| zeth | is Hi all | 00:39 |
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| matti | Morning. | 12:23 |
| matti | zeth: Out of 83 speakers, only 5 went back to me. | 12:28 |
| matti | zeth: I reckon that most of them will try to squeeze just before the deadline. | 12:28 |
| ambv | matti: LOL | 13:03 |
| dboddie_office | 78 people are still writing their presentations, then. ;-) | 13:19 |
| matti | Apparently so ;] | 13:25 |
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| Wu | hi guys | 13:56 |
| Wu | is there any list with the people who will attend the conference? | 13:57 |
| Wu | just wondering if there is more people from my region that will attend | 13:57 |
| Wu | I'll reach london on monday (the 29th) and I've rented a car to go to birmingham | 13:58 |
| Wu | I was thinking about sending an email to the list, of anybody else arrives at london at that day/time, I can pick them up | 13:59 |
| Wu | (and if someone else from my country/region is going in the same flight, would be even nicer to meet them before) | 13:59 |
| dboddie_office | Wu: It might be good to ask on the mailing list. Where are you coming from? | 14:34 |
| Wu | spain | 14:38 |
| Wu | northwest | 14:38 |
| Wu | let me send an email to the list then | 14:38 |
| dboddie_office | Sounds like the best plan. | 14:38 |
| Wu | mail sent | 14:51 |
| Wu | stat=Deferred: 450 4.2.0 <europython@python.org>: Recipient address rejected: Temporary reject by policy | 14:51 |
| Wu | hope that's ok and the mail will go through | 14:51 |
| dboddie_office | Are you subscribed to that list? | 14:54 |
| Wu | yes I'm | 14:56 |
| Wu | I've received all the mails since john pinner's one about the partners program | 14:57 |
| matti | zeth: Do we want to make those CDs even prior to the tutorial session? | 14:59 |
| dboddie_office | Wu: OK, maybe it's just a mail system glitch. | 15:04 |
| Wu | np, if needed I'll send it again, time to have lunch, see ya later | 15:05 |
| Wu | bye | 15:05 |
| matti | Heh | 15:20 |
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| CMooney | hey zeth, off the top of your head do you know who's dealing with the conference cd? | 16:35 |
| CMooney | Ah. Don't worry just found who it is. | 16:37 |
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| LarstiQ | dboddie_office, Wu: that looks like standard greylisting | 16:40 |
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| Wu | LarstiQ: yep, seems so | 17:25 |
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| zeth | Hi | 18:42 |
| zeth | Hello all | 18:43 |
| zeth | Hi aa_ dboddie_office dboddie_office fuzzyman jacob22 LarstiQ matti Mez matti MrTopf nickbooker povbot SafPlusPlus TheSheep Wu xorAxAx | 18:55 |
| LarstiQ | meeting time? | 18:55 |
| zeth | yep | 18:55 |
| zeth | in theory at least | 18:56 |
| Wu | :) | 18:56 |
| Wu | hi zeth | 18:56 |
| zeth | Hi Wu | 18:56 |
| zeth | We might not have too many people today | 18:56 |
| zeth | so might be a short meeting | 18:56 |
| zeth | but we should do it anyway | 18:56 |
| zeth | #startmeeting | 18:57 |
| zeth | PRESENT | 18:57 |
| zeth | APOLOGIES John Pinner | 18:58 |
| zeth | TOPIC Tutorial advanced check-in | 19:00 |
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| zeth | Hello moreati tartley ! | 19:00 |
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| tartley | hello zeth! | 19:00 |
| zeth | Hello! | 19:00 |
| zeth | I was about to close the shorted EuroPython meeting yet ;) | 19:00 |
| zeth | now some people have come | 19:00 |
| zeth | maybe I should start again ;) | 19:00 |
| pboddie | PRESENT | 19:01 |
| moreati | pboddie: not yet :) | 19:01 |
| pboddie | It's in the log! | 19:01 |
| zeth | TOPIC Tutorial advanced check-in | 19:01 |
| dboddie_office | PRESENT | 19:01 |
| zeth | repeated APOLOGIES John Pinner | 19:01 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: any idea how long it will take? | 19:02 |
| moreati | PRESENT | 19:02 |
| * LarstiQ might not be here much longer | 19:02 | |
| zeth | I wrote a check-in system this afternoon | 19:02 |
| zeth | LarstiQ: no idea | 19:02 |
| LarstiQ | PRESENT | 19:02 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: let's see what happens :) | 19:02 |
| zeth | LarstiQ: may be five mins or 2 hours | 19:02 |
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| zeth | hard to tell | 19:02 |
| zeth | I wrote a check-in system this afternoon | 19:02 |
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| zeth | And launched it 10 minutes ago | 19:02 |
| pinner | Hello! | 19:03 |
| zeth | in the ten minutes so far, 10 people have checked-in for their tutorials | 19:03 |
| conch | Hello! | 19:03 |
| zeth | 11 | 19:03 |
| pinner | zeth: launched what? | 19:03 |
| zeth | the tutorials check-in system | 19:03 |
| pinner | great | 19:03 |
| zeth | it sends a unique URL one-time use to each person on the list you gave me | 19:03 |
| zeth | it sent | 19:04 |
| zeth | new people can be added by putting a new file in the right place and running a script | 19:04 |
| conch | I've changed my nick as I don't know the password for qwright | 19:04 |
| zeth | the input format is one email per line | 19:04 |
| zeth | The system has not been double checked by nickbooker | 19:05 |
| zeth | so anything might happen ;) | 19:05 |
| pinner | live testers | 19:05 |
| moreati | zeth does it send the email again if it sees the same address on a subsequent run? | 19:05 |
| zeth | no | 19:05 |
| zeth | it is smart enough for that ;) | 19:05 |
| zeth | any other questions on that | 19:06 |
| moreati | Is it worth putting an announcement on the front page, in case we've missed somebody or it drums up a few more bookings? | 19:06 |
