IRC log of #europython for Tuesday, 2009-06-02

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tartleyyo yo yo18:58
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moreatievening all18:59
tartleyhey moreati18:59
moreatitartley, I have some more speaker photos, would you prefer I upload them directly, or send them to you?19:00
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tartleythanks, I ended up sendiung all mine en masse to...19:01
tartley<lookup>...19:01
tartleyoh hang on19:02
tartleyalex@moreati.org.uk19:02
tartleyyou19:02
tartley:-)19:02
tartleyRight. Clearly I don't know where they should go then19:02
tartleyI've got a bunch, and I'm accumulating updates from my speakers, and passing the lot on to anyone who sounds interested at any time19:03
moreatitartley: okay, I'll check my inbox, send me the rest and I'll collate19:04
tartleyhttp://tartley.com/files/mugshots/19:04
moreatievening Mr Pinner19:04
tartleyhang on, I have some more in my inbox I think, I'll do another ftp iteration and ping you moreati19:04
moreatitartley: okay19:04
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qwrighthello19:05
nickbookerhello19:05
moreatihi19:05
qwrighthi alex!19:05
moreatiHow are you both?19:05
tartleyhi there all19:05
nickbookerfine thanks19:05
qwrighthi tartley19:05
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qwrightmoreati: busy19:06
moreatiland rover still?19:06
john_G'd evening19:06
qwrightmoreati: yes - one day last week...19:06
moreatijohn_: is your O key broken :)19:06
john_moreati: haha19:07
moreatibrb19:07
moreatiI discovered last night that I'm banned from #python, no idea why19:10
john_moreati: banned? in what way?19:10
john_#startmeeting19:11
nickbookerPRESENT19:11
john_PRESENT19:11
qwrightPRESENT19:11
moreatiPRESENT19:11
moreatijohn_: nm, it's working now. Might have been a stale IP ban19:12
lacPRESENT19:12
tartleyPRESENT19:12
john_TOPIC Apologies19:12
john_none from me19:13
john_TOPIC Review Actions from Last Meeting19:14
john_Actions mostly carried out successfully, except...19:14
john_Steve Holden didn't want to do a speed sprint as it was too short notice19:15
john_Any other comments on last meeting?19:15
qwrightfor minutes see http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingNumber1319:15
john_TOPIC Registration19:15
john_Report is on wiki.europython.eu/Organisers as usual19:16
john_332 registered, 6 are duplicates (tutorials etc), giving 326 registered19:16
qwrightimplies about 430 attendees ultimately?19:17
john_Added to wiki report is list of speakers not registered19:17
dboddie_officePRESENT19:17
moreatiCertainly 400+19:17
lacAPOLOGIES:  Jacob is not here.  I have guests here for dinner and will only be paying so-so attention to this channel as I am cooking dinner19:17
john_there are 37 of them, but19:17
john_some are because they have not used same email address for registration and talk submission, eg all Resolver people19:18
john_lac: what's on the menu19:18
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john_eh?19:19
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tartleydisconnection pasta! I don't want any!19:19
pinnerPRESENT19:19
pinnerAny more on registration?19:20
moreatino19:20
pinnerNow planning on attendance of 400 for food and goodies19:20
pinnerTOPIC Tutorials19:20
pinnerI've asked Zeth to do a bookings system based on last year's PyCon UK one so we can allocate rooms etc19:21
pinnerare you here Zeth?19:21
moreatiIt would appear not19:22
pinnerThe main thing is that we need to circulate tutors telling them what they need to do for us to pay them19:22
pinnernamely, we pay them at the rate of £25 per student per day,19:23
moreatiwas there a stock email from last year that we can cull?19:23
lacmenu:  lamb leg bourgignon19:23
pinnerand they must provide good quality notes for the students in plenty of time for us to get them printed or on a CD or whatever19:24
pinnerlac: nice19:24
pinnermoreati: I don't know, but it wouldn't take long to do a new one19:24
pinnertartley: is this something you could do?19:25
qwrighthave phoned Zeth. He is in King's Heath (ie forgot! => apologies), however is confident about re-vamping the booking system.19:25
nickbookerAPOLOGIES zeth19:26
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pinnercan't make any progress on this item as right people are not listening, put in abeyance...19:27
