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| pboddie | If anyone reads the logs before the meeting, I'm not sure if I'll be around to participate. Not sure whether I have anything to say, mind you. | 13:33 |
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| ghum | good (evening :) ) | 19:45 |
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| pinner | Good evening, all | 19:57 |
| fuzzyman | good evening | 19:57 |
| pinner | hello michael | 19:58 |
| zeth | Hello all | 19:59 |
| fuzzyman | Hello John | 19:59 |
| fuzzyman | hi Zeth | 19:59 |
| pinner | just the three of us so far, methinks | 19:59 |
| zeth | I read your comedy thread too early in the morning, I didn't check the URL and got really confused | 19:59 |
| pinner | zeth: it was very believable | 20:00 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 20:00 |
| fuzzyman | well - except perhaps the part about throwing stick men out of the conference | 20:00 |
| fuzzyman | but only if they wear hats... | 20:00 |
| zeth | I was pretty tired after italy mini-break and thought the US python people were being anal again | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | but I can understand it early in the morning | 20:01 |
| zeth | until later I looked at the comic | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | it was funny :-) | 20:01 |
| pinner | in fact it was addressing a really common dilemma ;-) | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | we had a fun discussion on the PyCon mailing list before posting the entry | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | yes | 20:02 |
| fuzzyman | I agree - I never know what to do either | 20:02 |
| zeth | So I am hurridly adding the blog now after John reminded me that Europython exists | 20:02 |
| pinner | the correct use of smileys with brackets, that is | 20:02 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: what does concession mean on your wiki page? | 20:02 |
| fuzzyman | for students? | 20:02 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/blog/ | 20:02 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: students use the concession rate, like nurses | 20:02 |
| fuzzyman | d'oh | 20:03 |
| fuzzyman | I see | 20:03 |
| fuzzyman | sorry | 20:03 |
| zeth | As with the submission system, the template for the blog is generated by the normal website system. So don't try and edit it in Django. | 20:03 |
| zeth | it is pulled in from here: http://www.europython.eu/templates/blog/ | 20:03 |
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| fuzzyman | Zeth - so that is the new blog | 20:03 |
| fuzzyman | cool | 20:03 |
| zeth | so edit it using the normal build.sh live stuff | 20:03 |
| fuzzyman | it needs some entries | 20:03 |
| zeth | yeah | 20:03 |
| pinner | zeth: ok. if you're making changes to the static site, are you committing them in subversion? | 20:04 |
| zeth | I was thinking of copying out the old entries from the old blog, but they are all outdated and so somewhat misleading | 20:04 |
| zeth | er | 20:04 |
| zeth | no | 20:04 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: agreed | 20:04 |
| pinner | G'd evening, Nick | 20:04 |
| zeth | I go read "man svn" after the meeting | 20:04 |
| nickbooker | hi | 20:05 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: you not used svn before? | 20:05 |
| zeth | only for checking out, at Uni we use bzr | 20:05 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 20:05 |
| fuzzyman | the basic stuff is very easy | 20:05 |
| nickbooker | manpage of svn just basically tells you to type svn help | 20:05 |
| fuzzyman | as it should be | 20:05 |
| fuzzyman | svn st | 20:06 |
| fuzzyman | svn commit | 20:06 |
| pinner | zeth: from /usr/ep2009/ep2009site : svn ci -m 'my commit message' | 20:06 |
| fuzzyman | svn mv | 20:06 |
| pinner | OK, no one else here yet, we'll give them a couple of minutes | 20:06 |
| pinner | meantime, have you read the ProposedFees page on the wiki? | 20:07 |
| fuzzyman | I have | 20:07 |
| fuzzyman | a bit high but bearable | 20:07 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: I'd like your reaction in particular | 20:07 |
| pinner | it has to be higher than PyConUK 'cos we have three days, not two | 20:07 |
| zeth | Well it is in Britain not Lithunia, Eastern Europe is cheaper costs | 20:07 |
| pinner | zeth: probably not! | 20:08 |
| fuzzyman | right | 20:08 |