| zeth | annoucement of what? | 19:07 |
| LarstiQ | zeth: the checkin system | 19:08 |
| zeth | well | 19:08 |
| zeth | people only have access to the checkin system if they have booked and paid for tutorials | 19:08 |
| moreati | As in, is there a chance that people have booked, but were missing from the list you've used, or are the still a few people who wish to book the tutorials but need a little push. Should we announce that people can now choose their tutorials? | 19:08 |
| zeth | well I think advanced checkin is optional | 19:09 |
| moreati | okay, never mind then. | 19:09 |
| zeth | and 11 people out of however many seem to have got the idea | 19:09 |
| zeth | Well I think we could say that tutorials are open | 19:10 |
| zeth | and book now or face disappoing menrt | 19:10 |
| zeth | disappoment | 19:10 |
| zeth | disappointment | 19:10 |
| zeth | ;) | 19:10 |
| zeth | disappointing spelling ;) | 19:10 |
| moreati | I'll look at putting something on the news page tonight. | 19:11 |
| zeth | cool | 19:11 |
| zeth | good idea | 19:11 |
| moreati | and thankyou for doing the script | 19:11 |
| zeth | you can say that tutorials are still open, are well attended and thoe who book now can advanced checkin | 19:12 |
| moreati | check | 19:12 |
| pinner | Yes, thanks Zeth | 19:12 |
| pinner | Shall we start? | 19:12 |
| moreati | pinner: we have started | 19:12 |
| pinner | OK, what Item are we on? | 19:13 |
| zeth | 17:08 < zeth> #startmeeting | 19:13 |
| moreati | pinner: tutorial bookings system | 19:13 |
| zeth | 17:12 < zeth> TOPIC Tutorial advanced check-in | 19:13 |
| tartley | PRESENT | 19:13 |
| conch | PRESENT | 19:14 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 19:14 |
| pinner | so we're not following an agenda? 'co I didn't do one, unless we use last week's | 19:14 |
| zeth | I was just doing the TOPICs off my head and the last meeting | 19:14 |
| zeth | I can hand over chairing to pinner if that helps | 19:15 |
| pinner | we need more structure if we're to cover everything in other than random fashion, methinks | 19:15 |
| zeth | I was just following this: http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingNumber14 | 19:15 |
| zeth | so next TOPIC is Talks | 19:16 |
| pinner | so, let's say we're on Review Actions from Last meeting, and that was the Tutorials Booking System! | 19:16 |
| zeth | cool | 19:16 |
| pinner | other actions were order projectors, which was done | 19:16 |
| zeth | TOPIC Review Actions from Last Meeting | 19:17 |
| zeth | (assuming the script is still being used) | 19:17 |
| pinner | and order adsl, also done Q? | 19:17 |
| pinner | and update europython@python.org list, also done | 19:17 |
| pinner | any other actions needed for report? | 19:18 |
| pinner | zeth: it is | 19:18 |
| conch | ADSL very nearly ordered | 19:18 |
| moreati | mine was done, but not by me | 19:18 |
| pinner | yes, put up session chair table, done by rjt | 19:18 |
| pinner | TOPIC Registration | 19:19 |
| pinner | Bookins now 394 less 16 double-bookings (hotel, tutorials only) = 378 real bookings | 19:19 |
| pinner | with 109 for tutorials | 19:19 |
| zeth | Pretty good, especially considering the lack of publicity outside UK | 19:20 |
| pinner | I haven't put up the report on the wiki, will do after this meeting when I get back to hotel | 19:20 |
| pinner | (Currently 300 yds from Heathrow main runway) | 19:20 |
| LarstiQ | is it desireable to have more bookings than that? | 19:21 |
| zeth | LarstiQ: well the more bookings, the more we can spend on beer ;) | 19:21 |
| pinner | LarstiQ: yes, we are short on sponsorship (later topic) so need as many paying delegate as possible | 19:21 |
| pinner | Any more on registration? | 19:21 |
| pinner | TOPIC Tutorials | 19:22 |
| zeth | pinner: what was that conversation about logilab registrations? | 19:22 |
| zeth | I tried to make sense of the LAC emails | 19:22 |
| zeth | but could not figure it out | 19:22 |
| pinner | Booking system now done, thanks Zeth | 19:22 |
| tartley | question about the booking system | 19:22 |
| pinner | zeth: it's all OK | 19:22 |
| zeth | cool | 19:22 |
| tartley | tutors will generally have signed up to sit in on other tutorials. | 19:23 |
| pinner | tartley notified the tutors as needed... | 19:23 |
| tartley | For their own timeslot, should we instruct them to register for their own tutorial (which distorts the numbers slightly, but otherwise they can't get the form to submit) | 19:23 |
| pinner | tartley: are they clear what they must do to get paid? | 19:23 |
| tartley | let me check what I wrote... | 19:23 |
| zeth | tartley: ah I see, then yes | 19:24 |
| zeth | it is really simple system | 19:24 |
| zeth | wrote in a few hours only | 19:24 |
| zeth | with no testing | 19:24 |
| zeth | did not think about the teachers | 19:24 |
| tartley | zeth: fair enough, I'll make sure teachers know how to get through the form | 19:24 |
| fuzzyman | Hello | 19:24 |
| fuzzyman | PRESENT | 19:25 |
| zeth | hi fuzzyman | 19:25 |
| fuzzyman | sorry for lateness | 19:25 |
| pinner | tartley: I say they shouldn't register at all, or must all register, otherwise the catering numbers get distorted | 19:25 |
| zeth | tartley: we can always just delete the things | 19:25 |
| pinner | hello Michael | 19:25 |
| zeth | delete the bookings | 19:25 |
| tartley | pinner: I only told them that £25/student/day still applies, but not how to invoice us. We thought we'd hold off on that until they knew how many students they had | 19:25 |
| zeth | I mean, we can delete the pre-checkins for those particular combinations | 19:25 |
