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| lac | Hi there! | 14:50 |
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| Tartley | hello! | 14:50 |
| lac | see that we lost 2 tutorials? | 14:51 |
| Tartley | I don't think I did see that - I'm just sitting down at a keyboard for the first time in a while | 14:51 |
| lac | Holger withdrew his. | 14:52 |
| Tartley | ah, I see. | 14:52 |
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| Tartley | yes, come to think of it, I did notice that when I was pasting IRC logs | 14:52 |
| lac | Thank you for that, by the way | 14:52 |
| Tartley | Does he just have too much stuff on? | 14:52 |
| Tartley | n.p. needed to get done | 14:52 |
| lac | No, he has decided that he wants to change his focus into making videos | 14:53 |
| lac | beaues he thinks that a tutorial would attract maybe 10 people | 14:53 |
| lac | and a video is for the whole world. | 14:53 |
| Tartley | ahar, I see. Well good luck to him with that | 14:53 |
| lac | I don't know, but perhaps PyCON USA has changed his mind about videos. | 14:53 |
| Tartley | right - the timely processing of videos seems to have had a big impact | 14:54 |
| lac | yes, though I don't see how giving a tutorial and then videotaping it would change things. | 14:54 |
| Tartley | I was watching Bob wossname's 'drop acid' a day or two ago | 14:54 |
| lac | ??? | 14:54 |
| Tartley | one of the pycon talks | 14:54 |
| lac | ah | 14:54 |
| Tartley | about those newfangled schemaless database thingies | 14:54 |
| lac | yes, | 14:55 |
| lac | maybe we should look into it. | 14:55 |
| Tartley | ah, as in getting videos of EP up | 14:55 |
| Tartley | right | 14:55 |
| Tartley | that is a good thought. I volunteered to help out with AV stuff, I imagined that would be babysitting gear and checking sound levels | 14:56 |
| lac | No Holger, as far as I know, wants to make a bunch of videos about 'holger explains X' for a large number of Xs | 14:56 |
| lac | that Holger wants to teach about. | 14:56 |
| Tartley | Ah, I seeeeee! | 14:56 |
| lac | so far EP hasn't produced somebody who lives and dies for video the way that Carl-I-forget-his-lastname is. | 14:57 |
| Tartley | i see. I don't know anything about it. :-( | 14:58 |
| lac | me either. | 14:58 |
| lac | At any rate, I am game for finishing the talks, but if you want to read mail for a bit, I am ok with that too. | 14:58 |
| lac | I won't be going any further than my kitchen for a while. | 14:58 |
| lac | my back! my shoulders! :) | 14:59 |
| Tartley | let's get these one's done, then we know we're up to date | 14:59 |
| Tartley | ones | 14:59 |
| lac | Ok | 14:59 |
| lac | soooo | 15:00 |
| lac | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| lac | PRESENT | 15:00 |
| Tartley | PRESENT | 15:00 |
| Tartley | where are we | 15:01 |
| Tartley | oh yes | 15:01 |
| Tartley | TOPIC Exploring the Django ecosystem | 15:01 |
| * lac nods | 15:01 | |
| Tartley | mr willison! | 15:01 |
| lac | he gives good talks. | 15:02 |
| Tartley | indeed. | 15:02 |
| lac | So we should accept this, and book the largest room for this. | 15:02 |
| lac | because I think lots of people will be interested. | 15:02 |
| Tartley | quite | 15:03 |
| lac | At any rate, I am amazed at how popular Django is | 15:03 |
| lac | If it weren't Willison himself, I would suggest expanding things more to give more interest, but I think we will get | 15:04 |
| Tartley | Yes. splendid all round. So I don't have any constructive critisism, - right, impeccable credentials carries the day. | 15:04 |
| lac | MAXINTEREST from Django developers in any event ... | 15:04 |
| Tartley | alright, well lets just accept then! hooray. | 15:05 |
| lac | you take it or me? | 15:06 |
| Tartley | I'd be delighted to take it | 15:06 |
| Tartley | he only lives up the road | 15:06 |
| lac | ok then, its yours | 15:06 |
| Tartley | DECISION Accept Exploring the Django ecosystem, assign to tartley | 15:07 |
| Tartley | TOPIC Web Frameworks and Jython | 15:07 |
