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| zeth | Hi, if everyone is information-hungry enough to use Twitter, here in the UK, we made a twitter account https://twitter.com/PyConUK#side | 02:42 |
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| Aiste | whois MrTopf | 16:29 |
| Aiste | oops :) | 16:29 |
| Aiste | MrTopf: could you give me your email address? | 16:29 |
| MrTopf | me! ;-) | 16:29 |
| Aiste | :D | 16:29 |
| MrTopf | mrtopf@gmail.com | 16:29 |
| Aiste | I will give it to a guy who will coordinate everything with the hotel people about streaming | 16:30 |
| MrTopf | ah, very good :) | 16:33 |
| lac | Aiste: we need to reserve hans rosling a room at the hotel for tuesday night. can you handle that? | 16:55 |
| lac | also he will be eating dinner | 16:56 |
| Aiste | lac: what kind of room and who will pay for that? | 16:57 |
| Aiste | they ask for credit card at reservation | 16:57 |
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| kobold | hello, any idea about when the list of talks will be published? | 17:35 |
| dboddie_work | I guess that's something that we will discuss this evening at the IRC meeting (here at 6pm CEST). | 17:48 |
| dboddie_work | http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting14 | 17:48 |
| kobold | dboddie_work: thanks a lot | 17:49 |
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| lac | Aiste we are paying for it, and a single person room if they have it. | 18:13 |
| pedronis | lac: hi | 18:40 |
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| * dboddie_work thinks there might just be enough time to get a cup of tea before the meeting. | 18:50 | |
| lac | hi all | 18:58 |
| skd | hello | 18:58 |
| dboddie_work | Hi | 18:58 |
| Aiste | hi all | 18:58 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Are you monitoring the volunteers list? | 18:59 |
| MrTopf | I wodner if my mail to the volunteers list went through by now | 19:00 |
| pedronis | hi all | 19:01 |
| jacob22 | Hi folks. | 19:01 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: It doesn't look like it. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython-volunteer-announce/ | 19:02 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: I don't have any connection with it, no. | 19:02 |
| MrTopf | well, then I keep waiting ;-) | 19:03 |
| dboddie_work | Shall we begin, or are we waiting for GHUM? :-) | 19:04 |
| lac | I am not the list moderator ofd that list, so we need to wait for steve, or ask brad at python.org to assign another list maintainer | 19:04 |
| dboddie_work | Minutes/agenda here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting14 | 19:04 |
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| pinner | Hello | 19:05 |
| lac | Hi john | 19:06 |
| pinner | Hi | 19:06 |
| Aiste | ah, I need another point on agenda | 19:06 |
| Aiste | that is schedule | 19:06 |
| Aiste | at least break schedule for hotel -- they are asking more and more demandingly for it :) | 19:06 |
| jacob22 | I have another item I think should go on the agenda - infrastructure. Just introducing the subject today, and we can have more of a discussion later. | 19:06 |
| MrTopf | they can serve us the coffee at the seats ;-) | 19:07 |
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| MrTopf | then we don't need breaks and learn a lot more | 19:07 |
| dboddie_work | Yes, kobold was asking for the talk schedule earlier. :-) | 19:07 |
| jacob22 | What hours did we keep last year? | 19:07 |
| * pboddie resists temptation to mention airline service. | 19:07 | |
| MrTopf | maybe we can order coffee via bluetooth ;-) | 19:07 |
| lac | the hours we kept last year are irrelevant because guido's keynote will be at 6pm earliest and he wants 7 pm | 19:08 |
| Aiste | :D | 19:08 |
| lac | he said that he could do 5 pm if evening is not doable. that means him getting up for a talk at 7am his time. | 19:09 |
| lac | so 5pm earliest. | 19:09 |
| Aiste | ouch | 19:10 |
| lac | Ideas on that? when we should schedule things? and when rosling's keynote the next day followed by dinner? | 19:10 |
| Aiste | I think we can manage 6pm | 19:10 |
| dboddie_work | "Wake up Guido, you're on in five minutes!" | 19:10 |
| lac | dboddie_work :-) | 19:10 |
| dboddie_work | OK. Agenda? | 19:10 |
| Aiste | making Guido get up for a 7am talk is a bit brutal | 19:11 |
| dboddie_work | Registration/Budget | 19:11 |
| jacob22 | 0900-1300, 1100-1230, 1400-1530, 1600-1730? | 19:11 |
| dboddie_work | What's the status of the registration and how does it affect the budget? | 19:11 |
| jacob22 | We'll need about 20-30 minutes before the Monday keynote for announcements, and people need a break. | 19:11 |
| pinner | jacob22: 0900-1030?? | 19:12 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Yes, typo. | 19:12 |
| Aiste | :) | 19:12 |
| Aiste | ok, looks ok to me | 19:13 |
| Aiste | so lunch 1230-1400? | 19:13 |