| zeth | well we are more efficient | 20:08 |
| pinner | zeth:the Lithuania hotel/conference centre was not cheap | 20:08 |
| fuzzyman | it is still cheaper than last year for EP | 20:08 |
| pinner | so, generally happy with fees? | 20:08 |
| zeth | Lithunia should have been cheaper | 20:08 |
| zeth | Yes good fees | 20:08 |
| fuzzyman | it's too late for us to fix last year I think | 20:09 |
| fuzzyman | anyway - fine if that is what is needed | 20:09 |
| fuzzyman | should have been a smiley on previous line! | 20:09 |
| zeth | We are cheaper than almost any other similar programming language conference | 20:09 |
| fuzzyman | yep | 20:09 |
| zeth | Except for TCL/TK conference ( http://commandline.org.uk/more/exploring-technical-conference-demand-and-supply/ ) | 20:10 |
| zeth | And I think TCL/TK were funded by a University | 20:11 |
| pinner | I think we ought to start, although without certain people we can't meaningfully discuss some topics | 20:11 |
| pinner | Item1 : I've had no apologies | 20:11 |
| nickbooker | sorry about that | 20:12 |
| fuzzyman | I'll see if I can nudge JB on IM | 20:12 |
| pinner | any one else got any? | 20:12 |
| zeth | jacob22|home: _dboddie dreimark mgedmin povbot r4vik Tv ThomasWaldmann tobixen xorAxAx Bing Bing | 20:12 |
| zeth | jacob22|home: _dboddie dreimark mgedmin povbot r4vik Tv ThomasWaldmann tobixen xorAxAx Europython planning meeting starting | 20:12 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: we could do with tartley later | 20:12 |
| fuzzyman | I've just pinged him | 20:13 |
| zeth | that might wake someone up, never know | 20:13 |
| fuzzyman | he is red-faced | 20:13 |
| pinner | Item 2: review actions | 20:13 |
| pinner | Publicity: without martin_hellwig we can't discuss I think. maybe he is sleep-deprived with the new hellwig | 20:14 |
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| pinner | wiki. did Ciaran do his updates? | 20:15 |
| jacob22|home | I'm here. Just caught up with the discussion. | 20:15 |
| Tartley | apologies for lateness. Jonathan Hartley reporting for duty. | 20:15 |
| pinner | hello Jacob! yes, I've seen your message on the list | 20:15 |
| pinner | hi jonathan | 20:16 |
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| lac | hi all | 20:16 |
| pinner | wiki. Ciaran has some in RecentChanges | 20:16 |
| zeth | hello lac jacob22|home Tartley | 20:16 |
| pinner | Bon soir Laura | 20:16 |
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| fuzzyman | hello Tartley | 20:16 |
| fuzzyman | Hello Laura | 20:16 |
| pinner | wiki. Thomas has completed the upgrade to 1.8.2 moinmoin I think (if I have the right number) | 20:17 |
| pinner | wiki. But still no progress on the wiki style. I'll ask Thomas to give TheSheep a dig | 20:18 |
| pinner | any more on the wiki? | 20:18 |
| pinner | time for sponsorship then? | 20:19 |
| zeth | yup | 20:19 |
| pinner | sponsorship. we need Quentin here for that, but he's been working off-site today | 20:19 |
| pinner | sponsorship. I think he's nearly completed changes to the brochure, he needs to show Jacob, then we must get it out to potential sponsors | 20:20 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Did you and/or Quentin receive my email with last years info? | 20:21 |
| pinner | jacob22: yes, thanks. he's acting on it. very helpful | 20:21 |
| zeth | Is anyone involved in any other conferences recently? If so did sponsorship go down this year with all the current recession stuff? | 20:22 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Good, I wanted to make sure that this didn't get lost. | 20:22 |
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| pinner | sponsorship. let's action Q to get the brochure out in the next week, OK? | 20:22 |
| pinner | hello sleepless father! | 20:22 |
| jacob22 | Ok. | 20:22 |
| Martin_Hellwig | sorry I am late :-) | 20:22 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Hi all | 20:23 |
| pinner | Martin _Hellwig: we've skipped publicity as you weren't here, anything to report? | 20:23 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Nothing to report, however it is getting time to throw out an reminder | 20:24 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I'll update the message this week with the latest info and put it on the list for review | 20:25 |