| lac | This seems like another well written abstract. | 15:08 |
| Tartley | right | 15:09 |
| Tartley | indeed | 15:09 |
| lac | so I say we should just accept it as stands. | 15:10 |
| lac | I don't have any suggestions for improving it. | 15:10 |
| Tartley | I think that sounds great | 15:10 |
| Tartley | me neither | 15:10 |
| Tartley | alright then. | 15:10 |
| lac | I can take it, to make the numbers more even if you like. | 15:11 |
| Tartley | sorry to dilly-dally, I was trying to update my 'tallies' count | 15:11 |
| lac | its ok. | 15:12 |
| Tartley | what the heck i got an error can't spot it, forget the tallies count | 15:12 |
| Tartley | we just need to split these up. right | 15:12 |
| Tartley | yeah | 15:12 |
| Tartley | Alright lets just alternate, unless we want to make exceptions | 15:13 |
| Tartley | Can I toss this one to you? | 15:13 |
| Tartley | DECISION Accept Exploring the Django ecosystem, assign to lac | 15:14 |
| Tartley | ha ha! | 15:14 |
| Tartley | TOPIC It ain't broke; lets fix it! | 15:14 |
| lac | This topic came up in the TIP mailing list. | 15:15 |
| lac | so I think Robert Collins really wants to give this talk ... | 15:15 |
| Tartley | sounds like it | 15:15 |
| Tartley | and I for one would love to hear it | 15:16 |
| Tartley | i use unittest myself, and am not oblivious to its weaknesses, but think it is basically sound | 15:16 |
| lac | Have you ever tried using py.test or nose? | 15:16 |
| Tartley | only nose, briefly, and was surprised by how easy it was to get started | 15:17 |
| Tartley | looked very promising | 15:17 |
| lac | I think if you use it for a while you will find unittest terribly clunky | 15:17 |
| Tartley | well alright. I'll make an effort then. :-) | 15:17 |
| lac | well, if you use unittest at work, then it may make work less pleasant than it is now, so be careful. :) | 15:18 |
| Tartley | right. | 15:18 |
| lac | but just the ability to do: | 15:18 |
| lac | assert 'whatever I want' | 15:18 |
| lac | instead of finding a way to turn that into something being equal or not equal to something else | 15:19 |
| lac | I think makes for much more readable tests, and makes writing them faster as well. | 15:19 |
| Tartley | I don't get it. I have an 'assertTrue', is that different that what you're thinking of? | 15:19 |
| Tartley | than | 15:19 |
| lac | yes | 15:19 |
| lac | assert b is 12 | 15:19 |
| lac | assert b == 12 | 15:20 |
| Tartley | both those expressions are 'True', aren't they? | 15:20 |
| lac | assert b > 57 | 15:20 |
| Tartley | all those would work with my 'assertTrue', as far as i can see | 15:20 |
| lac | yes, its not a matter of they cannot work | 15:21 |
| lac | its a matter of how easy it is to write. | 15:21 |
| Tartley | although, on reflection, I don't know if assertTrue is on unittest, or my custom derived TestCase | 15:21 |
| Tartley | I mean they would be written just the same | 15:21 |
| Tartley | but with s/assert/assertTrue | 15:21 |
| Tartley | anyhow, um. are we getting distracted? :-) | 15:22 |
| lac | I think this is a custom addon you have, at any rate I don't recall writing code for this for the py.test | 15:22 |
| Tartley | it must be then. | 15:22 |
| lac | converter | 15:22 |
| lac | and yes we are getting distracted. | 15:22 |
| Tartley | fair enough. | 15:22 |
| lac | So, accept the talk, bring peanuts | 15:22 |
| Tartley | alright. ;-) | 15:22 |
| Tartley | Ah. Do we need to suggest the title includes unittest? | 15:23 |
| Tartley | unittest ain't broke;Let's fix it! | 15:23 |
| Tartley | ? | 15:23 |
| lac | Good idea | 15:23 |
| Tartley | alright | 15:24 |
| Tartley | DECISION Accept It ain't broke; Let's fix it! Assign to tartley, suggest title includes 'unittest' | 15:24 |
| Tartley | TOPIC Introduction to PyObjC | 15:25 |
| Tartley | ah. I know Orestis too | 15:25 |
| lac | shuld be popular topic -- indeed this is shaping up to be a very popular EP | 15:25 |
| Tartley | Quite. I for one am very excited. | 15:26 |
