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| Aiste | hello? | 19:03 |
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| Aiste | anybody here for the meeting? | 19:03 |
| pboddie | Hello everyone! | 19:04 |
| GHUM | hello Aiste | 19:04 |
| __eugene__ | good evening | 19:04 |
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| pboddie | I guess everyone saw the proposed agenda: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting10 | 19:05 |
| pinner | Good evening! | 19:05 |
| pinner | yes | 19:05 |
| Aiste | yes | 19:05 |
| pboddie | Let's get started, then! ;-) | 19:05 |
| pinner | I'm sorry, but I can't stay much more than 15 minutes | 19:05 |
| Aiste | so we start with your questions first | 19:06 |
| pinner | So I've mailed a few notes about registration to ep-imporve | 19:06 |
| pinner | I need confirmation of fees, chargeable tutorials, | 19:07 |
| pinner | also PayPal account details | 19:07 |
| pinner | basically everything in my posting | 19:07 |
| dboddie_work | I think it's unlikely that we'll do chargeable tutorials. | 19:07 |
| dboddie_work | There were only two people who stepped forward to offer to do them. | 19:08 |
| pinner | the sooner the better : we have a small group working on the system on Saturday | 19:08 |
| dboddie_work | I should get in touch with them to see what they expect. | 19:08 |
| pboddie | The post-pay information looks good - it matches the previous.europython.org details. | 19:08 |
| pinner | OK, a decision then - no tutorials | 19:08 |
| pinner | pity :( | 19:08 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: I'll mail the guys and see what they say. | 19:09 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: It doesn't mean no tutorials at all. | 19:09 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Did you charge for tutorials at PyCon UK? | 19:09 |
| Aiste | as far as payment forms go, I think it's not reasonable to have cash at the conference option unless you pay "at the door" registration fee | 19:10 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: no, we didn't charge as they were part of the conference, this year we're having an extra day and may devote that to tutorials which would have to be chargeable | 19:10 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Right. | 19:10 |
| pboddie | The fee information looks good - the same as last year, subject to any budget decisions and discussion. | 19:11 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: paid-for tutorials can raise extra money and/or help pay for better tutors | 19:11 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Only Stefan Behnel and Mauro Cavalcanti stepped forward. | 19:12 |
| pinner | Another decision: no cash payments (except 'on the door') | 19:12 |
| pboddie | It might be nice to have an explanation of low-cost bank transfers on the post-pay page. See the details on the old site: http://previous.europython.org/sections/registration_issues/payment-information | 19:13 |
| pinner | How about cheques? I'd assume that the answer might be No if lac were here | 19:13 |
| pinner | pboddie: noted | 19:13 |
| __eugene__ | international checks cost a lot to process (at least in france) | 19:13 |
| GHUM | i guess cheques are the most complicated form of payment directly after accepting camels | 19:13 |
| pboddie | I think we said "no" since people would need to pay their flights by credit/debit card. | 19:13 |
| Aiste | no, i do not think we accept cheques -- too much hassle cashing them | 19:14 |
| Aiste | so, a bunch of nos for cheques :) | 19:14 |
| pinner | another decision! no cheques | 19:14 |
| pboddie | I'll add the payment information to the Wiki, anyway. Thought I'd done so, but maybe I imagined it. | 19:14 |
| GHUM | the payments need to go in which country? Sweden, I guess? So we have EU rules of "no charge money transfers", or? | 19:15 |
| pboddie | What about the relationship between the budget, fees and registration? Are we near to a goal here? | 19:15 |
| Aiste | sweden | 19:15 |
| pboddie | GHUM: It's on the page I mentioned and will be on the Wiki, too. | 19:15 |
| pinner | GHUM: yes Sweden | 19:15 |
| pboddie | I guess there's only going to be PayPal for immediate payments, given the lack of progress with the banks and payment providers. | 19:17 |
| pinner | So I reckon payment is by 1: Bank Transfer, 2: PayPal, 3: Cash on the door, only | 19:17 |
| pboddie | pinner: Sounds like it, yes. | 19:17 |
| pinner | pboddie: yes everything but PayPal has been elimintaed | 19:17 |
| __eugene__ | cash on the door at a higher rate (I guess?) | 19:18 |
| pinner | OK, payment method decisions have been made | 19:18 |
| pinner | __eugene__: yes, see the booking form a higher rate on the door | 19:18 |
| __eugene__ | pinner: sorry missed that | 19:19 |
| Aiste | I also have a room booking form like last year | 19:19 |