| pinner | publicity. so we all need to post reminders to our respective lists | 20:25 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I like to send it at around sunday | 20:25 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I will contact the individual senders for their contacts, as far as they have communicated with me :-) | 20:25 |
| pinner | publicity. OK, Sunday is fine. Let's get back to MH with comments by, say, Tuesday evening, OK? | 20:26 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I have created a subscriber account so I don't get on the filters on all the lists | 20:26 |
| pinner | publicity. and we should have a central list of those contacts, under wiki Organisers | 20:27 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Okay with me, by the way for next year it might be handy to have a subscriber account on the eu domain | 20:27 |
| zeth | subscriber account? | 20:28 |
| pinner | lac: would you rather that, or use an archived mailing list on python.org? | 20:28 |
| Martin_Hellwig | well an e-mail account which you use on all the mailing lists | 20:28 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I think a private address should do fine since you probably get loads of spam on it | 20:29 |
| Martin_Hellwig | and only need to check for a limited time | 20:29 |
| zeth | Well if you send email from it, people will hit reply out of laziness | 20:30 |
| zeth | then they will get angry that we didn't read it | 20:30 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: the only problem I see is that some organisations (UKUUG, ACCU etc) would require you to be a member | 20:30 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Yes good thing you can set a reply to address ;-) | 20:30 |
| nickbooker | zeth: Set the reply-to address? | 20:30 |
| nickbooker | Pipped to the post by MH :) | 20:30 |
| pinner | but I can use my membership and cc to your account | 20:31 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Yes, but those organisation have to send via a contact anyway | 20:31 |
| pinner | nickbooker: can you set one up for MH on europython.eu? | 20:31 |
| pinner | OK, publicity review over, I think, unless anyone has anything else | 20:32 |
| nickbooker | yep. what should it be called? | 20:32 |
| Martin_Hellwig | subscriber ? | 20:32 |
| nickbooker | ok | 20:32 |
| Martin_Hellwig | thx! | 20:32 |
| pinner | publicity? | 20:32 |
| Martin_Hellwig | even better | 20:32 |
| pinner | Onto accommodation then. | 20:32 |
| nickbooker | i'll go with publicity then. | 20:32 |
| pinner | accommodation. our Vanessa has done a lot of work on updating hotel ifo, now it has to be put on the site | 20:33 |
| fuzzyman | great | 20:33 |
| fuzzyman | are we having an official hotel this year? | 20:34 |
| pinner | accommodation. but we haven't chosen a default conference hotel, we'd like somewhere better than the Etap | 20:34 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: that is the plan | 20:34 |
| pinner | So far the options are in the £50-80 mark, whereas the Etap is £38 | 20:35 |
| fuzzyman | great | 20:35 |
| pinner | people can always go to the Etap if they want to save money | 20:35 |
| fuzzyman | yep | 20:35 |
| zeth | if an option was on broad street, that would be ideal, then it is a pretty and short walk to the venue | 20:35 |
| zeth | Etap was always a bit of a hike | 20:36 |
| zeth | through rather industrial looking back streets | 20:36 |
| lac | There is a lot to be said for having a conference hotel which can accomodate a lot of people all wanting beer at the same time. What many people want is a hangout that has beer. | 20:37 |
| zeth | broad street has about 10 pubs in it | 20:37 |
| lac | even if they aren't staying at it. | 20:37 |
| pinner | zeth: Premier Inn Bridge Street and TraveLodge Broad Street are the front-runners, with Holiday Inn at the higher end | 20:37 |
| fuzzyman | lac: +1 | 20:37 |
| lac | can any of the pubs handle all of us? | 20:37 |
| pinner | lac: that means Premier Inn or Holiday Inn | 20:37 |
| pinner | lac: and there's no shortage of beer on Broad Street ;-) | 20:38 |
| Tartley | One idea that worked well at some conference last year was to nominate an official 'conference Pub', which maybe could fulfill that need in part ? | 20:38 |
| zeth | I would go for the Broad Street one anyway, as it has everything a delegate could want, two supermarkets, pubs, cafes, resturants etc | 20:38 |