| lac | I suggest that he add something about his expectations for the audience | 15:26 |
| lac | what do they need to know? | 15:26 |
| Tartley | Sounds very reasonable. | 15:26 |
| Tartley | He is an engaging chap, won the 'best lightning talk' at last year's PyCon UK | 15:27 |
| lac | aha! | 15:27 |
| lac | even better! | 15:27 |
| Tartley | about his 'PySmell', for inferring types by 'duck inferencing' for use in intellisense modules for Vim, and other editors | 15:28 |
| Tartley | anyhow, with your suggestion that sounds great | 15:28 |
| Tartley | accept! | 15:28 |
| Tartley | ding! | 15:28 |
| lac | you want to take this one? or are you way ahead now? | 15:28 |
| Tartley | I can take it, I see him often | 15:29 |
| lac | ok | 15:29 |
| Tartley | DECISION Accept Introduction to PyObjC, assign to tartley, suggest he clarifies expectations for the audience knowledge | 15:29 |
| Tartley | TOPIC Python, .NET and the weather | 15:30 |
| Tartley | I don't know what a weather derivative trading system | 15:30 |
| Tartley | is it a trading system (ie finance?) | 15:30 |
| Tartley | or a weather thing? | 15:30 |
| lac | me either, let us see if Google knows, I think the first by what he wrote | 15:30 |
| Tartley | celcius pro.com is about the weather, and how it impacts *your* bottom line | 15:31 |
| Tartley | looks like weather insurance for companies or somesuch | 15:31 |
| lac | yes | 15:31 |
| Tartley | ok | 15:31 |
| lac | amazing | 15:32 |
| Tartley | well, we can ask him to clarify that | 15:32 |
| Tartley | isn't it? | 15:32 |
| lac | somebody wants to ensure for Japans Golden Week ... | 15:32 |
| lac | we need to clarify who should be at this talk | 15:33 |
| lac | anybody who uses .NET or is thinking of doing so? | 15:33 |
| lac | Weather insurance professionals? | 15:33 |
| Tartley | right, as in presumably there will not be many weather people | 15:33 |
| Tartley | right | 15:33 |
| lac | How big a room should he get? we cannot tell. | 15:33 |
| Tartley | I'm considering changing 'specialties when considering' into 'special considerations' | 15:34 |
| Tartley | I'll maybe just suggest that change to him | 15:34 |
| Tartley | when he says 'practical limits of the systems used', which systems does he mean? Of IronPython, .NEt, etc? | 15:35 |
| Tartley | which is interesting | 15:35 |
| Tartley | but maybe he means limits of something else | 15:36 |
| Tartley | so maybe clarify that | 15:36 |
| lac | I think we have to ask him | 15:36 |
| Tartley | yes | 15:36 |
| lac | and architectures perhaps needs to be architecture | 15:36 |
| Tartley | agreed | 15:36 |
| Tartley | ok. With those changes are we happy? | 15:37 |
| lac | yes, though I think we are now to the point of suggesting a rewrite of the abstract | 15:38 |
| Tartley | right. I see. Yes, we have touched on practically every sentence. | 15:38 |
| Tartley | Well. What options do we have, other than calling it a 'provisional acceptance' ? | 15:39 |
| lac | I think that is what we have. | 15:41 |
| Tartley | OK then. | 15:41 |
| lac | please make these changes because we want to accept your talk. | 15:41 |
| Tartley | ok then. | 15:42 |
| lac | And while we are at it | 15:42 |
| lac | The title makes it very much seem as if the talk is for weather traders | 15:43 |
| lac | so | 15:43 |
| lac | Integration of IronPython, .NET and C# | 15:43 |
| lac | with examples from the Weather Trading system | 15:43 |
| Tartley | Right. He also mentions they use 'pure' Python | 15:43 |
| lac | may be a better title for the talk. | 15:44 |
| lac | depending on what he wants to talk about. | 15:44 |
| Tartley | maybe just change the 'of' into a 'with' in your suggrestion | 15:44 |
| * lac nods | 15:44 | |
| Tartley | right I like the direction of your title change very much | 15:44 |
| lac | or 'Integrating' | 15:44 |
| Tartley | it strikes more directly to the heart of the audience who would be interested in this | 15:44 |
| lac | and no preposition altogether | 15:45 |
| Tartley | right, good | 15:45 |
| lac | I think so | 15:45 |