| zeth | once they are in the database, they are not in groups of 4 | 19:25 |
| pinner | tartley: that's fine, but they need to understand that they must provide good handouts to get paid | 19:26 |
| zeth | they are just individual check-ins | 19:26 |
| tartley | zeth: you mean "where student == tutor" ? | 19:26 |
| zeth | yup | 19:26 |
| tartley | I'll make sure I mention that in a quick 2nd email, including the instructions zeth just outlined. To be sent after this meeting. | 19:26 |
| zeth | tartley: one could do it by hand in the Django admin, or one could have coded it | 19:26 |
| zeth | assuming that they registed for conference with the same email they submitted the talk with | 19:27 |
| pinner | We need to know the numbers asap, for room allocation and handout printing | 19:27 |
| zeth | well anyone with access to the europython django admin | 19:27 |
| tartley | I suspect people will sign up quickly if we emphasise that places will be limited | 19:27 |
| zeth | can access the checkins | 19:27 |
| pinner | we are spread across 3 venues, although two are adjacent, for Sunday | 19:27 |
| zeth | I can make a special summary view for the tutors if that helpes | 19:28 |
| zeth | helps | 19:28 |
| tartley | reminde me: who is sending the announcement for zeth's check-in? | 19:28 |
| pinner | so we need to get organised | 19:28 |
| zeth | tartley: what announcement? | 19:28 |
| zeth | The system has already sent its own email to the students | 19:28 |
| tartley | zeth: the announce that tutorial students should register for tutorials now, using your nifty new form | 19:28 |
| tartley | ah! | 19:28 |
| fuzzyman | if we do an announcement I can post a blog entry to the pycon blog | 19:28 |
| zeth | so you only have to worry about teachers | 19:28 |
| tartley | I see | 19:28 |
| tartley | thanks | 19:28 |
| tartley | got it. | 19:28 |
| pinner | are we all clear now? | 19:29 |
| nickbooker | PRESENT | 19:29 |
| zeth | each student has own unique URL | 19:29 |
| zeth | so not much use linking to anything | 19:29 |
| nickbooker | (sorry i'm late - training) | 19:29 |
| zeth | one time use URLS were easier than bothering with logins | 19:29 |
| pinner | tartley: do you want to state the DECISION(s) on tutorials so there's no misunderstanding | 19:30 |
| zeth | are we done on this topc? | 19:30 |
| pinner | nickbooker: hello, dragged yourself away from her then! | 19:30 |
| pinner | zeth: when we have the DECISION from tartley | 19:30 |
| zeth | that tartley will send an email to teachers letting them know what is going on? | 19:31 |
| nickbooker | pinner: yes :) | 19:31 |
| pinner | zeth: yes, and what it says (briefly) | 19:31 |
| zeth | 14th person has done their advanced check-in in the last hour ( tartley in fact) | 19:32 |
| zeth | (15 now) | 19:32 |
| tartley | DECISION: I'll send an email to tutors, they must pick their own tutorials when registering, and remind they must submit decent handouts for payment | 19:32 |
| pinner | great | 19:33 |
| pinner | TOPIC Talks | 19:33 |
| pinner | problems with withdrawal of Jim Hugunin and Andy Robinson | 19:33 |
| LarstiQ | dinner is served here in Espoo, ciao | 19:34 |
| pinner | bit give opportunity for VM and barcamp panels | 19:34 |
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| fuzzyman | Reportlab Andy Robinson? | 19:34 |
| lac | here but late ... | 19:34 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: yes, not osm | 19:34 |
| fuzzyman | right | 19:34 |
| pinner | lac: Hi! | 19:34 |
| fuzzyman | shame | 19:34 |
| pinner | but not surprising | 19:35 |
| fuzzyman | heh | 19:35 |
| pinner | plus point, we need one less room | 19:35 |
| pinner | so some talk rescheduling to do | 19:35 |
| pinner | and I think lac and tartley have that in hand | 19:35 |
| tartley | right. I wasn't very helpful but didn't have anything to add. What people said seemed to make sense. | 19:36 |
| lac | have we already discussed what to tell people who want to book tutorials? | 19:36 |
| pinner | could wait a bit, there will be more dropouts | 19:36 |
| pinner | lac: yes | 19:37 |
| zeth | [Added fuzzyman tartley lac pinner etc to tutorial team in django admin, so you can see and edit checkins as much as me] | 19:37 |
| tartley | lac: An email already went out to all emails of people who registered for tutorials. | 19:37 |
| zeth | lac: yep | 19:37 |
| zeth | lac: everyone who has booked tutorials has been sent a one-time use URL to 'check-in' what tutorials they want | 19:37 |
| tartley | zeth: thansk | 19:37 |
| lac | mail me the whatever you emailed everybody who registered | 19:37 |
| lac | if you can. thanks. | 19:37 |
| tartley | I'll forward it | 19:38 |
| zeth | lac: you can login to the website admin | 19:38 |
| zeth | and see it live | 19:38 |
| zeth | same login as for talks submissions | 19:38 |
| lac | sure thing. thank you. | 19:38 |
| zeth | lac: http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/tutorial/booking/ | 19:38 |
| pinner | we may lose the Ukrainian talk if he doesn't get a visa | 19:38 |
| pinner | Nearly finished with talks? | 19:39 |
| pinner | ACTION Talks rescheduling needed to allow for withdrawn talks and new panels | 19:39 |
| pinner | TOPIC Swag Bags | 19:40 |
| pinner | Swag bag 'narrative' decided and transfers and bags ordered | 19:40 |
| zeth | cool | 19:41 |
| pinner | Sponsorship shortage will probably mean no funds for Yusdi's nice printed programme | 19:41 |
| pinner | but he's going to do it so delegates can downlaod and print themselves, I think | 19:41 |
| pinner | t | 19:42 |
| pinner | polo shirts decided and ordered for delegates and crew | 19:42 |
