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| zeth | HEllo | 18:48 |
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| pboddie | Hello Zeth1 | 18:49 |
| pboddie | 1 -> ! | 18:49 |
| zeth | Time flies, I am still at Uni, I run home, I might be late | 18:49 |
| nickbooker | PRESENT | 18:49 |
| pboddie | Oh yes... | 18:50 |
| pboddie | PRESENT | 18:50 |
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| pinner | Hello everyone | 18:59 |
| pboddie | Hello! | 18:59 |
| TheSheep | hi pinner | 18:59 |
| pinner | pboddie: nice to see you :-) | 18:59 |
| nickbooker | hello | 18:59 |
| pboddie | pinner: I'm able to remember this time. | 19:00 |
| pinner | TheSheep: Hello, Radomir - hatta hero | 19:00 |
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| pinner | pboddie: you're not supposed to have that problem until you're my age ;-) | 19:01 |
| ghum | PRESENT | 19:01 |
| pboddie | pinner: Usually I'm trying to get things done before the end of the working day. Looking busy, that sort of thing. | 19:01 |
| pinner | Hello Harald | 19:02 |
| ghum | HEllo John | 19:02 |
| ghum | hello pboddie | 19:02 |
| * ghum after rereading the protocol I am not supposed to call PRESENT before STARTMEETING, am I? :) | 19:02 | |
| pboddie | Hello ghum. | 19:03 |
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| pinner | ghum: correct, but don't worry | 19:03 |
| pinner | hello Jacob | 19:03 |
| pboddie | At least it's not like iCalendar: | 19:03 |
| pinner | shall we start? | 19:03 |
| pboddie | BEGIN:VMEETING | 19:03 |
| ghum | PRESENT | 19:03 |
| pinner | #startmeeting | 19:03 |
| pinner | PRESENT | 19:03 |
| ghum | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| nickbooker | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| pboddie | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| pinner | TOPIC Apologies | 19:04 |
| qwright | PRESENT | 19:04 |
| pinner | Apologies from fuzzyman and tartley: on a flight to PyCon | 19:04 |
| pinner | Any one else? | 19:05 |
| nickbooker | for the bot: | 19:05 |
| nickbooker | APOLOGIES fuzzyman | 19:05 |
| nickbooker | APOLOGIES tartley | 19:05 |
| pinner | TOPIC Review Actions from last Meeting | 19:05 |
| pinner | I think all the actions agreed were either done or at least have been started. We can talk about details under the respective items below. | 19:06 |
| pinner | OK to move on? | 19:07 |
| pinner | TOPIC Registration | 19:07 |
| pinner | 146 delegates are registered | 19:07 |
| pinner | I have put a report on the wiki | 19:08 |
| pinner | Look at http://wiki.europython.eu/Organisers - at the bottom of the page | 19:08 |
| pinner | I will remove this later tonight | 19:08 |
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| pinner | Hello Alex, we're on Item 3 - registration | 19:09 |
| pboddie | I guess this raises some publicity questions. | 19:09 |
| moreati | pinner: thanks, sorry i'm late | 19:09 |
| pinner | moreati: and are looking at the report at http://wiki.europython.eu/Organisers (bottom of page) | 19:10 |
| pinner | pboddie: explain? | 19:10 |
| pboddie | Well, it's the stuff we discussed about getting the word out beyond people who came last year (maybe to PyCon UK, not EuroPython). | 19:11 |
| pinner | With 146 booked and three month to go, we can expect between 300 and 500 people. | 19:11 |
| zeth | PRESENT | 19:12 |
| pinner | pboddie: well less than half said they came last year, which leads me to think that the publicity is working | 19:12 |
| zeth | Well maybe, they came to what? They could be Pycon people | 19:13 |
| pinner | pboddie: but we are not reaching Continental countries well, except for Germany | 19:13 |
| pboddie | I'm aiming to get an article in the Python Papers. Not sure what effect that would have, but I promised them one ages ago. | 19:14 |
| pinner | so we talk about this under Item 5? | 19:14 |
| pboddie | Sorry, yes. | 19:14 |
| pinner | The issue that jacob22 was worried about is venue capacity | 19:15 |
| zeth | That would be a nice problem to have | 19:15 |
