IRC log of #europython for Tuesday, 2008-12-30

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ghumis NOW the meeting?19:17
ghumor did I stumble accross time zones again...19:17
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ghumhELLO AGAIn19:46
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pinnerGood evening, is anyone here?20:01
ghumMese is20:01
pinnerHello Harald20:01
ghumindeed, mese here since 1800 cet by mixing up time zones :)20:01
ghumWelcome John20:02
fuzzymanHere - but just grabbing a coffee back in five20:02
fuzzyman:-)20:02
fuzzymanHello all20:02
pinnerHi Michael20:03
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qwrightHello all!!20:04
pinnerHello Q20:04
Jonathan_Hartleyhi all.20:04
pinnerHello Jonathan20:04
qwrightHi Jonathan20:04
Jonathan_Hartleyhey Q.20:04
Jonathan_Hartleyhey John20:04
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pinnerHello Nick, like I haven't seen you today ;)20:05
pinnerI don't think we'll be getting many more today, so shall we start?20:09
pinnerMrTopf has sent his apologies, anyone else?20:09
* nickbooker shouts "yes" across the office20:09
qwrightshall we start????20:10
pinnerOK, Item 2: Actions from Last Meeting20:10
pinnerI think most things were done20:10
pinnerexcept that the wiki style has not been done20:10
pinnerThe announcement went out, thanks to Martin Hellwig20:11
fuzzymanBack - sorry about that20:11
pinnerand Zeth has done the talk submission form20:11
pinnermal was active in trying to get the europython.org sorted, but Herr Reulbach wants to keep it.20:12
pinnerAny more action on that will have to wait for Laura, I think20:12
pinnerSO, Item3: wiki20:13
pinnerhas anyone looked at the new headings?20:13
pinnerdo you think they're OK20:13
pinner???20:13
qwrightyes - seems OK to me, I looked at a few other conference wikis and we have more and better tabs than they did20:14
fuzzymanYeah, looks fine20:16
qwrighttake a look at wiki.europython.eu20:16
fuzzymanIt's not linked to from the main page yet, right20:16
fuzzymanI like the 'before-during-after' layout20:16
pinnerfuzzyman: No, I was waiting for some decent styling20:17
fuzzymanThey should all be llinked to from the main page as well20:17
fuzzymanthe styling could be worse :-)20:17
pinnerfuzzyman: it was ;)20:17
Jonathan_Hartleywhat are we expecting from styling over and above what is already there?20:17
nickbookerheadings are ok.20:18
pinnerJonathan_Hartley: to make it consistent with the main site, as well as look better.20:18
pinnerI got the wiki.python.org theme software and ccs and TheSheep is looking at it.20:19
fuzzymanright20:19
Jonathan_Hartleywell it all looks splendid to me.20:20
pinnerSo if we're broadly happy with the headings we need to start seeding it.20:20
qwrightso are we saying that the wiki will have entries down the side rather than tabs at the top??20:20
fuzzymando we have / need a sprint co- ordinator?20:20
pinnerand the best people to get started with this might be zeth (with stuff from PyConUK) and pboddie (with EP-sepcific things)20:21
fuzzymanor have they been self organzing at previous EuroPythons20:21
pinnerfuzzyman: Item 6, Sprints20:21
pinnerbut zeth and pboddie are not here...20:21
fuzzymanI was thinking that if we have a coordinator then that person can seed the content in that section...20:21
pinner... so the best thing we can do is put them in the Action column on this ;)20:22
fuzzymanwagreed :-)20:22
pinnerOK,  so let's say that individual co-ordinators (eg talks, keynotes, sprints) should take overall responsibility for their bit of the wiki.20:23
fuzzymansounds sensible20:24
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pinnerso let's give them that responsibility as they volunteer20:24
pinnerhello martin20:24
Martin_Hellwighi guys, sorry I am late20:25
Martin_Hellwigjust got back from the hospital20:25
Martin_Hellwignot born yet though20:25
pinnerso we can move onto Item 4: Talks20:25
fuzzymanare we live yet?20:25
pinnerMartin_Hellwig: how's your wife?20:25
Martin_Hellwigvery pregnant :-)20:25
pinnerfuzzyman: yes20:26
fuzzymancool20:26
pinnerTalks: We need someone to take organisational responsibility20:26
qwrightwhat does that mean??20:27
pinnerie, for recruiting speakers, making schedules, etc20:27
Jonathan_HartleyI'm not considering it, since i don't want to over-promise, but it doesn't sound hard... for the sake of discussion, what's the catch with this role?20:28
pinnerorganising speakers is like herding cats20:28
fuzzymanit could make use of your spreadsheet prowess for the scheduling JB20:29
Jonathan_Hartleyhar. it doesn't sound unappealing, but like I say, I'm concerned about over-committing.20:29
qwrightwe use traditional methods for the scheduling - that's easy20:29
Martin_HellwigI am happy to assist, but I need guidance20:29