| fuzzyman | how much would printing cost? | 19:42 |
| pinner | 50/50 Black and Grey for delegates and mid-blue (chosen by moreati) for Crew | 19:43 |
| zeth | so maybe talking about budget and financial matters should come soon, because ideas on other topics will be limited by that | 19:43 |
| conch | I preferred red | 19:43 |
| zeth | ;) yeah red for the win | 19:43 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: rough guess £5 x 400 delegates = £2000, maybe more with what Yusdi planned | 19:43 |
| zeth | maybe next year red | 19:43 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 19:43 |
| pinner | red next year | 19:43 |
| pinner | this year red for 3 x Partners Programme Controllers | 19:44 |
| zeth | cool | 19:44 |
| zeth | the real bosses of the conference | 19:44 |
| pinner | so fallback for bags is timetable and delegate list, and wireless info ? only | 19:45 |
| moreati | and whatever the sponsors bring along. No conference CD? | 19:45 |
| pinner | I think zeth has a volunteer doing the CD, we can always put the Programme on the CD as well | 19:45 |
| pinner | CD is cheap | 19:46 |
| pinner | TOPIC Publicity | 19:46 |
| tartley | zeth: another question on the private chat | 19:46 |
| pinner | All we can do is publicise on every list we can think of, tell as many people as we know, and Twitter | 19:47 |
| pinner | Also we have the printed posters we haven't used yet | 19:47 |
| pinner | Who wants printed posters to stick up? | 19:47 |
| zeth | pinner: CD is almost done I think | 19:47 |
| pinner | zeth: really? with all the talks? I haven't sent mine in... | 19:48 |
| pboddie | What happened with the blog? | 19:48 |
| pinner | pboddie: I don't know, who has control of it? | 19:48 |
| zeth | pinner: Well I think he made the index etc | 19:49 |
| pboddie | Zeth, maybe. It got updated last in February unless all my browsers have cached it aggressively. | 19:49 |
| zeth | pboddie: everyone with an admin login | 19:49 |
| zeth | can blog | 19:49 |
| pinner | there's less than no point in having it if it isn't used | 19:50 |
| pinner | zeth: admin login to what? the blog? we all need it if it's to be effective | 19:50 |
| tartley | an admin login to what? the new zope/plone/whatever it is blog setup? | 19:50 |
| zeth | fuzzyman | 19:51 |
| zeth | ghum | 19:51 |
| zeth | john | 19:51 |
| zeth | lac | 19:51 |
| zeth | martin | 19:51 |
| tartley | I used to have write (but not publish) rights on the wordpress setup | 19:51 |
| zeth | moreati | 19:51 |
| zeth | nick | 19:51 |
| tartley | but lost them on the switchover. | 19:51 |
| zeth | q | 19:51 |
| zeth | steve | 19:51 |
| zeth | tartley | 19:51 |
| fuzzyman | didn't know I could write blog entries | 19:51 |
| zeth | thesheep | 19:51 |
| zeth | These people have admin logins | 19:51 |
| zeth | to the europython django admin site | 19:51 |
| pinner | Ahh... that wasn't clear to me | 19:51 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/blog/post/add/ | 19:51 |
| fuzzyman | What format are entries - rest or html | 19:52 |
| zeth | fuzzyman: rst | 19:52 |
| moreati | oh, I thought we were still using the bash on rails system for the blog | 19:52 |
| * pinner must be thick... that was supposed to be (proving the point ;-) | 19:52 | |
| zeth | There are a few different Django things on the site, they all use a single logon | 19:53 |
| pinner | So has everyone who wants/needs one got a login to blog? | 19:53 |
| zeth | Talks, Tutorials, Blog etc | 19:53 |
| zeth | I can assign permissions granually | 19:54 |
| zeth | but everyone should be able to blog | 19:54 |
| zeth | if someone does not have a login | 19:54 |
| zeth | let me know and I will make you oe | 19:54 |
| fuzzyman | no idea what my login is - but my browser has it cached so I'm fine :-) | 19:54 |
| zeth | one | 19:54 |
| pinner | zeth: do that | 19:54 |
| pinner | ACTION Anyone needing to blog ask zeth for a login | 19:54 |
| zeth | cool | 19:54 |
| tartley | also | 19:55 |
| tartley | the old wordpress blog needs to point to this new one | 19:55 |
| tartley | http://europython.wordpress.com/ | 19:55 |
| pinner | ACTION all to blog to generate publicity/buzz | 19:55 |
| pinner | ACTION who? to point wordpress blog to new blog | 19:55 |
| tartley | I don't have ability to post to it anymore | 19:56 |
| tartley | but am happy to write a thing if it's easiest for someone to add me | 19:56 |
| fuzzyman | "all to blog" :-) | 19:56 |
| tartley | it will only be 10 words though, and a link, so... | 19:56 |
| TheSheep | hm? | 19:56 |
| fuzzyman | isn't that the same as "no-one to blog" | 19:56 |
| fuzzyman | is anyone specific going to post an entry on the new system | 19:57 |
| fuzzyman | I'll be doing a new blog on the pycon.blogspot.com | 19:57 |
| fuzzyman | so someone else can volunteer | 19:57 |
| zeth | how about people post according to the work they have been doing? | 19:57 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: any of us with something useful to say | 19:57 |
| zeth | that would be something useful to read | 19:57 |
| moreati | i will be posting there about the tutorial booking going live | 19:57 |
| fuzzyman | cool | 19:58 |
| pinner | and I can do something about the additional venues | 19:58 |
| fuzzyman | great | 19:58 |
| pinner | TOPIC Tech Team Stuff | 19:59 |
| pinner | I think we're giving video a miss, because of lack of people to do it | 19:59 |
| pinner | but audio is going OK, I think, but Ciaran wants another recorder | 20:00 |
| moreati | definitely | 20:00 |
| pinner | which we should let him have | 20:00 |
