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| ghum | good afternoon | 16:55 |
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| dboddie_work | Hello | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | we're having a meeting this evening, right? | 17:19 |
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| pboddie | Looks like a meeting tonight: http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=mihekia37g35ic9e | 17:34 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: I'd forgotten about that! | 17:41 |
| lac_ | yes, meeting tonght | 18:22 |
| lac_ | pboddie: did you get my mail re amaze and the mail aliases? | 18:23 |
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| dboddie_work | Hi GiovanniBajo! | 19:18 |
| GiovanniBajo | hey hello David! | 19:21 |
| dboddie_work | I see your employer is involved with sponsoring PyCon Italia. | 19:25 |
| GiovanniBajo | ues | 19:26 |
| GiovanniBajo | yes | 19:26 |
| GiovanniBajo | we use python a lot | 19:26 |
| GiovanniBajo | and I'm deep into PyCon Italia organization... this is why I'm here | 19:26 |
| dboddie_work | Do you want to sponsor EuroPython as well? ;-) | 19:26 |
| GiovanniBajo | ehehe I can ask. I guess part of the problem is that we're not sure anybody will be able to come to the event | 19:27 |
| GiovanniBajo | what are the sponsorship levels? | 19:28 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22 put a document on the Python Wiki about that: http://wiki.python.org/moin/SponsorOffers | 19:30 |
| * dboddie_work has to update the Wiki... | 19:30 | |
| lac_ | Hi GiovanniBajo | 19:34 |
| GiovanniBajo | Hello | 19:34 |
| lac_ | I was talking to Fabio, and he was hoping that we could give some 'free entrance to Europython' as something to use as a reward for PyCon Italia | 19:35 |
| lac_ | We'll wait until the rest of the gang gets here, but I am personally fine with the idea. | 19:35 |
| GiovanniBajo | yes, we're collecting a few prizes from sponsors or other entities | 19:36 |
| GiovanniBajo | we were even planning some coding competition for a few of them :) | 19:36 |
| dboddie_work | Updated agenda: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting8 | 19:37 |
| dboddie_work | Please feel free to add things that I've forgotten. | 19:37 |
| * dboddie_work is very tired after working round the clock to meet a publishing deadline. | 19:38 | |
| GiovanniBajo | also by the way | 19:38 |
| GiovanniBajo | is there a bid system for EuroPython 2009? | 19:39 |
| GiovanniBajo | I believe that some fellow PyCon Italia organizers would be interested in hosting EuroPython in Italy next year | 19:39 |
| dboddie_work | It may be something to discuss after the meeting, unless there's a quick answer someone can give you now. | 19:40 |
| lac_ | GiovanniBajo: alas, you are too late to host EuroPython 2009. To get to host it, you need to | 19:43 |
| lac_ | volunteer for the year before, and by not arriving earlier, we ended up in a situation where | 19:43 |
| lac_ | John Pinner was the only proposed bid here. | 19:43 |
| lac_ | So now we are going to Birmingham in 2009. | 19:43 |
| GiovanniBajo | ah, too bad | 19:44 |
| GiovanniBajo | is it going to stay there for two years then? | 19:45 |
| lac_ | I am not sure, you will have to ask John what he wants to do. He should arrive here soon. | 19:45 |
| GiovanniBajo | when you say "the year before", what timespan you mean? | 19:46 |
| GiovanniBajo | or in other words, when will there be bids for EuroPython 2010? | 19:47 |
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| pboddie | I guess where EuroPython will be in 2010 depends on a lot of things. I don't know what John's plans are for PyCon UK and whether there will be two conferences in Birmingham next year, for example. Best for him to say. | 19:51 |
| GiovanniBajo | OK: in our case, we would have skipped the local conference | 19:53 |
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| pboddie | I can see potential in more cooperation between the Python conferences. Actually, between all Free Software conferences, too. It's becoming a crowded circuit. | 19:54 |
| dboddie_work | Have we begun yet? | 19:58 |
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| stedi67 | hello everybody | 19:58 |
| dboddie_work | stedi67: Hi | 19:59 |
| lac_ | hi all | 19:59 |
| dboddie_work | Reminder: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting8 | 19:59 |
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| lac_ | according to my clock, we should begin now. | 19:59 |
| lac_ | bang bang bang and let the meeting begin: | 20:00 |
| * dboddie_work updates the list of attendees | 20:00 | |
| lac_ | is Aiste really here, or is this a ghost? | 20:01 |
| dboddie_work | mgedmin might know. Marius, are you reading? | 20:02 |
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| lac_ | let us see. what is the news of the week. | 20:02 |
| lac_ | Dinu showed up with ideas for badges. | 20:02 |
| pinner | Good evening | 20:02 |
| lac_ | hi Dinu! | 20:02 |
| dinugherman | Hi all! | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | just a sec | 20:03 |
