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| lac_ | hello hello | 19:01 |
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| Aiste | hi all | 19:01 |
| lac_ | meeting now? | 19:01 |
| jacob22 | Hi everyone. | 19:02 |
| pboddie | Hello! | 19:02 |
| Aiste | lac_: yes | 19:02 |
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| pinner | Hello! | 19:03 |
| Aiste | is there an agenda somewhere? | 19:03 |
| * Aiste is lost as usual | 19:03 | |
| pboddie | No agenda that I know of. | 19:05 |
| Aiste | ok, so I can ask a few questions that I have? | 19:06 |
| jacob22 | Go ahead. | 19:06 |
| Aiste | about tshirts -- where does the logo go? front top left corner or back -- big size? | 19:06 |
| Aiste | or both maybe? | 19:06 |
| Aiste | we need t ospeed this up a bit because they won't print them in time otherwise | 19:06 |
| pinner | it would be customary for a small logo to be on the front left breast, with maybe a big logo on the back | 19:07 |
| jacob22 | I have no opinion on this. Does anyone else? | 19:07 |
| pboddie | I don't care, myself. | 19:08 |
| pinner | Ep sometimes has a big logo on the back, but I didn't like the ones we had in the past | 19:08 |
| pinner | why not go for the logo on the front left then? decision then made, Aiste can get them printed | 19:09 |
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| jacob22 | Sounds like we settle for small logo on the front left breast. | 19:09 |
| pinner | hi lennart | 19:09 |
| Aiste | ok, I will pass it on to the volunteer who is taking care of t-shirts | 19:09 |
| * lac_ nods | 19:09 | |
| lac_ | what is the status with getting guido's keynote to work | 19:10 |
| Aiste | another question -- programme printouts, do we do those? | 19:10 |
| regebro | hi all. | 19:10 |
| Aiste | they cost about 200 eur for 400 copies two sided on heavier paper | 19:10 |
| Aiste | and they need about 2 days to print them | 19:10 |
| pinner | aiste: what do you mean by programme? a booklet or just the schedule? | 19:10 |
| Aiste | just the schedule | 19:11 |
| lac_ | that seems expensive to me -- .50 a schedule? | 19:11 |
| lac_ | also is it supposed to contain sponsor logos, etc? did we promise anything? | 19:12 |
| Aiste | it's for colour printing 4x4 | 19:12 |
| jacob22 | lac_: No promises about sponsor logos in programmes. | 19:12 |
| lac_ | we can afford it, and I don't want to babysit a printer again like last year. But Raymond's talks aren't in the schedule yet | 19:13 |
| Aiste | lac_: I have no idea, what is expensive for printing and what's not -- haven't done that | 19:13 |
| lac_ | and I want to wait to see how many of the people I nagged still haven't registered before its printed. | 19:13 |
| Aiste | it's not a problem, we can prepare the final variant a week before the conference, that will be enough | 19:13 |
| lac_ | ok. | 19:14 |
| Aiste | another question -- do we need additional rooms to the four that we already booked? | 19:14 |
| Aiste | if so -- how many and for how long | 19:14 |
| pinner | lac_: but someone will still have to master it, and if we go for professional printing the html website schedule is not good enough quality for the master | 19:14 |
| pinner | on the list I had suggested printing ourselves on the Sunday, so it would be up-to-date | 19:15 |
| jacob22 | Aiste: As far as I can tell, we will be fine with the rooms that we have booked. | 19:15 |
| lac_ | for rooms -- I need one for hans rosling and one for Petyr somebody to share with somebody else from Amsterdam | 19:16 |
| pinner | I need to know the room names for the schedule | 19:16 |
| lac_ | (speakers who requested stipend) | 19:16 |
| jacob22 | Aiste: None of the sponsors have requested room space. | 19:16 |
| Aiste | jacob22: so no booths? | 19:16 |
| lac_ | ah, those rooms. ok | 19:16 |
| Aiste | lac_: yes :) btw is Hans going to pay himself or EP is going to? | 19:17 |
| jacob22 | Aiste: Goggle will have a booth, but I assume we do that by the reception, like last year. | 19:17 |
| lac_ | we pay for the room. | 19:17 |
| Aiste | ok, so I tell them that | 19:17 |
| lac_ | for hans's room | 19:17 |
| lac_ | and guido's keynote? | 19:17 |
| Aiste | jacob22: yes | 19:18 |
| Aiste | lac_: MrTopf offered to sort this out if I'm not mistaken | 19:19 |
| lac_ | have you connected him and Guido then? | 19:19 |
| lac_ | I don't want him to be waiting for an introduction or something. | 19:19 |
| Aiste | I will send an email tonight | 19:19 |
| lac_ | ok. | 19:19 |
| lac_ | we need to decide what talks we want from Raymond and where to put them. aside from that and guido | 19:20 |