| pinner | we think we have an upper limit of 550, if we want to get everyone in one room at once | 19:15 |
| pinner | so for now, let's set 550 as the upper limit | 19:15 |
| zeth | sounds sensible | 19:16 |
| pinner | The main problem with that number will be feeding them | 19:16 |
| zeth | I would love to have that many, but I don't think we will | 19:16 |
| pinner | but Brummies can be ingenious | 19:16 |
| zeth | unless the recession gets worse and everyone is unemployed and free to come to europython | 19:16 |
| pinner | so let's leave it at that for now, and put that figure as a variant in the budget and see what happens | 19:17 |
| zeth | What is the minimum number that the current plans make sense for? | 19:17 |
| zeth | If we only had 350 or 250 people for example? | 19:17 |
| moreati | Is the agenda on the wiki or email? I can't find it | 19:18 |
| nickbooker | moreati: Email | 19:18 |
| zeth | Ah budget is later | 19:18 |
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| zeth | I just found the agenda too | 19:18 |
| zeth | 23 March 2009 21:11 | 19:18 |
| zeth | fron John Pinner | 19:18 |
| moreati | zeth: ask found it thanks | 19:18 |
| qwright | moreati:also on europython-improve d | 19:18 |
| pinner | zeth: the idea is to budget from 250 minimum to 550 maximum | 19:19 |
| pinner | DECISION Cap attendance at 550 | 19:19 |
| pinner | TOPIC Talks | 19:19 |
| zeth | I'm sorry I forgot the lithunia attendance, what was that? | 19:19 |
| pinner | zeth: 220 | 19:19 |
| pinner | Anyone from the Talks subcommittee? | 19:20 |
| pinner | tartley and fuzzyman are absent, in a plane | 19:20 |
| qwright | do we know the numbers? | 19:20 |
| pinner | 41 talks submitted, 2 withdrawn | 19:21 |
| zeth | Strange things have happened to the talks system, but there are 41 | 19:21 |
| pinner | and we probably thin out 2 | 19:21 |
| qwright | how many slots do we have? | 19:21 |
| pboddie | Topics were a problem last year and the year before, in my opinion. Not enough of them. | 19:22 |
| pboddie | Topics -> Talks | 19:22 |
| pinner | qwright : probably 60 ish | 19:22 |
| qwright | implies 20 + to go | 19:22 |
| zeth | 3 days * 7 hours * 3-4 rooms | 19:22 |
| qwright | but tutorials too? | 19:23 |
| pinner | so with over a month to go before we supposedly close we're over half way | 19:23 |
| pinner | which is quite good | 19:23 |
| zeth | Which is rather impressive | 19:23 |
| pinner | and we don't need to worry about numbers of talks | 19:23 |
| pinner | tutorials may be a different matter and we need to solicit them | 19:24 |
| pinner | so I suggest that we leave this to the Talks people when they're all available. | 19:24 |
| ghum | Do not forget the lightning talks | 19:24 |
| pinner | ghum: how could we? | 19:25 |
| pinner | ghum: forget you and the lightning talks ;-) | 19:25 |
| pboddie | ghum: I think you're still the host for the lightning talks. | 19:25 |
| ghum | pinner: was referring to zeths calculation of 3*7*~3 | 19:25 |
| pinner | pboddie: he'd cry if someone else did it | 19:25 |
| zeth | We can always use more rooms | 19:26 |
| ghum | and I cry very loud .) | 19:26 |
| pboddie | What about Open Space and that kind of thing? | 19:26 |
| pinner | the biggest concern on talks is the state of the talks front end software, we need to be getting the output for the website | 19:26 |
| pinner | so people know what they're signing up to | 19:27 |
| pinner | and we can get speakers accepted and committed with registrations | 19:27 |
| pinner | so zeth, nick and I need to pull our fingers out | 19:27 |
| ghum | I was rather challenged by OpenSpace / unconference. I like that idea, but I got into scheduling conflicts, as I selected the talks I wanted to see and just after selection the OpenSpace talks popped in | 19:27 |
| pboddie | Well, I had a nice script which scraped the talks out of your Web site and put them on the Wiki, but that was last year. :-) | 19:27 |
| pinner | a process known as digital extraction | 19:27 |
