IRC log of #europython for Thursday, 2008-06-19

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lac_hello hello19:01
Aistehi all19:01
lac_meeting now?19:01
jacob22Hi everyone.19:02
pboddieHello!19:02
Aistelac_: yes19:02
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pinnerHello!19:03
Aisteis there an agenda somewhere?19:03
* Aiste is lost as usual19:03
pboddieNo agenda that I know of.19:05
Aisteok, so I can ask a few questions that I have?19:06
jacob22Go ahead.19:06
Aisteabout tshirts -- where does the logo go? front top left corner or back -- big size?19:06
Aisteor both maybe?19:06
Aistewe need t ospeed this up a bit because they won't print them in time otherwise19:06
pinnerit would be customary for a small logo to be on the front left breast, with maybe a big logo on the back19:07
jacob22I have no opinion on this. Does anyone else?19:07
pboddieI don't care, myself.19:08
pinnerEp sometimes has a big logo on the back, but I didn't like the ones we had in the past19:08
pinnerwhy not go for the logo on the front left then? decision then made, Aiste can get them printed19:09
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jacob22Sounds like we settle for small logo on the front left breast.19:09
pinnerhi lennart19:09
Aisteok, I will pass it on to the volunteer who is taking care of t-shirts19:09
* lac_ nods19:09
lac_what is the status with getting guido's keynote to work19:10
Aisteanother question -- programme printouts, do we do those?19:10
regebrohi all.19:10
Aistethey cost about 200 eur for 400 copies two sided on heavier paper19:10
Aisteand they need about 2 days to print them19:10
pinneraiste: what do you mean by programme? a booklet or just the schedule?19:10
Aistejust the schedule19:11
lac_that seems expensive to me -- .50 a schedule?19:11
lac_also is it supposed to contain sponsor logos, etc? did we promise anything?19:12
Aisteit's for colour printing 4x419:12
jacob22lac_: No promises about sponsor logos in programmes.19:12
lac_we can afford it, and I don't want to babysit a printer again like last year.  But Raymond's talks aren't in the schedule yet19:13
Aistelac_: I have no idea, what is expensive for printing and what's not -- haven't done that19:13
lac_and I want to wait to see how many of the people I nagged still haven't registered before its printed.19:13
Aisteit's not a problem, we can prepare the final variant a week before the conference, that will be enough19:13
lac_ok.19:14
Aisteanother question -- do we need additional rooms to the four that we already booked?19:14
Aisteif so -- how many and for how long19:14
pinnerlac_: but someone will still have to master it, and if we go for professional printing the html website schedule is not good enough quality for the master19:14
pinneron the list I had suggested printing ourselves on the Sunday, so it would be up-to-date19:15
jacob22Aiste: As far as I can tell, we will be fine with the rooms that we have booked.19:15
lac_for rooms -- I need one for hans rosling and one for Petyr somebody to share with somebody else from Amsterdam19:16
pinnerI need to know the room names for the schedule19:16
lac_(speakers who requested stipend)19:16
jacob22Aiste: None of the sponsors have requested room space.19:16
Aistejacob22: so no booths?19:16
lac_ah, those rooms.  ok19:16
Aistelac_: yes :) btw is Hans going to pay himself or EP is going to?19:17
jacob22Aiste: Goggle will have a booth, but I assume we do that by the reception, like last year.19:17
lac_we pay for the room.19:17
Aisteok, so I tell them that19:17
lac_for hans's room19:17
lac_and guido's keynote?19:17
Aistejacob22: yes19:18
Aistelac_: MrTopf offered to sort this out if I'm not mistaken19:19
lac_have you connected him and Guido then?19:19
lac_I don't want him to be waiting for an introduction or something.19:19
AisteI will send an email tonight19:19
lac_ok.19:19
lac_we need to decide what talks we want from Raymond and where to put them.  aside from that and guido19:20
lac_my only worry is that I haven't been able to find anybody with a paypal account in euros19:20
lac_so it looks like we have to eat the conversion charges.19:20
pinnerlac_: we should ask Raymond to make his talk submissions19:21
lac_he wants to know if we want 1 or 2 talks and if we want the tutorial19:21
Aistelac_: that's annoying, I have a Paypal account but it's in litai...19:21
pinnerlac_: I can pull my talks to make way, but we need to know what we're making way for19:21
lac_the hotel will take payment in litai, correct?19:21
MrTopfHi, sorry, thursday is always 3 meetings at once19:22
MrTopfI can also send Guido an email, I just didn't have his email addy at hand ;-)19:23
lac_MrTopf: have you connected with guido and do you think you can fix his problem with videoconferencing?19:23
lac_ah, its what you think at python.org19:23
MrTopfwell, the question is what software to use and what quality it can bring.. Skype could work for a 2-way connection19:23
MrTopfbut ustream.tv would be great for directly streaming it (and recording it) to the world19:23
MrTopfbut it would have no video from EP => Guide19:23
jacob22I'd prefer the core python containers and descriptors talks myself. Guido will talk about Py 3.0, and AI is never what it is souped up to be.19:24
MrTopfGuido19:24
lac_if the hotel will take payment in litas, then would it be possible John for you to get paypal to transfer the money to aiste's paypal account19:25