| lac_ | my only worry is that I haven't been able to find anybody with a paypal account in euros | 19:20 |
| lac_ | so it looks like we have to eat the conversion charges. | 19:20 |
| pinner | lac_: we should ask Raymond to make his talk submissions | 19:21 |
| lac_ | he wants to know if we want 1 or 2 talks and if we want the tutorial | 19:21 |
| Aiste | lac_: that's annoying, I have a Paypal account but it's in litai... | 19:21 |
| pinner | lac_: I can pull my talks to make way, but we need to know what we're making way for | 19:21 |
| lac_ | the hotel will take payment in litai, correct? | 19:21 |
| MrTopf | Hi, sorry, thursday is always 3 meetings at once | 19:22 |
| MrTopf | I can also send Guido an email, I just didn't have his email addy at hand ;-) | 19:23 |
| lac_ | MrTopf: have you connected with guido and do you think you can fix his problem with videoconferencing? | 19:23 |
| lac_ | ah, its what you think at python.org | 19:23 |
| MrTopf | well, the question is what software to use and what quality it can bring.. Skype could work for a 2-way connection | 19:23 |
| MrTopf | but ustream.tv would be great for directly streaming it (and recording it) to the world | 19:23 |
| MrTopf | but it would have no video from EP => Guide | 19:23 |
| jacob22 | I'd prefer the core python containers and descriptors talks myself. Guido will talk about Py 3.0, and AI is never what it is souped up to be. | 19:24 |
| MrTopf | Guido | 19:24 |
| lac_ | if the hotel will take payment in litas, then would it be possible John for you to get paypal to transfer the money to aiste's paypal account | 19:25 |
| Aiste | they would take mone in litas | 19:25 |
| lac_ | that way we only get one conversion. | 19:25 |
| Aiste | money | 19:25 |
| pinner | so shall I ask Raymond to make submissions for those 2? | 19:25 |
| Aiste | but I am not familiar with transactions in Paypal | 19:25 |
| lac_ | pinner: sounds good to me about Raymond | 19:25 |
| Aiste | how do I trasnfer the money to the hotel? | 19:25 |
| jacob22 | MrTopf: I think we and Guido can live with that. I was once at an OSCON where he delivered his keynote by telephone. | 19:25 |
| lac_ | Aiste: if you have a paypal account, there is some way for the cash to show up in your bank account. | 19:26 |
| Aiste | :) | 19:26 |
| Aiste | ah, that was my question -- how do I do that :) | 19:26 |
| lac_ | Aiste: so what I want to know is can John make the money show up there. | 19:26 |
| MrTopf | ok, maybe we can use both, Skype and ustream with one cam.. I will test this. Does anybdoy know if Guido is a mac guy? :) | 19:27 |
| lac_ | yes he is a mac guy | 19:27 |
| Aiste | MrTopf: yes | 19:27 |
| Aiste | lac_: in my account? | 19:27 |
| Aiste | i think yes | 19:27 |
| MrTopf | it would definitely be good to not film this again from the video screen and then broadcast/record it if he is streaming it anyway | 19:27 |
| jacob22 | MrTopf: We should make sure that we have Guidos presentation slides at the conference site, as a backup measure, in case we will have to do audio only. | 19:27 |
| MrTopf | ah, good | 19:27 |
| Aiste | I will look at it tonight or tomorrow during the day and send you both an email | 19:27 |
| MrTopf | jacob22: yes | 19:27 |
| MrTopf | Aiste: great, I will test an example setup tomorrow | 19:28 |
| MrTopf | and will look for backup services to use should one be down | 19:28 |
| lac_ | pinner: you are the one that spent forever on the phone to paypal customer service -- can we get them to xfer the money to aiste's paypal account? | 19:28 |
| MrTopf | luckily there are nowadays tons of live video services ;-) | 19:28 |
| MrTopf | (just the resolution is of course not meant to be on a projection but as long as we can see the family photos... :-) ) | 19:28 |
| lac_ | MrTopf: thank you. what I know about such things fits nicely on a postage stamp. | 19:28 |
| pinner | lac_: I don't see why not. I'll make a test transfer of, say 2000 euros if Aiste tells me her account details | 19:29 |
| lac_ | sounds like a way to save money to me. | 19:29 |
| MrTopf | lac_: more is usually not needed nowadays ;-) ustream.tv lets you more or less get yourself live instantly if you have a webcam installed | 19:30 |
| MrTopf | and then you are famous and all ;-) | 19:30 |
| Aiste | pinner: ok, I will send you my Paypal account details tomorrow -- my brain is slightly fried today :) | 19:31 |
| lac_ | more outstanding issues -- the 2 people from Sun, Ted Leung and Frank I forget his name | 19:31 |
| lac_ | want to use their sun's silver sponsorship | 19:32 |
| lac_ | as get into EP | 19:32 |