| tartley | For the record: I figured out how to post to the old blog at: http://europython.wordpress.com/ I'll add a post redirecting readers to the new blog | 20:00 |
| pinner | extra projectors ordered | 20:01 |
| zeth | cool | 20:01 |
| pinner | lac: will you be able to bring your projector as a reserve? | 20:01 |
| conch | Must stop early this evening... | 20:01 |
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| lac | yes I am bringing it. | 20:01 |
| pinner | and I've arranged to borrow the UKUUG projector: picking it up in London next Thursday next week | 20:01 |
| pinner | lac: good | 20:02 |
| pinner | just as I was going to as conch about the rest of Tech Team stuff! | 20:02 |
| pinner | but I think it is in hand: | 20:02 |
| jacob22 | PRESENT I had another meeting to attend. | 20:03 |
| lac | oh yes .. PRESENT | 20:03 |
| pinner | ADSL being ordered for CBSO Centre and Conservatoire | 20:03 |
| pinner | we've looked at the CBSO centre, we have nearly all of it on Friday | 20:03 |
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| pinner | but we can't have the big hall on Saturday | 20:04 |
| CMooney | Apologies for lateness. | 20:04 |
| pinner | but there aren't any spring bookings on the wiki anyway | 20:04 |
| pinner | hello jacob22, hello CMooney | 20:04 |
| moreati | *sprint | 20:04 |
| nickbooker | i'm off. see you all... | 20:05 |
| zeth | With the CBSO, it is very musically themed conference! | 20:05 |
| zeth | nickbooker: bye! | 20:05 |
| pinner | CMooney: status of audio recording? Have you spoken with Jim (AV man) | 20:05 |
| pinner | nickbooker: bye | 20:05 |
| tartley | nickbooker: bye | 20:06 |
| zeth | CMooney: I have one of the audio recorders and some high visability jack to jack cables | 20:06 |
| CMooney | As before. Have not yet spoken to him. I will do it tomorrow, we need at least two more recording things. | 20:06 |
| CMooney | We can either get more digital audio recorders like the ones we have at the moment, or rent some equipment from Jim. I'll find out prices and email them to the list tomorrow. | 20:07 |
| pinner | CMooney: 2? We have 4 surely? so we'd need 1? | 20:07 |
| CMooney | There are simultaenous tracks on Tuesday. So may be worth renting one bit of kit for one day, and buying a recorder for the rest of the conference. | 20:07 |
| zeth | We have 4 including John Pinner's own personal one | 20:08 |
| CMooney | There are *6* simultanous tracks on Tuesday (sorry) | 20:08 |
| CMooney | Ah! Didn't realise that! | 20:08 |
| CMooney | Then we have 5 recorders, so we need one extra. | 20:08 |
| zeth | We have 4 | 20:08 |
| CMooney | Again, if we rent, just do it for one day. | 20:08 |
| zeth | We have to do EuroPython for two years | 20:08 |
| moreati | So buy one, rent another for just the Tuesday | 20:08 |
| zeth | and there is PyConUK day | 20:09 |
| pinner | CMooney: depends on rental cost then | 20:09 |
| zeth | so if the price of rental is high | 20:09 |
| zeth | then buy instead | 20:09 |
| zeth | however | 20:09 |
| zeth | do we really have to record everything? | 20:09 |
| CMooney | pinner yup. | 20:09 |
| zeth | Why not just record we can edit | 20:09 |
| zeth | Why not just record what we can edit | 20:09 |
| pinner | yes, FYI everyone we're having a PyCon UK one day unconference on September 5th at the CBSO Centre | 20:09 |
| CMooney | No, but usually things don't get recorded, so by default attempting to record everything and then we have fewer losses. | 20:10 |
| zeth | I mean, for the day with 6 rooms, just record 5 rooms | 20:10 |
| pinner | zeth: let's see costs first | 20:10 |
| CMooney | Depends on rental. We can make a better decision once I've done that. | 20:10 |
| CMooney | Actually my MP3/OGG player has a line in..... | 20:10 |
| pinner | ACTION CMooney to get costs for hiring recorder from Titan Films | 20:10 |
| CMooney | and records. | 20:10 |
| zeth | CMooney: for PyCconUK we never promises to actually produce any recording | 20:11 |
| zeth | I think we should keep it the same | 20:11 |
| pinner | Any more on Tech Team? | 20:11 |
| zeth | We produce files if they happen to work | 20:11 |
| zeth | and if someone can be bothered to edit them | 20:11 |
| moreati | pinner nothing I can think of | 20:11 |
| zeth | if people cannot miss a talk then come to the conference and sit in it | 20:11 |
| pinner | IDEA Have PyWm Meeting early next week to sort these outstanding things (discuss outside this meeting) | 20:12 |
| pinner | TOPIC Sponsorship | 20:12 |
| zeth | IDEA have PYWM meeting in Selly Oak ;) | 20:12 |
| pinner | zeth: if you wish, there's a good pub in Selly Park, don't know about Selly Oak | 20:12 |
| pinner | Microsoft have no money and can't sponsor us | 20:13 |
| pinner | Same with Canonical | 20:13 |
| pinner | but MS are giving us an Xbox and Dell Studio laptop | 20:13 |
| zeth | well how about Kings Heath, since it is easy to get to from here and has interesting significance ;) | 20:14 |
| pinner | and fuzzyman and I have discussed what to do with the laptop | 20:14 |
| pinner | and we suggest we raffle it to raise funds | 20:14 |
| zeth | destroy it in WHO-style conference opening? | 20:14 |
| pinner | more useful than awarding it as a prize | 20:14 |
| moreati | pinner I'm okay with that | 20:14 |
| CMooney | Good idea. | 20:15 |
| pinner | is everyone else OK with that? | 20:15 |
| zeth | pinner: comes on stage and destroys the laptop, then we say welcome to Europython ? | 20:15 |
| zeth | raffle is fine too ;) | 20:15 |
| fuzzyman | +1 raffle | 20:15 |
| tartley | very tempting, but +1 raffle | 20:16 |
| pinner | OK, we haven't had a vote yet... | 20:16 |
| zeth | well maybe we find something else to destroy in the opening ;) | 20:16 |