| Aiste | and Tuesday? | 19:13 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: 131 delegates, 12235 euros so far | 19:14 |
| jacob22 | A small reservation is that I haven't seen the split between 30 and 60 minute talks. We may need to move morning or afternoon break by 30 ninutes. I don't think that should pose a problem. | 19:14 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Thanks. | 19:14 |
| Aiste | jacob22: no, I think the hotel are asking for a preliminary schedule now, so that they could have an idea of what to expect | 19:15 |
| * dboddie_work is happy to be in a meeting with parallel discussions, as long as people keep talking. :-) | 19:15 | |
| pinner | jacob22: look at http:registration.europython.eu/talk_abstracts.html - times are quoted | 19:15 |
| pinner | AFAIK lac and pedronis are doing the schedule tonight, so we don't need to talk any further about, IMHO | 19:17 |
| Aiste | ok, that's great to know | 19:17 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: That's good. | 19:17 |
| Aiste | pertaining to registration -- I will have 3-4 volunteers to help me manage things, I will register them for free? | 19:18 |
| pinner | aiste: yours and lac's decision? | 19:19 |
| lac | for running the desk? yes | 19:20 |
| Aiste | yes, and helping me before the conference with tshirts and other organising stuff | 19:21 |
| MrTopf | do we have some space for daylong open spaces btw? | 19:21 |
| lac | sounds fine to me. | 19:21 |
| Aiste | MrTopf: is there a need for those? | 19:22 |
| Aiste | I can get rooms, but we need to decide pretty soon | 19:22 |
| MrTopf | I would like to try it out, if a more barcamp like style is working | 19:22 |
| MrTopf | at least I would like to not have open spaces the same time only as lightning talks | 19:22 |
| lac | I haven't checked the exact length of talks yet, but looks like we have space in the program for at least a half day of that. | 19:22 |
| MrTopf | because I think of both as of highlights of a conference | 19:22 |
| lac | no, lightning talks should be plenary. | 19:22 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Have we accepted/rejected talks yet? | 19:22 |
| lac | have we maled people saying they are accepted? I haven't yet. | 19:23 |
| MrTopf | so I would like to encourage people every morning to come up with some open space programm | 19:23 |
| pedronis | lac: we need to do that | 19:23 |
| pinner | lac: no I've left that to you and Samuele | 19:23 |
| pedronis | we got a list of mail addresses from pinner | 19:24 |
| pinner | pedronis:which needs a couple adding | 19:24 |
| MrTopf | how many talks are there now? | 19:24 |
| pinner | MrTopf: 55 | 19:25 |
| MrTopf | that's not really too much I guess | 19:26 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Does that include the Jython panel? | 19:26 |
| pedronis | no, it's a bit low, more space of other activities I suppose | 19:26 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: yes, and a couple of tutorials | 19:26 |
| lac | something like 55 | 19:27 |
| dboddie_work | Well, number of talks doesn't necessarily translate to a great conference. | 19:28 |
| MrTopf | so if it's possible IMHO it would be nice to really have a separate room for open spaces and we can make barcamp like session presentations every morning for program in that room | 19:29 |
| MrTopf | (or half a day, it just should be regularly at the same time slot= | 19:29 |
| MrTopf | ) | 19:29 |
| pinner | MrTopf: +1 | 19:29 |
| jacob22 | A quick calculation shows that the talks will almost fill 3 rooms for 2.5 days. Then we have 0.5 days for lightning talks. | 19:29 |
| dboddie_work | There's certainly room for experimentation here. | 19:30 |
| dboddie_work | Anyway, this depends on the schedule being made, then we'll know what the space and time requirements are. | 19:30 |
| pboddie | Yes, I don't think we need four parallel talks at a time, really. | 19:30 |
| Aiste | yop, so morning openspace would work without getting additional rooms | 19:31 |
| * pinner thinks there should be at least a small Open Space room available all the time | 19:31 | |
| MrTopf | we might need a little more time for preparation each morning. I'd like to let this happen in plenary | 19:31 |
| pboddie | Four talks at once worked at CERN, but the numbers were quite different then. | 19:31 |
| MrTopf | so people know about it and maybe some people even think about sessions to present or discussions to do | 19:32 |
| MrTopf | the problem with too many tracks is always missing talks though | 19:32 |
| MrTopf | I remember that from CERN | 19:32 |
| MrTopf | I never knew where to go | 19:32 |
| pboddie | Open Space planning breakfast with MrTopf? ;-) | 19:32 |
| MrTopf | we meet at 5:30 ;-) | 19:32 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Sounds like a "webinar". ;-) | 19:32 |
| dboddie_work | OK, well when we have a schedule, it would be good to announce it. | 19:33 |