pinnerTOPIC Talks19:27
tartleyoh, sorry19:27
tartleyback19:27
moreatipinner I have the text for tutors from last year will post to list19:27
pinnerschedule published, everyone happy?19:27
tartleyCan I draft email for starters, yes of course. Sorry.19:27
dboddie_officepinner: Yes, it looks good.19:28
pinnertartley: yes please, get last year's letter from moreati, OK?19:28
pinnerbut a bit full!19:28
moreatitartley: I'll email you now19:28
tartleymoreati: thx19:28
pinnerOK, so what we need now is session chairs and a captain19:29
pinnerI asked on Twitter, but no response19:29
tartleyDoes being a session chair compliment or conflict with helping audio recording?19:29
pinnerWe could ask Richard Taylor, or Tim Couper to be captain again, unless you know anyone else19:30
moreatitartley: there is some overlap19:30
pinnertartley: complement19:30
tartleywell alright then.19:30
pinnertartley: but probably best kept separate unless absolutely necessary19:30
tartleyah!19:30
tartleywell alright consider me a last resort then.19:31
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pinnerI put the beginnings of a SessionTeam wiki page, from PyConUK 08, but it needs all the slots putting in for volunteer chairs to grab19:32
pinnerAny volunteers for setting this up?19:32
moreatipinner: I'll do that19:32
pinnertartley: Thanks, but on principle we should be getting more people involved instead of doing more and more ourselves!19:33
pinnermoreati: Thanks19:33
tartleyalright. I'll ask around the Resolver office, f2f might elicit better response19:33
dboddie_officeIs the SessionTeam page on the current Wiki?19:33
pinnerACTION moreati to update SessionTeam page19:33
qwrightdboddie_office: yes19:33
pinnerACTION tartley to mail tutors with our requirements19:34
qwrightdboddie_office: http://wiki.europython.eu/SessionTeam19:34
dboddie_officeqwright: Yes. Maybe that needs linking to from somewhere.19:35
pinnerShall I ask Richard and/or Tim to be session captain?19:35
qwrightdboddie_office: currently it's linked to from the "helping" page19:35
lacsessin chairs should not have audio visual responsibilities19:35
lacbecause audio etc. can take all of your attention.19:36
pinnerACTION pinner to ask Richard and/or Tim to be session captain19:36
qwrightlac: especially when the batteries run out!19:36
dboddie_officeqwright: OK, I see it now. I was looking on the During page.19:36
pinnerlac: agreed, but if no one else is available, needs must, and audio is very easy, I'm told.19:37
qwrightdboddie_office: good stuff...19:37
pinnerTOPIC Swag Bags19:37
pinnerWe're intending to have either cotton (with gusset) bags, or (as I just got a special price) jute without gusset19:38
pinnerprinted one side only, short handles so they don't drag on the floor19:38
pinnerOK?19:39
moreatijute is another name for hessian?19:39
qwrightI prefer gussets unless the jute is extra-cheap19:39
pinnermoreati: yes19:39
moreatiEither is fine by me19:39
pinnerwith gussets they're more useful as a shopping bag after19:39
pinnerOK, leave that with us, we'll decide on price!19:40
moreatiokay19:40
pinnert-shirts, we're proposing to have good quality Fruit of the Loom, two colours for delegates ('heather' and black), transfer printed with the stock EP logo on front19:41
qwrightheather = sort of grey19:41
qwrightor light grey19:42
pinnerthen the same for Crew, in burgundy or blue, with a separate transfer 'CREW' under19:42
pinnerOK?19:42
moreatiGrey and blue sound good to me19:42
lacfruit of the loom t-shirts sound good.  any pockets?19:43
tartleyAll sounds great to me.19:43
pinnermoreati: that's grey and black for delegates19:43
qwrightmoreati: did you mean blue for crew?19:43
moreatiqwright: yes, no burgandy please19:44
pinnerlac:we can have a single breast pocket, but we thought not: did you want them?19:44
lacnot particularly, but I have already been asked.19:44
pinnerI ordered the logo transfers today, but we needn't order the shirts yet19:45
lacby delegates.19:45
pinnerlac: I though pockets might go well with the logos19:45
pinnerlac: did they want pockets?19:46
lacyes.19:46
lacor rather 2 did and 1 I am not sure about.19:46
moreatit-shirts with pockets... interesting19:46
pinnerlac: correction,  I thought pockets might NOT go well with the logo19:46