Jonathan_Hartleywill it have much overlap timewise with the audio stuff I already volunteered for? I'm imagining audio will peak near and during the conference20:30
fuzzymanI'm also happy to help with this20:30
dreimarkmoin20:30
fuzzymandoes the scheduler need to be based in Brum for access to the white board?20:30
pinnerfuzzyman: no, it's not Brum-specific20:31
qwrightwell it's really just a blitzing session at a well-defined time20:31
pinnerI believe other parts of the world have boards as well20:31
fuzzymannot this part - south of brum we've gone electronic20:31
pinnerThe main thing just now is to drum up speakers20:31
qwrightpaper, scissors and a large table20:31
pinnerand we can all do that20:31
pinnerfuzzyman: I believe the City went electronic20:32
Martin_HellwigI am more then happy to run around during the days, I might even be useful and carry something :-)20:32
pinnerFor now, let's all contact potential speakers20:33
qwrightthe hard part is having some feel for the different capabilities of potential speakers and the areas of expertise20:33
fuzzymando we have a list of last years PyCon UK and EuroPython speakers20:33
pinnerI will try Russel Winder, Mark Summerfield, Steve Holden and anyone else I can think of.20:34
qwrightwe'll get some good offers at the beginning - then the gaps will need to be filled in20:34
fuzzymanwe could do a round of spam inviting them all20:34
pinnerAnyone else to chase?20:34
qwrightor even an invitation!?20:34
fuzzymanI can contact the PyPy guys20:34
pinnerwe need the PyPy for a sprint as well20:34
fuzzymanand the Resolver folk :-)20:34
fuzzyman people like James Tauber20:35
fuzzymanwho is a Django man20:35
qwrightwe could dig out the lists20:35
qwrightResolver will volunteer without being asked (smile!)20:35
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CMooneyMy apologies for being late. Had trouble with the house electrics.20:37
nickbookerHi CiarĂ¡n20:37
pinnerOK, let's put our ideas on the wiki.20:38
pinnerI've created an IdeasForTalks page, linked to from the Organisers page20:38
qwrightHi Ciaran - Sparkie for the time-being?20:38
fuzzymancool20:38
CMooneyNot quite. :)20:39
* pedronis is lurking20:39
pinnerHello Samuele!20:39
pedronishello20:39
qwrightWhy don't we do a bulk e-mail and then share out the follow-ups20:40
fuzzymanqwright: sounds sensible20:40
fuzzymanZeth handled that last year and we would need the list of EuroPython speakers as well20:41
fuzzymanwho can get that information?20:41
qwrightwe have all the info here20:41
pinnerqwright: we can use the lists of speakers for EP and PyConUK, also UKUUG20:41
pinnerfuzzyman: I have it, I'll create a list if someone writes the words.20:41
fuzzymanI can fire an example email to the committee list and you can improve on it20:42
pinnerfuzzyman: thanks.20:43
pinnerfuzzyman: you'll be on the Action List :-)20:43
fuzzymanI deny everything20:43
pinnerOK, so let's leave talks for tonight: let's aim to get it out by the end of next week, when people are back to work20:44
pinnerItem 5: Keynotes20:44
pinnerI've had no response from Tony Hoare/Microsoft yet, although he has been asked.20:45
fuzzymanCory Doctrow has agreed to do one on the 30th20:45
pinnerfuzzyman: anything from Jim Hugunin?20:45
fuzzymanno response from Michael20:45
pinnerfuzzyman: that's good, quite early to have big name keynote booked20:45
fuzzymanshould I contact the IP guys personally as well?20:46
fuzzymanI didn't want them to be bombarded with requests20:46
pinnerfuzzyman: yes, definitely20:46
pinnerI can't imagine ML bombarding them20:47
fuzzymanok - not hopeful about Jim but we may get one of the other guys for a talk20:47
fuzzyman:-)20:47
pinnerSo, at this stage keynotes are reasonably under control20:47
pinnerKeynote Actions: fuzzyman to ask JimH (not hopeful) pinner to chase Tony Hoare, then let's see where we are next meeting20:49
pinnerOK?20:49
fuzzymanOK20:49
pinnerItem 6: Sprints20:49
pinnerHere we've had a problem at PyCon UK in the past, not attracting sprinters, and not having a sprint history here20:50
fuzzymanyup20:50
pinnerWe must have an idea of what's needed well in advance, to get the rooms for the sprinters20:51
CMooneyHow about having a few preliminary projects suggested or allocated time at the conference arranged before the conference then?20:51
pinnerpedronis: are we likely to have a PyPy spring this year?20:51
pedronisyes20:52
pinnerCMooney: we can have a goo at seeding some sprints, but it really has to come from the projects, not the conference organisers20:52
pinnerpedronis: good!, so we have one sprint :-)20:52
fuzzymanwhat other projects sprinted at EuroPy thiis year20:53
fuzzyman?20:53
fuzzymanit would be nice to have a few confirmed20:53
pinnerfuzzyman: pass20:53
CMooneyOnce we have a list of speakers, a few will be part of projects. Ask them if they'd like to head a sprint?20:53