| lac_ | I haven't heard back from Guido re contact in Google for videoconferencing. | 20:03 |
| pboddie | I thought the badges looked good. Saves me from suggesting the Indico badge maker! ;-) | 20:03 |
| dinugherman | Har har... | 20:03 |
| lac_ | do we know the exact dimensions of the Oreilly badges? | 20:04 |
| pboddie | People should check it out, though. Ideas worth incorporating into other systems, I'm sure. | 20:04 |
| pinner | Yes, I have them but not with me | 20:04 |
| lac_ | because I propose we take them up on their offer of lanyards and holders | 20:04 |
| lac_ | ok, please stick that on the wiki someplace. | 20:05 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Are they the same as the ones used at PyCon UK? | 20:05 |
| pinner | dboddie_work:yes | 20:06 |
| lac_ | We can ask Josette, but I assume so. | 20:06 |
| dinugherman | Do we have sufficient ressources for printing that kind of stuff – bages, etc.? | 20:06 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Cool. I can re-use mine. | 20:06 |
| dboddie_work | dinugherman: I guess it depends on when/where they are printed. | 20:07 |
| * mgedmin back | 20:07 | |
| pinner | dboddie_work: I'm seeing Josette netx week and can confirm size then | 20:07 |
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| GHUM | Guten Abend .. .good Evening | 20:07 |
| pinner | print at the last possible moemnt, like the evening before | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | Aiste is still ghosting | 20:07 |
| lac_ | for printing -- last year we bought a colour Hp printer. We could use that again, though goodness it took a long time | 20:08 |
| lac_ | and I had to baby sit the thing when I would rather have been hanging out with attendees. | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | lac_: the Reval contact for the videoconf stuff is <kestutis.kazlauskas@revalhotels.com> | 20:08 |
| dinugherman | lac_: Does it print double-sided? ;-) | 20:08 |
| lac_ | I am open to the idea of getting them printed off site. | 20:08 |
| lac_ | no it does not. | 20:08 |
| lac_ | mgedmin: terrific, thank you. | 20:08 |
| pinner | preprint the colour logo, then print data black and white on site saves time | 20:08 |
| dinugherman | pinner: That's difficult for designs with more than a bit of colour. | 20:09 |
| pboddie | Offset printing seemed a bit heavy to me, unless the volumes to justify it are a lot lower than they used to be. | 20:10 |
| lac_ | This conversation is getting too technical for this meeting -- i.e. people like me can yap about printers all day and night | 20:10 |
| lac_ | which is a bit hard on the people who find it boring. :-) | 20:10 |
| lac_ | so I propose we find out how much it would cost to have it printed off site. | 20:10 |
| pinner | lac_: agreed let Dinu Richard and whoever sort it out | 20:11 |
| lac_ | what the vilnius equivalent of 'kinkos copies' is, I don't know, but hter has got to be something. | 20:11 |
| dboddie_work | The lead times should be fairly short for this, so it can be resolved later. | 20:11 |
| pinner | lac_: offsite is un-necessary I think | 20:11 |
| dboddie_work | lac_: I think this came up last year as well. | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | would it be possible to do the printing, say, a week in advance? | 20:12 |
| lac_ | yes, last year we decided it was more important to save money than to let me drink beer with attendees opening night. | 20:12 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Maybe we should just delegate this to our EuroPython Printing special interest group. :-) | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | so aiste wouldn't have to search for toner on a sunday night again | 20:12 |
| lac_ | this year I want a better solyution. :-) | 20:12 |
| pinner | mgedmin:then it will be out of date | 20:12 |
| dboddie_work | We can always do a few at the last minute. | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | pinner: unless you print 200 badges a week in advance and the remaining 5 the night before the conference | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | what are realistic numbers? | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | how many badge changes in the last week? | 20:13 |
| lac_ | 300 I think. | 20:13 |
| lac_ | last year 40 or so. | 20:13 |
| lac_ | (all new arrivals) | 20:13 |
| pinner | mgedmin: then they'll be out of order for registration | 20:13 |
| dboddie_work | The registration system should be able to cope with badges for the majority of people. The few who want to change things later can be catered for with something on-site. | 20:14 |
| lac_ | sticking 40 into a sorted list is not a problem. We have to pull some anyhow for the 'people we have payment problems with' box anyway. | 20:14 |
| pboddie | Come on everyone, use your knowledge of algorithms! :-) | 20:14 |
| pinner | so, badges delegated to the EP Badge SIG ? | 20:15 |
| lac_ | ok, moving right along ... | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | the badger brigade | 20:15 |