| pinner | ghum: we'll just have Open Space this year, we won't call it unconference, because the purists say it isn't | 19:28 |
| zeth | Yeah we don't have the unconference religious bits | 19:29 |
| pinner | ACTION: zeth, nickbooker and pinner to finish talks software front end before next meeting | 19:29 |
| zeth | Okay, there have been changes already (by nick I think), I have not caught up with that | 19:30 |
| ghum | and the only relgiious thing allowed should be the Zen of Python, I recommend | 19:30 |
| pinner | TOPIC Publicity | 19:30 |
| zeth | Well unconferences are remarkably ordered with lots of rules, our open space is open | 19:30 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig is not here, so we can't do much, but... | 19:31 |
| pinner | The Sponsors' Brochure is complete and has gone out to nearly all major sponsors | 19:31 |
| pinner | and there is a Publicity poster, a copy is on the wiki | 19:32 |
| pboddie | Nice materials, I thought. | 19:32 |
| pinner | tartley and fuzzyman have taken hard copy Sponsors' Brochures and Posters to PyCon US and will be sticking up the posters | 19:32 |
| pinner | anywhere they can think of | 19:33 |
| qwright | poster at http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity | 19:33 |
| pinner | We will do similar things for PyCon IT (lac and jacob) and PyCon FR if we can find anyone to do it | 19:33 |
| * ghum endorses that sticking | 19:34 | |
| qwright | zeth wrote some good stuff in improve about getting the word out in the rest of Europe - 16th March | 19:34 |
| pinner | and we will be offering prizes at each of those PyCons : free admittance to Ep2009 and 4 nights in a hotel | 19:34 |
| qwright | ROI to be contacted | 19:34 |
| zeth | Yeah, I have no means to carry it out, but that is what I think we should do to make it a success | 19:34 |
| qwright | Is there a list in NL? | 19:34 |
| moreati | that is a fantastic poster, many thanks to the designer | 19:34 |
| pinner | zeth: you mean RoI? - contact Michael Twomey and his lady, I think she's the driving force | 19:35 |
| qwright | Maybe we should hold stuff until Martin is next around | 19:36 |
| pinner | Let's everyone put their publicity ideas on the wiki - Publicity page - starting with Zeth's improve summary, Q is doing that now! | 19:37 |
| pinner | Then maybe have a publicity meeting when Martin is here, say the PyWm meeting on 28th | 19:38 |
| zeth | Can we get Martin to PyWM? | 19:38 |
| pinner | zeth: I think so, I've stimulated a lift for him | 19:38 |
| zeth | cool, he is somewhere near right? | 19:39 |
| pinner | ACTION: Put your publicity ideas up on the wiki Publicity page, publicity people to arrange a meeting | 19:39 |
| pinner | zeth: Nuneaton, which is en route for Holger Kraus and Andrew West | 19:40 |
| pinner | TOPIC Sponsorship | 19:40 |
| zeth | pinner: cool, have you asked those two? | 19:40 |
| pinner | We have a few commitments, and I have put them all up on the website | 19:40 |
| pinner | Zeth: yes | 19:40 |
| pinner | The biggest surprise is Oracle | 19:41 |
| pinner | we await replies from other big companies: Sun, Microsoft, Canonical, Google | 19:41 |
| pinner | Sun have spent their quarter's budget, but the next quarter starts on 1st of July, so they think we may be OK | 19:42 |
| qwright | Visual Numerics are now talking about going for Bronze | 19:42 |
| zeth | cool for oracle | 19:42 |
| pinner | qwright: that would be good: another unexpected one, as well | 19:42 |
| qwright | I still have to approach Nokia | 19:43 |
| pinner | jacob22: any news from your potential sponsors? | 19:43 |
| pinner | Nothing else to discuss on sponsorship really, we have to wait for their response | 19:44 |
| qwright | I'll produce a spreadsheet as per previous conferences | 19:44 |
| pinner | ACTION: qwright to contact Nokia for sponsorship | 19:44 |
| pinner | TOPIC Budget | 19:45 |
| pinner | moreati: ? any progress | 19:45 |
| qwright | IDEA Why don't we have a spreadsheet? | 19:45 |
| moreati | pinner no, sorry. I assume we're still on for tomorrow evening | 19:45 |
