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| dboddie_work | http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting15 | 19:01 |
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| pinner | hello all! | 19:02 |
| lac | hi all | 19:03 |
| pinner | hi, I don't see anyone else yet | 19:03 |
| jacob22 | Hi! | 19:04 |
| lac | samuele is around and jacob is in our living room now. I will tell him the meeting is on | 19:04 |
| dboddie_work | http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting15 | 19:04 |
| lac | ah, no need. :-) | 19:04 |
| jacob22 | So, do we get started? | 19:05 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie will join us, but maybe we could start. | 19:05 |
| jacob22 | What is the current number if registered participants? | 19:06 |
| jacob22 | s/if/of/ | 19:06 |
| pinner | jacob22: 158 as I recall, I sent a report earlier to lac | 19:06 |
| pinner | yes, 158 registered as at 14:04 UTC | 19:08 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Then we are slightly ahead of last years registration. That is good. | 19:08 |
| pinner | needs a big step up in publicity to get to 300 | 19:08 |
| lac | I have 27 more envelopes of money transfers | 19:09 |
| dboddie_work | We need to spread more coverage of http://europython.wordpress.com | 19:09 |
| pinner | lac: have you seen the PayPal figures I sent you? | 19:09 |
| lac | yes | 19:09 |
| pinner | lac: will you make the | 19:10 |
| pinner | lac: sorry, make the bank transfer, or do you want me to? | 19:10 |
| lac | I would like you to. But is there any way we can transfer the money to some other place that does not need converting to SEK | 19:11 |
| lac | because I will just have to convert it out again, grrr | 19:11 |
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| dboddie_work | Hi pboddie! | 19:11 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Hello! | 19:12 |
| pinner | lac: maybe you need to speak to Dario, all I know is that some of the PayPal balance is SEK, some Euros | 19:12 |
| pinner | lac:I dont see why we should transfer the SEK, and not the Euros for now. | 19:12 |
| pinner | lac: should -> should not | 19:12 |
| jacob22 | pinner: I think the problem is that PayPal insists on converting the money to SEK for a transfer to Sweden, even though it goes to a Euro currency account. | 19:13 |
| pinner | lac: I wonder if Hotel Reval Lietuva have a Paypal account? | 19:13 |
| pinner | jacob22: yes, I've just realised that | 19:14 |
| lac | we need aiste for this. | 19:15 |
| lac | Shall I phone her? | 19:15 |
| jacob22 | I don't think it is a problem to solve in a meeting. | 19:16 |
| pinner | jacob22: agreed | 19:16 |
| lac | I have been able to login to the swedish bank account over the internet, but while it is happy to tell me how much money I have in the SEK account, it doesn't show the amount in hte Euro account. | 19:17 |
| lac | So I will have to go to the bank to find out how much that is. | 19:17 |
| lac | Does anybody know if the information on http://www.europython.org/Travel%20Visas | 19:20 |
| lac | is accurate and up to date? | 19:20 |
| lac | I have 2 letters of invitation to write and I don't know what to say in them. | 19:20 |
| pinner | lac: shouldn't the locals handle this? | 19:21 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Do you have letters from last year? | 19:22 |
| lac | They haven't so far. | 19:22 |
| lac | the letters from last year are no good. the rules have changed as Lithuania has joined the chengen area | 19:22 |
| lac | I think I know what the new rules are and I think I can write the letters. | 19:22 |
| pboddie | lac: Apart from minor adjustments, I haven't changed the visa information since last year. Some people said that something may have changed (it was something about Russian people, I think), but no-one local has made any edits. | 19:23 |
| pinner | lac: Then I suggest you write a draft and hand it over to the locals to double check and send them out | 19:23 |
| pboddie | One of the big changes was the Schengen thing, and that's written up on the Travel page. | 19:23 |
| lac | Ok, so only aiste, who told me that things have changed knows how they have changed and she's never around these days when I am around | 19:24 |
| pboddie | (Or maybe Location.) | 19:24 |
| lac | Ok, will do so. | 19:24 |
| dboddie_work | http://www.urm.lt/index.php?885035335 | 19:24 |
| dboddie_work | That seems to cover some of the issues. | 19:24 |
| dboddie_work | I'll update the Wiki. | 19:25 |
| pinner | can we talk about registration? Is there anything more you need from me on this? | 19:25 |