| pboddie | Yes, I think it's unfair on some presenters to have lots of talks at once, where many people would just choose one arbitrarily. | 19:33 |
| MrTopf | well, if it's the morning it will be 4 sessions I guess, so it shouldn't take too much time | 19:33 |
| MrTopf | we might need some wall where we can place paper sheets with these sessions then | 19:33 |
| dboddie_work | lac, pedronis: Can you let us know when you're done with it, so that we can announce, blog, etc.? | 19:33 |
| dboddie_work | lac, pedronis: And if you need help with stuff, just let the rest of us know. | 19:34 |
| pboddie | Maybe ask on the lists for volunteers, if you need help reviewing. | 19:34 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: lac and pedronis are doing an 'analogue' schedule, which they will give to me for publishing, I think | 19:34 |
| dboddie_work | Same procedure as last year. :-) | 19:35 |
| MrTopf | as long as things get onto that list... ;-) | 19:35 |
| pedronis | I think I should indeed leave to get home and then to lac's place to help with that | 19:35 |
| dboddie_work | pedronis: Good luck! | 19:35 |
| pedronis | see you | 19:35 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Once that's made, are you going to do a conference programme? | 19:36 |
| pedronis | see you | 19:36 |
| pinner | pboddie: I've supplied lac and pedronis with my assessment of the submissions, I think they can all be accepted though some need a little clarification | 19:36 |
| dboddie_work | pedronis: See you! | 19:36 |
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| pinner | dboddie_work: I hadn't intended that, I only got into it this far 'cos nothing much was happening, like you two really ;) | 19:37 |
| lac | pinner: are you handling all the invoicing? | 19:38 |
| pinner | lac: yes | 19:38 |
| lac | at some point, I need a paper copy -- which I can make here -- of every invoice for my records. | 19:38 |
| pinner | lac: I mailed you earlier, ref the sequencing problem | 19:38 |
| lac | ok | 19:38 |
| lac | will await that mail which hasn't arrived yet. | 19:38 |
| pboddie | pinner: Should I take a look? I hadn't anticipated reviewing talks, but since I won't be submitting one, I guess I can give some feedback with a clear conscience. | 19:38 |
| pinner | lac: we can print cart invoices here, or you can if you prefer, have you used your login yet? | 19:39 |
| pinner | pboddie: http://registration.europython.eu/talk_abstracts.html - be my guest :) | 19:40 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: You wanted to talk about infrastructure? | 19:40 |
| pinner | pboddie: my assessment in your mail | 19:41 |
| pinner | pboddie: there's some nutter proposing a talk on central heating, be gentle | 19:42 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: Or sponsorship? | 19:43 |
| jacob22 | dboddie_work: Yes, it strikes me that we have a bad problem in that we don't have control over our mailing lists, we lack a proper place to store documents, we can't really set up the services we need. For instance, I'd like to have lots of what we do under version control. | 19:43 |
| jacob22 | I think we need a server of our own, where we can keep our history and current work. | 19:44 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: I guess someone needs to come forward with a resource for that. Maybe it should be a python.org thing. | 19:44 |
| MrTopf | use code.google.com ;-) | 19:44 |
| pboddie | Well, I think consolidation is going to be a concern at some point, yes. | 19:44 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: It would be good to have a resource that can be shared by all the conferences. But this is something we can discuss on the mailing list. | 19:45 |
| pboddie | Currently, we've almost been obliged to choose many locations for our services: site, registration, archives... | 19:45 |
| jacob22 | I think we could buy the service. I think I could provide an internet connection if we just buy a machine. | 19:45 |
| dboddie_work | Sounds good. | 19:46 |
| dboddie_work | What's the situation with sponsorship? | 19:46 |
| jacob22 | Concerning sponsorships, I have some logos for the website that I will mail to pboddie to be added. Otherwise sponsorships are plodding along. | 19:46 |
| pboddie | I can activate banners and logos as soon as I have the images, yes. | 19:47 |
| pinner | jacob22: I think it would be a bad thing to attempt to run a server inhouse: it needs to be in a data centre in my experience | 19:47 |
| dboddie_work | Aiste: What was the status with the T-shirts? | 19:48 |
| pboddie | Yes, I mailed Zack about it, but I haven't heard anything from him yet. | 19:48 |
| jacob22 | pinner: It's better with something at a data center, as long as we are in control of the applications on the machine. | 19:48 |
| Aiste | dboddie_work: I have a person who is responsible for taking care of that, he is actually here | 19:48 |