lacsomebody who can see them has to decide this.19:47
pinnerand q has just pointed out that they are not t shirts but POLO shirts19:47
lac:)19:47
lacaha!19:47
lacI like polo shirts even better19:47
qwrightwe can get some samples and take photos before a final decision19:48
lacbut you need to take a look at them, and then judge.19:48
pinnerOK, if you're happy leave us negotiating with the suppliers, who are 100 yards/metres away19:48
lacI am happy with this.19:48
pinnerOK, hand outs.19:48
moreatiqwright: I trust your implicitly in all matters sartorial19:48
pinnerDid anyone see Yusdi's proposal for the programme booklet before he went on holiday?19:49
qwrightmoreati: am not sure whether I should be flattered or not!!!19:49
pinnerIt was on (I think) the improve list, we should all have seen it19:50
tartleyyes, I saw it. from the 29th?19:51
moreatiMy first thought. Why bother with folders? Put the material straight into the bags.19:51
pinnersorry, he posted it to me and zeth only19:51
tartleyoh19:51
pinnertartley: something different19:52
tartleyyep, it is. sorry to distract19:52
pinnerjust forwarded it to moreati and tartley19:53
moreatiI love it19:54
pinnerit looks comprehensive, but complicated. I wonder if he'll be able to get it done in time19:54
moreatiThough 2 columns may get cramped with 6 tracks19:54
moreatipinner: depends, is he laying it out by hand or is script driven?19:55
pinnermoreati: dunno19:55
qwrightcould be laid out landscape perhaps to get all tracks in19:56
pinnerIf he manages to get it done in time, great (and Steve Hawkes has offered to help him), but I think we should have a fall back position19:56
pinnerNamely, if it's not done in time we just put in the delegate lists and timetable like last year,19:57
qwrightzeth has also offered some input19:57
tartleyI wonder if the timetable needs the talk descriptions on it19:57
tartleyIt's handy, but I think if the cost is that not all tracks can fit on one page19:57
tartleythen it's worth discussing the trade off19:57
pinnerso we need to make sure we have the backup report software ready19:57
qwrightit's very handy to have, but it will get to be rather big19:58
moreatifrom the text of his email, I infer that he'll be doing it manually. He intends to start when he returns, and it'll be a squeeze. He probably isn't aware how much these schedules change.19:58
tartleyI'd be super annoyed if I had to flip pages just to see 'what's on next'19:58
tartleyfor every session19:58
pinnerbut we can't discuss it until Yusdi is back from his hols19:58
pinnertartley: the one day per page is more useful, when you're flipping talks (as opposed to flipping first homes)19:59
pinnerProposal:20:00
pinner1. Let Yusdi continue with his programme, looks good!20:01
tartleyyeah: , the look'n'feel of it is great. clean lined and straightforward and readable.20:01
pinner2. Make sure we have backup delegate reports etc20:01
pinner3. Print separate one day per page schedules anyway20:01
pinnerVOTE on above proposal20:02
nickbooker+120:02
qwright+1,+1,+120:02
tartleyha. I don't quite understand the rationale for (3)20:02
moreati+120:02
tartleycan we do a quick overview of that before I throw my vote on the pile20:02
tartley?20:02
qwright(3) represents a fall-back if all else fails20:02
tartleyI see.20:03
tartley+1 then20:03
tartleythanks Q20:03
moreatitartley and we can do it at the very last minute, with an onsite printer20:03
pinnerENDVOTE20:03
qwrighttartley: my pleasure!!20:03
tartleymoreati: sounds even better then. thx20:03
pinnerTOPIC Publicity20:04
pinnerMartin has disappeared.20:04
pinnerI got something put on python.org, and it seems to have resulted in a booking spike AFTER Early Bird ended. perverse20:05
pinneralthough registrations are good, the more we get the better, especially as sponsorship is down (see later)20:06
pinnernick got something on the Ubuntu podcast, a EP competition! http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org20:07
moreatioh, nice job nickbooker20:07
nickbookerthx ;)20:08
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moreatiI just thgouht, I need to check whether linkedin had anything, I'll check later20:09
pinnerfuzzyman: hello michael!20:09
fuzzyman Hello everyone - sorry I'm late20:09
fuzzymanPRESENT20:09