| lac | I don't need anything about registration. I need to get into romancart and update teh people who have paid | 19:26 |
| lac | but if I have any toruble with that I will mail you. | 19:26 |
| lac | do you need anything from me? | 19:27 |
| pinner | afaik I have to produce a delegates list for the goodie bag, and another slightly different one for checking in at the desk. | 19:27 |
| pinner | lac: only the bank transfers | 19:27 |
| pinner | have you seen the badges? | 19:27 |
| pinner | Dinu sent me draft badges made from the data and info I sent him | 19:28 |
| pinner | don't know if he sent you a copy | 19:28 |
| pinner | so I've just put a pdf up at http://www.brumpy.net/stuff/badge_data-hpda.pdf | 19:29 |
| pinner | which I will take down again by the end of the meeting | 19:29 |
| pinner | the badges fit the o'Reilly badge holders well | 19:30 |
| jacob22 | You need a visa for any Schengen country. http://www.urm.lt/index.php?1797666606 | 19:30 |
| pinner | I think they're very good looking, speakers have their names in red and are very colourful | 19:31 |
| lac | I like them. | 19:32 |
| pinner | Anglo-German cooperation | 19:33 |
| pboddie | Very nice. A bit of overflow going on (see page 2). When I did the Indico template, I remember having to more or less go through most of the entries finding the longest company name. | 19:33 |
| jacob22 | I see a bug though. | 19:33 |
| pinner | jacob22: there are some problems, some mine, some Dinus | 19:34 |
| pinner | jacob22: but they will be sorted, this is a first cut | 19:34 |
| lac | jacob22 you mean 'nobody with residence in a Scehngen country needs a visa' no? | 19:34 |
| jacob22 | The letter after a letter with é â and stuff like that gets uppercased. | 19:34 |
| pinner | jacob22: I know, I'm still learning... | 19:35 |
| pboddie | jacob22: I saw this in John's summaries and just assumed it was Kate (the text editor) getting confused. | 19:35 |
| jacob22 | lac: To enter Lithuania, a citizen of a third country needs a visa for any Schenegn country. Says so in the webpage of the foreign ministry of Lithuania. | 19:35 |
| pinner | pboddie: it's me that's confused, but I have it licked now, as a UK person I've only been used to one byte character sets | 19:36 |
| dboddie_work | lac: If you're in this list, you don't need a visa: http://www.urm.lt/index.php?596869337 | 19:36 |
| pboddie | From my understanding, once you're in Schengen and have a suitable visa, you can go anywhere in Schengen. There may be more restrictive visas, however. | 19:37 |
| pinner | pboddie: got it licked on the talks, now need to apply the lessons learnt to the registration | 19:37 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Though the server seems to serve up random URLs for those pages. | 19:37 |
| pboddie | pinner: Something for your talk, perhaps? ;-) | 19:37 |
| pinner | jacob22: did you check out what I'd done on the sponsors sidebar on the talks schedule? | 19:38 |
| pinner | pboddie: maybe ;) | 19:38 |
| pboddie | pinner, jacob22: Could I have the sponsor images for the rotating banner? | 19:39 |
| jacob22 | pinner: No, I've been busy. Time slot for EP sponsor work is coming up tomorrow morning. | 19:39 |
| pinner | jacob22: you may need to make corrections, and supply me with up-to-date sponsors data | 19:39 |
| lac | well that means that if Aiste cannot get them Lithuanian visas due to being busy, I can get them Swedish ones and this will work according to the webpage. But it seems weird to me. | 19:39 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: I will send the ones I have to you at the latest tomorrow morning. | 19:39 |
| pboddie | jacob22: Great! | 19:39 |
| pinner | pboddie: they are on the server, I can give you the directory | 19:40 |
| pboddie | If it's just a case of "save image as", I'll do that. | 19:40 |
| pinner | pboddie: /home/europython/europython.d/proto/images | 19:40 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Can you add these useful links to the Wiki? | 19:41 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: They're already there. | 19:41 |
| pinner | jacob22: I need the images as well. | 19:41 |
| jacob22 | If we are discussing sponsors, I have 2 updates. We have one more advertising sponsor, and Sun, who are interested in a silver sponsorship (without a booth it seems). I'll make a special deal for them. | 19:42 |
| pinner | pboddie: best not to publich that directory I just gave you | 19:42 |
| pboddie | jacob22: Did you get back to Infrae? | 19:42 |
| jacob22 | pinner: I'll send you a copy as well. | 19:42 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: No, I should. | 19:42 |
