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| zeth | Hello pinner | 18:56 |
| pinner | G'day! | 18:56 |
| zeth | G'day! Put another tinny on the barbie, sport. | 18:56 |
| pinner | zeth: Fosters has to be cold, not hot, so you can't taste it ;-) | 18:58 |
| zeth | lol | 18:59 |
| zeth | Boo dreimark LarstiQ nickbooker ronny voidspace mgedmin pedronis povbot Tv | 19:00 |
| nickbooker | Boo zeth | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | one of those is not like the other | 19:01 |
| zeth | ping moretati | 19:01 |
| zeth | ping moreati | 19:01 |
| zeth | any other usernames we can wake up? | 19:01 |
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| pinner | tartley? voidspace? | 19:02 |
| zeth | Hello moreati | 19:02 |
| moreati | hi all | 19:02 |
| pinner | hello Alex | 19:02 |
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| zeth | Hello qwright | 19:03 |
| qwright | hi zeth ! | 19:03 |
| zeth | So I think we will have about 100 talks, keynotes and other events | 19:03 |
| zeth | 100 things | 19:03 |
| pinner | #startmeeting | 19:03 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| zeth | we can use that somehow in publicity | 19:04 |
| qwright | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| zeth | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| nickbooker | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| moreati | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| pinner | TOPIC Apologies | 19:04 |
| pinner | I have not received any apologies | 19:04 |
| lac | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| pinner | Good evening, Laura | 19:05 |
| lac | I don't know where Jacob is right now. but he is not at home ... | 19:05 |
| pinner | TOPIC Review Actions from Last Meeting | 19:05 |
| pinner | Talk submissions wre | 19:05 |
| lac | tartley is coming, he emailed to me earlier. | 19:06 |
| pinner | Talk submissions were closed | 19:06 |
| pinner | but the submissions page remains | 19:06 |
| pinner | so we can tell latecomers we want where to submit | 19:06 |
| pinner | Budget - we have got a few more of the costs refined, but moreati and I did not have time to update the spreadsheet | 19:07 |
| pinner | Any more carry overs from last meeting? | 19:08 |
| pinner | I'll take that as no then... | 19:08 |
| pinner | TOPIC Registration | 19:08 |
| pinner | 187 delegates have registered, 62 for tutorials | 19:09 |
| pinner | there is the usual summary at wiki.europython.eu/Organisers | 19:09 |
| lac | I have run into 2 questions about registration | 19:09 |
| lac | people don't want to register for tutorials until they can see what are being offered. | 19:10 |
| lac | But they also don't want to lose the early bird rate. | 19:10 |
| lac | Can we at least list the offered tutorials asap? | 19:10 |
| pinner | lac : that is why there is an early bird rate! | 19:10 |
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| zeth | Yeah early bird rate is the "trust us and hope for the best rate" | 19:10 |
| tartley | sorry I'm late, work intrudes. | 19:10 |
| ghum | PRESENT | 19:10 |
| tartley | PRESENT | 19:10 |
| pinner | we could publish the timetable so far - europython.eu/talks/timetable | 19:11 |
| lac | that would be a help. | 19:11 |
| pinner | also, we're due to publish the programme on 14th May... | 19:11 |
| lac | its the tutorials that matter the most. | 19:11 |
| pinner | ... foloowing which we will finish Early Bird at some point, I suggest 2 weeks later | 19:12 |
| pinner | which give people the chance to get the EB rate, even after the programme is known | 19:12 |
| lac | People think that EB is going away 14 May | 19:12 |
| lac | this must be written down on the site someplace. | 19:12 |
| ghum | why should'nt EB go away on May 14 ? | 19:13 |
| pinner | so shall we make it 23rd May?, giving them over a week? | 19:14 |
| zeth | speakers get the speakers rate all the time | 19:14 |
| lac | what about students? do they get the student rate all the time? | 19:14 |
| zeth | well lets agree programme published + 1 week, in case the programme slips | 19:14 |
| zeth | (just in case) | 19:14 |
| pinner | lac: yes, students are forever students | 19:14 |
| zeth | lol | 19:14 |
| voidspace | PRESENT | 19:14 |
| voidspace | LATE | 19:14 |
| voidspace | SORRY | 19:14 |
| zeth | voidspace: hello! | 19:15 |
| tartley | hi fuzzy | 19:15 |
| pinner | Hello fuzzy | 19:15 |
| lac | and FUNNY too, fuzzyman :) | 19:15 |
| voidspace | hello all | 19:15 |
| qwright | hi! | 19:15 |
| ghum | again: what is the bad thing | 19:16 |
| pinner | VOTE Extend Early Bird Rate until 24th May | 19:16 |
| ghum | wehn EB goes away as programm apperas | 19:16 |
| ghum | -1 | 19:16 |
| zeth | pinner: have you at all done a comparision on bookings vs speakers? | 19:16 |
| zeth | to see how many speakers haven't booked yet? | 19:17 |
| pinner | zeth: no | 19:17 |
| zeth | if it is a lot of them, then we are doing well at this point | 19:17 |
| zeth | if it is none of them, then not so well | 19:17 |
| tartley | if you have the list of bookings I could do the compare tonight, if that's helpful | 19:17 |
| zeth | If we have 287 delegates including speakers, we don't need to extend EB | 19:18 |
| zeth | if we only have 187 dels including speakers | 19:18 |
| zeth | then that is a big difference | 19:18 |
| tartley | +0 // I don't know enough about the considerations. | 19:18 |
| pinner | we have a vote in progress, fellas, vote +1 0 or -1 please | 19:18 |
| tartley | 0 | 19:18 |
| pinner | zeth: it's nearer 187 + speakers | 19:19 |
| zeth | +-0 don't really mind | 19:19 |
| voidspace | 0 | 19:19 |
| lac | I don't want to solve this problem this way. | 19:19 |
| zeth | lets talk about it more for five mins? | 19:19 |
| pinner | 0 | 19:19 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 19:19 |
| tartley | lac: you're voting against having a vote? | 19:19 |
| lac | I don't want to make a program, then publish it, then extend the EB toi after that. | 19:19 |
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| pinner | DECISION Early Bird rate not extended | 19:20 |
| lac | I want to make a list of all the talks, and tutorials. Publish that, not as a program. | 19:20 |
| jacob22|home | PRESENT | 19:20 |
| pinner | lac: you have that already - europython.eu/talks | 19:20 |
| zeth | ? | 19:21 |
| lac | I want everybody to have that | 19:21 |
| pinner | lac: sorry, europython.eu/talks/talk_abstracts | 19:21 |
| lac | and dates for Tutorials | 19:21 |
| pinner | lac: all we have to do is link to it when you're happy with the contents | 19:21 |
| lac | I want you to link to it before I am happy with the contents. | 19:21 |
| lac | I want to be able to keep changing the contents as the speakers send me updates to their abstracts | 19:22 |
| zeth | How is that list generated? From the pickle? | 19:22 |
| pinner | lac: are you happy with these tutorial dates - europython.eu/talks/timetable | 19:22 |
| pinner | zeth: read your mail! | 19:22 |
| lac | but I want something available now for people to use when deciding how to book thier plane tickets | 19:22 |
| lac | persistent objects with ZODB shouldn't change rooms in the middle | 19:23 |
| zeth | pinner: sorry, I talk long weekend off computers, let me have a look | 19:23 |
| pinner | lac: only approved talks are on the web page, maybe we should finish approvals, then make what we have public | 19:24 |
| lac | otherwise I am fine with it | 19:24 |
| pinner | zeth: it's generated from the pickles, there is a build script in ep2009site/talk_build | 19:24 |
| zeth | cool | 19:25 |
| zeth | Agree with pinner 17:30, lets get more of the talks approved, then announce the talk abstracts | 19:26 |
| zeth | and perhaps last ditch early bird | 19:26 |
| pinner | OK. let's aim at making it public at the end of the week, which will give us time to finish approvals and put one or two other things right | 19:26 |
| lac | tartley and I were going to do the final approving tonight after the EP meeting. All of you are welcome to help | 19:26 |
| tartley | heh | 19:26 |
| zeth | cool lac, I am here all night | 19:26 |
| moreati | pinner: would you like assistance at Clockwork on Thursday evening? | 19:26 |
| lac | Thank you, this sounds great to me. | 19:27 |
| pinner | moreati: I'll be in Durham... | 19:27 |
| tartley | pinner: I studied at Durham, and it's lovely. So there. | 19:27 |