| lac_ | so when they don't pay we must remember they are not delinquent. | 19:32 |
| pinner | lac_: I've mailed Raymond. | 19:33 |
| jacob22 | I say we simply mark them as paid, and be done with it. | 19:33 |
| lac_ | will that be ok with your accounting, john? | 19:33 |
| pinner | lac_: we mark them paid in the system, then I'll override the amount paid, to say zero, all will be OK ;) | 19:34 |
| MrTopf | I need to reboot... :-( so much for macs.. | 19:34 |
| lac_ | ok, 2 more wire transfers arrived, so I will mark them in too. | 19:35 |
| lac_ | so ... any more business? | 19:35 |
| pinner | lac_: I just to know all the people this applies to, because we need everyone to register even if they're not paying | 19:35 |
| jacob22 | How many participants do we have registered, and what is the projected total? | 19:35 |
| pinner | 187 registered this afternoon | 19:36 |
| pinner | coming in at 3-5 per day, is my impression | 19:36 |
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| Aiste | ahm, i haven't registered the people hat will be helping me to man the desk etc | 19:36 |
| Aiste | there will be 4 of those | 19:37 |
| jacob22 | So, we should expect about 220 people in total, including on-site registrations. | 19:37 |
| pinner | say a final figure of 240, but who knows? | 19:37 |
| Aiste | and I haven't paid for my company yet | 19:37 |
| jacob22 | Ok, then I don't need to update my tote-bag extimations. I've said 250. | 19:37 |
| jacob22 | I've had an inquiry from SUn abut wether we will have a post-conference mailing, and if they can be included in that as part of their silver sponsorship. | 19:39 |
| Aiste | what is post-conference mailing? | 19:41 |
| pinner | aiste: we send out stuff to all the delagates by snail-mail, I guess | 19:41 |
| jacob22 | Aiste: It's an email to the delegates summing up the conference and telling them about next years conference. | 19:41 |
| Aiste | ah, ok, i get the idea | 19:42 |
| pinner | jacob22: I think Sun are expecting to send out real paper by snail-mail, with Solaris disks and everything | 19:42 |
| jacob22 | pinner: No, that will be in the tote-bags. | 19:43 |
| pinner | jacob22: we've just done that for them here, from UKUUG | 19:43 |
| pinner | jacob22: we don't want to do snail mail, there's no reason Sun should have something in a post-event email | 19:44 |
| jacob22 | pinner: I'd suggest that we tell them that we will have a post-conference email. | 19:45 |
| * pinner nods | 19:45 | |
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| jacob22 | pinner: In the silver benefits, we mention pre-conference mailings, which they were too late for. | 19:45 |
| MrTopf | re | 19:46 |
| pinner | lac_: have you seen the requests from, I think, Egypt and Nigeria for letters of introduction to gte visas? | 19:47 |
| pinner | s/gte/get/ | 19:48 |
| MrTopf | some actually hit my blog and I redirected them to the contacts page and registration page | 19:48 |
| jacob22 | pinner: We should get the Pragma2000 logo on the schedule as well. pboddie should have that one somewhere. | 19:48 |
| pinner | jacob22: OK, can you give me some words about them as well? | 19:49 |
| Aiste | do you need me for anything? | 19:50 |
| * Aiste wants to go and get some sleep :) | 19:50 | |
| jacob22 | pinner: It is the company that is run by Stefano Mansini and others. That is about as much as I know about them. They have been advertising sponsors for several years. | 19:50 |
| pinner | jacob22: I'll make something up, it's usually the best way to get them to react | 19:51 |
| jacob22 | Aiste: I think we are done with all issues involving you for today. | 19:51 |
| Aiste | ok, thanks | 19:51 |
| Aiste | will sort out Paypal issue tomorrow | 19:51 |
| pinner | aiste: thanks | 19:51 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Taking a look at their website before making things up may help. ;-) | 19:51 |
| * pinner chuckles | 19:52 | |
| lac_ | thanks aiste and happy midsummer | 19:53 |
| Aiste | oh yeah, forgot about that totally :) | 19:53 |
| Aiste | here we have 4 days off for the midsummer | 19:53 |
| Aiste | happy celebrating for you all as well | 19:54 |
| Aiste | bye | 19:54 |
| pinner | have a good sleep, Aiste | 19:54 |
| jacob22 | I don't think I have any more issues that need dealing with today. | 19:56 |
| lac_ | me either | 19:56 |
| jacob22 | Anybody else? | 19:56 |
| pedronis | no | 19:56 |
| pinner | my only concern is the large number of people who haven't paid | 19:57 |
| pinner | and the workload that entails for lac | 19:57 |
| pedronis | :( | 19:57 |
| pinner | otherwise everything seems more or less under control | 19:57 |