| pboddie | jacob22: If they want to recycle their old banner, that's completely possible, of course. :-) | 19:43 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: Great. | 19:43 |
| pinner | jacob22: how much are Goofle, sorry Google, sponsoring this year? | 19:44 |
| pinner | jacob22: because they've told us at PyCon UK that they have spent their budget for this year | 19:45 |
| pboddie | pinner: Nobody said that Lord Kitchener was giving a talk this year! ;-) | 19:45 |
| pinner | pboddie: maybe one of us should dress up, hire a moustache and uniform | 19:46 |
| pboddie | More seriously: if a definitive list of sponsors could be made available privately (or just the ones who will have banner images), then that would be superb from my perspective. | 19:47 |
| lac | Google paid 1300 | 19:47 |
| pinner | lac: generous, then | 19:49 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: I'll make such a list. | 19:49 |
| pboddie | Thanks Jacob! | 19:50 |
| regebro | Alright, meeting! I knew it was a good idea to auto-open this channel! Hi all! :) | 19:50 |
| pboddie | Hello! | 19:51 |
| lac | hi lennart | 19:51 |
| pinner | hello! | 19:51 |
| pboddie | Do we have any need to discuss attendee sponsorship, or is that all taken care of? | 19:52 |
| pboddie | Such as a few of the speakers were looking for funding. Not to say much because this was all on the contact list. | 19:53 |
| jacob22 | Shall we do the issue of organising sponsors. I propose that organisers get a free banner ad on the website. | 19:53 |
| pinner | jacob22: I'm neutral on this | 19:54 |
| jacob22 | I don't see this just as a reward for the organisers, but also as a way too boost the impression of sponsorship for the conference. It attracts more sponsors for the future. | 19:54 |
| pboddie | Sounds like a nice gesture. In the case of one of the sponsors, could we stop them from having one anyway? ;-) | 19:54 |
| jacob22 | I don't hear any protests, so this is what we will do. | 19:56 |
| regebro | About europython blog pushing. Is that blog on planet python? (And planet Zope?) | 19:57 |
| jacob22 | Attendee sponsorships... I have seen 2 applications. Do we have more than that? | 19:57 |
| pboddie | regebro: Planet Python (the official one) | 19:58 |
| pinner | jacob22: more than 2, 3 maybe lac? | 19:58 |
| pboddie | jacob22: Two co-speakers plus another two separate speakers, I think. | 19:58 |
| regebro | pboddie: great. | 19:59 |
| pinner | 1 or 2 from South America, one from the Netherlands? | 19:59 |
| pboddie | jacob22: I can send you the messages if necessary. What John says plus one from Russia, I think. | 19:59 |
| lac | we have 3 | 19:59 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Regarding the Swedish visas, it might be worth checking the regulations on that. They may need to actually visit Sweden to be eligible. | 19:59 |
| lac | that I know of, 2 from SA, but one of those will already be in europe and only wants travel from ireland | 20:00 |
| lac | the other is from moscow | 20:00 |
| lac | if anybody from the netherlands wants a travel spnsorship I never saw it. | 20:00 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: I don't think I'll need them. | 20:00 |
| jacob22 | How do the travel sponsorships stack up against the budget? | 20:01 |
| pboddie | lac: I'll forward you the mail since it was mentioned in a talk proposal. | 20:01 |
| pinner | lac: it's a touch of Alzeihmers on my part, probably ;) | 20:01 |
| lac | If the costs of flying to Vilnius from Argentina are the same as last year then we can do it | 20:02 |
| lac | even if the PSF doesn't cover the costs. | 20:02 |
| lac | But I have asked the PSF if they are interested, since they said this is what they want to spend their money on. | 20:03 |
| lac | I have also asked them if they want to just send us plain old cash for use any reason we see fit. | 20:03 |
| lac | we will see what happens. | 20:03 |
| lac | I pointed them at the sponsorship brochure but I cannot really see them wanting any of those options. | 20:04 |
| pboddie | lac: Mail sent! | 20:04 |
| lac | thank you. do you remember who it was by the way? | 20:05 |
| pinner | Someone (SciPy?) submitted an application to the PSF for sponsorship and Steve Holden is holding this up as an example of how one should apply in future | 20:05 |
| lac | Ah. I didn't see or remember that, so I asked in a way that was endoubtably less formal. | 20:06 |
| lac | Maybe they will point me at the form and tell me to make one like that. | 20:06 |
| jacob22 | Next issue? | 20:07 |
| jacob22 | T-shirts are on the agenda. Any news? | 20:07 |
| pinner | lac: forwarded scipy thing to you | 20:07 |