| pinner | Apart from the approvals, I think the main issue is the speaker photographs | 19:27 |
| pinner | tartley: agreed! | 19:27 |
| pinner | zeth: have you had the edited pictures from steve? | 19:28 |
| zeth | No I'll chase that up | 19:28 |
| zeth | I think I can work out his contact details | 19:28 |
| moreati | I don't see a problem publishing without photos, can't we use a generic head silhouet (sp) as a placeholder? | 19:28 |
| voidspace | that's fairly normal | 19:29 |
| voidspace | do you need me to contact Jim Hugunin / Cory Doctrow to get pictures? | 19:29 |
| zeth | The deal was he could book at speaker rate if he edited 90*2 photos | 19:29 |
| lac | Indeed it encourages people to submit their real photos | 19:29 |
| pinner | So if the refinements are done (mostly) tonight, lets make it live sooner rather than later, like tomorrow... | 19:29 |
| zeth | as soon as we have decisions on all the talks | 19:30 |
| zeth | otherwise we will confuse submitters if their talk is not on there | 19:30 |
| pinner | zeth: he told me it was mostly done | 19:30 |
| lac | the sooner it is live the happier that the people who are talking to me will be. And the important thing is to make a public announcement that it is live in all the usual places | 19:30 |
| lac | so that these worried people will stop sending me mail. | 19:30 |
| pinner | OK... | 19:30 |
| zeth | yeah, that same annoucement should remind about early bird also (assuming we have not closed it) | 19:30 |
| pinner | Assuming the approvals can be done tonight... | 19:31 |
| zeth | yep | 19:31 |
| zeth | it is not actually *that* early anymore, the conference will soon be upon us | 19:31 |
| pinner | VOTE Make Talks Pages Live Tomorow 6th May | 19:31 |
| lac | +1 | 19:31 |
| zeth | +1 | 19:32 |
| moreati | +1 | 19:32 |
| tartley | +! | 19:32 |
| tartley | +1 | 19:32 |
| ghum | +1 | 19:32 |
| voidspace | +1 | 19:32 |
| nickbooker | +1 | 19:32 |
| lac | great! I get a nice birthday present! | 19:32 |
| qwright | +1 | 19:32 |
| pinner | ENDVOTE | 19:32 |
| zeth | (In parliament, they need a decending view to make a vote) | 19:32 |
| zeth | (dissenting) | 19:32 |
| zeth | (might save time, in future) | 19:32 |
| pinner | DECISION Make Talks Pages Live 6th May | 19:32 |
| pinner | ACTION pinner to make talks pages live | 19:33 |
| zeth | Happy Birthday then lac | 19:33 |
| zeth | (in advance) | 19:33 |
| pinner | which kind of covers a lot of... | 19:33 |
| lac | thank you. | 19:33 |
| pinner | TOPIC Talks | 19:33 |
| tartley | righty. | 19:33 |
| pinner | Software is essentially complete | 19:33 |
| lac | I've sent my mails out to my speakers. Only got a so-so response back. Many people are at EuroDjangoCOn and busy this week | 19:34 |
| pinner | and we've just voted to publish tomorrow... | 19:34 |
| lac | have all of you other champions mailed your sheep? | 19:34 |
| tartley | I've just finished sending mine today | 19:34 |
| tartley | but | 19:34 |
| pinner | I'm delinquent with my few mails | 19:34 |
| tartley | we have 8 or so new submissions which haven't been assigned yet | 19:34 |
| voidspace | I'm not aware of shepherding anyone | 19:35 |
| qwright | I am also delinquent | 19:35 |
| moreati | ditto | 19:35 |
| tartley | lac and I and whoever else sticks around will assign them after this | 19:35 |
| voidspace | I assume nothing was expected of me? | 19:35 |
| tartley | voidspace: correct | 19:35 |
| voidspace | great | 19:35 |
| pinner | TOPIC Publicity | 19:35 |
| pinner | lac: Happy Birthday! | 19:36 |
| lac | pinner: qwright: shall tartley and I take those few off your hands? | 19:36 |
| pinner | lac: have you received the posters for PyCon Tre? | 19:36 |
| lac | yes the posters arrived yesterday. | 19:36 |
| pinner | lac: leave me with Luke Leighton, I'm happy to be relieved of the rest :-) | 19:36 |
| zeth | if most of the talks are approved, then with the tutorials, keynotes, plenaries and so on, then we have over 100 things, that could make a good point in publicity | 19:37 |
| lac | God, it was Luke I didn't want to get, so this is fine with me | 19:37 |
| pinner | Are we going to offer the voucher at PyCon IT? | 19:37 |
| pinner | because PyCon IT have not been forthcoming with reciprocal vouchers so far | 19:37 |
| pinner | lac: I do know Luke, so in a slightly better position to deal with him, and I have already spoken to him by phone | 19:38 |
| lac | I think its good publicity anyway, so offer them free passes. 2. but that's just my opinion | 19:39 |
| zeth | well we could offer a free entry, not necessarily free hotel | 19:40 |
| pinner | lac: Let's make it the same as PyCon US - one voucher, free conference admission and 4 nights hotel | 19:40 |
| pinner | which makes it worth having. | 19:40 |
| pinner | If we don't get one back from them, let's not give them one again... | 19:41 |
| zeth | hotel as in ETAP? | 19:41 |
| moreati | agreed | 19:41 |
| pinner | zeth: yeah, cheapy hotel | 19:41 |
| zeth | cool | 19:41 |
| zeth | agreed | 19:41 |
| pinner | DECISION Do voucher for PyCon IT, lac to present it for fund raising, whatever | 19:42 |
| zeth | Side point, last year the sheparding team from ETAP to venue was just me. Since we have two hotels, we need more shephards. | 19:42 |
| pinner | lac: I'll send you a pdf | 19:42 |
| zeth | (last year as in PyCon) | 19:43 |
| pinner | zeth: OK, but we're on Publicity... | 19:43 |
| zeth | ok | 19:43 |
| zeth | (just came into my head) | 19:43 |
| lac | pinner: cool | 19:43 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig is not here, he was supposed to be preparing a new announcement | 19:43 |
| pinner | The point is, when the talks are announced we have to step up publicity | 19:44 |
| pinner | and this is something all of us can do, with the various lists we're on | 19:44 |
| jacob22|home | I did a little thing that can be used for publicity: http://www2.openend.se/~jacob/cartoon.jpg | 19:44 |
| tartley | "A little thing" he says! That must have taken *ages* :-) | 19:45 |
| voidspace | it's awesome | 19:45 |
| pinner | jacob22: very droll! | 19:45 |
| tartley | very nice work!!! | 19:45 |
| lac | Jacob and I are leavng for Italy on Thursday. After PyCON Italia we go on vacation. Back on the 18th. Don't expect us to do much in the middle | 19:45 |
| zeth | jacob22|home: cool! | 19:46 |
| jacob22|home | tartley: There is a kit on the web where you can build these things. | 19:46 |
| pinner | lac: I thing the tapestry is enough! | 19:46 |
| pinner | ACTION Everyone to publicise EP once talks are announced | 19:47 |
| jacob22|home | tartley: I actually spent last meeting making it. :-P | 19:47 |
| qwright | we have posters and handouts | 19:47 |
| pinner | TOPIC Tech Team Stuff | 19:48 |
| pinner | Anything to report? | 19:48 |
| qwright | The Conservatoire has agreed to another line but asked us to put it in. | 19:49 |
| tartley | jacob: LOL | 19:49 |
| qwright | This has high priority - I'll pursue it this week | 19:49 |
| pinner | OK... | 19:49 |
| zeth | qwright: line? | 19:50 |
| pinner | ACTION qwright to order extra bonded ADSL line from Andrews and Arnold | 19:50 |
| zeth | IP line? | 19:50 |
| zeth | ah okay | 19:50 |
| pinner | zeth: we need more bandwidth with the extra video stuff | 19:51 |
| moreati | qwright: let me know if you need anything picked up/dropped off/photographed | 19:51 |
| zeth | so from 1 to 2 lines, or 2 to 3 lines? | 19:51 |
| pinner | TOPIC Sponsorship | 19:51 |
| pinner | Sponsorship takeup has been slow | 19:51 |
| qwright | moreati: thanks, will do.. | 19:51 |
| pinner | Google have ordered and been invoiced £2500 | 19:51 |
| lac | who is talking with Resolver re lanyards? | 19:52 |
| pinner | Oracle have pledged £1400, Wingware £500, Resolver £500, Logilab £500 | 19:52 |
| pinner | jacob22: did Infrae say 300 euros? | 19:52 |
| jacob22|home | pinner: £300 | 19:52 |
| pinner | I think Ableton will settle on £1000 | 19:53 |
| pinner | and I think we will get £500-£1000 from Bytemark Hosting | 19:53 |
| pinner | I haven't been able to get any of the Microsoft contacts | 19:54 |
| qwright | Resolver were too late for lanyards I'm afraid - O'Reilly is doing them | 19:54 |
| pinner | and we are waiting for a response from Sun | 19:54 |
| pinner | Resolver are sponsoring the IronPython tutorial room | 19:55 |
| jacob22|home | Canonical? | 19:55 |