| pinner | lac: during the week yes, eg Australian Bar. At the weekend definitely not as it's the nightlife centre and full of revellers | 20:38 |
| zeth | would be hard to hire such a place at the weekend | 20:39 |
| zeth | It also has a very pretty canal parkey thing that is nice to sit out in in July | 20:39 |
| pinner | Tartley: we'll start with a pub guide, then. We need a local volunteer, Zeth please will you arrange? | 20:40 |
| zeth | Sure | 20:40 |
| pinner | accommodation: comments on those price ranges, please | 20:40 |
| fuzzyman | nominating a pub does sound like a good idea | 20:40 |
| fuzzyman | £50 is still good | 20:41 |
| fuzzyman | £70 would be acceptable and still cheaper than PyCon US | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | psst! ask for a pub research grant ;) | 20:41 |
| zeth | In PyconUK I tried to organise shepharding for the first couple of days, worked sort-of | 20:41 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: we'll see what we can negotiate with Holiday Inn and Premier Inn then. | 20:42 |
| zeth | What about the TraveLodge? | 20:42 |
| pinner | nickbooker: action me and moreati for that please | 20:42 |
| pinner | hello marius | 20:42 |
| zeth | It would be nice to showcase the nice part of town if possible | 20:42 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I think the apartments are a good deal | 20:42 |
| pinner | zeth: no pub at TraveLodge | 20:42 |
| zeth | Ah is it the Bridge street off Broad Street ? | 20:43 |
| zeth | For the Premier Inn? | 20:43 |
| pinner | zeth: yes, down from the Hyatt | 20:43 |
| zeth | That is cool too | 20:43 |
| pinner | let's finish with accommodation and pubs | 20:43 |
| zeth | but I think having a pub actually in the venue is not so important, as people will probably use the weatherspoons etc anyway | 20:43 |
| pinner | Item3, Registration | 20:44 |
| zeth | As weatherspoons beer is like 99p rather than hotel prices | 20:44 |
| pinner | Have you managed to look at the ProposedFees page on the wiki? | 20:44 |
| zeth | http://wiki.europython.eu/ProposedFees | 20:44 |
| zeth | We might not lose all the Eastern Block | 20:45 |
| * ThomasWaldmann says "moin!" | 20:45 | |
| pinner | ThomasWaldmann: moin aussi | 20:46 |
| Martin_Hellwig | 95 for all days (except the weekend)? | 20:46 |
| zeth | yep | 20:46 |
| zeth | 95 for the three main days | 20:46 |
| zeth | I am assumming sprints are free | 20:46 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: only for extra early birds | 20:46 |
| Martin_Hellwig | about 35 a day, not bad | 20:46 |
| zeth | Tutorials extra charge | 20:46 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Yes but being late costs, not a problems | 20:46 |
| zeth | It is one of the cheapest programming conferences available. | 20:47 |
| Martin_Hellwig | 165 early bird for everything, that is very reasonable considering we are in centre birmingham | 20:48 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: it doesn't include accommodation, of course | 20:48 |
| Martin_Hellwig | No, but I usually have to pay around 300 for 2 days, early bird | 20:49 |
| Martin_Hellwig | without accomodation | 20:49 |
| zeth | I wonder if we can do anything more to facilate room shares, but maybe most people are not as stingy as me ;) | 20:49 |
| pinner | In the absence of objections, shall we go with those fees then? | 20:49 |
| zeth | +1 | 20:49 |
| Martin_Hellwig | +1 | 20:49 |
| jacob22 | Aye | 20:50 |
| pinner | We can always revise the Early Bird and Normal fees as we go on | 20:50 |
| nickbooker | +1 | 20:50 |
| lac | +1 | 20:50 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Are there any reserves for future conferences? | 20:50 |
| pinner | OK, there's a decision then | 20:50 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: depends upon the attendance! | 20:51 |
| zeth | and on the sponsorship | 20:51 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I mean current available budget | 20:51 |
| jacob22 | Martin_Hellwig: Europython has some reserves from previous years. Hopefully we won't need to take a bite out of them. | 20:51 |
| Martin_Hellwig | excellent | 20:51 |
| pinner | if we get lots of people we'll have a surplus to carry forward, if not a loss | 20:51 |
| zeth | Well we may need to if the sponsors drop off | 20:51 |