| Aiste | just received it | 19:19 |
| Aiste | who should I send it to or where should I post it if I can myself? | 19:19 |
| pinner | Now I need some one in authority (Laura?Jacob?) to give me the Paypal account details | 19:19 |
| MrTopf | ah, meeting | 19:20 |
| MrTopf | Hi :) | 19:20 |
| GHUM | pinner: mese recomends Dario | 19:20 |
| pinner | won't we just have a pdf on the site, and a link to the Hotel online booking? | 19:20 |
| pboddie | Aiste: Wouldn't the hotel give us a promotional code for their site? | 19:20 |
| GHUM | as much as I remember, he did that last year | 19:20 |
| pboddie | I'm not sure that the details have changed from last year, but it'd be good to get a confirmation. | 19:21 |
| pinner | GHUM: but Dario has to be authorised to release the info. At least, I hope we have those checks in place! | 19:21 |
| Aiste | last year we had forms that pwople had to send over fax or scan and email | 19:21 |
| Aiste | same stuff this year | 19:21 |
| Aiste | pinner: yes, I was talking about the pdf thingie | 19:21 |
| pinner | Aiste: then we'll link to that from the booking page as well, just tell me where to find it. | 19:23 |
| pinner | Anything else for me? I need to be away | 19:23 |
| Aiste | ah, ok, so I need to upload it somewhere? | 19:24 |
| pboddie | Aiste: Yes. Perhaps as an attachment. | 19:24 |
| pboddie | Posted a payment information page to the Wiki based on last year's details: http://www.europython.org/community/Payment_Information | 19:25 |
| pinner | Aiste: on the wiki accommodation page? | 19:25 |
| Aiste | pinner: ok, I will upload it as soon as I figure out how :) | 19:25 |
| pinner | pboddie: let's not have too many sources of the same info, otherwise we have to keep them in sync | 19:26 |
| pinner | Aiste:s | 19:26 |
| pboddie | Aiste: http://www.europython.org/community/SpecialAccommodation#preview | 19:26 |
| pinner | Aiste:mail me a copy as well, thanks | 19:26 |
| Aiste | pinner: ok, I will | 19:26 |
| pboddie | pinner: Noted! | 19:27 |
| Aiste | after the meeting is over | 19:27 |
| pinner | I'll sign off if you have nothing more for me : I have most of the decisions I want | 19:27 |
| pboddie | pinner: Great! Thanks for stopping by! | 19:27 |
| * pinner says good night | 19:28 | |
| __eugene__ | pinner: good bye | 19:28 |
| Aiste | good, see you later John | 19:28 |
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| dboddie_work | What else needs to be discussed? | 19:29 |
| pboddie | Aiste: If you upload the form to the page I mentioned, I can add details of rates and procedures to the page itself. | 19:29 |
| Aiste | pboddie: the one that John pasted the link to? | 19:30 |
| zeth | Hi, sorry got confused by the European time business, and with birthday fun, I read back through the scrollback however | 19:30 |
| Aiste | dboddie_work: I need to get a decission made about the tshirts | 19:30 |
| Aiste | we can print them here for about 3-4 euro's a t-shirt | 19:30 |
| pboddie | Aiste: http://www.europython.org/community/SpecialAccommodation | 19:31 |
| pboddie | zeth: Any chance of doing a minor site upgrade to put the new logo in place? | 19:31 |
| dboddie_work | Where's the T-shirt and badge committee when you need them? | 19:31 |
| Aiste | yeah, I need a logo or whatever we are going to put on a tshirt | 19:31 |
| Aiste | anybody knows whether anything has been decided about that? | 19:32 |
| pboddie | No T-shirt business has been finalised, but we do have a new logo. | 19:32 |
| dboddie_work | OK. Suggestions for logos (incorporating this year's logo) to go on the Wiki. I'll create a page. | 19:33 |
| zeth | pboddie, we do it together after this meeting? | 19:33 |
| Aiste | ok, what is it? I've been a bit distracted from all things as we are moving offices here | 19:33 |
| pboddie | zeth: At your convenience! | 19:33 |
| GHUM | t-shirt: i would love to ask randall of xkcd if we can use a drawing | 19:33 |
| dboddie_work | I mean T-shirt designs, not logos. | 19:33 |
| pboddie | http://europython.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/end-of-logo-voting-results-announced/ | 19:33 |
| Aiste | thanks pboddie | 19:33 |
| __eugene__ | +1 for xkcd drawing | 19:33 |
| dboddie_work | http://www.europython.org/community/T_Shirts | 19:34 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Put it in the planning category and link to it from the Volunteers page, too! | 19:34 |
| dboddie_work | Dump the contents of the T-shirt designing parts of your brains on that page. | 19:34 |
| pboddie | Aiste: Perhaps send a mail to the list stating the situation. I think people listen to you more than they do to me! | 19:35 |
| pboddie | I think I've been tuned out! | 19:35 |
| Aiste | pboddie: ummm :) | 19:35 |
| Aiste | email about tshirt design? | 19:35 |
| dboddie_work | Aiste: Will do. | 19:36 |