| pinner | lac: any news from the PSF? | 19:55 |
| zeth | so roughly 7700 plus potential microsoft/sun and others | 19:55 |
| pinner | jacob22: what about Pragma2000? | 19:55 |
| jacob22|home | pinner: No response there. I'll check with them at Pycon Italia. | 19:55 |
| pinner | I've been chasing canonical, they've promised a response this week | 19:56 |
| zeth | We need to ask for lots from PSF if sponsorship is slow | 19:56 |
| pinner | zeth: I think we agreed at a previous meeting to ask the PSF for $6000 | 19:56 |
| zeth | oh right | 19:57 |
| zeth | hope we get it from then soon, a dollar is worth less and less every day it seems | 19:57 |
| lac | no news from the PSF yet, but I have asked, ah, what would they be interested in sponsoring us for, not give us this amount | 19:57 |
| qwright | so is the pound | 19:57 |
| zeth | those europeans who booked early extra bird when the euro was near 1:1 got a really good deal | 19:58 |
| lac | so I don't know what they will say. | 19:58 |
| voidspace | the pound and the dollar can't both be losing value against each other | 19:58 |
| pinner | So, there's no more we can do on sposnsorship other than badger the ones who haven't answered... | 19:58 |
| pinner | TOPIC Social Programme | 19:58 |
| qwright | voidspace: yes, but what about the Euro... | 19:59 |
| pinner | Mesdames Green and Pinner have agreed to run a Partners Programme | 19:59 |
| voidspace | qwright: oh - we can get screwed both ways... | 19:59 |
| voidspace | pinner: great | 20:00 |
| pinner | and we are asking the locals to look after evening socials | 20:00 |
| pinner | zeth: any joy there? | 20:00 |
| zeth | joy with what? | 20:00 |
| pinner | zeth: local social working group | 20:01 |
| zeth | lol | 20:01 |
| zeth | she is willing | 20:01 |
| zeth | to help shelia with the partners events | 20:01 |
| moreati | afk | 20:01 |
| pinner | well, you have to leave that to us - moreati, zeth - OK? | 20:02 |
| pinner | moreati: can you pop into the Australian Bar one lunchtime and book their basement for Tuesday 30th June evening? | 20:02 |
| zeth | I had a bit of a google about what birmingham city council quangos we could talk to, not got anywhere yet, but will try again | 20:03 |
| pinner | TOPIC Any Other Business | 20:04 |
| pinner | Any one got any? | 20:04 |
| tartley | not me | 20:04 |
| moreati | pinner: yes | 20:04 |
| pinner | nor me | 20:04 |
| moreati | I can book the Australian bar | 20:05 |
| pinner | moreati: roger | 20:05 |
| zeth | I would like BCC to put up posters and directions, as they sometimes do for conferences, but have not figured that out yet | 20:05 |
| jacob22|home | One thing. In my webbrowser, the banner ads on the europython website cover part of the texts. | 20:05 |
| zeth | Birmingham welcomes Europython,go this way | 20:06 |
| pinner | zeth: too much red tape I suspect | 20:06 |
| moreati | zeth: let me make some enquiries, also | 20:06 |
| lac | I have one thing | 20:06 |
| zeth | moreati: cool | 20:06 |
| pinner | jacob22: what is your browser? | 20:06 |
| lac | has moreati made contact with his one speaker | 20:06 |
| zeth | pinner: if they did it for the conservative conference, they can do it for us | 20:06 |
| moreati | lac: no | 20:06 |
| jacob22|home | pinner: FF3 under Linux. | 20:06 |
| lac | will you or do you want that job taken off your hands? | 20:06 |
| tartley | It was supercool when Oredev council in sweden sprayed space invaders (the conference logo) along the sidewalks to direct us between conference venues. Oredev is not Birmingham though. :-) | 20:06 |
| pinner | zeth: ability and willingness are two different things | 20:07 |
| zeth | Well GUADEC are getting fab treatment by Canary Island tourism bureau or whatever it was | 20:07 |
| moreati | lac: if it's not oo much hassle. I certainly won't be doing it before 19:30 BST this evening | 20:07 |
| pinner | jacob22: i'm running the same, no problem here, send me a screenshot | 20:07 |
| lac | jacob22 is actually running iceweasel | 20:08 |
| jacob22|home | pinner: Will do. | 20:08 |
| lac | There are some technical differences between them -- its not just branding -- I am told but I have no details. | 20:08 |
| zeth | We are bringing money into Birmingham with hundreds of geeks eating, sleeping and drinking in Birmingham for up to a week | 20:09 |
| lac | moreati: ok, you will get off this hook. | 20:09 |
| moreati | lac thankyou | 20:09 |
| lac | you are welcome | 20:09 |
| pinner | we will look at browsers... | 20:10 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next Meeting | 20:10 |
| pinner | Two weeks' time OK for everyone? | 20:10 |
| zeth | should be | 20:11 |
| qwright | epiphany 2.24.3 has the banner ad problem | 20:11 |
| qwright | yes | 20:11 |
| voidspace | which banner? | 20:11 |
| moreati | is it worth meeting next tuesday, 12th? | 20:11 |
| voidspace | I have FF3 on the Mac and no problem | 20:11 |
| zeth | I think at some point, we should move to weekly meetings | 20:11 |
| voidspace | either should be fine for me... | 20:12 |
| qwright | voidspace: ads on the lhs | 20:12 |
| lac | I won't be available and jacob won't either | 20:12 |
| pinner | why do we need a weekly meeting when most of the work has been done? | 20:12 |
| zeth | maybe we can start the weekly later though | 20:12 |
| zeth | pinner: events, events | 20:12 |
| voidspace | qwright: definitely no problem on my FF3 | 20:12 |
| voidspace | odd | 20:12 |
| zeth | bad Harold Macmillan impression | 20:13 |
| pinner | the main things now are more local, like the social programme (cough, cough) | 20:13 |
| zeth | fair enough | 20:13 |
| qwright | voidspace: it's ok on my ff3 | 20:13 |
| zeth | We need to go out on the pub crawl also | 20:13 |
| pinner | so lets stay at two weeks for now... | 20:13 |
| zeth | cool | 20:13 |
| pinner | DECISION Next meeting Tuesday May 19th 2009, 1700 BST, 1800 CEST | 20:13 |
| pinner | #endmeeting | 20:14 |
| pinner | but stick around if you wish | 20:14 |
| moreati | The ads overlap the test on Win XP FF3 if I make the text size one notch smaller | 20:14 |
| zeth | now we will hand the chair over to lac ? | 20:14 |
| tartley | alright | 20:14 |
| zeth | and do the talks | 20:14 |
| tartley | lac & zeth: can I step away for 5mins... be right back. | 20:14 |
| lac | tartley: sure | 20:15 |
| moreati | Off to catch the bus, back in about 1:15. | 20:15 |
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| pinner | voidspace: would you prefer that your IP tutorial should be a full day affair? | 20:16 |
| tartley | back | 20:16 |
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| zeth | So the page we are looking at is: http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/?status__exact=new ? | 20:16 |
| voidspace | pinner: have to consort with tartley on that | 20:16 |
| voidspace | sounds like hard work to me! | 20:16 |
| voidspace | tartley: want to spend a whole day teaching IronPython ? | 20:17 |
| zeth | there is also this but looks in hand: http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/?status__exact=proofread | 20:17 |
| tartley | I would like to, but we did present the same content at pycon in half a day | 20:17 |
| tartley | we could certainly relax somewhat to extend it, but would also need new content to fill a whole day i think | 20:18 |
| tartley | ah | 20:19 |
| lac | we also have to divide up johns talks and moreati's one | 20:19 |
| tartley | one of those proofreads is withdrawn. (lac: it was the 'april 2009' one) | 20:19 |
| tartley | i'll get tit | 20:19 |
| tartley | it | 20:19 |
| zeth | tartley: on the tutorial, you could also leave some time after lunch for open workshop type thing | 20:19 |
| lac | aha, this person really had only just started to program in python? | 20:19 |
| zeth | let people start their ironpython apps and ask for help | 20:19 |
| lac | are we having a code clinic and if so when? | 20:20 |
| tartley | yes | 20:20 |
| tartley | he has many years being very active in Perl, sounded an interesting chap, decided to jump ship to Python and get involved. | 20:21 |
| tartley | but he can't make the conference after all. | 20:21 |
| lac | then I hope he gives a light | 20:21 |
| lac | ah, guess not. alas. | 20:22 |
| pinner | lac: code clinic yes | 20:22 |
| tartley | right. next time, maybe | 20:22 |