| lac_ | I have a request from PyCon Italia that we give them some free passes to EP to use for prizes. | 20:15 |
| jacob22 | The time consuming bit is to cut out the badges and put them in the holders. With a sane printer, you can just fill it with paper and let it chug along. | 20:16 |
| lac_ | Anybody opposed? | 20:16 |
| pinner | definition of some? | 20:16 |
| pboddie | It's good promotion. No opposition from me. | 20:16 |
| dinugherman | lac_: No. | 20:16 |
| * dboddie_work is in favour. Didn't we do the same thing for PyCon UK last year? | 20:16 | |
| GHUM | mese is in favour | 20:16 |
| stedi67 | don't know | 20:16 |
| dboddie_work | GiovanniBajo: How many are we talking about? | 20:17 |
| lac_ | GiovanniBajo: ok, how many is 'some'? Fabio wasn't precise. | 20:17 |
| pinner | PyCon UK donated an entry to the EP prizr draw, not the other way round | 20:17 |
| GHUM | 3 is some. 5 is some more. more then 5 is many | 20:17 |
| GiovanniBajo | Up to you to decide | 20:17 |
| pinner | I think 2 is enough | 20:17 |
| pinner | The more free passes. the more expensive for every one else | 20:18 |
| lac_ | Will 2 be ok with you? | 20:18 |
| GiovanniBajo | pinner: we can't donate an entry to EP prize draw because our conference is in May | 20:18 |
| GiovanniBajo | pinner: plus, there's the language barrier, etcc. | 20:18 |
| GiovanniBajo | lac_: perfectly fine, yes | 20:19 |
| lac_ | You could donate one for next years's conference | 20:19 |
| pinner | GiovanniBajo: understood | 20:19 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: I realised that, but I was just thinking of the trans-conference marketing angle. :-) | 20:19 |
| pboddie | Italy was well represented last year, so there may not be a need to donate large numbers of passes to encourage participation. | 20:19 |
| GiovanniBajo | pboddie: consider we're going to have 320 ppl this year at PyCon Italia | 20:19 |
| pinner | why don't all the Eu Python confs donate 2 passes to each other then? | 20:20 |
| pboddie | GiovanniBajo: A good turnout! | 20:20 |
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| lac_ | Great. Now, anything else you think we should/could do to help PyCon Italia ? I cannot think of anything. | 20:20 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Sounds like a nice gesture, at least. | 20:20 |
| GiovanniBajo | pinner: sounds like a good idea. We can donate 2 free passes to EP prize draw for PyCon Italia 2009. | 20:20 |
| lac_ | Besides tell people about it, which we would do anyway, | 20:20 |
| GiovanniBajo | lac_: do you have any kind of brochure/leafleets about EP? | 20:21 |
| GiovanniBajo | lac_: if you send us a PDF of that, we can print it and distribute among attendees | 20:21 |
| pboddie | I think people might be afraid that cross-promotion in advance might hurt attendance at their own conference. But I think it's a nice idea to do it anyway. | 20:21 |
| lac_ | Not ready yet, but we shojd have something ready by the beginning of May, | 20:21 |
| lac_ | The idea is to make happy people, not win some sort of 'I had more attendees than you did' record, | 20:22 |
| dboddie_work | Are we crossing over into (people) sponsorship? | 20:22 |
| GiovanniBajo | yes, I don't think there's any competition | 20:22 |
| pboddie | lac_: I know. Conferences should attract people on their own merit. But some people might still worry about it. | 20:22 |
| GiovanniBajo | I was naming the 320 figure to say that, IMO, Italy was not very well represented last year at EP, and the free passes and leafleets will encourage more people to come | 20:23 |
| lac_ | Have we finished this topic? move to another one? | 20:23 |
| pinner | lac_: please | 20:24 |
| lac_ | sponsoring people was suggested. | 20:24 |
| pboddie | Maybe no country was well represented. But Italy was #5 and although only just ahead of the Netherlands, there are other large countries which were very under-represented. | 20:24 |
| lac_ | 1. we just got our first request for funding. | 20:24 |
| lac_ | from a phd student in Russia. | 20:24 |
| dboddie_work | Do we have a system for allocating funds? | 20:24 |
| lac_ | In the past, I have collected all of them, and handed out funds until we ran out. | 20:25 |
| lac_ | It wasn't formal, but it worked well enough. | 20:25 |
| lac_ | my system was that people asking for less got better billing | 20:25 |
| pinner | lac_: if it's not broken, don't fix it | 20:25 |
| lac_ | and people travelling from far away got better billing. | 20:26 |
| dboddie_work | Sounds OK to me, as long as it's not too much work for you. | 20:26 |
| pboddie | Question is: are you happy with the system or should we be looking to make it easier/better for you and anyone else involved? | 20:26 |
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| lac_ | In the3 past, though not last year, some companies havr asked to pay for somebody from, say Twisted to come. | 20:26 |
| pboddie | This crosses over into visa issues, too. | 20:26 |
| lac_ | I am ok with the system. | 20:26 |
| * GHUM approves the system of sponsoring lac_ described | 20:26 | |