| Aiste | I'm a bit distracted recently, so I forget things, but ok, i will write down :) | 19:36 |
| pboddie | Aiste: Yes, just something saying that we need people who want T-shirts to "step up or step off". ;-) | 19:36 |
| Aiste | ok, I will do | 19:37 |
| Aiste | which list should i write to? | 19:38 |
| Aiste | ep-improve? | 19:38 |
| dboddie_work | Sure. | 19:38 |
| pboddie | Yes, I think so. | 19:39 |
| pboddie | Next topic? | 19:39 |
| dboddie_work | The talks. How is the situation with submissions? | 19:40 |
| pboddie | I think there have only been two so far. | 19:40 |
| pboddie | By the way, if anyone wants to have access to the europython-talks list, just go to the list page and request a subscription. | 19:40 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: The announcement went out the python-announce list, didn't it? | 19:41 |
| pboddie | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-talks | 19:41 |
| pboddie | Correct. That's another thing: if anyone has any special publicity contacts or wants to "represent" EuroPython in their part of the community, please help publicise the conference. | 19:42 |
| pboddie | http://www.europython.org/community/Planning/Publicity | 19:42 |
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| dboddie_work | Hi regebro | 19:43 |
| pboddie | When I get time, I might write a message to the Openmoko list, because I think that what they're doing is very interesting. | 19:43 |
| regebro | Oups, I'm late, right? | 19:43 |
| Aiste | :) regebro slightly | 19:43 |
| regebro | Lost track of time, sorry. | 19:44 |
| dboddie_work | regebro: No problem. We've talked about registration, tutorials, T-shirts, publicity and talks. | 19:44 |
| pboddie | You're just in time for keynotes! | 19:45 |
| dboddie_work | I'll dig out my messages to various lists from last year and resend them. | 19:45 |
| dboddie_work | So, we have one candidate? | 19:46 |
| pboddie | And virtual GvR, I suppose. | 19:46 |
| Aiste | yes, i am sorting out the details for the virtual part at the moment | 19:47 |
| dboddie_work | Who is dealing with the other guy? | 19:47 |
| regebro | Well, I have initiated the contacts. | 19:48 |
| regebro | "Dealing with" I don't know. :) | 19:48 |
| dboddie_work | regebro: Do you feel you can pass on information about travel and accommodation, if required? | 19:49 |
| pboddie | I guess Laura initiated the process. | 19:49 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: OK. Well, as long as there's a level of support there, that's OK. | 19:49 |
| Aiste | am i still needed for anything? | 19:50 |
| regebro | dboddie_work: Well, I don't see why I should be inbetween. :) | 19:50 |
| dboddie_work | regebro: If someone else is handling it then that's also OK. :-) | 19:51 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Any more questions for Aiste? | 19:51 |
| pboddie | Aiste: I don't think your name is against anything else. | 19:51 |
| dboddie_work | Or did pinner ask them all? | 19:51 |
| regebro | I'll pass on email and do introductions to whoever is actually dealing with the relevant issues. | 19:51 |
| pboddie | I think John knows everything he needs to, at least from Aiste. | 19:51 |
| dboddie_work | OK. Then Aiste can escape. :-) | 19:52 |
| pboddie | regebro: I've ended up passing on requests from various luminaries in previous years. | 19:52 |
| Aiste | ok,so I'll send the emails then and go home ;) | 19:52 |
| dboddie_work | Aiste: Thanks! | 19:52 |
| Aiste | see you all later ;) | 19:52 |
| dboddie_work | See you! | 19:52 |
| __eugene__ | good evening | 19:52 |
| dboddie_work | Other discussion? | 19:53 |
| dboddie_work | I'm most worried about getting people to propose talks, and getting registration up and running. | 19:53 |
| pboddie | Briefly, there was the sponsor offer, but Jacob isn't here this time. | 19:54 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: I share your concerns. | 19:54 |
| dboddie_work | Right. Well, we can take the sponsor stuff "offline", unless someone want to talk about it. | 19:54 |
| pboddie | We've had one or two enquiries, so some decision will need to be taken fairly soon. But I think registration and talks are very important. | 19:55 |
| dboddie_work | We have a list of places to promote the conference. Some cutting, pasting and spamming is in order, I think. | 19:56 |
| pboddie | Again, publicity might be a good volunteer task if anyone "hangs out" in parts of the community that the rest of us don't tend to see. Local user groups, for instance. | 19:56 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Are you nudging zeth by any chance? ;-) | 19:57 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Not necessarily. | 19:58 |
| pboddie | zeth: Have you spammed the python-uk list about EuroPython? ;-) | 19:58 |