| zeth | David Jones did a really good clinic last yeat | 20:22 |
| zeth | year | 20:22 |
| pinner | lac: in empty tutorial slot? | 20:22 |
| pinner | zeth: David Jones with raymond hettinger | 20:22 |
| zeth | We could ask David back | 20:22 |
| zeth | oh yeah | 20:23 |
| pinner | zeth: he's talking anyway | 20:23 |
| zeth | ah okay | 20:23 |
| zeth | cool | 20:23 |
| tartley | zeth: 'open workshop' - you mean spend time discussing attendees specific problems and questions? | 20:23 |
| lac | empty tutorial spot could work. | 20:23 |
| zeth | tartley: yep | 20:24 |
| zeth | tartley: that is same as code clinic | 20:24 |
| lac | What is the current procedure for people who have registered without tutorials and then decide they want one? | 20:24 |
| zeth | just has a chair | 20:24 |
| pinner | Extra plenary: I've asked Dr Sue Black to give a talk on Bletchley Park, she's said yes, details to follow, could be a plenary after lunch on Wednesday | 20:24 |
| zeth | lac they can book again and deselect everything else | 20:24 |
| zeth | maybe not the best way though | 20:25 |
| tartley | zeth: sounds interesting. | 20:25 |
| pinner | lac: they register again, for tutorials only, we sort out the mess later | 20:25 |
| zeth | cool | 20:25 |
| lac | pinner: ok. I just want to know what to tell people. | 20:25 |
| lac | so are we ready to do talks now? | 20:26 |
| zeth | lac they just go through the same form and deselect everything | 20:26 |
| zeth | lac yep | 20:26 |
| pinner | lac: it's not really a mess, as long as we don't double count | 20:26 |
| tartley | alright, I'm ready | 20:26 |
| zeth | I am willing to champion some if that helps | 20:26 |
| tartley | when we do these, should we re-assign pinner's today too? That shuld be quick. | 20:26 |
| tartley | zeth: hooray! (which I understand is spelt '\o/') | 20:27 |
| zeth | ;) | 20:27 |
| tartley | lets kick off a startmeeting then, how does that go...? | 20:27 |
| zeth | I have forgotton/missed any policies you made already, but I assume it involves talking to them and letting them know if they are successful | 20:27 |
| tartley | is it | 20:27 |
| tartley | #startmeeting | 20:27 |
| tartley | zeth: yes, we have a standard email on the wiki | 20:28 |
| tartley | ... | 20:28 |
| tartley | http://wiki.europython.eu/RespondingToSubmissions | 20:28 |
| zeth | tartley: cheers! | 20:29 |
| lac | zeth: how hard would it be to change the talks forms to have another category, or 2 -- needsphoto and everythingisready | 20:29 |
| tartley | righjt | 20:29 |
| pinner | zeth: I have to go soon, will you chase Steve for the pix? | 20:29 |
| tartley | I'm maintaining a separate spreadsheet just for this info | 20:29 |
| lac | since now I want to sort things based on what work I need to do. | 20:29 |
| tartley | also, since we're on the subject, to filter by champion would be handy. Is that a pain? | 20:30 |
| zeth | pinner: willdo | 20:30 |
| pinner | lac: we have a volunteer who said he'd sort the pictures out, using the ones w ehave already | 20:30 |
| zeth | tartley: I can add that I think | 20:30 |
| lac | some speakers have produced 0 photos now, I think. | 20:30 |
| lac | I would like a way to list that. | 20:31 |
| lac | I would also like a way to indicate that the abstract has been revised and I am happy with it | 20:31 |
| lac | vs the speaker hasn't sent me any revisions and I am not | 20:31 |
| pinner | lac: I suspect bthat | 20:32 |
| zeth | tartley: champion filter added | 20:32 |
| pinner | lac: these are changes which we have not time to make at this stage but should note for next year | 20:32 |
| lac | thank you zeth | 20:32 |
| tartley | did I mention how much you rock lately? | 20:32 |
| zeth | you might have to refresh things a bit | 20:33 |
| lac | well then ... ZETH ROCKS! | 20:33 |
| tartley | got it. works a treat. Lovely. | 20:33 |
| tartley | Right | 20:33 |
| tartley | Do we have oustanding chat, or should be plunge in? | 20:33 |
| tartley | we | 20:33 |
| lac | one outstanding chat. Do we divide johns talks up first or the new ones? | 20:34 |
| lac | I vote for John's because he's still there. | 20:34 |
| lac | er here. | 20:34 |
| tartley | ok that should be quick too | 20:34 |
| * lac nods | 20:34 | |
| tartley | no need to re-review them | 20:34 |
| zeth | lac, I am trying to think of how to implement your point about "a way to indicate that the abstract has been revised and I am happy with it" | 20:34 |
| zeth | Can it be assumed you are happy with it, if you have merged in the new data? | 20:35 |
| tartley | Some were decided to be 'john and q' - I don't remember what rule I used to assign them to EITHER john or Q in the djangobase | 20:35 |
| zeth | Otherwise you could change the approval | 20:35 |
| lac | I just had a thought. Now that we know that they are either accepted or rejected or withdrawn | 20:35 |
| tartley | I'm looking at John's talks : | 20:35 |
| tartley | http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/?accepted_by__id__exact=2 | 20:35 |
| lac | we can use 'proofread' | 20:35 |
| lac | to mean | 20:35 |
| lac | 'I am happy with it' | 20:35 |
| tartley | lac: ahar, that might be brilliant. | 20:35 |
| lac | and saves Zeth work. | 20:36 |
| zeth | that would be good | 20:36 |
| zeth | I don't mind work, but sometimes things are hard to figure out in django | 20:36 |
| zeth | sometimes you paint yourself into a corner | 20:37 |
| lac | Ok, I get David Jones | 20:37 |
| lac | What Sucks about Python | 20:37 |
| tartley | anyone else want to grab familiar-looking fruit? | 20:37 |
| lac | because I have him already for a different talk. | 20:37 |
| zeth | sure I will grab some | 20:37 |
| tartley | oh | 20:37 |
| tartley | other than leigh there are only two, and john himself is one of them | 20:38 |
| tartley | this will be quicker than i thought | 20:38 |
| tartley | shall i just take russel winder thenm | 20:38 |
| tartley | ? | 20:38 |
| zeth | Shall I take "Problems Django can't solve" ? | 20:38 |
| lac | sounds like a plan | 20:38 |
| tartley | i changed both the records to 'lac' and 'tartley' respectively | 20:39 |
| lac | zeth: do you want to be a talk champion | 20:39 |
| tartley | alright, new talks | 20:39 |
| zeth | lac I do | 20:39 |
| lac | because if so, you get as many as you like. | 20:39 |
| zeth | Shall I take "Reusable components in PyGTK" ? | 20:39 |
| zeth | I don't want to step on anyone's toes | 20:39 |
| tartley | People: I have a distraught Trent Nelson on the line from Vegas, after I pestered him today that he never made his last minute talk submission about Snakebite | 20:40 |
| lac | our toes are very safe. Having somebody else do the work is great. But we have to review the talks and figure out what changes, if any we want | 20:40 |
| tartley | Can he stilll get it in? | 20:40 |
| lac | tartley -- yes | 20:40 |
| tartley | hooray | 20:41 |
| lac | tartley but tell him he owes the talk committee a beer and that you and zeth and I will collect | 20:41 |
| tartley | excellent. | 20:41 |
| tartley | submission form isn't still active, is it? | 20:41 |
| lac | and to get the thing in NOW | 20:41 |
| tartley | right | 20:41 |
| lac | yes it is | 20:41 |
| tartley | I'll coax him this evening to do it now | 20:41 |
| zeth | yeah, get decent things in now, we can let John and Q have heart-attacks later over the room bookings | 20:42 |
| tartley | har har | 20:42 |
| zeth | Bus slogan "always room for one more" | 20:42 |
| tartley | is it worth reopening the submissions form for him, or is it just as easy if I get his details by email and put them in django admin myself? | 20:43 |
| lac | ok. next problem before we forget. who wants moreati's talk? | 20:43 |
| lac | I think the form is still open. Zeth? | 20:43 |
| zeth | the form is open, but not linked to | 20:43 |
| tartley | the link to it is gone. ('now closed') aha! | 20:44 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/submission/ | 20:44 |
| zeth | I am happy to take any talks | 20:44 |
| zeth | how many do you each have? | 20:44 |
| zeth | Shall I just take the ones without champions? | 20:44 |
| lac | that would be nice but we have to proof read them first. so you will know what to say to these people. | 20:45 |
| lac | aside from the form letter. | 20:45 |
| lac | and first I want to get 'mashing the guardian dealt with' | 20:45 |