| lac_ | If somebody wants to take it over, though, its not as if I don't have other things to do. | 20:27 |
| pboddie | Details of such things are here: http://www.europython.org/community/Location | 20:27 |
| pboddie | And here: http://www.europython.org/community/Travel_Visas | 20:27 |
| lac_ | yes, the visa thing is a real pain for Aiste or somebody in Lithuania | 20:27 |
| pboddie | Other conferences seem to have request tracking systems for this kind of thing, but many have to handle a large, global audience. | 20:27 |
| lac_ | because you have to get a special invitation from the Lithuanian governemnt which requries standing in lines as in the old Soviet Union days | 20:28 |
| dboddie_work | So, are we publicising funding in certain countries or just letting people come and ask? | 20:28 |
| pinner | let them ask | 20:28 |
| GHUM | is there anything that could be done about that visa thin, lac_ ? | 20:29 |
| lac_ | dboddie_work: good question. Aiste was doing some outreach in eastern Europe and Russia. I do not know how that has gone. | 20:29 |
| lac_ | GHUM: I do not think so unless the Lithuanians elect a new governemnt. | 20:29 |
| lac_ | which is kind of out of scope for us. :-) | 20:29 |
| * pinner thinks we have enough to do organising the event without standing in government lines | 20:29 | |
| dboddie_work | OK, shall we move on? | 20:30 |
| lac_ | Then we tell the chinese to not come? | 20:30 |
| GHUM | esp. because bureaucracys tend to overlive governments | 20:30 |
| jacob22 | One think I'd like to do is to have the people we fund write a report from the conference. | 20:30 |
| lac_ | I am fine with this. | 20:30 |
| GHUM | lac_: isn't a visa available from the lithuantian embassy in china? I know that afghan and iran visas are available in the embassys in germany... | 20:31 |
| dboddie_work | If we could offload some of this onto sponsor companies, that would be good. | 20:31 |
| GHUM | (that is: the chinese could take care for their visa themselfs) | 20:31 |
| dboddie_work | It may be easier for, say, Google to get people into Lithuania than the EP society. | 20:31 |
| lac_ | GHUM: the lithuanians have their own special system. You need their government to write a special letter of invitation. I.e. I cannot just write one. | 20:31 |
| lac_ | No, it was so hopeless for Google to get people in, though I worked hard at it, that | 20:32 |
| lac_ | they decided to just not send people who needed visas. | 20:32 |
| dboddie_work | Shame we can't get the government to sponsor the conference. Looks like we're at a dead end here. | 20:32 |
| dinugherman | I'm trying to find an agenda for this meeting online... Does anybody have a pointer? Thanks! | 20:32 |
| dboddie_work | http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting8 | 20:32 |
| pboddie | So, is the advice given on the site not correct? | 20:32 |
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| lac_ | Google does not do bureacracy well. They just have lots of it for us to do. | 20:32 |
| jacob22 | lac_: This may have changed, since Lithuania is now a member of Schengen. We will see. | 20:32 |
| pboddie | My impression was that it was the applicants who stood in line, not the organisers. | 20:32 |
| lac_ | I need to talk with Aiste about that, but she is still on vacation, correct? | 20:33 |
| dboddie_work | Guess so. | 20:33 |
| lac_ | pboddie: it was Aiste who stood in line. I guarantee it. | 20:33 |
| pboddie | It's not nice to have to stand in line to get a visa, but that's usually the procedure the applicant has to do. | 20:33 |
| lac_ | the others may have had to as well. | 20:33 |
| pboddie | lac_: Weird. | 20:33 |
| dboddie_work | Shall we defer this until later and talk about things like registration? | 20:33 |
| * lac_ nods | 20:33 | |
| pboddie | And talk submissions! | 20:33 |
| dboddie_work | pinner always has to run. :-) | 20:33 |
| * lac_ nods | 20:33 | |
| dboddie_work | pboddie, pinner, zeth: Any progress on infrastructure? | 20:34 |
| pboddie | I propose that we just bundle up the themes we have and send out a call for proposals, subject to infrastructure. | 20:34 |
| pinner | look at regsi | 20:34 |
| pinner | http://registration.europython.eu | 20:35 |
| pinner | I've chosen my favourite logo ;) | 20:35 |
| * dboddie_work avoids the logo issue | 20:35 | |
| pinner | you can see the information I need from you (finance people) | 20:35 |
| dboddie_work | And how are we doing for talk submission setup? | 20:35 |
| * mgedmin resists from flaming about the wrong logo chosen | 20:36 | |
| pboddie | There was a request to the python.org mailman, was there not? | 20:36 |
| GHUM | Mese likes that shopping cart | 20:36 |
| lac_ | I would like the registration to have a link for 'volunteer to do something during the conference' | 20:36 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: who is doing this? samuele? | 20:36 |
| lac_ | button. With choices. | 20:37 |
| pinner | lac_: no problem | 20:37 |
| lac_ | I do not think that Samuele did this. I do not think he volunteered to do it, either. And I know I did not. | 20:37 |