pinneranyway, we all need to publicise as much as possible...20:09
pinnerfuzzyman: how much publicity have we in the MS world, with all the IronPython stuff this year?20:10
fuzzymanEuroPython will appear in this weeks MSDN Flash developer magazine20:10
fuzzyman(Microsoft email publication)20:10
pinnergreat!20:10
fuzzymanPlus is on DeveloperFusion or whatever it is called20:10
pinnerOK, looks good.20:11
pinnerany more ideas?20:12
qwrightwhat about http://events.theregister.co.uk/20:12
pinnerqwright: are you volunteering?20:12
moreatiqwright: I'm just signing up to that now20:12
qwrightpinner: well done Alex!!20:12
qwrightalso we could have another go at the LUGS20:13
pinnerACTION moreati to publicise on theregister20:13
pinnerthat would be something for Zeth20:13
pinnerACTION zeth to publicise on LUGS20:14
pinnerTOPIC Tech Team20:14
pinnerI think the adsl and wireless is in hand20:15
pinnerand audio recording is in hand (ciaran/zeth)20:15
qwrightHave progressed extra adsl - need to place orders this week20:15
qwrightneed to do work on wiki20:15
pinnerMichael Sparks has volunteered (but only tentatively) for a limited amount of video duty20:16
qwrightneed site visit at CBSO site visit20:16
qwrightjust one site visit!!20:16
pinnerand I have a friend who may be able to do a little, eg cover keynotes or lightning talks20:16
pinnerbut I think video will be very limited20:17
pinnerwe need a Power monkey to make sure we have lots of power extensions for laptops, and maybe a laptop charging station20:17
pinnerI suggest we ask Keith White, and offer him free entry as he's broke20:18
pinnerif told what to do he's very good20:18
pinnerprojectors, we discussed last time, I think we agreed to buy one projector20:19
qwrightwe did20:19
pinnerand we have two more, one from PyCon UK and a small one from Linux Emporium20:19
pinnerthen for the ABH we must hire the big one20:20
pinnerwhich means we need two more, and three more on Monday (no ABH then)20:21
pinnerlac: can you bring your little one?20:21
pinnerand I can probably borrow the UKUUG projector20:21
lacyes, i can bring it.20:21
pinnerwhich would leave one short: maybe we need to buy 220:21
pinnerlac: great20:22
qwrightjust buy two more20:22
pinnerbudget permitting, we'll buy two projectors I think, if not we'll have to do some more scrounging...20:23
pinnerTOPIC Sponsorship20:23
pinnerThe PSF have paid20:23
pinnerNo decision yet from Microsoft, Sun or Canonical despite reminders20:24
pinnerDisappointing as they sponsored PyCon US pretty well20:24
qwrightwe still need to invoice infrae, resolver etc..20:25
qwrightalso do chasing of Nokia ...20:25
pinnerSome others (eg Pragma 2000, Resolver) have reduced their sponsorship from last year or PyCon US20:25
pinnerso it's not brilliant just now20:25
pinnernot really bad though20:26
moreatiSorry to cut short, I need to go now.20:27
qwrightmoreati: byeee20:27
moreatiI'll catch up on the log when I get home20:27
pinnerdboddie_office: any chance of Qt sponsorship? : they sponsored PyCon IT pretty well.20:27
tartleyResolver MD Giles said he sent a message (yesterday?) offering 500GBP I think ... did that reach you John?20:28
pinnertartley: yes £500, agreed a week or two back, we haven't had time to invoice it yet.20:28
tartleyalright, thanks. He just wanted to check all was well. Thanks20:29
pinnertartley: yes, all OK, just short of time...20:29
pinnerIt's a job to know what else to do, especially as there are so many other things to do now...20:30
pinnerSo, as far as I'm concerned, I'll remind Canonical, MS and Sun again20:31
pinnerfuzzyman: have you gathered that Microsoft are dragging their heels over sponsorship, despite so many MS things going on?20:32
dboddie_officepinner: I can put you in touch with someone.20:32
pinnerfuzzyman: Have you got any influential MS contacts?20:32
fuzzymanpinner: I haven't heard anything from Microsoft on sponsorship at all20:32
fuzzymanpinner: I know Michael Lonnon - isn't he the responsible man20:32
fuzzyman?20:32
fuzzymanwant me to chase him?20:32
pinnerdboddie_office: thanks20:33
fuzzymanI know things are tighter all round at Microsoft this year20:33
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pinnerfuzzyman: yes, I hope you have better luck than I, half the time he doesn't respond to mails or phone calls (last one today): maybe he has no budget20:33