| pboddie | I've forwarded the images from Zack to Aiste along with an offer of helping out if there are any issues. Aiste has put someone local in charge of this, and I think they'll contact Zack if more adjustments need doing. | 20:08 |
| pinner | jacob22: tee shirt orders by size are in the registration reports, so the order quantiuties may be pro-rated from that | 20:08 |
| pboddie | My concern was that the number of colours in the logo might be too much for the T-shirt printing process. | 20:08 |
| pinner | pboddie: I think you're right | 20:09 |
| pboddie | If we flatten the gradients completely, there are still four colours. For some stuff I've done in the past, that's one colour too many. | 20:09 |
| pinner | pboddie: lennart's logo might be more suitable for tees | 20:10 |
| pboddie | You really like Lennart's logo! ;-) | 20:10 |
| pinner | no apologies for that :) | 20:11 |
| pboddie | Anyway, the process is hopefully under management. | 20:11 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: What's the status with unblocking the europython-volunteer-announce list? | 20:11 |
| pboddie | OK, I'll mail Steve and/or Brad and ask them to let us in, I suppose. | 20:12 |
| pinner | are we having a conference CD? | 20:12 |
| pboddie | pinner: Are there any other sponsor images of different sizes? | 20:12 |
| pboddie | About the CD, I guess it depends on talk materials and whether people make them available in advance. | 20:13 |
| pinner | pboddie: you mean for the ones I have on the Talks Schedule? No, I haven't anything better. | 20:13 |
| pinner | If we are going to have a CD, someone needs to take responsibility for it. Soon. | 20:14 |
| jacob22 | We never had one before at EP. | 20:14 |
| pinner | OK, so there's no precedent. | 20:15 |
| lac | what's Stani's email address? | 20:15 |
| pinner | But if one's wanted, and someone can master it, we have good duplication facilities to produce it | 20:15 |
| lac | I've already mailed steve, no answer | 20:15 |
| jacob22 | I think we risk creating too much work for somebody if we try to build a CD with as little ifrastructure for gathering the presentations as we currently have. | 20:16 |
| pboddie | lac: It should be on the page I linked to in the mail. I can send it to you, though, if that's quicker than logging in. | 20:16 |
| regebro | about logos, Have we asked PSF about the logo, are we allowed to use the Python-logo? | 20:16 |
| pinner | regebro: yes, lac cleared it | 20:17 |
| pboddie | jacob22: Maybe a post-EP collector CD instead. Or maybe not. | 20:17 |
| lac | its not in that mail, though a link to his website is, I could probably find one there. | 20:17 |
| regebro | great | 20:17 |
| lac | I just don't want to find out that though his site is in belgium, he lives in new zealand or something. | 20:17 |
| pinner | regeboro: the PSF has cleared the PyCon UK logo even | 20:18 |
| lac | There are people who want to make video recordings of the talks | 20:18 |
| pboddie | lac: Mail sent! | 20:18 |
| regebro | pinner: Nice to hear. I liked it. :) | 20:18 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: I'm not volunteering. | 20:18 |
| lac | I think they are biting off more than they can chew, but its their teeth. | 20:18 |
| pinner | lac: leave them to it | 20:18 |
| lac | the CD discussion is something that they may have an opinion on -- as in who needs a cd with a video captutre | 20:19 |
| pinner | lac: the PyCon US videos are a problem I'm told, they didn't think too far ahead and have over a terabyte of mayterial they don't know how to handle | 20:19 |
| pinner | lac: the point about a CD is that people can follow it during a talk, and that it can contain other useful things, like local maps | 20:20 |
| regebro | Yeah, a setup is needed where you push record at the beginning, stop at the end, and then a big red "publish" button to get it onto the net. | 20:21 |
| pinner | I need to leave soon, is there anything else you want me for? | 20:21 |
| regebro | Anything more work than that, and the videos never happened. Same thing with Plone Conf 2007... | 20:21 |
| lac | This is my prediction for here as well, but I will be happy to be proven wrong. | 20:22 |
| pinner | regeboro: typical geek problem... | 20:22 |
| jacob22 | Anything else, or are we done with the agenda? | 20:23 |
| lac | I am done. | 20:23 |
| dboddie_work | http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting15 | 20:23 |
| * pinner nods | 20:23 | |
| pboddie | I'm done for more or less everything I'm directly involved with, I think. | 20:23 |
| dboddie_work | Last checks... | 20:23 |
| lac | are we stopped logging? | 20:24 |
