzzyman | I don't think my wife will come I'm afraid | 19:37 |
| fuzzyman | and Ms Tartley is a programmer | 19:38 |
| fuzzyman | she came to your Python tutorial last year IIRC | 19:38 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: why won't the Other Delia come, is it something we're doing wrong? If so we need to know | 19:39 |
| pinner | TOPIC Streams, etc | 19:40 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: I will ask her | 19:40 |
| pinner | Proposed Conference is 4 days with 4 streams ( last year was 3/6 ) | 19:41 |
| fuzzyman | so less *number* of talks overall | 19:41 |
| fuzzyman | but less overlap on each day | 19:41 |
| pinner | also talks to be scheduled at one hour intervals regardless of length | 19:41 |
| fuzzyman | that sounds good to me | 19:41 |
| fuzzyman | so either two 30 mins with no break or a 45 mins one with 15 mins break? | 19:42 |
| pinner | and talks to be mainly 45 minutes, or 30 | 19:42 |
| fuzzyman | don't we *need* to schedule a break between 30 minute talks? | 19:42 |
| pinner | the idea is to have bigger breaks to give less disruption at start of talks | 19:43 |
| conch | and to enable people to network | 19:43 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: so no to 2 x 30 minutes in one hour slot | 19:43 |
| fuzzyman | so one 30 minute talk in an hour slot | 19:43 |
| fuzzyman | so effectively everyone gets time for a 45 minute talk | 19:43 |
| fuzzyman | and whether they use it or not is up to them! | 19:43 |
| fuzzyman | I like it | 19:43 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: yes | 19:43 |
| fuzzyman | it means fitting less talks in | 19:43 |
| fuzzyman | but much more relaxed | 19:44 |
| fuzzyman | less running around between talks and more talking between talks | 19:44 |
| pinner | last yera we had too many talks, so that's OK | 19:44 |
| fuzzyman | yes - I agree | 19:44 |
| fuzzyman | we can afford to reject some talks | 19:44 |
| pinner | VOTE Talks to be 45 or 30 minutes scheduled at 60 minute intervals | 19:45 |
| fuzzyman | even so with effectively 16 days of talks we have room for a lot | 19:45 |
| fuzzyman | +1 | 19:45 |
| pinner | +1 | 19:45 |
| conch | +1 | 19:45 |
| moreati | +1 | 19:45 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 19:45 |
| pinner | DECISION Talks to be 45 or 30 minutes scheduled at 60 minute intervals | 19:45 |
| pinner | Proposed: Tutorials to be two days, with 4 streams, each tutorial to be a half- or full-day | 19:46 |
| pinner | then we'll see what proposls we'll get | 19:47 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 19:47 |
| fuzzyman | did we turn any tutorial proposals down last year? | 19:48 |
| pinner | I've just woken up Zet, he should be joining us.. | 19:48 |
| zeth | Hi all | 19:48 |
| conch | hi zeth | 19:48 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: we turned down one from Luke Leighton, IIRC, he had proposed too many | 19:49 |
| pinner | Hello Zeth! | 19:49 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 19:49 |
| fuzzyman | Hi Zeth | 19:49 |
| zeth | Hi sorry to be late, have been in house renovating mode this week and am a little behind emails | 19:49 |
| zeth | I started on the talk submissions system at the weekend | 19:50 |
| zeth | there doesn't seem too much to do, depending on what changes we want | 19:50 |
| pinner | zeth: We've decided to start Registration w/c/ 8th Feb, we need talk Submission around the same time, OK? | 19:50 |
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| zeth | Cool | 19:50 |
| pinner | hello lukas! | 19:51 |
| zeth | Are we keeping registration the same? | 19:51 |
| zeth | Or are we going to try to link it in to the talks system? | 19:51 |
| pinner | I think keep it the same, except if we had a bio last year we don't need it this year unless speakers want a new one | 19:51 |
| pinner | zeth: sorry i was talking about Talks. | 19:52 |
| pinner | As it's so late, I want to keep registration the same as last year. | 19:52 |
| zeth | Cool | 19:52 |
| pinner | The dream of a system which we can use in fute, say in Italy, will ahve to wait | 19:53 |
| zeth | The one change I thought about was making them go through the django site first | 19:53 |
| zeth | then we send that data down the normal registration pipeline | 19:53 |
| pinner | zeth; that will cut the number of bookings | 19:53 |
| zeth | because then we can easily track speakers who have/haven't booked | 19:53 |
| zeth | I don't mean that they know they are logging in | 19:53 |
| zeth | but that it links behind the scenes | 19:54 |
| pinner | zeth: the orginal thinking, back in PyVon Uk 2008 days, was to make it as easy as possible to book, and get more peopl, and it worked | 19:54 |
| moreati | definately, every extra click cuts X % off our bookings | 19:55 |
| zeth | From the delegate's perspective, what I am saying makes no difference at all | 19:55 |
| pinner | zethL how? | 19:55 |
| zeth | So a delegate goes to the site and fills out a form which looks exactly the same as the current one | 19:56 |
| moreati | ah, you're saying they make a booking outside Django with the same system we have now. Behind thescenes their booking information is used to create a django account? | 19:56 |
| zeth | yes | 19:56 |
| moreati | then np from me | 19:56 |