qwrightDjango would seem to offer possibilities+20:53
pinnerI think we could get a Django sprint with a lot of trouble, certainly if Jacob Kaplan-Moss comes20:54
pinnerI'll ask him20:54
pinnerwith->without20:54
pinnermaybe we should be asking the potential speakers when we mail them?20:55
fuzzymanI'll add that to the email20:55
CMooneyThat'd be a good idea.20:55
nickbooker+120:55
pinnerand ask on the EP list: put a wiki page up first and tell them to put themselves down20:56
Jonathan_Hartleyis there a channel we could set up or funnel people towards, for attendees to propose sprints in advance, to drum up or guage interest?20:56
pinnerpedronis: will you be co-ordinating the PyPy sprint?20:57
pinnerJonathan_Hartley: wik.europython.eu/Sprints20:57
CMooneyWhat day are the sprints planned to take place on?20:58
pedronispinner: don't know20:59
pinnerCMooney: From Friday for as long as needed, see europython.eu21:00
pedroniswe have some sprints before europython, so that's sort of far for us21:00
pinnerpedronis: OK, I've not put you down as co-ordinator ;)21:01
pinnerOk, something is happening on sprints, fuzzyman will put something in the speaker mail, and we'll ask the ep list as well21:02
fuzzymanI think we should target some projects -21:03
pinnerItem 7: Publicity/Announcement21:03
fuzzyman but wait and see if we get any response from the email21:03
pinnerMartin got the main things out, thanks Martin21:03
fuzzymanI'm getting us onto some Microsofty calendar thingies21:04
pinnerBut we need something on python.org, pycon.org, wiki.python.org21:04
pinnerfuzzyman: good21:04
pinnerthe pycon.org things is very out-of-date as I remember21:05
fuzzymando we want the python.org / pycon.org blogs now? I can contact some pydotorg guys and ask them to do a blog announcement21:05
fuzzymanwe'll need wording21:05
pinnerfuzzyman: yes, why don't you and Martin do the wording?21:06
fuzzymanok21:06
pinnerand we can do with another announcement now that the Talks Submission is up21:07
fuzzymanannouncement on our blog?21:07
pinnerMartin_Hellwig: OK to do the words with fuzzyman?21:07
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Jonathan_HartleyI could post up the blog announcement. I guess it makes sense to share the verbiage from the other announcements, or does that not matter so much?21:08
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pinnerJonathan_Hartley: the text need not be the same, but any facts need to be accurate.21:09
Jonathan_Hartleypinner: understood. I will liase and post then.21:10
pinnerLet's move onto Sponsorship21:10
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pinnerJonathan_Hartley: thanks21:10
pinnerSponsorship: Being handled by Q and Martin I think21:11
qwrightI'll aim to get a near-final draft brochure out by the 7th Jan21:11
pinnerHow is the Sponsorship brochure?21:11
qwrightWe need better photos, but it can go out with what we've gon21:12
qwrightgot not gon21:12
CMooneywhat do you need better photo's of?21:12
qwrightBrum21:12
Jonathan_Hartley<stop that laughing!>21:13
fuzzyman:-)21:13
qwrightAlso a speaker or two - John found one which is now on the web-site21:13
qwrightWe have sponsor contact details for this year for pyconuk but not for europython21:15
* pinner is just talking with Q about phoning potential sponsors before we send a brochure to them21:15
pinnerqwright: jacob22 is the man for EP sponsor contacts21:16
qwrightthanks21:16
pinnerOK, so a release candidate Sponsors' Brochure will be available by 7th Jan, and if you have potential sponsors please contact them personally21:17
pinnerAny other business before we confirm the next meeting date?21:17
qwrightI still need to talk to the Conservatoire about bandwidth21:18
pinnerqwright: let's go for a triple- or quadruple- bonded line. We'll need it if MrTopf has his way.21:19
qwrightAlso take a look at http://rubyconf2008.confreaks.com/keynote.html for a good video21:20
pinnerNext Meeting: if we keep to current scheduling, 1800 GMT on Tuesday 13th January, is that OK with everyone?21:20
qwrightHave agenda items for Technical21:20
Jonathan_Hartleygood for me21:21
qwrightAlso financial/ budget on agenda?21:21
nickbookeryep21:21
fuzzymanok for me21:21
qwright+121:21
pinnerOK, that's agreed then.21:21
pinnerThanks, everyone, and a Hppy New Year to you all.21:22
ghumHNY to every121:22
nickbookerhappy new year21:22
qwrightHappy New Year!!21:22
pinnerLet's hope it's prosperous as well21:22
pinnerbut I have my doubts...21:22
fuzzyman:-)21:22
CMooneyBah! I eat credit crunch for breakfast.21:22
pinnerGood night!21:23
pedronisBye21:23
nickbookerbye all21:23
qwrightByeeeeeeeee21:23
ghumb<eb<e21:23
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Jonathan_Hartleybye21:24
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CMooneyNight night people!21:39
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