| pinner | lac_: when I make a PayPal transfer to Aiste, do you want anything transferred into the EP SEK bank account as well? | 19:59 |
| pinner | all is quiet on the Western front... | 20:00 |
| pinner | so I'll say good night | 20:01 |
| jacob22 | pinner: We think all the money in the Paypal account will be needed to pay bills in litas. | 20:01 |
| jacob22 | pinner: So, no need to make transfers to Sweden. | 20:01 |
| pinner | jacob22: there are two tranches of money in PayPal, in Euros and SEKs. I don't know the significance of this. | 20:01 |
| jacob22 | pinner: I think we turn both sorts into litas. We will have to pay one exchange fee in any case. | 20:03 |
| pinner | jacob22: OK, I could transfer some of each and see what happens. | 20:03 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Sounds like a good idea. Then we can see what sort of exchage rates we get. | 20:04 |
| pinner | jacob22: and if they they charge us commission | 20:05 |
| pinner | I'll say good night then. Enjoy the midsummer. Lots of light in Göteberg I expect. | 20:06 |
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| MrTopf | ok, I tested ustream with it's cohosting feature and a slideshow | 20:08 |
| MrTopf | this seems to work | 20:08 |
| MrTopf | so maybe we can use this | 20:08 |
| jacob22 | MrTopf: Sounds good. I'd suggest doing a real test with Guido as soon as possible, and if possible making an on-site test with Guido on the Sunday before the conference. | 20:11 |
| MrTopf | jacob22: yes, I will contact him and we maybe can make a test next week | 20:11 |
| MrTopf | I will also write down a little description of what he has to do | 20:11 |
| MrTopf | so it's streamed and recorded as he needs to initiate it | 20:11 |
| jacob22 | MrTopf: Great. | 20:11 |
| MrTopf | and tell him how he can show slides | 20:12 |
| MrTopf | having a tv studio these days is really easy :) | 20:12 |
| jacob22 | So, do you have all the needed equipment for showing the talk at the conference? | 20:13 |
| jacob22 | I know from experience that if you don't have exactly the same pieces of gear that you tested with, things will fail. | 20:14 |
| MrTopf | It's flash so it should work with mostly any laptop | 20:16 |
| MrTopf | but I tested it with my mac here and this is what I will take with me then | 20:16 |
| jacob22 | MrTopf: Good. You never know when the demo effect will hit you. | 20:19 |
| MrTopf | I know :) | 20:19 |
| MrTopf | that's why I will keep blogtv.com as backup | 20:19 |
| MrTopf | and maybe skype | 20:19 |
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| feb | good evening. What do you think of staying near the railway station instead of near or at the Reval Hotel ? | 22:47 |
| feb | Is it easy to get there ? | 22:48 |
| jacob22 | feb: The railwaystation is a bit out of the way. You would need to take a bus to get to the conference. | 23:02 |
| feb | how far is it ? | 23:02 |
| jacob22 | I don't remember exactly, but I think it would be 40-60 minutes of walking. | 23:03 |
| feb | oops | 23:03 |
| feb | bus will be the only option | 23:03 |
| feb | or take something near the Reval hotel | 23:03 |
| jacob22 | Almost all accomodation is in the old town, which is more like 20 minutes walk from the Reval Hotel. | 23:04 |
| feb | I saw the review of Dudfield about the hostel near the old town | 23:05 |
| feb | and now i'm not sure which option to take | 23:06 |
| jacob22 | Maybe I'm exaggerating the distance to the station a bit. | 23:07 |
| jacob22 | I looked it up on Google maps. | 23:08 |
| feb | i did the same, but it is hard to get an idea with just a map | 23:08 |
| jacob22 | Yes, I know. | 23:08 |
| feb | and it searches itineries for cars | 23:08 |
| jacob22 | I know that it takes about 30 minutes to walk from the Reval Hotel to the southern part of the old town. | 23:09 |
| jacob22 | The railways station is not that much further away. | 23:10 |
| feb | never been to the railway station or the old town hostel ? | 23:10 |
| jacob22 | No, I stayed at a different hotel last year. | 23:10 |
| jacob22 | And I have arrived by air. | 23:11 |
| feb | where did you go ? | 23:12 |
| feb | and is true that almost everybody goes to the Reval hotel ? | 23:12 |
| jacob22 | I'd say that about half of the attendees stayed at the Reval. The rest were spread all over the place. | 23:13 |
| jacob22 | I don't remember the name of the place I stayed. It was upscale and we got it on a specail deal. | 23:14 |
| feb | Gonna try the Old Town Hostel. The review sounds convincing. | 23:18 |
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