| pinner | jacob22: the one ep is using currently in a data centre in London, and backs up every night to another in Manchester | 19:48 |
| Aiste | we need a logo for tshirts | 19:49 |
| pinner | jacob22: and both get backed up to our offices every night. | 19:49 |
| pboddie | pinner, jacob22: As stated before, we need DNS control, then hosting, then we can pick and choose apps at will - no need to be too religious about which ones, either. | 19:49 |
| pboddie | Aiste: You haven't been in contact with Zack, then? I guess I'll have to follow up. | 19:49 |
| pinner | jacob22: we (as in my company) are in total control of the operating system and applications | 19:50 |
| Aiste | pboddie: no, i must have lost that email somewhere, sorry | 19:50 |
| pboddie | pinner, jacob22: As dboddie_work stated, a lot of this is something other conferences worry about, so there's potential for collaboration, although needs vary. | 19:50 |
| pboddie | Aiste: I don't know if he has been in contact with you. I haven't heard anything either way. | 19:51 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Can we put more stuff on the machine, like an svn/hg/whatever repository? | 19:51 |
| pinner | jacob22: it has svn | 19:51 |
| dboddie_work | Aiste: Was there anything more to discuss about food? | 19:51 |
| Aiste | pboddie: could you ping him for me? i will introduce him to the person responsible for it on my side | 19:51 |
| pinner | jacob22: but bzr may be better for distributed work | 19:51 |
| Aiste | dboddie_work: no, not really -- did not have time to go the hotel this week at all | 19:52 |
| pboddie | Aiste: Right. I'll offer any assistance necessary. | 19:52 |
| dboddie_work | Aiste: No problem. I'll just add it to the list for next time. I'm happy with the same sort of sandwiches as last time. | 19:52 |
| pboddie | pinner, jacob22: I'd rather hg than svn or bzr. :-) | 19:52 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Not this bike shed. I get enough of this at work! ;-) | 19:53 |
| Aiste | dboddie_work: they won't be the same, we discussed last time -- getting wraps, more substantial | 19:53 |
| dboddie_work | Aiste: Of course! Sorry, I forgot about that. | 19:53 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: They'd all be mad about git. Git this, git that - it's all over Planet KDE. | 19:53 |
| dboddie_work | Aiste, MrTopf: You both discussed streaming outside the meeting, so I'll cross that off, if that's OK? | 19:54 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: :-) | 19:54 |
| * pinner thinks last years sandwiches must have been checked out from cvs | 19:54 | |
| pboddie | Aiste: Other than "more", I wasn't one who had most reservations about the food last time. Others might have something else to say, though. | 19:54 |
| jacob22 | pinner: The really important aspect is having a central place where everything ends up, and where you can trace who did what. Right now, I have no history of what was done with sponsorships at EP 2007 and 2006. All information left with Dario. | 19:54 |
| MrTopf | dboddie_work: I am just waiting for somebody contacting me | 19:54 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: OK. | 19:54 |
| Aiste | dboddie_work: yes, I have a person, who will take care of streaming arrangements | 19:55 |
| pboddie | jacob22: We had an old sponsorships list which should have some archiving, but the current practice where we copy replies to the list (which took some practice) works quite well. | 19:55 |
| pinner | pboddie: bzr being Python would be good, and mwh could help if needed, I guess | 19:55 |
| Aiste | no more doing everything myself this year :) | 19:55 |
| dboddie_work | More time to sit outside and drink nice (non-Norwegian) beer. | 19:56 |
| pboddie | pinner: Yes but Thomas and xorAxAx are big hg users. ;-) Anyway, I'm not that bothered. | 19:56 |
| pinner | pboddie: the system used needs to suit those actually doing the work | 19:56 |
| dboddie_work | OK, is there anything I've missed? | 19:57 |
| dboddie_work | http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting14 | 19:57 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: very efficient :) | 19:59 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: My next job will be as a secretary, I'm sure. :-) | 19:59 |
| Aiste | dboddie_work: yes, good job ;) | 19:59 |
| Aiste | so, we can adjourn the meeting? | 19:59 |
| dboddie_work | Yes, I think so, unless someone wants to answer "what do we award companies that are active in organising EuroPython?" | 20:00 |
| Aiste | :) | 20:00 |
| Aiste | a big barrel of beer? :) | 20:01 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Do you know if the current revenue is "on track"? | 20:01 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: a nice meal out together on Wednesday evening? | 20:01 |
| dboddie_work | Aiste: I'm sure pinner would go for the beer. :-) | 20:01 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: I don't know the budget, but the PayPal balance looks good (there was still a lot from last year, as well) | 20:02 |