| pinner | zeth: let's talk this about this outside this meeting | 19:56 |
| zeth | and for speakers who we have information for already, they can be emailed a link which semi-fills out the booking form already | 19:56 |
| zeth | OK | 19:57 |
| zeth | talk later | 19:57 |
| pinner | TOPIC Sprints | 19:57 |
| pinner | I think this year we may have more | 19:57 |
| pinner | WE're proposing to use a new venue, the Birmingham and Midland Institute | 19:58 |
| pinner | It was founded by Act of Parliament in , I think, 1857 to spread knowledge to the masses. | 19:59 |
| zeth | http://www.bmi.org.uk/ | 19:59 |
| pinner | It's been timed by Alex at 3mins 40secs stroll from the Conservatoire. | 20:00 |
| pinner | You can see it at www.bmi.org.uk | 20:00 |
| pinner | We're proposing that PyCon Uk Society join as an affiliated society, then we get 35% off room hire | 20:00 |
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| pinner | Also , it has a 260 seat theatre we can hire for overspill from the Conference | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | if it's a good venue and joining saves us more than it costs | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | then why not | 20:01 |
| zeth | Nice | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: overspill? | 20:01 |
| moreati | BMI is much easier to reach from the Conservatoire than the remote site last year. It's much nearer, and there are fewer turns to make | 20:02 |
| zeth | I was just about to suggest that | 20:02 |
| pinner | joining will cost us £10, and we'll save maybe a hundre or two. | 20:02 |
| zeth | "Several independent societies are affiliated to the BMI, using its premises for their meetings and activities. These societies include the Birmingham Philatelic Society, Moseley United Nations Association, Institute Ramblers, Birmingham and Warwickshire Archaeological Society, Midland Painting Group, Midland Spaceflight Society, Workers Educational Association, Dickens Fellowship, British Russian Society, Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy | 20:02 |
| zeth | Spaceflight society! | 20:02 |
| * paul_boddie had forgotten the meeting. | 20:02 | |
| fuzzyman | pinner: are you proposing having part of the conference there too? | 20:03 |
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| zeth | Hey paul_boddie, happy new year! | 20:03 |
| pinner | zeth: as a Bham Uni person you should know about their space progarmme! | 20:03 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: if we need the space, yes | 20:03 |
| zeth | I have heard of this club (BMI) before | 20:03 |
| pinner | pboddie: Hi, hope you're well! | 20:03 |
| zeth | maybe I will join so I can hide in the members room during the conference :-) | 20:03 |
| * paul_boddie read British Russian Society as the Black Russian Society. | 20:04 | |
| paul_boddie | zeth, pinner: Hello! Happy New Year! | 20:04 |
| pinner | pboddie: in your absence, you were nominated as wikimaster, with a team to help. is that OK? | 20:04 |
| paul_boddie | pinner: Yes, I can wrangle the Wiki again. | 20:04 |
| pinner | paul_boddie: as in Sobranie? | 20:04 |
| pinner | paul_boddie: thanks | 20:05 |
| pinner | DECISION Paul Boddie is EP2010 wikimaster | 20:05 |
| paul_boddie | pinner: No, the drink! | 20:05 |
| pinner | We've been going an hour, and I need to take more medication, I suggest we call it a day, except.. | 20:06 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next Meeting | 20:06 |
| fuzzyman | this time is good for me | 20:07 |
| conch | ditto me | 20:07 |
| pinner | Suggest next Thursday, same time, though we may need to review this next time bearing in mind the poor attendance today | 20:07 |
| contrary | 1700 is a little too early for me (Mary Mooney) new to this game | 20:07 |
| paul_boddie | No preferences, but Thursday is better than average. | 20:08 |
| pinner | VOTE Next meeting 4th February, 1700 GMT, freenode #europython | 20:08 |
| zeth | Thursday at 5pm is okay for me | 20:09 |
| conch | +1 | 20:09 |
| fuzzyman | +1 | 20:09 |
| paul_boddie | +1 | 20:09 |
| moreati | +1 | 20:09 |
| contrary | +1 | 20:09 |
| pinner | contray: Hi, glad you could make it, trouble is that 1800 is too late for the mainland Europeans | 20:09 |
| pinner | +1 | 20:09 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 20:09 |
| contrary | no matter | 20:10 |
| pinner | DECISION Next meeting 4th February, 1700 GMT, freenode #europython | 20:10 |
| pinner | #endmeeting | 20:10 |
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| pinner | Thanks for coming everyone! We have the show on the road at last! | 20:11 |
| moreati | huzzah! | 20:11 |
| pinner | moreati: can we get together soon to get that budget done? | 20:12 |
| * pinner is leaving | 20:13 | |
| zeth | Have a good night pinner! | 20:13 |
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| pinner | zeth: thanks, I hope so, with the laxative effects! | 20:14 |
| pinner | zeth: I'm at Selly Oak hospital tomorrow, doubt that I can drop by though... | 20:14 |
| zeth | Oh dear, what are you having done? | 20:14 |
| zeth | You in for tests is it? | 20:15 |
| fuzzyman | goodnight all | 20:15 |
| zeth | night fuzzyman | 20:15 |
| fuzzyman | speak to you again on the 4th... | 20:15 |
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