| zeth | I just realised that a lot of the ones without champions are tutorials | 20:45 |
| zeth | if john is giving up the talks, perhaps we should give him the tutorials | 20:46 |
| zeth | since we seems to have worked that out already | 20:46 |
| zeth | since he seems to have worked that out already | 20:46 |
| lac | the plan is to give john no more work. | 20:46 |
| zeth | ok | 20:46 |
| lac | since he is way overloaded already. this is why we are taking away the little chmpioning he was doing. | 20:46 |
| zeth | Then I think it would make sense to treat the tutorials slightly differently | 20:46 |
| lac | ok | 20:47 |
| lac | right. | 20:47 |
| zeth | Lets do all the talks first anyhow | 20:47 |
| zeth | (the tutorials make all kinds of implications and consequences, there is limited room and materials need to be made and tutorials must be good) | 20:47 |
| lac | ok by me. the first talk is 24, mashing up the guardian. | 20:48 |
| lac | if nobody else wants it, I will take it. | 20:48 |
| zeth | Ok I just changed python to Python | 20:48 |
| zeth | on talk 24 | 20:48 |
| zeth | Sounds good talk but needs a longer description for a 60 minute talk | 20:49 |
| zeth | it is a lot of time to commit to for 25 words | 20:49 |
| tartley | previous review of this is in the 'review comments'section | 20:50 |
| lac | change guardian to Guardian, and if you look at the comments, that is what we have already decided. | 20:50 |
| zeth | Oh cool | 20:50 |
| lac | Our problem is that moreati never got off his rump and talked to this person | 20:50 |
| zeth | I just scrolled down | 20:50 |
| lac | so somebody needs to. | 20:50 |
| zeth | moreati will be back when his bus gets home | 20:50 |
| tartley | ok, so sorry if I missed this, but are we reassigning this talk? Or prodding moreati? | 20:50 |
| lac | he's busy and asked us to take this job away from him. | 20:51 |
| tartley | oh, thanks. | 20:51 |
| lac | we are reassigning it to somebody. | 20:51 |
| zeth | ah okay | 20:51 |
| tartley | Alright. who gets it? I think you both volunteerred? | 20:51 |
| pinner | Speakers without pictures: | 20:51 |
| lac | any volunteers to do the dirty deed? | 20:51 |
| tartley | TOPIC 24 Mashing up the guardian | 20:51 |
| tartley | (heh) | 20:52 |
| lac | you volunteered the first time, tartley :) | 20:52 |
| tartley | you mean to take it? | 20:52 |
| pinner | 1. There is a list at the bottom of wiki.europython.eu/Organisers - 29 of them | 20:52 |
| tartley | So I did. Which is fine | 20:52 |
| tartley | pinner: Brilliant, thanks. | 20:52 |
| tartley | alright | 20:52 |
| tartley | me then! yay! | 20:52 |
| lac | pinner: thank you. | 20:52 |
| pinner | 2. When you build the talks pages, speakers with no images will be listed on the screen | 20:52 |
| pinner | best a non-Django person can do... | 20:52 |
| lac | pinner: thank you very much | 20:54 |
| tartley | pinner: cool. is there a 3? | 20:54 |
| pinner | tartley: no | 20:54 |
| tartley | alright, brilliant. Thanks for that, I'll chase up my talkers for photos tonight. | 20:54 |
| pinner | I have pix of some of them from last year if needed | 20:54 |
| lac | now its time for tartley to announce the decision to reassign to tartley, so we can move to the next talk. | 20:55 |
| tartley | maybe we should just use those, and if they send us a new one, we can update | 20:55 |
| tartley | righjt | 20:55 |
| tartley | DECISION: re-assign to tartley | 20:55 |
| lac | zeth: tartley also pastes in the comments, so he gets to control the flow of the meeting. | 20:55 |
| lac | Ok, find us the next not-a-tutorial | 20:56 |
| tartley | TOPIC 84Real world Appengine Projects | 20:56 |
| lac | and the champion lists -- we are roughly equal at half of them each of us | 20:56 |
| tartley | agreed | 20:56 |
| lac | this is a nice talk, but those period separated non-sentences have to go. | 20:57 |
| lac | suggest commas or semi-colons | 20:57 |
| tartley | agreed. semi-coloning it now.. | 20:58 |
| tartley | Presumably his abstract implies he will spend a little time talking about each (semi-coloned) item | 20:59 |
| tartley | Not sure who is most interested in this, nor what prerequisites they need come with | 20:59 |
| lac | there are a lot of terms here which are not defined. Usually I want definitions, but in this case I think it is fine. | 20:59 |
| * pinner needs to go | 20:59 | |
| lac | because I expect him to explain that as part of the talk. | 21:00 |
| pinner | good night every one | 21:00 |
| zeth | pinner: night! | 21:00 |
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| lac | good night john | 21:00 |
| tartley | oh i guess it's all around AppEngine, it isn't as nebulous as I was imagining | 21:00 |
| tartley | bye john! | 21:00 |
| lac | ooops, missed him | 21:00 |
| tartley | fair enought | 21:00 |
| tartley | shall we accept as is then? | 21:01 |
| lac | no accept but ask for prerequisites. | 21:01 |
| zeth | Is it not App Engine? | 21:01 |
| tartley | oh, last time we were tentative about accepting more talks due to time/space constraints | 21:01 |
| zeth | rather than Appengine | 21:01 |
| tartley | zeth: I'd think so | 21:01 |
| lac | if you have never programmed AppEngine, is this talk for you? for instance. | 21:01 |
| tartley | google says 2M votes for "App Engine", to 620k for 'Appengine' | 21:02 |
| zeth | I changed it to App Engine | 21:03 |
| tartley | Good one lac. Let's clarify that then. Nothing else strikes me. Anyone else? | 21:03 |
| ghum | Google App Engine should not be voted, as it is a product of google ... | 21:03 |
| ghum | (but that spelling is the "correct" one, zeth= | 21:03 |
| lac | ok, who wants it? | 21:04 |
| zeth | I would say I have close to zero interest in the topic | 21:04 |
| tartley | heh. I don't mind taking this one then | 21:04 |
| lac | ok, you have a deal. | 21:05 |
| tartley | DECISION accept, ask for clarification about attendee prerequisites, assign to tartley | 21:05 |
| zeth | tartley: if you have too many, you can shuffle me over something suitably non-proprietary | 21:05 |
| tartley | understood. I'll review after making sure I'm up to date with everything tonight, let you know if I feel I'm struggling. Thanks for the offer. | 21:06 |
| tartley | TOPIC Improving client-side HTTP | 21:06 |
| zeth | Good description but who is "Our" | 21:07 |
| zeth | the queen? | 21:07 |
| zeth | "our requirements", the Python community? | 21:07 |
| zeth | his company? | 21:07 |
| lac | I think his company, so that needs clarification | 21:08 |
| tartley | I like the idea of specifically aiming to elicit a discussion about the topic | 21:09 |
| tartley | is the best suited to a talk format? | 21:09 |
| tartley | s/the/that | 21:09 |
| lac | He wanted more like a bof. | 21:09 |
| lac | he wants to give a presentation and then let everybody talk a lot about it. | 21:09 |
| tartley | which sounds great, I think | 21:10 |
| lac | so the most important thing about this is to remember what he wants for scheduling purposes. | 21:10 |
| lac | we want as many interested people as possible attending, which means we have to be even more careful than | 21:10 |
| lac | usual with what we schedule it against. | 21:10 |
| zeth | yep | 21:11 |
| zeth | in general I think it is a really good talk idea | 21:11 |
| lac | and since I will be in Italy when the schedule is made, I won't be here to remind people of this so | 21:11 |
| lac | everybody else has to remember this. | 21:11 |
| lac | ok? | 21:11 |
| tartley | alright, well I have a short document enumerating a few scheduling constraints, I will add it to that | 21:11 |
| tartley | you're thinking that he can't elicit decent discussion if we schedule him against something heavyweight | 21:12 |
| zeth | Off topic, but if we give out the abstracts tomorrow, then do we really need to rush with the schedule? | 21:13 |
| tartley | he will need relevant people to be present to succeed in his aims | 21:13 |
| tartley | ? | 21:13 |
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| lac | yes. | 21:13 |
| lac | Say Simon Willison's talk is against him. | 21:13 |
| lac | He comes up with a nice plan of what to do in concert with everybody at the meeting. | 21:14 |
| lac | Simon says (politely) something that amounts to 'this stinks' | 21:14 |
| lac | bang. | 21:14 |
| lac | he has wasted his whole meeting. | 21:14 |
| tartley | alright | 21:14 |