| pinner | with the economy as it is we don't really know what the attendance will be | 20:52 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Any news on sponsorship? | 20:52 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Do we have a budget for costs? | 20:52 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: brochure should go out next week | 20:52 |
| Martin_Hellwig | great | 20:52 |
| zeth | It is all really random, we can make a huge profit or loss, but the current prices are reasonable considering the costs we ran up in conferences last year. | 20:52 |
| pinner | jacob22: we have venue costs and AV etc, and a budget figure for food | 20:53 |
| pinner | jacob22: food was the major problem at PyConUK costwise and we're addressing that. | 20:53 |
| zeth | some costs are variable with delegates, e.g. food | 20:53 |
| fuzzyman | I didn't realise food was such a big cost | 20:54 |
| jacob22 | pinner: If you could send me basic figuers, I can make a spreadsheet model. | 20:54 |
| pinner | OK, lets' move on: we've already dealt with the preferred hotel | 20:54 |
| fuzzyman | are we forced to use the venue caterers? | 20:54 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 20:54 |
| zeth | We need a huge pile of baked potatoes and beans | 20:54 |
| Martin_Hellwig | and bacon of course | 20:54 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: over 10k in September, more than we'd budgeted for: I'm in mild dispute with the caterers | 20:55 |
| fuzzyman | 10k! | 20:55 |
| fuzzyman | is that during the conference? | 20:55 |
| pinner | jacob22: alex, our PyConUK treasurer has one too | 20:55 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: yes | 20:55 |
| zeth | 240 people for four meals and regular tea, coffee | 20:55 |
| zeth | so 41 per head | 20:56 |
| Martin_Hellwig | 10,25 per meal | 20:56 |
| fuzzyman | so a fiver each per meal and a fiver each per day on drinks | 20:56 |
| zeth | Was the argument over that we agreed net and they charge as gross | 20:56 |
| zeth | Was the argument over that we agreed net and they charged us gross? | 20:56 |
| zeth | of VAT? | 20:56 |
| pinner | food. We're looking at going for good hearty regional food, eg Cornish pasties, haggis | 20:57 |
| Martin_Hellwig | full breakfast three times a day would do me :-) | 20:57 |
| Martin_Hellwig | though we have to factor in veggies too | 20:57 |
| zeth | Martin_Hellwig: Would you be awake for any talks? | 20:58 |
| lac | do the caterers understand about vegetarians and vegans? | 20:58 |
| pinner | zeth: no, we didn't get a breakdown so we could compare with our budget, they're preparing one now | 20:58 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I already arranged that week that I am not at home :-) | 20:58 |
| pinner | lac: that's something we're quite good at | 20:58 |
| lac | also assume we are much more successful than expected, and 300 people register. Will the caterers be able to handle this? | 20:58 |
| pinner | lac: we don't get veggie stuff with fish in it, or vegan soup with creanm | 20:59 |
| zeth | lol | 20:59 |
| lac | pinner: great. :) | 20:59 |
| pinner | lac: yes | 20:59 |
| zeth | Does the setup have to be buffet? | 20:59 |
| zeth | can portions be assigned beforehand? | 20:59 |
| pinner | OK, let's leave food for now: we don't need to make final decisions on this until shortly before the event | 21:00 |
| pinner | zeth: Cornish pasties are pre-portioned | 21:00 |
| lac | and if it is buffet, are their tables and chairs to sit down and eat? | 21:00 |
| zeth | Some people go absolutely mental with piling up food, which makes the people at the back have less choice. | 21:00 |
| pinner | lac: with higher numbers we'll need to stagger it | 21:00 |
| zeth | If 50 people eat three portions it goes out of balance | 21:01 |
| * lac nods | 21:01 | |
| pinner | zeth: that was one of the problems in September: their catering manager was more used to dealing with mixed civilised groups rather than greedy male geeks ;-) | 21:01 |
| zeth | Yeah, I think we need to forget the quality and go for quantity. | 21:02 |
| zeth | Infinite baked potatoes. | 21:02 |
| pinner | zeth: we can have both if we go for regional peasant food | 21:02 |
| zeth | Yeah, haggis everyday and there would be plenty left ;) | 21:02 |
| fuzzyman | haggis is great | 21:03 |
| pinner | food. end of conversation, please! Haggis is good, especially if you capture it young | 21:03 |
| zeth | ok, next | 21:03 |
| fuzzyman | regional food in Birmingham means chips, kebabs or Indian takeaway | 21:03 |