| dboddie_work | OK. Well, I haven't added it to the minutes. Nosy people can always read the logs, anyway. | 20:02 |
| pboddie | Is there a need for a meeting about the organising at/after the talk days at EuroPython which doesn't involve everyone in attendance? | 20:02 |
| dboddie_work | Meeting adjourned? | 20:02 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: real beer | 20:02 |
| pinner | pboddie: over the meal/beer | 20:03 |
| * pinner needs to go... | 20:03 | |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: I think so. Maybe pinner would like that, to help prepare for next year. | 20:03 |
| Aiste | talk to you all later, bye | 20:03 |
| dboddie_work | Bye pinner, Aiste. | 20:04 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: yes, and to report status on the systems, although I've proposed a talk on that (which I haven't written yes ;) | 20:04 |
| lac | what is the talks list on the website url again? | 20:04 |
| dboddie_work | http://registration.europython.eu/talk_abstracts.html | 20:04 |
| * dboddie_work is hanging around after the meeting, just in case zeth and GHUM make an appearance. :-) | 20:04 | |
| MrTopf | the eggs talk should be before the buildout talk btw ;-) | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | fwiw the food situation at linuxtag was worse than last year in europython | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | you could buy some crappy sandwitches and eat them sharing 5 small tables between several hundred participants | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | I think most people went out to town to get lunch | 20:14 |
| dboddie_work | mgedmin: I liked the slides from your presentation, by the way. | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | everyone keeps saying that | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | must be the color scheme | 20:19 |
| dboddie_work | Probably because it is fairly direct. I like the title + subtitle style. | 20:22 |
| dboddie_work | Where the title is what you're saying and the subtitle is what you're thinking. :-) | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | http://presentationzen.com | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | iirc | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | I was copying the style of larry lessing | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | and anthony baxter | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | many slides with single word/picture each | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | only I can't do simple, so my slides contain whole sentences | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | one thing I liked at linuxtag: | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | there were stacks of programmes available for picking up | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | printed on both sides of a fairly thick single sheet of paper | 20:25 |
| dboddie_work | I think I've seen the book in the office (Presentation Zen). | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | very convenient for attendees | 20:25 |
| dboddie_work | Programmes would be good. | 20:25 |
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| MrTopf | I also looked at presentationzen | 20:29 |
| MrTopf | and read the blog | 20:29 |
| MrTopf | where are your slides, mgedmin? | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | on my blog | 20:30 |
| dboddie_work | http://mg.pov.lt/blog/linuxtag-day-2.html | 20:30 |
| dboddie_work | :-) | 20:30 |
| MrTopf | these are my presentations so far: http://www.slideshare.net/mrtopf/slideshows | 20:31 |
| MrTopf | thanks :) | 20:31 |
| * pboddie thinks about going home. | 20:32 | |
| MrTopf | here is Garr Reynolds at a Google Talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ2vtQCESpk | 20:32 |
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| softlylt | Hello, I am a new volunteer to help in europython:) | 21:32 |
| lac | Hi there softylt | 21:34 |
| lac | have you subscribed to europython-improve@python.org? | 21:35 |
| lac | you just missed the meeting, which we have on Thursdays at 1800 my time -- it is 20.35 now | 21:35 |
| lac | right now pedronis and I are working on making the talks schedule. | 21:36 |
| lac | so I cannot talk with you right now. | 21:36 |
| lac | but thank you very much for volunteering for Europython. | 21:36 |
| lac | I am sure we can find something for you to do. | 21:36 |
| softlylt | oh... I will register at once:) | 21:37 |
| softlylt | Aiste allready gave me few works. | 21:37 |
| lac | great. | 21:38 |
| lac | are you in vilnius, so a local on the spot colunteer? | 21:38 |
| softlylt | yes | 21:39 |
| lac | great! good to meet you. | 21:39 |
| softlylt | good to meet you, too! | 21:40 |
| softlylt | bye! | 21:52 |
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