| zeth | I think we can't worry about things | 21:14 |
| zeth | like that | 21:14 |
| lac | all the people who could kill this proposal must be available for the talk. | 21:14 |
| zeth | the delegates tend to spread themselves around | 21:14 |
| lac | we must worry about such things somewhat. | 21:15 |
| zeth | Simon Willison is not that popular | 21:15 |
| zeth | no one in Python is *that* popular | 21:15 |
| lac | as a matter of scheduling. | 21:15 |
| zeth | it is only the newbies who rush after semi-celebreties | 21:15 |
| lac | that's all. | 21:15 |
| zeth | well stick Simon Willison in a room with maximum capacity 60 | 21:15 |
| zeth | but last year he was after me | 21:16 |
| zeth | in PyConUK | 21:16 |
| zeth | it was same people | 21:16 |
| zeth | and I am no one | 21:16 |
| lac | this is not the time to discuss the merits of Simon Willison as a person or an authority. | 21:16 |
| tartley | Hey: *I* am no one, right? Get off my turf, buddy. | 21:16 |
| lac | :) | 21:16 |
| zeth | Sure, I just mean that people will spread themselves out | 21:16 |
| zeth | we don't have to worry about guaranteeing an auidence for anyone | 21:17 |
| lac | zeth, this is the wrong way to look at it. | 21:17 |
| zeth | the venue is such that people tend to spread themselves around | 21:17 |
| zeth | Anyhow, shall we go onto the next talk? | 21:17 |
| tartley | how about this: If we categorise him such that he isn't against other things of interest to HTTP people | 21:18 |
| lac | well, this one doesn't have a champion yet. | 21:18 |
| tartley | then we have only done as much for him as we have for anyone | 21:18 |
| tartley | and yet maybe that is exactly enought | 21:18 |
| tartley | enough | 21:18 |
| tartley | ok | 21:18 |
| tartley | any volunteers? | 21:18 |
| lac | tartley: that was my idea. And the way I would implement this is to schedule his talk FIRST | 21:18 |
| zeth | I am willing to champion this one | 21:19 |
| lac | and give him the very first pick of the others to schedule against. | 21:19 |
| lac | because I think that this is the very most important talk to schedule as best as we can | 21:19 |
| tartley | lac: I see. Interesting. I would never have thought of that. Thanks. | 21:20 |
| zeth | cool agreed | 21:20 |
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| tartley | DECISION: Accept. Assign to zeth. No fixes required. Assigned to Zeth. Scheduling constraint noted by tartley. | 21:21 |
| tartley | hi moreati! | 21:21 |
| lac | this is because I have done this before. :) it's a trick. :) | 21:21 |
| moreati | hi | 21:21 |
| lac | hi moreati. | 21:21 |
| lac | you are now de-talked. | 21:21 |
| tartley | TOPIC Problems Django can't solve | 21:22 |
| zeth | Seems good, as long as he turns up | 21:23 |
| tartley | ? historical gag? | 21:23 |
| zeth | Unlike at PyConUK 2007 when he was a no show | 21:23 |
| tartley | ohno! | 21:23 |
| moreati | lac, meaning I have no speakers to chase? If so thank you | 21:23 |
| zeth | moreati: yep | 21:23 |
| lac | I like this submission as it stands. | 21:24 |
| tartley | sounds great to me. clear and states no previous django reqd. I say 'accept'! forthwith! | 21:24 |
| zeth | However, if I champion this, then I can keep an eye on him | 21:24 |
| lac | sounds great to me Zeth. | 21:25 |
| zeth | get him to let me know early if he needs to cancel | 21:25 |
| tartley | alrighty then | 21:25 |
| tartley | DECISION: Accept as it stands, assign to Zeth | 21:25 |
| lac | zeth: this is Andy Robinson. He won't know himself that he needs to cancel until the morning he has to .... | 21:25 |
| tartley | TOPIC Data to PDF - Fast | 21:25 |
| lac | skip, its a tutorial | 21:25 |
| lac | we are going to do talks first as per Zeth's request, ok? | 21:26 |
| zeth | ok | 21:26 |
| tartley | oh | 21:26 |
| moreati | it needs some formatting work, carry on with others. I'll do some cleanup | 21:26 |
| tartley | TOPIC XML Document Publishing | 21:26 |
| lac | I would delete the 'So' from the last sentence and otherwise accept as written. | 21:27 |
| tartley | hey | 21:27 |
| tartley | wait! | 21:27 |
| tartley | this is submitted by zeth! I didn't realise. | 21:27 |
| lac | :) | 21:28 |
| zeth | ;) | 21:28 |
| tartley | alright, well it's *amazing* | 21:28 |
| lac | so we know to whom we will assign this one. we just need to decide if we want any edits. | 21:28 |
| lac | I'd like a tiny one. | 21:28 |
| lac | and ZETH ROCKS! :) | 21:28 |
| zeth | I am happy to rewrite if necessary I wrote it fast realising I was over the deadline | 21:29 |
| tartley | sounds great to me. Would you say, Zeth, that there are any audience prerequisites in terms of having a clue about the PyCon UK 08 talk, or the Pixelise module? | 21:29 |
| zeth | ;) | 21:29 |
| zeth | Nope | 21:29 |
| zeth | Maybe I should write that in | 21:29 |
| tartley | lac: is your tiny one the 'so' ? | 21:29 |
| lac | yes. | 21:29 |
| tartley | ok | 21:29 |
| ghum | I recommend to delete " for the first time" from "...used in production" | 21:29 |
| tartley | zeth: sounds good. easy enough. | 21:29 |
| ghum | makes it easier to understand for non-native-english understanders like me | 21:30 |
| zeth | it is a different talk from Pycon last year, but I was just acknowledging about that I gave a talk about it | 21:30 |
| zeth | last year was more "This is what I want to do" | 21:31 |
| tartley | Hey ghum: Thanks for that. | 21:31 |
| zeth | Now I have actually done it so I have a bit of a clue. | 21:31 |
| tartley | Zeth: Coolio, you know what to do. | 21:31 |
| tartley | DECISION Accept, very minor clarifications, let Zeth deal with it. | 21:31 |
| zeth | ghum: "for the first time" deleted | 21:31 |
| zeth | cool | 21:32 |
| tartley | is that all the talks then? | 21:32 |
| tartley | yep i think so | 21:32 |
| lac | aside from the Snakebite | 21:32 |
| zeth | Well we have to actually set them to accepted for them to appear in the abstracts list | 21:32 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/?status__exact=new | 21:32 |
| lac | which isn't here yet | 21:32 |
| lac | ah, then my proofread idea is a bad one. | 21:33 |
| lac | we won't do that then. | 21:33 |
| tartley | about the ones which last week, we liked but marked as 'proofread' because we weren't sure if we had time/space | 21:33 |
| tartley | are we still unsure whether we have space? | 21:33 |
| lac | mine I have sent acceptance notices to because john insists we have space and time. | 21:33 |
| tartley | are we 'accecpting' these ones today? or do they have the same 'if we have space' caveat as last week? | 21:34 |
| zeth | tartley: I am assuming we just make space | 21:34 |
| tartley | ok then | 21:34 |
| lac | I'm still worried but unwilling to argue with John who should know. | 21:34 |
| tartley | thanks | 21:34 |
| tartley | alright | 21:34 |
| zeth | well the venue is slightly flexible | 21:34 |
| lac | John wants to stuff a few in and says we have room for that, so all we have listed we have definite space for. | 21:34 |
| zeth | it is uni building and we rent the rooms we want | 21:34 |
| tartley | I'll change the other 'proofread' ones that we were sure about last week to 'accepted' | 21:35 |
| tartley | TOPIC Data to PDF - Fast | 21:35 |
| lac | I would like to revisit the App Engine talk again | 21:35 |
| zeth | so we can just rent more rooms, if we are early enough | 21:35 |
| tartley | ok | 21:35 |
| lac | because I think that 30 minutes is not enough. What about you? | 21:35 |
| tartley | TOPIC Real world Appengine Projects | 21:35 |
| ghum | I agree, lac | 21:36 |
| zeth | in "Data to PDF", someone has actually spelt Python with a capital P with me editing it in, that is good | 21:36 |
| ghum | and I also recommend to take some of that Amazon-Stuff up to the abstract | 21:36 |
| zeth | without me editing it in, that is good | 21:36 |
| ghum | AS he is talking about using AE + Z3 + S3 | 21:36 |
| lac | good catch ghum | 21:37 |
| ghum | if we add "cloud computing" we have 87% buzzword completion | 21:37 |
| ghum | :) | 21:37 |
| zeth | ;) | 21:38 |
| tartley | alright so I'm hazy about this | 21:38 |
| tartley | are you saying we should clarify with the submitter how sure he is that 30 mins will be enough | 21:38 |
| tartley | or are we enforcing 45 on them? | 21:38 |
| zeth | I think one should ask | 21:39 |
| lac | no, we should suggest to him that we think it is short. | 21:39 |