fuzzymanpinner: I have UK Microsoft office contacts, I can copy them in20:34
fuzzymanpinner: that might give him an incentive to reply20:34
pinnermy heart bleeds for Microsoft, maybe it will all be better when Windows 7 is released20:34
pinnerOK, we can't do a lot more there20:35
pinnerdboddie_office: maybe you can mail me with the contact20:35
pinnerTOPIC Social Programme20:35
dboddie_officepinner: at gmail or another address?20:35
pinnerdboddie_office: gmail20:35
pinnerWe've booked the Australian Bar basement for Monday and Tuesday evenings20:36
pinnerIt is cheap (£50), capacity 600, has beer and food, including kangaroo burgers20:37
fuzzymansounds good20:37
pinnerand I don't think we need do a lot more, other than tell people where else to go, especially that the only volunteers we have are ourselves20:37
qwrightkangaroo burgers?!20:38
fuzzymannever had kangaroo20:38
pinnerwe have three ladies doing a Partners Programme20:38
fuzzymanostrich is nice though20:38
pinnerfuzzyman: tried last year at UKUUG Spring 2008, at same place, was tasty20:38
qwrightnot sure about Fosters20:38
fuzzymanhehe20:39
fuzzymanfosters is goddawful20:39
fuzzymanthe Australian don't drink it and they laugh at us for drinking it20:39
pinnermaybe we should have a low key affair on Saturday and/or Sunday evening, but I have no ideas20:39
fuzzymanthat sounds good for tutorial attendees20:39
fuzzymanmaybe just Sunday20:40
fuzzymanwhat about the place we went last year for the first evening?20:40
fuzzymansmaller capacity20:40
pinnerlac: do you fancy a Hindu meal on Sunday evening?20:40
pinnerfuzzyman: not open on Sundays, OK for Saturday but we'd have to book20:41
fuzzymanright20:41
fuzzymanI quite fancy a Hindu ;-)20:41
pinnerAlso the Jazz Festival starts Friday, OK for sprinters20:41
pinnerfuzzyman: what a Hindu female?20:42
fuzzymanmeal of course...20:42
pinnerTOPIC Any Other Business20:42
pinnerThe Bletchley Park talk is confirmed with Sue Black, we're paying for her train fare and hotel20:43
fuzzymanit's a good talk20:44
fuzzymanI heard it at ACCU20:44
tartleyGiles is asking me can we get our logo on the mainpage list of sponsors? He's happy to cut a cheque tomorrow if that helps.20:44
pinnerAnd we need to consider next year: it would be good to announce date of EP2010 at Ep200920:44
pinnertartley: I have anticipated your request and hope to do it tonight, if I don't fall asleep20:45
qwrightI'll send him an invoice tomorrow!!20:45
pinnermoreati: we were going to check price/availability of ICC in case it's viable20:45
pinnermoreati: can you visit with me this week?20:46
pinnersorry, moreati has gone!20:46
tartleythanks john, there is a logo on http://resolversystems.com if you don't have one to hand20:46
qwrighttartley: we do have one...20:46
pinnertartley: I have them from last year, words as well20:47
pinnerTOPIC Next Meeting20:47
mattiHi.20:47
pinnerI suggest weekly meetings now20:47
qwrightTuesday 9th June at 1700?20:47
pinnermatti: hello, welcome, but we're just finishing!20:47
mattiOh dear.20:48
mattiI just came back from work ;]20:48
mattiWho knows Nigel Cohen?20:48
pinnermatti: Nigel has registered, he came last year but I wouldn't recognise him20:49
pinnerare we agreed on another meeting in one week?20:49
qwright+120:49
tartleysure20:49
nickbookerY20:50
pinnerDECISION Next Meeting Tuesday 9th June at 17:00 BST, 18:00 CEST20:50
pinner#endmeeting20:51
mattipinner: I've answered this message from zeth "Volunteer needed for collecting EuroPython talk outlines and slides"20:51
mattipinner: And then he responded.20:51
pinnermatti: zeth is not here, he was out buying a house20:52
mattiOh sorry.20:52
mattiI mean, Nigel responded.20:52
pinnermatti: best to email him at theology@gmal.com20:52
pinnermatti:  theology@gmail.com20:52
mattiIs that Nigel's mail?20:53
pinnermatti: sorry to be rude, but I have to go home...20:53
mattipinner: That is all right ;]20:53
mattipinner: Thank you for help and enjoy your evening ;]20:53
pinnermatti: no, Zeth's mail, Nigel's is gnc@softwaredesign.co.uk20:54
matti;]20:54
tartleyalex is gone isn't he? I'll email him.20:54
* pinner is packing up, thanks everyone for coming!20:54
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lactake care now.20:55
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