| lac_ | I suppose we will read the logs to see if we just spaced selecting a person to ask, last week. | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | pinner: why is "county" required? | 20:38 |
| pinner | mgedmin: because I haven't set up the cart fully yet | 20:38 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: I suggested a mailing list to be set up, but I guess we're waiting for the mailman. | 20:38 |
| pinner | lac_: I have Alex Wilmer (moreati) with me. He will do the talk submission thing if he has help | 20:39 |
| lac_ | I am going to Japan on the 2nd for 3 weeks. I cannot commit to helping much. | 20:39 |
| dboddie_work | I'm assuming that Alex and friends can work on a system in parallel with the mailing list just collecting submissions. | 20:39 |
| lac_ | I have no idea what my connectivity will be like, and besides, its a vacation. | 20:40 |
| pboddie | There was some mention of a mailing list: europython-submissions@python.org, I believe. | 20:40 |
| dboddie_work | Then the program committee people can just work through the list archives. | 20:40 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: seems reasonable | 20:40 |
| lac_ | yes, apparantly we forgot to get a volunteer to ask for the list. | 20:40 |
| dboddie_work | No, I think pboddie/pinner/zeth asked for a list. | 20:40 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: ? | 20:41 |
| pboddie | If you all want, I'll ask nicely, but I think someone said they'd talk to Barry Warsaw. | 20:41 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: not me | 20:41 |
| dboddie_work | [Fri Mar 21 2008] [19:33:21] <pinner> lac: OK, I asked Barry Warsaw | 20:41 |
| pboddie | We can ask for a private mailing list and just moderate posts and membership to it, I suppose. | 20:42 |
| pboddie | Well, I'll do it if it hasn't been done. Didn't want to ask if someone else had. Are we happy with europython-submissions or would europython-talks be better? | 20:42 |
| lac_ | pboddie: sounds like a plan, and I think that I was talking about how I got a list in the past. Not that I was asking this time. | 20:43 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: that was a ref to what happened at PyCon UK | 20:43 |
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| pboddie | I think it was just people talking past each other. I'll send a mail, then. | 20:43 |
| lac_ | Ok, sorry for the confusion. | 20:43 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: Ah, that makes sense. I wasn't calling you out, there, just happened to see "Warsaw". | 20:43 |
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| dboddie_work | pboddie: I think -talks is better. | 20:44 |
| pboddie | OK. Once we have the list, can we then send out a call for proposals. See here for a draft: http://www.europython.org/community/Planning/CallForParticipationDraft | 20:44 |
| * pinner says that moreati is happy to use a submissions mailing list, and will populate the 'system' from this | 20:44 | |
| dboddie_work | Cool. | 20:44 |
| dboddie_work | Other items? | 20:46 |
| pboddie | I think we had some feedback on themes, talks and tutorials, although not much. | 20:46 |
| dinugherman | I wonder if we can have more detailed pages than the "Roles" one, in a GTD fashion, online? | 20:46 |
| pboddie | So I suggest going with the themes collected so far. | 20:46 |
| pinner | when can we have decisions on attendance fee, etc, for the registration? | 20:46 |
| lac_ | I haven't heard back from the peopel I asked about refereed papers -- the people who submitted last year, but since | 20:47 |
| pboddie | dinugherman: It was my intention to merge the roles pages. Is that the sort of thing you had in mind? | 20:47 |
| lac_ | I only asked them yesterday, that's only reasonable. | 20:47 |
| dinugherman | GTD meaning "getting things done"... | 20:47 |
| dinugherman | on the phone now... | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | reading the GTD book is on my todo list for a couple of years now... | 20:48 |
| pboddie | mgedmin: Just do it already! ;-) | 20:48 |
| pboddie | mgedmin: GGTDD | 20:49 |
| dboddie_work | mgedmin: Get it on tape! | 20:49 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: I think we're waiting until next week for more concrete numbers. :-( | 20:49 |
| pboddie | pinner: There was the usual talk of fees being prohibitive for some people, but then the usual argument about travel and accommodation being more significant came up. | 20:50 |
| pboddie | So I don't know what to say other than to follow the budget projections. I guess that's Aiste's department. | 20:50 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: if you can give me some more realistic figures, that will do for now | 20:51 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: pboddie has better access to this kind of information. | 20:51 |
| pinner | dboddie_work: and I won't be around next week (ACCU) | 20:51 |
| * dboddie_work shudders - ACCU | 20:51 | |
| dboddie_work | Any news on sponsorship? | 20:51 |