| lac | and then ask. | 21:39 |
| tartley | ok then | 21:39 |
| zeth | because 30 mins talk, you might only get 15 | 21:39 |
| tartley | very cool, can do | 21:39 |
| tartley | alright | 21:39 |
| tartley | ok, sounds good. is that it? reviewer comments updating... | 21:39 |
| zeth | if you are the talk before a plenary, and it is running late, and you get some interruptions | 21:39 |
| lac | I think this is a 1 hour talk, myself, unless he plans to say so very little that its not worth going to. | 21:39 |
| zeth | then you might find you only get 15 mins | 21:39 |
| ghum | in addition, he is from austria | 21:40 |
| zeth | Well suggest 45 mins as well | 21:40 |
| ghum | so we may not expect a Beaspeed talker | 21:40 |
| zeth | he might not want to do 1 hour of content | 21:40 |
| zeth | he might just want to introduce the topics | 21:40 |
| moreati | /whois dobee | 21:40 |
| zeth | it is hard to tell | 21:40 |
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| lac | We want to give him the time he wants. But I think his problem is that he hasn't thought hard enough about how long it talks to say all that he wants to | 21:41 |
| tartley | DECISION: check 30 mins is enough. emphaise z3/s3 tech in the abstract. | 21:41 |
| zeth | cool | 21:41 |
| tartley | understood, thanks. | 21:41 |
| ghum | tartley: my bad, it is EC not Z3; | 21:41 |
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| tartley | thanks, visually cutting and pasting there, you caught me out. :-) | 21:42 |
| tartley | alright | 21:42 |
| tartley | for real this time | 21:42 |
| tartley | TOPIC 87Data to PDF - Fast | 21:43 |
| zeth | It seems there are three talks missed? http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/20/ http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/19/ http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/submission/talk/17/ | 21:43 |
| tartley | ah | 21:44 |
| tartley | they were reviewed | 21:44 |
| zeth | Did you talk about them last time? | 21:44 |
| tartley | yes, comments are in the 'review comments' sections | 21:44 |
| tartley | but they were assigned to Q (or maybe john and Q) and I never chased up to make sure people were aware of that | 21:44 |
| tartley | it could be john said 'me and Q' will take them, and I never told Q he was assigned things in his absense. | 21:44 |
| lac | 17 is mine and I forgot to say it was accepted | 21:44 |
| tartley | I shall do that. | 21:45 |
| zeth | Well I doubt Q is aware of it then | 21:45 |
| zeth | If Q is aware of something, he does it right away | 21:45 |
| zeth | or not at all | 21:45 |
| zeth | he is a determined type person | 21:46 |
| zeth | (unlike me) | 21:46 |
| lac | so do we take those over? | 21:46 |
| zeth | so this guy is having 2 60 minute talks | 21:47 |
| zeth | are they the same thing or different? | 21:47 |
| zeth | "Open ERP is a fully integrated enterprise management system" "Open Object is the framework used by the leading open source enterprise management software:" | 21:47 |
| tartley | I'll email him to let him know, I think john took them for a reason, because they know him or something. | 21:47 |
| zeth | so it seems that one is the library, and one is the sales pitch? | 21:48 |
| tartley | I could be wrong. I'll ask Q in an open-to-either-answer way | 21:48 |
| zeth | we are more interested in the library I would have thought | 21:48 |
| lac | We need to talk to q and john about this. What I thought happened was that q was interested in these ones | 21:49 |
| lac | in particular, but I forget why. | 21:49 |
| lac | At any rate, I want to get back to tutorials. | 21:50 |
| zeth | cool | 21:50 |
| tartley | alright, I'll cc: you on the email | 21:50 |
| lac | is that ok with the rest of you? | 21:51 |
| lac | ccing me on the mail is fine. | 21:51 |
| zeth | yep | 21:51 |
| tartley | alright | 21:51 |
| lac | Ok, Andy's tutorial. | 21:51 |
| tartley | 4th time lucky... | 21:52 |
| lac | He is using bullets | 21:52 |
| tartley | TOPIC Data to PDF - Fast | 21:52 |
| lac | is that ok for a tutorial? | 21:52 |
| lac | I know that you didn't want that for talks, and want them turned into sentences. | 21:52 |
| ghum | as Andys schedule may change very fast... | 21:53 |
| ghum | I recommend to put that into a extended talk | 21:53 |
| ghum | AS the stuff is also a little big for a tutorial for somebody who is not familiar with reportlab | 21:53 |
| lac | I think that there are enough people who are familiar with it that it will work as a tutorial | 21:54 |
| lac | and if there aren't, he won't get the minimum numbers of subscribers, and it will be withdrawn. | 21:54 |
| ghum | can we have a "fallback to talk" for that if? | 21:55 |
| zeth | I forgot something; are we giving tutorial leaders a cut on the tutorial fee? | 21:55 |
| lac | ghum: maybe if there is space, but I have my dounts about space | 21:55 |
| lac | zeth: yes, as long as they make the minimum number, which john hasn't decided on what the number is | 21:56 |
| lac | sorry for that terrible sentence | 21:56 |
| zeth | fine, I get it | 21:56 |
| lac | s/dounts/doubts/ | 21:56 |
| lac | and if they do not get the minimum then the tutorial is cancelled, and the people who did sign up get to try a different one or get their money back | 21:57 |
| zeth | I am all for donut space | 21:57 |
| tartley | yum | 21:57 |
| tartley | alright. Any other fixes needed? I think the bullets are appropriate here - it is a small self-contained list, not just bullets for every point in the abstractr | 21:58 |
| tartley | he needs to specify what OS it works with | 21:58 |
| zeth | I just remembered I need to add the rst to html | 21:58 |
| zeth | then bullets will be converted to list items | 21:58 |
| tartley | presumably it is hands-on, but they won't be actually printing, just generating document files that could be printed | 21:58 |
| zeth | reportlab is cross platform as far as I remember | 21:59 |
| zeth | it is pure python | 21:59 |
| tartley | ok | 21:59 |
| tartley | I think that needs to be on there for attendees benefit | 21:59 |
| * lac agrees | 21:59 | |
| zeth | fine, sure | 21:59 |
| tartley | who's the lucky champion? | 21:59 |
| lac | ideally zeth since he has andy's talk | 22:00 |
| zeth | fair enough | 22:00 |
| tartley | DECISION: Accept, with minor fixes, assign to... ZETH! Hooray! | 22:00 |
| zeth | since I am on cancel watch anyway | 22:00 |
| zeth | perhaps I ought to be given any one likely to go AWOL | 22:00 |
| tartley | LOL | 22:00 |
| tartley | TOPIC Reusable components in PyGTK | 22:00 |
| tartley | oooh, he has a schedule. Fancy. | 22:01 |
| lac | This looks like a perfectly reasonable tutorial. | 22:01 |
| tartley | yes, gui stuff makes for fun tutorial, actually seeing stuff coming out the other end. :-) | 22:01 |
| lac | I'm for accepting as written. | 22:02 |
| tartley | ok | 22:02 |
| tartley | do we need to be explicit about OS again? | 22:02 |
| zeth | looks good, I am a little concerned that there won't be enough people with pre-existing PyGTK knowledge, but give it a chance | 22:02 |
| tartley | maybe we need to be more explicit about how much PyGTK knowledge is reqd? | 22:02 |
| zeth | maybe we could ask him for a reading list | 22:03 |
| tartley | I guess I'm fretting needlessly. 'basic knowledge' is enough, I think | 22:03 |
| zeth | for people who have no knowledge but want to read up in the month before | 22:03 |
| tartley | not a bad idea | 22:03 |
| tartley | seconded! | 22:03 |
| zeth | that would widen the net | 22:04 |
| tartley | alright then | 22:04 |
| tartley | anyone especially want it? | 22:04 |
| tartley | alright, I'll take it then. | 22:04 |
| zeth | I can since you have millions | 22:04 |
| tartley | DECISION: Accept with minor clarification, assign to Tartley | 22:04 |
| tartley | TOPIC Use Python's Turtle to Teach | 22:05 |
| zeth | okay I take a different one | 22:05 |
| zeth | (I know very little about PyGTK) | 22:05 |
| tartley | fixing some typos now... | 22:05 |
| lac | I know this person. I have his other talk. I can take this one. I can also work on de-Germification if this is needed. | 22:06 |
| zeth | Addionally > Additionally | 22:06 |
| tartley | got it. | 22:06 |
| zeth | needs an english language spell checker | 22:06 |
| tartley | we could move the first section of abstract into 'description', if going by standards of some of our previous reviews | 22:07 |