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| zeth | I John did but I can do again | 19:58 |
| zeth | a few of us from Birmingham are planning on coming at least | 19:59 |
| dboddie_work | I've just sent a query to Stefan Behnel about his tutorial suggestion. | 19:59 |
| pboddie | You can just take the message I sent out to the python-announce-list and resend it, if you want. | 19:59 |
| zeth | pboddie: cheers, good idea | 19:59 |
| Aiste | argh, I cannot send emails to ep-improve from my gmail address | 19:59 |
| dboddie_work | Aiste: If you want, you can send it to one of us, and we can forward it. | 20:00 |
| Aiste | dboddie_work: ok | 20:00 |
| dboddie_work | Does anyone know Mauro Cavalcanti? | 20:00 |
| pboddie | I guess that's a "no". ;-) | 20:03 |
| zeth | was this the winning lol? http://www.europython.org/wiki/ep2008/img/logo/Badge-80x80.png | 20:04 |
| zeth | logo | 20:04 |
| pboddie | GHUM: Is there any scope for PostgreSQL-related promotion? | 20:04 |
| GHUM | to send outinvitation to postgresql mailing list? No Problemo | 20:04 |
| pboddie | No, it's the other one: the "banner" version. | 20:05 |
| GHUM | Banner version, to get a europython on postgresql.org is rather impossible... | 20:05 |
| pboddie | Although I note that both logos from that designer were quite close in their votes: #1 and #2. | 20:06 |
| GHUM | BUT... that could be an upcoming event, I will submit a PostgreSQL talk and so we can have EuroPython as upcoming event :) | 20:06 |
| pboddie | Maybe we should accept the fact that they're related and use both! | 20:06 |
| pboddie | GHUM: Look forward to it! | 20:06 |
| dboddie_work | GHUM: Sneaky. I like it! | 20:07 |
| dboddie_work | I guess we're done here, unless someone has been waiting to ask a question. | 20:08 |
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| dboddie_work | OK. Meeting over, I guess. | 20:12 |
| zeth | pboddie: I am just having a go now and butchering your design | 20:14 |
| zeth | putting the logo at the top | 20:14 |
| pboddie | I did upload the changed files to europython.org. | 20:14 |
| zeth | I think the blue under it may have to change to different shades | 20:15 |
| zeth | pboddie: oh right okay | 20:15 |
| pboddie | It should just take a theme install and everything should work. Sorry! I should have mentioned that I'd done that. | 20:15 |
| zeth | no problem | 20:15 |
| pboddie | I made the nice blue background, as you may have seen. | 20:15 |
| pboddie | You'll also need to update the ep2008.py file which goes in /etc/moin, but I think that should be quite safe. | 20:16 |
| zeth | sorry so you uploaded the files to the server in your home or to where they need to go? | 20:16 |
| pboddie | I changed the theme files in /home/ep2008/ep2008-dev-2008-01-08. | 20:16 |
| pboddie | So doing an insttheme ../epwiki should do the trick, I think. | 20:17 |
| pboddie | It's just that my user didn't have the write permissions necessary. | 20:17 |
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| zeth | okay | 20:19 |
| zeth | it did not report an error | 20:19 |
| pboddie | Cool! It seems to work now. | 20:19 |
| zeth | but did it do anything? | 20:19 |
| pboddie | I can see the new logo, anyway. | 20:19 |
| zeth | you want me to change it more? | 20:20 |
| zeth | or are you happy with that? | 20:20 |
| pboddie | No, I think it's fine. | 20:20 |
| pboddie | I was also thinking about possibly introducing a BlockedUsersGroup to prevent repeat spamming, however. | 20:20 |
| zeth | oh right | 20:20 |
| pboddie | We've had a bit of spamming, and some of the idiots doing it are regulars. | 20:20 |
| zeth | I have got this http://zeth.me.uk/python/bulkdelete.txt | 20:21 |
| zeth | I can deloy if you want | 20:21 |
| zeth | deploy | 20:21 |
| pboddie | I think the way to go is to add a BlockedUserGroup, but you could run that script after we've made a list. | 20:22 |
| zeth | basically makes a white list | 20:22 |
| zeth | and asks you y or no for everyone | 20:22 |
| zeth | when people are on the whitelist, it does not ask you again | 20:22 |
| zeth | blockeduser group just blocks a username? | 20:23 |
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| pboddie | Yes, you add an ACL which says -BlockedUsersGroup:read,write,delete,revert,admin or something similar. | 20:24 |
| pboddie | I think it goes into acl_rights_default, but I can't remember the name right now (I'm at work). | 20:25 |
| pboddie | Then, that person who is now in a group will be checked against the ACL and have their edits blocked. | 20:25 |
| pboddie | OK, I've made the page and added most of the offenders. | 20:30 |
| pboddie | But if your script is effective, perhaps you'd like to run that, too. | 20:30 |
| pboddie | zeth: I should be going now, but I'll go back on IRC when I get home. | 20:40 |
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