| Tartley | alright, sounds much better | 15:45 |
| Tartley | alright. Tragically, I think it's your turn. | 15:46 |
| Tartley | Sorry to dump it on you. :-) | 15:46 |
| Tartley | alright then, should I 'decision' that? | 15:47 |
| lac | Its mine, that is ok | 15:47 |
| Tartley | DECISION Seek discussed clarifications from Patrick, assign to lac. Not formally accepted yet. | 15:48 |
| lac | and make sure you paste all that we said into the talk section | 15:48 |
| Tartley | did that | 15:48 |
| Tartley | thanks | 15:48 |
| lac | no, thank you! | 15:49 |
| lac | The next one will be a fair bit of work, too | 15:50 |
| Tartley | excellent | 15:50 |
| Tartley | TOPIC Psyco V2 - Generators Welcome! | 15:51 |
| Tartley | Right. Sounds like lots of ground to cover in this talk | 15:51 |
| Tartley | But interesting, fun stuff. | 15:51 |
| Tartley | Do you know the speaker? | 15:51 |
| Tartley | I don't. I'm too out of the loop. | 15:51 |
| lac | He is a good friend. | 15:52 |
| Tartley | well alright then | 15:52 |
| lac | And he has gone from being a totally horrible speaker, whom nobody can understand | 15:52 |
| lac | to one that some people understand | 15:52 |
| lac | what I don't know is what is different between this talk and the one he gave at PyCON UK 2 years ago. | 15:53 |
| lac | or maybe it was EP last year | 15:53 |
| lac | the description needs to be scrapped | 15:53 |
| Tartley | Right. I can't parse it. | 15:54 |
| lac | And it needs to say 'changes in psyco since July 2008' or something | 15:54 |
| Tartley | OK, yes, that would be reassuring with regard to the previous talk you mention | 15:55 |
| lac | psyco also only runs on 386 architecture. | 15:56 |
| lac | which probably should be mentioned for those who do not know psyco | 15:56 |
| lac | I think the whole abstract needs some polishing. I can do it. | 15:59 |
| lac | but it will take a lot of time to discuss it here. | 15:59 |
| Tartley | right. The abstract seems good in general, but (as you just said) needs polish here and there. | 15:59 |
| lac | Since I am quite familiar with Psyco and the politics of LLC | 15:59 |
| Tartley | It isn't clear what in the abstract is background, and what is enumeration of talk content | 16:00 |
| lac | or whatever they are called now | 16:00 |
| lac | yes | 16:00 |
| lac | I think that I know, though. | 16:00 |
| lac | and the background is what should be in the description. | 16:00 |
| Tartley | maybe reinforce the description/abstract split we have mentioned before | 16:00 |
| Tartley | right! | 16:00 |
| lac | And what this is, I think, is a release announcement for pyscov2 | 16:01 |
| Tartley | is that out already, or forthcoming? | 16:01 |
| lac | Not sure | 16:01 |
| lac | its not listed on armin's home page, at any rate | 16:01 |
| lac | I think its not out yet. Armin was quite annoyed about that, and wanted things out | 16:01 |
| lac | but he also doesn't want to have to support more psyco stuff since his plan is to replace the lot | 16:02 |
| lac | with pypy | 16:02 |
| Tartley | i see. I don't find v2 anywhere obvious | 16:02 |
| Tartley | alright then | 16:02 |
| Tartley | with the above caveats, are we happy to call this an accept? | 16:03 |
| Tartley | or do we want to label it provisional | 16:03 |
| Tartley | I guess, to be fair, we should label it provisional | 16:03 |
| Tartley | it possibly isn't fair on conference attendees to accepti it unconditionally in its current state | 16:04 |
| Tartley | although i have confidence that isn't reflective of the talk content | 16:04 |
| Tartley | we have to do due dilligence and provide attendees with best info we can | 16:04 |
| lac | ok. | 16:04 |
| Tartley | alright then | 16:05 |
| lac | Chris a a friend, so I don't want people to think that I accepted junk just because he is my friend, | 16:05 |
| lac | and I think that when i rework the abstract it will look better. | 16:05 |
| lac | but assign it to me. | 16:05 |
| lac | Christian gets touchy at the oddest times. | 16:05 |