| zeth | good idea | 22:07 |
| lac | maybe first 2 paragraphs? | 22:07 |
| zeth | good idea | 22:08 |
| tartley | agravic == without gravity? | 22:08 |
| zeth | tartley: save as you go along | 22:09 |
| zeth | there is no change tracking | 22:09 |
| tartley | thanks, done now | 22:09 |
| lac | Actually you could break it at Outline of Tutorial | 22:09 |
| zeth | so if two edit at the same time, and you have done lots of improvements | 22:09 |
| lac | and put the whole first lot in the description | 22:09 |
| tartley | yeah i thought that too | 22:10 |
| lac | this is why I have not done edits but left it to tartley. fear of clobbering. | 22:10 |
| tartley | I'm done | 22:10 |
| tartley | anyone especially want it? | 22:10 |
| tartley | it sounds like it will be great | 22:10 |
| zeth | lac said she knows him | 22:10 |
| tartley | aha! | 22:10 |
| lac | and I have his other talk. | 22:11 |
| tartley | DECISION: Accept, made some typo fixes already, assign to LAC | 22:11 |
| lac | sounds great to me. | 22:11 |
| tartley | TOPIC Python Foundation Class | 22:11 |
| zeth | John Pinner, who is he ? ;) | 22:12 |
| tartley | heh. Alright, so it's in safe hands, but the updates do have to happen. Coolio. | 22:12 |
| lac | We need to tell John to write an abstract. | 22:12 |
| zeth | yep | 22:13 |
| lac | and I wonder how this one got deleted earlier? | 22:13 |
| zeth | he will have stuff already he can paste in | 22:13 |
| tartley | I don't know. Is it hard to do accidentally? | 22:13 |
| zeth | not hard | 22:13 |
| lac | it makes me scared in case some others had that happen to them and I did not notice. | 22:13 |
| tartley | well, so be it. | 22:13 |
| zeth | system is very basic (made by me) | 22:13 |
| tartley | the ids seem to be sequential except in known cases | 22:13 |
| tartley | I spotted this one earlier today when going through them | 22:14 |
| tartley | it was the only unknown id anomoly | 22:14 |
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| lac | ok, I am happoer now. | 22:14 |
| zeth | on the bright side, we do have some backups | 22:14 |
| tartley | anyone especially keen to take it? | 22:14 |
| tartley | zeth: good to know. :-) | 22:15 |
| lac | we give this one back to John | 22:15 |
| tartley | ohyes | 22:15 |
| tartley | alright | 22:15 |
| tartley | DECISION: Accept, prod john for the abstract & description updates. | 22:15 |
| lac | Ok, we are down to the last one. | 22:17 |
| tartley | TOPIC Working with Excel files in Python | 22:17 |
| tartley | fixing abstract typos now... | 22:17 |
| tartley | done | 22:18 |
| tartley | sounds great | 22:18 |
| lac | capitalise files in the title | 22:18 |
| tartley | anyone have any reservations? | 22:18 |
| ghum | maybe a sentence "Chris is the xlrd guy" would be helpfull | 22:18 |
| tartley | done | 22:18 |
| tartley | ghum: good idea, maybe in his bio? That gets put to one side of the talk right? Is that good? | 22:19 |
| ghum | that is good | 22:19 |
| ghum | just that it is somewhere near :) | 22:19 |
| tartley | alright | 22:21 |
| tartley | otherwise accept as is? sounds good to me. | 22:21 |
| lac | +1 | 22:21 |
| lac | and we have room for him? because he isn't listed on the tutorial page as it stands | 22:21 |
| tartley | um. er. I don't know how to figure that out. | 22:21 |
| lac | so he can go in the missing half day spot. | 22:21 |
| lac | ah, that was not a question despite the question mark. | 22:22 |
| tartley | ah. good. And assign to...? (that was a question) | 22:22 |
| lac | he has asked for a half day and we have a half day slot left. | 22:22 |
| tartley | I can take it unless anyone is dying for it | 22:22 |
| lac | I can take it | 22:22 |
| zeth | I can do it if you like | 22:22 |
| zeth | I know him | 22:22 |
| tartley | DECISION: Accept as is, clarify relaitionship with xlrd, assign to ...ZETH. Ta-dah! | 22:22 |
| lac | give to zeth he has the shortest list | 22:23 |
| tartley | alright. we are d.o.n.e. | 22:23 |
| tartley | except for pesky trent | 22:23 |
| lac | great, now about the tutorials. we need to get this one in. and we need to keep Chris Theune in one room | 22:23 |
| tartley | alright. I don't know anything about running the scheduling software. | 22:24 |
| zeth | If we tonight get everything we can accept, accepted; I'll have a go at rerunning the abstract maker | 22:24 |
| lac | I also am not sure why we have 2 tutorial tracks on sun and 4 on monday rather than 3 on each | 22:25 |
| lac | was that for a reason? | 22:25 |
| zeth | I think there was some problem with sunday | 22:26 |
| tartley | not that i know of | 22:26 |
| zeth | some other event was happening as well | 22:27 |
| lac | well, Luke cannot be scheduled on Sunday, he said. | 22:27 |
| zeth | and it also works well as the first day is a bit of a chaos | 22:27 |
| zeth | the organisers have a bit of time to get the world in order | 22:27 |
| lac | ok. I dont mind a schedule of 2 and 4, but Sunday looks a bit light for attendees who don't need an introduction to Python and don't care about Iron Python | 22:28 |
| zeth | Yeah good point | 22:28 |
| zeth | I think we should have an open space track or something at least | 22:28 |
| zeth | Should have that both days really | 22:28 |
| zeth | Last year at Pycon we got the open space place free I think | 22:29 |
| zeth | it was the bar | 22:29 |
| zeth | (closed sadly) | 22:29 |
| zeth | but it has tables and chairs so nice environment for open space | 22:30 |
| zeth | people are not in rows | 22:30 |
| lac | My temptation would be to move Christian Theune's talk to Sunday | 22:31 |
| zeth | I think that is what is called "BoF Point" on the schedule under the main days | 22:31 |
| lac | er tutorial not talk | 22:31 |
| zeth | lac good idea, but we would need to check that one with john | 22:31 |
| zeth | in case there is a room issue | 22:31 |
| lac | ok. can you mention it to him? | 22:32 |
| zeth | Python Foundation Class is a lot less clear than "Introdution to Python", I'm sure there must be a reason | 22:32 |
| zeth | i will | 22:32 |
| zeth | Last time Michael Foord's thing was very full | 22:33 |
| zeth | assuming my memory is not confused | 22:33 |
| lac | We can ask John why he picked that title, too. | 22:34 |
| lac | at any rate, you can talk to john about this as you get the preliminary schedule out for my birthday May 6th. | 22:35 |
| lac | is this ok? | 22:35 |
| zeth | yeo | 22:35 |
| zeth | yep | 22:35 |
| lac | and can we do the formal 'endmeeting'? Jacob has just produced a tuna steak and I want to eat it hot. | 22:35 |
| zeth | a half-day for "Working with Excel Files in Python" seems a long time, but perhaps it is more complicated | 22:36 |
| zeth | yeah | 22:36 |
| lac | potaotes and veggies, too, yum | 22:36 |
| zeth | feel free to end the meeting | 22:36 |
| zeth | tartley: are you the minute-man? | 22:36 |
| lac | He did this tutorial at PyCon, so he knows how long it takes. | 22:36 |
| zeth | cool | 22:36 |
| tartley | hey | 22:36 |
| tartley | #endmeeting | 22:37 |
| lac | he is supposed to be the minute man. But I am off for dinner .... | 22:37 |
| tartley | good call | 22:37 |
| lac | see you! | 22:37 |
| tartley | bye! | 22:37 |
| zeth | goodnight lac | 22:37 |
| tartley | yes i did it with him, and think i will be doing it with him again here at pycon uk | 22:37 |
| ghum | goodnight | 22:37 |
| zeth | goodnight ghum | 22:37 |
| tartley | hey zeth | 22:37 |
| ghum | to all the leaving ones :) | 22:37 |
| zeth | tartley: the excel tutorial? Then you should add yourself as joint speaker | 22:37 |
| tartley | i was just adding myself as a speaker to michael's tutorial, actually | 22:37 |
| tartley | the ironpython tutorial | 22:38 |
| zeth | right | 22:38 |
| zeth | here at europython I hope | 22:38 |
| tartley | where do I upload photos? I'm using the django admin interface and belatedly realising that probably isn't the right place | 22:38 |
| tartley | yes | 22:38 |
| zeth | PyConUK is next in 2011 | 22:38 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/speaker_submission/ | 22:38 |
| tartley | right, EP, not pycon uk, thanks | 22:38 |
| tartley | and to those get approved before appearing in the django admin interface, or am i failing to refresh properly? | 22:42 |
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