| pinner | Payment methods! | 21:03 |
| pinner | did you see the bit at the end of PropsoedFees about payment? | 21:04 |
| fuzzyman | you want to accept cheques? | 21:04 |
| * jacob22 commented on it in a mail to the list. | 21:04 | |
| fuzzyman | to be fair - you're handling it John (?), so whatever you are happy with | 21:05 |
| zeth | Any reason why we accept UK cheques? | 21:05 |
| fuzzyman | PyCon are relying mainly on google checkout | 21:05 |
| zeth | If we can't accept EU checks then we should forget cheques. | 21:05 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Do we accept EUR at the door? | 21:05 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: cheques suit some corporates, and there are still some individuals who won't use a card | 21:05 |
| zeth | Martin_Hellwig: if it is in a brown envelope marked Z | 21:06 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: in extremis we'd take euros, I guess | 21:06 |
| zeth | What is wrong with European cheques? | 21:07 |
| zeth | Can one cash them in a UK bank? | 21:07 |
| pinner | zeth: bank charges | 21:07 |
| lac | zeth: bank chanrges. Plus some of us come from countries that don't have cheques | 21:07 |
| pinner | zeth: and some countries, eg Sweden, don't have cheques any more, for many years I think, Jacob? | 21:08 |
| lac | yes | 21:08 |
| Martin_Hellwig | we can always say that we accept those non-UK cheques but with an administrative fee | 21:08 |
| jacob22 | zeth: And they may take months to clear, requiring attention from a volunteer. | 21:08 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: that's creating administrative nightmares, OK if we have paid staff, but we haven't | 21:08 |
| zeth | I think we should then put the UK cheques subtly not very prominently, as we are treating UK people diferent than other Europeans | 21:08 |
| Martin_Hellwig | pinner: you're right | 21:09 |
| pinner | zeth: if they want to pay by Eu cheque, they'll ask and we'll look at it then | 21:09 |
| zeth | ok cool | 21:09 |
| Martin_Hellwig | so in short cheques are discouraged | 21:10 |
| zeth | I don't mind whatever, but I think the presentation must not seem the UK people get more options. | 21:10 |
| lac | I am not sure how many people there are who would like to pay by EU cheque and who don't want to pay by bank transfer. | 21:10 |
| lac | My expereince is that cheques are liked a lot more in England than other countries. | 21:10 |
| jacob22 | Should we accept IBAN transfers into the Swedish Europython account? | 21:10 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: we've just had our application for PayPal Website Payments Pro approved, which should be at least as good as, probably better than, Google Checkout | 21:10 |
| Martin_Hellwig | lac: yup, I never used a cheque before I came to the UK | 21:11 |
| lac | We need to accept IBAN transfers _somewhere_. | 21:11 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: great | 21:11 |
| zeth | Can we not accept tranfers into the UK account? Going from Euros to Crowns to pounds seems like two charges | 21:11 |
| pinner | jacob22: incurring more bank charges? We have IBAN capability on the PyConUK sterling account | 21:11 |
| pinner | zeth: we can | 21:11 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: google checkout did have some admin burden and they withhold some money until after the event | 21:11 |
| fuzzyman | so paypal probably a good idea | 21:11 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Ok, I didn't know. | 21:12 |
| lac | Then i am happy with having the PyCONUK account handle the IBAN transfers. | 21:12 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: the Paypal charges are very clear and up front | 21:12 |
| zeth | Ideally we get the UK to join the Euro before the event, ;) | 21:12 |
| fuzzyman | would be nice but won't happen :-( | 21:13 |
| pinner | PayPal Pro does have the oncost of £30 pm fee, like all the other better payment methods, bit We think it's worth it | 21:13 |
| pinner | zeth: as much chance as curly brackets in Py3K : no way! | 21:13 |
| zeth | yeah, it was a joke really | 21:14 |
| pinner | zeth: I wish it were not | 21:14 |
| pinner | OK, everyone happy with payment options? | 21:14 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: so £360 a year? or can we disable the account after the conference? | 21:15 |
| Martin_Hellwig | we can always start our own bank, with own currency | 21:15 |