| dboddie_work | Please feel free to add anything to the minutes. | 20:24 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Logging is continuous. | 20:24 |
| lac | ah | 20:24 |
| pboddie | About the video situation, I think we're going to have a few problems as predicted, one being the permissions issue. I still find it remarkable that people would submit talks after being fully aware of the default policy and then claim that we're a bunch of illicit Internet broadcasters. | 20:24 |
| * pinner is removing the badge pdf from that link in 20 seconds... | 20:25 | |
| jacob22 | So, meeting closed! | 20:25 |
| lac | I think the problem is that they weren't paying any attention to the default policy so they will claim they weren't informed. | 20:25 |
| regebro | The badges looked nice anyway. | 20:25 |
| lac | yes they did. | 20:25 |
| lac | Now, does anybody have any idea how we can find a time for a meeting when Aiste can attend? | 20:26 |
| regebro | I was surprised at PyCon, they told me I had to sign something, but figuring out what was difficult. I don't think I actually did in the end. | 20:26 |
| regebro | The one being in charge for each room should just go up to everybdy making a talk and say "sign this". | 20:26 |
| regebro | It's not so difficult. | 20:26 |
| regebro | Then you have the videoing permissions. Easy! | 20:27 |
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| pedronis | see you | 20:30 |
| pboddie | I can sympathise with the "didn't know" defence, but I find it doubtful that a lack of prior written agreement to some deliberate action is not sufficient, especially in somewhere like Germany (as Marc-André claimed) which is probably the most successful GPL litigation venue on the planet. | 20:30 |
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| pboddie | Try showing up in a German court and saying, "Sorry I shipped a bunch of devices with GPL'd software but I wasn't aware of the licensing conditions." | 20:31 |
| pboddie | pinner: I guess I should just link through to your sponsors page from the EP site. | 20:31 |
| lac | Our problem is not that we wouldn't be in the right. Our problem is that we do not have the time to waste dealing with unhappy people. | 20:31 |
| dboddie_work | We just have to say to people, "Can we video your talk?" | 20:32 |
| dboddie_work | If they say no, that doesn't stop random people from doing it anyway, but at least they won't be streamed against their will. | 20:32 |
| pboddie | Sure. That'll probably work in the end. Another problem: do we have volunteers to shepherd speakers, or do we find out when we get to the conference? | 20:33 |
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| lac | what is 'shepherding speakers'? | 20:39 |
| lac | announcing them at the con? | 20:39 |
| lac | tike a room host? | 20:40 |
| pboddie | Yes. | 20:42 |
| pboddie | They'd get the paperwork signed. | 20:43 |
| * dboddie_work is about to leave. | 20:46 | |
| lac | This is something where in the past we have made an announcemnt | 20:46 |
| lac | on europython@python.org some days before the con and got volunteers, but never quite enough. | 20:47 |
| lac | leaving samuele and I to do the ones left over, or draft our friends on the spot. | 20:47 |
| lac | If there is to be paperwork, better to get volunteers via the EP list. | 20:47 |
| pboddie | I'm going to send out an announcement to the Python announce list, and I may try and persuade the python.org people to do a news item about the timetable. | 20:48 |
| pboddie | At some point, we could also ask for volunteers: that's related to what Christian wanted to do over the volunteers list. | 20:49 |
| pboddie | The problem with the "theme captain" job as I call it is that unless one has invested one's time in encouraging and selecting talks for a particular theme, it doesn't seem like very attractive job to "manage" a particular room when there may be other talks one wants to see. | 20:50 |
| pboddie | Although that would be a lesser problem if all the talks were recorded, of course. ;-) | 20:50 |
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| lac | pboddie: the idea is to find somebody who will be in the room because those talks are the ones they want to see and have them do the introductions. | 23:42 |
| lac | But the real job of the room captain is to make sure that the equipment works and the video projects, | 23:43 |
| lac | so they will get to know their speakers ahread of time even if they do not know them before the con. | 23:43 |
| lac | so its not really up to 'theme recruiters' to do the introducing. | 23:43 |
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