| tartley | awww. I'm being oppressed! | 20:16 |
| lac | It's a fine machine and you can run linux on it, so why ruin it? | 20:16 |
| moreati | pinner no vote necessary I think | 20:16 |
| pinner | VOTE Raffle Microsoft laptop to raise funds | 20:16 |
| tartley | +! | 20:16 |
| tartley | +1 | 20:16 |
| lac | +1 | 20:17 |
| zeth | _ + 1 | 20:17 |
| pinner | ah, started... | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | +1 | 20:17 |
| moreati | +1 | 20:17 |
| pinner | +1 | 20:17 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 20:17 |
| pinner | DECISION Microsoft's donated laptop to be raffled to raise funds | 20:17 |
| pinner | We may yet get MS and Canonical decisions reversed, but it's unlikely | 20:17 |
| CMooney | Any chance of being cheeky and asking current sponors to up what they have already given?? | 20:18 |
| pinner | Also we're expecting some sponsorship (not much) from Ableton | 20:18 |
| pinner | CMooney: probably not politic | 20:18 |
| zeth | these companies seem to be having confidence crises | 20:18 |
| pinner | And we haven't had an answer from Qt | 20:18 |
| zeth | So can we have a quick summary of budget type thing? | 20:19 |
| moreati | CMooney: we don't want to seem too much like students ;) | 20:19 |
| zeth | Are we likely to break even? | 20:19 |
| pinner | dboddie_office: any feedback from Qt on sponsorship? | 20:19 |
| pinner | zeth: possibly, depending on final numbers | 20:19 |
| zeth | Do we have a break even number of delegates? | 20:20 |
| pinner | zeth: look on admin wiki for budget, it's reasonable up-to-date | 20:20 |
| zeth | cool | 20:20 |
| pinner | except that invited speaker expense are not shown | 20:20 |
| lac | we've got a cushion of money in the bank from prior EPs, so nobody worry too much. | 20:21 |
| moreati | I'll punch some numbers into the spreadsheet this evening and post to the list | 20:21 |
| lac | This is unfortunate, but not a disaster. | 20:21 |
| pinner | so without more sponsorship and delegates, we're likely £3k out | 20:21 |
| dboddie_office | pinner: No. Sorry. I've had encounters in the hallway, but no words of substance were exchanged. | 20:21 |
| pinner | moreati: it's reasonable up to date (last Saturday I think) | 20:21 |
| dboddie_office | pinner: I'll send a reminder e-mail. | 20:21 |
| pinner | dboddie_office: thanks, great. | 20:21 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner and moreati to update budget as costs come in | 20:22 |
| zeth | how much contribution to fixed costs do we make from a delegate? | 20:22 |
| zeth | If we get 20 or 30 more? | 20:23 |
| pinner | ACTION dboddie_office to email sponsor reminder to Qt man | 20:23 |
| moreati | zeth: look at the spreadsheet yourself or wait until I post something later this evening please | 20:23 |
| pinner | zeth: say £90 per full delegate | 20:23 |
| dboddie_office | pinner: DONE! | 20:23 |
| pinner | zeth: zero for speakers and concessions | 20:24 |
| pinner | dboddie_office: Speedy Gonzalez! | 20:24 |
| pinner | the big extra cost is the sprints, as there is no income for these, ie sprinters do not pay | 20:25 |
| Mez | zeth: mass pings are bad | 20:25 |
| * pboddie is off! Will read the log later. | 20:25 | |
| pinner | and we have no idea how many there will be, so judging from Vilnius, loads of people wanted to sprint | 20:25 |
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| fuzzyman | I'm staying for sprints | 20:25 |
| fuzzyman | not sure which ones though | 20:26 |
| pinner | TOPIC Social Programme | 20:26 |
| zeth | Mez: condition of the channel, read the small print, we still own your guns | 20:26 |
| pinner | In hand by the Three Musketeers | 20:26 |
| * Mez slaps zethj | 20:26 | |
| pinner | but no response yet from partners | 20:26 |
| pinner | probably because the geeks haven't told their SOHs | 20:27 |
| moreati | I must go also I'm afraid. | 20:27 |
| moreati | Night all | 20:27 |
| CMooney | night moreati | 20:27 |
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| pinner | And we've confirmed booking of Australian Bar for Monday and Tuesday evenings | 20:27 |
| tartley | by moreati | 20:28 |
| tartley | oh | 20:28 |
| pinner | Only extra thing I think is a guide to local attractions and hostelries, and I think they've done most of that for the Partners Programme | 20:29 |
| CMooney | I'm well chuffed with the partners programme, shame no one has signed up. Maybe one of those things that gets organised at the conference? | 20:29 |
| zeth | So with a publicity push, we might be able to get 30-40 more delegates | 20:29 |
| pinner | Yes, their Red Shirts should help, and we can push it at the Tutorials and the Opening Session | 20:29 |
| lac | I think that nobody has heard of the partners program. | 20:29 |
| pinner | lac: they can't have read their email then! | 20:30 |
| CMooney | lac: Understanable as the geeks other halves, would not have received the email! | 20:30 |
| pinner | lac: it was posted on the europython list | 20:31 |
| zeth | Maybe we can send it again | 20:31 |
| zeth | and put it in the blog | 20:31 |
| lac | maybe they cannot find how to sign up from the website. | 20:31 |
| lac | and need to navigate from there. | 20:31 |
| zeth | maybe fuzzyman could twitter it? Since I think that is how most the the delegates hear things ? | 20:31 |
| pinner | ACTION Blog the Partners Programme | 20:31 |
| fuzzyman | I'm happy to tweet pretty much anything - but only a small proportion of delegates will see that | 20:32 |
| CMooney | simpler sign up process, ie emphasise emailing my Mum rather than having to register on a wiki | 20:32 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner to email delegates with partners booked | 20:32 |