| fuzzyman | anyway - seems sufficient options, and whatever you do could still be a problem for *someone* | 21:15 |
| fuzzyman | so fine | 21:15 |
| zeth | Martin_Hellwig: would probably be more trust-worthy than these other banks | 21:15 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: that might be too much hassle | 21:15 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: what would the currency be? pyeggs? | 21:16 |
| Martin_Hellwig | especially since we have to do it next year again | 21:16 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Guido's of course | 21:16 |
| pinner | So we'll get the booking form up by the end of the month: and action for me, Nick | 21:16 |
| pinner | Item 4. Talks | 21:17 |
| pinner | Tartley: are you there? | 21:17 |
| pinner | I'd like | 21:17 |
| pinner | I'd like to start reviewing and accepting talks as they come in. | 21:18 |
| pinner | It would motivate those who've taken the trouble to submit early, otherwise they're hanging around waiting for ages to see if they're accpeted | 21:19 |
| Martin_Hellwig | +1 | 21:19 |
| Tartley | sory | 21:19 |
| Tartley | am here | 21:19 |
| zeth | Good plan | 21:20 |
| zeth | _ +1 | 21:20 |
| pinner | So I'd like a small sub-committee to do this: lac, tartley, anyone else up for this? | 21:20 |
| zeth | me | 21:20 |
| pinner | if you all agree of course | 21:20 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I wouldn't mind | 21:20 |
| Martin_Hellwig | at least something I can do between feeds | 21:21 |
| pinner | lac: how about you | 21:21 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: no babysick on the papers, please | 21:21 |
| Tartley | Sounds good. What has the selection procedure been for past events? Commitee chews the fat and assigns numerical votes? | 21:21 |
| zeth | no | 21:22 |
| Martin_Hellwig | well I hope it is digital :-) | 21:22 |
| zeth | It has been yes/no | 21:22 |
| zeth | We have in the past always managed to fit in good talks | 21:22 |
| zeth | We have just opened another room | 21:22 |
| zeth | I know the US is different | 21:22 |
| pinner | mostly yes, there were none rejected at EP last year, and only one at PyConUK | 21:22 |
| Martin_Hellwig | btw I already had to replace my laptop's keyboard, apparently not a good bottle warmer | 21:22 |
| lac | I can do this | 21:23 |
| pinner | OK. Decision time. lac, martin, zeth, tartley, you're on the Talks commitee | 21:24 |
| zeth | The process works roughly as follows. If the sumbitter is not known to be a time waster or crazy person, and if the talk abstract is good, then we accept them | 21:24 |
| Martin_Hellwig | ok | 21:24 |
| zeth | [network lag sumbitter = english.submitter | 21:24 |
| Tartley | Fair enough. If that works, lets not mess with it. | 21:24 |
| lac | in the past there is a different role for the talk committee. | 21:24 |
| pinner | and we can carry on the discussion outside this meeting, for which I'd like to try VoIP as an experiment | 21:24 |
| zeth | Sometimes people offered talks before and then never turned up, this raises questions. | 21:25 |
| lac | And that is, when you get the talks all in, to decide what areas | 21:25 |
| lac | are not covered, or not covered well. And then go out and | 21:25 |
| zeth | well in PyConUK, we rejigged the categories according to what came in. | 21:25 |
| zeth | lac good point, hopefully we between us can figure out people for topics not covered. | 21:26 |
| pinner | zeth: it's really important that we get the software interface (ie submissions to web page) completed next PyWm meeting, Sat 28th I belive | 21:26 |
| Tartley | pinner: Continued talks discussion: to happen right after this, or some later time? My wife is enquiring when I'll be home for dinner, is all. | 21:26 |
| zeth | pinner: what are we missing? | 21:26 |
| pinner | tartley: another time, no need for her to put the dinner in the dog | 21:27 |
| zeth | I plan on cleaning up the database so that the ids start from 1 | 21:27 |
| zeth | what else do we need? | 21:27 |
| pinner | zeth: interface between Django and the web page generation | 21:27 |
| zeth | there is an admin for approving or disproving talks | 21:27 |
| zeth | I need to make it send emails for approval/disapproval I suppose. | 21:28 |
| zeth | Although I quite like personal emails. | 21:28 |
| pinner | zeth: no need to over-automate at this stage | 21:28 |