| Tartley | DECISION Conditional acceptance of 'Psyco V2 - Generators Welcome!', assign to lac, conditional on coaxing discussed clarifications and improvements to description and abstract | 16:06 |
| Tartley | thanlks | 16:06 |
| Tartley | TOPIC Software Apprenticeship | 16:07 |
| lac | sounds great to me | 16:07 |
| lac | though we need to put a lid on accepting new talks | 16:07 |
| Tartley | yes | 16:08 |
| Tartley | ah | 16:08 |
| lac | else the conference is too full. | 16:08 |
| Tartley | we have 'enough'? | 16:08 |
| Tartley | I see. | 16:08 |
| lac | But I think that this one will be very good to have | 16:08 |
| Tartley | well, what's left, and humdinger-must-haves | 16:08 |
| Tartley | ? | 16:08 |
| lac | what I wish we had was a way to say 'how many minutes do we have' | 16:08 |
| lac | So I would accept this one provisionally on 'do we have room' | 16:08 |
| lac | which I think we had better discuss on tuesday | 16:09 |
| Tartley | ok | 16:09 |
| Tartley | It does sound like a good topic though, one that could have broad appeal across many ateendees | 16:09 |
| lac | yes, my onky question is 'are the apprentices coming too'? | 16:10 |
| lac | Hope so, | 16:10 |
| Tartley | that would be great! | 16:10 |
| lac | I'd like to hear their perspectives as well. | 16:10 |
| Tartley | as part of their apprenticeship! Great all over. | 16:10 |
| lac | and if they are broke, well, we do have some discretionary funds. | 16:10 |
| lac | have to discuss this with others, but .... | 16:10 |
| Tartley | right | 16:11 |
| Tartley | very cool. | 16:11 |
| Tartley | ok then | 16:11 |
| Tartley | do we need any more detail inthe abstract? I don't *think* so | 16:11 |
| lac | I don't think so either. | 16:11 |
| Tartley | I think it perfectly advertises what will go on in the talk, even though it is scant on detail | 16:11 |
| Tartley | nobody can feel it was misrepresented | 16:11 |
| Tartley | alright then | 16:11 |
| Tartley | is it my turn? | 16:12 |
| lac | I think so | 16:12 |
| lac | you may still be ahead, but Patrick and Chris are extra work | 16:12 |
| Tartley | Yeah, was thinking as much | 16:12 |
| Tartley | DECISION accept 'Software Apprenticeship' provided we can confirm we have space at the conference, assign to tartley, ask if apprentices will be present! | 16:13 |
| Tartley | so, um, I've put it in as 'proofread', until we confirm space. Is that right? | 16:14 |
| lac | yes | 16:14 |
| Tartley | TOPIC Persistent Objects with ZODB | 16:15 |
| Tartley | a tutorial | 16:15 |
| Tartley | so not subject to space constraints as yet? | 16:15 |
| lac | no, this is fine. | 16:15 |
| lac | The problem is that it is way, way, way too short for a tutorial | 16:15 |
| lac | who should attend? | 16:16 |
| Tartley | you mean it doesn't have much content in it? | 16:16 |
| Tartley | oh! | 16:16 |
| Tartley | you mean the submission isn't descriptive enough | 16:16 |
| Tartley | yes | 16:16 |
| lac | yes, no content at all | 16:16 |
| Tartley | right | 16:16 |
| Tartley | agreed | 16:16 |
| lac | what experience is required | 16:16 |
| lac | and then exactly what sort of app are you developing? | 16:16 |
| Tartley | what OS will be supported | 16:16 |
| lac | everythoing | 16:16 |
| Tartley | is it hands-on, or lecture-like | 16:16 |
| lac | are people to work in groups or alone or just listen | 16:17 |
| lac | what will they come home with | 16:17 |
| lac | an app? some knowledge? compete knowledge of how to use the ZODB? | 16:18 |
| Tartley | does ZODB need expanding? | 16:18 |
| lac | yes it does | 16:18 |
| lac | and 'to persist its model objects' is very German | 16:18 |
| lac | I am not sure how that should be rewritten | 16:19 |
| Tartley | maybe just skip the 'its'. ...to persist model object. Seems fine to me. | 16:19 |
| Tartley | objects | 16:19 |
| lac | Also what are the advantages and disadvantages of using a) a ODB b) the ZODB vs some other ones out there | 16:20 |
| Tartley | vs simply pickling? | 16:20 |
| lac | that too. | 16:20 |