| pinner | yes, post said mail Mary, but we couldn't really say that in a blog I think | 20:33 |
| zeth | okay well we can make a blog post, and then you can tweet the link to that perhaps | 20:33 |
| fuzzyman | yes | 20:33 |
| fuzzyman | as should all twitterers here | 20:33 |
| zeth | yep | 20:33 |
| pinner | and we'll reflect it on the EP Twitter | 20:33 |
| zeth | we should also put it on the front page | 20:34 |
| zeth | of the site | 20:34 |
| pinner | ACTION Tweeters to tweet partners programme | 20:34 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner to put PP on site home page | 20:34 |
| pinner | TOPIC Any Other Business | 20:34 |
| pinner | None from me | 20:34 |
| tartley | me | 20:35 |
| tartley | One problem: My wife registered for tutorials only (no conference). She has a confirmation email, but scarily does not appear in the django tutorial delegates database. Zeth is helping me fix this for her, but obviously the issue is that we may have dropped other people through the cracks. Is there any way to tell? | 20:35 |
| dboddie_office | Who manages the europython mailing list? | 20:35 |
| zeth | I think partner is about to program me out of here. | 20:35 |
| fuzzyman | hehe | 20:35 |
| lac | I manage the ep list | 20:35 |
| dboddie_office | lac: Wu sent a mail about travel arrangements that may be stuck in your inbox. :-) | 20:35 |
| pinner | dboddie_office: lac, ghum, pinner, faassen | 20:36 |
| pinner | tartley: when did she register? | 20:36 |
| dboddie_office | lac: I see it's already in the archive! | 20:36 |
| tartley | ah | 20:36 |
| lac | no pending europython mails to approve | 20:37 |
| tartley | only yesterday. I thought it was longer ago than that. | 20:37 |
| tartley | (or at least her confirm email came through yesterday) | 20:37 |
| lac | I only got the confirm today. | 20:37 |
| pinner | tartley: the list I gave zeth was produced before. Have to do another! | 20:37 |
| zeth | tartley: I just added her to a list and added it to the system | 20:37 |
| zeth | she should be in now | 20:37 |
| zeth | she should have the email now | 20:38 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner to update tutorial delegate list to zeth | 20:38 |
| zeth | cool | 20:38 |
| tartley | zeth: thanks. | 20:38 |
| zeth | keep throwing them at me | 20:38 |
| tartley | pinner: I see. No danger of dropping people then. I am relieved. | 20:38 |
| Wu | dboddie_office: the mail arrived without problems, seems it got stuck for a while, probably some greylisting or something | 20:39 |
| pinner | tartley: (touching wood) the system seems reliable | 20:39 |
| Wu | (or perhaps lac approving them manually) | 20:39 |
| lac | I approve them manually, but fairly frequently. | 20:40 |
| lac | I first saw the travel suggestions at 7 a.m or something like that. | 20:40 |
| lac | made one, too ... | 20:40 |
| pinner | sometimes people post to the ep list without first subscribing: it's an open list, so they can subscribe (unlike europython-contact, for example) | 20:40 |
| pinner | Any more AOB? | 20:41 |
| lac | yes. | 20:41 |
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| lac | tobias rundström | 20:41 |
| lac | if he arrives in the airport at 9.55 can he make an 11.45 talk? | 20:41 |
| pinner | lac: yes | 20:42 |
| zeth | which airport? | 20:42 |
| zeth | Birmingham airport should be okay | 20:42 |
| lac | he is coming from sweden, so the big one | 20:42 |
| pinner | is it his talk, though? 'cos that's not conducive to a relaxed speaker | 20:42 |
| lac | it is | 20:42 |
| lac | but he has a problem. He has a 30 minute talk at 10.00 | 20:43 |
| lac | I propose we move that to the last day after the Vim plugin talk | 20:43 |
| tartley | I feel bad though. He asked to not be on the 1st ages ago, and I thought we had honoured that. I must have messed up when I checked through all the accumulated constraints one last time on you guys final schedule, towards the very end of the process | 20:43 |
| lac | but there are no later 45 minute slots than what he already has 11.45 on the 1st | 20:43 |
| fuzzyman | lac: when you say the big one you do mean the *Birmingham* big one right? | 20:44 |
| fuzzyman | not one of the London big ones... | 20:44 |
| lac | yes the birmingham big one | 20:44 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 20:44 |
| lac | so we could give him a 45 slot in open space land on the 2nd | 20:45 |
| lac | as an alternate. | 20:45 |
| tartley | I think that might be better, do you think the room can accomodate his expected audience? | 20:45 |
| zeth | if I arrived at Birmingham international at 9.55, and my bag came through alright, I personally could make it | 20:45 |
| zeth | at 11.45 | 20:46 |
| zeth | however there is no time to get lost | 20:46 |
| pinner | lac: we have the slot Andy Robinson has vacated on Day 1 which we can juggle with | 20:46 |
| CMooney | As long as he gets on the train he can't go far wrong. However if one of us (me?) meets him at the station we could make sure that he doesn't wander into the town centre. | 20:47 |
| zeth | CMooney: too much bother | 20:47 |
| pinner | lac: the Open Space room is quite small, we've changed it to the Band Room to make it more accessible, about 30 people | 20:47 |
| lac | ok, then swap mashing up the guardian with andy's vacted slot | 20:47 |
| zeth | CMooney: you cannot stand in new street all day waiting for people | 20:47 |
| lac | and schedule his 45 minute talk in LR1 at 9.30 | 20:48 |
| lac | how is that for a proposal? | 20:48 |