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| zeth | what should the interface do? Maybe we can talk about this later if people need to go | 21:29 |
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| pinner | lac: tartley volunteered to do the scheduling this year, with you I hope? | 21:29 |
| pinner | zeth: yes, later. when we see for number plates? | 21:30 |
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| zeth | pinner: sure | 21:30 |
| lac | oops we are back it seems | 21:30 |
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| lac | scheduling is fine with me. | 21:30 |
| lac | tartley: where do you live? | 21:30 |
| pinner | OK. Finished with talks. Nick, action me to arrange the Talks sub-committee meeting please. | 21:31 |
| Tartley | lac: London, Camden or Clerkenwell | 21:31 |
| Tartley | lac: yourself? | 21:31 |
| lac | Göteborg, Sweden | 21:31 |
| pinner | Next Item: Any Other Business | 21:31 |
| pinner | Is there any? I don't have anything that can't wait | 21:31 |
| zeth | Nothing that cannot wait I think. | 21:32 |
| ThomasWaldmann | does concession mean "for free"? | 21:32 |
| zeth | no it means the rate above | 21:32 |
| pinner | No, concession means cheaper | 21:32 |
| pinner | ThomasWaldmann: I forgot, thanks for the moin update | 21:33 |
| lac | nothing for me that cannot wait. | 21:33 |
| ThomasWaldmann | ah |-) | 21:33 |
| pinner | ThomasWaldmann: any progress on the wiki style from TheSheep? | 21:33 |
| zeth | It is just the mapping between the three different systems. When we present the Europython 2009 rate, it can be presented in a simplier way. | 21:33 |
| pinner | OK, no more AOB then. | 21:34 |
| pinner | Item 6. (The Last) Next Meeting | 21:34 |
| zeth | Europython 2008 had early bird student rate, PyConUK had same student rate throughout | 21:35 |
| ThomasWaldmann | pinner: i am not informed about progress with the theme | 21:35 |
| pinner | Fortnightly meetings still seem alright, so is the 24th OK? | 21:35 |
| zeth | ThomasWaldmann: if the favicon of the wiki could be the python one rather than the stock one then that would be good. | 21:36 |
| pinner | we may be a bit knackered because we have an Ubuntu BugJam here before. | 21:36 |
| ThomasWaldmann | zeth: url? | 21:36 |
| zeth | http://europython.eu/favicon.ico | 21:36 |
| zeth | rather than http://wiki.europython.eu/favicon.ico | 21:37 |
| Tartley | lac: I'm tartley at the domain tartley dot com. Can I pick your brains then? | 21:37 |
| zeth | maybe I can do that myself, now I have looked into it, do I just over write the file? | 21:37 |
| ThomasWaldmann | zeth: ok, no problem, will do it in 30mins | 21:37 |
| pinner | ThomasWaldmann: Is TheSheep doing it? Can you ask him please? Because if he can't we'll ahve to find someone else. Tell him I LOVE Hatta! | 21:37 |
| lac | tartley: sure I am lac at openend. se | 21:38 |
| pinner | No other suggestions, so next meeting is 24th February at 18:00 GMY, 19:00 CET | 21:38 |
| zeth | cool | 21:38 |
| pinner | GMY->GMT | 21:38 |
| pinner | zeth: less cool than the last week, I hope | 21:39 |
| fuzzyman | fine | 21:39 |
| zeth | We didn't get any boddies at this meeting, as well as a few other usual suspects | 21:39 |
| lac | I would like to leave now for dinner with jacob, is this ok with everybody? | 21:39 |
| zeth | yup | 21:39 |
| zeth | see you on the 24th | 21:40 |
| Martin_Hellwig | guten appentiet | 21:40 |
| lac | thank you :) | 21:40 |
| pinner | lac: who is cooking? what is the menu? reindeer? | 21:40 |
| lac | I am not cooking, since we had this meeting instead, so we are going out. | 21:40 |
| pinner | lac: pampering yourself | 21:41 |
| lac | But you still need to come over to my house and have me cook you deer and whatever else you fancy. | 21:41 |
| lac | exactly. | 21:41 |
| pinner | Good night everyone, thanks for coming! | 21:41 |
| Martin_Hellwig | good night | 21:41 |
| zeth | night all | 21:41 |
| pinner | lac: Thanks. wait until you have Cornish pasties, or starry-gazy pie | 21:41 |
| nickbooker | night | 21:42 |
| ThomasWaldmann | pinner: pasted that straight to #moin-dev | 21:42 |
| pinner | ThomasWaldmann: thanks | 21:42 |
| Tartley | thanks all. I guyess I'm out of here then. Good nights all round. LAC, email from me is in the tubes. | 21:43 |
| * pinner bids farewell, have a good evening | 21:43 | |
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