| Tartley | right, to entice people in who don't yet realise that they are interested in ZODB | 16:21 |
| Tartley | I see | 16:21 |
| Tartley | ok | 16:21 |
| Tartley | Well, I've had all the easy ones, shall I take this? | 16:21 |
| lac | So we send this one back with the 'please expand on your tutorial' | 16:21 |
| lac | ok, then | 16:21 |
| Tartley | right | 16:22 |
| Tartley | DECISION Expansion needed on Persistant Objects with ZODB before we could accept, assign to tartley | 16:22 |
| Tartley | Did we have a submission deadline? Has it passed already? | 16:23 |
| lac | oh yes, it ended the Sunday before Easter | 16:24 |
| Tartley | the submission form still looks active | 16:24 |
| lac | But John went and asked some people -- Simon Willison in particular -- to please submit some things | 16:24 |
| lac | it still is. | 16:25 |
| lac | on tuesday we shall discuss this | 16:25 |
| Tartley | ok then, not an oversight. Alright, thanks | 16:25 |
| Tartley | thanks | 16:25 |
| Tartley | TOPIC RjDj + Python = Reality morph for the iPhone | 16:25 |
| lac | I added 'for the Iphone' | 16:25 |
| lac | I think this may be a interesting technical talk, in that breaking out of the iPhone should be something all iPhone owners | 16:27 |
| lac | want to do. | 16:27 |
| lac | on the other hand terms like 'reality morphing' and 'reality enhancing' give me the willies. | 16:27 |
| lac | I like my reality un-enhanced, I suspect. | 16:28 |
| Tartley | definitely sounds like lots of cool things going on in this talk. | 16:28 |
| Tartley | har har | 16:28 |
| lac | But it would be nice to hear what their music sounds like. | 16:28 |
| Tartley | yes it would | 16:28 |
| lac | wonder if we can get a sample up on the site? | 16:29 |
| lac | or if you need an iPhone. | 16:29 |
| Tartley | that's a great idea | 16:29 |
| Tartley | no doubt he can whip one up p.d.q. | 16:29 |
| lac | sounds like that, more than anything else, will convince people if the talk is for them or not. | 16:30 |
| lac | and if they hate it, well, he prbably doesn't want them in the audience anyway | 16:30 |
| Tartley | seems likely. Alright, we'll ask him about that | 16:30 |
| Tartley | So this is another provisional based on confirming we have space? | 16:30 |
| lac | yes | 16:30 |
| Tartley | Would it be useful if I came to the tuesday meeting armed with stats about the number of minutes we are currently using? | 16:31 |
| Tartley | I think so. | 16:31 |
| lac | since he submitted that yesterday night, he shouldn't object | 16:31 |
| lac | It would be very useful | 16:31 |
| Tartley | ok, fair enough. | 16:31 |
| Tartley | alright, will do | 16:31 |
| Tartley | alright. | 16:32 |
| Tartley | I think this one's yours, should be simple | 16:32 |
| Tartley | enoughj | 16:32 |
| Tartley | :-) | 16:32 |
| lac | yes indeed. | 16:32 |
| Tartley | The title is about 45 chars | 16:33 |
| Tartley | iPhone reality morph | 16:33 |
| Tartley | cuts 8 chars | 16:33 |
| lac | yes but I suspect they want their product name in the title | 16:34 |
| Tartley | ok | 16:34 |
| Tartley | DECISION Provisionally accept 'RjDj + Python = Reality morph for the iPhone', conditional on having space for it, assign to lac, suggest getting an audio sample online to promote the talk | 16:34 |
| lac | we have to think about these long ones, but we can bring this up on tuesday too. | 16:34 |
| lac | I don't want to truncate more than we have to and we need imput from the schedule form makers | 16:35 |
| Tartley | righty | 16:36 |
| Tartley | presumably we're in a state now were we could start to run the data through the schedule generator just to check on how things like that come out? | 16:36 |
| lac | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
| Tartley | well remembered! | 16:37 |
| Tartley | you're good at this. | 16:37 |
| Tartley | :-) | 16:37 |
| lac | that's what I think, too. | 16:37 |
| Tartley | alright. | 16:37 |
| lac | Ok, from something that you said on the talks mailing list it sounded like you were volunteering to write to all the speakers. | 16:37 |