| dboddie_work | (companies, not people) | 20:52 |
| pinner | I've had no reply from my Nokia (US) contact, very disappointing | 20:52 |
| jacob22 | I'd like to have an ok on the rates from this meeting before going public with sponsorships. | 20:52 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: What's next with the sponsorship brochure? | 20:53 |
| pboddie | As always, some figures here: http://www.europython.org/community/Planning/Projections | 20:53 |
| pinner | jacob22: what are your proposed rates | 20:53 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: http://wiki.python.org/moin/SponsorOffers | 20:53 |
| pboddie | I can dig in Indico for rough fee information, but others should have better information than I have. | 20:53 |
| jacob22 | dboddie_work: Packing it up in a PDF form and distributing it. I'd like a logo though... | 20:54 |
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| dboddie_work | OK, everyone. Vote for your favourite logo: http://www.europython.org/community/Planning/ProposedLogo | 20:54 |
| pboddie | On the logo front, Zeth did let me onto the server to get voting up and running - which you all probably read about ;-) - and I imagine that we can soon stop counting and call a winner. | 20:54 |
| GiovanniBajo | we have an hard time with Nokia too (wrt sponsorships) | 20:55 |
| dboddie_work | GiovanniBajo: I think they all change jobs every so often, so that can't make things any easier. | 20:55 |
| pboddie | I guess I can announce the logo voting more widely now that the guinea pigs have been encouraged to try it out. ;-) | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | dboddie_work: what, vote *again*? | 20:55 |
| pinner | jacob22: +1 on the rates, but why limit the numbers? | 20:55 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Post a reminder to the blog and mailing lists. | 20:55 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Nokian Musical Chairs? :-) | 20:55 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: I'll post to europython-announce and comp.lang.python. | 20:56 |
| GiovanniBajo | I suggest you try with Samsung too, they have mobiles with Symbian and they whine because developers don't know about it | 20:56 |
| * dboddie_work restrains himself from making a comment about elections in Lithuania. | 20:56 | |
| dboddie_work | mgedmin: I'm sure your politicians are more honest than the ones in the UK. :-) | 20:56 |
| lac_ | when is the 'vote for logo' time ended? | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | somehow I doubt that | 20:56 |
| pinner | lac_: two weeks ago? | 20:57 |
| pboddie | lac_: We left it vague. "Vote soon!" is all I wrote. | 20:57 |
| lac_ | then we need to say a 'time is up in 3 days' note and then decide by what is there. | 20:57 |
| pboddie | pinner: No, that was the submissions deadline, but I was nice to that guy who posted some later than that. | 20:57 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: End of the month? | 20:57 |
| pboddie | lac_: Agreed. I'll mention a deadline in the final announcement. | 20:57 |
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| lac_ | by April 1, yes. | 20:57 |
| pboddie | It's not as if anyone has to do anything strenuous. | 20:58 |
| * pinner agrres oin end of the month (Monday) | 20:58 | |
| lac_ | jaconb needs the logo for the sponsorship stuff | 20:58 |
| pboddie | Personally, I think the logo issue has been a distraction, although it did get people to stir. | 20:58 |
| pinner | regebro's logo is the best, I vote that it must have the highest votes | 20:58 |
| lac_ | ok, what do we have left to do? can we get out of here by 8.00 -- our stated goal, which we never quite make? | 20:58 |
| dboddie_work | Hold on, just editing the minutes. | 20:59 |
| pboddie | I guess the payment system issue is in progress. | 20:59 |
| lac_ | pinner: you get to be dictator next year. :-) | 20:59 |
| stedi67 | if anybody needs my help with something, it might be the right time to speak now :-) | 20:59 |
| dinugherman | back again, catching up... | 20:59 |
| lac_ | I need somebody to hold a doodle for next weeks meeting | 20:59 |
| pinner | #lac_: I need the PayPal admin info from you, off list | 20:59 |
| dboddie_work | stedi67: python.org mailing lists? | 20:59 |
| stedi67 | what needs to be done? | 21:00 |
| lac_ | next week's meeting shoudl be at 1800 CET because Aiste will be back and 19.00 is too late for her. | 21:00 |
| pboddie | stedi67: Your time may come as a reviewer, maybe. | 21:00 |
| dboddie_work | stedi67: A new list. | 21:00 |
| jacob22 | pinner: The space available limits how many booths we can have. For food sponsors, there are only so many slots. | 21:00 |
| lac_ | pinner: I do not have it, You have to ask dario for it | 21:00 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: I was going to request the submissions list. | 21:00 |
| dboddie_work | lac_: Fine by me. Shall I start another doodle? | 21:00 |
| lac_ | he was supposed to give it to me but hasnät yet | 21:00 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: OK. | 21:01 |