| pinner | moreati: sorry, I'm unexpectedly in Londom, Not back until 7.33 | 19:46 |
| pinner | moreati: but OK for Saturday? | 19:46 |
| moreati | pinner yes | 19:47 |
| pinner | OK | 19:47 |
| moreati | qwright: a spreadsheet for the budget, or of sponsors? | 19:47 |
| pinner | ACTION: moreati and pinner to produce budget spreadsheet on Saturday 28th | 19:47 |
| qwright | moreati: both (smile!) | 19:47 |
| pinner | TOPIC Website and Wiki | 19:48 |
| pinner | Thanks to TheSheep for the wiki styling! | 19:48 |
| pinner | pboddie: you had a problem with the css on change display, I think | 19:49 |
| pinner | pboddie: you need to talk about this with Radomir direct, I think | 19:50 |
| pboddie | Yes, the diffs aren't coloured: http://wiki.europython.eu/Organisers?action=diff | 19:50 |
| pinner | TheSheep: any comments | 19:50 |
| pboddie | Try this one: http://wiki.europython.eu/Organisers?action=diff&rev1=9&rev2=10 | 19:50 |
| pboddie | I'm sure TheSheep knows his way around the CSS better than I do, but it might be the common.css file. | 19:51 |
| pinner | I'm more concerned about the wiki content, though | 19:51 |
| pinner | we need someone to take charge of it: we're getting things spread about a bit | 19:51 |
| TheSheep | looking | 19:52 |
| pinner | for example VolunteersByActivity and Helping made no sense | 19:52 |
| TheSheep | sorry for the delay | 19:52 |
| pboddie | What are we lacking and how can last year's Wiki help? (Or the PyCon UK Wikis?) | 19:52 |
| qwright | Most pages could do with more content | 19:52 |
| pinner | I did a little to tidy it the other night, but we need wiki master(s) | 19:52 |
| pinner | I suggest pboddie and zeth could take this role | 19:53 |
| TheSheep | pinner: ah, there was a change in the coloring class names between versions of moinmoin, I will just use the new names, thanks for pointing that out | 19:53 |
| pinner | 'cos they know their way around ep2008 and PyConUK 2008 wikis | 19:53 |
| pinner | TheSheep: thanks! | 19:53 |
| pinner | pboddie: looks like that one will get solved, then | 19:53 |
| pinner | zeth and pboddie are very quiet! | 19:54 |
| pboddie | I'm writing code on my other screen. | 19:54 |
| zeth | Me quiet? First time I have been called that. | 19:54 |
| qwright | zeth: Maybe you should use UPPER CASE | 19:55 |
| pinner | zeth: are you back in the gaffer's good books? or is your card still marked? | 19:55 |
| pboddie | I suggest looking a bit at last year's Wikis, especially the PyCon UK one. Surely a matter of Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V. | 19:55 |
| qwright | ... or cut and paste | 19:55 |
| zeth | pinner: if you mean "she who must be obeyed" then I am in good place for having done instensive house cleaning | 19:55 |
| pinner | pboddie: quite a lot has gone over already, but it doesn't always make sense in the new context | 19:56 |
| zeth | intensive | 19:56 |
| pboddie | The calendar might be a good start. | 19:56 |
| qwright | zeth: RU coming on Saturday? | 19:56 |
| pinner | zeth: I thought you'd got here to do it for you :-) | 19:56 |
| pboddie | I've been writing an event calendar plug-in for MoinMoin, but it's not really that suitable for this. It looks good, though. ;-) | 19:57 |
| pinner | here -> her | 19:57 |
| zeth | I hope to, except my parents-in-law are here now (thus the cleaning) | 19:57 |
| zeth | pinner: you would think so :( | 19:57 |
| * moreati needs to dash off in 10-15 minutes | 19:57 | |
| pinner | zeth: franchisement was not all good news | 19:57 |
| zeth | She is keen to help at Europython with Shelia if that is any help | 19:58 |
| pinner | moreati: nearly done | 19:58 |
| pinner | zeth: great | 19:58 |
| pboddie | zeth: Get your in-laws to publicise EP in Finland. ;-) | 19:58 |
| zeth | lol, I am not sure they know any Python programmers | 19:59 |
| pinner | zeth and pboddie, ar you going to take charge of wiki content? | 19:59 |
| zeth | lots of 65 year-old Finnish hunters turn up | 19:59 |