| zeth | So I think we are done as a group? | 20:48 |
| zeth | different people can chat, but I think we can declare the meeting over? | 20:48 |
| pinner | lac: looks good to me | 20:48 |
| lac | his second talk then at 11.30 again in LR1 | 20:48 |
| pinner | zeth: yes, if there's no more AOB, I'll count to 30... | 20:49 |
| lac | when you make the change let me know and I will mail him. | 20:49 |
| tartley | that looks good i think | 20:49 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next Meeting | 20:49 |
| lac | same bat time, same bat channel! | 20:49 |
| pinner | Same time tuesday June 23rd, OK | 20:49 |
| lac | I will be late. | 20:49 |
| tartley | ok | 20:49 |
| zeth | night all | 20:50 |
| CMooney | night, mmMMMM dinner. | 20:50 |
| lac | night all and take care | 20:50 |
| CMooney | Bye. | 20:50 |
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| pinner | DECISION Next meeting Tuesday June 23rd 17:00 BST, 18:00 CEST | 20:50 |
| pinner | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
| pinner | 'night all | 20:50 |
| zeth | pinner: you got your 3G card? | 20:50 |
| zeth | pinner: I thought we would be in the pub then? | 20:50 |
| tartley | bye all | 20:50 |
| zeth | with PyWM? | 20:51 |
| zeth | anyway work it out via email | 20:51 |
| pinner | zeth: yes, using it now, because of their network security | 20:51 |
| pinner | zeth: on Tuesday? we haven't made a decision, let's talk later this week | 20:51 |
| zeth | ok | 20:52 |
| tartley | bye all | 20:52 |
| tartley | thanks again zeth | 20:52 |
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| * pinner needs to go, before Amadeus security complain! | 20:52 | |
| pinner | thanks all! | 20:52 |
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| matti | UH. | 21:20 |
| matti | I am tired. | 21:20 |
| matti | Too much to do. | 21:20 |
| * dboddie_office knows how matti feels. | 21:33 | |
| matti | Do you? | 21:34 |
| matti | Are you over-worked, lonely geek from Poland living in quite hostile country? ;] | 21:34 |
| matti | I dobut it ;] | 21:34 |
| matti | ;p | 21:34 |
| matti | My brain is melting from hot and amount of utterly stupid meetings with sales people. | 21:35 |
| matti | Is there is such a thing like stupidity, then it was originally developed in sales department somewhere. | 21:35 |
| matti | ;] | 21:35 |
| matti | Engineering vs Sales. | 21:36 |
| matti | God. Kill me. | 21:36 |
| matti | ; | 21:36 |
| dboddie_office | What do you consider to be "hostile"? | 21:39 |
| matti | Try to be from Poland and live in the UK ;] | 21:40 |
| matti | ;D | 21:40 |
| matti | Believe me, that's not easy ;p | 21:40 |
| matti | Even thought I am a software engineer and physicist. | 21:40 |
| * dboddie_office sympathizes | 21:41 | |
| matti | People treat you like... [ add random unpleasant word you can think of... excluding colour pink... ] all the time ;] | 21:41 |
| matti | But hey! | 21:41 |
| matti | Nobody gives a monkey about others ;] | 21:42 |
| matti | That is the beauty of the modern society, isnt it? ; | 21:42 |
| matti | Sorry for whining. | 21:42 |
| dboddie_office | :-( | 21:42 |
| matti | I had very loooooooooong day. | 21:42 |
| matti | And after few hours in the same room with sales people. | 21:42 |
| dboddie_office | There are probably combinations of countries to be from and to live in. :-) | 21:42 |
| dboddie_office | Are they all English sales people? | 21:42 |
| matti | Trying to convince entire engineering that "new catchy" names for our software and so superb... I want to go outside and cry. | 21:43 |
| matti | Not, not all of them. | 21:43 |
| matti | But sales people share common thing among themselves. | 21:43 |
| matti | Their midset. | 21:44 |
| matti | ;d | 21:44 |
| matti | s/midset/mindset/ | 21:44 |
| matti | Anyway... | 21:44 |
| matti | Because of this I havent wrote a line of code today and... this means more work tomorrow. | 21:44 |
| matti | Wohooo... | 21:44 |
| matti | Exciting! | 21:44 |
| matti | ;D | 21:44 |
| * matti cries silently in the corner... | 21:44 | |
| dboddie_office | It could be worse. You could be working with Marketing people. | 21:45 |
| * dboddie_office hides | 21:45 | |
| matti | I do! | 21:45 |
| * matti pokes dboddie_office with a pointed stick. | 21:45 | |
| matti | ;D | 21:45 |
| dboddie_office | Or lawyers... | 21:46 |
| matti | Oh God now. | 21:46 |
| matti | Stop. | 21:46 |
| matti | Pain. | 21:46 |
| matti | Horror. | 21:46 |
| matti | :( | 21:46 |
| * matti is about to poke his own eyes out. | 21:46 | |
| matti | I remember today. | 21:46 |
| matti | My colleague asked one of the sales peope... a girl... quite good looking as well. | 21:47 |
| matti | "what do you do all day in your department" | 21:47 |
| matti | And em, she want back to him... | 21:47 |
| matti | "we do stuff" | 21:47 |
| matti | I could help myself and stop laughing. | 21:47 |
| matti | ;d | 21:47 |
| matti | Couldn't | 21:48 |
| matti | God I cant spell today. | 21:48 |
| matti | ;] | 21:49 |
| matti | Anyway... | 21:49 |
| matti | Its all unicorns and rainbow as I am back to my lovely empty flat. | 21:49 |
| matti | With nobody to talk to. | 21:49 |
| matti | Well... besides my plant ;] | 21:49 |
| dboddie_office | It looks like there's a break in the weather here, so perhaps I should call it a day. | 21:50 |
| matti | Good choice Sir! | 21:50 |
| matti | Enjoy your evening ;] | 21:50 |
| dboddie_office | And you! | 21:51 |
| matti | Thank you. | 21:51 |
| SafPlusPlus | I haven't seen one around, but is there a more hires version of the europython logo around? | 22:51 |
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