Aistethey would take mone in litas19:25
lac_that way we only get one conversion.19:25
Aistemoney19:25
pinnerso shall I ask Raymond to make submissions for those 2?19:25
Aistebut I am not familiar with transactions in Paypal19:25
lac_pinner: sounds good to me about Raymond19:25
Aistehow do I trasnfer the money to the hotel?19:25
jacob22MrTopf: I think we and Guido can live with that. I was once at an OSCON where he delivered his keynote by telephone.19:25
lac_Aiste: if you have a paypal account, there is some way for the cash to show up in your bank account.19:26
Aiste:)19:26
Aisteah, that was my question -- how do I do that :)19:26
lac_Aiste: so what I want to know is can John make the money show up there.19:26
MrTopfok, maybe we can use both, Skype and ustream with one cam.. I will test this. Does anybdoy know if Guido is a mac guy? :)19:27
lac_yes he is a mac guy19:27
AisteMrTopf: yes19:27
Aistelac_: in my account?19:27
Aistei think yes19:27
MrTopfit would definitely be good to not film this again from the video screen and then broadcast/record it if he is streaming it anyway19:27
jacob22MrTopf: We should make sure that we have Guidos presentation slides at the conference site, as a backup measure, in case we will have to do audio only.19:27
MrTopfah, good19:27
AisteI will look at it tonight or tomorrow during the day and send you both an email19:27
MrTopfjacob22: yes19:27
MrTopfAiste: great, I will test an example setup tomorrow19:28
MrTopfand will look for backup services to use should one be down19:28
lac_pinner: you are the one that spent forever on the phone to paypal customer service -- can we get them to xfer the money to aiste's paypal account?19:28
MrTopfluckily there are nowadays tons of live video services ;-)19:28
MrTopf(just the resolution is of course not meant to be on a projection but as long as we can see the family photos... :-) )19:28
lac_MrTopf: thank you.  what I know about such things fits nicely on a postage stamp.19:28
pinnerlac_: I don't see why not. I'll make a test transfer of, say 2000 euros if Aiste tells me her account details19:29
lac_sounds like a way to save money to me.19:29
MrTopflac_: more is usually not needed nowadays ;-) ustream.tv lets you more or less get yourself live instantly if you have a webcam installed19:30
MrTopfand then you are famous and all ;-)19:30
Aistepinner: ok, I will send you my Paypal account details tomorrow -- my brain is slightly fried today :)19:31
lac_more outstanding issues -- the 2 people from Sun, Ted Leung and Frank I forget his name19:31
lac_want to use their sun's silver sponsorship19:32
lac_as get into EP19:32
lac_so when they don't pay we must remember they are not delinquent.19:32
pinnerlac_: I've mailed Raymond.19:33
jacob22I say we simply mark them as paid, and be done with it.19:33
lac_will that be ok with your accounting, john?19:33
pinnerlac_: we mark them paid in the system, then I'll override the amount paid, to say zero, all will be OK ;)19:34
MrTopfI need to reboot... :-( so much for macs..19:34
lac_ok, 2 more wire transfers arrived, so I will mark them in too.19:35
lac_so ... any more business?19:35
pinnerlac_: I just to know all the people this applies to, because we need everyone to register even if they're not paying19:35
jacob22How many participants do we have registered, and what is the projected total?19:35
pinner187 registered this afternoon19:36
pinnercoming in at 3-5 per day, is my impression19:36
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Aisteahm, i haven't registered the people hat will be helping me to man the desk etc19:36
Aistethere will be 4 of those19:37
jacob22So, we should expect about 220 people in total, including on-site registrations.19:37
pinnersay a final figure of 240, but who knows?19:37
Aisteand I haven't paid for my company yet19:37
jacob22Ok, then I don't need to update my tote-bag extimations. I've said 250.19:37
jacob22I've had an inquiry from SUn abut wether we will have a post-conference mailing, and if they can be included in that as part of their silver sponsorship.19:39
Aistewhat is post-conference mailing?19:41
pinneraiste: we send out stuff to all the delagates by snail-mail, I guess19:41
jacob22Aiste: It's an email to the delegates summing up the conference and telling them about next years conference.19:41
Aisteah, ok, i get the idea19:42
pinnerjacob22: I think Sun are expecting to send out real paper by snail-mail, with Solaris disks and everything19:42
jacob22pinner: No, that will be in the tote-bags.19:43
pinnerjacob22: we've just done that for them here, from UKUUG19:43
pinnerjacob22: we don't want to do snail mail, there's no reason Sun should have something in a post-event email19:44
jacob22pinner: I'd suggest that we tell them that we will have a post-conference email.19:45
* pinner nods19:45
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jacob22pinner: In the silver benefits, we mention pre-conference mailings, which they were too late for.19:45
MrTopfre19:46
pinnerlac_: have you seen the requests from, I think, Egypt and Nigeria for letters of introduction to gte visas?19:47
pinners/gte/get/19:48
MrTopfsome actually hit my blog and I redirected them to the contacts page and registration page19:48
jacob22pinner: We should get the Pragma2000 logo on the schedule as well. pboddie should have that one somewhere.19:48