| * dboddie_work starts another doodle. | 21:01 | |
| lac_ | dboddie_work: thank you. I will try to make the meeting but I promise nothing. | 21:01 |
| pboddie | stedi67: dboddie_work was confused about the python.org lists. My remark about reviewing talks remains, however. Would that be interesting? | 21:01 |
| lac_ | jacob22 will be with me, so you will probably get both of us or neither. | 21:01 |
| stedi67 | reviewing talks would be fine indeed | 21:01 |
| pboddie | stedi67: Currently, we're somewhat deadlocked. We need to publicise talk submissions and registrations, but are not quite ready to go on either. | 21:02 |
| lac_ | arigato: we havn't really decided what to do with the refereed paper track. It's sort of late to be asking for refereed papers. | 21:03 |
| pboddie | stedi67: But I think talk submissions will be ready fairly soon, and then there may be things to do around that. | 21:03 |
| lac_ | arigato: do you want to run things again this year, or would skipping it this year be ok with you? | 21:03 |
| arigato | lac_: I'm fine with dropping the track altogether | 21:03 |
| stedi67 | pboddie: that's fine. I just wanted to say that I'm here if there's need for help | 21:03 |
| pboddie | Given that we're opening for submissions a bit later, I guess we should extend the deadline slightly. Agreed? | 21:03 |
| pboddie | stedi67: Appreciate it! | 21:04 |
| lac_ | ok, I propose we do this, regreatfully, this year, and work on being better next year. | 21:04 |
| lac_ | Ok, anything more that needs discussing? | 21:04 |
| dboddie_work | http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=x8hv9mh9ig94phmn | 21:04 |
| dboddie_work | Sign up for next time! | 21:04 |
| pboddie | Keynote discussions on the list, still, perhaps? | 21:04 |
| pboddie | pinner: Was the survey data suitably crunched from last year yet? | 21:05 |
| lac_ | ah. I have contacted Tufte's organisation but no reply on whether he would be interested in doing a keynote and tutorials. | 21:05 |
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| lac_ | I will keep holding my thumbs, but it is still a longshot. | 21:05 |
| dinugherman | A final note on GTD: Read http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Things-Done-Stress-Free-Productivity/dp/0142000280 It does miracles! | 21:06 |
| pinner | pboddie:sorry, we've had illness here and there's not been the time | 21:06 |
| lac_ | Do you all know about gapminder? | 21:06 |
| dboddie | GiovanniBajo: I need to log in to do off-list chat. Please wait. :-) | 21:06 |
| pboddie | pinner: No problem! | 21:06 |
| GiovanniBajo | dboddie: ok :) | 21:07 |
| lac_ | maybe Hans Rosling would be good to ask. for a keynote? | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | lac_: ooh! | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | his TED talk was *excellent* | 21:07 |
| pboddie | The whole TED stuff seems quite visionary. | 21:07 |
| stedi67 | lac_: +1 | 21:07 |
| lac_ | he has a second ted talk now. | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | that's probably the one I saw | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | I should dig out the first one | 21:08 |
| lac_ | Ok, I will see about getting him then. Another longer shot, given the shortness of time, but worth trying. | 21:08 |
| lac_ | Actually, i would like to volunteer asking to somebody whose written Swedish is better than mine. | 21:09 |
| * lac_ looks significantly at regebro|laundry and jacob22 | 21:09 | |
| pinner | laundry? | 21:10 |
| lac_ | regenro is doing laundry now, it seems. | 21:10 |
| lac_ | But he still writes Swedish better than I do. | 21:10 |
| lac_ | regebro | 21:10 |
| lac_ | However, can we call it a night or does anybody else have ideas? | 21:11 |
| lac_ | ok BANG BANG BANG and I declare this meeting closed. | 21:12 |
| pboddie | No, I think we could promote the conference amongst the Openmoko people, but that's really just for talks. | 21:12 |
| lac_ | Thank you all very much. | 21:12 |
| pboddie | And I already said that. | 21:12 |
| GiovanniBajo | BTW: we would welcome you at PyCon Italia. We will have real-time translations for non-Italian speakers (and our call for paper is still open!) | 21:12 |
| lac_ | :-) | 21:12 |
| lac_ | thank you GiovanniBajo | 21:12 |
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| pinner | good night everyone | 21:13 |
| david_boddie | pinner: See you | 21:13 |
| dinugherman | Bye! | 21:13 |
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| stedi67 | good night everybody | 21:13 |
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| GiovanniBajo | contacing openmoko people seem a good idea... | 21:14 |
| dboddie_work | GiovanniBajo: Do you know any openmoko people? | 21:14 |
| GiovanniBajo | no I don't | 21:15 |
| pboddie | Yes, I think there's a lot of overlap. Very interesting stuff! | 21:15 |
| lac_ | pboddie: did you get my mail about amaze? | 21:15 |
| pboddie | lac_: Haven't checked my private mail recently, sorry! | 21:15 |