| Tartley | oh! | 16:37 |
| Tartley | ah! | 16:37 |
| Tartley | I think that wasn't what I menat. | 16:38 |
| Tartley | meant | 16:38 |
| lac | you were only volunteering to paste in from irc meetings for all the talks, correct | 16:38 |
| Tartley | heh | 16:38 |
| Tartley | yes | 16:38 |
| lac | you might want to clarify that. | 16:38 |
| Tartley | ok, thanks! | 16:38 |
| lac | and thank you for doing this. | 16:38 |
| Tartley | np, thank you for everything too. | 16:38 |
| lac | Ok, my plan is to go lie down for a bit and then write a message for every talk | 16:39 |
| lac | and then write a python program to grab it and the standard reply | 16:39 |
| Tartley | as in, write the email with each submittors specific feedback in it? | 16:39 |
| lac | and stuff it out to them | 16:39 |
| Tartley | ahar, I see | 16:39 |
| Tartley | ok | 16:39 |
| lac | just checking that you haven't already written one | 16:39 |
| Tartley | yes, I was planning on something similar | 16:39 |
| Tartley | Nope, only the standard email template I posted already | 16:39 |
| lac | Ok, I am going to work on the specialised responses first. | 16:40 |
| lac | but after a bit of a lie.down | 16:40 |
| Tartley | alright then | 16:40 |
| lac | my poor back doesn't like any chair today | 16:40 |
| Tartley | my wife has similar problem from time to time, even on her lovely aeron. I think she likes to sit cross-legged really | 16:41 |
| lac | ok, then, take care and pleasure working with you as always | 16:41 |
| Tartley | alrighty, indeeed. Have a pleasant lie down and I look forward to chatting again Tuesday, unless anything comes up | 16:41 |
| Tartley | thanks Laura! | 16:41 |
| lac | my problem is that yesterday was the first kayaking day of the season | 16:41 |
| lac | (for me at any rate) | 16:41 |
| Tartley | oh of course! | 16:41 |
| lac | so this is the joy of unused muscles getting a workout | 16:42 |
| Tartley | right. We resumed jogging round the park this week too, so that's made me achey | 16:42 |
| lac | but the kayaking was great. | 16:42 |
| Tartley | would prefer kayaking! | 16:42 |
| lac | come visit! | 16:42 |
| Tartley | reminds me of when i lived in colorado, that was very outdoorsy! | 16:42 |
| lac | well, we have 2 guest rooms, so you and your wife are welcome at any time. | 16:43 |
| Tartley | visiting would be lovely - we're always talking about making more of our current residence in europe. My wife is american and we both feel we have a lot of travelling left in us yet, so could end up elsewhere at some point. | 16:43 |
| Tartley | heh, that's lovely of you, thanks very much. | 16:43 |
| lac | I hope you take us up on it. | 16:44 |
| Tartley | me too! | 16:44 |
| lac | we can achedule talks against each other and go kayaking. sounds great to me. | 16:44 |
| Tartley | heh! Sounds supegreat! I'll chat to susan about the idea! Thanks heaps Laura! | 16:45 |
| lac | you are in London, correct? | 16:45 |
| Tartley | yes, and obviously our hospitality is extended if ever you're over here too! We don't have a guest room at the moment thogh! But will do again in future. | 16:45 |
| lac | ryan air flies cheaply from stanstead to göteborg .... | 16:45 |
| Tartley | right | 16:45 |
| lac | at any rate, you take care. | 16:46 |
| Tartley | you too! Bye for now! | 16:46 |
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| Masood1980 | hello | 22:33 |
| lac | hello Masood1980 | 22:39 |
| Masood1980 | hi lac | 22:40 |
| Masood1980 | how are you? | 22:40 |
| lac | I went kayaking for the first time this season yesterday. Now I am sore. | 22:41 |
| Masood1980 | oh i see | 22:41 |
| lac | but otherwise, pretty good. | 22:41 |
| Masood1980 | good for you | 22:42 |
| Masood1980 | i have never tried tthis dvanture | 22:42 |
| Masood1980 | wana talk in private lac? | 22:44 |
| lac | no, I'm working | 22:44 |
| Masood1980 | oh i see | 22:45 |
| Masood1980 | good luck | 22:45 |
| lac | thank you | 22:45 |
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