pinnerjacob22: OK, can you give me some words about them as well?19:49
Aistedo you need me for anything?19:50
* Aiste wants to go and get some sleep :)19:50
jacob22pinner: It is the company that is run by Stefano Mansini and others. That is about as much as I know about them. They have been advertising sponsors for several years.19:50
pinnerjacob22: I'll make something up, it's usually the best way to get them to react19:51
jacob22Aiste: I think we are done with all issues involving you for today.19:51
Aisteok, thanks19:51
Aistewill sort out Paypal issue tomorrow19:51
pinneraiste: thanks19:51
jacob22pinner: Taking a look at their website before making things up may help. ;-)19:51
* pinner chuckles19:52
lac_thanks aiste and happy midsummer19:53
Aisteoh yeah, forgot about that totally :)19:53
Aistehere we have 4 days off for the midsummer19:53
Aistehappy celebrating for you all as well19:54
Aistebye19:54
pinnerhave a good sleep, Aiste19:54
jacob22I don't think I have any more issues that need dealing with today.19:56
lac_me either19:56
jacob22Anybody else?19:56
pedronisno19:56
pinnermy only concern is the large number of people who haven't paid19:57
pinnerand the workload that entails for lac19:57
pedronis:(19:57
pinnerotherwise everything seems more or less under control19:57
pinnerlac_: when I make a PayPal transfer to Aiste, do you want anything transferred into the EP SEK bank account as well?19:59
pinnerall is quiet on the Western front...20:00
pinnerso I'll say good night20:01
jacob22pinner: We think all the money in the Paypal account will be needed to pay bills in litas.20:01
jacob22pinner: So, no need to make transfers to Sweden.20:01
pinnerjacob22: there are two tranches of money in PayPal, in Euros and SEKs. I don't know the significance of this.20:01
jacob22pinner: I think we turn both sorts into litas. We will have to pay one exchange fee in any case.20:03
pinnerjacob22: OK, I could transfer some of each and see what happens.20:03
jacob22pinner: Sounds like a good idea. Then we can see what sort of exchage rates we get.20:04
pinnerjacob22: and if they they charge us commission20:05
pinnerI'll say good night then. Enjoy the midsummer. Lots of light in Göteberg I expect.20:06
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MrTopfok, I tested ustream with it's cohosting feature and a slideshow20:08
MrTopfthis seems to work20:08
MrTopfso maybe we can use this20:08
jacob22MrTopf: Sounds good. I'd suggest doing a real test with Guido as soon as possible, and if possible making an on-site test with Guido on the Sunday before the conference.20:11
MrTopfjacob22: yes, I will contact him and we maybe can make a test next week20:11
MrTopfI will also write down a little description of what he has to do20:11
MrTopfso it's streamed and recorded as he needs to initiate it20:11
jacob22MrTopf: Great.20:11
MrTopfand tell him how he can show slides20:12
MrTopfhaving a tv studio these days is really easy :)20:12
jacob22So, do you have all the needed equipment for showing the talk at the conference?20:13
jacob22I know from experience that if you don't have exactly the same pieces of gear that you tested with, things will fail.20:14
MrTopfIt's flash so it should work with mostly any laptop20:16
MrTopfbut I tested it with my mac here and this is what I will take with me then20:16
jacob22MrTopf: Good. You never know when the demo effect will hit you.20:19
MrTopfI know :)20:19
MrTopfthat's why I will keep blogtv.com as backup20:19
MrTopfand maybe skype20:19
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febgood evening. What do you think of staying near the railway station instead of near or at the Reval Hotel ?22:47
febIs it easy to get there ?22:48
jacob22feb: The railwaystation is a bit out of the way. You would need to take a bus to get to the conference.23:02
febhow far is it ?23:02
jacob22I don't remember exactly, but I think it would be 40-60 minutes of walking.23:03
feboops23:03
febbus will be the only option23:03
febor take something near the Reval hotel23:03
jacob22Almost all accomodation is in the old town, which is more like 20 minutes walk from the Reval Hotel.23:04
febI saw the review of Dudfield about the hostel near the old town23:05
feband now i'm not sure which option to take23:06
jacob22Maybe I'm exaggerating the distance to the station a bit.23:07
jacob22I looked it up on Google maps.23:08
febi did the same, but it is hard to get an idea with just a map23:08
jacob22Yes, I know.23:08
feband it searches itineries for cars23:08
jacob22I know that it takes about 30 minutes to walk from the Reval Hotel to the southern part of the old town.23:09
jacob22The railways station is not that much further away.23:10
febnever been to the railway station or the old town hostel ?23:10
jacob22No, I stayed at a different hotel last year.23:10
jacob22And I have arrived by air.23:11
febwhere did you go ?23:12
feband is true that almost everybody goes to the Reval hotel ?23:12
jacob22I'd say that about half of the attendees stayed at the Reval. The rest were spread all over the place.23:13
jacob22I don't remember the name of the place I stayed. It was upscale and we got it on a specail deal.23:14
febGonna try the Old Town Hostel. The review sounds convincing.23:18

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