| pboddie | lac_: The EuroPython infrastructure is a bit too decentralised, if you know what I mean. Makes lots of things too tiresome to deal with. | 21:16 |
| GHUM | gn8! | 21:18 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: We should buy our own server. I think we can host it at Open End. | 21:19 |
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| pboddie | I think the DNS is the big deal, really. | 21:19 |
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| jacob22 | pboddie: What about it? | 21:19 |
| pboddie | It should be controlled by a central EuroPython person. Such stuff is very easy to maintain these days if one has access to the provider. Otherwise it's just time-consuming. | 21:20 |
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| pboddie | In terms of Web serving, John and Zeth have been very accommodating, so I'm not going to complain about that. | 21:21 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: Agreed. Again, we could do this from Open End. We are already running a few domains. | 21:21 |
| pboddie | I think Laura shares my opinion on this, so I'm sure she can fill you in on the current thinking. | 21:22 |
| pboddie | I've jumped onto non-trivial Internet hosting quite late in the game, but it's frustrating to not have control over the infrastructure stack. | 21:23 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: Absolutely agreed. I moved a domain to my own control last week, and feel so much better for it. | 21:25 |
| dboddie_work | If I've missed anything in the minutes, feel free to edit them. I'm not focused enough to extract the action points at the moment. | 21:25 |
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| regebro | lac_: I could probably as Hans Rosling, yes. | 21:27 |
| jacob22 | regebro: You know him? | 21:27 |
| pboddie | lac_: I'll try and talk to Amaze again. I never get any response, though. | 21:27 |
| regebro | jacob22: Nope. | 21:27 |
| regebro | (I might now somebody who does though, I'll check that first) | 21:27 |
| lac_ | I just think that asking him in Swedish may work better than asking him in English, and I know who writes Swedish better than I do. | 21:28 |
| lac_ | pboddie: I want to know what aliases we have at amaze that are those unarchived mail to certian people list. | 21:30 |
| regebro | lac_: I don't know how keynote stuff usually work. I assume we pay flight and hotel, right? | 21:30 |
| lac_ | then I want to get rid of all of them. Either make things nbounce or forward to ep-improve. | 21:30 |
| lac_ | regebro yes, and he is free to attend the conference to if he likes. | 21:31 |
| pboddie | I think the sponsorship was the only special one. I remember mwh setting it up. | 21:31 |
| lac_ | conference dinner, the whole thing. | 21:31 |
| regebro | right | 21:31 |
| lac_ | I know that we have 2 sponsor things, one for people wanting and one for companies. | 21:31 |
| pboddie | lac_: What about confidential stuff? | 21:31 |
| pboddie | lac_: And I agree that we should distinguish between sponsoring and being sponsored. | 21:32 |
| jacob22 | I wonder if our old login at amaze would work. I might have the details saved somewhere. | 21:32 |
| pboddie | jacob22: Is it a shell login? | 21:32 |
| lac_ | I want confidential stuff in a mailman archive that isn't accessible to any but either the list members or the list maintainers | 21:32 |
| lac_ | or some such. | 21:32 |
| pboddie | So perhaps we should get a private mailing list for that? | 21:32 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: Yes. | 21:33 |
| lac_ | I think that would be best, yes, and I would just as soon not bother python.org for it. Since we have the ep domain can we use that? | 21:33 |
| pboddie | So far, we have to go through the domain owner to reconfigure the mail records, though. <sigh> | 21:34 |
| lac_ | another reason to want to own your own infrastructure. | 21:34 |
| pboddie | I don't have a problem with using python.org for this. They're already set up for mailing lists and lots of groups have theirs on there. | 21:34 |
| lac_ | but I badly ned to know what aliases there are out there, because I think there are at least 2, and you think one, so best to find out for sure. | 21:35 |
| lac_ | ok, you can ask there, I just htought we were getting greedy with the lists we have. | 21:35 |
| lac_ | and, of course, this is another 'we need to ask permission' moment. I am a bit tired of them. | 21:36 |
| pboddie | Yes. Perhaps it's time for the society to make an offer for the domain. | 21:37 |
| pboddie | That could be the last time anyone has to ask anyone else for anything again. | 21:37 |
| jacob22 | Hopefully they would hand it over for a symbolic sum. | 21:40 |
| pboddie | I think all the Python conferences could cooperate on such stuff more effectively. | 21:56 |
| pboddie | Anyway, have to go. See you all later! | 22:04 |
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| dboddie_work | Yes, see you all later. | 22:05 |
| GiovanniBajo | I'm leaving | 22:06 |
| GiovanniBajo | bye guys! | 22:06 |
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