| qwright | I think the front page of the wiki could be expanded along the lines of the pyconuk wiki | 19:59 |
| pboddie | There's probably a new demographic to open Python up to. | 19:59 |
| ghum | hoping to catch those snake @ zeth and see the wonderfull parrots | 19:59 |
| pinner | ghum: Norwegian blues? | 20:00 |
| pboddie | I can take a look at the Wiki and see if things can't be shuffled around a bit. | 20:00 |
| pinner | zeth: ? | 20:00 |
| zeth | I think I am filibustering and pboddie is hiding in another screen | 20:00 |
| zeth | I will take a look | 20:00 |
| pinner | OK, I'll take that as yes each then | 20:00 |
| zeth | get nick's bot to remind me in the minutes | 20:01 |
| pinner | ACTION zeth and pboddie to rationalise wiki content | 20:01 |
| pinner | before we move one | 20:02 |
| nickbooker | .-1s/one/on/ | 20:02 |
| pinner | Thanks again to TheSheep for the wiki style: it looks good and consistent with the main site | 20:02 |
| pinner | TOPIC Any Other Business | 20:03 |
| pinner | Has any one got any? | 20:03 |
| qwright | No | 20:03 |
| nickbooker | no | 20:03 |
| zeth | nope | 20:03 |
| pboddie | No. | 20:03 |
| moreati | no | 20:03 |
| jacob22 | PRESENT | 20:03 |
| qwright | jacob22: HaHa! | 20:04 |
| zeth | I put off the semi-official pub trek until after my parents-in-law have gone | 20:04 |
| zeth | I let everyone in the area know when | 20:04 |
| pinner | zeth: we'll join you | 20:04 |
| zeth | I have obtained the Birmingham CAMRA guide thing | 20:04 |
| pinner | zeth: getting good taste in your old age? | 20:05 |
| qwright | zeth: All you have to do is decide where to start? | 20:05 |
| pinner | TOPIC Next Meeting | 20:05 |
| zeth | Well we start at the hotel I think | 20:05 |
| pinner | Tuesday 7th April, 17:00 BST, 18:00 CET | 20:06 |
| pinner | OK? | 20:06 |
| moreati | pinner: okay | 20:06 |
| pinner | No dissenters? | 20:06 |
| pboddie | I think that's OK. | 20:07 |
| nickbooker | OK | 20:07 |
| pinner | DECISION Next meeting will be on Tuesday 7th April, 17:00 BST, 18:00 CET | 20:07 |
| pinner | #endmeeting | 20:07 |
| pboddie | END:VMEETING | 20:08 |
| pinner | pboddie: is this iCal, TrollTech, or Nokia syntax? | 20:08 |
| pboddie | It's the lovely vCard/iCalendar syntax. Another output-only format. | 20:08 |
| pboddie | Nokia probably use some proprietary binary-only format for that kind of thing. | 20:09 |
| pinner | zeth: when can we discuss Talks software? | 20:09 |
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| zeth | whenever you like | 20:09 |
| jacob22 | pinner: No feedback from any of my potential sponsors. | 20:09 |
| zeth | I need to come up your way this week anyway | 20:09 |
| zeth | maybe we discuss on sat? | 20:09 |
| pinner | zeth: I'm out tomorrow and Friday, Sat is fine. | 20:10 |
| pboddie | I'm trash-talking Nokia technology and can't even get a reaction from mgedmin. :-) | 20:10 |
| moreati | night all | 20:10 |
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| zeth | I come up to you on friday (assuming the gaffer lets me out), because I you were out today | 20:10 |
| zeth | oh okay | 20:10 |
| nickbooker | bye moreati | 20:10 |
| zeth | maybe not friday | 20:10 |
| pinner | G'night Alex | 20:11 |
| pinner | zeth: I'm at UKUUG tomorrow, talk on GNUspool, Friday I'm fetching an engine from Wales | 20:12 |
| ghum | BYE | 20:12 |
| ghum | TNESERP | 20:12 |
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| mgedmin | pboddie: hi! busy working! | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | never trust a nokia alarm clock | 20:19 |
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| pboddie | Isn't the 8 minute snooze feature on Nokia phones designed by the CIA? | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | I'm sure the 'alarm quietly stops working if you use the stopwatch' was not designed by anyone | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | some internal timer is not reprogrammed correctly | 20:21 |
| pboddie | Perhaps it still thinks you're out running. | 20:21 |
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